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Spy Bill Creates ‘Infrastructure for a Police State’
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Prism Webcast News
July 16, 2008
Mark Klein, the retired AT&T engineer who stepped forward with the technical documents at the heart of the anti-wiretapping case against AT&T, is furious at the Senate’s vote on Wednesday night to hold a vote on a bill intended to put an end to that lawsuit and more than 30 others.[Wednesday]’s vote by Congress effectively gives retroactive immunity to the telecom companies and endorses an all-powerful president. It’s a Congressional coup against the Constitution.
The Democratic leadership is touting the deal as a “compromise,” but in fact they have endorsed the infamous Nuremberg defense: “Just following orders.” The judge can only check their paperwork. This cynical deal is a Democratic exercise in deceit and cowardice.
Klein saw a network monitoring room being built in AT&T’s internet switching center that only NSA-approved techs had access to. He squirreled away documents and then presented them to the press and the Electronic Frontier Foundation after news of the government’s warrantless wiretapping program broke.
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Wired.com independently acquired a copy of the documents (.pdf) — which were under court seal — and published the wiring documents in May 2006 so that they could be evaluated.
The lawsuit that resulted from his documents is now waiting on the 9th U.S. Appeals Court to rule on whether it can proceed despite the government saying the whole matter is a state secret. A lower court judge ruled that it could, because the government admitted the program existed and that the courts could handle evidence safely and in secret.
But the appeals court ruling will likely never see the light of day, since the Senate is set to vote on July 8 on the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which also largely legalizes Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program by expanding how the government can wiretap from inside the United States without getting individualized court orders.
Klein continues:
Congress has made the FISA law a dead letter–such a law is useless if the president can break it with impunity. Thus the Democrats have surreptitiously repudiated the main reform of the post-Watergate era and adopted Nixon’s line: “When the president does it that means that it is not illegal.” This is the judicial logic of a dictatorship.
The surveillance system now approved by Congress provides the physical apparatus for the government to collect and store a huge database on virtually the entire population, available for data mining whenever the government wants to target its political opponents at any given moment-all in the hands of an unrestrained executive power. It is the infrastructure for a police state.
Neither the House nor the Senate has had Klein testify, nor have telecom executives testified in open session about their participation.
The bill forces the district court judge handling the consolidated cases against telecoms to dismiss the suits if the Attorney General certifies that a government official sent a written request to a phone or internet provider, saying that the President approved the program and his lawyers deemed it legal. Judge Vaughn Walker of the California Northern District can ask to see the paperwork, but would not be given leeway to decide if the program was legal.
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July 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Let them get everything into place!! We are almost home now!! But we still have the obligation to warn everybody about our impending doom!!
July 16th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
No law can be made retroactive Im sorry but it just doesn’t work like that. This just proves that the government entities are desperate to crawl out of the hole that they have dug for themselves.
Suicide is the only way out for our law makers and judges. When you take an oath to uphold a standard of humanity, and you violate those oaths the richter of justice comes down on the head of the one that violates. There’s no where to run and no where to hide from your self. Watching evil implode upon itself is just great. Just keep on violating your charter, president Bush and Congress, your pawns are your worst enemies and it will be for our enjoyment to watch you all kill yourselves one by one. People come with a built in system called “the guilt will kill you”. There is a planetary frequency that involves a direct aspect along with a triple planetary trine that will manifest mass suicide for all guilt ridden deviates. I wait for the day it hits the low and the pathetic liars. Begars of plenty beware of the demons that live within. No where to run no where to hide. Good luck to all. Aloha MCB
July 16th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Supreme Court rules CDA unconstitutional
June 26, 1997
Web posted at: 10:00 a.m. EDT (1400 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Supreme Court, in a landmark decision on Internet censorship, ruled Thursday that the Communications Decency Act is unconstitutional.
In delivering its decision, the court sided with earlier rulings barring enforcement of the 1996 legislation, which Congress passed without hearings as a last-minute addition to the sweeping Telecommunications Act.
Two federal appeals panels ruled unanimously last year that the law violated the free speech protections of the First Amendment.
………. ok…. so bills CAN be reversed…. this just needs to be challenged in the courts. not like congress hasn’t tried a million times before to chip away at our rights…. then we have to wait for supreme court rulings.
July 16th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Do not allow thier threats and oppresion to stop you from excersizing your right to speak freely. If they choose to keep an eye on us, let them know how you feel. I have a God given right to speak as I see fit. My message is not threatening, it is justified and important. This has happened many times before, educate yourselves and those arround you in order to prepare. Never give up, Never surender! Find some land, arm yourselves and grow your own food, do this my freinds and we’ll be alright.
July 16th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
They can’t do d’facto laws, legally. I think that the state law against that is also a federal law too. Am I wrong on this one?
July 16th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
So when I apply for a job in 10 years they can look at this, great!
July 16th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
How bout the domestic violence law that they made retroactive,if you were ever convicted of domestic violence you can’t have a gun,I wonder why this was’nt challenged by the NRA and other pro gun rights groups??
mike
July 16th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Trouble is LegalMind we shouldn’t have to pay more lawyers to defend it, or fight it–ever! If our elected officials were obeying the LAWS OF THE LAND AND THEIR OATH OF OFFICE none of these illegal, tyrant injustices of LAW and PEOPLE would occur.
FIRE 90% OF THE CONGRESS!!
July 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
The time for discussion has ended.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
If your a congress person start looking for a Mc Career. Your over and done! The criminals have covered their own asses for the last time. WE the people fire you congress persons for subverting the constitution which you took an oath to uphold. Now you pay the price for your traitorist actions.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
How much treason has to take place for you damn people to wake the fuck up?
July 16th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
How much time do you need to read the posts? This used to be an easy site to post comments but now I won’t waste my time any longer for I have no more to give to this bullshit of a movement that does nothing but talk shit and get together for more shit slinging. Nothing short of a national march on Washington and walking into congress and removing these cocksucking criminals including Cheney and Bush will do. This should be done with federal Marshals behind us to arrest the traitors and try them for treason. When they are swinging in the breeze is when I will live with ease.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Hey folk’s it’s nice to be able to vent and get all this s–t off your chest with everyone making their point’s and counter point’s, however we all need to do better then that.
If all of us try to come up with solution’s instesd of just bitching and complaining and getting absolutly nowhere we might be able to turn this thing around. it is my belief that we can take back America and do it very easily by voting out all incumbent’s. Can you imagine the fear we can send up their yellow bellied sap sucking spineless back’s once they see that the people are united behind this cause? If all we voted out was a couple of dozzen this first time around it would send a message to these criminal’s like they have never seen before.
“The highest proof of virtue is to possess boundless power without abusing it”…Lord Macaulay…
July 16th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Its time to act, vote these people out of office, Marshall and jjandi are correct….we have to start organizing rallies, marches on washington, patriot events on the mall in DC…..in our communities, in our States….if we only post our Rants and Raves…then as they said above….its really a waste…
Alex – Its time to act…and get a organized group together in the millions and make REAL BIG EVENT in DC….
July 16th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hell, Congress and the Senate are now an island of their own.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Alex Jones cracks me up, He says some matter of fact stuff thats so true and so correct and so absurd.
One good thing about this country we can sit here and lampoon the government! Im new to the computer and it just blows my mind what’s happening on this thing. Im in Hawaii on the Big Island where nothing is happening but the volcano. The government is so primitive and so corrupt and so ignorant. And everything is pretty slow and pretty cool. I have my complaints but I really am not feeling the same martial law pressures all are feeling. Marijuana is the big prohibition here. All the growers are going to jail and getting their properties seized. And the government continues to chip away at civil rights here. It is my hope that some military agency will take an action that will bring the powers of the Bush Cheney administration to a screeching halt. Well wishful thinking . Love to all MCB
July 17th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Honestly, are you serious? Vote these people out of office? Easy to say but hard to do. Even if people tried to I wouldn’t find it far fetched to think they will get vastly miscounted and spun. People are willfully ignorant in this country and things have to ultimately affect their bubble lifestyles for them to give a crap. It has to affect them in a tremendous way to where their balled up in the corner and pissing themselves. I’m totally not kidding, I talk about this stuff everyday to people and even if they acknowledge a lot of the facts, they still feel powerless and ultimately uncaring.
As long as you have the type of media that we have today, voting doesn’t matter. It’s a psychological battle, hence Alex Jones calling his show/website “INFOWARS”. I say taking care of the media comes first, then you can start thinking about voting people out of office. People are sheep, the politicians are the sheep dogs, and the media is the shephard. Marketing is king these days, in almost everything really. I mean, take apple products for example, cool product but an absolute rip off. However, people can be convinced to pay the money as long as they feel it’s “popular” and “cool”. Doesn’t matter wtf the product is, all that matters is the packaging and advertising behind it (aka The Hype).
This is an extreme analogy, but bear with me. You could almost sell an American a piece of shit as long as the package looks nice and Britney Spears promotes it and you have flashy or sexy ads. So you take away the media and the rest of America can just see the shit for what it is and realize that they’ve been conned. However, as long as you have the media that we have today, any piece of shit can look like a bowl of roses at face value to most willfully ignorant Americans.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Prhodes….
Media is one avenue, mass effect is another….multiplied numbers in a public forum does show Shit for what it really is Shit…if millions marched, like the million man march does in DC then we could make a Media impact, much bigger then one site and one man Alex Jones. I love Alex, but one man and one site serving a group of people isn’t enough. We need a multi-million person vision….and the time is right, we could even combine with other groups including the NRA…but to think this group will solve the media problem is simply obserd. Alex getting the info out is AWESOME, but is anyone truly acting on the info in a positive and legal way…..some yes…but most NO…..Most are reading it, ranting and raving on chat lines and forums, but no real concrete action. Alex makes action all the time, but is one person going to change this…NO…we need a nation of people…..just my 2 cents….not saying changing the media isn’t important, but since we know they are in bed with the neocons, its unlikely to change…but get a million people in DC and 30 news agencies covering it, and for sure that attention will raise some americans eyebrows….
July 17th, 2008 at 1:52 am
Marshall #12, I have to agree, talk about mental masturbation. A couple of lines and/or a link is cool but if ya wanna get on a soap box call in a radio talk show. Talk to total strangers on the streets, the stores you frequent and you will find more times than not people are appreciative you took the time to show some concern, then put a dvd (red pill) in there hands. The rest is up to them (period)
DTTNWO, LLTR
That is, Death To The New World Order, Long Live The Republic……………………
July 17th, 2008 at 2:33 am
#18 Peter… we are in agreement. I’m not saying go put CNN out of business and start our own news networks, sorry if I was unclear. What you suggested is exactly what I am suggesting. You have to get out there and contest what is the “popular” view suggested by mainstream media. The best outlet we have for this is not just doing posts online but getting outside and talking to people and making them feel like “Wow, the way I feel doesn’t have to make me feel alone, there are people all over that can stand by me”.
There’s a lot of Americans that don’t know the true facts and that’s because the mainstream media has them in a bubble. Even people that have their doubts but not all the facts are willfully ignorant because it feels like the “safe” way to be without being ostracized from society. But, if people start hearing this word on the street and hear facts that make more sense from real people, they can start to break their subconscious ignorance and start critically thinking for themselves. People live in a bubble and you have to burst a lot of bubbles created by the mainstream media and have a movement before our votes start to count.
It’s easy to make posts online, but it’s harder to share these views with real people. Even though I get through to people and make sense to them, they still feel like they can’t make a difference. But, if they hear it from me, then a friend, then a family member, and other strangers they will start to feel more confident and “safer” to start sharing in the movement themselves.
With that said, I think we are on the same page, are we not?
P.S.
Sorry if I’m inconsistent, kinda tired
July 17th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I’ll tell you what I think. I think we need a list of all police officers, judges, da’s, senators, congressmen, politicians, and anyone else that works for the government. Next I think they should all be given charges for raqueteering and conspiracy, and removed from their positions at which time we can start forming a fair unbiased government with less bullshit laws that is actually for the people.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 am
you are right colorado patriot. absolute power corrupts absolutely.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:56 am
That’s the point Colorado Patriot, there is no way to charge any of these people because charges must be filed through them. So how can it happen?
July 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Thats ok.
after the treason trials, in front of the gallows when they say, I was just following orders.
slip the rope over their necks and look them in the eye and tell them.
THATS OK, SO AM I.
THEN HANG THEM.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Thats ok. SCREW THEM
after the treason trials, in front of the gallows when they say, I was just following orders.
slip the rope over their necks and look them in the eye and tell them.
THATS OK, SO AM I.
THEN HANG THEM.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
WHY THE FK DONT MY POST APEAR.
STOP CENSORING ME ASSHOLES
July 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
FIGURES, NOW IT POSTS THEM
July 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Just start buying lots of food, guns and ammo people….lots and lots of food, guns and ammo
July 17th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Miss Direction: I’ll agree with that!!! Lech Walensa would be proud!!! The Poles did it right in the 80’s by using a HUGE national strike to get rid of the soviets…and the soviets left!!!
July 17th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
They are all on vacation,…….. rural areas,……. isolated,……. little police protection……mmm…….
July 17th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Miss Direction–I agree with what you said. BARTER, TRADE, GET OFF THE GRID.
I’ve heard that we’ll never hear the names of the people who are really at the top but the Banker’s info would be good. They have to eat, they don’t clean their own toilets, they need services…lots of entry points, especially in our service-oriented economy. That’s probably why they hire illegals for so many of these services.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS ISNT GONNA SAVE YOU SCHILLS
July 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I see a lot of comments here that, while I find interesting and well placed, don’t really seem to be anything other than people ‘blowing off steam’. How about we put this blog to good use and start trying to make a difference before this whole thing becomes a full scale civil war. That Congress is not entirely complacent in the Bush regimes war on American is obvious, or should be, by the fact that he (Bush) has taken so many steps to keep Congress even from knowing what hes doing. Now is the time to make use of this fact. Write (email) your Congressman en masse, tell them to impeach and encourage everybody you know to do the same. The time is now to make your voice heard make your opinion known, now while he’s still in office. Think about this, a federal judge has said that Bush has committed crimes, a federal prosecutor wants to prosecute him, the UN has questioned his actions, the Red Cross says Bush and Cheney have both committed war crimes, the leaders of several other nations have stated that Bush threatened and bullied them, as soon as he looses the protection that his position as President of the United States affords him his ass is fucked and he must know that. His only option is to find a way to maintain that power. We have to start the proceedings while he is still in office to hinder what ever plan he has to keep power and to assure that his office will not continue to protect him. Rise Up America, take back what is yours by right …. MAN IS ENDOWED BY HIS CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS ….. His Creator not his government …. THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS …..
July 17th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
The enfocers will be hunted like the perpertrators
July 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
SHAZER EVERQUAR you have it right. I full scale civil war could happen. I hoping for it. There are a number of deserving targets out there. Corporate CEO’s, Senators and House of Rep and the President current and future on about to take office. There are some good senators and reps but not many unfortunately. To name those few. Trancredo, hunter, sesemberger, and others. But the majority need bullets in there head and I will be glad to provide those bullets
July 21st, 2008 at 8:22 am
I see a lot of ppl talking about how we need to do something, but no-one REALLY wants anything done. It seems that it’s easier to bitch than do, so lets all just keep the bitch-fest going and sonner rather than later we will find ourselves at the end of a gun, pushed into a line and tagged like cattle. Maybe they’ll even let you live if you’re a good little slave.
The word we are looking for, and the action NEEDED is REVOLUTION!!!
No impeachment, no jail time, no mercy for these fuckers who have had no mercy for us. No march on Washington, unless it’s with guns in hand. Revolt, rise up, take thes bastards out………take them all then start over.
Last time I checked, we the people pay the goons to imprison us. Maybe we deserve it because we clearly aren’t willing to do anything about it. We vote, knowing our vote doesn’t count. We protest knowing it will never be shown on MSM, or shown in a negative light if at all.
All we do is bitch, and all we are is the governments bitch. So bend over bitches cause here it comes………………….no lube for us.
REVOLT!!
August 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
A civil war would not be a pretty sight, through mass activism we need to wrestle the controls of the nation away from the NWO. I believe they would try to take the system down with them, but we really can create a good government with many of the nation’s congressmen and Judges. Executive power must be curtailed immediately. The Army & Police must be informed so martial law cannot be fully implemented. Canada must be awakened simultaneously with the USA. Legislation must be passed that strictly prohibits the Mexican national army from supporting the NWO military in the USA. We must immediately take economic control from the Federal Reserve and follow a sensible monetary policy. We must stop an attack on Iran! We need support from the British people, pressuring their government to support a restructuring of government!
We need people on street corners, in market places, in shopping malls. People talking about the NWO, talking about freedom. The internet buzzing, chatrooms, IRC, message boards. Send news items to local papers. Write to your congress man. Stage meetings, go into bars and hand our DVDS, leaflets, music, pictures with captions, slogans on t-shirts. We need a full media blitz on all the channels available to us – BROADCAST YOUR SIGNAL!
Be creative, be exciting, be truthful, be loving. It’s time to test the democratic process, it’s time to be good citizens, it’s time to be good people. Open your eyes, seize your power and your individuality – become the change that you want to see.