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80% of British Law Made by European Union
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Daily Mail
June 9, 2008
Amid the silly soap opera that now passes for British politics, in which we are supposed to care more about hairstyles and mannerisms than about the country, there was one moment last week when a decent man said something important. The brief flash of truth shone out like a gold coin on a dunghill.
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The man was Peter Lilley, older and wiser than when he used to sing daft songs to Tory conferences. Mr Lilley looks to me as if, like several others, he is trapped in the Unconservative Party and would blossom like an irrigated desert if only he could escape from it.
Because what he said was important, there have been far too few reports of it. Hansard for Tuesday, June 3, at 3.35pm, will give you the details, if you want them.
But his clear, hard message was that 80 per cent of our laws are now made in Brussels, and Parliament has no power to reject or amend them.
If you wonder why our Post Offices are all closing, it’s thanks to an EU directive. So is the increasingly hated Data Protection Act. So are Home Improvement Packs and fortnightly bin collections.
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June 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am
The E.U has not signed it’s books off for 11 years… so they can buy the politicians silence… but the people are beginning to WAKE UP… WAKE UP… FIGHT THE LISBON-TREATY IRELAND… SAVE YOUR SELF AND THE UK… GOD BLESS THE IRISH REBEL…
NOW WE IN THE UK ARE BLEEDING… PLEADING FOR YOUR HELP… TO END THIS TOTALITARIAN-STATE…
LETS WORK TOGETHER… FREEDOM FIGHTERS… TRUTH-SEEKERS UNITE… DEATH TO THE N.W.O…
http://www.youtube.com/user/NoToTheLisbonTreaty
June 9th, 2008 at 9:17 am
wow that’s shocking!!
I knew it was bad but not that bad!!
June 9th, 2008 at 10:12 am
it’s very bad
June 9th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I’m not surprised. Ex-president of Germany told exactly the same about German legal system. Basically, all countries which have been in the EU long enough do not have their own legal systems anymore. The majority of what’s left up to them is trivia…
June 9th, 2008 at 10:39 am
We are starting to wake up here UKIP is now the 4th largest political party in the UK & are running seminars around the country during their presentation they show a DVD which condemns the NWO Its a start!
KEEP ON FIGHTING YALL IT’S NOT OVER YET!
June 9th, 2008 at 10:41 am
For all European Union citizens “End of Nations-EU Take over. Lisbon treaty” is an extremely important documentary.An absulute must see!!!
DO YOU ALL REALIZE THAT EUROPEAN CITIZENS ARE SOON TO BE RULED BY SECRET(!!!) AND UNELECTED(!!) “LEADERS” ??????
And that the people that are elected dont even have the right to even make a proposal for a new law or a law change ?!!!
And that these”rulers” themselves will decide where the limits of their powers will be?????!!!!!!!
Go and have a look cause IT IS MUCH MUCH, M-U-C-H WORSE AS YOU THINK!!
http://video.google.nl/videopl.....jQKCw4S_DA
June 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
All hail the European Super State. We are succeeding where Hitler failed, man you gotta love the balls on these impotent bastards. Please Ireland, VOTE NO on the E.U. Constitution / Lisbon Treaty, at least your government has given you the chance to refuse it.
June 9th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
http://video.google.com/videop.....&hl=en
June 10th, 2008 at 4:26 am
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!…….as if Ireland got to vote….i aint even old enough to vote but i know what i want…..this is complete and utter bulls hit……
June 10th, 2008 at 4:27 am
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!…….as if Ireland got to vote….i aint even old enough to vote but i know what i want…..this is complete and utter bulls hit……GO TO HELL GORDON BROWN!!!!
June 10th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Poles also wanted to get a chance to vote, but the campaign was ignored and there wasn’t even any appropriate debate. Just shows how people are dumbed down, apathetic and don’t give a toss about their lives. Perfect working environment for the devil and all the scum of this world…
June 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Anyone who has an open heart tired of fear and pain
wants to elevate their consciousness
to the level that these benevolent beings who have been with us through history (angels) help mankind achieve his potential,
Come and be WE (Wayshowers enlightened)
All is one we collectivley create our reality through impulses in our brain.
They (illuminati) create the conditions in your brain which cause you to manifest fear into our world.
GOLDRING . WETPAINT . COM
Awakening consciousness for 2012
June 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
My better half suggests we move to South Korea. At least there, the Govt. HAVE to listen to thousands on the streets protesting about the import of 30month old US Beef. Nice to see Democracy being properly exercised! (Although there’s much work to be done – it’s a big deal).
The majority of Brits simply can’t be asked, damn it.
This wee snippet just brought me a little closer to exiting not only England but the EU altogether (at least the trilateral commission won’t unite the orient for some time in their quest for a three headed beast) as I pump a quick vote in for UKIP in the vain hope of a reversal of our country’s spiral into chaos.
You know, it seems to make absolutely no difference if one speaks about all the crap going on! No one listens. It’s too painful and they’re all ‘head in the sand’ with apathy. Makes me sick.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
All the european nations should consider anarchy at this moment, this behemouth E.U. is nothing more than a sham on its nation states. Shut brissels down now or you will no longer have any freedoms left.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
from Hansard:
3 Jun 2008:Column 644 – Members of Parliament (Pay and Responsibilities)
“The German Government estimate that more than 80 per cent of German laws are now decided at a European level.”
Not far off that for us but the Mail should get their facts right.
I hope the Irish do us all a BIG favour!
June 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
WTF?! I have studied law and I had NO idea how bad this really was. I knew the EU was a scummy piece of shit trying to take over, and knew they were already well on the way….but it’s worse than this. it’s already here.
Can you imagine the government really trying to oppress the british ? bring it on.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
A message to any Irish people that wander to this Blog :
My topic might seem ludicrous and off the wall to some people, but we are living in ludicrous times. Anyone who actually believes that the EU is a democratic body set up by considerate and democratically minded individuals who have the best interests of the common man in mind are seriously disillusioned or in denial.
The EU was formulated and put in place by three groups , The Trilateral Commission ,Bilderberg and The Club of Rome. Many people here will not have heard of any of these groups and theres a dam good reason why you haven’t, Take for instance Bilderberg this week , in attendance you have some of the top media Moguls and CEO s of media groups from around the world , these guys are there to get there pat on the back for making sure the vast majority of the world doesn’t even know these groups exist and they do a dam good job at it. Bilderberg this year received zero coverage from any national or international newspaper,the attendance list reads as the whos who of world power brokers, tycoons, Politicians and Moguls and not one news paper on earth ran an article on it? you dont have to be a conspiracy theorist so see something wrong there.
Now sitting at the top table this year in Bilderberg you have Baron Rothschild, Henry Kissenger , David Rockafeller a representative of the Vatican and a number of European Royalty , these are the kingpins behind the EU , these are the big boys who pull the strings. your commissioners and your future president will be hand picked by these , the same as in the US where we saw M’Cain over groveling in front of lord Rothchild and Obama getting endorsements from David Rockefeller, these are the richest and most powerful people on the planet, not only powerful but untouchable, governments grovel before them why? because the control about 70% of all the money on the planet directly or indirectly. How did they get so rich? through criminal activity.
The Rockefeller’s did so by hijacking the US Banking system and setting up the Federal Reserve Bank, and then by creating artificial recessions and buying up corporations and banks that went bankrupt as a result. this recession was no different as we saw Morgan Stanly buy up Bear Stearns, the Morgans being one of the original founding members of the US Federal Reserve Bank,business as as usual for these people. Since the turn of the century over 2000 banks have gone bankrupt in the US alone, all during artificially created recessions set in place by the Federal Reserve who are a group of world bankers and have no over site from any democratic institution. All these banks without exception were bought up by banks directly under control or affiliated with bankers who run the Federal reserve, the greatest bank robbery in the history of the world.
The Rothschilds got there money by a fraud which consisted of them releasing miss information to the londan stock exchange that Napolien had won the battle of Waterloo and forcing the entire British stock market to crash, which they then bought up for pennies on the pound, the next day when the news broke through that wellington had won and not Napolien stocks soared making them the richest family on earth. wealth they still control to this day.We all know where the Vatican got its money theres no secret there, the Vatican remains one of the richest entity’s on earth and the money isn’t sitting around in vaults under St Pauls ,Its all invested and they control shares in some of the leading company’s on the world market, European Royal family’s obtained wealth from raping and pillaging most of the new world ,Bottom line these people are in control of the Great Democracy that you call the EU and they are some of the most Ruthless crimanals the world has ever known.
If you read the memoirs of these people and books and quotes you get a sense of the way they think David Rockafeller for instance is a long time promoter of China he has openly applauded China for its one child policy and its system of governance as have the Rothschilds . The Vatican and The royal houses of Europe Were founded on and ruled Europe by Imperialism and Feudalism, Dont think for one second that because we live in a modern age that these people think any differently. These people have always and will always treat democracy with contempt.they have a single goal and that goal is to rule this earth under a single Government that they control.
A large part of the Lisbon treaty is geared towards militarization, some national military budgets will be increased by up to 80% as a result, ever wonder who makes this military hardware? the Rockefeller’s and the Rothchilds have major share holdings in just about every military corporation on earth they are the international military industrial complex to put it mildly, But wheres the money coming from for this military expansion ? yes you guessed it , from European taxpayers, Still think the EU is being set up for the good of the common man? Shares in these companys will sky rocket after the treaty is signed adding billions to there personal fortunes, Nothing new here though these people have funded both sides of every war for the last 200 years.even funding Hitler in WW2 and bankrolling military hardware in Russia juring the cold war as well as NATO.
That Dream is now close to completion,the EU is in place, the joining of the USA , Canada and Mexico into a north American Union is well underway , and this week we have the Australian prime minister in the media openly proposing an Asian union.When in place the three points of the TRILATERAL Commission will be complete,for those of you who ever wondered what TRI- lateral really stands for.Bear in mind that people 30 or 40 years ago who accused the global king pins of trying to create a European federal state were branded nut cases and tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.
BUT BY TOMORROW NIGHT WE WILL PROBABLY BE PART OF ONE.
The EU was set up by the global elite for the global elite to further there ambitions and make there dreams a reality.When asked about the future of mankind Albert Einstein once said ” Mindless optimism and and his inability to to learn from history
will be the downfall of mankind ” . every imperial system on earth has crumbled and imploded without exception, and yet we have fools who think this one will be different .Take your heads out of the sand people.
What ive said here will no doubt be ridiculed by the brainless trolls that scower these forums, who take there retarded view of global politics from a half dozen tabloid news papers and the six one news. But i guarantee that millions of Future generations would give all they own to have a chance to come back and tick NO on the piece of paper that will be presented to you all tomorrow.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:23 am
Even if the Irish vote ‘No’, the bulk of the Lisbon treaty will be implemented anyway, since it is mostly to do with changes in procedure with regard to existing treaties, which will simply remain as the basis for EU administration, instead of being more effectively condensed.
Each EU member-state, such as the UK and Germany, interpret EU directives and ECJ rulings in a manner which is of benefit to the national government. This is not the same thing as what is a benefit to the citizen of a member-state, of course. Even so, an EU citizen simply has to ask: is he/she better off because of the EU. In most cases this is Yes, as Ireland’s circumstances in comparison to barely more than 20 years ago clearly demonstrates. 20 years ago, Ireland could not retain any skilled or post-college level labour. They all emigrated as quickly as possble.
Over time, and with improved accountability and a more defined purpose for the EU and its member-states, the Yes will be more obvious. UKIP are simply another ultra-nationalist party.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:45 am
I’m not even a massive hater of some ideas of relationships between European countries, but it makes me damn angry that we handed them a bunch of power without allowing the public to vote on it. I guess they know that the public in England doesn’t support such big moves into Europe, so they have to cheat, and claim a technicality when they flip flop and deny us a referendum even though it was promised in their campaign manifesto.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:51 am
England was promised a referendum on a Constitution, not a treaty. Some claim that the Lisbon treaty is a Constitution masquerading as a treaty because the content is significantly enough similar. Whilst this is true, a treaty does not have the same legal authority as a Constitution. In practice, this distinction may be moot.
However, Englanders need not fear a wave of Hessian mercenaries sweeping across Romney marsh to interfere with their way of life. Nor is it likely that the residents of Reinhardtsdorf-Schöna will be living in fear of interference from the peoples of Tower Hamlets, some of whom prefer a line of crack-cocaine to a Eurostar ticket from London St Pancras. In other words, disparate groups tend to stick to their own territories, and will not be forced to do otherwise.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
ERIN GO BRAGH!!!!!!!!!!! IRELAND LIVES FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
SLAINTE!
June 14th, 2008 at 5:18 am
The problem for Ireland is that it now gets to contribute to the costs of EU inefficiency with regard to the new entrants, etc.
June 14th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Brown has his enabling act waiting in the wings in the form of the civil contingencies bill, all it takes is one atrocity, only this time Brown, Please make sure the 7:40 is actually running this time IDIOT !!!!
That cancellation blew your Pre prepared black ops cover story right out of the water last time.
June 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
The plan of mine Fuhrer has nearly come to fruition.
Our servant Oswald Mosley, and the Club of Rome
has served the Fatherland well.
Soon the German Central bank will controll all the
moneys of the European Serfdom, and you slaves
in the Great Britain Kingdom, will have to come
and grovel before the might of the 4th Reich.
Poor fools, you thought that you won the War.
Ha haha ha !
June 17th, 2008 at 3:57 am
The problem with EU directives in the UK is that the UK implement EU directives in ways which cause the problems, so that the EU can be blamed for the consequences, etc.
Ireland Germany and France, for instance, do not have the same problems with EU directives that the UK has, which means that an EU directive is not a uniform legal instrument.
June 18th, 2008 at 12:38 am
charles smyth you suck ! now that i’ve got that off my chest please allow me to educate you . you are clearly missing the point .you see , as i understand it , and please feel free to tell me where i’m wrong , the power to govern is owned by the British people . after an election , which involves the British people voting for the people they would like to serve them as political leaders , the power to govern is loaned to the legally elected government for the duration of their term of office . at the end of their term of office , the power to govern must be relinquished by the government and returned intact to the British people , who will then hold another election to determine who will borrow the power to govern for the next term of office . because the power to govern is borrowed from the British people and not owned by any legally elected government , they have neither the legal nor the moral right to ‘give’ any power to govern to any person , country or entity of any description other than the British people without first asking the British people if , actually , they would be ok with that . the logical conclusion is that any law , policy or regulation handed down from any person , country or entity of any description other than the legally elected British government , without the consent of the British people , is null and void and MUST be ignored by any patriotic citizen of the sovereign British nation . are you keeping up here charles smyth ? the only way you can get around this would be side stepping democratic process and , indeed , the very heart of the concept of democracy . oh, and by the way , they can poke their i.d. cards where the sun don’t shine too .
June 18th, 2008 at 12:44 am
oops ! i forgot . God bless the Irish forever . it may not have solved the problem but it’s a bloody good start .
June 18th, 2008 at 4:19 am
#maxx fennig:
This is all fine and I do follow your myopic argument. However, your arguments are based on the false premise that democracy has virtue within the context of a disparate electorate and you have possibly not considered that democracy is a process which always runs in deficit vis-à-vis others’ rights in a free society, no matter how large the majority. In practice, the UK currently runs on a legitimate majority of 38% of the electorate. Wow!
As you allude to, the government is a mandated monopoly in lieu of private alternatives for the provision of security and law and justice, for a fixed term. As per the EU, including the rights of the individual, the proper question to ask is: Am [I] better off within or without the EU. Other arguments about democracy and how a mandated monopoly is implemented at Brussels and/or member-state level across the EU are a superfluous distraction, to me, at any rate. John Lennon said it quite well: Imagine there’s no countries…
What would nationalists like you do then?
June 18th, 2008 at 6:25 am
charles smyth . firstly , i feel the need to offer you an apology . when i first read your posts on this thread i imagined that you were an ignorant , relatively inarticulate , globalist moron with no regard for the national sovereignty of nations or , indeed , the national sovereignty of the people of those nations . clearly you are far more articulate than i , you are probably more academically qualified than i and you may or may not be more informed on the issue of Britains membership or non membership the E.U. however , i still think you are a globalist moron with no regard for the national sovereignty of nations or , indeed , the national sovereignty of the people of those nations . you are quite right . john lennon did say it quite well : imagine there’s no countries . i did . i didn’t like what i saw . finally , i put your question to you . what would nationalists like me do ? here’s an idea . let’s have a referendum .
June 18th, 2008 at 9:10 am
#maxx fennig: I do study this EU stuff quite a lot for academic purposes so have a different perspective to some. I also study Austrian economics, so also have a perspective beyond Bilderberg and the NWO.
The nation-state is a European contrivance long past its sell-by-date, and which is also causing catastrophic problems for Africa, for example. My preference is to live in a [State of Confidence] as opposed to a state of oppressive authority as it relates to the soundness of money, a uniformity of sound law and justice, and where I have security in the right to my property and the capital value of my property without democracy and its outcomes vis-à-vis society dictating otherwise.
This seems like a good thing to me, and makes sense from a global perspective, too.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am
and this is what we got coming down the pipeline fellas:
http://news.scotsman.com/world.....4187402.jp
it’s called martial law.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:42 am
and this is what we got coming down the pipeline fellas:
http://news.scotsman.com/world.....4187402.jp
it’s called martial law.
oh, and as far as Jonathan Ross is concerned there is a simple answer. Switch off the tv or better still chuck it out.
June 18th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
charles smyth . again , i defer to your academic advantage . perhaps we got off on the wrong foot . lets start again on the understanding that this is an issue we will never agree on . i would just like to ask you something . you are very clear in your belief in a single european state . i respect your right to have those views as passionately as i disagree with them . all i’m asking is that the issue be debated in a public forum and then tested by asking the people of the member states if they want to give up their national sovereignty and become a homogenous grey lump labelled ‘European’. i , for one , do not . however , i would be prepared to accept the outcome of a fair referendum . if the European Union is such a wonderful idea , why are the people concerned being dictated to and not asked ? not a very good start is it ? evidently , those who control such things are afraid of the outcome .
June 18th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
#maxx fennig: All fair points. However, the Irish ‘no’ vote was not by much of a margin, and although some said ‘no’ because the Lisbon treaty is pretty much incomprehensible beyond the main bullet points, others were saying ‘no’ for reasons that had nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty. I thought that all member-states should have a Commissioner and that the QWMV level should be raised significantly above 55%. I also thought that extending the supranational aspects: High Representative, etc., were unnecessary, at this time.
Even if all that were resolved in order to make the EU more administratively efficient, etc., the EU project is still bedeviled by the fact that is composed of a collection of national interests all looking to see who can bilk one another by way of democracy in ever more complex and elaborate ways, at the government and self-organising networks level*. (*You can Google for this stuff and more
To get beyond this problem, the debate amongst the electorate would have to be along very different and much more informed lines. This because Grey Goo philosophy doesn’t cut it, if you intend to be in the vanguard against the NWO.
With that in mind, I thought that you might like, to ponder the following references, bearing in mind how few even bothered to read the main bullet points about the Lisbon treaty, let alone the Lisbon treaty in its entirety.
References:
States and Power in Africa by Jeffrey Herbst: amazon.com/.co.uk
Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles by Jesús Huerta de Soto: amazon.com
Wooden Nickels and Steel Pennies:
http://mises.org/story/3011
June 18th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
charles smyth . sincerest thanks for your suggestions of source materials for study . ok , so let me see if i’ve got this right . are you suggesting that the people of Europe can’t make an informed decision because they are not in possession of all the facts ? ok , i can buy that . i also agree that the way forward is for the electorate to be able to debate along different and more informed lines . i hasten to add that i include myself amongst ‘ the electorate ‘. the great difficulty remains that the electorate have to work for a living and have neither the time , the resources or , i strongly suspect , the motivation to become more informed – at least not to any degree that would be useful . it seems to me that the solution would be to be more transparent about the facts . here are my concerns as an average joe so to speak . everything to do with the European Union seems to be done in a sneaky , underhand or ambiguous manner .little , if any , effort has been made to inform or educate the people who will have to live with the consequences of the decisions made both on joining the E.U. and the long term implications . historically , Britain hasn’t done particularly well in it’s dealings with Europe . we absolutely do not need even more layers of bureaucracy slowing things down and creating more nonsensical ‘regulations’ . last on the list ( but not limited to ! ) and to my mind most importantly , membership of the E.U. effectively renders parliament impotent . to paraphrase winson churchill , ‘ democracy is the worst system except for all the others ‘. it may not be perfect , but it does limit the extent of corruption . you also mentioned something about stopping the nwo . i’m curious how you can be in favour of the E.U. and against the nwo . in my opinion the E.U. is another step forward in the nwo’s agenda . thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me . i won’t change my mind but it’s always good to get a fresh perspective and i am not so arrogant as to think i can’t learn something new.
June 19th, 2008 at 3:55 am
#maxx fennig: Without a broader foundation to their thinking, EU citizens will always be entrapped by a particular line of thinking which is counter to their self-interests, no matter if it is from the perspective of the nation-state they are used to thinking in terms of, or a super-state with supranational powers.
Democracy is tolerable so long as it is very limited in its scope. Otherwise, its inherent deficit leads to intolerable corruption and social division. This is why America’s Founding Fathers established a constitutional republic and not a constitutional democracy. Since the time of the Greeks, democracies have always catastrophically failed and, like the nation-state as we know it, are the exception and not a norm to be achieved. There is unity in the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland simply because enough people get paid off to keep it united. This is Parliament’s role, so it is not hampered by Brussels. In fact, Brussels makes it easier by way of subsidies and regional grants, etc.
I consider the NWO in the form of an evil elite to be a boogie man-cum-distraction. If EU citizens assumed direct responsibility for their interests, instead of always demanding a democratically elected government to do something, they would become the NWO.
In closing: It must be remembered that people, in general, do not deliberately establish borders and impediments to their freedom of movement and ability to trade, etc. Thus, for governments to pass legislation, which simply resets things to a more normal mode, is hardly much of an achievement. A significant downside of the nation-state is that it established the means with which to fight big wars on the cheap, with nationalism as the motivation to fight, in lieu of paying soldiers a proper rate. An upside of the nation-state, as opposed to a myriad of city-states, etc., is that we now have the iPhone and a vast array of other technologies, to make our lives better.