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Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors
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Jon Ungoed-Thomas
London Times
December 21, 2008
The government has been accused of trampling on individual liberties by proposing wide-ranging new powers for bailiffs to break into homes and to use “reasonable force” against householders who try to protect their valuables.
Under the regulations, bailiffs for private firms would for the first time be given permission to restrain or pin down householders. They would also be able to force their way into homes to seize property to pay off debts, such as unpaid credit card bills and loans.
The government, which wants to crack down on people who evade debts, says the new powers would be overseen by a robust industry watchdog. However, the laws are being criticised as the latest erosion of the rights of the householder in his own home.
“These laws strip away tried and tested protections that make a person’s home his castle, and which have stood for centuries,” said Paul Nicolson, chairman of the Zacchaeus 2000 Trust, a London-based welfare charity. “They could clearly lead to violent confrontations and undermine fundamental liberties.”
Bailiffs have for hundreds of years been denied powers to break into homes for civil debt or to use force against debtors, except in self-defence. In a famous declaration, William Pitt the Elder, the 18th-century prime minister, said: “The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the crown.” Ministers have now proposed bailiffs be given powers to physically remove debtors who try to defend their property, for example by draping themselves over a car or blocking the door of their home. Lord Bach, a junior justice minister, has assured the House of Lords that any new powers will be implemented only after a consultation and will not be used to search debtors’ pockets or to remove jewellery.
It emerged last week that Her Majesty’s Courts Service has already handed out guidance to privately employed bailiffs, pointing out that under legislation passed in 2004 they can already break down doors as a last resort to collect court fines.
Some restraint should be exercised, according to the “search and entry powers” guidelines. “If a person locks himself in their home, it might be reasonable to break open the door, but probably not to smash a hole in the wall,” it advises.
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December 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pm
They can use “Reasonable Force”? Can I use “Reasonable Force” to keep them out?
December 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I wonder how many baby steps it took to get to the point where paid thugs can break into your house legally and restrain you by force.I vaugely remember something about a man being the king of his castle,I guess maybe the king needs to raise an army for himself….
December 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Well, this is the click of shotgun. How many rounds you want and which ga. I let you decided your faith.
December 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Property has always been more important than human life.
http://www.advisingvideo.com/i.....;Itemid=18
December 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Property has always been more important than human life. Eventually someone will die in one of the encounters, which will result in the government broadining these home entry powers ‘to protect’ the repo men
http://www.advisingvideo.com/i.....;Itemid=18
December 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
don’t pay a fucking thing to the vulchers – the money only goes to pay for nuclear weapons, war and more vulchers…
December 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Lets see….advertise that strongarm-smucks can break into your house. Streetscum see this as yet ANOTHER government creation as a way to give them the chance to kick-in doors & rob homes in broad daylight…”Don’t mind me, I’m just the Baliff here to repo your neighbors belongings”. Property will be defended, and yet MORE “rules” will be handed-down because violence will escalate…..seems perfectly intelligent to me…..
December 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Read this article and my jaw dropped in utter shock. They would bring this to the USA in a heartbeat except that there are a LOT of armed Americans. And in the rural parts of America, in which I live in, I can promise you that the good old boys would be burying any baliff or any other armed officer who tried such a thing. This is insane and then some!!! That’s why our “government” is so desparate to abolish the 2nd Ammendment. There is a big battle heating up over that one and over the militarization of the CHP that is happening out in California.
People better get ready to stand their ground and fight as if their lives depend on it….because it does.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Debt police? Come and get some. These chesters bit off more than they can chew. Wait till our military turns against their satanic politician bosses.
December 21st, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Common Sense, it sounds like you are against Article 1 Section 10 of the US constitution, and therefore a traitor to the country. You should hang with the rest of them.
December 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Break into my home and you had better pack a lunch first!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 21st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I would say im glad i live in America,but the truth is…it wont be long before this law is here.The NeoCons will not stop until they have either won,or have been beatin.So you decide how it is gonna play out,yes you!Time for people to stand together.Some countrymen have already started doing this.
December 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Ray, sounds like you didn’t even read the link that Common Sense provided and are therefore a presumptuous dickhead that needs to think before he talks. Common Sense is dead on, and unfortunately that’s where I see this going. The new global reserve currency will LIKELY be given to the discretion of the IMF and World Bank, and it will have an official gold backing. So the people win, right? Wrong.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm
if a ‘bailiff’ comes into my home he’ll leave in a body bag.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:58 pm
The word “reasonable” is the most used word I’ve heard over and over again in the pursuit of big, bad government policy. I think it should henceforth be referred to as “the R word” as it seems to be a harbinger of tyrrany.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 am
If I disagree with someone in here then I’m probably a troll.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 am
Chryogenetics Says:
December 21st, 2008 at 11:58 pm
The word “reasonable” is the most used word I’ve heard over and over again in the pursuit of big, bad government policy. I think it should henceforth be referred to as “the R word” as it seems to be a harbinger of tyrrany.
You got that right Man!
Hitler, Stalin , Mao and every other would be dictatorship got their power by being reasonable!
This Bush administartion has gone way passed what King George did to American colonialists, back in the day. And they Killed british troops for the oppressive laws and taxation being pushed down their throats.
America needs to get a clue. NOW!
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 am
Common Sense- BULL SHIT ! Modern day economics? IS SHIT! Modern day economics is designed to create haves only with many,many have nots by regulationing a fiat system with a computer & printing press.
SILVER COIN and other COIN or paper backed by Gold & Silver or other metals, is thee ONLY US constitutional Money.
But YOu fuck’in PEA Brain modern communist/fascist economic masters of deceit think the guy sitt’in at the kitchen table can’t see through the veil.
Got news for ya sweet peeeeeeeeeeea!
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 am
The hits just keep on comin.
This should clear up any misunderstanding, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpp9zwD-VPQ
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 am
A mans home is his caslte. To #21, I don’t even want paper backed by gold. I want to use nothing but coin, then there is no manipulation possible.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 am
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!! IF that ever comes here, good luck motherfuckers. I dont care what the nancy assed nay sayers say- NEVER under estimate the resourcefulness and persistance of one of us peckerwoods who live in the hills with too many guns and who will defend our homes and “shit”. If this shit comes here then ya’ll bailiffs can go to hell- I wont miss and I’ll get ya there in a hurry.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 am
Any cunt breaks my door down
and i hope he kissed his wife and kids goodbye that morning
because he is getting 7 rounds of 12 guage oo buck in his face!
simple and plain.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 am
Pore old limies. Gave up their guns so they can be “safe”. Maybe cross bows or swords, or just a big club. If some Bailiff busts throuh the door just kill him. Most of the limies I’ve ever known were pretty damn tough folks. I would speculate that these bailiffs are in for a rough ride. To hell with them! They get just what they diserve.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:11 am
I guess it’s loan shark for dinner tonite honey. Wealth is create not but from honest work for few with it all. So why is getting behind in debt a bad thing. Life sucks. Hope the aliens make all u elitist pay for your sin soon. Burn in hell and earth, worthless dog crap!
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 am
All you rowdy red necked, gun totin, muther fuckers had me at “00-Buck”! This is truely a love story… let’s rock this bitch! Fire it up! Bring on the bailiffs… pull!
Weapon-X
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 am
yes this gun is loaded, yes i will pull the trigger , oops just did. bye bye gorrilla pig.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 am
The Brits have been disarmed for the good of their parasitic overlords.
But they can still use axes, knives and machetes on the NKVD thugs, like Alexander Solshenytzyn suggested. If most people fight back, they can’t do much.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:02 am
double standards for the rich ceo´s and gov´t,armed rebelion is the answer no more mister nice guy……but many are againest figthing back they migth declare martial law…its going to happen sooner or latter…….
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 am
give them a greek kiss——————moltov cocktail……………………………
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 am
STOP BEING SO POLITE AND PROPER BRITS. START GETTING UGLY WITH THEM. YOU BRITS HAVE LET THEM GO TOO FAR.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
why are people allowing this. what will it take? the brits must like lving in a work release state.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
These are the same tactics used by the mafia to collect debts isn’t it? Your late on a payment and the next thing ya know you have two pasta headed vinnies coming throigh your door to break your arm.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
This is happening in the US? I would punch them in the face!
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Guess what? This is already happening, and had been going on for years right here in the USA. If you buy something that is a secured debt on credit, and, if you fail to make your payments, they can come and get that property. Cars are always a secured debt, but furniture and appliances from local stores can also be secured debt and in some cases if you fail to make the payments the sheriff can show up and take the stuff away.
Right now all credit cards are “unsecured debt” meaning that if you fail to pay, the credit card companies are not going to want what you bought back again, although I am sure they could pass a law to change that too.
If the credit companies want a gov bail out because no one is paying up on their cards….you can bet that they are going to get a law passed that would make unsecured credit card debt into secured debt, and that’s when things are going to get ugly.
All those credit card offers in the mail suddenly make perfect sense…..scary!
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 am
To all you guys on here with the loaded guns…. I was brought up with a gun sitting in the kitchen corner, so I am not anti gun, however, I am anti murder and maim.
When you guys get your guns loaded to go, do you ever stop and think about what you might be doing? Do you really want to kill someone? Sure, many times people have a right to be angry, but is violence really the way?
How would you really feel if you shot someone? Think about ending a life and all that entails. What about the family? The mother and wife? What about the children who would no longer have a father?
I believe in defending yourself, but you have to keep a cool head. Is material stuff really worth killing someone? So what if the sheriff came and wanted to take some junk away that you bought on credit. Hey, then you would no longer owe on it.
There is more than one way to approach and solve a problem, think first, then think again before you act.
Korzak Reply:
March 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
“Is material stuff really worth killing someone?”
If said material keeps me alive like a house and some seeds and weapons to defend myself then yeah it justify a bloodbath imo. I’m not letting myself die because some asshole didn’t read the constitution before coming to my door.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Too bad you all lost your gun rights, most of these “bailiffs” would resign in fear after the first 100 or so got shot in the kneecap! The US does have some advantages, I suppose.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
opps guess they didnt like my post
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
A privately employed baliff. Hell no. Sucks for all those other countries, thank god we have gun rights over here.
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
if this happens in the USA i expect civile war to brake out
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
HAHA I dare em to go in someones house especially in Tx. They may come in but they won’t be going out.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
BREAKSTUFF:
Yea, we have gun rights for now. Even though our current gun rights are laughable compared to what they were.
You have every right to shoot any bailiff (well, now we can call em loan sharks) that forcibly enters your home. The 4th amendment doesn’t say “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated – unless your a bailiff.”
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Post #35, Carla H;
I agree with you in both of your posts. But, why do you assume that only men will get shot?
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
It’s time to kick ass and chew bubble gum… and I’m all out of gum
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Imma go out and kiss the American soil in front of my home.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I would treat them just like any other robber, especially if I didn’t ow them anything. they would be shot. I’m not giving up my gun for food!!!!!
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
test
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Now that the fed is buying up and owns the bad debt (with our own taxpayer money) wonder if all the new fema camps in the US will become debtor prisons……that is of course after they have stripped us of everything else that we own. How can we let this happen. Reminds me of “The British are coming, the British are coming”….lol this so sucks.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
They create the situation where debts cannot be paid…and then…use the quise of law
to RAPE !
Like unemployment jobs…send ALL WOMEN to BROTHELS who can”t find work.
These are all PLOYS for CONTROL and should be met with ARMED FORCE. The legal lawyers
should be hung with the police , by a VIGILENTE FORCE…may the lawyers and olice be
hung until dead…may GOD mercy on none of them.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
OK alex needs to start posting things about the UK AS a UK story, don’t panic everyone America would NEVER do this. Our government loves our freedom
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
damn i really am sorry that the language i used kept my post from going up, so alex and fellow soldiers… I bought new steel toed boots yesterday, to go with my depression cycle, (all black schwinn pedal chopper bike with an add 70cc motor) defaulted on everything after going from 1000wk to 400 or less… really think people just need to go down the biggest street in your hood and count the number of empty or almost empty lots, building, strip/mini malls, restaurants, i think you would be shocked, just go do it… see the world for what it is, less hours, less per hour, less period, but if you don’t produce… hommie with 4 kids will…
it is over, be ready for the avg joe to go postal, its happening slowly, only cause of hope, we think deep inside itll work out… i tell my self everyday its fine… ITS OVER… i dont have anything for them to take but what they find would send me down river so… i dont think people understand how easy it is for them to walk in anyway… literally had to beg the cops on a couple occassions, and i quote “please officers, what you are looking for is not here! if i let you in to search, anything you do find not realated you really didn’t see RIGHT?’ and it went in my favor but the way things are going i am worried it will end very violently as i wont go down for stupid shit or cause some panzy bankster wants his 4 million bonus so go take my 4000 in material shit…. great idea thanks everyone, see you when the smoke settles
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I posted twice and both times it was censored. I even posted a test post, and it went thru so I know its not the “server”. Tired of the hypocrisy here. My censored post didn’t contain foul language, nor did it break any rules of “decency”. Censorship is alive and well here too.
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
great now these people will have nothing to trade in at the bread line..
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
This gives these law enforcement agents the training they need to confiscate Americans properties as they will have to do this when they take everything from Christians and resisters who won’t take the Mark of the Beast!! And if you shoot them; then they will send in the black opts SWAT teams to take you and your family out!! Okay its almost time to go home now!! Where we will be returning with our Lord Jesus and His Mighty Angels to defeat these monsters!! And then we will have a beautified and renovated Earth while they will forever be cooking their chestnuts and birdies off !!
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
they will take these peoples items and then sell them to pay what the person owes. maybe all the people over there should make a pact not to purchase any of the items confiscated then the companies can just sit on warehouses full of crap
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
It will happen here soon, very soon.
Boy, Britain has turned into the country of 1984.
For how long will they tolerate those abuses?
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I’m thinking theres gonna be alot of dead bailiffs.
#55—-You never know man. The us & the uk seem to follow each other. Look at the camera’s. The uk has the most in the world and we’re doing it too. Look at all the draconian laws that each other copy. I saw it could happen over time.
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
If this were happening in the USA there would be alot of dead bailiffs. I am appaled that they would allow this in the UK or any where. Those folks did not ask for work hours to be cut, and are NOT making the money they were making. I am sure they would love to pay if they could.
Just wait it’s only a matter of time here in the US that we wont be able to pay our bills, wonder if the bankers will send someone after us too?
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Personal property, like other inalienable rights, are not actually ours unless they cannot be easily taken from us. Otherwise, they’re just temporary privileges. Expect the US to shortly follow the UK’s lead in this matter.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I would love to see who they pay for that, cause the on the job injuries are going to be severe…even deadly. They are really proding people to fight back.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
You can only do that in a country where the population is not armed.
Try this crap in Texas, and you’ll run out of body bags for the debt collectors!
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Guys I live in the UK. Nothing will happen. There will be no dead bailifs and there will be hardly any confrontation worth reporting. This will only effect the lowbrows and overstretched pencil kneckers who will bend over and take it whatever happens.
The point here isn’t to cause a confrontation, the point here is to set a president. Get people used to seeing this type of thing happen. The real violence and confrontation won’t come until society has become completely used to this type of thing happening. By which time people will care even less and may even agree with heavy handed treatment of these individuals.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:50 pm
hey give em SS uniforms why dont ya
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
iam sure back when the u.k. hade arms the talk like we are doing on this site all big and bad/ but the truth is our counstatution and bill of rights are beening strip out from us as we speak. our 2 ammendment will be gone in a few years if not sooner.then will be like the u.k. unarmed too. its time to organize with friends and family. for get you congressman he is bought and paid for by the bernakys palsons banksters. alex jones is giving us the news . eather disgard it or run with it . god be with you patriots in the U.K. and here in theU.S.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Human beings just will not learn from past mistakes. They won’t. They will not even make an effort. America does need a Second Revolutionary War.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
best new job ops. gun dealer in U.K.
u brits bin taken it in the ass for centuries
sounds like u guys need some big greek ballz
to the greeks:”i luv ur ballz” from the movie team america world police
to the rest of the world: grow some ballz
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Unfortunately, the quote from the article is from ENGLISH law, and not US law.
Let it be a lesson; when you borrow against your property; you take a huge risk. When you have people that have never held 10k in an account suddenly taking on 150k debts with no collateral except their payments; you run a huge risk.
And, just as those people took big risks to get those homes; the banks should take the same risks to recover them. The police should be solely able to remove you. If banks are concerned about funds lost; they shouldn’t be able to receive tax payer money; and they shouldn’t be to do more than prosecute for debts.
This is why government must be kept out of public money: http://mediacondom.com/?p=450
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Everything that you see that is bad in England will come to America within 10 to 20 years.
Dont let them take your guns at all cost because if you do then get the KY ready because you will be screwed.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 am
Any bastard or bitch breaking down my door best be prepared to be treated as an intruder. What a job. Wouldn’t it be easier for these fackers to send a drone?
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 am
This sounds like a great way to get a whole bunch of “bailiffs” killed, if they ever decide to do that here.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:36 am
#71 Absolutely right dude.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:20 am
This law is a good thing.
I have no symphay for deadbeats who don’t pay their bills then try to run from creditors.
They deserve what they get.
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 am
Let them do that to me! A drowning pool song comes to mind!
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 am
Sick Man#77, I’ll have no sympathy for you!, if you kick-in my door…You”ll get what you deserve!
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 am
We must at LIGHTNING SPEED Send this to every one you can(BEFORE IT’S TO LATE)!
http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm
Sit your famly down over Christmas and have a heart to heart talk with them about what TRULY is going on. Every MAN & WOMAN that works for Gov,Military & Law Inforcment will be with some one that is awake to the facts. IT’S TIME TO STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH THE SHEEP.
Allso show them End Game,Loose Change Final Cut(The best),Terror Storm,Fabled Enemies,911 Chronicles, ALL FOR (((FREE))) I had to state that you can watch it all for free so the TROLL’S on here would not say I am selling Videos.
“TELL THEM OUR VERY LIVE’S DEPEND ON THEIR ACTIONS”
MERRY CHRISTMAS to ONE AND ALL
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 am
This is why gun control is bad. When you have a gun(s) do you think some dumb SOB is going to try and break down your door to try and restrain you if he thinks you might have a gun(s)? I will give both barrles of my 12 gauge to any dumb SOB that tries this I don’t care WHO they are. You break into MY house your a dead SOB and you’ll get burrid in the back 40 10 feet under where they will never find your sorry @$$!
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Sorry! wrong house. Yeh. right.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Hey people, just because this is in London, presently, don’t for one minute think it’s not coming to the United States. This had best be nipped in the bud early, by people fighting and killing these creeps when they come busting down you door. If it isn’t stopped early on, it won’t be stopped at all!! This is a warning, just as it was in the Gulag Archipalago (SP). If Alexander got, we’d better get it too.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Im with #1
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Bailiffs should be shakled and put in slave chains. They can be flown to
a foreign country and do slave labor.
The slave trade is alive !
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
This is why its good that people dont have guns over there because the queen cant even get the money thats rightfully hers….SHe has no choice but to hire people to break in…Its only a matter of time before were gonna be as civilized as them and were gonna have something like this in America too…YES!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Keep it mind most of the police state shit starts in the UK and ends up in America.
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
My brother has been threatened with bailiffs.He is in court next wednesday to answer why he won`t pay the CSA [child support Agency]the money they demand wrongly off him.He knows they couldn`t enter his property and to keep all doors and windows locked.If this law gets passed,he might as well make them a coffee and welcome them in……..they would bring police with them if they expect trouble,no point in losing all your goods and going to jail for assault as well eh?
Rumour has it that the new regulations are due to come in around March 2009.Watch for violence when they break into a house where the occupant is asleep and hasn`t a clue whats going on.Guess who will be in court next day for assault.
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:19 pm
don’t bury them, thats illegal,,,, but shooting them when they break the door down,,,,, that ok,,,
i can not imagine being so stupid as to accept a job in which one of the duties is to break down doors of people you don’t even know..talk about a death wish.
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
not if their military, if u do ull be a terrorist…come on man we’re all in this together, we can win with love in our hearts….because pure love in my heart…..wont be defeated…
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 pm
#21
Interesting thesis proposed in this video.
I understand the illusion……………just can’t seem to find my way out of it though…………………………keep getting sucked back in……………………………………it’s only a matter of time now…………..before we all choose………..the truth over illusion.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Plenty of DEER SLUGS on this side of the frame.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
All the NWO will be defeated. Their desire is to have a long time. People will suffer. But the road will be short for these guys.
December 24th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Oh my!! I forgot that this is happening in England!! And it is happening because – THEY DON’T HAVE GUNS THERE!! THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THEIR GUNS!!
December 24th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I can see where it’s not so good to break into a persons home that they own outright because they are past due on their DirecTV bill, but I have less sympathy for a person who got a 0% down loan on both a home and car he can’t afford, has several credit cards maxed out, and isn’t paying child support. Sure, creditors are at least 1/2 at fault, but the individual has some obligation to restrain himself and live within his budget.
December 24th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Property is more important then humanity. With all the gun owners in the US, won’t be long at all before some repo man is killed while legally breaking into someones home and legally assaulting them.
http://www.advisingvideo.com/i.....cy-placebo
December 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
They are already doing this in Germany! And the government there can also forcibly enter your home to see how many TV’s and radio’s you own because they charge a monthly tax for having the ability to listen to broadcasts over the airways. Rediculous, right? It will be here before we know it!
December 24th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
thus what our God told us that the borrower is subservient to the lender. you are not to live so deep in debt, wow, ……………..now, instead of learning this fact and sacrificing the coveted “competing with the jones” way of life, you are now reaping the consequences of your actions. i have very mixed feelings on this, its hard to feel sorry for the people who’s God given rights are being violated, when you know the story most of the time. had to have the new car and the 4000 sf house and credit cards and all the while have not a dime in savings. they are getting what they deserve NOT FOR BEING IN DEBT but for not listening to what our God had to say. it was only a warning, not a command. HE gave us free will to choose, unlike the almighty government we think is so honest and would never do that. WAKE UP PEOPLE, OR SUFFER WHAT COMES OF YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH.
December 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Why use force on them? They don’t have money.
December 24th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
All I Can say is we are next. America is gone, Freedom is Gone, Liberty Died on 911 and thus DEMOCRACY can only be preserved at the barrel of a gun. I feel bad for my friends on the ISLE and hope they can see the light before we have a second HITLER. America, DONT BE FOOLS, take a stand and do whats right.
December 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
We may not have guns, but I’m getting myself a samurai sword, nunchucka’s and other gear to welcome the bailiffs.
December 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am
I think you are always better off cooperating with the police. If you point a gun at them, they are going to shoot to kill. I am sorry it is that way, but that is the society we live in. Think about it, if it was YOUR job to go in a home and take stuff away, what would YOU do if someone was waving a gun around.
You can change things in a different way, in an intelligent way. If you shoot at them all you will do is end up in prison, probably for the rest of your life, now is that worth it? Heck, welcome the baliff in, tell him THANKs for helping get rid of some of this clutter, let him have the stuff, forget it and get on with your life, its a lot better than being in prison for the rest of your days.
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
I’m not sure that alot of the comments here are justified..
Killing someone who is doing their job, for all you know, could be in the same situation does not sound right to me.
What does sound right though is people accepting responsibility for their actions. For example, if you are about to sign a contract for a credit card or purchasing product/s you should know every detail in that contract before you sign. You should also make sure you will be able to fulfill your obligations to that contract until it has ended.
I am sure you would be able to reach an agreement over the phone before it would result in repo?
I would like to be proven wrong, but at the same time this is the only fair argument I can see at the moment.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Hi, Im new to this site and it sounds like there are some interesting people on here, on the subject of bailiffs there are a few things to clear up, first no bailiff can force entry to your home unless they are collecting for inland tax or revenue AND they have obtained a warrant to force entry which if they do in most cases they will be accompanied by the bobbie`s ( cops if your an american)
second they CAN gain entry by peacable means, this means through an UNLOCKED door or window, front or rear to the property, this uncludes out houses and garden sheds, although anything in the garden NOT secured is fair game, also they can climb over fences and over gates but they must not damage said fences or gates.
Third, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LET THEM ENTER, even if you open the door to them, by law they are not allowed to push passed or to put a foot in the door to prevent you from closing it, this is classed as forced entry, however they can gain entry to your property through tricking you, i.e. saying they need to use the toilet, phone or saying they wish to discuss matters inside, this is classed as peacable entry.
This is the law as it stands in the uk, so i would say to all those who are saying they would shoot, hurt injure any bailiff coming to their house, use the law use your brain, KEEP ALL DOORS / WINDOWS LOCKED, DO NOT LET ANYONE INTO YOUR HOUSE UNLESS YOU KNOW THEM, KEEP SHEDS AND GARAGES LOCKED, oh and if you still feel you need some more basic protection, a bassball bat by the front and rear door.
Just thought i would clarify what they can and cant do as it stands now…
Peace…..