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  • Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon

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    Gun Owners of America
    November 4, 2009

    We have reached the point in the battle over ObamaCare which will decide whether we win or lose.

    The details of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s bill are in, and they can be seen at http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf .

    The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word “gun” or “firearm,” that doesn’t mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.

    For starters, this bill will — like all the ObamaCare versions before it — most likely result in all of your gun-related health data being dumped into a government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned… or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.

    The bill will also create special “wellness” programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles — and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that “no guns” is somehow healthier.

    The bill purports to cut Medicare by $500 billion — in a move which will result in massive rationing for seniors, while ultimately adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.

    The bill will mandate that you purchase expensive government-approved policies and will (according to some studies) triple your insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements.

    Of course, this all means that you will have less money to spend on pursuing your real passions — like providing for your family and purchasing guns and ammunition!

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    ACTION: Write your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose this bill. Don’t be discouraged by reports in the liberal media which have tried to tell us — since January — that this battle is hopeless. We can win, and, with your help, we will win.

    You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to send the pre-written message below to your Representative.

    —– Pre-written letter —–

    Dear Representative:

    The Pelosi health care bill, sponsored by Rep. Dingell, has now been made public.

    For starters, this bill will — like all the ObamaCare versions before it — most likely result in all gun-related health data being dumped into the government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information that doctors have gleaned… or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude a person from owning firearms.

    The bill will also create special “wellness” programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles — and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that “no guns” is somehow healthier.

    The bill will, according to some studies, triple insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements — while mandating that Americans purchase expensive government-approved policies.

    But, perhaps most instructively, there is this: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid promised to produce a $900 billion bill which would not add “one dime” to the deficit.

    This bill will cost $1.3 trillion and will increase the deficit by AT LEAST $150 billion.

    The only way Pelosi or the Congressional Budget Office can continue to pretend to the contrary is to take $247 billion in bill costs and slip them through in separate legislation.

    In short, this process is fraudulent.

    I have many issues with this legislation. And so I urge you to oppose this legislation and keep the government from inserting itself even more into my everyday life.

    Sincerely,

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    100 Responses to “Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon”

    1. tilts Says:

      :0) 1

      SPIRITBLADE Reply:

      “It’s just a GOD-DAMNED PIECE OF PAPER.”

      *- SPIRITBLADE

      totenkopf Reply:

      if you let somebody take away your guns, then you didn’t deserve them in the first place.

      David Reply:

      http://www.gunguys.com/

      ^^^^Check out these dumbasses

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Pretty sad commentary coming from that website you linked! Unfortunately, they’re NOT dumb-asses in the genuine sense, they are badly mistaken and ill-informed ( not to mention that there are plenty of “rights-deniers” paid for by the Brady Center and Johns Hopkins Center ). It is just absolutely silly to equate “pro-Second Amendment” support with ‘madness’ or ‘insanity’! Plus, this all demonstrates the mindset of psychologically-manipulated slaves.

      I have very little stomach for the games these “deniers” play!

      Pretty somber postings!!!

      Pastor Jeff Reply:

      2 things:

      #1

      “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh the his name in vain.” Exodus Chapter 20, verse 7.

      # 2

      “Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Luke 22:36.

      SPIRITBLADE Reply:

      1) That paper is damned of the Living God.

      2) Been broadcasting Luke 22 for decades.

      SPIRITBLADE Reply:

      and i have NEVER taken my Lord’s name in vain.

      One way or the other Reply:

      It will be the piece of paper that breaks the camels back.

      Oathkeeper84 Reply:

      Quoting George W. Bush, Spiritblade?

    2. tilts Says:

      hmm:0) 1st

      arwijn Reply:

      BAN Firsters IP adresses!

      Doomer Reply:

      dont get so angry man, if u were going to comment and there were no comments yet, i bet u would put “1st” as well

      Marc Reply:

      not if you have half a brain!

      It's not AJ It's You Reply:

      Alex has been getting hit harder than ever by the anti-Semites like no other.

      Last year it was the anti-Catholic crowd, the year before that it was the William Cooper cult, now it’s the “Jewish people behind it all crowd”.

      I’m guessing next year, the cointelpro blitz will be anti-masonic or radical blacks.

      All of your tricks don’t work.

      The republic is under attack, and you fools blame it all on a group. You should blame the man in the mirror for the problems going on.

      Your football watching keeps that industry in tune. Your drug use keeps the War on Drugs going. Your bad diet is keeping the medical industrial complex thriving. Your cigarette smoking is keeping that industry going. Your Wal-mart and Target shopping keeps the third world sweatshops going. Your use of B of A or Chase keeps those criminals from running their fractional reserve fraud. Watching Hollywood movies keeps those pseudo-royalty in business. Buying iTunes keeps the record label industry in tune. Using Microsoft computers as opposed to GNU/Linux allows Bill Gates to donate more to Eugenics programs such as Planned Parenthood.

      It’s not the Jewish, the Vatican, the masons, the UFOs, or AJ causing the world’s problems…IT”S YOU!

      Now that you are “awake” then do something about it!

      INGSOCtraitor Reply:

      INGSOC has information the infowars webmaster is going to block IP addresses of stupid 1st posters. Apparently it’s considered by FATHER to be useless airhead time wasting.

      Long live FATHER! Long live INGSOC!

      john Reply:

      It’s not AJ It’s You – class observation!

      william b travis Reply:

      not to worry you won t be getting any healthcare anyway
      so fuck em

      Justin Thought Reply:

      I kind of like the firsters. It gives the rest of us something to hang our comments on, and kinda keep them toward the top.

      Now, to the topic at hand, I find it funny, we told congress in no uncertain terms we didn’t want the bailout. So they passed the bailout, putting us all deeper in debt. We told congress in no uncertain terms that we don’t want the healthcare bill, so they’re going to pass it anyway, putting us yet deeper into debt this sound like a group of people, elected to serve the American people, who are doing their job?

      If your answer is no, I ask you, what is the appropriate response when an employee goes against the bosses desires and performs actions that are detrimental to the organization? Fire ‘em, right?

      I keep saying, on a state level, we must make a unified effort to fire the United States of America Corporation. We could try to fix it, but we’ve tried that before. You can’t get the people who pass the laws to pass laws that will limit their ability to rake in the cash. It just doesn’t work.

      Fire the “federal government,” fire the fed, repudiate the debts they will undoubtedly claim the states now owe them (look up “onerous debt”), and start from scratch. There are over two centuries of mistakes we can learn from IF we should decide to created a very limited “federal” umbrella to help with coordination of the states.

      But we urgently need to act, right now. The USACorp is getting ready to obligate us to a worldwide agreement that will be very difficult for the states to get out of.

      This is more urgent than what’s happening on the TV, at the sports arena, even in Austin Texas. It’s even more important than pressing refresh on Infowars.com so you can post “first” on that new story that shows up.

    3. Keep It Realer Says:

      Its funny how the people pushing for these bills have their own security, while you and me are left out here to be good obedient victims. I will write every one of these officials if I have to.

    4. 322skull Says:

      Rothschild says when pigs fly…??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZXEc4y6R0

    5. Serfdumb Says:

      I can’t believe you post this crap Alex. You’re credibility is fading fast.

      Yoda Reply:

      Yeah! Where is all Britney spears articles all other sites are posting?! She have a new music video out now!!!

      Serfdumb Reply:

      Hey Yoda, aren’t you supposed to be at a Star Trek convention. It might be time to move out of your parents basement oh wise one. Look at the byline and the 2nd sentence and you will see what I am talking about. There is some great stuff posted on this site but this article is not one of them. Trying to link the healthcare reform legislation to the 2nd amendment is a little too much of a stretch. I know the “Force” has a light side and a dark side and binds the universe together but so does duct tape. You can’t believe everything you read.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Actually, I would have appreciated it if this article had referenced sections in the bill and specifically quoted those sections so that we could be MORE directly informed! This article was done rather hastily while leaving out some important parts to uphold its claims. NOT what I would call very good journalism!

      Alex, you or your editor are slipping on this one! We need to see the actual references to this bill so that some of us will be able to read for ourselves those particular sections.

      WakeUp Reply:

      Hey Serfdumb, his “credibility is fading” you say? Where? Among whom, Americans in general? How would you explain his huge popularity surge? Maybe you need to get off the Huffington Post and get outside more often. In case you haven’t noticed, freedom is becoming popular again.

      If you challenge credibility because he posts information released by major organizations who are watching over the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I would challenge your authority to judge one’s credibility at all. I know it might be impossible for you, but try to read such articles from the standpoint of a political athiest. Perhaps the notion of freedom will eventually take root within you. I hope it does, brother. The hour is getting late.

      Serfdumb Reply:

      Alex is credibility losing credibility because guns cause a lot of harm to society. Gun control is not a bad thing, contrary to what Jones says.

      WakeUp Reply:

      And you base your information on what? Feelings?

      Do you have ANY idea why the 2nd Amendment was written?? It had nothing to do with hunting or shooting sports. It has to do with the citizenry’s ability to defend the Republic against a tyrannical government. What is the first thing a tyrannical government woudl want to then do? That’s right! Disarm the citizenry!

      It’s the same principle on the streets. The predators prey on the helpless. If someone is capable of shooting back, they would never even bother to try something.

      Man, I hope you’re not a father. Who would you expect to defend your family if the need ever arose? Teh police? Do you have any idea about typical response times? I do. I worked with the LAFD for 15 years. If you think cops can – or even exist – to protect you, then I feel sorry for you and your family, my friend, because you have truly been fooled.

      Serfdumb Reply:

      Please don’t post in my name.(Alex is credibility)I am actually a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I’m not sure how trying to connect gun control with healthcare reform is watching over the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Seems more like they are just trying to confuse the issues. Political atheists are fictional creatures and tell “In Country” to get off all fours and walk like a man, not an ape.

      waycoolsnoopy Reply:

      I would submit that a “healthcare reform” bill of the size and consequences of this one could potentially affect any activity including gun rights. Do not think for a minute that those despicable bastards will not attempt to connect whatever activities they do not like with healthcare.

      Serfdumb Reply:

      quit posting in my name!

      SPIRITBLADE Reply:

      Perhaps you could ACT like YOU are losing interest.

      Around here, that crap don’t fly Ace.

      billjo@hotmail.com Reply:

      Weapons put healthy food on my table.
      Rifles are excellent for training youth attention to detail, character, marksmanship, and it builds responsibility and sense of freedom and citizenship.
      Weapons are the ONLY bastion against all out tyranny, behind education.
      The right to keep and bear arms is the only difference between a free republic and the slippery slope to something else.
      Force, check and balance, counter check, remains in the legislature as long as sides choose to be civil, but when civility is lost players return to the battlefield.
      Taking away a free citizenry’s right to bear modern battle ready weapons opens a door that only the power hungry want.

      Take your ignorant, unhistorical, unpatriotic, non freedom loving communist self back into the Obama administration Serfdumb.

      The name says it all.

      Michelle Reply:

      I love my guns…i can hit an empty 12 guage shotgun cartridge at 110 yards using my 22 with iron sights.

      But i don’t see anything wrong with saying someone who has PTSD, or has schizophrenia or w/e shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun….it would be just stupid to say everyone in the country has a right to have the power to kill someone when they can’t even ponder how to wield it properly.

      Michelle Reply:

      ps…when did communism come into the debate? like seriously

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Serfdumb, ” Guns don’t CAUSE a darn thing! Guns are inanimate objects incapable of CAUSING anything!!! ” Just such a “slave response”!!!

      joel Reply:

      michelles my kind of woman.i’ll bet they dont realize how ignorant they sound.thats like them saying 1/3 of the population is black,and 2/3 of violent crime is committed by black.now i know every man,woman,and child that happens to be black is not criminals.

      joel Reply:

      i also agree with D’s eye.a gun will sit there till it rots and returns to the earth it came.till some dumbass comes along and picks it up.pop quiz.guess what kills more people daily than any war,disease,or famine?automobiles.they aint in no hurry to take those away.no way, its to lucritive.

      dewclaw Reply:

      Maybe with a 10/22 and 50 or 100 rds till you hit it…

    6. shah Says:

      the time to stand and fight is near we out number them

      BANKERS ONLY 1/2 THE FAULT Reply:

      You and me are the other half. We had a free country but it was you and I who let it go.

      Federal Reserve
      America got Bankrupt
      They shot presidents and we let it go.
      Nixon took gold totally out of money
      Free trade, NAFTA, GATT and now the NAU
      1st WTC bombing, Desert Storm, Waco,Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, 911, Afghanistan,Iraq II,
      now they want you guns.
      Do we ever learn?

      Corpulent Dumbass Reply:

      Nope.

      Sageofold Reply:

      Wow Bankers Half,
      That rant sounds just like a Billy Joel song from the 80’s.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Actually, We, the People had no real control over when the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was passed into law! That act was voted on by only SIX SENATORS in a “back room deal” late into Dec 23rd, 1913!

      Where We, the People failed was when the Feds used National Guard and other military to threaten our grandparents into giving up their Gold and their guns! At that time, the citizenry outnumbered and out-armed the government agents enough to take a stand. They chose NOT to stand their ground then!!! I was told of a story where ‘grown men’ let the government coerce them into ‘giving up’ without a fight!!! ** Such Chicken-hawks!!! **

      We had our chance, then, to back off the banksters and their sick game, but the supposed ‘Americans’, then, just backed down!!!! ** Disgraceful!!! **

      So, Mr/Ms “Bankers . . .”, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

    7. joey Says:

      You think they take these letters seriously? Doesn’t congress have a 15% approval rating? Like they will listen to the people now..

    8. joey Says:

      You think they take these letters seriously? Doesn’t congress have a 15% approval rating? Like they will listen to the people now.. The only way they will take us serious is if we round them all up.

    9. Joe Says:

      Watch Fall Of The Republic in full version and educate yourself online at: http://www.joemarquis.com/videos.htm

      I took the time to build an area within my own business website where you can educate yourself by watching in Highest Quality full versions of Alex Jone’s and other’s DVD’s. A great place to start if your new or old and want to learn about the New World Order.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Yay! I’ll get to see some of his other videos too!

      dewclaw Reply:

      Check out libertywheel.com for Fema camp, Fema’s plastic coffins, guillotines and NWO videos

    10. Robert M Says:

      To call this bill, however screwy it may be, an anti-gun bill is totally stupid.

      IT IS WHAT IT IS Reply:

      Robert, it’s not when you consider the fact that they tried to include mandatory gun regulation in an obligatory “IRS” tax code revision, making it mandatory for every citizen to register and pay a registration fee for all handguns owned, thus giving a database of gun ownership. Nothing’s black and white with these people. It’s not a Government of the people, by the people, and for the people anymore. It’s a Government against the people, above the people, and to screw the people now.

      soldier Reply:

      I’ll just say someone stole my firearm. There, problem solved.

      Michelle Reply:

      So…it’s an anti-gun bill because the government is against us??…….seriously

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      You could always go check out the differences in the “Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917″, before AND after the amendments to it from 1933! THAT is when the American People BECAME the enemy to this ‘government’! THAT is WHEN this ‘government’, in pen and paper, declared war on its people!

      Now! Anymore stupid comments???

    11. keith4130 Says:

      3 things the NWO banker traitor scum hate most:

      1) the goyim cattle waking up
      2) guns
      3) the freedom of the internet

      F the NWO, if the constitution goes out, the guns are going to come out, and they aren’t going to stop it.

      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    12. In Country Says:

      Serf Dumb and Yoda,Beavis and butt head or fart and sniff F You punk Ass dip shits Keep the F off This Site Dumb shits, read the first HR3200 and also read HR45, F sticks like you Just hang around to find Human Contact losers! Go back to daddy George Soros and Mama Hillary and suck more Tete worthless tets on a bore.

      Come On Down to Texas and talk Shit ! Lock and load!

    13. Moe Woe Says:

      An insane world equals the Spiritual Kingdom Jesus taught becoming a reality when he returns.

      laid backer Reply:

      if they even listen… Obviously we are going to shit, we are in a living Hell… A New Atlantis. I totally agree.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Yeah! But you left one detail out of the picture: The NWO,Inc. OWNS your churches!!! They want you to believe that pap so that you’ll do nothing but wait!!!

      dewclaw Reply:

      Not all of us are just gonna sit and wait…..

    14. Dave Says:

      I’m not bothered by these “sneaky anti-gun bills” being passed,I say have them come out and demand an outright ban,then we can politely say FU! and get this show on the road.
      You see,the sooner we can get them to show their real intentions,the sooner we can set them right.

    15. BuyAMMO&GUNSnow!!! Says:

      BUY AMMO / FIREARMS BEFORE IT TOO LATE!!!!!!!

    16. Ben Says:

      Pack a gun and pay no tax.

    17. cooper Says:

      They want to take our guns away BEFORE martial law. We have to stop this.

    18. SilverWolf Says:

      I Have Maintained For About Twenty Years Now That When The Balloon Goes Up It Will Be Over Firearms! When The American Revolution Took Place It Was Amongst Other Things Because The British Tried To Seize The Colonists “Liberty Teeth”! Well The Second American Revolution Is About To Take Place! Only This Time The Tyrants Arent Foreign Theyre Domestic!

      billjo@hotmail.com Reply:

      the spark itself was British intention to seize the armory and caches of the colonists, they didnt find much
      HA!

      But what they did find was a peaceful people not interested in rolling over to tyranny yet again

      Long Live the Patriot!

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Problem is, YOU’RE WAITING FOR THE “OTHER SHOE” TO DROP! Why not start doing those “freedom-oriented” activities now???

      All your waiting is doing is giving the globalists more time to react!!!

      Justin Thought Reply:

      If we fire first, we are wrong. They can legislate until they’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t mean we have to follow their orders.

      Come and get my guns? Sure, c’mon in. My neighbors see your car out there, and they’ll be here in a minute so we can all have a little pow-wow. How you leave, toes up or toes forward, depends on you.

      dewclaw Reply:

      There has to be a Civil War again soon. I hope it’s more organized than me shootin em at my door and you all shootin em at your doors.

    19. OZONE Says:

      Alex is still and is totally missing the point of a what he him self has called “global dictatorship”. His sort of delusional thinking is going to get a whole bunch of “us” in trouble, while most of “us” are awakening to the “world conspiracy” not just the one going on in the US. He and his followers for what ever reason still believe that through congress, and filing some documents or buying guns and ammo will save their precious country… this is delusional thinking. He needs to wake up himself and get out of this mind set, its too late to try and save a piece of land. What we need to do now is join together as a world species just like they are doing! Anyway those are my 2 cents and if you don’t like it well then your mother is a whore! :)

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Dude! We’re ALREADY IN TROUBLE!!! I think you are totally MISSING THE POINT!

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      Michelle Reply:

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    21. whoa dude Says:

      YOU ARE NOT GETTING MY GUNS OR MY AMMO!! allsortsofthings.weebly.com

    22. X Says:

      Write your Representative. As we all know, they are SO responsive to our needs and wishes.

      dewclaw Reply:

      Yeah, they listened so well that they’re gonna be fired come the elections. They’re all so rich anyhow…they’ll survive. We need ordinary people in there next time….Who wants to campaign????

    23. John G Says:

      Cashed out of all B of A savings today—buying silver. CASHOUT OUT NOW BEFORE THE G20 THIS WEEKEND REVEALS IT’S DUMPING THE US PRIVATE FED RESERVE NOTE / DOLLAR!

    24. CO Had Enough Says:

      Does Nancy Pelosi act like a female Mr. Magoo to anyone else? She kind of mumbles and seems like the kind of complete push over that the NWO would want as speaker OTH because she’ll do whatever she’s told, probably in bed too… yuck.

    25. BattleHardened Says:

      He has’t to inforce it, don’t watch right hand watch left hand instead.

      Justin Thought Reply:

      Seems like it might be some good advice, if we could figure out what it was…

      BattleHardened Reply:

      If its not on the major news networks and you hear it here, its a good bet its his left hand

    26. dontcarryaguntheyllgetyou Says:

      I’m not gonna worry about any of it. When the time comes,i’ll shoot and so will millions of others. Many people are being quiet but they are speaking loudly by what they are buying.People do not trust the government so they do not speak out.They do not even trust webpages that ask for memberships as they do not want to be on lists.When the time comes,if outright tyranny comes,billions of bullets will be put to good use.

      BattleHardened Reply:

      Amen 3%er

      Ben Reply:

      You are battle-hardened, I am shackle-hardened.

      BattleHardened Reply:

      I’ve got a min grinder it should sove the problem.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Your just another “WaitER”! Lot of good you’ll do?!?

    27. Oregonian Says:

      Michelle sounds kinda like Princess Tiffany….

    28. 322skull Says:

      Rothschild says prep them…??? http://shavemyyeti.com/

    29. tumbler Says:

      The weeds have become manifest, ready to harvest. Keep stocking up. Keep the message going.

      I was born kicking, screaming and covered with some else’s blood. For the future of humanity, I have no problem going out the same way. I’m am ready and good out to 600 yds.
      They aren’t going to protect their moles, they will throw them in the camps too. Then what?

      dewclaw Reply:

      Don’t need a 600 yd’er in the Capital building….

    30. Olavin Says:

      Are there people that actually think it’s a good thing to give up their Second Amendment Right? That’s idiotic. If you give up one right, it sets a precedent for other amendment rights to be abolished. It’s only logical. I fail to see why people are even arguing on this point. Unless people willingly want to give themselves up to be slaves. But that would just be retarded.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      History is repeating itself!

    31. curticuss Says:

      This is something a real Americian said, and ment. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS. anough said .

    32. mrazpatriot Says:

      Serdumb, your name fits you. You really are DUMB!

    33. Sir Fuxxalot Says:

      Just wait until all the welfare addled sheeple go to the store and swipe their welfare debit cards in the register and there aint no money on their cards !!!!!

      All these dumbshit people have absolutely no idea what’s going to whack them between the eyes. They’ll just roll over and let themselves be raped by a broken bottle by the Man.

      Not me. Nope.

    34. Toecutter Says:

      We can only wait for them to move against for with force.

      Dragon's Eye Reply:

      Then it’s too late! They’ve already been doing this! Have you forgotten about Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc ??? They’ve already used excessive force on small groups of people! When are you going to see that history has already shown the tendencies of tyrants to go from one “group” of ‘demons’ to another???

    35. dewclaw Says:

      Yeah. They forget real quick. It’s gonna end up bein 4 or 5 of us out there tryin to take em all on. We’re doomed, but it’ll feel good to die for somethin I really believe in.

    36. Veteran Says:

      Forget phoning or writing congress. They have chosen their fate. Do two things: prepare to fight with weapons but first take it to the streets with protests and whole country strikes. Once they attack you, and they shall, then and only then, lock and load and start shooting. You government fucks caN PASS ALL THE BS LAWS YOU WISH, i shall not ever give up my weapons.

    37. Texas IdentityCrisis Says:

      It has finally started! Watch online the restoration of the Constitution! Continental Congress meets Nov. 11 – 22. Watch at cc2009.us