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  • Biden, Israel and Iran

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    Gary Leupp
    Counterpunch
    July 7, 2009

    Vice President Joe Biden, apparently speaking on behalf of the Obama administration, has just given Israel the green light to bomb Iran.

    “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” he told ABC’s “This Week” in an interview broadcast Sunday. “Whether we agree or not, they’re entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation that’s going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed. If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice,” he declared.

    The statement is presented in logically abstract terms. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do what’s in its interest regardless of what “we” think, surely. How very reasonable—magnanimous, even, coming from the mouth of the vice-president of the superpower that’s in the last eight years brutally imposed its will on two sizable Southwest Asian countries.

    But to test Biden’s universalist logic imagine yourself in 1939, substitute Germany for Israel and Poland for Iran and ask whether “any sovereign nation is” really “entitled to do that.”

    Of course Israel doesn’t have any “sovereign right” to attack Iran! And Biden’s implied distaste for the attack (“That is not our choice”), which may presage a calculated distancing from an action in the future, doesn’t undo the fact that he explicitly validates such action here.

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    They’re entitled to do it, says Joe. Just as presumably they’re entitled to remain outside the nuclear nonproliferation treaty regime, and produce and stockpile the only nuclear weapons in the Middle East, while claiming that the Iranian nuclear program (begun under U.S. encouragement under the Shah) can only have military intentions and can only be designed to produced a “nuclear Holocaust” to destroy the Jews.

    Just as presumably they’re entitled to deploy vast resources  to pressure the U.S. government to bomb Iran for them. (But no worry about the impact on U.S. foreign policy. “There is no pressure,” says Joe, “from any nation that’s going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed.” What he really means is: There’s actually a whole shitload of pressure from Israel on us to bomb Iran. But we might not do that. Because Obama thinks that the Israeli-demanded attack on Iran, like the assault on Iraq, might be a “strategic blunder.”)

    One could argue, of course, that in positing Netanyahu’s “sovereign right” to bomb Iran, a nation which has not attacked another in modern times, Biden is just shooting off his famous mouth again. But there are at least two reasons his comments should be taken very seriously.

    First of all, there is obviously much conflict within the U.S. power structure over the wisdom of a U.S. attack on Iran. The Israel Lobby demanding one may have suffered a defeat at the hands of the Pentagon, which sees such an attack as complicating the imbroglios it faces in Iraq and Afghanistan (and down the road in Pakistan?), and the intelligence community which knows that Iran does not possess a nuclear weapons program threatening the world.

    Secondly, the state of Israel continues to depict the Islamic Republic of Iran as an “existential” threat to itself, while threatening to attack it with missiles if the U.S. does not do so. The Bush administration always endorsed Israel’s vilification campaign and conceded the possibility that it might act “on its own” (as though it could really do so without a green light from Washington). Dick Cheney told Don Imus on MSNBC in January 2005 that “Given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel [sic (disinformation)], the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards.” He implied that if the U.S. didn’t take action, the Israelis would be justified in doing so.

    This remains the U.S. position under the Obama administration. And having decided for geopolitical reasons to adopt a tougher line on Israel’s illegal settlements on the West Bank, Washington is perhaps particularly disinclined to deter Israel should it opt to create the mess of which Cheney spoke. “That was not our choice,” it will say.

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    62 Responses to “Biden, Israel and Iran”

    1. JJ Says:

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      Do a barrell roll! Reply:

      Israel, a sovereign nation?

      Since when did a State become a sovereign nation?

      I guess Biden’s reading the teleprompter too.

      JAFO Reply:

      Right! If they are a sovereign nation, than they no longer need to suckle from the American tax-payer’s tit, correct?

      ISRAEL IS SATANIC Reply:

      Israel is a fascist satanic police state don’t you know?

      what other country forces its female population to a mandatory military service?
      …and they claim to be the “children of God”…

      now I’m not saying there aren’t plenty of God-fearing orthodox Jews… but overall the place is straight satanic … just like my own country, the United Slaves of America

      come to the TRUE RELIGION – THE PURE TRUTH, MONOTHEISM FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING:

      ISLAM

      …and read the Quran before you judge, its the most read book ever, and its not changed by humans like the Bible scripture, the Qur’an is entact and Divine, Praise God

      Beast Reply:

      Israel is a wicked nation, and they shall receive their punishment

      THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD, thank God for leading me from the blasphemy and paganism of THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH to true monotheism, Islam

      Richard Sweats Reply:

      What exactly are you smoking ISRAEL IS SATANIC?

      Israel is surrounded by pagan worms that believe that 3rd century thought and unkept beards should be the way of the world. No wonder they have strong independent women that are in their armed services. You SHOULD be afraid. One of their women could probably kick your ass up and down the block and then give you the most amazing sex you have ever had!

      Islam, the Qur’an?

      Really?

      You better pray the AWESOME Obama keeps his dog on their leash.

      You’ll see Obama will bring the whole world into a perfect one world government where we all will have one currency, one Leader (religious and political) and there will be NO MORE WARS!

      But first we need to remove the vermin that feel the need to become terrorists and try to harm the rest of us!

      shaunbon Reply:

      Israeli extremism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyrvqDpCDZY

    2. will winstead Says:

      1st

      Solar Absolution Reply:

      Not quite …douche bag.

      IKE WAS RIGHT Reply:

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....encyclical

    3. JJ Says:

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      Billy Reply:

      We have such a zone in Holland. It’s in the middle of a natural reserve. Hey all these nukes are still here? SO many??

    4. JJ Says:

      BIDEN = A CRIMINAL.

      JAFO Reply:

      You’re giving Biden too much credit. He’s just a poor dumb schmuck from Scranton, PA (I know lots of those) who has sold out to get a place at the Elite’s table. He’s also a very convenient mouthpiece for the “Reverend O” everytime he needs to say something and is unsure of how the people will react. Biden is not even aware of the nature or scope of the maelstrom of which he has willingly become a participant. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

      Sam Reply:

      Biden is an addmited zionist watch this short 1minute confession

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8FJFZy_js8

      ISRAEL IS SATANIC Reply:

      yea, too bad the satanic msm will never play that clip on fox n friends

      may Allah swt strike down and kill the enemies of Islam, may the true believers be victorious over the army of darkness, may the true believers be given the strength to fight and die for God, may we bring about a new Golden Age of Justice and Equality on Earth, where all humans are equal before God, no one superior, except by righteousness, and our only Sovereign is God

      Amen

      Benhur Reply:

      When Jesus the Messiah returns upon the clouds he will cast you and your false moon-god “allah” into the fire for eternal destruction

      ZeE Reply:

      Get a life you sad being that call your self human. To kill any being is a crime you doshbag.

      Benhur Reply:

      I’m warning you turn to the Messiah, Lord of Heavan and Earth

      Abraham Reply:

      It’s amusing that you say Allah is a ‘moon god’ which couldn’t be further from the truth, yet you worship Jesus (against his will) who’s personality Saul used to disguise a pagan sun god and is presented through Pauline Christianity. Seek knowledge. Please don’t reply in ignorance, do some research before you reply (if you intend to).

    5. faceless renegade Says:

      good job will! I wish I could have been first……Idiot!

    6. thinkingman Says:

      Since it is clear that by our intell Iran has no capability of nuclear weapons. Then if Israel chooses to attack our government should continue to stick to other affairs, and not assist or intervene. We already had 2 blunders with Sadaam and Osama we don’t need a third blunder.

    7. Big Bill Says:

      Israel = United States (19th century)

      Palestinians = Native Americans (19th century)

      and the wheels keep spinning..

      onlooker Reply:

      agree. but how could the “I’m better you’re a cockroach mentality” go on forever if SUPERIORITY means life and happiness for ALL?

      onlooker Reply:

      It doesn’t matter how many cockroaches one annihilates there will always remain some who are even smarter the previous generation of cockroaches.

    8. Billy Says:

      It used to be that no souvereign state has the right to invade or attack another country. It says so in the UN Manifest, art. 39. Only the UN was previously able to decide whether an attack was justified.

      But since the US have invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan without any meddling of the UN, who are they to stop anyone else?

      Still it’s up to the UN now to act and make Israel stop in it’s footsteps. But the UN are awfully quiet in all of this. Aren’t they? There are no other reasons to attack Iran than the fact that Israel & their fanclub do not like Iran & the Iranians + there is a lot of oil to be pumped up there.

      RC Reply:

      The UN was created by the NWO. One of the first orders of business of the newly created UN was to create and to “legitimize” a modern state of “Israel” out of Palestine.
      The UN isn’t going to fix anything.

    9. woo hoo Says:

      How can we get to warn Iranian people of whats going to happen.. ??

      Billy Reply:

      I believe they know… :)

      Sam Reply:

      Yes indeed :)
      They are prepared.

    10. Big Bill Says:

      Israel = United States (19 century)

      Palestinians = Native Americans (19 century)

      and the wheels keep on turning.

    11. al Says:

      How many of you are STILL so ignorant, cowardly, and lazy that you just sit on your butts and TALK about “TCB” with the NWO?!

    12. carlos Says:

      Biden is a ZIONIST, plain and simple.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE

      “We control America.” – Ariel Sharon

      Jim Reply:

      I just found this. Israel is a terrorist state. http://www.youtube.com/view_pl.....9CBE09E1D9

    13. Scott Carriere Says:

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    15. Neocon Narc Says:

      Nail on the head. Good Article!!!

    16. Real Patriot Says:

      I’m gonna come back here in a couple of months when this never materializes, and piss all over you idiots for this pure BS speculation. Nothing is going to happen! In fact, nothing that is ever written about on this website EVER happens. You are all full of shit, AJ included.
      I’m starting to think that infowars and AJ are disinformation, because all that is ever written about here are these CRAZY ASS, far fetched ideas that never come to be. This is just another one that won’t ever happen.
      The one that makes me laugh my ass off is the conspiracy theories about massive depopulation. Hey geniuses, if the nwo, or whatever you call it, wanted to have a less populated world, and they’ve been thinking about population control for a couple hundred years, why not stop it then? Or just never let it get this populated in the first place? Instead they choose NOW, with communications abilities at an all time high, and when they would have most difficulty pulling something like this off, to execute this plan? I call BS.
      Shit! Your logic is like that of a first grader, and I just think it’s hilarious.

      Big Bill Reply:

      I’m not standing up for A.J, I’m not even a huge fan of him. Especially after that y2k scare. But no one from info wars wrote this article.

      Article is actually from CounterPunch by Gary Leupp, alot of what you find here is just outsourced from other news sources. When its written it will have By Joesph Watson Infowars (for example).

      Just pointing it out for next time…

      Realtalk Reply:

      I’m still waiting for quite a few of AJ’s predictions to come to pass as well. So i kind of understand where your coming from. I’ll be patient and give him a little more time with these situations being as complex as they are.

    17. Scott Carriere Says:

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    18. ste Says:

      Yeah I listen to the Alex Jones Show. Have for the last 3 years. Thank you for the wake up call!!

    19. Princess Z.E.L.D.A Says:

      Iran only purpose should be to give the west cheap oil and making carpets. We need to support and back Israel as they carry out military strikes against IRAN.

      ZeE Reply:

      Just give up, you are a troll.

    20. Ken Says:

      Why was the Gaza masacre not mentioned?
      Why does Alex have such an aversion to the Zionist issue?

      Benji Reply:

      Disclaimer:
      Not to sound as if I’m one of those skin-head racists that post comments on here about jewish people.

      You would Think Alex Jones WOULD confront the tragedies that has happen on the gaza strip, and how we funnel so much of our tax dollars for the Israel State “Defense”?

    21. Bel Says:

      What people have to realise here is that Biden was letting off a “trial balloon” on bombing Iran. There has been so much coverage over the last 3 weeks that they want to test public opinion.

      The administration simply want to see how much pressure they will get – Obama would never have said what Biden said. Obama’s remarks would have been more nuanced, more Orwellian in nature. Obama doesn’t like public pressure – he always caves in.

      Biden was wheeled out to say this so that people could look at it as a “gaffe” or him being indisciplined. But the opposite is true. This is done to make Obama look good and to obscure the fact that they have outsourced the military option to Israel for them to strike when the timing is right.

      This use of the word “sovereign” makes me sick – so Israel is sovereign but Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are not? All of them take their orders from Washington DC.

      Stephanopulous is an insider – Biden is an insider. No real hard questions.

      Totally disgusting.

    22. NatureBoy Says:

      just because you hate jews does NOT make you a ”skinhead” stop sterotyping you ignorant retard ”benji”

      i hope iran nukes israel and kills all of the evil satanic reptilian zionist jews. it will make the world such a better place

      usa has sold out to the zionist jews way back when-which is why it is the most evil corrupt nation in the world and it is “the great satan“ the jews run the banks and media outlets (fake news-disinfo, madison avenue brainwashing, hollywood, atheism, nwo propaganda,etc.)

      http://www.jewskilledjesus.com/

      jews are descended from the “anunnaki“ bloodlines. you can tell by their facial features (big noses) they are not-human. and they killed jesus christ which means they are sons of the serpent (lucifer)

      davidicke.com

      Benji Reply:

      So did jesus tell you to hate jews?
      Just checked out your web-site, pretty f*ckin lame not to mention amateur.
      Learn how to use photoshop or something with your free time loser.

      SFC Reply:

      Last time I checked Jesus was a Jew as were all of his diciples and family did they kill him too? Get your shit straight before you spew you ignorant opinions. The plot to kill him was concocted by a handful of ultra orthodox Jews and the Roman government not the jewish people as a whole

    23. Tacks Says:

      Obama told ABC that he doesn’t want to see an attack on Iran, but that only means that he does want to see an attack on Iran. Remember, Obama believes, thinks, and does the EXACT opposite of what he says. It’s like clockwork.

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    25. Jewish Crime Network Says:

      The Jewish Crime Network is responsible for the mass murder known as 9/11

      See the evidence here, and pass it around to everyone you know. These criminals will fall…

      —> http://zioncrimefactory.wordpr.....l-did-911/

      LoneWolf Reply:

      I worked for an Israeli front operation in north Houston, TX to assist in the operation of 911.

      Funded by Shamir’s son …. low budget operation?

      Far from it. Yair Shamir, Yitzhak’s son, is one of the richest men in Israel.

      http://www.themarker.com/eng/a.....041102_01e

      TriggerFish Reply:

      If they only knew these criminals …. and their part in 911

      http://www.sec.gov/litigation/.....r20724.htm

      Many front operations in the US under Israeli control as we speak ….

    26. ROTS Says:

      don’t blame Israel people.. there are also many good jewish people & good believers
      we don’t have any right to judge the nation and innocent people//
      the problem is the current Jewish government.

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    28. Patriot-er Says:

      Biden goes on about Israel’s right to Sovereignty while Americans are losing theirs????
      These goons are mentally challenged. Do they not ‘think’ before they ’speak’ to the whole damn WORLD?
      It appears humans are digressing from evolving.
      They seem to get dumber by the day.
      Meanwhile the serfs nod in fashion while sipping on their flouride and chloride infested city water and eating their toxic GMO food.
      It’s disgusting to witness the course of humanity.

    29. Use Logic Says:

      So exactly who was it that tried, convicted and drove the nails in?????????

    30. Tx Hillbilly Says:

      I actually think that after the REAL PATRIOT’S comment …he is an insider too ! Get your head out of where the sun doesn’t shine …you blind moron !

    31. Hoofhearted Says:

      Israel

      Is= “Isis”
      Ra= the sun god “Ra”
      El= the planet Saturn

      Isis Ra Saturn = Israel

    32. 888 Says:

      try this http://www.real-wishes.com