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Canada Taxi Drivers Protest In-Cab Snoop Cameras
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CBC News
February 12, 2008
Taxi convoy protests in-car cameras in downtown Ottawa
Hundreds of taxis clogged the streets of Ottawa Tuesday morning as drivers demonstrated against a new bylaw requiring security cameras in their vehicles starting July 2.
“Traffic is moving very very slow, all along the route,” reported CBC Radio’s Alistair Steele from the middle of the convoy around 11 a.m., an hour after the protest started at Coventry and Belfast roads.
The taxis were making their way along the Vanier Parkway, Montreal Road and Rideau Street toward Ottawa City Hall, where they were to meet with hundreds of other taxis and demand a meeting with Mayor Larry O’Brien.
Yusuf Al Mezel, president of the Canadian Auto Workers Local 1688, which represents the taxi drivers and organized the protest, said the drivers will not allow the cameras to be installed in their cars this July.
“These cameras will not be installed in our cars without our consent and without our consultation,” he said, adding that drivers were not asked to weigh in on the bylaw or even the type of security camera that would be installed.
The drivers have voiced concerns about their privacy and that of their passengers as well as the price of cameras, which are $1,500 each and are being obtained by the city through a single-source contract with Toronto-based VerifEye Technologies.
Al Mezel said the drivers did their own investigation and found they could get security cameras for half that price.
Council approved the bylaw requiring the cameras in September 2005. Since then, the city has allowed drivers to collect a five cent surcharge on each fare and the difference between seven per cent and the reduced GST to cover the cost of the cameras, said city spokesman Barre Campbell.
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February 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Sickening, what ever happened to the fourth amendment.
February 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Dumbest idea ever. I mean why??? Is the government that concerned over the small minority of taxi cab patrons who run out on their fares? I hate when Canada goes America style with this kinda crap.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I hate when Canada goes America style with this kinda crap. Canada does as there told by the elite, just like the US and the rest of the world does. Yes, The elite is TRUE, this thing is for real and it’s only going to get bigger.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Roger,
Does Canada have a 4th amendment?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
CANADA doesn’t have any amendment, ……
it’s a foreign corporation, just like the UNITED STATES is,…..
February 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
No 4th amendment but we have a charter of rights and everybody is sleeping here as well…It makes me sick to hear that Canada is more educated than the US…I am Canadian..take it from me my IQ 146…exception to the rule here just like everywhere else. Canada better wake up…it’s worse here because everybody thinks the US is evil and so they deserve it and bad stuff happens there because they are dumb and deserve it…bulls---…Canada watches it’s own version of Entertainment Tonight, worships Britney Spears etc…Canadian Idol. I’ve f---ing had it with this dumb society….you sleep and let people do your thinking for you and you will pay for it. Sucks for people like me who try to live right, practice what I preach, try to wake people up..but nobody is listening…call me a quack, laugh at me…one guy punched me for being ” Stupid “….If it didn’t affect me and my precious family, I would wish this all upon them. I will post this on my facebook page and get no response…but load a picture of my dog taking a s--- and that will elicit 50 responses …pretty sad. god bless my patriotic pals in the US…see you at the edge of the big ditch.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
One “benefit” of these spy scameras is arresting cabbies to don’t pay 100% of their taxes to Gangsta Govt.
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February 12th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Although this is an invasion of privacy, it should still be the decision of the cabbie whether or not he wants his boss looking over his shoulder… literaly.
Im from Edmonton, AB Canada, and we have somewhat of the same situation. 3 or so cabbies have been either assulted or murdered on their job and our council is now in the state of deciding whether protective sheilds are the best idea.
Believe me, cameras couldent do anything effective when it comes to making sure the company is collecting their share. And being that renting a cab to drive for a company actually costs the drivers thousands a month, they need to give them what they’re asking for.
The choice should still remain the cabbies, but dont mistake it for a privacy issue for a second, mistake it for a money sucking program that the government is forcing on a private company, against their will – not to mention at a rate that cab drivers found to DOUBLE what they found.
February 12th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
The cabbies are just upset that they won’t be able to screw hookers in their cars anymore. They might as well be working in a Quik-E Mart.
February 12th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Adam says : (The choice should still remain the cabbies, but dont mistake it for a privacy issue for a second, mistake it for a money sucking program that the government is forcing on a private company, against their will – not to mention at a rate that cab drivers found to DOUBLE what they found.)
Hey Adam….Invasion of freedom..period…END OF THE f---ING STORY…pretext pretext pretext….f--- cameras…all of ‘em…f--- choice of cabbies…get rid of the NWO and nobody will harm anybody. Root of evil is the NWO illuminati fags!!! Just like pay as you go gas…they don’t want you stealing from them but they steal from us every day….wish I could laugh and make jokes like funny guy Jerry. I’ve been Telling my old man for twenty f---ing years that this was happening only to have him cut me down as a know nothing kid..now I’m 38…seen all I said would happen happen…so why is that ??!! and have been labeled nuts by everyone I know because I READ!!!! Then I read From ADAM that its is just extort money from cab companies for money’s sake….holy s---!! what were doing on this site in the first place if that is what you think is going on…??
If I read you wrong, I’m sorry…you can’t be on info wars if you don’t understand what the hell is going on and how they accomplish their agenda by setting up a pretext to get what they want.
OPPRESSION REALLY SUCKS for freethinking human beings…I feel really trapped and under attack and this is how I react now…I need a joint!! PEACE..and sorry about the rant
February 12th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Scott Says:
Well Rick I know desperation when I smell it. I see you are the self proclaimed Alpha Male of Peace & Freedom and have decided that Adam “can’t be on info wars”. You speak with such authority, your profanity and pot smoking is just the kind of advisory they (The N.W.O.) are hoping and have been planing for in the battle for the hearts & minds of humanity. Has anyone asked themselves why Ron Paul is having success. He has used the same core language (i.e. Empire/N.W.O./Police state etc.) and yet like a Zen master he looks through the eye of the corporate media storm, sees what must be done to stop the oncoming planned Apocalypse and does not allow himself to be a victim of those who at present hold the power. Screaming, ranting pot smoking potty mouths will never help in the war to win over the hearts & minds of humanity.
Freedom like you and me is a living, breathing, evolving life force that each generation gives definition to. For past generations freedom ment that Blacks & Women were not people and had no God given right to vote. 2000 years ago in the middle east wine was reserved for only the powerful and afluential, all others were given water. The fact that I’m required to give my name and e-mail to participate on infowars.com could be seen as how you say…Invasion of freedom..period…END OF THE f---ING STORY.
This fight is serious f---ING serious! Peace, order, good government and above all Freedom of the individual can’t be taken lightly. This war runs much deeper than any pretext pretext pretext like 9-11. Keep your eyes only on the pretext (Which is what they want) and the war is already lost. Enfisise terrorism instead of peace and freedom and the war is already lost. Organise anti-war marches instead of peace marches and the war is already lost. Mire yourself in thoughts of anger, fear, frustration & general negativeity instead of living with an inner peace that tells you that your cause is righteous then sadly the war is already lost. If we move toward our objective with focus (No t.v./No video games/No drugs-Take the Red pill) then all the money & power that any dark organization may possess can’t help but vanquish before the immutable light of free thinking peoples. PEACE
February 12th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
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2008
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You will watch for the the gray-ing hair, they are gray-ing over weeks and months, this is their Crown for the current masters.
The Masters of this earth love the Pure Whites – like Anderson Cooper or many other TV personalites. but to have success they must GRAY to get YOUR respect. This is an idiotic attempt to MATURE the TV person. watch the the Super- delagates PLEASE!
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We can take the country back, but it will not be a pretty sight.
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JULY 4th
2008
ROBCAMPBELL Boston Mass
February 13th, 2008 at 3:13 am
We have a wireless device for accepting credit payments in taxi’s, for couriers even pizza dleievry if so desired. The technolgy our devcies have installed but current are disabled allow us to do the following:
1/ Video record and send to server.
2/ read RFID cards – we know who you are before you tell us and who you work for in some cases.
3/ record voice conversation inside the taxi
4/ record sms and voice calls on the device.
5/ record and report your travel history [RFID allows this even if you pay cash, if you are carrying our prepaid or corporate cards.]
6/ thumb scanners – even voice authentication, I guess retina as well.
Technology all to make your journey more convenient.
We are all privacy freaks in this business, but our devices can be enabled, it is only software
and plug-in peripherals.
we are here to make money not spy, but as you know if we have it, the government has it too
February 13th, 2008 at 3:19 am
The problem people is the taxis drivers safety. bashings robbery shootings..
They do have a tough job… remember taxis are mainly a cash business.
This would be the primary reason for it… to protect the drivers.
However, as an avid infowarrior I agree with what you are saying about the government,
pls refer to my other post on what I can do in a taxi or anywhere in fact that uses our devices.
February 13th, 2008 at 3:39 am
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February 13th, 2008 at 7:58 am
How did cab drivers ever survive before the advent of modern technology?
February 13th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Trevor ..poster #13 … you know, I live in Ottawa and take these cabs from time to time and you know what? There is not that much crime, I certainly never hear about shootings/bashings/robberies.
It may very well happen from time to time but considering I live in the area and have never heard of any I would wager it’s a very very very rare occurence.
What likely really is the case is that someone is probably getting some very nice “kickbacks” from the “single-sourced Toronto-based VerifEye Technologies”
February 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am
I live in the GTA and drivers here are concerned about roberry and beatings. There are alot. However, I could see this technology being used negatively. The cabs here already have GPS chips installed so that the dispatch is always able to see where the car is. It’s especially stupid if we as riders have to front the cost of these cameras.
February 13th, 2008 at 9:37 am
If a driver is really concerned about safety, he will buy his own camera.
This program has four flaws. 1> Its a mandate with penalities 2> Its a total invasion of privacy 3> It is clearly a sweetheart contract designed to enrich VerifEye 4> No one asked the drivers
This is essentially a new $1000 tax on taxi drivers
February 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
#12. So let me get this straight – I walk into your cab with my door/security pass from Acme Inc., your in-car device is capable of reading it like plaintext? Feh. You’d think they’d at least put a simple hash key on these things.
February 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I used to live in Ottawa for 32 years and can remember only a handful of incidents during that period when I heard mention of violent attacks or robbery against members of the taxi community. It seems like a lot of effort has gone into pushing this legislature through regardless of the modicum of security value provided to the cabbies in comparison to the massive invasion of privacy imposed upon their passengers, the majority of whom are law abiding citizens.
Let’s face it; if a cabbie has a gun or knife pointed to his head, a security camera isn’t really going to provide much immediate support againt such an attack, let alone disuade most hardliner criminals from committing the crime in the first place. They, the potential criminal minnded, would just be better prepared to disguise themselves before an attack.
Fact: There are still thousands of store robberies that occurr each year accross the nation despite all of the stores having security cameras!
Question: If the cabbies don’t want them, and the general population didn’t ask for them, then why is Government spending time and money in effort to push these ideas into law?
I often hear about the contraversy surrounding the thesis offreedomand privacy vs. the antithesis of security and surveillance and wonder if this will be seen as another Big Brother move to have us all monitored 24/7. What else has to happen before the general population wakes up to the realities of the injustices set against the populations of this planet.
I, for one, would spray paint over the cameras if i were subjected to a cab ride in a surveillance monitored vehicle rather than be spied upon in my travels. Bad enough we already have cameras in stores, banks, Government offices etc…
I’m glad the cabbies took a stand , but I hope that the city doesn’t but them out and offer to ‘pay’ for the devices…later
February 14th, 2008 at 6:42 am
I must say that this is disturbing and unnerving. One might feel as though they are living in NYC or London England. I would hazard a guess that someone is getting a sizable payoff from this heretofore unheard of tech company. My money is on our recently elected “Lex Luthor/Uncle Fester wannabe” mayor Larry “I bought the job” O’Brien, who just happens to be under investigation attempting to bribe his opponent to drop out of the mayoralty race a few months prior to the election. Never mind the fact that this “criminal genius” attempted to get himself a raise in salary, and convince the other members of City Council to accept the same so that he would not be alone in the sin, that would have brought his pay to something in the range of 5 – 15% more than that of the mayor of Toronto, a city with nearly FOUR TIMES the metropolitan population of Ottawa, a week before he was even sworn in as mayor! Or better yet firing a large chunk of staff from City Hall, with absolutely no warning to those employees, under the pretext of his election platform of “Cutting Waist and SAVING TAXPAYERS MONEY”, only to farm that work out to a company called Calian, the company he started and still owns and is still on the board of directors of even as mayor, for great savings of nearly 1 million dollars MORE THAN IT COST TO HAVE THE CITY HALL EMPLOYEES THAT GOT FIRED TO DO THAT SAME WORK! Must be a good friend of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
But the devil is in the details and the installation of these cameras probably leaves loophole around their functioning. It is legislated they be installed but where does it say the need be turned on or that there cannot be a bright light shining directly into the lens of this intrusive device while in operation.
Should someone pick up on that cue watch mayor Lex Luthor clandestinely have some cabbies suddenly attacked and robbed or “done in” to 9/11=Iraq the cameras into the cabs.
If all cabbies refuse to do it there won’t be a hell of a lot that City council will be able to do, short of putting all cab drivers in the city in jail or suspend ever cab license for non-compliance with the legislation or the resulting fines, YA RIGHT! Not bloody likely!
February 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Our taxi’s are all fitted with Cameras. It is compulsary. Any taxi without is forbidden on the road. It took 6 months for them to approved and fitted, without a single complaint for any of the drivers/owners. We were informed that is was for our own protection. That these cameras would stop or at least assist police in catching those who tried to rob us, hold us up, or run from the Taxi without paying the fair.
Since they have been installed for almost 1 1/2 years now, we have no one download images for these offences. Infact, if we go to the council/police/department of transportation or the taxi company and tell them about an offence, we are told “If it is not over 50 dollars, it is not worth our time”. Those who have been attacked have been told that the images were downloaded already even before the drivers make a report, and without the cameras database being taken to a qualified technician to download.
However, when customers have complained about a driver doing wrong, over loading his taxi, drinking, smoking, or abusing a customer, the police do not hesitate.
It suprised me that an offense as simple as smoking in a Taxi would have the taxi pulled up the depo, images downloaded and reviewed, and any driver caught smoking would pay a large fine.
Taxi owners sign the contract to allow the cameras. Drivers, do not.. This is why my cameras are always covered.
Once I was asked, what would happen if you ran into trouble, with covered cameras. I laughed. I asked him what he would say/do and is it effective. He says “Live cameras dude, live cameras” and has a success rate of about 80%. Well I told him “Cameras covered, cameras covered, because they don’t want to know what I will do to you”. This works for me also about 80% of the time.
In my honest opinion. Cameras were never installed here to protect us, they were installed to force us to abide by their many rules and laws.
February 16th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
STOP THIS HORROR NOW!!!!!!!!FREEDOM,RON PAUL….RON PAUL….RON PAUL AGAIN!!!!!!
February 25th, 2008 at 11:02 am
waste of time unless they wish to get drivers i do think we screwed