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Are You a ‘Violent Extremist’? FBI’s Analytical Lexicon Lowers the Bar
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Tom Burghardt
Antifascist Calling
November 3, 2008
Do you "pal around with terrorists"? Are you a "radical" or express views that the government considers "extremist"?
On October 28, the whistleblowing website Cryptome published the FBI Directorate of Intelligence: Counterterrorism Division’s Counterterrorism Analytical Lexicon. This eye-opening "Unclassified/For Official Use Only" (U/FOUO) document purports "to standardize terms used in the FBI analytical products dealing with counterterrorism."
But what it does instead, in keeping with the FBI’s insatiable appetite for "actionable intelligence product," is create new categories of individuals who might fall under the purview of state "counterterrorism" investigations.
Right up front the Bureau informs us that the definitions used in the lexicon, "do not supercede those in the Department of Justice National Foreign Intelligence Program Manual (NFIPM), the Attorney General Guidelines, the National Implementation Plan for the War on Terror, or any US government statute."
That covers a lot and ground and can hide much in the way of government mischief, particularly when new guidelines issued by U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey permit broad, intrusive investigations by FBI snoops. As the Washington Post reported in early October,
The new road map allows investigators to recruit informants, employ physical surveillance and conduct interviews in which agents disguise their identities in an effort to assess national security threats. FBI agents could pursue each of those steps without any single fact indicating a person has ties to a terrorist organization. (Carrie Johnson, "Guidelines Expand FBI’s Surveillance Powers," The Washington Post, Saturday, October 4, 2008; A03)
In response, the American Civil Liberties Union warned that,
The new guidelines reduce standards for beginning "assessments" (precursors to investigations), conducting surveillance and gathering evidence, meaning the threshold to beginning investigations across the board will be lowered. More troubling still, the guidelines allow a person’s race or ethnic background to be used as a factor in opening an investigation, a move the ACLU believes may institute racial profiling as a matter of policy. ("ACLU Condemns New FBI Guidelines," Press Release, October 3, 2008)
In other words, an individual’s political views, racial background or ethnic origin can serve as a pretext for an investigation. The Analytical Lexicon claims that "Analysis that labels an individual with any of these terms is not sufficient predication for any investigation or technique. Nor can any investigation be conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the First Amendment or the lawful exercise of other rights secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States."
The next sentence, couched in overly broad language subject to a great deal of latitude on the part of investigators states: "Before applying a label to an individual or his or her activity, reasonable efforts should have been made to ensure the application of that label to be accurate, complete, timely, and relevant." (emphasis added)
Would, let’s say, the word of a paid informant or provocateur, be considered a "reasonable effort" that would then lead to labelling an individual as a member of a "terrorist cell" or "network"?
Indeed, the Lexicon avers that "one or more terms from each of these categories can be used to characterize an individual and his or her background and activity. The applicability of these terms to an individual is generally a matter of degree and involves subjective judgments."
"Subjective judgments" by whom, and for what purpose, one might reasonably ask the Directorate of Intelligence. As has been amply documented in the case of antiwar activists targeted by the Maryland State Police (MSP), once individuals have been labeled "terrorists" their personal details disappear into a myriad of federal, state and local "extremist" databases.
During a 14 month period in 2005-2006 for example, the Maryland State Police and the MSP’s Homeland Security and Intelligence Division (HSID), illegally spied on death penalty opponents and antiwar organizers.
Surveillance summaries, including names and personal details gathered on individuals and groups were entered into the Washington-Baltimore High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) database, a federal data mining "tool" which tracks suspected terrorists and shares the results with national "counterterrorist" Fusion Centers.
The Washington Post reported that one "well-known antiwar activist from Baltimore, Max Obuszewski, was singled out in the intelligence logs released by the ACLU, which described a "primary crime" of ‘terrorism-anti-government’ and a ’secondary crime’ of ‘terrorism-anti-war protesters’."
According to documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland, labeled "Exhibit 2" in the report issued by Stephen E. Sachs, "show that there was communication between the MSP and the National Security Agency (NSA) regarding surveillance," the ACLU reported.
Spying and repression by "off the reservation" state and local agencies dependent on federal largess hasn’t been limited to Maryland, nor are intelligence operations targeting peaceful protest and constitutionally-protected speech limited to the FBI or Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Such operations in fact, fit a discernible and troubling pattern that for decades has equated dissident political activity with "subversion."
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As Mike Van Winkle, a spokesperson with the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center (CATIC) infamously told the Oakland Tribune back in 2003, "You can make an easy kind of a link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that’s being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that (protest). You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act."
There you have it, the criminalization of dissent.
No reasonable person would oppose law enforcement officials investigating criminal gangs who might threaten Americans with horrific attacks such as those perpetrated on September 11, 2001 by the Afghan-Arab database of disposable Western intelligence assets known as al Qaeda.
But as numerous media reports, Congressional investigators and indeed, the 9/11 Commission itself have documented: despite multiple occasions before the plot was executed, law enforcement and intelligence officials failed to act.
Indeed, these serial failures–whether through commission or omission–can be characterized as criminal negligence, a prosecutable offense that could result in jail time. Yet not a single official was ever held to account. On the contrary the worst offenders, including senior administrators in the FBI, CIA and NSA were awarded plum promotions or assumed well-compensated corporate positions within the military-industrial-security complex!
My purpose here is not to debate various theories regarding 9/11 or its subsequent cover-up, but rather to demonstrate that in the wake of those horrific attacks, state intelligence agencies pointed their formidable surveillance apparatus at the American people themselves. This tendency is prominently featured in the FBI’s Analytical Lexicon where we discover:
US-Radicalized: A "US-radicalized" individual’s primary social influence has been the cultural values and beliefs of the United States and whose radicalization and indoctrination began or occurred primarily in the United States.
Ideologue or propagandist: An "ideologue" or "propagandist" establishes, promotes, or disseminates justifications for violent extremism, often through manipulation of primary text materials such as religious texts or historical accounts that establish grievances. He or she may not have strong links to any terrorist organization or be integrated into an organization’s command structure. Unless he or she directly advocates specific acts of violence, much of such an individual’s activity might be constitutionally protected. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Counterterrorism Analytical Lexicon," Washington, D.C., no date, pp. 4-5)
As we have seen over the years since 9/11, the grounds for launching "counterterrorism" investigations have shifted from directly targeting intelligence and/or terrorist operatives on U.S. soil, to American dissidents and their supporters, the vast majority of whom are antiwar, environmental, civil liberties, socialist and labor activists.
Indeed, millions of Americans have questioned "the cultural values and beliefs of the United States," particularly when they have challenged the Bush regime’s doctrine of aggressive, preemptive war or the systematic looting of the economy by capitalist grifters.
The Lexicon, while affirming that the theoretical or investigative work of alleged "ideologues" and "propagandists"–such as investigative journalists or historians–"might be constitutionally protected," the bar is set very low here and this too, fits the Bureau’s own historical ideological mindset that dissent = terrorism.
And when citizens band together to form, let’s say, an antiwar committee, environmental action group or labor organizing task force, the Lexicon designates this "a network."
Network: A "network" is any group of two or more individuals that is tied together by communication or common associations. A network is distinguished from a cell in that a network does not work together toward a discrete common objective, although all the members might ideologically support a common goal. Any individual’s associations can typically be described in terms of multiple networks. (FBI, op. cit., p.
Citizens would be naïve to think that the terms described in the Analytical Lexicon wouldn’t be applied to them or that the Bureau’s current investigative guidelines will not become the basis for new political witch hunts against Americans.
As we have seen throughout these eight long, dark years of the Bush administration, the geopolitical machinations of the U.S. ruling class have created nothing but disaster and suffering. From Afghanistan to Iraq and from Hurricane Katrina to the ongoing nightmare that is "Hurricane America" in the form of the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout, ruling elites will do everything in their power to "keep the rabble in line."
In a political culture such as this, we have all become "suspects."
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November 3rd, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Killa, Inside job 911 was an. Yea MCB
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Surely being best friends with the biggest Terrorist Bin Laden and being in business with his family has got to fall somewhere in possible terrorist links??
Maybe having private meetings with the mastermind of 9/11 prior to the attacks should raise suspicion of possible ties to terrorist groups.
Oh, I forget. Sen. Stevens, Palin, Biden, and Bush family are above the Law.
You and I cannot even voice opposing political views without being guilty of Terrorism and threat to Homeland Security.
But they are allowed diplomatic immunity from any actions that might be viewed as illegal in a court of justice.
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
It’s very disturbing, if what you are saying is true. That means the real responsible (in your point of view) has not been capture. The government (who is or could be considered an entity in itself) could be playing u.
You must know about collective entity, every country is one. One day I took a walk in Jurrasik Park and saw that all the fence were down. It was indeed pretty frighting.
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
i don’t know what to say,,,, god save king george!
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Screw them all! What our forefathers gave us was priceless, but slowly WE the people are consistently letting “them” get away with it. I used to be all for everything the govt does to “protect” us citizens, but I started waking up especially when they STOPPED profiling the very people that supposedly “attacked” us, so if that means middle aged Americans are now profiled does that mean that is exactly who attacked us? Not Muslims? Hmmmmmmmm Makes you wonder who the real enemy is, no wonder the govt is trying to whittle away our most sacred document the Constitution because of the preamble giving the American people the AUTHORITY to replace a corrupt govt. (Mind you that does not mean in any way replacing by violent overthrow but by voting the corrupt out and replacing with true Americans that are for the people!) So if they want to place me on a no fly list because I exercise my right to free speech then f^@& them. GO CONSTITUTION! 24 years ago I swore to defend and protect and always will even at the cost of my life!
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
There are those of us on the inside working against the downfall of America. This is why when I discovered an unmarked, black (ironic color), 3 1/2 floppy disk, on my desk containing a training document on how to use special forces to take over a country, I e-mailed it to Alex and some how it got posted on Wikki Leaks.
I still have no idea where the disk came from. All I know is that it was laying on my desk for 3 days and I thought that it was just an extra blank floppy that I had pulled out until I stuck it in my computer. The rest is history.
Obviously there is another patriot where I work. Either that or I am being set up.
Jason
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
we all are terrorist!!! hahahahaha.. what a joke…
please someone make a website with flyers to hand out to people… if there is one that exist please post the address on these forums so we can post them around our neighborhoods, groecery stores, schools, jobs…..etc…
i would but i dont know where to start!!!
we need to start working over time…..post what we can..
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:53 pm
If you have a functional brain – you could be a terrorist.
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:54 pm
“In other words, an individual’s political views, racial background or ethnic origin can serve as a pretext for an investigation.”
So what’s new here? Ruby Ridge, Waco, beating up on grandma’s, etc..
Nothing new. Generations of family fought for this country and this is the outcome. What happened to fighting for the principles of the Constitution? Anyone who believes in what generations have fought long and hard for are now considered a potential threat. That is the truth of the matter.
November 3rd, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I took a big poop in the FBI’s coffee pot.
November 3rd, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I propose everyone say the key words “bomb, airplane, president” at least everytime they post on the net or talk on the phone. This will overload the system and make it crash or baffle all the little eavesdroppers…
November 3rd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
bomb, airplane, president, bomb, airplane, president, bomb airplane president HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…. f--- YOU BUSH
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
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ROTFLMAO!!
There just harmless WORDS, How about this C/P job???? OWNED!
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:15 pm
The NWO is the threat to all humanity. You evil, corrupt wicked elite, You are the real terrorists. Your threats and Martial Law will not save you in the end. Only Jeusus Christ can save you from satan’s evil One World Govt./ One World Currency. Because I stand for what’s right, God’s Ten Commandments, and stand by our U.S. Constitutional rights I’m considered a terrorist? I will continue to preach God’s word. I’m a believer in Jesus Christ , God’s word is true, he warned all people that the world would soon come to this! The End of Days are here, Jesus Christ’s 2nd return is getting closer to judge the evil ones, the NWO come to an End!
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
How does your coffee taste Agent Johnson?
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 pm
#6 – Holy s--- – Somebody actually gave you a 3 1/2″ Floppy Disk? And you have a floppy drive on your computer? That’s more astounding than this entire article.
#5 – “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security” – Yeah, sounds like they were talking about “Voting” them out doesn’t it. Mind you Gentlemen, our Forefathers laid down their lives, fortunes and sacred honors for the sake of GAINING LIBERTY!!! Would you say we are FREE? Would you say that we have LIBERTY? It’s time to find your balls, get some sand in your sack and make your Forefathers PROUD. For, they are ashamed of us right now.
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
“In other words, an individual’s political views, racial background or ethnic origin can serve as a pretext for an investigation.”
Sounds like Obama could be suspect.
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Nancy has a new pair of Boots. The Cook is in the Pantry.
North
South East
South West
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November 3rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
justification…when a moneyed, ancient ruling class outlives its usefullness by setting man made law above men so as to rule men as would god. every good person knows that law is good, and that governments are made to ensure gods laws for man. however, there is the government of the adversary, the destroyer of men satan the devil; the archangel lucifer. gods enemy makes men err into sin ie:to break gods fundimental laws. if a government causes kingdoms to topple for the sake of material gain (say, oil) at the expence of human blood (say, decimation (to kill 10 or more ‘enemys’ for every citizen lost to ‘enemy’ agression) then that government has lost its mercy and god given reason. jesus, for example (as a messiah, or as a prophet) told the multitude how to enter into the kingdom of heaven. some men, reproach the world with human words, like leo tolstoy in the book ‘The Kingdom of God is Within You’. there are lots of men who would surrender to the devil for the sake of transitory happyness. the faithful know that the earth and matter are transitory, and entry into heaven is only for the faithful.
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:11 pm
So seems like its pretty much everyone , as long as your not a sleeping zombie stuck on a ride at Disneyland with a bomb in your ass.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:15 am
This is not a GAME we are on a alert stat NOW. To all Command and control REMEMBER your Oath!!
For a guide to what steps to be taken it is your DUTY to PROTECT this land so as a reminder you MUST address The ((((Uniform Code of Military Justice)))) and has provisions for this and Must be addressed; to do less is the purest form of sadistic “TREASON”.
This is what men of courage must face and confront A.S.A.P. before it is to late. You see, just like all criminals, if they think that the jig is up then they will start getting dangerous and that is now what’s starting to happen ! May God guide your actions….OUT of THUNDER”>ALPHA<
November 4th, 2008 at 12:20 am
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Ballot box? Ammo box?Ballot box? Ammo box? Ballot box? Ammo box? Ballot box? Ammo box?
Enee menee minee mo one of them has got to go. OK Ammo box it is. Jeepers it’s time to vote.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Yes, it would appear that the Bureau is implementing its’ co-opted answer to the Homegrown Terrorist Act about to be passed, complete with coded labeling and thorough classifying of trouble makers ad nauseam. It’s is quite in depth at describing people you wouldn’t even imagine are around. They’re painting terror groups like the old SLA style groups and lone bomber types right next to people that might only be religious devotees who want to preach at a gay pride parade.
You see now our own sincere spiritual and political views can launch an investigation according to them and I’ll just bet these snoops will soon claim they can do it without a warrant too. This arbitrary ripping at the fabric of freedom never seems to end and it’s all due to the HSA precedent laid down in the aftermath of a very convenient post 911 world. Convenient for hard core iron fisted government, that is. Make no mistake yourself G-man, it’s tyranny veiled under the guise of protectionism.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:26 am
“We need guns, lots of them”
November 4th, 2008 at 4:38 am
FUK THE F.B.I & C.I.A
November 4th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Bugles are calling from prairie to shore,
“Sign up” and “Fall In” and march off to war.
Blue grass and cotton, burnt and forgotten
All hope seems gone so soldier march on to die.
Bugles are calling from prairie to shore,
“Sign up” and “Fall In” and march off to war.
There in the distance a flag I can see,
Scorched and in ribbons but whose can it be,
How ends the story, whose is the glory
Ask if we dare, our comrades out there who sleep.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:39 am
The dumbing down of the U.S.A is really coming home with the attitude of Law Enforcement and military. No wonder that the FBI is concerned with very minute attitudes because they don’t know who may not have taken the stupid pill and remained uninformed. I fear that push is going to come to shove in the very near future.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:59 am
THEY HAVE ALOT OF NERVE!
THEY ARE THE AGENT PROVOCATEURS! THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS!
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WANT TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY, NOT
THE PEOPLE WHO CALL THIS PLACE THEIR HOME!
IT IS THOSE WHO THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO GAIN!
POWER AND GREED IS THE DRIVING FACTOR!
WE MUST FIGHT BACK TO BRING THIS COUNTRY BACK TO THE PEOPLE!
THE SERVANTS HAVE GONE OUT OF CONTROL!
GOD
November 4th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Do you agree with global tribalism…… NO.
Do you believe in the principles on which this country was founded…… YES.
Do you support the idea of Capitalism…… YES.
Do you think and act on your own mind……..YES
Do you believe in collective rights…… NO.
Will you obey orders from “authorities”……. NO
Do you believe 9/11 was used to promote tribalism…..YES
Do you believe you have a right to “exist for your own sake”…. YES.
Do you believe global Capitalism is the engine for the future….YES
Do you believe global collectivism would be better for a one world…..NO
Do you believe voluntary global human extinction is right for the planet…..?
Why aren’t you a self loathing anti-mind, anti-man hater like we are…..?
Who is John Galt…….
ALERT…. ALERT
WE HAVE A TERRORIST.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Me and the boys believe in free enterprise,not capitalism. Capitalism is private monopoly. Communism is state monopoly. By the way the capitalists created and financed communism, socialism,fascism,ect. Controlled opposition,boys and girls. Problem reaction solution. Alex may be a little loud and hyper,but he knows his stuff for such a young guy.
By the way if you are a Constitutionalist or believe in a power higher than the state you are a terrorist,as it terrifies those in power to follow the Constitution!
November 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
with some 90% of the American people knowing Congress is F’d in the head,
how the hell are THEY in any position to be the MF’n judge of ANYONE?!
collectively for decades they have been committing treasons and declaring WAR upon
the American people. corporate welfare and outsourcing our jobs is economic warfare.
war on drugs with a privatized prison industry when THEY import the drugs.
war on terrorism to spy on US granting themselves retroactive immunity, who’s the enemy?
financial fascism “bailout” ripoff with included global warming tax scam is treason.
I’m not a violent extremist but I aint gonna just STFU and bend over either, so its time to ask these unpopular pencil pushing bastards if THEY are “Violent Extremists”. armed thugs, check.
unprecedented brutality, check. stealing peoples weapons, check. bringing more active troops for potential use against the people, check. torture, check. it’s pretty obvious what this government does is both violent and extreme, but they want to be pointing fingers? these unpopular SOB’s ?!!
November 4th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Freedom to these NWO scum is to fall into lock-step on your way to the railcars with shackles and shipped to your nearest TRIBLINCA industrial death camp!!
November 4th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
no but yes
high wize @ myspace
p.e.a.c.e.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I totally agree with see things.. They have taken us to illegal wars since ww1.
I think its time for the people of this country to say no more. No more sending our
Moneys to isreal. No more building of secret ufos stolen from nazi germany at Roswell.
How bout actually telling us the truth? What about the Paperclip plan at the end of ww2.
We brought thousands of nazi’s secret weapons top scientist to our country..
so that we can fly saucers. How does that make us any better than them.
We are on our way to being the Next Nazi Germany. thats why we are in 130 some odd countries.
God bless the Innocent people being used as Test Rats in this United states of KKKA.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
@ Sees Things – Agreed! Hav’in Fun yet? : o )
November 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
You freakin-A right I am!
November 4th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I am an American and I just want
America
to be a better place.
Also, war is bad.
Torture is bad.
These common, peaceful beliefs do not make
me
bad.
So, please take my name off the “bad people” list.
Thank you.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Since September 11th the United States government has passed a series of laws, acts, and presidential directives that have turned this once great nation of peace and freedom into one of torture and evil. This film explores Total Information Awareness, Patriot Acts I and II, Homeland Security, and Homegrown Terrorism; all the while following a 9/11 Truth activist on a journey of enlightenment, action, and ultimate sacrifice as
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November 5th, 2008 at 5:25 am
The only terrorists I see are the one in Washington D.C. (District of Criminals)When a government acts in secret especially against its own people, then tyranny is the outcome.
The FBI should investigate itself
The CIA should be investigated
I’m sure Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Franklin et all would be on this list as well..it’s not too surprising that this rancid group in Washington would then turn against its own people.
The FBI is useless, corrupt and incompetent. J. Edger Hogger set the precedence of spying on Americans, for he used that very action to maintain his power.Corrupt.
Remember Ruby Ridge
Remember Waco
Remember Oklahoma City
The FBI was involved in all these terrorist acts.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:33 am
If I remember correctly there was a FBI memo released in Texas a few years ago which referred to the founders as terrorists,and supporters of the Bill of Rights as the same,Bush had no respect for the Constitution, and the new guy has said it should be disregarded,we be in a heap of trouble in America this day!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Damn #37, that’s one intense vision of where we are.
Most of this I’ve seen before, but all together, it sure paints a dismal picture.
If We The People are to survive, we’d better get together and get this revolution started soon.
The longer we wait, the less our chance of success.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
New catagory: Breathing.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
#41 (David @ DFW)- You’re damn right We The People need to get this revolution started!
I personally have no military background, but I’m a damn good shot! But hopefully it never comes down to a violent revolution.
We all need to keep on doing what we’ve been doing, and that is waking people up. We just need to try new things to wake up more people to the truths behind it all, and soon.
Let’s start our own council. The Council Of Truth, Justice & Constitutional Awareness. Pick whatever name you want for it, but something like that needs to happen. An actual formal council, run by the People. I know there are watchdog groups out there, but we need something bigger and more powerful than that- a group willing to do anything it takes to get the truth out there.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
No.
I am not violent.
I am not an extremist.
But if this goes ahead, the music I love will definitely be outlawed.
Heavy-metal and prog-rock.
Anybody here ever listened to JUGULATOR by Judas Priest?
Freakin’ awesome!
(joking)
November 5th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
#41 and #43 you guys are right. The only problem is getting people together. Hell, we can’t even get people to stop buying gas for one day. How are we going to get to “We The People need to get this revolution started” started? I think we need to establish some sort of network for like minded people.
As far as I’m concerned, to all those assholes who voted for that one that said we need to teach our children Spanish, Es Los Esatdos Unidos, Speak English or Get the f--- Out!
November 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Americans standing up to their govenment? Huh,this is impossible as the conditioning of the people by the media has been to successfull!!!!!!!!!!
November 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
US-Radicalized.. so the founding fathers were terrorists for righting the second amendment? Wow.. wtf
November 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
@47
The founding fathers weren’t terrorists for penning the second amendment, they were terrorists for destroying crown property..notably soldiers and officers of the crown.
Also, imagine trying a modern “Boston Tea Party” where you dressed up like Arabs (as they dressed up like the popular non white threat of their time) & destroyed a trainload of chinese DVD players…. totally going to be charged as terrorists. s---, kids get charged as terrorists for chaining themselves to logging equipment.
All of our founding fathers would be thrown in prison today.
We are ruled.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
@47
The founding fathers weren’t terrorists for penning the second amendment, they were terrorists for destroying crown property..notably soldiers and officers of the crown.
Also, imagine trying a modern “Boston Tea Party” where you dressed up like Arabs (as they dressed up like the popular non white threat of their time) & destroyed a trainload of chinese DVD players…. totally going to be charged as terrorists. s---, kids get charged as terrorists for chaining themselves to logging equipment.
All of our founding fathers would be thrown in prison today.
We are ruled.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:41 am
To #43, call or email me if you ever start that (rolicka69@yahoo.com)…That is something that truly is necessary to save what is left of this country and turn it back into the once great nation of history…
Heck, I’m sure I’m already on the FBI CIA watchlist of “possible terrorists”…at least because of US PATRIOT Act Section 802: because I “want to invoke political change.”
P.S. If we start a revolution, don’t forget that Jesse Venture doesn’t want it to start without him…and he is one guy I’m glad to have on my/our side.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Never forget that all this started because 4 planes crashed on 911.
Why would the media and government lie about 911? Sure they lied about WMD’s in Iraq, torture, deplete uranium use in Iraq, and rendition flights….but why would they lie about 911? Sure the media and government lied about outing agents names, actions taken during Katrina, retaliations against attorney generals for political reasons, threatening Congress, blackmailing Senators…but why would they lie about 911?
Eliminated habeas corpus, installed and supported Blackwater, “lost” trillions of dollars at the Pentagon, privatized the entire US infrastructure, illegally used funds meant to “rebuild” Iraq, immunity for telecoms and pharmaceutical…but why would the media and government lie about 911? Sure they lied about the massacres in Haiti, stole the elections in 2000 and 2004, detonated the levees in New Orleans 2 days after Katrina left, misquote world leaders to produce fear…though why would they lie about 911? They lied about water contaminations, toxic exposures, global warming, immigrant roundups, number of deaths of Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians, number of killed US soldiers, pillaging of our entire US financial banking with corporate give outs and bailouts, secretly changing executive orders however they wish, medical associations in charge of CIA torture…..but why would the media and government lie about 4 planes crashing at 4 locations on 911?
Pillaged Billions from the US education system with No child left behind, encouraged massive real estate fraud through deregulation and zero oversight, deposits nuclear waste on US soil from foreign countries by “redefining” what waste is, covers Halliburton’s selling of nuclear technology, eliminates protections for whistleblowers, hires out torture worldwide to private companies, allows for the greatest crop of heroin to grow in Afghanistan, and refuses to say where trillions have gone within the Homeland Security agency….though why would they lie about 911? Largest number of felons every hired at the white house, intentionally destroyed Iraqs water and energy systems, continually destroys labor unions and environmental causes, brutalizes and tortures protesters or “homegrown enemy combatants”, highest number of dual citizens in top key government positions in US history….though why lie about 911?
Threatens countries such as Paraguay, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela with military action if they don’t play ball, murder Supreme Court justices to open up seats, destroys all evidence of 911 and never allows for any testing, refuses to have an investigation of 911 for almost 2 years then gets to decide who will be on the panel, murders thousands of witnesses and legally threatens many more who wish to come forward regarding 911…..though why would the media and government lie about 911? Spy on their own citizens illegally, murder journalists worldwide, eliminate tort reform, uses child wards to test AIDS drugs, destroy parental rights, manipulate and threaten science worldwide, allow media to legally lie with new laws, install puppet Governors such as Arnold in California (met with Ken Lay just before “recall”), demolish labor laws worldwide…though why would they lie about 911?
There is a new film and 2 new books coming out that will make Alex Jones, Michael Moore, and Jason Burmas films look like childs play. Stay tuned because it will be released overseas first because it names EVERY name and gives 1000’s of examples. Guess who will cover it up and lie? The US media and government. So…..why would they lie about 911?