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Arrested for Taking Photo of ATM
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May 12, 2009
Today I was shopping at the downtown Seattle REI. I was about to buy a Thule hitch mount bike rack. They were out of the piece that locks the bike rack into the hitch. So I was in the customer service line to special order one. It was a long line and while I was waiting, I saw two of guys (employees of Loomis, as I later learned) refilling the ATM.
I walked over and took a picture with my iPhone of them and more interestingly of the open ATM. I took the picture because I’m fascinated by the insides of things that we don’t normally get to see. I did not take the picture to case the joint. I did not take the picture to threaten the safety of the two Loomis fake cops with their bulletproof vests, hip side pistols and very fragile egos. I did not take the picture to make it easier for anyone else to rob this or any other ATM. I just like to see things that I don’t normally get to see. (Just like when I was in Vancouver, BC with Fall Out Boy, I got to see the stage being constructed… and took pictures of it.)
They saw me take the picture. After they were done filling the machine with money, the one with the shaved head came over to me in line and said:
- Him
- When you’re done over here, come talk to me.
- Me
- No, thanks.
- Him
- Don’t try to leave. I will tackle you.
- Me
- No, you won’t.
- Him
- I’ll call the cops.
- Me
- I can’t stop you.
He went back to the ATM and conferred with his partner who was then making a call on his cell phone. My turn came up in line. I went to the counter. While ordering my part hitch lock at the desk, the real story started.
The Loomis guys wanted me to give them my ID so they could write a report about me for their bosses because I took the picture of them and the open ATM. The REI security people that had been called in by now wanted the same thing. I told them plainly that I’m not in the habit of giving my ID to people just because they want it, especially fake cops who put money in box and get to play at being real cops.
Their whole reason for freaking out at me is that they didn’t know who I am or what I planned on doing with that picture. I told them I didn’t particularly care what they did or did not about me or my intentions. All I did was take a picture of two people working with a machine out in the open in front of dozens of people. And besides, I’m sure if you spent a couple minutes searching Google, you could find pictures much higher quality, schematics, hacks… any number of things about ATMs. And again, this was being done in broad day light in front of dozens of people. Hardly trade secrets.
So… back to the Loomis guys, REI loss prevention officers and cops.
We go back and forth about why I took it and don’t see it as a problem versus why they think it’s somehow threatening their personal safety and their property’s safety. They’re trying to convince me to give my ID to the Loomis guys to write their report. I’m trying to convince them to go fuck themselves that I didn’t do anything illegal or otherwise wrong and that Loomis doesn’t have any jurisdiction to compel me to give them my ID. Round and round, over and over. Until…
- Officer Debra Pelich (#5976)
- Remember 9/11? I saw pictures of those buildings. One time when I was in Florida I was wandering around taking pictures. A security team came up and told me it was a high security restricted area. I wasn’t supposed to be taking pictures there. I explained that I didn’t know that, was a police officer, showed them my ID and complied with them. We cleared it up and I left.
- Me (totally baffled)
- Since you managed to pull the 9/11 card somehow, does that mean that everyone that took a picture of those buildings—
That was when Officer GE Abed (#6270) spun me around and put handcuffs on me. They took me out the back door to the loading garage, put me in the back of Seattle Police car #805. We sat there for a few minutes then they took me down to Seattle Police Department West Precinct. I sat in a holding cell for about 30 minutes still in cuffs.
After they were done filing their reports or whatever behind their two-way mirrored wall, Sergeant William Robertson came into the holding cell. He said basically all the same things that the Loomis duo, REI head loss prevention officer (Paula), Officer Debra Pelich and Officer GE Abed already said several times. We danced back and forth until I said I didn’t feel like talking around in circles again and asked if we were done.
He took me out of the cell and took off the cuffs, had me sign a “You have been trespassed by REI and can’t go back for a year” form then Officer Abed walked me out the door. And that was that.
A few things that happened that I thought were especially ironical were:
- As I was being cuffed another, REI customer took a picture of me and the cops with his iPhone (the same act that started this whole chain of events).
- After being worried about me taking a picture of the inside of an ATM, Officer Debra Pelich typed in the code to open the garage door to the police station right in front of me without hiding the keypad at all. Classic.
- They never wanted to see the picture or wanted me to delete it. (To me, that says this was never about sensitive information or whatever. It was all about power and exerting it.)
That was my day. How was yours?
By the way, if you’re the guy who took my photo as I was being cuffed, I would love to get a copy of that picture.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Update: I spent a minute googling around a minute this morning and found no shortage of pictures of ATM insides.
Monicomp who sells and services computer related peripherals and tools as well as those related to the banking industry include in their gallery not only the inside of an ATM, but also a printer and a monitor.
Nexus Connection have a picture of the inside of an “ATM” that dispenses gift cards.
CGI Direct ATM who’s been selling ATMs since 1995 has a picture of the inside of an ATM as part of their sales material. (They also provide technical information like how many of what kinds of ports they have, what operating system their running, what processor, etc)
Westfield provides maps with the locations of ATMs in its malls.
Outdoor ATM also has pictures of the insides of ATMs as part of their sales materials for: the Tranax MBS5000, the Qualtex Weathermaster Outdoor ATM, the Triton FT5000 and the Triton FT7000.
Even the manufacturers provide pictures of some of their ATM’s insides: Qualtex’s WeatherMaster insides and more inside slideout tray. Tranax’s Card Dispenser, Ticket Printer, Cencon Lock and Tranax MCDU Cash Dispenser. Triton’s cash dispensers, FT7000 (click the photos tab, then the 7th picture; stupid Flash gallery) and FT5000XP (also a Flash photo gallery, click photos then the 7th picture).
Update 2:
- Loomis & Fargo is located at 26 S Dawson St, Seattle, WA which is just off of Marginal Way S. Their phone number is (206) 762-2141.
- City of Seattle Police Department: West Precinctis located at 810 Virginia St, Seattle, WA which looks like this. Their phone number is (206) 684-8917.
- The downtown Seattle REI is located at 222 Yale Ave N, Seattle, WA which looks like this. Their phone number is (206) 223-1944).
Update 3: My point being in the whole post, but especially the previous two updates, is that there is much more much higher quality data about everything that this was about already freely available… even from the manufacturers. So again, I don’t think this had to do with safety, security or trade secrets, but merely the exertion of power and the protection of its image.
Update 4: The commments have spiraled out of control, of course. So, I’ve switched it to requiring a wordpress.com login (which is totally free). Keep it classy, internet.
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Gary Price Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Seattle cops are the worst Nazis in America. Bad place to choose to take photos.
brainy smurf Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
This guy was asking for it. He knowingly put himself in an awkward position because of his homo behavior. Those websites are the same as customer service giving a location. The then dont mail a key and say here take a look inside. I’ll bet if they would had threw him to the ground, he would start crying dont taze me bro.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Dude ya used the wrong type of camera and film………
1911A and .45 ACP works better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IBSammyG Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
That looks more like a picture of a toilet paper dispensing machine. The only thing the dollar will be good for is to wipe your butt.
Captn Picard Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
You mean Glock 20 and 10mm work way better than 45 acp….Two birds, one stone kind of way.
Bill Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:16 am
snap shots with a glock like photography
Black Horse, 11th CAV Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
If it shines. they will pick it up
May 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
You fucking idiot troll………………
He was not doing anything wrong……………….
It was his right of freedom to do so.
Go back to your kool-aid
S.R. Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
It is not good to attack people because they have a different opinion, don’t we have freedom of speech in this country? Why are people being attacked on this website for their different stance on the issue? It wasn’t a good thing to do, taking a picture of an ATM machine when there has been a lot of robberies going on. Anyone can have their own opinion and should not be attacked for it.
Axewinder Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
S.R. your right everyone is entitled to his own opinion. These guys who criticize Dan have done nothing wrong but expressed their whole hearted opinion. I get pissed off at times and say things I regret later but hey it’s freedom of speech; At least it is on this forum. I would love to tell a judge off but I have the right to remain silent and anything I say could be used against me in a court of law. Our nation is divided upon opinion whether its elegant, or just down right shitty. so live with it.
assclown Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 12:30 am
wtf opinions are an expression of ones ideas and deserve to be attacked. The true test of ideas are will they withstand ridicule. Grow a spine bud.
chad Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:32 am
I have an ASSHOLE too!!!
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:09 am
I expect criticism in a more mature manner. People here who attack “trolls” are trolls themselves.
Robert Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
ScrewyL Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:58 am
SR, this is NOT an issue of “opinion”
The author broke no law. He was threatened by Loomis, wrongfully arrested by the police, and frivolously charged with tresspass by the store he patronized.
Three hole-in-one cases.
Go away.
ScrewyL Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:00 am
The coercive threat by loomis constitutes kidnapping as well, as it was intended to restrict his freedom of movement.
ScrewyL Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Threat of assault is also assault.
S.R. Reply:
May 17th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
This is where you should use your common sense, obviously someone is going to mess with you if you take a picture out of the blue of something that many people have been stealing these days.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
nice article
DeeDee Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Well written, too.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
everyone should walk around with cameras and take pictures of everything…give them a taste of their own 1984 big brother camera eyes!
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Make sure you get cheap disposable cameras, in case they take it away.. if you let ‘em.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
This was an illegal arrest and an illegal arrest is a kidnapping. Since it was committed under the implicit threat of their guns, this was a kidnapping under threat of murder. If any honest official gets ahold of this, this two nazis will be kicked into jail for many years and they will pay their victim a hefty compensation. How many decent officials will handle this case remains to be seen. It is saddening as well as infuriating, but given the aggressor’s confidence in their impunity, I would assume that corrupt officials are the norm in that area.
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Interesting story!!!! The only things I see wrong with this is this person did not challenge the renta cops on security procedures and if it specifically stated that persons may not photograph ATM’s. I would have just left and seen if they tackled me, because I know they would just love to have a hefty lawsuit on their hands not to mention, I would put those two clowns out on the street in a bread line.
Because this person did not really take action and seems to just whine about the situation, I say FAIL……Get involved or just keep on getting trampled on.
novaconn3 Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
I have to somewhat reluctantly agree that you have a valid point, and a damn good one. People need to challenge the power hungry little rat-shit-fucks of this world and put them in their place or they will continue to believe they can just walk on us all like their personal shoe mats. Fuck that!! Do something on the spot instead of waiting till afterward to bitch and moan about how you LET them get away with it.
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:59 am
I’m a “rentacop” myself. Those guys don’t know anything at all. There’s nothing wrong with taking a picture, but the proper procedure is to..
A) Not worry about it. It’s just the inside of an ATM. I’m sure you can get actual blueprints somewhere else.
or
B) Ask what the picture was taken for. If there was really any point to writing a report, ask them for their name. If they say no, then ask them to make up one or put N/A. Why ask for an ID? That isn’t their private corporation’s site, because if it was, then the author would really have to present an ID.
Bad representation of security officers. Most likely the typical “I have a gun and a uniform so I have the same authority as a police officer.” Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong. Those two deserve to be written up at the least.
none Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:14 am
’same authority as a police officer?’ Police officers work for a corporation too! Cities are incorporated, States and County too. Police officers are security guards when they ACT under the color of authority, they are Peace Officers when they uphold the Law of and secure the peace. Police officer=policy officer, that is what Police means. Learn some law, then you can charge these clowns a fee for stealing your time. Make the contract payable in Gold or silver coin of the US MINT only, as they are sworn to uphold the constitution, and only gold and silver coin are lawfull money in the united States.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
What happened to freedom?
May 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I called loomis and Fargo and They have someone speaking spanish answering the phone.
John Henke Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
See senior, eets les expeensive!
vikingscool Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 3:02 am
F— loomis and Fargo!
May 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
dIDN’t like you taking a picture of him on his knees?? me thinks thats why
May 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Retarded Steriod Ingesting Skinhead Renta-Cops are out of control as are the “real cops”.
I for one will never but anthing from REI again and I have spent $1000’s over the years at their stores and websites. What was once a cool place to shop has turned into the walmart of the sporting goods stores stocking overpriced Chinese made crap and claining to give you a break on in the form of a small rebate. Get better service from people who appreaciate our remaining freedoms at sportsmansguide.com
http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/
John Henke Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I hate $7.00 per hour rent a cops!
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Aw. I’m not retarded. I respect people.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Seriously, he has the right to take that picture. And yeah, that’s a pretty good reason. I do the same exact thing. I love seeing what’s in the inside of a machine. It’s very interesting to learn the workings of technology.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Sorry kid but you sound like a jackass.
John C. Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Which “kid” you referring to “B”?
May 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Let’s take pictures of the picture takers. It’s getting all too common for us people to have to show our ID for almost any reason. Loomis, nor REI has a right to anybody’s personal information. It’s even questionable that many police departments can REQUIRE an individual to show their ID. Beware if you don’t, though !!
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:07 am
Just gotta ask them “Why?”
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
there is no law in the US that a citizen must provide ID on demand. read the constitution if you disagree because that IS the supreme law of the land. there is no law requiring a citizen to even have a state issued ID. if you do produce a state issued ID to a policy officer then your person can be acted upon. until that point there is no proof that you even are a legal person and there is no authority that can legally act upon you. ALL STATUTORY CRIME IS COMMERCIAL.
Thor Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I recall seeing a video a couple of years ago about someone carrying a sidearm ( I think Pa.) Anyways, he refused to show the police his ID. He made quite the ruckus. He cited constitutional and state law. I don’t know those particular laws or references.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Don’t bother Dan, He’s just another asshat Troll. You can probably find him trolling all over the site.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
we are a paranoid nation, and you dan are an ignornat man
May 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Jason AKA sweetjustice AKA Troll:
Fail
May 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Dan, the only “clown around here is you, sell-out! Why take the picture? Because HE HAS THE FUCKING RIGHT TO! If this loser rent a cops wanted true “privacy” they would put up a quick block screen or some such non-sense. THEY are the ones that made the decision to put the machine in a PUBLIC place; hence it is open to OPEN SOURCE public viewing. This guy that got detained by the real police should immediately file a civil rights lawsuit and false arrest. Even the “trespassing charge” is invalid because one must be warned at least once before the police can LEGALY violate a citizens RIGHTS! “On the spot” trespassing (which is the term for no prior warning of trespass on/in a semi-public place, such as a store open to the public as seen here” needs to tell a person he is no longer welcome. The courts, in countless cases have upheld that “on the spot” or “zero prior warning” of trespass is a violation of a persons rights. Since telepathy has not been scientifically proven or considered as an official court finding of guilt. A person MUST be warned that he is no longer allowed to enter a store OPEN TO THE GENARAL PUBLIC.
So “Danny” old boy, there goes your childish argument of “Why take a picture in the first place”! Why? BECAUSE HE HAS THE FUCKING RIGHT TO! No other reasons need to be debated… now fuck off loser.
Matt Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:14 am
The only troll I see in that post is you.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
To clarify: Dan is the troll I’m referring to.
KrispyCritter Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
And not worthy of all the attention everyone is giving him.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
You don’t need a reason to take a picture. Security guards have no authority to apprehend, search, I.D. or otherwise disturb members of the public. Police need probable cause to do so. You’d best stand up for the rights of others; next time you may be the clown.
makesmesick Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
… And WTF gives a rent-a-cop the right to carry a gun in public and a normal citizen can’t?
(In MS you can’t go anywhere with a gun according to the conceal carry paperwork i was reading. so what’s the point? )
diven Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Probably an armed security guard commission…
May 12th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Why were you arrested by the police? What law did you violate? If the police did not have probable cause to arrest you they are liable. You should see an attorney.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
thats out of order.
should have just walked out the shop, what they gonna do to stop ya … pistol whip ya ?
so glad i dont live in the states with muppets tooled up with shooters thinking they have a purpose.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
http://images.google.com/images?q=open+atm
May 12th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
If I was a cop I would have simply walked up to him and asked why he was taking the picture.
novaconn3 Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
And if you were a cop and you walked up to ME and asked me that question, I’d ask you why you were asking me. If you did not have a damn good and legal reason for asking me, I would look at you as if you were a fucking retarded fool and walk away from you as if you had the fucking plague.
mutant underground Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
in this day and age, the cop would then taser you and beat you with a baton.
then arrest you.
and then say, “you rebel scum.”
Nick Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:31 am
ScrewyL Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Correct. That is why you pull “rank”, and use it.
vikingscool Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 3:03 am
If I was cop, I will asking him, but I don’t need to arrest him.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Why don’t these people who are assaulted by law enforcement take these goons to court? You can file a private prosecution and a civil claim against them.
That’s what I would do.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I think we should spread this out and boycott REI. How dare do they say you transpassed. You are a customer. I guess they will now tell every customers transpass thier property if they don’t like them.
I know it’s the cops who said that but we should start protest, make the public know of the incident via main media. Make REI deals with the cops. Let them sue the cops and see what will the cops say.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Well they just got yours…
May 12th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
IF they cant allow people to see the guts of that machine, they need to set up a curtain before they open it. This is absolute crap. I hope this guy sues the everloving CRAP outta these clowns.
Heres something I got from AJ’s show. I looked this up & printed it, cut it out & I carry it with me always.
Anyone who, under color of law, deprives any citizen of rights, priveledges, or immunities secured by United States Constitution is subject to civil &/or criminal penalties pursuant to title 42 U.S.C. section 1983, 1985, 1986 and /or Title 18 USC section 241 & 242.
If a cop or anyone who BELIeves himself to have power/control over me starts to step across the line, I’ll be ready to read them that little ditty.
Thank You, Alex. No SOLUTIONS they say? Wrong.
I applaud the guy who took the picture. Way to GO, Mister!
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May 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
We the Sheeple… are being herded into an ever more confined realm of “Freedom.” We are in lock-step with history’s most notorious nations, those that have suffered demise through enslavement and murder. We all know who the Nazi’s are. We know who the Communists are. We know that millions of people died under their oppressive rule. Sadly, few Americans have considered that the most obvious historical parallels to these have already been achieved. A very simple study of history shows that our current trajectory has historically ended tragically.
Our country was not founded on the principles of subjugation and obedience. Our forefathers not only established a frame work for our freedom, they also warned of the threats that would inevitably arise to challenge it. They did not warn of “Terrorism” or “Swine Flu.” They warned us of the expansion of government and the abuse of power. When confronted with either threat they empower the people and implored the people to FIGHT their oppressors.
When our rights are unjustly limited, it is our DUTY to push back – whether we feel we should, or need to in that moment, or not. Rights, not exercised will atrophy. Given the current rate of government expansion, rights lost, will be lost forever.
So… TAKE THE PICTURE EVERY TIME! Do not bow to the whims of thug “enforcement officials” simply to avoid inconvenience. To do so is to dodge your allegiance to your country. Instead, take the opportunity to wake your fellow citizens.
Great article. Thank you.
Nelson
Peter Courtenay Stephens Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Excellent post, Nelson. Thank You.
Death to Tyrants
May 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Strategy, it’s the only talk that matters!
http://www.warnthepeople.org/the-open-forum.html
May 12th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I used to work for ATM company and would have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the cassetts in plain sight at the airport and I never had a gun or uniform.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Just another idiot with a camera. Trying to provoke and make something out of nothing. He deliberately snapped that picture to cause conflict.
LoloPakalolo Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I’m glad, it worked. Never give up your rights just because they ask.
chad Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:52 am
No your the idiot, ms. paul revere . the guards made the stink.!!!
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Paul Revere would NEVER have had that attitude. you are a fraud, sir. the reason he took the picture is irrevelent to the fact that his rights were violated.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
It sounds to me like you have transferred authority issues from your childhood. You really don’t understand the implications of taking pictures of people loading money into an a.t.m. machine and its internals? If the schematics and photos of a.t.m.’s are all over the internet, why bother going up behind people and taking their picture in the first place? You sound really silly and contentious, and this isn’t a case of abuse of authority, it’s a case of playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. How about I stand behind you and take pictures while you use an a.t.m.? Are you still okay with that? Nothing illegal there. How about I angle my camera and capture you putting in you p.i.n. code with the video function? Still nothing technically illegal there. How about I go and pick up your trash bags and rummage through them at my place whilst wearing a pair of rubber gloves? It’s discarded, and technically not illegal to do.
There is just too much real abuse to waste time on self-induced stupidity like this. People like you taint the image of the real infowarrior, and you need to grow up.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
While Im not particularly siding with them, i have an issue with the way you handled the situation, and no those Loomis guys dont “play cops”. They GUARANTEE ANY AND ALL HOLDINGS AND TRANSFERS, you know how many crazy fucks would get a wild hair up their ass and try to off them and steal their loot? He asked you nicely to come talk to him WHEN YOU WERE DONE (not interrupting your business). Then you began to run your mouth it sounds like. IDK who you are, you WILL be hassled if for nothing more than being a punk.
chad Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:53 am
FUCK OFF
TNathe Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 8:13 am
lol, okaaaay…you know, that was such an intelligent response. How about REFUTING my claims asshole.
none Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Hey, maybe you should understand- the Federal Reserve Notes in those machines are pieces of paper, they are worth NOTHING, I will never give up any rights as a man because the Federal Reserve wants to put on a show and act like paper is worth more then any right.
The Federal Reserve, the IMF, the Banking cartel ARE the CRIMINALS. I do not use their notes accept under DURESS and PROTEST! If anyone here or anywhere else had any clue of the truth of these scum, they would hang them in the streets. Read what President Andrew Jackson had to say about the interantional Bank scum and learn something!
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
you make some good points but he still had no obligation to talk to them. while it may have diffused the situation, it also could have turned out much worse. I had a similar experience at a concert when I took a picture of the backstage area and some security punk walked by and thought I took one of him. I stood my ground and would not comply with his demands. when an employee of the venue came and asked me to come talk I agreed as long as it was in a public area. I served that punk a good dose of reality as I questioned his authority and asserted my rights in front of about 15 security geeks and employees. If I hadn’t handled it the way I did this punk would have had me thrown out or arrested. you know what? I’d do it again, and further, I will continue to take pictures in public areas whenever the hell I feel like it.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Was that a printer i saw there
May 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
What a bunch of Crap! I used to be one of those disgruntalled ATM technicians, this stuff happens all the time and IS NO BIG SECRET! I have to agree with some of the posts above, to take you away in such a manner should be considered assault the moment they touched you and it became kidnapping the moment they hauled you away, to say “I will tackle you” is a threat and you should have called him on it, you could have retired on his stupidity. I would seriously think about finding a good lawyer and making them pay you a “stimulus package”. These idiots did all of the wrong things. Why is the man in the safe with his back to the crowd while his “security” is half way wrapped up in the reciept tape? Why were you allowed to get so close to the machine to begin with? Anyone thats had a basic pistol class can tell you that anyone inside 10ft can be on top of you before you can draw your weapon! Its just pathetic! Acting like an ATM is a nuclear warhead is STUPID! The things can’t even dispense cash without double feeding, jamming, or shredding bills, they are hardly TOP SECRET items. These guards should have been more concerned about the distance between you and them than the photo you took. I had several people approach just to see me put cash into the machine that I turned away to achieve the distance, not to protect cash dispensing technology that consists of statically charged plastic arms and a conveyor belt. Give me a break.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Just out of curiosity. How is this administration different from say the 1930 Nazi’s, in Germany, or Stalin’s USSR? They attack free speech. They try and isolate citizens for their political and religious beliefs and they attack or ignore the Founding Documents of Law?
The Fairness Doctrine is little different than was the burning of Books in 1933 by the Nazi’s. Drown out your opponents by garbling the message or obliterating it.
The attacks on civilians and returning military for their possible contrary political beliefs or religious beliefs or suspected beliefs, by calling them potential domestic terrorists, because they have bumper stickers and or support third party candidates or The Constitution.
The attack on the 2nd Amendment rights by various members of the political elite. The 1938 Gun Confiscation laws of Hitler’s Nazi Germany have been offered into legislation.
No there is not one scintilla of difference between Obama’s political attacks on his enemies and those of Adolph Hitler or Joseph Stalin or Mao Ste Tung. Yes! Obama and his henchmen are attempting to instill a Fascist/Marxist enslavement on America. Wake Up People. Get up off your bellies.
Will the next segment be the Cultural Revolution? or will it be just a general round up of dissidents under the Domestic Terrorist dishonesty from The Homeland Security Administration. Maybe they will make Patriots wear arm bands with stars on them.
This political comment is offered under the protections of the 1st and 2nd Amendments of the United States Constitution
as ratified Jan. 15,1791
May 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Hi, dan. You’re an idiot scumbag, dan. Many, many people agree that you suck shit out of a straw, dan. Shut the fuck up, dan. Don’t post here anymore, dan. We hate you, and everyone that likes you, dan. Could you please just fucking drop dead for us all, dan? Thanks, dan. You’re an asshole, dan.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
You sound like a paranoid fruitcake!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Dan you are a Good Man I mean Sheep…. Follow orders and all will be well!
The the only thing required for Evil to triumph, is for Good Men to do nothing.
So Dan Wake Up. You live in a growing police state. I know this type of person and about 80% of Americans hold this same viewpoint. ( If it doesn’t directly affect me why worry about it? )
The rest of you guys Check out my website and come chat in the Infowars chatroom!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
japan is really gonna get pissed when we can’t buy any more cameras.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
just called the cops: the cop said it is not illegal to take a picture of an atm when people are working on it or refilling it. I mentioned the specific incedent and he said he knew what I was talking about but again got really defensive and siad he could not comment.
Everybody call the numbers now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
i enjoy alex jones, but i think you need to watch his interviews with bill cooper. i don’t know who the hell to trust anymore, other than my bible.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
WOOPS LOOMIS!!!!!.
You opened a big can of ugly worms on Infowars on this one.
All those links to photos of ATM MACHINES.
Oh i bet i can take a picture of LOOMIS using GOOGLE street level view!!!!!.
The addy was provided in the story,ha ha .
Oh you rouge government really stick your foot in your mouth when you try to nab a prisonplanet infowars FAN.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
If only he just acted like a docile sheep this wouldn’t have happened.
TNathe Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 8:14 am
no, if he had acted with RESPECT this wouldnt have happened.
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
No, if the loomis employees had acted with respect this never would have happened. I wouldn’t have wanted to talk to them either. explain to me why a report needed to filed, and why they needed his ID for that matter. No crime was commited by this individual.
FREEDOMFIGHTER Reply:
May 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I WOULD HAVE SMACKED THAT NAZI FUCK SO HARD HIS BOYFRIEND WOULD HAVE FELT IT !!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Why not take the picture on the way out of the store? The guy was asking for trouble by sticking around.
LoloPakalolo Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
WTF, sticking around after taking a picture is asking for trouble? I think not. You can give your rights away, i’ll keep mine.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Sounds like a lawsuit to me. What law was broken? What PC led to an arrest?
May 12th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
If you think it’s ok they arrested him for taking a picture, then that would mean they have the power to arrest anyone who was there and saw with their eyes, the men filling the machine. After all, the picture is just a still image of what the naked eye would see.
Guy must have been on a power trip. I know some guys that work for Loomis and have heard some of those guys think they are the police. Sad.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Dan, WHY are you here???
May 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
HA! Nuts. Maybe with all this info its time to shut down the internet?….;)
May 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
“After being worried about me taking a picture of the inside of an ATM, Officer Debra Pelich typed in the code to open the garage door to the police station right in front of me without hiding the keypad at all. Classic.”
Uh, can we have the code?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Sears had a cow when I took a photo of one of their safes. “You can’t take pictures in here.” They didn’t ask for the cell phone and didn’t push it.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
It’s the whole “making the world a safer place for you pussies” mentality. Just like in the move 9/11 road to tyranny explains, everything that is freedom related when down the shit hole after that day. In my town, I can’t even walk into a bank (federal branch or independent) with a hat on. WTF IS THAT!?!? oh no he has a hat on, he must be concealing a weapon under that. Now mind you, I was just wearing a regular hat (maybe because it was a 9/11 truth hat, i don’t know, just maybe) But anyway, I was told to remove my hat upon entry of the bank, by the 2 security guards standing at the CCTV littered front door. CCTV every where around the out side of the building, and on the interior and they still freak out over a person wearing a hat in the bank? Really Amerika, is this what we’ve become?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
woohoo!… what do i win for being on the list? lol
i want the toaster.
LoloPakalolo Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I want the m1911a.
thedon Reply:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I want a toaster too
May 12th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I’m trying to figure out whether this is just a bunch of useful idiots being trained to act like Nazis and look out for “suspected terrorists”.
Or.. whether the technological slave grid being set up is so weak that taking a mere picture of it would wreck the whole thing.
Both options are frightening, but I think it’s the first. One of their big games is playing us off against each other. And this is exactly that.
If I was one of the people doing maintenance on the machine, I wouldn’t care if anyone took a picture, because I’m not a bad person. These people aren’t bad either. I just think that they’ve been given some kind of “terrorist watchout” instruction.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Did you hear the caller yesterday that said he got a flash of inspiration (well I think he said jesus told him but who cares – it’s good) that WARNING is an acronym for We Are Right Now In Nazi Germany.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
So the SCOTUS says we have no assumption of privacy outside the home, yet here are 2 Rent a Pigs demanding privacy? If the the ATM Man was up on his rights, he could have prevented his future troubles by blurbing those lines to the baseball caps.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
1st reply to “makesmesick”. Guess what, these rent a cops as you call them are trained and required to know how to handle the responsiblity of carrying a firearm. I’m not defending them just stating a fact that they are “licened” by there state to carry an “exposed” sidearm. Besides that I never heard once in the story that that threated to use force or even touched their guns in a threatening manner.
Now, The cops didnt need to get envolved, the store secuirty, didnt need to get envoled ,only in the scope of having them take it outside. I belive you could have a nice “false Imprisionment “case. Theres no way you should let them get away with this. Unless, the armored guard company, and the REI(store) company can show that there was a posted warning about taking pictures of the equipment and or personal in plain sight for all to see.
Below is a guide line of the basic class’s given to those who want to become a “Peace Officer”
I. LEARNING NEED
Peace officers must have an understanding of the amendments to the U.S. Constitution, and similar sections of the California Constitution that are related to the authority, liability, and responsibility they have in making arrests.
LEARNING OBJECTIVES
A. Recognize a peace officer’s responsibility in relation to the protections and rights included in the following amendments to the U.S. Constitution and related California Constitution sections:
1. Fourth Amendment
2. Fifth Amendment
3. Sixth Amendment
4. Fourteenth Amendment
B. Recognize a peace officer’s responsibility in relation to the protections included under federal civil rights statutes
Best of luck, keep taking pictures! It pisses them off we have proof!!!!
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May 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Obey my name, its all I have to say.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
before you gab everything, call your local bar association, sue them all on civil rights charges, false arrest for one.
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May 12th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
this was a stupid thing to do infront of cops, ur pretty much asking for trouble
but at the same time he should be allowed to, theres no law saying u cant take a pic of the inside of an atm machine
May 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
THOSE RENT A COPS HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING. THEY CAN ONLY OBSERVE.
SUE THEM IN FEDERAL COURT BUT FIRST MAKE A FEDERAL COMPLAINT TO SEE IF THE GOVERNMENT WILL SPONSER A QUI TAM LAWSUIT AND THEN SUE THEM IF POSSIBLE $$ UNDER QUI TAM. THE BAD PART OF THE QUI TAM IS IF YOUR GONNA WIN MANY WILL JOIN TO TAKE A SHARE OF THE BOUNTY.
SUE THEM ALL REI, LOOMIS AND SEATTLES FINEST.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I still think you were trying to case the ATM so you could go back and steal from it later.
Maybe it’s you we should be watching out for!
May 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Me: Dan, step into my office.
Dan: Why?
Me: Cause you’re fu**ing fired, that’s why!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
My letter to REI:
Dear REI,
I would like you to know that I am urging everyone I know to boycott your company due to the unconscionable treatment received by Mr. Shane Becker for simply taking a photo of an ATM being refilled recently at your Seattle store. Your employees called security on Mr. Becker though he did nothing illegal. The proper response would have been to tell the Loomis employees to stop harassing your CUSTOMER, but your staff stepped up the harassment against your own CUSTOMER by demanding his ID. When the police showed up, your staff had another opportunity to make thing right by letting them know that your CUSTOMER did nothing wrong, but your staff refused. Perhaps you should post a notice in your store apprising customers of the types of legal activities (like photography) that they can be harassed and/or arrested for while shopping at REI. Until I see an apology posted prominently on your website, I will be shopping at other stores for my many outdoor needs. The fourth amendment to the US constitution prohibits the conduct that you condoned. Shame on you REI! Next time you conduct a ’sustainability evaluation’ of your company, perhaps you should visit the topic of violating the constitutional rights of your customers. I’m sure the other customers at your store were as appalled as I am. In case you are still wondering how to correct this error in judgment, here are my suggestions:
1. Educate your staff people how to stop Loomis employees from harassing your CUSTOMERS.
2. Inform Loomis that both of the goons that harassed Mr. Becker are never to be allowed back in the store.
3. Apologize to your CUSTOMER Mr. Becker, and revoke your ‘trespassing ban’
4. Refund the cost for the item he was trying to purchase when he was harassed.
5. Issue a public apology on the front page of your website.
I’ll remind you that given the current economy, this is not a good time to have Seattle and Portland boycotting your otherwise great store.
REI Member
Mike O
May 12th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Well look, those guys weren’t completely out of line. They work with lots of money and they do have a good reason to be concerned when people they don’t know start taking pictures of them working on an ATM. Given that armored truck guards do get shot in robbery attempts every year, I don’t blame them for being a bit paranoid. You probably could have handled it a bit better.
Having said that, they overreacted. Once the cops showed up, it was a forgone conclusion that it would escalate so you probably should have just left. The guard couldn’t have stopped you.
A couple of points:
You shoudn’t have said anything to the cops. If they arrest you, ask for a lawyer. You should always make them prove their case. If they have to arrest you, it has to be for a reason and it has to stand up in court.
Also, I wouldn’t have signed ANYTHING. They can’t make you sign anything so don’t. You don’t have to get rude with them, just politely decline and ask for a lawyer.
(by the way, nothing here is meant to be legal advice, so contact your own attorney)
You might try contacting an attorney about a possible lawsuit against the armored car company, since it was they who essentially detained you even though you were breaking no laws.
For future reference though, never say anything to these people, let them do all the talking and make all the mistakes. That will make it a lot easier when the time comes to file a lawsuit.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
Do WHAT? Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Like I said earlier,,,, IF what they are doing is such a big deal & they need some privacy, they should stand a partition/Curtain in front of the machine. Its not really very bright to expect a lot of privacy in the hallway of the mall.
HillbillyJihad&TheBubbaLiberationFront Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Actually…it should be loaded in a controlled environment like an armory. Loomis has some obvious security problems for the safety/delivery of fiat $!!! In the 90’s…a Brinks driver was shot and killed In Bexley, Ohio with ONLY 1 day from retirement with the U.S. Army Reserve. Y’all got it…his wife fought with them over his pension quite some time and finally they backed the fuck off and gave it to her after all the hubbub!!! Talk about a Brokedick thought process!!! The Senate, one tour of 6 years, gets FULL PAY re-instated at the age 60 til’ death and the surviving spouse laps up the rest in same manner!!! I’ll not Thermally Expand further. “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Not saying anything to policy officers is good advice. it is your right
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Come on …we live in a police state and each day they are chipping away freedoms and passing more legislation to control people.
Control…CONTROL….
control the ammo..not the guns if you cant get it or its 500% inflated after June…they have control
now control the water…they want to control the water cause we cant live without it…
next control the food supply….control the food you control the people.
then control the money…sorry those welfare checks wont be ou this month
control the media…thats here and now
control the commerce iof ….mport/export
control fuels….keep short supplies available
control TRAVEL…………checkpoints and road closures
people standing in lines like Russia in the 60-70’s for TOILET PAPER
they got us where they want us at that point….but if you place all your personal info in this rfid chip then you can have all the things you want back…..if you dont….FEMA camp bound…and your wealth and possessions were just spread around to Obamas cousins you will not exist and the plastic coffins in Atlanta will be filled at a rapid rate and the population will decrease by 30-40%….
problems are solved the NAU is in place……………..
The NWO has taken over and they have assumed CONTROL………….
camels-nose-under-the-tent-flap Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:16 am
obama will never allow the witholding of welfare checks…thats his voter base…he would be out of office in 3 months if he did that…you are mostly correct on the other points but those monthly checks will be going out when the country is a radioactive wasteland…
May 12th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
I saw a picture of your mom on the internet, wish I didn’t.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Thanks for the report.
Cameras of the people are feared.
“You have been trespassed by REI and can’t go back for a year”
Sounds like an ‘82 Hospital that forced the termination of the parent’s audio recording in the delivery room.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:48 am
You’re a good man for standing up for your rights. As I told a transit authority security guard once in New York City (at the World Trade Center PATH station), “This is the United States. I can take pictures anywhere I want. The First Amendment says so.”
May 13th, 2009 at 2:06 am
So you pass a CCW class so you can get a job and…”WaLaa”…”Looky here Ma’…These purty JackBoots are shiny and I’s a gettin’ em’ for free!!! They can have that fuckin’ job for $12.00 an hour!!! Turnover rate is probably off the charts!!! Not only that…There’re monitored at EVERY machine any way. What if the store owner posted his private security to the public??? Then what would Jonny JackBoot do(WWJBD)??? Had that dude been a Seattle Officer…not a FUCKIN’ word would have been said for his/her actions!!! They would’ve got…”Hey officer how’s it goin???” Y’all know…For the most part(99% of the time)…the public good is being infringed. It’s all about the love. “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
May 13th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Like always, the author got private security guards and the police mixed up. Security guards have no police powers. So when the guard told the author he couldn’t leave, he committed the crime of illegal detainment. If everything really happened like it was written in this story, the author has grounds for a huge lawsuit against both the armored car company and the store they were inside at the time. He can also file a criminal complaint against the security guard. If it were me, I’d be happy to spend a couple of hours in a jail cell for the opportunity of making hundreds of thousands of dollars from suing the two companies. That sure beats the $30,000 a year I make now working at a job.
And one last thing. The police cannot “make” you sign a tresspassing warning, and they cannot keep you in jail for not signing one.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:07 am
You guys need to grow up. You’re more immature than dan.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Funny how you guys attack people who question or have a different opinion about an article. The writer knew it would stir up trouble, which is why he did it. He was trying to prove a point, obviously.
Do we have a right to take pictures? Of course we do. If he took pictures of the inside of a bank from many angles, there’d be a problem.
Dan has a right to question. Give him a straight up answer or shut up. Insulting, trolling, etc. is unacceptable. It just shows how immature you guys really are. I see this coming from people who claim to be an “InfoWarrior”
This isn’t about who’s right or who’s wrong, it’s about one goal: Eliminating the one enemy that messed up our WHOLE LIFE just so they can rule the world.
Please tell me you guys can drop the attitudes and hatred and focus. Thanks.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Here in California, non felons can legally walk around (careful not near a school) with a holstered, unloaded, exposed handgun (loaded mag
May 13th, 2009 at 3:51 am
Oh dear, pulled the 9/11 line on this guy? I wonder how long it is til we are no longer allowed to own cameras or video cameras at all.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I wouldn’t be too worried about those rent-a-cop vest in the picture. They look like the same thrust vest they use here in Texas prisons. The vest are designed to stop a knife and if your lucky it will stop a 9mm at point blank range.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Now you must find out where this guard lives and beat the shit out of him or annihilate his car. If you don’t, you have no honour.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Why haven’t you sued for false imprisonment and false arrest?
camels-nose-under-the-tent-flap Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:21 am
thats a good point…they trampled on a lot of your rights,at least under my states laws…I dont know abut the left coast
May 13th, 2009 at 8:14 am
what a lame bastard you are dan….
I bet when you are arrested for nothing you will also be pissed off about it…
you are seriously a fuckwit and a half, omg lol…
May 13th, 2009 at 8:48 am
You’re lucky that they didn’t taze you and charge you as an enemy combatant.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Maybe one day these cops spouting 911 will investigate the “planes” of 911. To this day not one single piece of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations has ever been verified by anyone on the planet. 911 was a conspired lie. The “planes of 911″ have given anyone of authority the ability to arrest, torture, detain without charges, murder, invade, and threaten anyone on the planet. Because the planes of 911 were a lie….the “authorities” behavior and actions are based on lies.
justanotherkook Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
c’mon. there were thousands of witnesses in NYC that saw the planes. not to mention numerous amatuer videos of the plane with audio. are they all liars? all the videos fake? the debris scattered over PA when that plane was shot down looked pretty real to me
mono Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Videos, photos, and witnesses have never in aviation history proven or verified an airliner crash. Never. Only wreckage verifies a plane crash. The video, eyewitness, or photo of blood will never determine its type or DNA. Only the physical verification can do that. Airliner crashes are no different. When you finally understand what no commercial planes on 911 means, your trust of media and what you have been fed to “believe” will be shattered. How you deal with it will be up to you.
Always remember that the FIRST thing you were told on 911 was that planes had crashed. The FIRST thing that Bush told you was that planes had crashed. The FIRST thing Bush said to the UN a month after 911 was that we can never allow outrageous conspiracy theories regarding the fact that there were no planes. The FIRST thing FBI agents threatened Pentagon workers with was “take the money, shut up, and there were planes”. No commercial planes on 911 means much more than an “inside job”. It means the end to Trillions of dollars in business and political decisions. Once the world knows there were no commercial planes on 911 entire wars must end. The establishment will do anything to prevent a collapse of power.
Just…I wish you the best in coming to terms with no commercial planes on 911. You seem to have a very strong root system of trust with the US military owned media. It will be more painful for you to come to terms with because of this trust. It’s kind of like finding out your trusted priest has molested all the church children. Your “beliefs and trusts” will be shaken to the core.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:18 am
You really should have just gotten in your car and left…instead of debating them. Did you think they were debating you for intellectual purposes…they were waiting for the real cops to come arrest you.
camels-nose-under-the-tent-flap Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:22 am
correct…bad move on his part
May 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Take as many photos of them as you can.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:39 am
you can’t win with the lug nuts on you. best thing to do is wish them well. their world sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyMAV6If_eo
May 13th, 2009 at 10:23 am
never bow down to a rent-a-cop or other “security guard” type..thay have no authority
Retrofitter Reply:
May 15th, 2009 at 9:37 am
in Belgium there’s also an increasing form of *security* — now we have them in all major train stations in red vest and black pants (army type) uniforms wearing a belt with all kinds of pockets (no gun). Most of them I figure out are long term unemployed on a program, but that’s just the idea I’m getting observing their posture.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I would not piss on these bastards if they were on fire…they aren’t worth my urine…the peak of the human male ego is going down…the more it is dying the more it struggles to survive…some will go down with the titanic…there is still room on the lifeboats…get out while you can…the mentality of fear is self destructing…there is only a choice…between fear or love…
May 13th, 2009 at 11:59 am
fall out boy f*ckin sucks
May 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Sue the Bastards.
May 13th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
so what? are we gonna live in fear? this is still america and our rights cannot be legislated away no matter what anybody says. we were born with our rights and it is our duty to protect and defend them whatever the cost. we are all on so many lists that it’s pointless to worry about it anyway.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Yeah, it reminds me of the time that me and some friends were hanging out on public property. A cop car pulls up and asks what were doing, we explain that were just hanging out. The cop says that they got ‘called out there because of reports of property being damaged’ I point out what should have been plainly obvious from even driving by, that no property is in any ways damaged. The response I get is “One more smart-ass answer out of you and I’m going to drag your ass downtown” to which I reply “for breaking which law?” finally after about a half hour of pointless noise the cop tells us to get out of there. I’m sure that’s how I ended up on some government list somewhere. I’m sure we’re all on another list for visiting this site and another for loving freedom and another for standing up for our rights. Everyone here should close their bank accounts, default on credit card debts and engage in peaceful civil disobedience. It worked for Gandhi against the british empire it can work for us to.
The only rights we truly have are those we refuse to yield. Stand up for your rights, stand up for your neighbors , stand up for the rights of those you do not know. Fight the good fight my friends.
May 14th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Don’t ATM’S have cameras?
May 14th, 2009 at 1:56 am
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May 14th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Awesome story, Shane! (Shane?, right?)
Best article I’ve read here in a lil’ while.
You did it all the SMART way.
So, how does your bike hitch work fer ya’?
May 14th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Can the truth be harmed? Can truth feel pain? Does truth get embarrassed? Does truth care about a belief system or have preconceived notions and assumptions? Does the truth care about lies, disinformation, or blatant falsehoods? Only when you combine the truth with a movement involving people can the truth be harmed.
You can never “harm” the truth. The truth is the truth. It can never be harmed. It will always be.
There were no commercial planes on 911. How you deal with that truth is up to you. Though everyone in the world will tell you that the official story is the truth. That what the military owned media showed you on 911 was the truth. That what your law enforcement and judicial demanded you obey was the truth. That what all agencies and government leaders told you was the truth. Guess what….there were no commercial planes on 911. The truth can never be harmed. Despite Trillions of dollars, millions of deaths, continued aggression and war, endless spending, elimination of rights, thousands tortured and detained…..the truth remains. There were no commercial planes on 911. It was all a lie. Just like the WMD’s in Iraq….it was ALL an intelligence failure and a lie.
The criminal actions of the military owned US media will never be forgotten. The US government is now passing laws that greatly protect this “mass media” and the lies they have told. Has everyone noticed that almost every perpetrator of 911 is or has received “bailout money”? The auto industry was not part of 911. Right now the Pentagon spends $5 billion dollars a year to hire 28,000 people to do nothing but promote the “truth” of 911. The buy reporters, write the articles and news themselves, troll websites and promote lies, infiltrate “truth groups and movements”, and the most important is to lead the discussion AWAY from ever bringing up the TRUTH that there were no commercial planes on 911. Never forget that the truth can never be harmed. There were NO commercial planes on 911. 911 was a murderous lie.
Ps…there is a global media blackout regarding no planes on 911. By law…if your local media were to start reporting that there were no commercial planes on 911 their stations and print would be shut down by Homeland security. Think I’m kidding? Find out for yourself. There were no commercial planes on 911. It was all a lie.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Well my friends, we stand alone.
While my own experience was upsetting, at least the system didnt blacken me forever with a criminal record. Obviously though, i’ll be on the UK’s (illegal) DNA database forever.
Yea, so, I was in the town where I go to uni’. As I was walking down the street (I’d had a few drink, but I’m a friendly drunk) I started talking to a girl, she was loving it. Yea, so she had a boyfriend (beside her) who just happened to be an off-duty police officer. After he wispered to his on-duty officers, I was arrested, detained for eight hours, foribly stripped searched and funnily enough never charged with anything.
The worst was that they cut off a bracelet with enormous sentimental value.
Anyway, in two weeks ill finish my law degree. I romise to never join them.
Love u
Ross
mastakilla_187_uk@yahoo.co.uk
May 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
new here but had recently read some thoughts from thomas jefferson that might apply.
” no provision in our constitution ought to be dearer to man, than which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprizes of the civil authority”
“error of opinion may be tolerated, where reason is left free to combat it”
-pete
May 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
While you were busy taking pictures, how many real crimes were commited during the time the cops wasted on you?
May 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
EXERCISE YOUR FREEDOM SWAT A COP
May 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
WOW HOW MUCH DO YOU GUYS GET PAID TO EDIT COMMENTS? HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A PART OF THE BEAST?
May 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
WOW HOW MUCH DO YOU GUYS GET PAID TO EDIT COMMENTS? HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A PART OF THE BEAST?LLLLL
May 14th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
its an obsessive compulsive disorder mostly found in homo’s whos single mommas make them sit to take a piss.
May 15th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Social Science : 9-11 is the click in the head that provided the necessary attitude of such thugz as descibed above. Those that perpetuate 9-11 know damn well the mechanics of the ripple effect it causes. Those perpetuators (devisers that is, not the executers) have a holistic view of the world like no other. Compartmentalization is a wonderful thing for them.
May 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I think most of the comments miss the point. First in a surveillance/security society where cameras are everywhere and you are screened and probed daily it is natural to want to surveil those that surveil you. At every ATM there is a camera that takes pictures of those that use the machine and the area around the machine as well bank security cameras so you are constantly under surveillance in or near bank. The individual’s right to privacy is gone and evaporated under the Patriot Act. Since we are under the microscope without our consent then we should be able to put our society under the microsope.
It is interesting that the police can detain a private citizen wihthout formal charges or an arrest warrant, and just on the basis of mere suspicion. This is the true definition of a police state. The police must present formal charges to a suspect then read them their Miranda rights. I think the attitude now is “We the state can do what we want and you the citizen are our property and have no rights.” I think when every act is a criminal act then citizens have no choice but to live and act criminals to maintain their freedom.
My final thought is that what happened to just normal politeness. The Loomis security guards could have just him to not take anymore pictures rather threaten him with assault. Why this is a police matter I have no idea. I guess Bank ATMs are more important than preventing murders.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:24 am
Идея неплохая. Результатами практических исследований может кто-то поделиться?
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
Спасибо. Появилась еще одна мысль, но потребует частичной реорганизации моей мысли, займусь в выходные. Скоро поделюсь с читателями блога!
May 24th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
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May 26th, 2009 at 5:19 am
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