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Army deploys combat unit in US for possible civil unrest
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Bill Van Auken
WSWS
September 26, 2008
For the first time ever, the US military is deploying an active duty regular Army combat unit for full-time use inside the United States to deal with emergencies, including potential civil unrest.
Beginning on October 1, the First Brigade Combat Team of the Third Division will be placed under the command of US Army North, the Army’s component of the Pentagon’s Northern Command (NorthCom), which was created in the wake of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks with the stated mission of defending the US “homeland” and aiding federal, state and local authorities.
The unit—known as the “Raiders”—is among the Army’s most “blooded.” It has spent nearly three out of the last five years deployed in Iraq, leading the assault on Baghdad in 2003 and carrying out house-to-house combat in the suppression of resistance in the city of Ramadi. It was the first brigade combat team to be sent to Iraq three times.
While active-duty units previously have been used in temporary assignments, such as the combat-equipped troops deployed in New Orleans, which was effectively placed under martial law in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, this marks the first time that an Army combat unit has been given a dedicated assignment in which US soil constitutes its “battle zone.”
The Pentagon’s official pronouncements have stressed the role of specialized units in a potential response to terrorist attack within the US. Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, attended a training exercise last week for about 250 members of the unit at Fort Stewart, Georgia. The focus of the exercise, according to the Army’s public affairs office, was how troops “might fly search and rescue missions, extract casualties and decontaminate people following a catastrophic nuclear attack in the nation’s heartland.”
“We are at war with a global extremist network that is not going away,” Casey told the soldiers. “I hope we don’t have to use it, but we need the capability.”
However, the mission assigned to the nearly 4,000 troops of the First Brigade Combat Team does not consist merely of rescuing victims of terrorist attacks. An article that appeared earlier this month in the Army Times (“Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1”), a publication that is widely read within the military, paints a different and far more ominous picture.
“They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control,” the paper reports. It quotes the unit’s commander, Col. Robert Cloutier, as saying that the 1st BCT’s soldiers are being trained in the use of “the first ever nonlethal package the Army has fielded.” The weapons, the paper reported, are “designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.” The equipment includes beanbag bullets, shields and batons and equipment for erecting roadblocks.
It appears that as part of the training for deployment within the US, the soldiers have been ordered to test some of this non-lethal equipment on each other.
“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” Cloutier told the Army Times. He described the effects of the electroshock weapon as “your worst muscle cramp ever—times 10 throughout your whole body.”
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The colonel’s remark suggests that, in preparation for their “homefront” duties, rank-and-file troops are also being routinely Tasered. The brutalizing effect and intent of such a macabre training exercise is to inure troops against sympathy for the pain and suffering they may be called upon to inflict on the civilian population using these same “non-lethal” weapons.
According to military officials quoted by the Army Times, the deployment of regular Army troops in the US begun with the First Brigade Combat Team is to become permanent, with different units rotated into the assignment on an annual basis.
In an online interview with reporters earlier this month, NorthCom officers were asked about the implications of the new deployment for the Posse Comitatus Act, the 230-year-old legal statute that bars the use of US military forces for law enforcement purposes within the US itself.
Col. Lou Volger, NorthCom’s chief of future operations, tried to downplay any enforcement role, but added, “We will integrate with law enforcement to understand the situation and make sure we’re aware of any threats.”
Volger acknowledged the obvious, that the Brigade Combat Team is a military force, while attempting to dismiss the likelihood that it would play any military role. It “has forces for security,” he said, “but that’s really—they call them security forces, but that’s really just to establish our own footprint and make sure that we can operate and run our own bases.”
Lt. Col. James Shores, another NorthCom officer, chimed in, “Let’s say even if there was a scenario that developed into a branch of a civil disturbance—even at that point it would take a presidential directive to even get it close to anything that you’re suggesting.”
Whatever is required to trigger such an intervention, clearly Col. Cloutier and his troops are preparing for it with their hands-on training in the use of “non-lethal” means of repression.
The extreme sensitivity of the military brass on this issue notwithstanding, the reality is that the intervention of the military in domestic affairs has grown sharply over the last period under conditions in which its involvement in two colonial-style wars abroad has given it a far more prominent role in American political life.
The Bush administration has worked to tear down any barriers to the use of the military in domestic repression. Thus, in the 2007 Pentagon spending bill it inserted a measure to amend the Posse Comitatus Act to clear the way for the domestic deployment of the military in the event of natural disaster, terrorist attack or “other conditions in which the president determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order.”
The provision granted the president sweeping new powers to impose martial law by declaring a “public emergency” for virtually any reason, allowing him to deploy troops anywhere in the US and to take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of state governors in order to “suppress public disorder.”
The provision was subsequently repealed by Congress as part of the 2008 military appropriations legislation, but the intent remains. Given the sweeping powers claimed by the White House in the name of the “commander in chief” in a global war on terror—powers to suspend habeas corpus, carry out wholesale domestic spying and conduct torture—there is no reason to believe it would respect legal restrictions against the use of military force at home.
It is noteworthy that the deployment of US combat troops “as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters”—in the words of the Army Times—coincides with the eruption of the greatest economic emergency and financial disaster since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
Justified as a response to terrorist threats, the real source of the growing preparations for the use of US military force within America’s borders lies not in the events of September 11, 2001 or the danger that they will be repeated. Rather, the domestic mobilization of the armed forces is a response by the US ruling establishment to the growing threat to political stability.
Under conditions of deepening economic crisis, the unprecedented social chasm separating the country’s working people from the obscenely wealthy financial elite becomes unsustainable within the existing political framework.
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September 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
We are fucked…. It is on for REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
What a bunch of Traitors!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Let’s send these demons back to where they came from!!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I hope our American brothers in uniform will remeber who they are and the othe they too k against enemys forghn and DOMESTIC!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
BUSH HAS SET THIS UP RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. I CANT BELIEVE MAIN STREAM MEDIA HAS NOT JUMPED ON THIS. THERE MUST BE SOME DESCENT PEOPLE STILL LEFT AT THE BIG NEWS STATIONS. THIS IS A NIGHT MARE IN THE WORKS. WAKE UP AMERICA
September 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
If they think muslims with no money or weapons are bad. Wait til the military comes to a country with mass weapons and people. they will lose!!!! Bring it bitches!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
ahh man… god help us all! Web Bot predicts a major event on OCT 7th so be on your toes… I wish all this evil would just go away…I’m so bummed out
September 26th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
time is up. hide your weapons now they are coming for them.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
The ruling cabale’s cold war against the population is being replaced by hot war.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG COMPARED TO WHAT THA GLOBAL ELITES ULTIMATE GOAL IS THERE WILL BE BRAINWASHED US AND UN TROOPS WALKING THA STREETS KILLING AMERICANS FOR EXERCISING RIGHTS THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED WITH. WHILE THE ELITE COMMIT HORRIBLE ACTS OF EVIL AND ENSLAVEMENT AGAINST THE PEOLE WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE AIMING FOR GLOBAL DOMINATION. WHILE WE STILL SIT BACK AND R TOO WORRIED ABOUT THA FAKE TERRORIST THREAT AND BEING PART OF THA LATEST TREND CREATED BY THE MEDIA MACHINE. ITS TIME TO WAKE THE F*** UP PEOPLE WE ARE LETTIN THEM DO THIS TO US . SOON THEY WILL CALL ALL OF YOU TERRORISTS FOR VISITING THIS WEBSITE THEN KIDNAPP YOU TAKE YOU TO A TORTURE CAMP KILL YOU AND NOT TELL ANYBODY BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE PATRIOT ACT SAYS THEY CAN DO. HAVE A NICE DAY
September 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
How many times is this same article going to be posted with a different title?
September 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
To make matters worse the military is now scraping the bottom of the barrel for recruits. They will accept pretty much anyone who can sign a “X” on the line, including foreigners. An army of tattooed, low IQ , combat hardened thugs looking for a fight. These fools won’t hesitate to kill US citizens just for fun.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Great article,people should see it more and read it,and take notes or print it out and pass it amoungst thier friends.
I for one also hope they dont start firing on americans!
We can still win this fight that is on for our mind,by spreading the word. Word of mouth still reins supreme in all countries.
Never doubt that a few dedicated couragous minds cant help change the world,cause thats the way it has allways been. M. Meed said that and it still rings true today!
Resistance to the Old Worlding odors is a victory in and of itself!
Be BOLD and mighty forces will come to your aid!
We The People CAN WIN,all we got to do is try!
Now get out there and be that change that stares at you in the mirror!
Godspeed!
September 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
The focus of the exercise, according to the Army’s public affairs office, was how troops “might fly search and rescue missions, extract casualties and decontaminate people following a catastrophic nuclear attack in the nation’s heartland.”
Pretty scary seeins how i live in the nations heartland
September 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
If they tell you it’s training, you would be a fool to believe it.
They have now played a major hand in the take over of the American people.
Only a dictator would put Martial Law in place, knowing the economy will be dismal in a few months.
It’s all by design and they are playing for real, no training here sheeple, this is the real fuckign deal.
They will kill you, given the chance.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
OMG! I thought we had Posse Commitatus Act of 1878? Doesn’t it prohibit Military from policing? Get ready for the Second Revolution, Jesus will come again. God bless my thruth brothers!
September 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Alan Watt called this one a while ago.Check out cuttingthroughthematrix.com and read the 90 page document that predicts the flash mob riots and how THEY will respond to it .Now what? It is here and we are not prepared.Maybe thats why Steve Quale got sick of us and all of our petty bickering back and forth.Alex Jones seems a lot more optimistic than Alan Watt,but I believe Watt has more experience in the study of past human behavior and the histories of social societies.
September 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Anybody that says it ain’t coming is a damn fool. Its falling into place one step at a time. Everyone in the msm should be shot for hiding the fact from everyone.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
After they crack your head open and raid your SUV & house, make sure to wave the flag and support the troops.
STAY THE COURSE, only a few more years before NWO make skull & bones a fashion statement…………ooop that already here.
Maybe microchip is next fashion statement for fascist ?
I can’t wait to burn in Hell for not rocking the boat.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
If an American Army man shoots on an American citizen Ill be returning fire, even if it is a Contract Company like Black water. I have been training and training my sons.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I could really care less if these are American soldiers. They became Anti-American when they agreed to patrol the homeland. Our founding fathers did not want things like this to happen. All it will take is one innocent person getting shot by these fucks to initiate an all out civil war. I look forward to the day civil war comes to this country. I will be one of the first ones on the street with rifle, sidearm and a copy of the constitution at my side. As far as I’m concerned the 1st Brigade Combat Team are now terrorists. They should be treated accordingly.
September 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
who knows what the future will bring but here in TN i woke up this morning to a large i mean large amount of helicopters flying by. i was too sleepy to get up to see if it was military but im guessing it was. thats ok if miltary wants to turn on its own countrymen. they will get their snotnoses whipped. Were not 120 pound guys in turbans and sandals who didnt grow up playing GTA halo and watching violent movies. we are violent. we are scum, we are the low down dirtiest people on earth no doubt but that just may work in our favor. nobody trusts the govt anymore. many soldiers and cops will join us or poop there pants and hide under their beds.
We are approaching zero hour will you military and cops join us or be against us? will you fail all that have come before you? all your ancestors who fought and died for this country will you answer the call of measly bankers and scum who lied to you? People that are responsible for the deaths of your fellow men in iraq and other places? will you join real patriots and help us defeat these scum and restore america or will you fire on your fellow neighbor and watch as america burns….your country and you will have nowhere to go…you will dwell in the land of shanty towns and corpses. your future…..your history stained forever. while the bankers run away to their private islands living the good life. JOIN US! dont follow orders from headquarters! JOIN your brothers.
September 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
The real scarie thing about these guys allowing themselfs to be tazed is that an electric shock like this is DESIGNED, by the devil himself, to blast every thing left that is “Human,” out of them …..it fragments the magnitism out of them, and magnitism is the property of the EMOTIONAL body…The stuff that helps one feel another’s pain, and have compassion for other’s plites….VERY EVIL !!
So after a good taseing what you have is an electric/electric ZOMBIE ! with no emotional body. ( no magnetic propertys ( Human) ) These ZOMBIES have no quams about murdering who ever is in their path of distruction.
Alot of times….i blame their mothers. I have studyed the mother’s of criminals/murderers, and, ALOT of times i see how they were in on it all along.
shoot for the head
September 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
They see us as “children” who refuse to take their abuse and so they see the need for discipline. The beginning of the end is near, you either conform or go to jail for rediculous reasons. The upperclass will do just fine, but the middleclass and down will suffer big time.
September 26th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Hitler was a traitor to his own people and more then likely did not even died the day he was reported to. Did anyone see pitchers of his dead body? At any rate the MIC will never miss oportunity to make money off of selling weapons, I highly suspect we will get played again as Russian fighter jets or Chinese attact are homeland, we may be armed but still are not prepared to take on bombs from the air.
September 26th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Play with yourselves…
September 26th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I have violent seizures from an epileptic condition, and I’m sure that a jolt from one of these “Non-Lethal Weapons” would send me into wild convulsions, and Probably kill me–after having 18 years’ worth of experience, with this condition, I feel confident in stating this.
MY Family and friends are getting Express orders that if I am ever Tasered, or am subject to one of these “Non-Lethal Weapons”, and that if *I* am not here to avenge this assault on my Person, and my Humanity–they should go for the Jugular, via both Criminal, AND Civil Actions. I suggest you all do the same, and I ALSO suggest you publish instructions to your attorneys, and, if you have the means, set up a legal trust, in advance, for pursuing such action. I don’t have Much Money, At All, but I’m not going to have atrocities such as this committed without some sort of recourse.
These sons of b*tches CANNOT be allowed to pull off this crap, In My America–or Anywhere Else, for that matter.
September 26th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
we have scum servants getting paid to obey the constitution and the last 8 presidenta ignor it.they should be all rounded up an put in prison no trial the military is scum and getting a lot worse.the dumb bastards don’t know that is illegal,bush commited treason again.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Ammunition= The new currency for the new milenium!
September 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
any government entidiy or contract security firm or even the armed for was to fire on the american citizen in public or private knows that they will be dealth with. That itself is grounds for tyranny and under the constitution of the united states we have a right to fight back and fight back we will. all i know is i dont want to be them becuase they think we will laydown willingly, hahaha.” you got another thing coming”……… all of you mother fucker thugs will just make yourself game and once shit hits the fan its gonna be on like jenna jameson’s dildong….
September 26th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
After these troops are settled in they will move nato troops in for support.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
And the dumb traitor troops are itching to kill you. Don’t think they don’t want to, they do, it’s their childhood dream come true.
Don’t help out you christians. Just lay down and let gods will be done. If god didn’t wish for the killers to come to your neighborhood they would not be here.
Don’t help out you lefty flower people. Just lay down and take it. When you see the traitors beating on people in wheel chairs or shooting mentaly retarded people just hold up a sign or something.
god bless our heros in uniform who keep signing up with the hopes of being able to rush into action and murder people. What fun.
September 26th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
soo much for deer season,,,,
September 26th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
the answer is to now organize militia, and integrate your force with that of the county in which you live. create a force of m.p. to augment the force of your county sherriff (or to investigate the sherriff if he is a crook), or to assist the INS in the repatriation of unlicenced and undocumented foreign nationals by doing boarder watch, and counter insurgancy operations. all state organizations will have an m.p. force under that command to maintain militia decipline within a state. all men between the ages of 18-56, and fit for feild duty, are potential militia men under arms. “to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemys, foreign and domestic”, remember?
September 26th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Is EVERYONE Paying attention NOW? seems you have to take away peoples incomes to attain them freedoms. That’s a crying shame. They gave up what they believed in, for a Lousy dollar that doesn’t have much “Sense” left to it. When the money runs out, what do you have left? You best saved that last little bit of “faith” and least thank the man who showed you what Faith was.If you still don’t know his name,it has 3 letters to his name. GOD. Maybe many might slow down enough to pray and ask for help and wouldn’t hurt to ask for forgiveness for following a man trying to play God. If this doesn’t make since then, were’ all in trouble. Time we put our own houses in order.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Hey, I am ready. I cannot help most of the rest of you. I am going to continue to fight for your freedom whether you want it or not. If and when you are ready, you can join me. Listen to the citizens band radio frequencies. Store food, water and ammo. Cover operations against homeland security army troops will be sickeningly easy. I feel bad for the brainwashed saps.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Why don’t people look to the Scriptures for answers as to what will happen to Babylon? (America) America by the way is the revived Babylonian/Roman empire of the Scriptures…it is the modern Israel of the Scriptures too, as the gestalt of the evidence shows…
The prophet Jeremiah, in 626 BC warned about the illegal alien Mexican invasion of America as recorded in Jeremiah 51:2:”I will send foreigners to Babylon to winnow her and to devastate her land; they will oppose her on every side in the day of her disaster.” …he further says in chapter 50 that America will be surrounded by her enemies and will be utterly destroyed for her sins….and Jeremiah 51:3 says that America’s entire army will be destroyed, totally and utterly…don’t hang on Alex Jones’s every words…how it will supposedly be the US army doing the destroying…the nations who will be doing the destroying are listed by their ancient names in Isaiah and Jeremiah (and their comparison with modern maps show who they are today).
Think this is all bull shit? Why don’t you look at all of the websites that document the thousands of UN-passenger type vehicles, along with the thousands of UN-marked military vehicles, that are in the US and have been for about 14 years already, stored at various US military and government installations all over America, and well guarded….the UN forces will be comprised of those nations that the Scriptures state will invade Babylon/America… Look to the Scriptures for answers to what the very near future holds…not Alex Jones and other end times false prophets claiming the NWO will be defeated!
http://www.artisanpublishers.com is a very good information source for who modern Israel is…(The Lost Ten Tribes…and how they were prophesied to be in the Isles of the West (Britain and her offshoots/America) in the End Times…Britain in Hebrew literally means “covenant land”…its not an accident…the Most High is always in control….(Isa 42:4, 41:1, 5, 51:5, 24:15, 42:12, 49:1-3, 12, Jer 3:18, Jer 3:18, 23:8, 31:10-12…HOS 1 and 2….and many more)
September 26th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Um, just for the record, the Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878, that’s not 230 years ago. When facts are distorted, it’s difficult for me to take a writer’s work seriously. But in this case, I do take the subject seriously, nevertheless.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
The use of “conditioning” troops on taser use is one that is mandated for all law enforcement agencies. If I wanted to carry OC spray – I had to get sprayed – carry a taser? Guess what – you get tased. I dont think that troops who will be issued tasers should be treated any different than LE officers.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Sniper rifles are ideal because they put a lot of distance between you and the enemy! If you miss on your first shot, you have ample time for follow-ups or safe retreat.
If you’re on a shoestring budget, listen up.
$79.95 – will get a used, bolt action 7.62 X 54R Mossin-Nagant surplus rifle at Dunham’s, MC sporting goods, Cabella’s and many military surplus stores. Be sure to inspect the bore and select one that is clean and shiney if possible.
$49.95 – will buy a scope conversion kit at the sportsmans guide (www.sportsmansguide.com), also comes with a black synthetic replacement stock (some machining required).
$44.97 – will buy a Barska 6-24 X 42mm Mil Dot Scope at the sportsmans guide.
So, for about $175.00 you will have a nice, accurate hunting rifle!
God Bless
September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Seeker, I think you forgot about the aliens from space too. Frickin IDIOT!!!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/506589
Mother tasered twice while holding infant.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
“We are at war with a global extremist network that is not going away,” Casey told the soldiers. “I hope we don’t have to use it, but we need the capability.”
Ain’t that the truth! Too bad Casey isn’t on our side to fight the enemy within our own country. I wonder if he knows who the real enemy is?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
To Elvis Post #22..
Blackwater employees do not fall under military law.. They have an advanatge….
If you threaten them..they are protected under the same laws as any citizen with a right to defend… They know this and will be prepared mentally to do so.. They are paid well under GVT contracts.. and they are not paid to die for a living…
Blackwater is nothing but a mercanary group.. sugarcoat their cause any way you like.. But they are paid to do a job.. and in this case their job has a broad range of options….
September 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
The US citizen is being set up…. Look at history.. Germany..Vietnam.. The oportunity for civil unrest is always provoked…
Hegellian Theory..Create a problem, then get called in to resolve it.. It is the way GVT and the NWO work hand in hand,,, and they always appear to be right in their actions..and if not.. their ignore the problem and failure goes away…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Hey
I’m hearing helos flying at night, real low.
Anyone else?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
well all my friends in brooklyn are buying guns .. and we know how to use them!
dont F with Brooklyn again.. we are not p-ssies!!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”
Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief, from Gilbert, G.M. (1947). Nurenberg Diary, New York: Signet
September 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I’m glad i just bought my springfield xdm 40. My Stag AR15 5.56 should be in any day now. Ill be prepared what ever should come my way. May God bless you all
September 26th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Bush wants a war with Iraq,Iran,Russia,and now he wants to take to our streets. If you are military person you need to think about why in the hell you enlisted in the force. Are you willing to die and kill American people for this scum bag MF. Years ago people join the force to fight for good and protect this country for the citizen of America. Now you are just sheep fighting for BIG OIL Illuminati who want NWO. You are nothing to them and they could care less about you as long as you willing to die for their needs. SEND OUR TROOPS HOME!!!!!! They are not your slaves for your NWO.
PS Its time to round up all the malicious you can.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Seriously now. how many times do I have to say this. YOU KNOW WHO’S RESPONSIBLE!!! will somebody please grow a pair and plan a revolution. I’m not talkin about a concert or benefit, or another politicians long speeches that serve only to leave me pissed off later knowing nothing will come of words with these pricks. they created AIDS for fuck sake. you’d think that alone would get you to do something, but nooooo. now I have to watch OUR Army march down OUR damn streets!! look. I love you guys, but it’s frustrating to see how pussified America’s become. there was a time not long ago when our stoned tripping all messed up parents went ape shit on any cops who struck them first. now we see the police beating dudes up on NATIONAL TELEVISION. prime time no less. and no one’s thought of protective gear? maybe your own tazers? I know what you’re gonna say, but how do you know any other way to get these assholes to stop? apparently flowers don’t get the job done. these guys are following a script. and we know the script. alot of what they plannext can be found in Hollywood! it’s sent to your tv via satelite every damn day. but you’re are happy blogging and shit. come on, people. buncha bitches in this country. you ever tried to stop a mugger with flowers? NO. you ever stop a rape by asking nicely? NO. ever stopped a murderer from shooting when he knows the law won’t do anything? NO. you know why? ’cause you’d you be a mugged, and raped, murder victim, and you’d deserve it ’cause you’re a fuckin idiot! want to walk on the capital. beat those gates down, walk into the oval office, and ask Bush myself. no interview, with screened questions, handpicked from the audience. no bullshit Bush appointed commitees, or fuckin Wolf Blitzer. just him, and the real Americans. I wouldn’t hurt him, but Id give him the beatin his parents never did. “the Bush administration did this, and now we’re all fucked.” no shit sherlock. it’s funny because I swear I heard this entire thing was a planned setup and was being arranged years ago. I thought this was a good place to find like minded people, but it looks like a bunch of bitches bitching about shit we already know. how many of you know war strategy? can you say the word strategy properly? or how about first aid skills? how about survival in the wilderness? have you gone out to practice any of this? do you have gas masks and stored food and water? maybe a hazmat suit if this super virus we all know is coming, comes? well then what the fuck are you gonna do when the rest of this story unfolds? you’re gonna kill each other trying to get whatever’s left at walmart, and when that’s gone kill each other to get what’s in their house, then you’ll be eaten by your neighbor because you never grew any food on your own and don’t have a gun and they do, and you’ll deserve it ’cause you’re a fuckin idiot. thank you and good night… bitches.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
you mean militias. not malicious. what we need are malicious minutemen. and believe me, we’ve got ‘em. 80-90% of our men and women in the armed forces will NOT engage against their own people. think of all the gun owners in this country. and now think about 10-20% of the sick bastards that are in our military that WILL shoot US citizens … against just 10% of the gun owners in this country of 200+ million people.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am
bring them on,,,,i got the rope,,,you bring the horse,,,,i’m stock and ready,,,,,
kick some ass,,,i’ll take at least a company down,,,,,remember bull run,,,,alamo,,
bunkerhill,, all the last true men who fought for this county,,,,say the word grand-poo-ba,,,,,,,take back america……ready set go ????
September 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am
time to move to russia.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:14 am
You Americans need a Second Revolutionary War, or-get used to this crap!!!.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:16 am
The United States Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. All laws are to be made pursuant to that document. Suspending the Constitution eliminates the president, the congress, and all the courts. Therefore, martial law means there are no laws operating in the United States of America. They cease to exist the moment martial law is declared. Each person trying to enforce a law has no authority, because all laws cease to exist! The Founders were brilliant. They knew a situation like this could some day arise, and, in their God given wisdom, they inserted a way for the people to protect themselves against a tyranny! Those claiming to be enforcing the laws, have no laws, or any authority above them. They are just individuals with guns!
September 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I don’t own any “non-lethal” weapons like they do. I guess i’ll have to use the lethal ones when they come.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Any United States Military Personel who fire on civilians IS A TRAITOR>>>PERIOD!!!If these troops don’t have the balls or sense not to follow orders and tell their commanders to go to HELL when told to inforce this bullshit on us,deserves everything their gonna get!!
September 27th, 2008 at 1:18 am
The unraveling is in full progression, hang on, it only get worse faster. Stupidity and ignorance will destroy the world and our country, not necessarily in that order. But it has begun and it is expanding at an ungodly pace. We have been thrown out of the plane without a parachute, it’s not if we fall, it’s what we can salvage after the crash. I don’t believe it’ll be much and don’t feel it’s worth saving to begin with. We are not even a shadow of the great people our ancestors represented, we are as pathetic and even more corrupt as a people than the last of the Romans. We are the worst of the Nazis and Fascists times 1000. This is simply THE END. May God help those of us that survive to be His people, those that rule the world now are undoubtedly controlled by evil and lead a populace of sheeple.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Rocky: Although I’m not christian…Your message is nothing BUT CLEAR!!! “All HAIL Thermal Expansion!!!”
September 27th, 2008 at 1:41 am
The question is not if, but when. May God have mercy on us, especially our children. I weep for them.
September 27th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Even if this is the end why would you want to go down without the rowdiest fight for the true American way? why would you just allow them to take everything from you and make you a lower life form to them. slave.
September 27th, 2008 at 7:19 am
AS LONG AS THEY CAN SAY A WAR ON SOMETHING (drugs, poverty, terror, etc…) military is allowed any where this is taking place.
September 27th, 2008 at 7:53 am
I have been listening to the Alex Jones’ radio show on podcast and heard the first report on the Army Times news story from the first show it was reported on and subsequent shows shortly after. Disturbing as hearing about this story may be I believe that I should point out what I think is an inaccuracy. Alex keeps repeating that the story states that the military personnel hopes that they do not have to shoot us U.S. citizen Americans. I have read this story forward and backwards and I do not see this statement contained in the news story. The closest thing that I can see reported in the story is the following statement made in the article.
“In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.”
http://www.armytimes.com/news/.....d_090708w/
This statement does not say that the military hopes that they don’t have to shoot us U.S. American citizens. This statement from the article reflects that the military personnel will acquire new skills without being shot at by others seeking to do the military harm as would be the case in an overseas warzone.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:12 am
Solution to out of control Government:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
http://www.archives.gov/exhibi.....cript.html
September 27th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Everyone needs to either join a cell or start one . Keep them about 5-6 people. Get your supplies and and your signals down to a tee. Make plans for survival fighting well equiped personnel. Use ambuse tactics. Guerilla warfare. If your in a bigger cell, set it up like an onion, the outside rings protect the inside rings where the fight is. We have a lot of work to do, but we’ll win.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:30 am
ATTENTION NEW WORLD ORDER LUCIFARIAN ELITES AND SELL OUTS
No flesh is justified by the law and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay the price for the sins and sin nature of not just a few or select but the whole world jhn 3:16. It is by grace we are saved NOT OF WORKS ephesians 2:8. “For God so loved the world that he gave is ONLY son, that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting live” jhn 3:16. All of you out there scamming and plotting against your fellow man. God The Father loves you too!
God The Father also tells us in His word to live peacably with all men whenever possible. You are not allowing us to live peacably with you. You are planning on killing us off and enslaving us that don’t die. Stop attacking us with your flouride, crappy tv programming, gm foods, energy crisises, your false flag terror attacks and fiat currency. Repent of your deeds and evil plots and accept Christ and you shall find mercy and grace like you never imagined possible. Continue and all of you will face The Father for your evil and some of you will have to contend with people like myself first. Those of us who know about you are not very happy with you. You are not allowing us to live peacably with you.
Think about it.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:56 am
LINDA # 60
YOU MEAN THE CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT PREACHING THE BIBLE (KJV) AND ARE PROMOTING THEMSELVES AND THEIR AGENDA AND PROGRAMS AND HOW GREAT A CHURCH THEY ARE
WELL, NO CHURCH HUNG ON A CROSS FOR ME AND JESUS SAID “IF I BE LIFTED UP
I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME”
September 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:28 am
WHatever happens.. It will be well supplied from people with money with the same objectives as all past wars.. PROFIT, conquest, subjucation, chaos and control… Nationality and the laws of a nation go away and it becomes the war’s objective only..
It won’t be “If we do this , they will do that”.. “I will sue”… “They can’t do that.. it is illegal, don’t they know the law?”..
They will be organized, breifed and do what they are told.. That is what the military is trained to do. They will not incite violence.. but they will not avoid it either.
Power over people if a strong incentive for many.. some choose to do the honorable thing.. some abuse their position because they can get away with it.
Time will tell.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:46 am
October. The month Americans loose their country 5 years after they surrendered their rights and did nothing.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Nato troops will be brought in to do what our soldiers won’t do. Thats the plan. It’ll be easier for nato troops to kill people here. They won’t think twice about it. Some of ours would, and when they don’t shoot they will be shot.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Smoke em when you see em!
use 2nd amendement to protect the rest.
Any troop that will violate our rights, has no right to life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
SUA SPONTE 2-88
September 27th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Goodbye Freedom, October troops will begin flooding streets and taking control of ANYONE who does not accept the New World Order.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:40 am
The only way to win would be to march 7,000,000 or more us citzens to the whitehouse and that’s not going to happen.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
1. Why does my dad still think I’m a conspiracy theorist?
2. Why haven’t I bought gold and stockpiled food yet?
3. Why didn’t Mccain get the Senate’s Miss Congeniality award he kept bitterly lamenting about during the debate last night?
4. Why can’t I wake up from this twisted nightmare?
5. What should I do with my cats?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I have photos of the FEMA vans that will haul you off http://www.myspace.com/395142983 if you would like to check them out for a limited time.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
You can see pictures of the FEMA vans that will take you away on my myspace page. the number id of my page is 395142983 i cant put a link because infowars marks it as spam. Check these out for a limited time they are HOT!!!!!!!!!!
September 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I have photos of the FEMA vans that haul off prisoners. They are on my page at m-sp8ce if you want to check it out the id for the page is 395142983 i think putting a link to it censors it so i cant just post it.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Bring these mother fuckers on. ive seen this shit coming for some time now and so have many of my closest friends. we got our militia in order i feel bad for all of you herded cattle. good luck sheeple……….bring the pain
September 28th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Echoes of Nazi Germany anyone? This is when you accept the fact that it we’re at the point of no return. Its interesting that the only wars to be fought in America have and will be Civil Wars.
Since 911 and the Patriot, WAR has been declared on American citizens by its own government. My only question, do they have gas chambers at the “containment camps”? Once it gets to the point when enough people have nothing to lose…guess they’re just thinking ahead.
September 28th, 2008 at 2:48 am
This is why the 2nd ammendment is in place. To give power to the citizen to protect and liberate from Tyrants.
September 28th, 2008 at 4:34 am
After giving this situation a little thought.. in retrospect the “war profiteers(Duponts, Rockerfeellers, Bankers etc.) have always set up wars for finacial gain.. Since the US citizen is possibly armed more than any other country would they set up a underground network to sell the citizen logistics(Bullets, grenades, RPGs.. the usual small arms support) to conduct guerilla warfare against the US military on US soil like they have in the past wars of 100 years… Since they are always looking for a profit.. ethics should not be a question..at least it hasn’t up to this point…
Reckon?
I wouldn’t bet on it.. but the average US citizen better be well prepapred just in case.. This won’t be the usual situation.. not even like the civil war…if it came to a call to arms for defense.
I really want to live as long as I caan I suppose.. but at the same time.. I know I will die someday..may as well die for something you beleive in than wither away from old age, cancer, pick a less than glorias way to go.. But I sure hope it can be avoided…
I know one thing.. if I had guns, assumming I did.. living in a rural area.. I may have to consider hiding them in various places if I really had some..
I know for a fact if you bought them legally at a story and did the paperwork.. They don’t call it “registration”..but the purchaser is on Federal record…..But that wouldn’t affect me since I have pawned and sold all my guns long ago and I have no way of knowing who would have them or where they would be,,, +^+^=
September 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
It makes my heart feel so warm and fuzzy when I visit Alex’s site with all the wonderful news of what’s going on in our splendid transition to the new world order -snark. I guess the nazi medal my father picked up in Europe while taking pictures of Panzer divisions in the forests of France via a P51 may come in handy afterall. Guess the nazi’s did beat the US only it took them 63 years after the end WWII to do so, they just infiltrated and defeated the US through the federal reserve, university economics classes and private central banks…of course totally corrupt politicians helped a lot.
September 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
http://www.armytimes.com/news/.....d_090708w/
September 28th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
oh well They will come for the Gold you just bought it has a paper trail leading to your front door and s.s # hope you did not horde more than 90 days worth of food they will be taking it from you as well oh and the rain water hope you do not have more than 7 gallons … oh i almost forgot the air you breath might be filled with B.I.O Radiation …. hey hows the football games going and the tail gate party’s ….
September 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
The simple fact that this line was published and the public is not outraged/worried should send chills down everyones spine:
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control
I remember boot camp. “Trained to kill, kill we will”. No way in fucking hell should soldiers do “crowd control” in the Usedtobeof S A.
September 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
this should be the top story not down here ……………..
September 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
http://www.ExposingChristianity.com
The pen is mightier than the sword.
__________________________________________
- Everything in Christianity has been stolen from religions predating it by hundreds to thousands of years.
- Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all programs to keep spiritual knowledge away from the populace in order to keep humans enslaved by the global elite.
- Nearly everything in the bible consists of symbolism, allegories and twisted truths that are to be taken literally by the masses.
- Contrary to what most people have been indoctrinated with, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are relatively new religions. Humanity goes back tens of thousands of years. These three have worked relentlessly to keep us from spiritual knowledge and using this power, of which all of us have.
- The survival and prosperity of this vicious hoax on humanity requires only ONE thing- A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!
September 28th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
If this doesn’t scare the living shit out of you nothing will; especially after what we saw law enforcement do to American Citizens in Minneapolis during the Republican Convention.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=X4rD6muiCd4
September 28th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Christians be prepared for the coming of the Antichrist. But we have nothing to fear because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is coming soon!!!!!!!!!! I just pray for the unbelievers. May you seek the truth before it is too late. Jesus is the way the truth and the life.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I’m a veteran, I served 8 years, my husband served for 14, my one son is active duty now and the only times I’ve ever been booted from a website or had my life threatened was first..on an evagelical website (back when I was a christian) and I said I didn’t like or trust George Bush anymore and the second place was at military.com. You should read some of the things these soldiers say to other soldiers when they find out they’re either a democrat or have a more liberal worldview. It’s truly scary to see how today young military has grown up in this atmosphere of brainwashing.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Danielle, Jesus ain’t coming back and that’s the awful truth. Read your bible, take all the verses that talk about the “end times” and put them together (make a file on your computer) then put them in the order they were written….they aren’t in chronological order in your bible…the catholic church picked that arrangement. Then start reading them and you’ll see that “Jesus” was suppose to come back during the first century, during the lifetime of the audience the apostles were preaching to. To make a long story short, Jesus was a no-show.
All this end times shit is part of how the people who are doing this to our country have managed to get the cooperation of the masses. They keep you in a constant state of fear (not just of this world but the next…you’ll burn forever blah, blah blah if you don’t “buy” the “belief/faith” they’re selling you) and then, as they implement these things they tell you “it’s a sign, it’s a sign” that Jesus is coming soon. Well, how long has that “promise” been going on (not counting those 1st century christians who died and turned to dust long ago).
There’s an acquaintance of mine who is 88 yrs old. He was raised in an evangelical church. He told me that his father was born in 1888 and all his life was told/taught that the rapture was near and the end of the world was at hand. His father died in 1957….no rapture, no glorious return and the same will happen with you. My friend btw became a methodist when he became an adult and was no longer under the authority of his parents….and he’s still a methodist today.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I realize that I’m breaking with policy here–commenting on a previous comment rather than the ultra-depressing article–but damn, Sandra, that was an excellent post. Commendable!
September 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Look at post #99 and you’ll see antichrist spirit already in the world. Mark these words, you’ll see much more of this sentiment coming on strong.
And these guys really believe they are opposing the NWO. Actually they are under strong delusion and are entertaining NWO ideology.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Sandra are you one of many to lose your faith in the last days?
When the the apostles told the generation of their time that those were the last days, they were absolutely right about that. They had just entered the the dispensation of grace, the last dispensation before the Day of the Lord. The days they lived marked the beginning of the end. They had no idea when…….only that they were living in the last days, which they were. It’s the same dispensation we are in.
Sure, every century thought their time was the end. Did they understand the books of Daniel and Revelation? No, because Daniel was sealed until the end, and Revelation will only be recognized by the actual generation who sees it.
Are you one of those who think the bible is a script written to control the world? Some pretty sharp guys to be able to know about the technology of our day, to make predictions so real. It takes more faith to believe what you are saying than to have faith in God and the word.
I mean, come on, look around you. Read Revelation and take a long hard look at today’s headlines.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:45 am
2 Peter 3
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The great falling away (apostate churchs) had not taken place in 1888. Nor in 1957. Apparently…. your acquaintance hadn’t read his Bible.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
The only way to prevent the contrived justification for supressing “public disorder” is to passively resist such action. Any overtly aggressive force that meets with a passive non-violent response is defeated both morally and legally. History has taught us that Ghandi and his passive resistance to British rule in India ultimately won out over any argument for the continuation or justification of imperialistic/militaristic forms of control. To be sure, uncordinated or ill-conceived acts of violent opposition to such suppression is bound to happen much like the clash between Hindis and Muslims during the fight for Indian independence however the main thrust of the resistance must remain non-violent.
Any violent response no matter how small will add fuel to the fire of legitimizing suppressive rule. How many Americans and citizens worldwide will accept or do business with a government that so wantonly violates the rights of its’ own citizens? Soldiers, police officers and like-minded agents of the State will be terribly conflicted internally as this suppression widens and cuts across all racial and religious lines. Basic command and control structures will begin to weaken and dissent from within the State’s power apparatus will appear.
Passive non-violent resistance is extremely tough to organize and requires the utmost in courage amongst its’ followers. It will take years to show signs of success. Many good people will die and both physically and/or mentally abused or imprisoned. If all this seems a tad extreme it is important to remember that all totalitarian systems begin quietly, slowly and carefully. Let’s not forget that it took the Nazis several years to consolidate their hold on the political, economic and social life of the German people.
In the end it is essential that people across the United States, Canada, Europe and throughout the world understand that they really do hold the ultimate power. Without people to control there are no states, governments or elites to run them. If the people can act in an honourable, decent and moral way those elites and all the power they hold become useless.
Passive non-violent resistance can take many forms. Blocking public access to buildings which interrupts the flow of commerce. Using your bodies as “shields” to prevent State-owned and operated vehicles from transporting political prisoners, relocating families or theft of personal property food/water supplies or medical equipment. Cutting lines of communication to and from military or paramilitary installations. Refusing to obey unlawful, unconstitutional or tyrannical orders from agents of the State and much more besides. The goal is to disrupt, delay or damage the military-industrial complex using non-violent means and to face them openly in a non-violent way. It has worked in the past and it will work in the future.
Long live freedom! Long live the individual!
October 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
THIS IS FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE. WE ARE HERE TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN CASE OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY. EVERYONE WHO POSTED STUPID COMMENTS ON LOW IQ, THAT WE ARE WAITING TO KILL AMERICAN CITIZENS, STEAL ALL YOUR PERSONAL BELONGINGS, AND TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY. I GOT ONE WORD FOR ALL OF YOU “IGNORANT.” YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO REALITY AND REALIZE THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS MISSION IS ABOUT.
October 1st, 2008 at 6:51 pm
“the US military is deploying an active duty regular Army combat unit.” “Nearly 4000 troops.”
Deployed where? What city?
October 8th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Reply:
To #104 “Raider Noone”
The word ignorance implies lack of knowledge. Your comments don’t specify responses to any particular email nor do they reference examples to support your argument. Going under the assumption you are a member of the military I trust you unmderstand that a soldiers first duty is to obey orders not question them. Polticians make policy the miltary carries out that policy. The U.S. military leadership has ordered an American military unit to engage in combat duties on the soil of the United Sates for some vague concern over “public disorder”. This is in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution, (see “posse comitatus”), a document the military forces of the United States are mandated by law to protect and preserve. Any change, ammendment or deletion of any articles in that document must be approved by a majortiy vote of the U.S. Supreme Court. This has not happen in regards to this action therefore the action is unconsitutional regardless of the supposed motives of such action.
I encourage you and other like-minded persons to study the Constitution carefully. Your Republic was founded on the principle of democracy a political concept that promotes the well-being of the majority over the actions of a minority. President Bush, the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Military has already violated the constitution on several occasions including the creation of the so-called “Patriot Acts” 1 and 2 in which, for example, the fouth ammendment has been bypassed allowing agents of the state to search and seize property without probably cause which is a requiremnt under that ammendement. These acts are not justified or made legal simply because a president, general or corporate executive claim “nationl security” or “emergency” reasons for such action. Since this act, and others besides have not been approved by a majority vote of the U.S. Supreme Court they are unconsitutional. As C-in-C of the military Bush is also liable for the unconstutional military “mission” under discussion.
You, as an American citizen (I assume), have just as much right to question these acts as anyone else. You are not obligated to follow unconstutional orders and I encourage you to take the next step and exercise that right and not fall in line with state propaganda. If we as citizens of all nations are to fully realize our rights we must act on them. Presidents, prime ministers even dictators have frequently claimed they are defending freedom and engaging in activities for the protection and well-being of the people. If this is true they are acting in ways which are clearly violating those supposed motives.
I look forward to a reasoned and well thought out reply if you are so inclined.
October 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Hey all of you out there, I am one of those brain washed sops you claim to know about. I came back from iraq 6 months ago with 0 casualties in my unit. We turned the entire Al Anbar providence around with hardly any shots fired from us. The intent of this operation is to help where needed. If you fear of getting shot or tasered don’t riot. That is the easiest solution to that problem. We are only brought in if we are really needed, so don’t piss off your local law enforcment. Watch for natural disasters because that is where we will be, helping people like you who lost everyting. Besides you get to see your family whenever you want I can’t go home for another year because of this. Sit in my shoes read all your responses you think you hav something to fear. Listen to yourselves, you only know what you read. I for one know what I do, who’s info do you think is more accurate. Finally I just want to ask you all to make this as painless for me as possible. If it seems wrong don’t do it, i’ll do the same. Yes I can make that decision read the rules of engagement sometime we can refuse a unlawful comand.
October 10th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Reply:
To #106 “jlmortar”
Again I must emphasize that this email like the earlier one from “Raider Noone” does not specify a response to a particular email nor reference examples to support the argument. Assuming I’m one of the people who believe you are a “brain washed sop” I would like you to point out when or where I stated this. For the record I don’t believe you or any member of the U.S. Military are brain washed sops. I do, however, believe many if not most of you are unaware or disinterested in the long-term ramifications of the decision to activate a U.S. combat unit on U.S. soil.
Please refer to the response I wrote for # 104 “Raider Noone” for the unconstutionality of such an act.
I am sincerely happy you and your unit returned from Iraq unharmed. I am not quite sure what you mean when you say you “turned around” Al Anbar province. Presumably the Iraqi people and their state agents are peacefully co-existing in that area. In any case I doubt you had any control over that or any other military operations in that country or fully comprehend the deeper political and economic reasons for the war.
As for your advice on how the American people should respond to their liberties being taken from them by “not rioting” and “don’t piss off your local law enforcement” I trust I don’t have to point out to you that it’s the military and police which are answerable to the people not the other way around. Their actions must be approved by the people and their duty is to protect a free society that won’t feel the need to riot or challenge their authority.
Personally I have never required the assistance of the military for any reason, that fact aside when natural disasters strike local, state and federal agencies seperate from the military are called in. These agencies are civilian in structure and administer by civilian authorities. Occassionally elements of the National Guard will assist but only if the above mentioned civilian authorities consent to such assistance.
If you are unhappy with not being able to visit your family as frequently as others do (assuming of course they do visit their famalies more), may I suggest you request a discharge from military service as soon as you are able and find employment in some civilian profession.
Finally, the relationship between the people and their military and the actions they take or not take cannot be simplfied in terms of both sides not doing something that seems wrong. The decision to activate a U.S. combat unit on U.S. soil is wrong period it is unconstitutional. In the interest of preserving what is arguable the most profound political document in human history, the U.S. Constitution, you must always, not sometimes, refuse to obey an unlawful order.
I look forward to a reply if you are so inclined.
October 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
why is everyone saying they are going to shoot americans IF they do what they say then they are going to use beanbag guns and tasers. i don’t think these are lethal to the normal person. But IF the american people go out there and act like a bunch of bufoons and take guns at them then rest assure you’ll see severe action. I do agree that the army shouldn’t be brought in unless they are absolutely needed. With all that said all you have to do is read REVELATIONS in the HOLY BIBLE and all this stuff is going to happen we will eventually ran by a one world leader and government. The only thing we can do is trust GOD and do what the HOLY BIBLE says. JOHN 3:16
October 13th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Reply:
To # 108 “xscrapx”
I don’t know if my emails are being translated into another language before they reach this site but if so then I can understand why people are continuing not to refer to specific emails or reference their arguments.
To “xscrapx” please refer to my responses 104 & 106 in regards to this issue. In addition, I do not see the connection between a purely secular act of deploying a combat unit on American soil and the biblical concept of end days and world government. Focus on the issue at hand. The American people need to know what is and what is not lawful and constitutional in their own country! All religious or quasi-religious comments on this issue are not relevant. This is not a theocratic issue it is a political one. The United States is one of the few nations that makes a sincere attempt to seperate the powers of church and state. It is unecessary and unproductive to muddy the waters with religious quotes and/or prophecies.
Religious freedom is one of the cornerstones of the U.S. Constitution but it must be applied appropriately and in the correct context. The issue of unconstitutional acts that pertain to religious freedom is an example where such comments are pertinent. I urge all those who would use such arguments do so in matters that pertain to such issues.
In the meantime I will end this reply by reemphasizing the truth of this issue: The decision to deploy a U.S. military unit on U.S. soil for the purpose of engaging in a law enforcement capacity is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I trust no one is confused on this point.
Thank You.
January 19th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
okay, I am one of those idiots!!!!!! But listen here young’n I spent 7 years of active duty. two tours in Nam CIB and two purple hearts and a number combat related metals!!!! Plus I served during the race riots and “nam protests!!!!! when we were deployed to a city do you think they sent us in with out ammo? what about the Kent university shooting? it was only a student protest.
Do you really think you have the ability to say no to a direct command/ then you have never been placed in a situattion where you could or felt that it was needed!!!!!!try it sometime and see where it gets you!!!!!! Our country has been taken over by liberals who have increasingly grown stronger and inluential……along with the most welthy!!!!! whi do you think runs this country? surely not the people!!!! your vote doesn;t count….the presidential election is a sham!! your vote doen’t elect the preident… the elctoral vote does..that means the elected officials in the house does…..want proof look at past elections the popular vote majority for for the looser…the electoral vote selected who the winner was!!!!! so tell me again..your vote counts where??
we had ammo at protests and you say we could say no to a direct command …. try it sometime and see were it gets you…..they would not allow me to re-enlist I was unfit..but in other words I was un-controllable. you want to give up your rights….your freedom of choice, your right to bear arms, and to have a government “OF” the people and “FOR” people tehn keep thinking the way you are and see where you are if you keep agreeing with everything they are pumping into your head and yes “you are being brain washed by the military hierarchey!!!!! I will defend my country from her enimies to this day….both enimies….outside and with-in!!!!! the outside world said many years ago that they do not have to go to war with un…they will beat us from with -in!!!!! look at our economy we the people were stupid in thinking that the government was there to protect us by their oversite of wall street and big busines weren’t we taken…look at the UN. they want and are working hard to remove the ability of US citisens to own and bear arms. With the newly elected government..it won’t take long…..they also want to be incontroll of the whole world…God help us if they succeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you want to be a gullable and brain washed individual go ahead but people like me will never let it happen our watch!!! We will be tha ones who be here defending the unknowning and helpless of “OUR” country. I do not belong to any underground organization. I am one of the many individuals who know right from wrong and will not be prsuaded other wize God help you that do not see the changes comming to our world if we do not stand up!
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