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Brazil, Argentina drop dollar for bilateral trade
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International Herald Tribune
September 8, 2008
BRASILIA, Brazil: Brazil and Argentina are ready to stop using U.S. dollars to trade goods between them.
Brazil’s president tells the Buenos Aires-based Clarin newspaper that exports and imports between the two nations will be bought and sold in local currency — reals and pesos.
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President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva did not say when the measure would take effect.
Silva says the move will boost bilateral trade, which reached $US17.6 billion so far this year through July.
During that time, Brazil sold more to Argentina than it bought, building a US$3 billion trade surplus.
Silva and Argentine President Cristina Fernandez plan to sign the deal in Brasilia on Monday. It was first proposed two years ago.
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September 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
It wont stop here… beware!
September 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Is the dollar really doing that poorly when compared to other currencies? Take out a nation’s currency, and you will have taken out the nation.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Pour on the coal.. Full steam ahead…
I want it to keep going until we are living like the world did 1,000 years ago.. but without kings..
Most people will then have to come together.. if for no other rreason than to survive and fight.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The Federal Reserve note is NOT a united States Dollar, no matter what they print on that worthless paper. If OPEC did not set and trade crude oil in US federal reserve notes, there would be zero reason to use them for trade.
Our FRN is faith based and the god of the dollar is a religion that is losing, not gaining converts. The world is waking up to these facts, faster then most american citizen-slaves are.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
When the FRAUDS (Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Dollars) come home to roust a gallon of gas will go for $100.00+.
So history repeats itself and the real thieves get away with the nations wealth again and again.
Congress really has betrayed the American people AGAIN and AGAIN!
September 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
HEROES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeDSAcegfU0
September 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
the dollar is worth jack s---!
everything ive bought over the last 2 years from the states has been virtually half price for me,
all my reloading gear, and guns where ordered from the US,
this is good for us in the uk, but you may as well be giving the stuff away as far as your companies are concerned.
which has created a massive unbalance, where as before a gun would have cost me the equivilant of 2000 dollars, now it only costs me 1000 dollars, for the same gun lol, so remmington get 1000 dollars from me, and when they come to invest or purchase something from another country, they are having to pay out twice as much cash for the same thing.
this might seem good for US manufacturing at first glance, when they are getting lots of overseas sales, but it then cost them, double to purchase or invest in something from outside the US.
but dont worry we will follow suit soon and the pound will crash, as we allways follow the US but about 6 months behind, so come march 2009 the pound will be worth f--- all neither.
but i dont care cause im now armed to the f---ing teeth lol : )
September 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Make some cash while you can and buy gold. Click on my name if you need to make some extra green in the meantime.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
the dollar is worth jack s---!
everything ive bought over the last 2 years from the states has been virtually half price for me,
all my reloading gear, and guns where ordered from the US,
this is good for us in the uk, but you may as well be giving the stuff away as far as your companies are concerned.
which has created a massive unbalance, where as before a gun would have cost me the equivilant of 2000 dollars, now it only costs me 1000 dollars, for the same gun lol, so remmington get 1000 dollars from me, and when they come to invest or purchase something from another country, they are having to pay out twice as much cash for the same thing.
this might seem good for US manufacturing at first glance, when they are getting lots of overseas sales, but it then cost them, double to purchase or invest in something from outside the US.
but dont worry we will follow suit soon and the pound will crash, as we allways follow the US but about 6 months behind, so come march 2009 the pound will be worth f--- all neither.
but i dont care cause im now armed to the f---ing teeth lol ; )
September 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I appreciate the frankness of I love my redding…, and I wish him the best, but hasn’t private ownership of firearms been banned in the UK; or am I wrong.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
no meatdog we can buy anything except handguns, we can also fit moderators / silencers to all firearms due to health and safety legislation, as if the government refuse us silencers and we incure hearing loss then we can sue : ) as its a breach of their duty of care.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
no meatdog we can buy anything except handguns, we can also fit moderators / silencers to all firearms due to health and safety legislation, as if the government refuse us silencers and we incure hearing loss then we can sue : ) as its a breach of their duty of care.
also, i think you have some strong legislation on triggers over their dont ya, ive just put a jewwel trigger on my PSS that got an 1/4 of an ounce pull on it, i think you have to be over 7lb in the states dont ya ?
sorry having to post under 2 ip,s to get a message on here lol
September 8th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
If the world energy market stops trading in dollars we will start WW3, for U.S. banking interests to rebound and stay afloat for another sixty years, The defense sector will get us out of this pickle by escalating tension with other world powers. Oldest trick in the book. If your coffers are broke, have your lord’s or today our satellites stir up a s--- storm, then sell enough gunpowder for the whole conflict, and reap the wealth. I can imagine some board meeting with the Military Industrial Complex and the Bankers, where they’ve showed this presentation in graphs and flow charts, and it gets a standing ovation. Brilliant f---ing kill them all and we’ll make a fortune. Reminds me of Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder. Probably dancing around as nations burn. They could give squat about this country or any other, just profit margins and global dominance. Pirates don’t fly nation flags.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Just a question. So for countries throughout the world to trade on the international market, they need to directly borrow from the federal reserve? Or is there some other way they obtain the US dollars?
September 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Most countries have strategic reserves of U.S. dollars because in the past it was the world economic currency. Some of these countries take U.S. currency in lieu of their own, because it is worth more. Evidently not anymore. These countries carry our debt not the other way around. I’m sure the Treasury Dept. delivers all the cash. Other times it is scooped up from the international market. Old Saddam Hussein had hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. cash, all from third party brokering.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Bush and the neos will want to take these guys on now.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
JOHN
alot of it has to do with who are a countries main trading partners also,
the uk has moved away from the US now and is now spending billions with china, but in a currency that is worth more than the Chinese Yuan Renminbi,
so the US might buy 2 million of something from the UK, but we would ask for payment in say Kuwaity Dinar.
so the UK can then purchase from china at a more beneficial rate.
it dont always work like that, but just because i may sell you something in england, and your from the US it dont Necessarily mean i will request payment in dollars, its a big subject and is way overly complicated, but thats the way they like it, as its hard for the layman to get to grasps with it.
but alot has to do with trading partners
if you dont know this or understand this yet though, lots of countries are ditching the dollar!, not just the major ones being reported here.
we all know where its going though and eventually it will effect every country, which is exactly what they want, because with financial collapse comes war, and the bankers or should i say WANKERS win no matter who wins the war.
basically its us and them, and this is the truth, allways has been allways will be, but people are to stuppid to realise it.
the people always loose, while the select few get richer and richer
September 8th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
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September 8th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
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September 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Don’t kid yourself, china holds some 1.3 trillion in US treasuries and cash. Russia has hundereds of billions. All the arab nations have tons of cash and securities. With just those in mind, start another war and watch them dump these FRN’s, our economy would be over in less then 24 hours. We have little to no manufacturing base, and few left who know what the words Made in the USA even means. Face it our greatest manufacturing base and export are federal reserve notes, backed by nothing and worth even less. Yup this is going to be a lot of laughs when it finally crashes. Food, water and lead are going to be the currency, so lock and load!!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Apolla well said! US will be destroyed and not a shot fired.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Welcome Greater Depression!
Hello Amero!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
dont worry about it!!!!!!!
soon every country will be in the same boat
i do seriously think over the next 12 months a few nukes will be fired, maybe 3 at the very very most,
alot will die, but each country will mainly target less stategigically important sites, through fear of taking it all the way, it wont go global, but it will be f---ing heart breaking eitherway.
remember most countries use tactical nukes now, which are a small yield, may take out 20 square miles, russia wont use there big boomers unless the US is stupid and attacks moscow or something, but remember russia has the biggest nukes on the planet!!! and still has more nukes than the US, UK and israel put together.
6ft of soil above you will negate all radiactive damage, the problem is staying under for the first 2 weeks, water and food are needed.
the only reason leaders use bunkers 200 ft down shielded in lead and concreate is that if worse comes to worse they expect a direct hit.
you would be very very unfortunate to suffer a miss guided direct hit.
all this s--- will happen, when, i dont know, but it will.
just prep a bit and dont be stupid.
and dont let any f---er shoot you like they did over here in the UK in WW2 when men refused to fight and the affluent people that had been given hereditory military titles, such as battalion leader, shot men with no worry about being held accountable afterwards.
if someone points a gun at you, you have to assume they intend to shoot you, and you should recipricate with equal force.
my grandad was an paramedic in WW2 and saw lots of our own men shot by our own leaders, because they refused to carry out suicidal missions.
BASTARDS.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Time is near when Americans must take the economy into their own hands and use either their
own silver or straight barter. What’s going to hurt is so many have their “future” bound up in banks, ie pension funds, T Bills, stocks, etc. Those are going by the wayside, unless people
trade them in on hard currency toot sweet. There is no easy way to live through this, and
our country is changed forever and people are going to have to face it. But the ingenuity of
Americans is still alive so the temporary fix is to ignore the gov’t and their corrupt monetary
system as much as possible. Go “off the grid”, save food and ammo, and wait. Be proactive
with your neighbors and get the word out. 300 million citizens are an awful lot of people and
the cockroaches would play hell killing everyone without permanently damaging the environment.
LONG LIVE OUR BLOOD-BOUGHT FREE AMERICAN REPUBLIC!
September 8th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Hmmm, what this is telling us, is the USD$ will fail!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
ok its off topic but just read this.
especially the bit about the kids having their heads blown off and their faces melted : (
http://english.aljazeera.net/n.....10774.html
people are people no matter what country they come from.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Don’t forget to order your gold kit by phone!! Send in your old scraps and jewelry for worthless cash! Do it soon before the crash so you can be completely f---ed!
September 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
BEAT the internationalists at their own game…….become debt free and learn the secrets of the rich from the very best!
http://www.becomericher.info
September 8th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Well round two will be coming in soon. The 2009 home loan defaults should be worse than the 2008. You can expect progressively larger home loan defaults till around 2011 to 2012. When more countries follow suit with trading in other currencies the US will take a massive hit. It’s actually funny right now. China is propping up the US economy so they can suck everything out that is possible. This has happened throughout history; the alpha society pumps up another nation near its ending into an even bigger power than itself.
September 9th, 2008 at 12:50 am
I know the dollar value and America’s economic future is heading for distaster; noone truly knows when, but lately I have been hearing alot of rumors that the economy is going to crash SEPT 30th. In does make sense because most corporations fiscal year ends in Sept or Oct. On the same token it’s far-fetched that it will happen exactly on Sept 30th… Has anyone else been hearing the same thing? What is everyone’s thought on Sept. 30th 2008, being the day of doom? Feedback please.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 am
I never give much thought to people giving specific dates, although 12-21-12 is gonna be interesting to see if I’m still around. A couple of weeks ago Coast To Coast interviewed a trend analyst during the first hour of the show and he was not optimistic to say the least. He said a crash will occur in 2009… I’ve thought for quite a few years now that things would go bad for the USA but we’re still here. I’ve tried to tell my family and friends to prepare with water, food and ammo but they think I’m paranoid I guess. Because of my job situation and health reasons I have yet to buy a house when a lot of people my age have a house paid for. I now have a good down payment and good credit and have been looking at homes but I’m very wary about buying one right now. My mother has a house with a fence on a little less than an acre that would make a good defensive position to make a stand when s--- hits the fan but she like I said before thinks I’m just being paranoid. My father left us several guns but there isn’t much ammo and she would be pissed if I brought some over… she’s a liberal democrat. When it all comes down I don’t guess me or my family will do so well unless I go out on a limb and buy a house and start preparing.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:01 am
this is not Lulas decision.. Im sure it is the World Banks.. am I correct? Did he not sell off the Amazon to the World Bank?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:11 am
This is a big move in the dollar declining as the worlds trading currency, it will be reflected in the price as more people look to depart the dollar in the current rally against other currencies, buy gold and silver and transfer your purchasing power now.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:21 am
China’s economy began to increase about the time the US manufacturing and trase business began to decrease in the early 1990’s with the trade laws of NAFTA/GAT etc. Not to say the US was carrying the world.. but as Asia began to get into the tennis sho business.. things began to grow thee.. now it is steel, phamaceuticls, toys, clothing.. and the list goes on.. Their economies have been suppressed due to lack of business allowing through reproduction the “developement” of a cheap labor force, The labor force is paid low wages but the wages are good compared to pre-inductrialisation. They have very few, if any envirionmental laws, The GVTs of Asia don’t put on the fake concerns of the people and the people there have not been conditioned to think the GVT will take care of them and they know they are screwed. The GVT has kept them in their place and their past system of GVT was a “class” system where the poor were always to be poor.
When the present leaders tookover they killed the aristocrats, princes, religious influences, and anything and anyone else that would interupt thier ideals and plans.
This can all be found out by reading history..
The situations may chnage, the plan modified a little.. but the game is always the same.
And the world financialists know their “god”(money) is the king here on earth and can buy any man..
September 9th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Interesting news – Nice one all the country which do not support the NWO should follow in this way.
Empires throughout history have fallen apart from within
September 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I think that the end of september early october are very important in the discovery of signs in the heavens by some people that are heavy into the Bible.. The Church that is ready and waiting could very well be out of here at that time. Which in my opinion could very well bring the financial crush that much quicker.
September 9th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Everyones seen the solar winged orb i assume. Now put the solar winged orb under the 365
6 becomes the sun, now add outwards in each direction. On the left you get 9, on the right you get 11. Then if you add the masonic ‘as above, so below” them by drawing up/down pyramids from the 365, put 14 in each pyramid, 4+1=5, 5 relates to the masonic star which I believe relates to sirius the dog star, rather DOGON fish race. the G is the sun, as well as the question, as well as the pineal gland, representing a ritual including psychedelics or otherwise in a pyramidal structure at certain times. to time travel, space travel, telepathy, alternatet life progressions, also included are sugar and sex. Remember the album Blood, sugar, sex magik by the chili peppers? The satanic rituals are merely the universe, its communication conduits attached to us, and other dimensional beings such as the fabled alien awaiiss or rather later to be called Oz. Or lucifer or satan, or even God. Energy wavelengths men and women allow into there minds to possess and show them contructs of there choosing. It is insane. But I believe it makes sense on a quantum level somewhere. How do I know this alledged truth? i put the pieces together..that easy. also i forgot 14 divided by 2 also represents +77 and -77. I believe these numbers might have to do with spin of the galaxy but 77 is a oz/pan resonator.
September 9th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Great post # 31 Ogbios . Absolutely right!
September 9th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Lol #41 learn to paragragh jeez. Astrology lololol.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
also i forgot 14 divided by 2 also represents +77 and -77. I believe these numbers might have to do with spin of the galaxy but 77 is a oz/pan resonator
IN AUSTRALIA IT SPINS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
this october 10 there will be a surprise 10 10 -08 = 28 = 2+8 = 10 again ten is signifigant mystical number for secret mysticism. another bizarre thing about 10 10 08 is this 10 – 4 = 6, 10 – 4 = 6 and 2008 = 2 – 8 = 6 … these numbers come out to satan’s number 666 … on this date there will be something weird happn. I spoke to a fortune teller about this and she said 10 10 -08 will be the date dr destructo will activate his nano bots that are dorment in our bodies to activate take over our thoughts and turn us into NEW WORLD ORDER zombies. By the way the nano bots have been put in our food supply especially CAPTAIN CRUNCH