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California Grand Jury Backs Reduction of Gun Permits
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NORBERTO SANTANA JR.
The Orange County Register
February 24, 2009
The Orange County grand jury has a message for county supervisors, gun rights advocates and everyone else who disagrees with Sheriff Sandra Hutchens’ plan to reduce concealed weapons permits: “Let the sheriff do her job.”
That’s the title of the grand jury report to be released today, according to a confidential copy obtained by The Orange County Register.
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Hutchens has spent months arguing with local lawmakers and gun advocates over her plan to make it tougher to get gun permits.
Critics have said that Hutchens, a former division chief for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, is mistakenly bringing an L.A. standard to a staunchly Republican county. Hutchens argues she is just enforcing state law and refuses to use the permit issue to advance policy beliefs on gun rights.
“An orderly society is the goal. Public safety is the paramount consideration,” concludes the grand jury report. “The fact that public clamor has reached the ears of politicians is irrelevant.”
Hutchens was muted in her reaction to the report, thanking the grand jury through a spokesman for “looking at this issue from a factual and dispassionate basis.”
Under California law, sheriffs and police chiefs have wide discretion in deciding what residents have a “good cause” that would enable them to carry a concealed gun in public. Former Sheriff Mike Carona established a policy that greatly expanded the number of permits during his tenure.
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February 24th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Sheriff hutchens…went to the FBI academy. doesnt surprise me. witch. Check out the last sentence mostly.
During her first few months as Sheriff-Coroner, her department sent letters to many concealed weapon permit holders indicating their intention to revoke those permits. The form letters, sent to over one hundred permit holders, read “The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department’s present intention is to revoke your CCW license,” [1] Sheriff Hutchens states that her reason for the revocation was that she believed “the prior administration stretched good cause.” [2]. However, many counties in California, including nearby San Bernardino County, consider a desire for personal protection to be sufficient good cause.[3]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOJc0w-fzY
February 24th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
how many crimes have been committed by registered gun owners as compared to non registered solved and unsolved crimes for that matter? wheres the statistics on those? my ex had to go to the police station and beg. it is at their discretion. police state is an understatement.
February 24th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
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February 24th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“An orderly society is the goal.”… isn’t that nice… dont we all.
Reality is its a friggin warzone out there with people preying on the weak, and really…
how many CCW carriers have shot/killed someone who didnt have it coming to them?
I love knowing citizens CC out there… I wish everyone could!
THEY SHOILD LOOK INTO THE CHP OFFICER THAT SHOT AND KILLED HER UNARMED HUSBAND FOR ABUSE,WHILE DRIVING IN THEIR CAR!
February 24th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Orderly society my ass- if you want an orderly society, you have more not less armed citizens. What they want is a whole segment of society to be castrated of their rights to defend themselves from the very slime and filth, dickheads like this sheriff either fail to dust off or incarcerate. It is also nice to know, if you’re a dirt bag boy/girl in blue, you’ll never be shot back at when you abuse people’s rights and try to stomp their faces in the dirt.
speed Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I whole heartedly agree with the comment made by Mr Swagger !
Think! Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I SECOND THAT!!
ARM-RESIST Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
You couldn’t be more correct!!
Gun control is just that, CONTROL. Its not about the safety of the public, or crime reduction or any other bullshit the advocates spew. Its about taking away our only means of defense against THEM
February 24th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Just more proof of the ignorance and apathy of the people which is exactly why this country and it’s people are going down. “The power of judge & prosecutor over a jury will be in direct proportion to the degree of the jury’s ignorance.”
This sheriff in Orange County needs to be canned for not following the oath of office to serve and protect her the people who elected her to begin with. If you call taking away the people’s means to defend themselves and arresting American citizens for having guns no matter what they are, you need to join up with the NWO as well. How much longer are these criminals and ignorant slaves going to get away with this shit under the color of law?
The revolution is soon at hand.
kw Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
She was appointed in place of sheriff Carona who was forced out of office because of corruption charges, of which, a recent jury found him “not guilty”.
February 24th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I’m not moving to California.
Mr.T Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 12:04 am
I plan on moving out of KKKalifornia!
February 24th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Print out a copy of the constitution,there is your permit!
kw Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
HEAR HEAR!!
February 24th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Look they obviously don’t care if you and your family are over run and brutally murdered by a gang of bandits in your own home! This is evidence,enough said
February 24th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
REPENT.UNITE.RESIST.
Theywontchipme Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Repent for what ..?
Anyone who believes in Original Sin is brainwashed beyond all help
February 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
GREAT VIDEO!
Something to tell the world!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT8cg62iKyg
Blasta Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
The best person in the world is david-d-.u-.k-e. I have nothing better to do all day than to try and harm the Jewish people. Did you ever see their horns? My grandfather says I should grow out my hair and shave off my pointy beard, but I told him that the other people in my supremacist movement would have trouble recognizing me if I did that.he said that they would know me by my t-shirt with the s-w-a-s-ti-k-a on it, and I should get rid of that too. But I am very attached to my shirt, I never take it off. I need my bald head to help polish my n-a-zi belt buckles, and I need my pointy beard so my dog will kiss me (he doesn’t like a clean shaven face).
Blasta Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Please understand that I am a fan of david-d-u-k-e. I have nothing better to do all day than to try and harm the Jewish people. Did you ever see their horns? My grandfather says I should grow out my hair and shave off my pointy beard, but I told him that the other people in my supremacist movement would have trouble recognizing me if I did that.he said that they would know me by my t-shirt with the s-w-a-s-ti-k-a on it, and I should get rid of that too. But I am very attached to my shirt, I never take it off. I need my bald head to help polish my n-a-zi belt buckles, and I need my pointy beard so my dog will kiss me (he doesn’t like a clean shaven face).
February 24th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Does anyone here really believe that this was an impartial Grand Jury? Furthermore, what possible motive/justification could there be for convening a Grand Jury unless a crime were being investigated?? This BS is all arbitrary.
IF I were dumb enough to hold a CCW permit, then I’d tell them to show me the LAW that states it’s invalid. I wouldn’t accept the word of some statist ‘copchick’ that it’s no longer valid. Ex post facto laws are invalid! (ref. Article I, sections 9 & 10 of the US Constitution).
My RIGHT to self-defense comes from God (as stated in the 2nd Amendment quite clearly and eloquently). There it is!
Semper Fi, Chris in Colorado
Qui desiderant pacem preparate bellum Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Good point. Their “good cause” was legal at the time the permit was issued. They can’t change their status retroactively.
February 24th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
The reason the Republican party shunned Ron Paul is because he is many things that they are not. He is honest. He is conservative. He follows the Constitution. He stays out of the affairs of sovereign nations. He is for small government. He is for open, fair and honest elections. He is for third party representation.
He is for open government. He is for states rights. He is for non government intervention. He is for small government. He is for minimal taxation. He is for disbanding the IRS.
Now, why would the Republican party shun a man with this kind of character?
Answer: He is what they pretend to be. He is a true conservative who practices what the republicans preach. He is what the republican party will never be. He is Ron Paul.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
The right of a person to have a firearm is unalienable. To deny a human being to make their own decisions for their own personal safety is a travesty and can not stand. If another can impose their will upon you, to deny you the right to choose your own path, your own soverignty is under attack. Thus like all attacks upon the freedoms of any person it is the persons right and duty to resist and fight back. The only freedoms you have are the ones you are prepared to fight and die for.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
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February 24th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
A grand jury. yeah right. It never happened. They’re lying. A bunch of legislators went behind closed doors( in secret, out of session) wrote it up, then passed it along, buried in a stack of other laws that they agreed to pass to collect more revenue. Probably got threatend by nwo boy arnold. Who the fuck do they think they bullshitting.
February 24th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
What has happened to the free men in this country? What would men 200 years ago think of the neutered “males” of today? WWGWD?
February 24th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Brings to mind “El Generalissimo”, dictator of a Latin American country, banging his fist on the podium while addressing the masses held at gunpoint and being made to listen to his rantings at the tribunals and yelling at the top of his lungs, “WE WILL HAVE ORDER!!!”
February 24th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Keep grabbing your ankles you soft coward bitches!!
Squeal like a pig…….boy
February 24th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
First thing, Cali is a communist state. second thing, a grand jury doesn’t hear both sides of the story. They only hear what the state has to say. What do you expect from a court that says the pledge is illegal, illegals are protected and they teach young kids that being gay is a lifestyle choice. if it fell into the ocean with the next earthquake, I won’t lose sleep.
ARM-RESIST Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Agree. I was hoping the “wildfires” would just keep spreading and burn it all to a crisp. Lets hijack HAARP and make the earthquake happen now.
bill Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Youre right the 1/2 the state should burn to a crisp starting wih their moronic police, Spreading to that vile and perverted city of san fran sicko then onto that sesspool L.A., burn baby burn then the earthquake. take all the freaks away.
February 24th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
To find out about this – go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....ll=h111-45
February 24th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
What is wrong with these idiots in California? How could they allow this Sherriff to do this? Maybe folks over there should tell that cop bitch to go fuck herself.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I got y’alls “Good Clause” hangin’ right F’n here bitch!!! And BTW I’m being kind mind you. Scared motherfuckers in Law Enforcement…come on fess’ up y’all!! Do we have to kill you assholes that are ill-informed and leave your spouses widows for a cause that will never benefit you???? You FUCKIN’ decide because you’re out gunned!!! Yet, y’all are in the same boat as me…always remember…the first shot’s of an assassin are on a family’s children!!! I can’t make this shit up, so don’t fuckin’ flip on me!!! Socities come and go and that’s given!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
February 25th, 2009 at 3:21 am
Doesn’t matter to me – I carry when and where I want – “law” be damned.
bill Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
are you ready to go to jail if and when they stop you and they illegaly perform a search and seizure, what would you do if they pulled you over to strong arm you with the other cop looking on, while he is calling for back up. If you have nothing to lose then I say go for it, you have about less then 3 minutes to kick the crap out of them and stick their guns you know where. But you better be trained to remove their weapons from them and do what needs to be done, embarrasement makes good pictures, i would make them strip down to their bare ass. in the end they are cowards hiding behind their illegal badges issued to them by the corrupt cities they work for.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:07 am
damn, I’m not impressed with this bitch , violating the 2A rights of people…I’m also not impressed with all the FED activity on the posts here today. AJ exposers and white supremists oh my! the trolls are out today myfriends….anyhow this sheriff should be thrown out on her ass, is she elected or appointed to that position?
most states like Pa have elections for sherriff. wonder what the next election is going to bring that bitch?
~Fitzy
February 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am
I have to say I am a bit upset with the Sheriff of my county, then again, this was to be expected. It is rather sickening here is OC and many of the people have no clue what is going on.
February 25th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Hell I don’t even need weapons anymore as EVERY weapon carried by ANY woman is mine in 3 to 5 seconds flat. These weak ass bitches that think they are all that b/c they are packing better have a squad of men with them because anyone with any training can disarm a woman almost instantly. Women with guns are the easiest target for getting weapons, which btw are loaded and registered to somebody else. Especially these forest service bitches alone in the brush.
REB Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I appreciate your sense of humor,But ANY is a big generalization and could get you killed,I can handle a gun,had em since I could pick one up,had a lot of experience and training,and Ive seen a few ladies who thank God are on my side who you would not disarm before you were dead, never stereotype and thereby underestimate you opponent,even a girl who is packin you just never know!
bangflop Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Yes I do know, unless the gun is unholstered and pointed at me and off safety, a woman is not going to get the gun drawn and shoot me if I am within arms length. I am 6′1″ 215 pounds and well trained. No woman has a chance as I will overpower them and that is a fact.
bangflop Reply:
March 18th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Hello, I am writing from the hospital. I made a mistake and was shot. I will be facing months of rehab to get back on my feet. Fortunately in California the laws don’t punish rapists, but those with guns. She is now a felon and I’m a free man. I love this state!
February 25th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Learn the basics of Jap Aikido. Easy to learn and VERY effective against armed individuals. Also, act crippled, maybe use a cane and a BAD limp or even a walker and act like a spazmodic. Ted Bundy proves it works. With Aikido all one needs is to get them into arms reach. If I have one hand on any armed woman, said weapon is mine.
February 25th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
IF YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, READ THE DAMMNED CALIFORNIA CONSITUTION. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
SECTION 1. Rights of Man, which are those of enjoying and DEFENDING LIFE, etc., etc. Use a wet noodle, I guess. Of corse in Commie Cal. that might be illegal too!
SECT. 21
SECT. 22
SECT. 23
If you cannot carry a weapon for defending your own life, how can any Police officer carry one. They say using the excuse for “SELF DEFENSE” is not a good enough excuse, then same would apply to the Police & Sheriff. Do not need a gun to enforce laws? Not unless you are in Germany during WW2. They needed their guns to force you to go to the death camps.
But by the Calif. Constitution, it is a right. All Constutitons are the Supreme Laws of the Land.
Enforce your Rights.
February 25th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Well I’m on my10th day on waiting for the NIC to check my background for a rifle…..I recently bought 2 handguns through the same arms dealer…but I can’t buy a rifle?????……Wisconsin.
bangflop Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Probably looking at all these boards you posted to and decided you are a terrorist.
ARM-RESIST Reply:
February 26th, 2009 at 12:32 am
They don’t do instant background checks in wisconsin?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:29 am
I WONDER HOW REVOKING GUN PERMITS IN CALIFORNIA TO LAWFUL CITIZENS IS HELPING PROTECT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHEN LOS ANGELES CUT BACK 27 SHERIFFS POSTIONS AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS DUMPING 4000 INMATES OUT OF THE PRISON POPULATION SOON, BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT TOLD THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA , THE STATES PRISONS ARE OVER POPULATED, IT SEEMS AGAIN EVERY LAW BIDING MORON IS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG, TO BE KILLED? OR VICTIMIZED WHILE WE ARE TOLD NO GUN PERMITS TO DEFEND OUR SELFS AND OUR LIVES, I FOR ONE SAY THAT IF THESE MORONS RUNNING THIS GREAT PLAN GET MUGGED BY THE ANIMALS THEY ARE LETTING LOSE ON THE PUBLIC IT WOULD SERVE THEM RIGHT TO BE PUT IN PRISON , FOR ANY MURDER OR CRIME THAT HAPPENS IN THIS STATE, PERSONALLY IT PAYS TO HAVE A DETERANT AGAINST SCUMBAGS WEATHER ANYONE SAYS ITS LEAGAL OR NOT , ITS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN A VICTIM , BECAUSE IF YOUR DEAD THEN THE LAWS DONT HELP YOU AT ALL, BUT WHO KNOWS MAYBE THE CRIMINALS WILL BE MERCIFUL AND ONLY BEAT THE HELL OUT OF YOU, BUT THE LAW IS THAT WAY TOTALY BLIND TO THE LITTLE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW.
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March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I love and support Chris always!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I love and support Chris always!