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Alleged Hijacker Booked On Post-9/11 Flights
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Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, February 28th, 2008
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| The new documents were not included in the 9/11 Commission’s final report. | |
Astounding newly released FBI documents obtained via the Freedom Of Information Act show that alleged 9/11 hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi had booked future flights to San Francisco and Riyadh, suggesting that he was unaware of his eventual fate aboard United Airlines Flight 175, the plane that hit the World Trade Center’s south tower.
The papers consist of a 300 page Federal Bureau of Investigation timeline (PDF link) that was used by the 9/11 Commission but not made public until now.
The 9/11 Commission failed to mention in its final report that Al-Ghamdi was booked onto several flights scheduled to take place after 9/11, including another flight on the very day of the attacks.
The fact that Al-Ghamdi had booked post-9/11 flights obviously gives rise to doubts about whether the alleged hijacker knew the 9/11 attack was a suicide mission and even brings into question if he was on the flight at all.
Citing “UA passenger information," on page 288 under an entry pertaining to “H AlGhamdi,” the FBI timeline reads: "Future flight. Scheduled to depart Los Angeles International Airport for San Francisco International Airport on UA 7950," reports Raw Story (excerpt below).
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| Flight information contained in FBI timeline used by the 9/11 Commission and recently released through a Freedom of Information request. |
Al-Ghamdi was also booked to fly on September 20, 2001 from Casablanca, Morocco to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and September 29, where he planned to fly from Riyadh to Damman, Saudi Arabia.
The FBI timeline documents also contradict with several other details of the 9/11 Commission Report, notably on the movements of alleged Flight 77 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar.
According to researcher Paul Thompson, he believes the Commission cherry-picked the dates of the alleged hijacker’s movements in order to shield their ties with high-level Saudi Arabian officials.
He points to the redaction of the name of a person who is a known employee of a Saudi defense contractor, Omar al-Bayoumi, who lived at the same location, reports Raw Story.
“We know it’s Bayoumi,” said Thompson, “because after 9/11, the Finnish Government mistakenly released a classified FBI list of suspects that showed Bayoumi living in apartment #152 of Parkwood Apartments.” That information is available here.
“But also important is that it strongly suggests that the hijackers already had a support network in Southern California before they arrived,” Thompson continued.
“In the official version of the story now, the hijackers drift around L.A. listlessly for two weeks before chancing to come across Bayoumi in a restaurant [according to Bayoumi’s account],” Thompson added. “Whereupon he’s an incredible good Samaritan and takes them down to San Diego, pays their rent, etc.”
”But from the FBI’s timeline, we now know the hijackers started staying at Bayoumi’s place on Jan. 15 – the very same day they arrived,” Thompson says. “So obviously they must have been met at the airport and taken care of from their very first hours in the US. That’s huge because the FBI maintains to this day that the hijackers never had any accomplices in the US.”
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| Alleged Hamza Al-Ghamdi appears in his "martrydom tape," which interestingly enough was only released in September 2006, post-9/11 just like his flight plans were. | |
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Former 20-year veteran CIA case officer Robert Baer, who has previously asserted that 9/11 has aspects of being an inside job, told Raw Story that the new developments immediately demand the 9/11 investigation be re-opened.
“There are enough discrepancies and unanswered questions in the 9/11 Commission report that under a friendly administration, the 9/11 investigation should be re-opened,” wrote Baer.
“Considering that the main body of evidence came from tortured confessions, it’s still not entirely clear to me what happened on 9/11,” he concluded.
Raw Story provides further details concerning how the documents shed more light on the role of Saudi authorities and their complicity in the attack.
These new revelations mark the most astounding 9/11-related developments in many months and are sure to kick of a firestorm of new doubts about the crumbling official government story.
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February 28th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
9/11 Commission Report left this out, damn that is a shocker, March on Washington and lets show the good folks in our government that we have had enough. JULY 4th 2008. Come on folks lets make a change. Give me freedom or give me death!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
We need something on the scale of neuremburg before the end of this year. This is getting rediculous. We litterally have a NAZI as president. I think whenever anyone starts talking politics the conversation should always begin with this. “For the record, George bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, was wall streets money launderer for financing the Nazi’s. So all discussion should take place with this clearly in your mind.”
February 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Ok, having seen this for years after the Warren Commission here is how it will play out. Some time in the future, some article will say they have looked into it. It will say that he was booked on future flights to throw off anyone who may have been looking into his movements. It was all a diversion by him to throw people off, there is nothing strange about that. Translated, go back to sleep nothing to see here. Look there is so much wrong with the Official story they cannot even talk about it, just shout people down who bring it up. Their biggest Hoax yet to date, and we can’t even get anyone in power to say anything stronger then that something MAY be wrong with the Official story. Oh well, sooner or later we will all become aware, I just hope it will be before most find themselves in a little room naked with others asking where the faucets are.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Sept. 2000, PNAC calls to increase US defense budget, but says won’t happen absent a catastrophic event like a “new Pearl Harbor.” (ABC, PNAC)
PNAC calls for a war in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein who they say threatens Israel and the world’s oil supply. (ABC, PNAC)
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
February 28th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
It’s all a GAME > The Bilderberg Group meets to discuss which wars are to be fought in the upcoming year so the FEDRESERVE/CENTRAL BANKS can loan more $$$, and charge us more interest to ENSLAVE US
PLEASE, DO THIS > GOOGLE >>> ZEITGEIST, The Movie – Official Release and you will get a better understanding.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I agree with #3. It is time to cut the formalities, and get right down to the business of cleaning out the barn as Ross Perot said. It is pretty obvious that the election process affords the citizens no recourse. We the people need to literally go to Washington and look over the shoulders of those who are supposed to be representing us. We need to get very pushy. Unfortunately, probably 9 of your neighbors don’t see what’s going on, and will continue to pass the buck and harp about what a poor selection of candidates they have to choose from. Ninety percent of the church going crowd in your community believe the original 911 story. They get offended if you suggest anything else. It is time to take the law into our own hands. If necessary make citizen’s arrests on Congress and the Administration.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I fear there is nothing that can be done to impeach Bush no matter how much he deserves it. Bush will retire with personal security in tow and fade to black in his ranch in texas. I prayed as a Canadian that something would be done. I no longer have faith that will occur.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
If it was true that Arabs were trained at flight schools, could they have been offered employment after so called free training? Maybe they were staged fall guys for the BThing Project.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I just want to thank my family, neighbors and co-workers for being a bunch of dip s--- cowards. The American people are the weakest most pathetic morons in the universe. We are going down hard.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Need a laugh? Watch HILLARY get MOONED by a guy in a blue dress, posing as MONICA – at one of her presidential rallies no less!
Youtube: “BAD MOON RISING: HILLARY” or go to this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDy04nalCk
It’s HILLARY-ious!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Oh man, you can count on this NOT breaking out into the mainstream media…If it does, that would be a miracle.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Now I’m wondering if those 20 hijackers were also fried without their prior knowledge.
I can’t imagine they were not on the plane, and flown out again,
but what about those allegedly having been sighted alive?
Is there any proof any of them actually were alive after 9/11,
or was that just some planted false track to confuse everybody even more.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I got drunk once, and woke up in a pile of money with naked women everywhere!
only in Amerika!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Rittmeister > They ARE alive bud; not a sham or scam. Wake up Brother, Wake UP…Quick. Do your research, and you will find out for yourself…See the video’s of the guys themselves stating they couldn’t believe their eyes when THEY saw THEIR faces on the TV stating they were f---ing Terrorist!
The US Government is the real terrorist…and I know for a FACT it was an INSIDE JOB buddy > trust me on this one, you just don’t know what our government is capable of. I am ashamed for ever BEING in the military and glad I wised up
February 28th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
If you look very closely, the evidence is clear that all the “hijackers” are Oswald-styled patsies. It is becoming more evident that AIPAC / Mossad is the hidden directive agency behind 911. Maher is just another cover artist for them. It may even be very possible that only the TOP CIA / NSA / FBI people knew what was coming off. Larry Silverstein, Giuliani, Rumsfeld,Tenet, of course Cheney and possibly Bush were in on it as well. It was a farmed-out job, Mossad’s handiwork. Right after the attacks, Mossad was already leaking “hints” that Saddam was involved.
Everything since 911 has followed the Israeli agenda. Afghanistan, Iraq and now Iran too?
Now are you ready for this? AIPAC /Mossad has even infiltrated the 911 Truth movement. Take a close look at Loose Change – Final cut, they are shifting the blame to Pakistan AWAY from any connection to Mossad and other insiders Jason Bermas infiltarated the Loose Change crew after Loose Change 2 and completely subverted the whole process. Many of the We Are Change groups are under this subversion right now, being misdirected by young Jewish infiltrators who are setting these kids up to create a violent confrontation instead of productive citizen response. All across the county these kids are donning black T-shirt Seattle-styled anarchist garb and only creating more tension that will give the 911 Truth movement a bad rap, and possibly the label of “domestic terrorism” where the KBR camps await for everyone. Who was REALLY behind 911? Who Benefited? Who is subverting us now? Calm down the NOISE, investigate Mossad!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey’s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed.
In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters – the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”
http://www.whatreallyhappened......aelis.html
February 28th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
With all the misfitted pieces of information associated with 9/11, along with the many “multiple choice” get away rabbit holes, there is no double that the real culprits are attempting to exhaust and out run the light of truth.
The solid evidence that does exist, from intentionally planted false intel, lapses in national security, selling short, the many timelines, live film footage and audio recordings, etc., etc., needs to be placed onto a very large table for sifting, sorting and proper placement to solve this puzzle.
There are more than just a few, that can clearly see very serious problems involving undisclosed agendas, obfuscation tactics and obstruction of justice, all of which are a serious threat to this country. Because of the direction this country has taken, it appears the real prize behind 9/11, was to hijack our Constitution and then roll this country with federalism leading to fascism. Because of the schematics and political propaganda tactics being used to force feed us this crap, there is no doubt that the real perpetrators come from high up, are operating from within our own institutions and have outside help.
I do believe the Logan Act would make such undisclosed planning and undisclosed alliedship a treasonous crime. However, as we are reminded, it’s not a crime if it remains classified, or otherwise off the table of Congress and our courts to persue. This is where We The People are – flush, as the NWO runs rampent with their big plan. In comparison to a disease, this is the stage where the parasite rules over the host and consumes the host.
Very sincerely
February 28th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Once again, you quacks take something and run with it. What does it prove? Maybe these were in place if they had to abort the mission for some reason. Maybe he wasn’t sure he could go through with it. Who knows? But, it proves nothing. It is this kind of garbage that you all “rest your case” on. It means nothing until something corroburates it.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
If our government is so concerned that 9/11 truthers are terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers, why does our government act totally guilty when the subject of honest accounting and investigation is raised?
To be honest, I would love for a Grand Jury investigation led by an independent prosecutor having unlimited subpoena powers to fully investigate and reveal that 9/11 was not an inside job. Then all Americans could rejoice, reunite as We The People and move forward. Something like this would be worth the money and worth the effort, to repair all the dammage and doubts that so many concerned Americans now have.
What are they afraid of? Why do our leaders act like criminals on the run? If they have nothing to hide, then they cetainly have nothing to fear from a full Grand Jury investigation led by a prosecutor with UNLIMITED subpoena powers. If they are telling us the truth, this would fix our country.
Very sincerely
February 28th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
E. Leonard –
You don’t get it do you? A grand jury to prove a crime DIDN’T happen? It works the other way, pal.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
LOWERY PENTAGON VET….there ya are Lover Boy, sorry i was just wrestlein on the ground with this yuppy boy questionamoronforhisservice, …it was nothen honey, we was just checken each other for ticks, ….you believe me /?? dont ya honey?? (she bats her stubs at LOWREY *sigh*)
February 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
WOOPS ! I totaly posted that message to LOWERY on the wrong thread, sorry, didnt mean to stumble in here….scuse me….im leaveing now
February 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Thankamarineforyourfreedom -
Well actually, if we had a grand jury investigation, I am positive we’d need some marines for the firing squads, but I was playing it politically correct(politely).
God bless the marines and I am not kidding.
Very
February 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
alex jones..where have u been?
New adminstration….new alex..
we miss ya
thanx always for the info
February 28th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
It’s like some imature psyco kids show for adults. Fox needs to get someone dressed up as a masked stack pancakes to teach adults who the villian is. And maybe make O’reilly and Hannity some sort of batman and robin with that wacky morining show crew to save the world from the giant Islamic pancake who sits on buildings and flattens them. And America talks about the Hamas Mouse. The whole 9/11 as presented by the western media has got to be the most sickeningly cheap pathetic pack of fairy stories of all time. It’s just increadible to see what a pathetic and rotten nation the US is. Out of the entire government, all branches, there is only one good guy-Ron Paul. The same ratio is true for the public. Most Americans, I wouldn’t give the time of day or want to waste the gift of sight looking at.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
It’s all lies. God bless those that seek the truth and enlighten those who hide from it. I am a U.S. Marine and I want to ask every service member to take a stand and choose a side. May we honor those who came before us by fufilling our destiny as Americans. Let us fight for each other and retain freedom for mankind. The ultimate battle is at hand.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:56 am
Troop4truth -
As I am sure you already know, the “arrogance” we are seeing comming from the empowered elite, as they deal with the new age “people problem” the bird flu and zee lice, is more than tell tale and very alarming!
We are in for the fight of our lives!
Very sincerely
February 29th, 2008 at 5:04 am
It is time to rise up and fight the new world order and murder them the same way they murdered us, without any care at all. Maybe our armed services would see asurge of enrollment if they actually did somethign american like arret 9-11 traitor george bush and dick cheney, and if not for the 9-11 treason atleas for lying us into a war with iraq. Its time our armed services show everyone what america is about.So far all i see from ou troops is cowardness. Our troop are cowards if they dont arrest george bush for lying them into a war, they should be ashamed
February 29th, 2008 at 5:48 am
The military will never attack the president or vice president; they are too indoctrinated with command hieararchy to do this. But the militia sure as hell could. The government should learn not to tread on us. They are making us more and more progressively miserable, and soon we will have more to gain through bloodshed than to lose. Woe betide the men squeezing the throats of the American working class when this happens!
Promise me only one thing: that when we do finally raze and shake the foundations of this nation, we will not simply create a new ruling elite that supplants the current ruling elite while leaving the poor hung out to dry. Otherwise, what was the point of any of this?
February 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Unfortunately, nearly, if not all societies have some sort of elite/ruling class. It is just the nature of society. I am not talking social Darwinism either. The people that care and pay attention naturally become involved in the politics, those who do not care or don’t pay attention, end up being ‘ruled’. The ones involved in politics tend to make/pass/enforce laws that favor their needs. Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who said: “No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity” ?
I believe the majority of Americans take their country for granted, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the origins of this free country. I honestly don’t think it occurs to them that they can loose their freedom, or that they are in the process of loosing it as we speak.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Unfortunately, David Stratton, that is exactly what would happen in your Nation the creation of new ruling elite. The poor would be hung out & left to dry. There never was any We The People in your Nation. All that happened is your Nation was founded by educated rich elitists. All your Nation ever did was buy their lies, and the lie that you are somehow free? The peoples of your Nation became the believers of your own myths & fables that most people of other Nations do the same merely believing all their own myths, fables, and lies. According to my reading your Nation’s founders patterned your Nation after the Republic/Empire of Rome. Rome was a conquering Nation because Rome had the Gold, & Armies to do this thing. Other Nations did the same things before Rome & after Rome. Those who don’t study history often just get sucked into the same old lies & evils over & over again.
If a person is born in Russia they are brainwashed to believe they are a Russian just as people born in your Nation are brainwashed to believe they are Americans, or Republicans, or Democrats, or Communists, & so forth. Regardless of Nation people are merely brainwashed in the ways of that Nation.
The brainwashing takes form in many various aspects of any Nation upon the earth.
There I was upon Planet located somewhere in a rather large vast universe, or at least appeared to be a rather large vast universe.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:46 am
right, let the 100 year war on the neocon terrorists begin… and start exporting all immigrants back to their country to fight there own good fight with the leaders they ran from. Afterall they all still have family there, dont they want them to live happily. This needs to happen world wide not just here. I know what they are doing… let all these immigrants in and bog us down with a civil war rather than a revolution. Ok I got this figured out… Lets hit them first haaaa come on immi’s lets join hands in a joint tactical operation called Where mah money at?
February 29th, 2008 at 7:58 am
At this point there is no alternative to the inevitable. Our Government needs to be purged of all the worms. But it wasnt ignorance that got our country where it is, it was deceptive tactics carried out by evil thru advances in technology. When Thomas Jefferson made that statement he did not foresee what Americans would be bombarded with every minute of the day. Furthermore it was the ignorance of our Government that caused this mess, not ignorance of the people. At some point our Government allowed the worms to infiltrate and take over every aspect of our being . Department of Education ? Therefore the punishment will not be ours.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:17 am
No one really knows what actually happened on 9/11( except the perpatrators ). There are many theories. One by Donn De Grand Pre that the planes were remote controlled, and that there were no hi-jackers. Some group was used like decoys. Another is that there were hi-jackers who were suicide squads, but they weren’ t arabs, they were Israeli. Some believe that the arabs accused were used by the Mossad/CIA for their purposes. This is why we need a real investigation. We do know that the Israeli’s from Israel, and dual-citizens in the U.S. prominently appear to as the key figures. Read Chris Bollyn’s writings. It appears that hundreds of Israeli’s are involved. And this is in no way pointing the finger at all Israeli’s, or all Jews. These are silly statements by people who are most likely assigned to continue to cover up this horrific Crime. Below article is another interesting theory by an unknown writer:
Zionist Commando Daniel Lewin Orchestrated The 9-11 Terrorist Attacks
His Troops Stole Arab Identites While Mossad Agents In Hollywood, Florida Assassinated Mohammed Atta And Framed Him For The Crime
http://www.ilaam.net/Sept11/ZionistDid911.html
February 29th, 2008 at 9:21 am
BREAKING 9/11 NEWS: FBI Says Barbara Olsen Did Not Call Ted Olsen from the HIJACKED airplane as the entire world was told.
Bush Solicitor General LIED !!
by Bill Douglas
http://www.opednews.com/articl.....ws_3a_.htm
February 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am
The hypocrisy on this site seems to know no bounds. You have people that call themselves patriots, that clearly hate America. There is more anti-Americanism on this site than patriotism, yet, to listen to you guys, you claim to be the ultimate patriots. You write about taking back freedoms, yet at the same time you speak of taking freedoms away from those you disagree with. How does that make you any better than the people you oppose for doing the same? I have read about beliefs that “we need to get rid of the bloodlusting evildoers that run this country.” Then, in the same post or in response, “We need to murder/execute the liars!” Who has the bloodlust? I have brought this up many times. Why is this movement nothing but a fringe group, widely considered to be kooks?
February 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Some people love America and some love the Values of America.
One will support the country even when those values are broken, while the other will criticize the country when those values are broken.
One is a Patriot and the other is a Traitor.
I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. – James Baldwin
February 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Henry –
I am not talking about criticizing. I am talking about the actual words used to criticize. The call for exectuions of our leaders, the belief by those on this site that anyone who does not buy into all these wild conspiracies are sheep. There is hatred spewed left and right on this site.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:00 am
ThankAMarine: How about we just ignore your obvious little tag-team operation.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Tagteam operation?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Reminds me of the “terrorist” on 7/7 who argued with the token teller over the measley price of the train ticket. Or the one who was seen to frantically search through his backpack right after he and the other passengers heard the news of the subway bombings on the radio and just before the bomb went off.
Should I be surprised?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am
WHAT HIJACKERS!!!!??????? I’m sorry but their was NO ONE ON THOSE PLANES, just flash bombs for EFFECT and a remote device (Global Hawk) to fly the plane. CIA/Black Ops don’t need to try hard. THE MEDIA WILL SELL THE STORY FOR THEM, Remember Cell phones didn’t work at those altitudes then. In fact they are required to be turned OFF due to the electromagnetic interference. ALSO, THE FIRST COMPANY TO PUBLICALLY CLAIM THEY CAN PROVIDE CELL PHONE SERVICE ON COMMERCIAL PLANES WAS IN 2004. To believe that people where on any of the planes WHEN THERE IS MUCH EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY IS counterproductive, CIA/Black Ops would of had to account for families and the human effect. Also, WHY SO MANY UNCLAIMED INSURANCE POLICIES AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SUPPOSED FLIGHT VICTIMS FAMILIES. Which is why they blew the pennsylvania Plane to pieces. I speculate is was to sell the “we fought back” story. TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE PEOPLE WERE ON THE PLANE. ALWAYS REMEMBER, When you turn on your MAIN STREAM MEDIA DEVICES, over 99% of the “PROGRAMMING” is by and for the succession of the Illuminati. ALWAYS!!!!! Including and ESPECIALLY these invisible arab boogiemen, who somehow ALWAYS have ties to American Agencies. By, the way Thankamarine is a Fed plant. Pity him and his service to his and our destruction. Humans awake and spread the truth WHILE WE STILL CAN. Who do yo think ALL THOSE NOT SO SECRET CAMPS being built here are for? There are many many Sheeple who will think any of this is CRAZY! Just their ILLUMINATI PROGRAMMING. They won’t think twice about locking and executing anyone who can see their design. I DON’T ADVOCATE VIOLENCE, we need to spread the truth, out of the 100’s of people who I tell this too, a handful research it and start to SEE. I know that is not alot, but it is a few more Humans for the cause of Human self realization and the end of the NWO. But sad to really say MINDCONTROL IS REAL AND IS VERY SOPHISTICATED IN THIS ILLUMINATI CONTROLLED PLANET. Why else can SO SO MANY SHEEPLE/PEOPLE IGNORE WHAT THEY SEE. When the s--- hits the fan, You can either fight or run. I’m sorry the Illuminati have THE MINDS AND THE TECHNOLOGY, many police and troops will not think twice about murdering citizens who they are led to perceive as TRAITORS/TERRORISTS. My escape will be to go to a place with limited technology and fewer so called comforts. I don’t mind s---ting in a hole, as long as I don’t have to worry about mind police and Sheeple neighbors. I figure by the time the NWO come to where I am… I WILL BE DEAD, or WE ALL WILL BE DEAD SO IT DOESN’T MATTER. Oh, my, I just realized THERE IS NO PLACE TO HIDE! KEEP YOUR MIND FREE, EVEN IF YOUR BODY ISN’T!
February 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
TruthBeTold: I agree with you 100%. The mind control issue is the biggest issue out there. Witnesses of the CIA mind control ops say up to 10 million people have been brainwashed (since 1947) and are now controlled through the programs of MK-ULTRA and Operation Monarch. Many are discarded if their programming fails or are used in sacrifices or experiments that kill them. Estimates of around 1 million living operatives. They can be turned into a crazy lone shooter who commits suicide after a rampage just by giving them their verbal command code. This is the scariest thing going on, not to mention the brainwashing through TV and media they use on the rest of us. The Illuminati are in control right now. I know they easily have the technology to pull off remote control planes, etc, and have the “assets” in place to pull it off, especially in the CIA and FBI..they also are evil enough to do it. These Satan worshipers are running amok and nobody sees it! They control many in our gov’t by blackmail or other forms of treachery. The whole system is corrupted by these mind controlled zombies. They act normal on the surface but are really “agents” ready to act to serve the Illuminati’s purpose when required. That’s why things are the way they are , why it doesn’t make any sense, but it does make sense when you know the truth!
February 29th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Why didn’t the copy editors notice the factual inaccuracy of the Baer claim? While he said that on a radio program with Thomas Hartmann in 2006, he said just two months ago:
“I myself have felt the pull of the conspiracy theorists — who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, somehow pulled off by the U.S. government. For the record, I don’t believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn’t all that good at it, and certainly couldn’t carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with.”
Is this 20-year CIA veteran CRAZY for saying it’s not an inside job?
http://www.time.com/time/polit.....18,00.html
February 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
John, thank you for your comments. But most of us believe the voices of those ON THE SITE of WTC at the time. They heard multiple explosions…some in the basement. Thermate was found in the debris. Debris was sent offshore. Bldg. 7 was flattened for “no apparent reason” leaving the very recent new owner even wealthier from the insurance. Several of the would be deceased hi-jackers were seen in foreign countries AFTER their supposed demise. You need to watch Loose Change 2 again. We do not buy the lies ANYMORE John. Also….do not forget the absurdity of the pentagon plane attack and the teeny hole left on the side of the bldg. AGAIN….watch Loose Change and Terror Storm if you have not. There is no question this was arranged. And last but not least….SURELY you are aware the BBC released information about bldg. 7 falling some 23 minutes PRIOR to it actually happening. You yourself just mentioned you had been used for inside jobs. So my only comment to you is this WAKE UP.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I think there are a lot of people that can’t wake up because their all or none – myopic thinking.
The truthers that keep presenting lists of facts and questions to the many questions that remain unanswered, in light of the fact that fed’s story is full of holes and impossibilities, are not carpet bombing the issue for a false victory, as seen so often with Lobby victories.
I hear from so many people that say the truthers and list makers of questions simply mst hate America. Nothing could be further from the truth!!! The truther’s are sincere, most have done a lot of research and see serious problems with the Commissions Report on 9/11 and the “official story.” This being the case, the truther’s are horrified with what’s happeneing and being swept under the rug.
I am a truther myself and the way I see it, we have a VERY SERIOUS BREACH in the security of this nation. Letting this slide by and calling it being a good and obedient American is the most UNPATRIOTIC thing a citizen can do and allow.
For those that refuse to do their homework and investigate what all of this truther code red talk is all about, they need to start at the beginning with decalssifed documents like Operation Northwoods, the decalssified LBJ Whitehouse tapes on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the findings by our own Supreme Court on the 93 WTC bombing.
Fact: Leading up to the WTC 93 bombing, Emad Salem a former Egyptian agent working for OUR fed, did supply explosives and detonators for the 93 bombing. He was taken off the case 3 days before the bombing and asked his supervisors, “what about the explosives and detonators that are supposed to be retrieved.”?? He was told by his supervisors(our people) not to worry about it and that someone else would take care of it and Emad filmed and recorded this with a hidden video camera. He had been set up like McVeigh, but was smarter than McVeigh and filmed being taken off the case, much to the EMBARRASSMENT of our fed & CIA, that tried to make a stoolie out of him. Many of the court hearings are still classified, but enough was released to prove our agenst supplied the explosives, fuses and detonators for the 93 bombing, gave detailed instructions of how to park the van and then did NOTHING to stop it!!!! This is a fact, was in the Washington Post & NY Times years ago. Much to the EMBARRASSMENT of the fed & CIA, they had to let Emad Salem go free, even though he had helped the CIA bomb the WTC back in 1993. When he was doing this, he thought he was on an undercover mission to infiltrate the bombers, when in fact by a change of orders became the bomber.
Once one understands what’s happening, yes, we have a citizen’s code red alert. When our own government commits false flags that plans to kill and then kills US citizens, to justify changes in both domestic and foreign policy, with huge forced allocations to go with it, it take real guts and real patriotism to stand opposed.
Those unwilling to investigate such serious crimes, claiming those that do must hate America, are worthless, brainwashed chickens, that are UNPATRIOTIC and that will relinquish their civil rights and responcibility as a US citizen to do so.
I am really getting tired of hearing from those that refuse to read and reseach our own declassified archives into these matters and simply argue it is not so, as if stupid stubborness somehow represents a love for America and the American way and patriotism. If this is love for America and patriotism, it’s really a pathetic case of total derelection on their part.
Lastly, the truther’s are not attempting to tear down America, but rather restore a genuine moral compass and weed out the major breaches in our national security and sovereignty of this nation. Sweeping it all under the rug and allowing it to continue is against our Constitution and the founding principles of this nation and every war our veterans fought and paid for in blood and lives lost. This is where the truther’s stand!!!, otherwise Arlington VA is a total joke on our military men and women that paid the ULTIMATE PRICE. This is not an issue to sit down and be quiet about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very sincerely
February 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dear John,
“Why didn’t the copy editors notice the factual inaccuracy of the Baer claim? While he said that on a radio program with Thomas Hartmann in 2006, he said just two months ago:…” Why don’t you ask yourself why Baer is changing his statments? The facts presented here, as well as many, many others, support Baer’s first quote, it seems to me. One must consider that Baer may be under a great deal of pressure to suppress his conscience!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
In responce to post #40 from ThankaMarine
I do not know of any truthers that have called for the execution of ANY of our leaders!!!!
On the other hand, moles, spies and traitors that have infiltrated our institutions and provided false Intel, etc., if they were to be tried in a FORMAL COURT & INQUIRY and found guilty, what would you do with them, let em go?
I am talking about the real deal here. What would you do with an insider mole, that perhaps changed a code or helped to provide critical false intel that would allow for 9/11 to happen? Say if they merely provided the enemy with intel regarding NORAD’S war games status on the morning of 9/11, providing just enough cover and confusion to allow the terrorists to succede?
What would you want done to such an individual or individuals, sweep it under the rug?
I do not condone the execution of ANY of our leaders, but spinter within, absolutely, but only if and when it’s PROVEN. Please get it right if you are going to attempt to quote me, otherwise you are twisting and spinning a new agenda.
Very sincerely
February 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Hey Thank a Marine for Your Freedom.
Ever read oath to become a Marine or the united states of America Constitution ?
Do you know who Brig. Gen. S. Butler two time Medal of Honor recipient is or his book
War is a Racket ?
Yeah I thank that Marine for DEFENDING the U.S. Consitution in the 1930’s from American NAZI’S.
Please read the writing on the wall if you can ,it spells North America Zionist Initiative aka N.A.Z.I.
Israeli ,NEO CON, AIPAC inspired DICTATORSHIP .
Please read the NEO CON, PNAC trecherous traitor’s
“PATRIOT ACT”.
Ever here the term false flag .
It’s kind of how the KKK got strange fruit to grow on trees in the south.
AE9/11TRUTH.ORG, 9/11 Mysteris etc.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
“AGAIN….watch Loose Change and Terror Storm if you have not.”
I do not find the arguments made in Loose Change persuasive or credible. It doesn’t necessary mean they’re wrong — we all have our opinions — but I would prefer that, if they believe the claims have merit, they aggregate them and submit it for review as a thesis paper and publish it through a university press, so that it may be widely published and archived at JSTOR — assuming it withstands academic scrutiny. This would go a long way in legimitizing claims. I think most people, and rightfully so, are naturally leery of employing YouTube as a primary source of information.
Furthermore, Terror Storm is flat out dull in presentation and narration. Frankly, I could only stomach to the point of Alex’s cover of the Reichstag fire, which is a hotly contested subject among German historians. How much of it owed to van der Lubbe? Did the Nazis stage it? I think the verdict, barring some unforeseen evidence, is lost to history, and this is the consensus among German-speaking scholars who have reviewed the evidence. I would suggest investigating the matter through the works of Ian Kershaw or Hans Mommsen, and not Alex Jones.
February 29th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I’d like to know how learning to fly a Cessna 172 can allow you to be able to fly a 757 Airliner ? What’s even more amazing is how much money these jokers had ? I’ve always had to wait for a schedule to take any kind of training….man, they got training on the spot; non-stop too !
February 29th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
We obviously have a real “who & how done it”
Regardless of how popular or unpopular the evidence is, we can’t get the real answers without a thorough re-investigation.
I am sure if all the information were put upon a very large table and properly sifted for the “truth” regardless of who it may offend, that this mess would be resolved.
We can’t ever forget that there are many experts from all walks of life with genuinely special skills and abilities beyond that of the common individual. Many of these people have come forward, scientists, historians, Intel officers, engineers, etc., etc., and they are trying to tell us all something. Under these conditions, I believe it is very UNWISE to reduce this battle to bull in a China shop tactics, where might makes a right peeing contest. Right now, the worse thing we can do is to “shoot the messengers” which as history proves is in fact the propagandists best tactic.
Propaganda is corruption’s best friend going back to the early Catholic church, which insisted the earth was flat and orbited the sun because to admit otherwise would prove the church was wrong.
When the movement comes to persecute the truthers, that’s when we’ll all know for sure, that we have been right all along, so everyone let’s hang tough and together at getting to the bottom of this mess, in the name of justice, moral compass and the basic founding principles this great nation was at one time built upon.
IMO, one of the reasons our military men & women are have a real bad time of it, is because there are serious chinks in the armor of their of their patriotism, which is the result of psyops.
There is one type of military that can’t be beat, based upon the TRUTH, all the way to one’s soul, where the armor around one’s soul is based in honor, truth and moral compass, as sung in the Marine Corps Hym. When it comes from the heart with no chinks, there is no stopping that army and that is what we used to be, fearless Americans defending by oath and actions, the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic and to follow the military code. The first chink happens, the moment we ask our men and women in US uniform, to wear a light blue hat out of uniform, along with an arm band, support things like torture and shut up about it and then submit to fighting a mercenary war on behalf a foreign agenda, the CFR and the very undermining of this nation’s sovereignty.
I need a country that I love and trust, where our leaders obey and defend the Constitution and support and reward those that follow the US Military Code and defend our Constitution. If I must fight in a war, or lose a son to a war, then I MUST KNOW TO THE BOTTOM OF MY SOUL, that there are no chinks, no lies, no false intel or propaganda being used to hide the truth from my inner self. When are given the truth, there is nothing sweeter than serving and I want America back, based upon what is self evident and true from the foundry of the human soul. How does anyone think that wounded and dying men ever kept the flag raised without these qualities, knowing it to the brink and even death? It is this quality that has been taken from us and without this quality the neocons shall surely beat us and they know it.
Now lets get it back together America and run these crooks into the ground and prison. Be proud and be an American for once in your life!!!
Very sincerely
February 29th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
“he was killed execution style…….. with over ten shots to the head” – Alex Jones comedian
February 29th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Sounds like someone is threatend by what they fear hearing the most, that they bought a lie, just like a tuna on a fancy feather jig, that is hook, line & sinker.
Very
February 29th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
you cant handle the truth!
February 29th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
someone needsto make an alex jones soundboard that would so fukin genious/hilarious!!!!!!!!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
z.o.g. is a comedian also, makes me laugh lmao!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
I get it, you watch westerns and choo choo go on track and in tunnel – gone!
Perhaps you might also enjoy Afghan westerns, same thing only the cowboys ride camels – good too.
No facts – good, anger good too, go hit choo choo with rocks – good, anger good, facts bad, hmmm.
Go get em cowboy.
Very
March 1st, 2008 at 2:10 am
When you suspect that Alex Jones is in the employ of someone, you’ve gone off the deep end. This is one of the few times I will agree with Alex Jones fanboys: he’s completely independent. He expresses his own beliefs, and he receives no commission. He is accountable to virtually none.
Now, do his beliefs hold water? That’s another story entirely.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:29 am
Mike Rupert said it best, in that we have the evidence. The evidence is so overwhelmingly strong. What we don’t have is a case. Nobody is listening. We have had a the Zapruder film for 30 odd years and it has done us no good what so ever.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:18 am
Aaron, I agree with you totally.
When you consider that Homeland Security and the CAPS data base considers “one way flights” to be at the top of the suspicious behavior list, booked flights elsewhere and afterwards does not fit the pattern of a so called terrorist.
There are literally reams of this kind of speculative information and it does paint another picture IMO. Add to it the selling short of Airline stocks, stand down orders, NORAD’s war games going on that same day resulting in intercept chaos, the fact that PNAC was written ahead of time, along with the Patriot Act, Karen K’s written statements, etc., etc..
When you add in Daniel Elsberg’s original Pentagon papers and place it alongside declassified documents like Operation Northwoods, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the Oklahoma bombing live news film footage and the Supreme Court testimony on the 93 bombing of the WTC involving Emad Salem, well, we have far more than just a mere pattern of coincidence here.
If you add the new technologies industries which includes super computers and analog filtering sytems and ciphering the human genome, RFID chips, GPS location systems in cell phones and cars, internet spying, the fed having access to everyone’s medical files and pharmaceutical records, the CFR and open borders with the bird flu and forced vaccinations under the 2005 Pandemic Bill, it’s a GOLD MINE where the stakes are very high. We have literally entered a new stage in man’s evolution, or should I call it the “psyopps breeding & culling program.”
The events of 9/11 had to happen to justify the political and legislative changes necessary, for the global elite to get into position to capture this domino effect, allowing them access to the trillions being spent in these new found NWO markets and to control man’s destiny using frightening and undisclosed methods. This is more obvious than the fact that pine trees will produce sap and when they get big enough will also produce pine cones and one does not have to be a skilled psychic to understand it.
These are my own personal conclusions after reading many things like Smedly Butler’s, War Is A Racket, Daniel Elsberg’s – Pentagon Papers, Karen K’s – Pentagon Papers and the list goes on and on. In many ways it reminds me of the awareness that rats and mice will get into a grain silo where ever there is an opening and if there is no opening they will knaw at the walls until they succeed. Each of the pieces of evidence and examples I mention are clearly examples of the endless knawing efforts by rats and mice, that have finally breached our ember ways of grain and now they are in, as the idiots and mainstream show us pictures of the pretty silo, that looks to be in good condition from 100 yards away.
I find our situation to be totally pathetic as the many experienced salt of the earth farmers(historians and truthers) are doing their best to tell everyone we’ve got rats(terrorists) in our grain silos(treasonists) and it’s going to wipe out everything we’ve worked so hard for.
It’s like this older guy keeps comming around for young Sally. Mom is worried and we don’t know what they do on those long walks off in the hills and the guy keeps showing up, why does he do this??? And now Sally has gotten fat suddenly. Gee, I can’t undrstand what’s happening. I think that history and an awarness of the different sides of human nature, should be enough to make the case, unless we are all stupid.
Unfortunately we have a lot of people out there that have a historical and politiccal awareness of a child, and do not comprehend what the older guy and Sally are up to. When I was a kid I remember another kid that cried out, “he knew his mother and father never did things like that” and this is where many on this forum sit like bumps on a log today. And to make things worse they refuse to do their homework, so it looks like our work is really cut out before we see the light of day and some truth on the matter.
All of this is MY OPINION based upon MY EXPERIENCES, along with having read what really happens when. You don’t have to have lived in ancient times to understand the meaning of “poisioning the well” or the meaning and effects of propaganda & fear, or political prizes. All of this is really a no brainer when looking at the big picture, especially when considering the darker side of man’s history as the norm, rather than the exception, as history has proved time and time again. We have become a nation of very stupid people.
It is true that Alex is good at finding things to consider, but like anything he does mention, I do my own research at the US Archives, or read FOIA documents and make my own conclusions. I will admit that Alex makes a compelling arguement when he posts original copies of the Washington Post and the testimony from Emad Salem and the film footage that exists. I would suggest for those that don’t get it, to check these things out for themselves. Anyone that really want’s to challenge all of this should at least get a copy of the original news article from the WP and read it. But, I guess we’ve got folks that can’t read and want to yell when they don’t get it. I call that being really stupid and to think they are going to vote like some kind of brain dead zombie with the latest news paper in hand. Like, umm choo choo went in tunnel – gone, ummm, war good, pull lever, ummm, grunt, me angry and proud to be angry, belch. We are living in pathetic times.
Very sincerely
March 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Ok, so “some” folks in the peanut-gallery have moral & value cognitive dissonance issues with this “New [old] World Order” ideology. They just don’t appreciate the ruling-elite illuminati utilizing the Bilderberg Group for coordinating plans (e.g. middle-east road map) and implementing operational control of those key personnel -CFR and otherwise. Don’t like it when they hear about the million+ Iraqi civilians killed,
3-4 million wounded and a couple million refugees displaced to adjacent countries.
While thinking out-of-the-box , one might consider, or acknowledge that the intelligence community reports indirectly to this Illuminati (Rockefellers and Rothschilds), and that its possible they have a compassionate handle on this gig. Have you considered that even the Alex Jones radio and DVD show might be NSA-CIA manipulated (without his knowledge)…after-all they haven’t shut him down…-yet.
I admit that I’m just another retired Govn’t employee (in the know) who can’t speak outright, but I have shown those 911 and false-flag/black-Ops Alex Jones videos to many intelligent Govn’t staff officers of various services, including DOD civilians. And, yes, they do look-on in horror when, they observe those demo-squibs shooting out the WTC towers 10-15 floors below the collapsing floor.
And again when they view different camera angles of WTC-7 (Solomon Bldg) controlled demolition falling into its own foot-print with record speed. Then they see and hear Larry Silverstein admitting that Bldg #7 was “pulled.” But after viewing the videos, most of them walk off bewildered and mumbling to themselves. I’ve learned to wait a few days before quarrying them for an opinion about the videos; they usually respond with something like: “Oh, I don’t know, I guess it could have went down that way, but what can we do about it now….”
I think most of the human-species today are program-wired unconsciously via corporate news media to believe whatever they’re shown/told on the tube. And for the smart corporate and Govn’t leaders who know the truth about 911, they play along or else; remember, corporate leaders must satisfy their stock-holders & constituents, or get the axe like any others who went/go public.
Still there are others who are so focused on self (ego-centric) or survival oriented that just can’t conceptualize a conspiracy even if they were helping lay the demmo. But I’m starting to believe that the majority just don’t give-a-rat about the truth, someone being held accountable, the reason for such a crime or whatever…they appear high on apathy and low on empathy.
Besides, absence of violence, what the hell can anyone do about it anyway; the people on
Capitol Hill and the Bilderbergs know that also. Just watch as several hundred thousand anti-war protesters in Washington DC passed before their offices and you’ll see the Pres., VP and Congressmen alike stand in their windows flipp’n-the-bird at the protesters, because they know their fascist police-state can handle violent dissidents with FEMA barbed-wire, state sponsored bio/chem attacks, etc. I’ll bet it’s already programmed in their computer(s). Maybe the apathetic mass have the best solution…just accept it, lay down and die with some dignity…a facial smile will do -have a nice day.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
to Triple -spook.
I agree . The majority coudn’t care less. why should they. Wise people only care about things they can change. Maybe it is for the best. Maybe fewer people will lose their lives in the long run, after all we have to trust those we elect to govern us. During the last war ( and probably every other war) there were sacrifices made of small groups for the benefit of larger groups . History records the sacrifices of many small groups who ‘fought to the last round and the last man’ so that many more would be saved. It is natural to want yo know the truth, or why one is giving ones life. Let it go. If you sign up , you obey orders, even if they ask you to jump off a cliff. Just remember , there is no after life, only the here and now.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I honestly believe that unless the JFK assassination, and (at least) the events of 911 are not openly investigated by an independent law enforcement panel, with engineers and scientists included, the USA is a dead duck. Nothing would please the Bush crime-family more…and doing nothing insures the continued growth of the wealth and power they have accumulated. They are the single most powerful family on the planet. The Rothschilds cannot order massive attacks around the world with nuclear weapons….GWB can & probably will, if anyone threatens to take away his stolen power.
The unique aspects that made America “special” and better in the past….is past…never to be seen again in our lifetimes. When/if you are actually allowed to cast a vote for ANY office, at any level of government …remember who gave us this guy , packaged as a normal person and “true” American.
We must hold these political parties accountable, or we will never end this cycle of presidential bozo’s.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
We must hold these political parties accountable, or we will never end this cycle of presidential bozo’s
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the military has already refused to ship nukes to the east, generals said they would resign if bush ordered an attack on iran.
i think the bush crime family has seen the end their days here in america.
people are waking up.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
most people are not ignorant zog
alex is just a young man doing the best he can.
he’s done a hell of a lot more them your sorry ass.
it takes a real coward to condemn someone on the front lines while hiding behind their puter all safe and comfy.
to be honest, i think you are a jew.
mommy and daddy must have forced you to go..and wear the little beaner.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I almost always get frisked when I get on an aeroplane. I can see the terror in their eyes not knowing how I am going to react and how far they can touch. Seems to me that the individual security guards would do more if they could. I wonder at times if they know who is on what list so they can “handle” them accordingly.
Rhonda
PS: THis is comment number 71
March 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm
From my point of view ,there is done enough investigation .Its time for action now , round up the real people behind 9.11 ,all the Yews in banking media(cover up) and in your politics. (Mossat &Cia) Listen to Brother Nathanael (website) Real Yew News. Take action before it is to late and the whole world will chance into HELL. And Stop Israel now ,see The Palestinians genocide .DO,nt let that happen again.!!!!Stop supporting Israel ,for They are NOT the choosen people. Gods choosen people are all who are understanding the Love of HIS Son Jezus The Christ For ever. Paul van den akker , Dordrecht The Netherlands.