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A Ron Paul Foreign Policy Barack Obama Should Believe In
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COMMENT: This forum on Obama’s Change.gov website is one place to present Obama & his crew with alternative proposals; like any other dropbox, the volume of response will be more telling than anything else.
Marc Gallagher
Liberty Maven
November 19th, 2008
Ron Paul has been rightly critical of Barack Obama’s interventionist desires. It certainly seems the only foreign policy difference between our outgoing meddling President and our incoming one is the venue of destruction. Bush’s crusade was Iraq. It looks like Obama’s will be Afghanistan. Three or four years from now will Obama have plummeting approval ratings due to mismanagement of his coming interventionist crusade in Afghanistan?
The real answer depends on the level of the crusade. By level, I could mean blood level. The most morbid yet accurate indicator of failure in such an effort is the number of body bags on planes bound for home. Will the American people give Barack Obama more breathing room than Bush on this horrific statistic? I certainly hope not.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Right now it seems like the progressive global “god-in-waiting” can do no wrong. I recall similar approval for our soon to be ex-President in those dark days immediately following the September 11th attacks. The precise percentage of Bush’s “approval” rating now doesn’t really matter. We know it’s extremely low. Knowing that it was once north of 90% tells us more. The mighty can fall. They can fall hard and they can fall fast. Obama should be ever mindful of this hard truth as he embarks toward his own POTUS destiny.
Before Obama chiefly commands our troops from Iraq and into Afghanistan he should make clear the goals of such an action. By “goals” I don’t mean just inanely repeating, “We must leave in victory”, over and over again like neo-conservative robots. Please just level with your fellow Americans. What constitutes victory? There should be an end in sight before escalating the conflict.
An effective move Barack Obama can take to show he is truly serious about restoring our faith in the office of the President would be to ask Congress to declare war on Afghanistan. If war is not declared by Congress our troops should not be engaging the Taliban there. In the event that Congress refuses to vote or the vote should fail, Obama should then pull all combat troops out of Afghanistan. Doing so would save lives and money in an economically unstable time. That is my hope beyond hope, but it is quite unlikely. At the very least, having a legitimate declaration of war would satisfy the U.S. Constitution, the supposed supreme law of the land.
The most effective foreign policy proposition for Obama would be one that legitimizes the praise he is receiving from U.S. citizens and the rest of the world right now. He could adopt a Ron Paul style foreign policy of non-intervention. This would tell the world that America will no longer be the bully running around playground Earth, wacking non-Americans over the head with the freedom stick. We could then lead through example, defense, and diplomacy.
Now that would be some change I could believe in. How about you?
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November 19th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
ron paul is great but he knows as well as most of us that will never happen
November 19th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Well said
November 20th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I personally can not see any different between Obama regime and the previous regimes in conducting the foregin policy and thats because the global-elites are in fact those ones who are making the policy regardless of who was or is the president. But the most important is that every move by the global-elites must be exposed and to be reported to the public.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:12 am
ID HATE TO BE IN OBAMAS SHOES. FEAR HIS HANDLERS OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT GO ALONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST WITH PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS. BUSH TOOK IT TOO FAR AND HANDING IT OFF TO A BLACK MAN AS IF IT WOULD PACIFY US WILL NOT DETER THOSE OF US WHO KNOW IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. I JUST HOPE HE DOES THE RIGHT THING. IF NOT, ALL I SEE IS MORE DEATH.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am
TESTING
November 20th, 2008 at 11:31 am
#3 hit the nail on the head. it matters not who or what party is in office. Both parties are corrupted and blackmailed by the global elitists. “THEY” are the ones calling the shots and making policy. The politicians are merely spokes models for them. If America is truly desiring change and if it wants to follow the supreme law of the land (the constitution) then it must first overthrow the system which is corrupt by design and then go after the NWO crowd and eliminate them or their power by any means necessary. Anything short of this is nothing but talk. The time is now for ACTION! A mass concentrated march on Washington D.C. is just a start and could serve warning to the elitists that there are millions (not thousands) ready to do “whatever” is required to take our country back. After that march, then move to phase II.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I agree, but I don’t think Obama’s intentions are there… he inadvertently fooled the American people by saying we’ll have a time table to pull outta Iraq but little did he mention about Afghanistan… We need to definitely adopt a more humble foreign policy because if we don’t, we’re just building our debt and seeing that we are on the verge of being broke… I would say that this idea would be a great plan to follow. Like RP says, if we believe that they’re attacking us because we’re rich and we’re free, we’re not going to solve this issue. We’ve been over there for 50+ years, when we really don’t have the right to be. Golden rule, people, didn’t everyone get taught that in school and from your parents? That’s what I live by… we’re all one, we’re in this together, the elites wants us to be separated (i.e. race, religion, status)so that they can reconfigure the whole world with a global order.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
You know this constant comedic dismissal of Obama as a messiah or the one or “god-in-waiting” is getting fucking ridiculous. Nobody voted for Obama because we think he is a god or going to immediately solve everything by talking. We voted for him because he is hands down better than Mccain. We voted for him because he talks to us like adults and stops trying to scare everyone into thinking like them. I don’t expect anyone that visits THIS site to know what life is like without having every single potential upcoming problem being told to you every single day in the form of fearmongering articles. The world is not going to explode. Obama is not God. Nobody ever says he is. We fucking like the guy. Is it too hard for a miserable hater to comprehend?? Not everyone has a vitriolic heart. Trying to dismiss Obama and criticizing his voters by saying they were somehow duped into voting for him or are blindly supporting him is wrong! You just prove that you are a miserable loser. Now we have to listen to these f*cking dipshits every single day with “oh is that real change or more of the same” or “oh i guess obama isn’t god after all” or “looks like obama’s not perfect” WHO THE FUCK SAYS HE IS?!?! GET OFF HIS DICK!
November 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Obama sed that he will increase pressence in Afganistan, and focus on seria and Iran. this was a political play that not many cought on to. He picked up voters based on increasing forign intervention and the persuit of alquida, at the same time picking up votes because you could put him on the list of people that are against the war in iraq. SEE he played both sides of the issue and won. Ron Paul saw through it and sed that Obama is not for change, “he wants to put more troops in afganistan and itack Iran”
You CANNOT have victory or any GOAL involved when you wage war against an IDEA. The war on terror has done what it had intended to do. MAKE MORE TERORISTS. The men recently being released from cuba because there is no evidence against them after 7 YEARS where not at hostile to america when they went in. Buti promise you that they are now. Wouln’t he be a little upset if you were kifdnapped for SEVEN years without a lawer, charges, or a trial, by another country that you have never been to. Those guys are probubly pretty pissed. I hope that they fall back on thier muslem faith and follow Mohammed’s teachings and not retalliate against us. I’m a JESUS guy myself. But you must understand that both religions are virtually the same in thier core values. As Americans are minipulated into bailouts and racism, muslims can be menipulated into violence and suicide by rich men that want to become richer. Take note that OSAMA did not put himself on a plane and fly it into a building. He and Bush went to the same school for liers apparently.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Sounds like the only one thats on OBAMAS dick is ROB. lol. He is in denial. You will see 4 years from now when we are in the same boat. Please dont ever forget that TV is a FOR PROFIT idea. The PEOPLE that the TV tells you to like is preditermined. They are designed to take your money. Listen to Mohammed AL. he nailed it on the head. These people are TRYING TO START FEAR and WAR. If i controled 60% of the money on the planet I could start a way and then soon control ALL of the money on the planet. It would not be hard. It is not a new idea. Its been done before and history has documented this. Please dont be an idiot. Oh and Please email me on your thoughts of running Ron Paul and Chuck Norris in 2012. Rogie3@yahoo.com
November 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
By the time he’s done, Obama will make Bush look like a peace activist.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Kinda funny reading naive complaints like Rob’s above (#6). Get a grip!!!! No one here is saying that McCain would’ve been any better — both candidates sucked!!! Obama is already a puppet — just look at the people he’s appointing around him!!!…
- The Rahminator!!
- That jerk from the NY Fed!!
- Clinton!!
- And the list goes on!
Look over the next 4-8 years for more erosion of the wealth of ordinary Americans, more real jobs disappearing forever, more businesspeople going bankrupt, more American Foreign Policy blunders, more deaths of innocents at the end of American barrels around the world, more destruction of individual liberties in the name of fabricated emergencies and improving the collective well-being, more foreign adventures and MORE WAR!!!
That’s what you voted for Rob!!!
You want REAL change??? Look up Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty — now THERE’S a True Patriot and Great Man to have on your side.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
why does he hide the fact hes a mason?
November 24th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Rob (#6) is a dipshit.
He voted Obama because he says Obama is better than McCain.
I voted for Bob Barr because he’s better that either McCain or Obama!!!
The thing that makes me think Rob is so stupid is the simple fact that he did not have to vote for either of the two evils.
What we all should do is stop whining, and get organized to take our nation back and Restore the Republic!!!
Don’t be a Rob, don’t be a dipshit!!!
Be a RON, Be a PATRIOT!!
Rise up against tyranny!!
Rise up against the corrupt sesspool that is Washington DC.
Our founders had it right, and we were once great because we followed the constitution.
You want to know some irony?
Obama taught constitutional law, but apparently does not believe it to be the law of the land.
How can you teach something you do not believe in? What a hipocrit.
Let’s take our country back!!
November 25th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
@ Roger: With Chuck on the ticket there would be no way for Ron Paul to lose. Every American knows that if we don’t vote for Chuck, he will kick every last one of our asses! So I see the Ron Paul/Chuck Norris ticket as the winner with 100% of the vote… maybe more than that because some will be so scared that they’ll vote twice just to make Chuck happy.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
man are you guys for real….ron paul and chuck norris…what the f#@@$$%##@@@@!!!#$^ jesse ventura is the real deal..and he could kick that punk,norris ass
November 28th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Hey, I just ran across this article. It is called “Zionist Subjugate Nations by Controlling Their Political Parties by Chris Bollyn (11-22-08). Thought you might want to look at its information. I could be wrong?
http://www.rense.com/general84/zbnt.htm
November 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Автор, а вы в каком городе живете если не секрет?
November 28th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I think it would be great if ron and chuck ran for president. I would like to ask Ron Paul something should he read this.I read that the constitution is the supreme law of the land. Then the first ammendment says Congress shall make no law prohibiting freedom of speech and so on. I also read that Congress does an oath to support the constitution. When Bush was sworn in he swears to uphold the constitution yet lies. I also read in some states lying like that a official could be charged with high treason and something else. I believe i read this on wikipedia under the word oath. This article when it mentions states, doesn’t say which states or countries do this. So if the president and congress have lied under oath to uphold the constitution and haven’t shouldn’t these liberty taking laws be void in the first place?
November 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Always, never ceases to amaze me, how every one is the expert until they are put into the hot seat.Some how the attitude about that poor job the other guy was doing, now changes. Situation always reverses under pressure, knowing the real issues becomes a problem even for the ruling class.
Funny how some are appointed by the people to serve, and all they want to do is lead . . .
December 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
War economy… all of the bigger corperations of the world are tied to it just as strongly as they are in energy… Nothing new is created in medicine or general technology without War as its forethought… it is the oldest and easiest buisness in the world… and with the world in an economic depression… expect only more war… Israel and Iran, India and Pakistan, Thailand Civil War, China and anyone in Africa, Russia and old Russian states…. the shit is a worldwide pandemic…. no religion in this world can topple… All are far to weak and have no answers for modern problems… most religions rally war and warrior spirit anyway… aside from maybe buddhism… but its not a religion…
We can stop only so much of the maddness as common people… only when it effects our lives directly… while noble… the truth movement will not survive unless its hands get dirty…
War will always begat more war… it makes me want to cry…
but Im a man… i only do that when chopping onions….
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I just copied and pasted this idea onto the obama page, every one who reads this should copy and paste the last 2 paragraphs onto the forum, then it would say something to them or whoever reads the shit.
December 4th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Yeh well this sounds exactly the same strategy that was staged upon with the Georgian conflict. Same bullshit but differnt ass hole being responsible, yet they all come udner the same controlling masters. Remember this people! Al-Qudea does not even exist there is no such thing. It was a computer database file that was orchestrated with this arbic group or organisation to fight against the russians. This was back in the mid 70s.
There are witnesses about the Mumbai attacks that claim the attackers were anglo americans, and they were drinking alot before starting the shooting rampage. Now! if you are a Muslim or you follow the Quran teachings, it is against the laws of Allah to drink. Defeats the meaning of being true and holy, according to them anyway. But blaming islamic millitants? Firstly, they are not arabic and they are certainly are not MUSLIMS!!!! Get through your dumb founded minds sheeps! Islam are not bad guys! Who you think controls the world? ZIONISTS and they HATE Islam, they want to get rid of the religion for good.
Its all about denouncing the truth about the return of Christ, making us believe that Lucifer is far more capable in controlling this world. This is what Freemasons do! The essence of their occult is based on the Jewish KABALAH, which is very lucerferic.
Religion today is under the control of devils! No religion today is pure and holy since religion is a profit making establishment. Serving the elite, and creating fear into our lives that God is full of fear, when hes really about love.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
How about casualties in the ‘foreign theater’? The women and children and dare I say men who are being bombed by ‘predator’ ‘drones’
Check yourself Gallagher
December 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
IT’S TIME TO END THE TALK AND ACT NOW! YOU ARE NO LONGER FREE,SOLIDIFY YOUR OBJECTIVES AND HAVE COURAGE TO STAND ALONE AND FIGHT ON YOUR SOIL FOR FREEDOM OR YOUR RIGHTS,THAT ARE GOD GIVEN WILL DEMINISH AND THE CHILDREN OF AMERICA WILL BE THE ONES TO SUFFER.
December 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
We could go along way in saving America by closing overseas bases and recalling Americas troops,think what a trillion dollars could do in rebuilding our intrastructure free of foreign investment,we have no place being overseas involved in things that are not our business,we can’t be world policemen,what would should be focusing on is ridding America of the shadow government and corruption, restoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights,and abolishing the criminal federal reserve,and amending the Constitution so that another similar bank system can never be re-instituted.
February 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
It is time to be productive Americans as long as we consume more than we produce we will always be in a depresion.We Americans must pull together and show the elites,government and all the other contries of the world we are producers and will let no monitary system enslave us.Wake up and kick some ass America in all ways.
February 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Excellent Article.
I used the link proved http://change.gov/page/st/yourstory to the “change” form and I copied and pasted the above article into the comment box.
I suggest you all do that, if you already haven’t.
I think this would cause them to have to at least think about it if they recieve it so many times.
Plus I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that that is the reason the link was provided with this article here on infowars.