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Canadian Details Nightmare of “Free” Health Care
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Brad Shrum
Infowars
October 30, 2009
I am a Canadian. I am young enough to have had access to “universal health care” my entire life. I still have the doctor I had growing up, he is a one and a half hour drive from my current city. Before I can have a doctor in the city where I live, I have to find one that is accepting patients and stop being a patient of my other doctor; it has been 5 years. But I want to share an experience I had at a hospital in a city with a population of 90,000+.
3AM. My wife shakes me awake. She is in distress. Her abdomen is in pain, it has been since 2AM when she started her pacing. The sweat was rolling down her forehead when she tells me that she is going to vomit from the pain. She leaves to the bathroom and proceeds to haunch and choke in the bowl. As the sleep leaves my mind I begin thinking, asking her questions and combining it with what knowledge I have. I know that the wait will be long but the risk is too great not to go.
330AM. We arrive at the hospital. I enter the doors to the emergency area. Though the floor is free of debris it has years of filth encrusted in the linoleum tiles. It was easy to detect that the floors had once been blue as the floor was much cleaner (looking) under the worn furniture, however all the food pieces and garbage that had been missed by the cleaning staff over the days gave me an idea of how clean this waiting area was.
Despite the muddy looking floor our shoes squeaked as we walked across the wax encased, filthy tiles toward the triage nurse station. There is an overweight girl accompanied by her mother, clearly she is in pain. Neither of them make an effort to look up, they have both been here too long. They are both in pain but for their own reasons. There are two police officers off to the side. They are not here for a specific case, this is Saturday night turned Sunday morning, they are here for prevention. There was no one at the nurses’ desk, they are in the other hallway trying to make more room in the hall for the patients on stretchers; they are the priority.
345AM. The eyes of the room glance up every now and again. They also waited a long while to be triaged. They are not as concerned about my wait or even the long series of events that turned their health care system into this. They are concerned with our ailment. If we are sicker they will be waiting longer. The nurse takes my wife back to ask some questions to determine whether she is worth getting what little bit of health care is available to go around this morning. I leave to move the car.
4AM. I am back in the waiting room. She is sitting in one of the chairs far enough away from everyone elsee to give them their space to be ill and with their own supporters. This is the etiquette that had been established, she would not challenge this. I sit beside her and start to think about the myriad of things that could be causing my wife such pain. I try to be rational with my assessment but when you come to this place it is because the time has come to admit that something could be very wrong. Could their be a bowl perforation? Or perhaps an inflamed appendix? I remember that people have died in these waiting rooms due to a miscalculation by the nurse; the tired, over-worked nurse, in combination with the child-like faith in our health care system to which many cling . It may be time to remind the nurse that this could be serious.
410AM. The lab tech comes for my wife, she is going to take some blood and asks for a urine sample to run some tests; these results will tell us whether we are in trouble. As she walks away to get her blood drawn an ambulance arrives. The triage nurse is having a busy night. One of the paramedics informs the police officers there is a belligerent gentlemen interested in seeing them. They follow him out of the room. The vacuum left by the departure of the police draws another soul into the room. The triage nurse closes the access point to her office. The visual of worn out brown penny loafers connected to the man decked from head to toe in blue jean combines with the potent smell of whiskey. The report from these two senses alone is enough to decide that this is the reason there are police here tonight.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
My wife is walking past carrying an empty jar towards the bathrooms. She will have to carry it past everyone again when it is full with her sample. She is going to hate this but apparently dignity is not cost effective in hospitals. The triage nurse is busying around in the office when the man in jeans begins issuing his challenge to everyone in the room. Perhaps he felt his attempt at intimidating everyone will keep him safe from any harassment or maybe it was a rather lucid precursor to his next move. He walks to the nurse who is behind the shatter resistant glass. The man tells the nurse he wants a bed in the mental health wing and adds the threat that he is “trouble.” She is tougher than the glass she is behind. Her answer is rational and rehearsed and means “no”. She has outwitted him and he leaves.
430AM My wife is pacing near me, it helps with the pain. The elderly gentleman at the back of the room has had enough. But there is a lot to have had enough of. It may have been the group of teens that were sitting with their friend who was punched to the point of injury out on the street. The constant back and forth of this group between the exit to go smoke was something to have had enough of. Maybe the loud metal music playing aloud from the cell phone they carried was something to have had enough of. Perhaps he had enough of listening to the man at the other end of the room who was trying to regain the pride he had lost from being jumped by a gang, by speaking of all the things he would do to get his revenge. The injuries he had suffered was not what was hurting him the most, what hurt was that no matter what he did or said getting medical attention was out of his power. The elderly man went to the nurse with his wife to decry the lack of any attention after their eight hour wait. This was the reason he gave for leaving. The nurse did what she could to reassure them that they would be fine without seeing the doctor tonight. Truth be told, if this man’s wife did die that night no tears would be shed by a system that had given up on her. The real reason the man had enough was because every minute in the room was a reminder that the system he had invested in for so long was not there. It was a brief illusion and what was there could offer them nothing.
515AM. My wife is in pain, she is pacing. Have her samples been processed? Has anyone looked at the results? She assures me that she isn’t getting worse. I believe her but I would like to see a leukocyte count to be sure there is no impending crisis.
The man in jeans has returned but so have the police. This time he is chatting with an officer who is still learning how to play the role of the man in charge but he has a partner if he should lose his audience. The officer and his partner begin asking the man in jeans questions about his identity. He hopes the information is false so he will have cause to arrest the man in jeans and try to take the respect that was not offered. Dispatch responds and shortly the police leave. It is okay, the sun in coming up. That which lurks in the night won’t need to be scared off until the sun has again departed.
530AM. The nurse comes out and calls a name. No response, they were tired of waiting and have left the room, or consciousness, joining the others passed out in various spots around the room. The nurse has not had time to put names to faces, she doesn’t see any sense in waking people to identify them. She crosses the name from the list and calls the next name and the process repeats. The third name called has a person connected to it. She follows the nurse beyond the doors to wait in another room.
A woman comes in with her infant child to stand in front of the unoccupied nurses’ booth. She is worried. As she is bringing in her infant child a father is escorting his drunken man child to the washroom where he is left for a time. The man tells the nurse that his son is too drunk and rowdy to receive care for the massive laceration in his arm. He explains that it is in everyones best interest if he just takes his son and seeks treatment later. But he has deluded himself into believing that had he stayed treatment would come. No. This father would be taking care of his son’s injury had he stayed or not. Attention is now paid to the woman and her child. The nurse likes infants more than drunks and man-children.
6AM. The door to the treatment hallway opens and I catch a glimpse of the three occupied stretchers in the hall. Help is not coming. The newly triaged infant is now expressing how all of us in the room feel. Her mother is rocking her and humming a tune I recognize from my days when I was as helpless as I felt now. It was time to get some answers. My wife stands in front of the empty nurses’ station. It is shift change. She will be waiting.
630AM. A new nurse digs through the patient files to find my wife’s on the bottom. She tells her that the results of the test don’t show anything to indicate the worst. With the information that my wife is safe to transport we indulge in our own delusion that going to a larger city will make a difference. That somehow this town is the anomaly and it is here where the doctor shortage is. When we are told that it will be four hours minimum before we will see a doctor. I leave to collect our things and get the car while my wife waits in-case a doctor appears to treat her.
7AM. My wife is sitting on the chair she has hovered around for hours. All of the same faces are in the room. In an attempt to expedite our service at the care facility we are heading to we ask the nurse for our test results. We are told that the results are the property of the hospital and we are not entitled to them. No, if we left we would be starting over. New fluids would have to be collected, new tests run, new results coveted. We get into the car and begin our travel because the care we were told about all our lives must reside at the next hospital.
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October 30th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I live at the opposite end of the continent, and this is the quality I have come to expect from hospitals, in part, due to the socialized practices we already have.
Many of us have never come to depend on these people during an emergency, or we have horror stories from everyone who’s ever used one of these places.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Crap. For every ONE such incident like this there are thousands that are totally POSITIVE.
Interesting though – perhaps I missed it but WHAT CITY AND PROVINCE DID THIS ALLEGIDLY OCCUR ?!
HMMMMMMMMMMM ?!
4w578i Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
It’s not just one incident, but I was mostly referring to the grungy, DMV-like atmosphere, present in all of our socialized institutions.
I’m in a border state, and, based on your mannerisms, am wondering whether you’ve been treated near me. Perhaps, you’re one of our nurses or doctors?
remnantofgod.org Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 6:23 pm
its always like that,this system is pure shit
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Since when????!!!
blah blah Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
since always. I live in Vancouver, BC. Anytime I have ever gone to the emergency room I’ve never waited for less than 4 hours. I’ve never had life threatening injuries, but still. What happens is people decide not to go to the emergency because they don’t want to wait. So they either let their gaping wounds heal and leave massive scars (rather than getting stitches), or they convince themselves nothing is wrong and suffer the dire consequences.
And none of it’s free. I pay MSP every three months. I don’t know what the argument is here. Keep the system as is for people who have no money, and have a number of private insurance opportunities for those with money. At least the line at the emergency room will not have rich people in them, meaning the line will be X amount smaller.
BobFortuna Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
http://blogs.suntimes.com/eber.....tract.html
Best thing I’ve read on this topic.
Jefferson Still Lives Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 am
Try any hospital in The Netherlands.
Yes, top rate hospitals abound. Great heart surgeons. Top notch.
That’s the PR part of the work. It’s real. It’s 10% of all hospital
work. The 90% is in daily care and minor work. That’s 75%
of the costs. And boy have they cut the costs..
Even for heart transplantees like my mother.
Forget about cleanliness either.
Truth Seeker Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
This is partly true when dealing with hospitals…The wait can be ridiculous. However there is no mention as to when help really is provided. For example if someone needs a certain type of surgery, no questions asked they get that surgery free of charge. So yes its right to complain about the services of under employed hospitals but you need to balance the pros and cons of a system like this. Yes you need to wait 6 hrs for a doctor to give you painkillers and send you home for feeling pain but when you need that tumour or cancer removed your not paying any portion of that expense. People need to stop relying solely on the “system” and take some responsiblity for themself. I was sliced above my eye and should have gone to the hospital for stitches (and painkillers, ugh!) but i opted not to, knowing how the hospital operates. Instead i treated it with rubbing alcohol and took care of myself. Today there is a scar (pretty cool one i might add) but im not sitting here writing emails to infowars about waiting in a hospital. EVERYONE knows this is the case so only use this service in life/death situations. Apparently home remedies dont exist anymore. Like I said, the doctor is just going to give you painkillers which in the end is worse for you as it masks the pain, not cure it!
Toni Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 8:59 pm
I couldnt agree more, yes the wait sucks (sometimes), no the cost doesnt suck.
I treat myself at home aswell and only go to the hospital for things deemed “very imporant”.
I would have done the same in your situation, unfortunately we are two of few.
kw Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
So, if you’re paying taxes to a socialized health care system and you self-administer to your ills instead of receiving professional health assistance, do you receive a refund from the government for your efforts?
Jefferson Still Lives Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 am
The bad thing is, the incentive is negative.
You have already paid for the system.
Premiums and hidden taxes.
If only you /had/ been left to decide for yourself,
costs would have been down already.
Most people can pay for doctor visits, you
only need to insure for the major costs, that
almost none of us can bear. Just like your house
burning down. It doesnt happen often, but when
it hits you…. Like heartsurgery.
Socialized anything, removes good incentives and
promises everything. Well, most things are
scarce, which compels people to prioritze and
economize. Governments can’t do that for
everybody.
The Bottom of This Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
4w578i, hi; Do you remember when it all began? Were Government Ministers and Health Officials telling you things would get better and health care be cheaper? Was there an “opt-out” clause? Was there a public option? I’ll put my money down 20 to 1 that there were. You in?
4w578i Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I’m in the southern US, we put up with the same things already, and we have yet to be offered the public option.
S Pasco Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
As someone who lives with Crohn’s Disease I never know if an attack is just another horribly painful few days, or something life-threatening. As America is trying to convert to this system, it frightens me deeply. I don’t run to hospital. I wait as many days as possible, but the thought of sitting for 8+ hrs beofre even being seen every time I have to go is unsettling & dangerous.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
This story is true. Last week it took 6 hrs. to get an x-ray to see if my daughters foot was broken. She was given a tensor bandage and a set of crutches.
The next day it took 4 hrs. to get the x-ray results and a doctors note.
williamwallace Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Sounds like someone is in need of a n underground doc A blackmarket know it all. of course I think if the system is that fucken broken at least supliment hospitals in 2 different classes wounds and internal injuries. Its like that here in NJ go to a hospital waiting room and expect a 4 hour stay unlill you are on your way home . The time could be cut in a quarter of the time except insurance companys couldnt get raped like the way they do in 1 hour visits for 10 thousand dollars for an x ray or basic tests.
god Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 1:16 am
stop whining.you think your the only one needs to see doctor?
Desma Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 10:34 am
When I was 12 years old, my family had immigrated to Australia, the Brisbane region. My bad stomache pain was caused by appendicitus. My father did not care about his wages more than me to leave work and drive me to the hospitial so I had to wait for an ambulance that took around 5 hours to get there in which my appendicitus could have burst. When they did rush me in for an operation, they made a mistake in making the first incision in the wrong place! When I woke up, I wondered why I had to separate scars! Nevertheless, I grew up always thinking that I was not worth time or trouble and was used to being treated unimportant and it took way into my adult life to realize that I was worth something.
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
This sort of think happens in the almighty US of A as well.
MsCharlyCorday Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:15 am
Desma: “My father did not care about his wages more than me to leave work and drive me to the hospitial.” I suspect that it was incidents like that with your family, multiplied many times over, that had more to do with your poor self-esteem than the socialized medical system.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
SECOND!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
THIRD!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
FOURTH!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
FIFTH!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
YAY Im Third!!!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
That’s about the height of it.
mark Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
no… no, thats about the normal of it… ive sat at a non-busy walkin clinic to get stitches out for 2 hours, before i left, and did it myself before… dollar store pair of nail clippers and tweasers, and 2 minutes work…
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
No, it isn’t – you yanks have got to get big business out of healthcare AND stop dumping on healthcare systems that work. Profit cannot be the issue.
Beria Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 2:50 am
“No, it isn’t – you yanks have got to get big business out of healthcare AND stop dumping on healthcare systems that work. Profit cannot be the issue.”
Thank you Comrade. Your communistic total denial of reality has earned you the order of Lenin.
AndyA Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 5:04 am
They need to get back to dedicated Doctors that are willing to do house calls.
Back to the basics
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
For a price, right Yankee. Ya gotta make that profit-if you do not have money, than screw you, loser !
October 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Wow!!! Thanks for sharing. Sounds a hellofa lot different than what Michael Moore says gov’t healthcare would be like. Sounds like the DMV!!
coco Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Michael Moore is an idiot. An OBESE idiot.
nhluck Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
YEA I HOPE HE HAS TO WAIT 4 HOURS INLINE BECAUSE HES HAVING A HEART ATTACK.
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
He will, in the USA. Especially if he does not bring a fat wallet filled with federal reserve notes.
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I heard you won’t be able to buy medical services even if you have money to pay for it, thats what fox said about old people wanting to buy a hip replacement and other operations they intend to close off all options it seems.
DD Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 7:07 am
I am hoping that this won’t happen in the USA.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Bloody Typical. You attack him ’cause of his weight-not his beliefs. Typical.
MM was right, and you people must stop being such stubborn, shallow and arrogant know-it-alls!
MM is an idiot—wow how intillectual.
Attick Attack Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 2:51 am
No we attack him because he is a liar, like you.
Neptune Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:11 am
Sure Michael Moore is an idiot. How judgmental of you just because you disagree with him!
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
No he is not a liar, you are to filled with pride to see the sad truth you people live with.
kw Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
Car Ant, your station in life is your obeiance to nobility and Royalty. So, have a bow for the Queen now and all will be better for SHE will take care of all your ills.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Yes, the Michael Moore film with respect to Kanukistan definately had to have been staged. I know nobody that has ever had to use the Kanukistan health denial service that has been happy with it like in the video…disgust is the usual response. Every year they grow the list of procedures that are not covered under the national health denial insurance. This article hits it right on the head. Moore’s film was just pure propaganda.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
This is what we can expect with GOVERNMENT run healthcare. Rationed care. Nice.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:18 am
There is no end to the misinformation hysteria you people generate. “death panels” (BS) rationed care (BS) dictatorial ‘government doctors’ (BS). Than again, who knows what can happen with a big business controlled government that has thoroughly infiltrated Washington-profit is not, cannot be the cure. You have to clean out the conflict of interest.
Steven Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
And who are you to make such judgements upon others situations? Where were you when this happened? What are you doing to make things better for others? Or are you just out for yourself? Maybe so, or not? Get off of your soap box, we need to do laundry.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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October 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
OK… I just wrote a comment that was counter to the opinion of the article and it has been removed.
There was nothing in my comments that would have violates Alex’s pseudo-censorship rules.
So I ask… Where did my comments go and why?
Dan Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I’m with you Atom C I wrote a long reply outlining the reasons for our lack of doctors and cost of US health and it wasn’t posted… WTF infowars are you really doing what you say google and yahoo do by censoring a thoughtful reply to the article???
4w578i Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
That happens to me, too, and I don’t break any of the rules, as stated.
Neptune Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:13 am
I have often asked myself that question when I had no cursing or threats in my comments. It simply disagreed with what was being said. Not entitled to my opinion I guess.
stanley Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am
That happens to me as well with the website polls. I vote and either an error comes up or a result is shown for a completely different poll. Makes me wonder who’s really pulling the strings.
Admiral Stockdale Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Who am I and why am I here?
October 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I just posted a reply and its not showing up here??? WTF
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I will tell you-the other side is loosing face-they know that profit first medicine sucks bad, and they do not like that fact one bit.
Sadly-Ron Paul supports for-profit HC !!!
October 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Yep, this is what we can expect in the U.S. should Obamacare becomes a reality. Anyone familiar with the VA healthcare system knows what the rest of the U.S. will soon come to expect as normal “care”, rather, noncare. I’ve been waiting three years for an initial consulting appointment for deteriorating discs in my lower spine. Deteriorating eyesight, caused by diabetes, caused by steroids, prescribed due to a kidney transplant, caused by kidney failure due to disease and injury in Iraq………sigh. No new glasses this year. Wait until next year. Why? Because the prescription for my right lens is still effective. The left needs updated, but it’s okay, as the doctor told me, if I look at something and it is too blurry, just close my left eye and let my right eye do all the seeing.
Meanwhile, walking past a group of people while carrying a jar of my own piss really doesn’t bother me at all. We all piss. It’s not like it’s some sort of secret we must keep from others.
Neptune Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:15 am
It’s a little degrading but doable. Usually that is done discreetly, the urine sample that is. That’s the way it should be, it’s called patient dignity.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Welcome to Hellthcare.
If you’re on medicaid, get-off it now, (Medicad users will be AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFERRED to-it).
(Again)
[DON'T TAKE THE MARK]
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I used to be on medicaid I loved it best health care ever, we got all the medical services all free no copay for dr appointments or perscriptions. this stuff coming in now is gonna be from hell no services but pay through the nose, anyone who takes up for this system is braindead.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Post removed! I quit.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Hey Brad….
My father had a waking stroke…. lost vision in his right eye…. they admitted him within 30 minutes of being there…. And this is in Montreal, Quebec. (where I live)
Now I had pancreatitis, was sent up to the hospital by ambulance…. was in the waiting room on a stretcher…. was there for 2 hours… but meanwhile I was seen, a tube placed in my vein because of the Demerol they were feeding me. In another 45 min. …. one of the admitting nurses came to see me, asked me if I had insurance… because it’s mandatory to have it if you’re working for any company here, so since I had it, I was sent up to a private room right away. And my ambulance ride was reimbursed to me 100%.
Cost me nothing for the whole ordeal… except for the $60 per month I pay out. And, I get some of that back in taxes at the end of the year.
i don’t know what province you’re in… Perhaps the hospital you were in was pretty poor in performance when it came to treating your wife… and that’s unfortunate… but it ain’t that bad here.
draven Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
taking an ambulance for an emergency is the way to go. They take patients from ambulances as top priority.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Exactly !!!
If you drive in to emerg. = waiting room! ( when it is appropriate )
Serious emerg = immediate care.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Insurance ???
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I hear a lot of bad experiences coming out of Quebec – what is going on there? Don’t they have any oversight?
October 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
OK great I just posted my missing post as points….. and it showed for a minute then when i refreshed it disappeared.
Alex, please either get this fixed, admonish your moderator, or admit you are censoring comments based on the opinion you want pushed on your site.
draven Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
i agree
Bob Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Yeh, me too….WTF Alex? It makes me wonder…..
M Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
This happens to me all the time too but usually only when I have a valid point. I can type any old crap and it will post no problem.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
This has happened to me as well. How about some free speech bud.
Jive Mothafacko Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 8:44 am
You guys are hysterical. Your lack of patience always results in this ‘My posts are getting censored’ bullshit. Whatever…I notice there is always a few ‘Pete and Re-peats’ in the comments chiming in how their comments didn’t go up every time someone says something about it. Whaaaah! Go start a blog and then anything you want will go up. Fucking idiots…
WAGON! WAGON!
DEAD BODIES DRAGGIN’!
MCL
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am
If they were YOUR posts — than the rules would start changeing. It would be you saying that it is not fair/its wrong——–whaaaaaaa! But when it is the other guy….its OK ! It is interesting to see how fast Americans get tired of espousing the virtues of their Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sad actually. The rules of free speech/thought/expression get lost when ‘IT’ isn’t part of ‘MY’ views.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Wow ,no shit censorship is the new flavor?
Two texts got erased.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
More than two bud
October 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
this guy is an idiot that wrote this article. his wife had cramps big deal. emergency rooms are for emergencies traumas and life threatening illness like asthma. they are not meant to be a drop off place for drunks and black eyes and menstral cramps. there are at least 5 walk in clinics in my immeadiate area. The triage nurses take temperature and blood pressure. the higher the bp the more pain there is. obviously if his wife was dying they would have gotten her in first. So i say boohoo ya big baby at least you didn’t have to hand out a wad of cash or proff of insurance to be put on the waiting list.Shoulda gone to a walk in clinic where the longest wait is an hour at worst.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
He isnt just an idiot-I suspect he is a LIAR !
martina Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pm
i have had a bp 175 over 125 when i got to the hospital and waited for 5 hours and im a young person. my doctor called down to get a bed waiting for me and called an ambulance when he couldnt find my pulse or blood pressure. his secretary said she could get me there faster so i went with her. when i got there i gave them the papers he gave me to give them and they misplaced them. i ended up going home.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Most such situations aren’t like this.
martina Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 6:37 pm
i also wait hours to see my family doctor and longer in walk in clinics. i dont know where you are but thats the standard everywhere. unless you go at specific times of days. those are short and few between!
October 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Since my comments that express no opinion and have no points of fact, other than griping about my other comments being ereased, are showing up I can only conclude that the moderator has been instructed to eliminate dissenting voices.
So I will refrain from posting and instead just start my own site for truth speakers who do now want to be censored.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Lots of erasures-!
October 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Eugenics at the emergency room. In Belgium if you need a cancer-detection exam they book you three months later. Three months later the cancer has grown and spread and you are more likely to die, or to buy their medications for years. Either the eugenecists win, or big pharma wins. In both cases, you lose.
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
You people are so fuckin’ gullible…
When people don’t want to be saddled with a particular chore they will, sometimes, fuck it up so that they won’t be asked to do it again. Governments do the same thing…if government doesn’t want to do healthcare then they will deliberately make a huge mess of it and then say “See? We don’t know how to do healthcare very well…corporations would do a much better job!”
You knuckleheads will fall for anything!
Quirt Evans Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Word, horse hose. The second most western province is displaying that very behavior, and obviously for the very same reason you mentioned.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Sounds a lot better than being dumped in some trash-can by an ambulance because you don’t have insurance ..
Greg Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
FYI.
Part of our taxes pay into our medicare coverage, so in one way, in a year, you may not need to use medical services. But our Medicare card is like a credit card.
X-rays free.
exams free
follow-ups free.
MRI-Free
break your arm, need a cast— cast is free.
If you’re on social assistance, then you get EVERYTHING free….
Free Dental, eyecare, everything.
Tax payers still pay for it however.
Then again… like Brad, you gotta wait…. a broken arm isn’t like an internal injury.
We have a two-tier system, that many don’t want…
Some agree, some don’t.
But it’s gotta be improved.
Neil Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I agree. Improvement is necessary.
carol wilkins Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Improvement is needed! But i don’t know where you got your info from. In the state that I live in you don’t get a free ride at the docs or the hospital unless you’re a person under 18. I’m talking about the people on Medicaid-social assistance and lets not even get started on Medicare. We’ve all payed to have that when the time comes and do you realize how much they’ve cut that and how much reciepents pay to supplement something they paid for all their life. Trust me I know I was on Medicaid before and I’m not elegible for Medicare yet so what do I do now? MY TWO JOBS!!!! don’t offer health insurance. Suck it up as always and those of you who haven’t been yet get ready for it because it’s better than the broken system we have now
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Your system is better than ours – but both we admit need improvement.
How do you like the anti-Medicare mentality !!!
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
YEP, a lot of people miss that point.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
My post was removed by a Communist.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
My messages were removed by a pathological Republican.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
I’m in Ontario. You should move closer to a major city. Great service here !! (or don’t get sick)
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I am from Ontario too-A lot of BS anti OHIP / Medicare comments—-ammusing aren’t they!
October 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
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October 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Holy shit… they rip those posts off quick. Like others on here, if you don’t agree with the author you’re post is gone. I was getting into some…not all…of the stuff Alex is preaching but I’m out now. Between this censorship bullshit and the 50 ads along the right to get gun training and grow my own fuckin herbal meds. This is another fear mongerer out for profit.
TrutherD Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Hypocrite – you got tired of free speech pretty fast when things don’t go your way.
Where is your Constitutional-rights talk now-bud.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
No… Alex is THE fear mongerer out for profit
October 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
No… Alex is THE fear mongerer out for profit
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BobFortuna Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I think so too. Even though I’m not Superstitious or a Republican I always thought Alex believed what he was saying and meant well. If you waded through the nonsense occasionally you would find something interesting.
It’s impossible to reconcile Alex position on this with that Belief any longer. It took half an hour of qualifiers tro defend Alex before this. Now I wont bother.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
No… Alex is THE fear mongerer out for profit
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October 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
# Atom C Says:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
No… Alex is THE fear mongerer out for profit
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October 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
There…. one of those posts should have gotten thru
October 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Atom C: Yes, Alex is a profiteering monster. That’s why he encourages you to pirate his movies if you can’t afford them. Not only pirate, but mass produce, distribute, and upload to free video hosting services.
You don’t have to agree with everything he says, he’s still useful. I don’t show Endgame to people, but I sure as heck show them Terrorstorm.
As for the comment system: more likely it’s broken web code than malice. The comment rules say no double posts, maybe the database is duplicating some entries, or people are doublelicking on the Submit Comment button, like retards…?
We’ll see if my little pro-OHIP rant makes it…
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Mine didn’t !!!!!!!
The moderator is a goddamn BOLSHEVIK !!!
COMMUNIST !!!
October 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
You guys are getting your posts deleted because you are using the word “C-A-N-A-D-A”. You need to say “Kanukistan” instead.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Should we refer to the USA as the United States of Mexico, senior.
How about teehas instead of Texas.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
My post was removed by a Communist !!!
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
car ant every other post on here is from you they should delete all of them
October 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
You can wait 2 to 12 hrs for free healcare or deny yourself or lets say a quater of the country.
roaddog6 Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
herd members will die waiting for healthcare.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
that sounds like scary shit. i do not want healthcare from the gvt. hell, i dont want ANYTHING from the gvt.
Car Ant Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
It did not happen – open your eyes – No reason to keep the city SECRET !
Dont be so gullible
October 30th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
It is truly AMAZING to see that PRIDE is a motivator for anti “medicare” posts. “Kanuckistan”, guys gimme a freakin’ break.
Use constructive criticism with your situation in the US, not sour grapes. It is childish !
All things considered, the US is ruled by big business-BB controls your politicians in Washington in the extreme, and your American pride blinds you to this reality.
October 30th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
HHHMMM – my post was removed……….COMMIE !!!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
not to mention that health care does not reside in a hospital but in what you eat, drink, and do every day.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
I don’t smoke, don’t drink, and don’t do drugs , legal or illegal . My wife is SMOK’IN HOT and I never get sick!
October 30th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Where’s your proof your posts where removed or am I to take your work for it like I’m to take the word of the guy who wrote this story? hmmmm.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
FREE HELL-CARE, BUT WILL YOU BE FREE???
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I am, so —— YES !
October 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
MARKED BY THE BEAST FOR FREE TOO???
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
???!
October 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
My last Doctor was an overpaid glorified pill pusher in cahoots with the big pharma corporations and only cared about the almighty dollar and didn’t care one ounce of prevention about my human medical issues. So much for trusting this professional as my own research on the internet has yielded better cures and results since I stopped seeing this quack witch doctor.
DestryRidesAgain Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
The only talent western medical practitioners have is to cut patients open, then perhaps remove a diseased organ or implant something, then sew the patient back up. Oh, and they’re also good at resetting bones and hip transplants. For anything else a person hands the bastards his life at their mercy. If you have a bug, go see a naturopath or homeopathic practitioner because they actually are trained in disease cures and prevention, unlike physicians and surgeons. When will the latter’s considerable talents be added to conventional health care coverage?
October 30th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I think they forgot the disclaimer here like they did for the Sheen interview.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I HAVE ALMOST HALF MY PAYCHECK TAKEN EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR “INSURANCE” AND STILL DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF SCENARIO.
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
A lot of the big-mouthes should read your post.
October 31st, 2009 at 1:08 am
So you waited three hours to see a nurse? Big deal… Try six hours in the waiting room and nothing… That’s right here in the good old USA… I was there for six hours and everyone else didn’t get in to see a doctor either… There were ten people all waiting six hours… I just left in disgust…
On the other hand I went one time to the emergency room and saw a doctor… (in the US)… Got the bill and it was $8500.00… They did little or nothing but an IV, cat scan and a blood test… You would think I came in with a severed head…
BTW… In Japan a cat scan is only $150.00… Mine was $2700.00… For that kind of money I’ll build my own cat scan…
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I admire your honesty, sir.
October 31st, 2009 at 1:44 am
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October 31st, 2009 at 1:49 am
Because of the time of the attack (early morning), the pain, and lack of anything showing in the urine and blood test, I would guess she had a gallstone attack, resulting in her needing to get her gallbladder removed. I wonder if I am right.
October 31st, 2009 at 2:41 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
October 31st, 2009 at 4:36 am
is this really any different than US emergency care? I mean we have a higher ratio of illegal immigrants to your one bum. And we pay a premium for emergency care, whether warranted or not…presumably to disincentive unnecessary visits. there will never be a good system either way…
Mark Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 5:42 am
Yes it is different.
Case #1 My wife who has bad asthma went to a Pittsburgh suburn hospital and was seen within 10 minutes of her arrival.
Case #2 Mother in law when she first went on Medicare had a $1200 deductible. She was hospitalized four times over the next two years. The hospital system will wait until rapture and they will never see ful payment seeing as how the $1200 for each incident is more than she has to live on from her pension. Yet they never refused treatment and it has never effected her care.
Those in the U.S. that says they have a problem finding adequate care are liars.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:32 am
They may not be-the US is a big place. There are far too many incidents where when profit is clearly in the equation of helthcare, people suffer. They can’t ALL be lying.
Mark Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 am
If fact they are. That and gov’t loving sycophants such as those at FreeSpeechTV don’t want to know the truth because if flies in the face of their gov’t programs good/freedom bad paradigms.
Car Ant Reply:
November 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Obviously they are not ALL lying. Your case one and two examples are very sweet, ’cause they involve MEDICARE (#2) which is government run, thanks to LBJ. Your #1 example apparently involves $payment/insurance$, correct. I hope you have a money tree when you reach your “cap”. Don’t loose your job !
My concern for your healthcare/obamacare is that Washington and the conflict-of-interest politicians that ‘run’ it will @#$% the whole thing up.
October 31st, 2009 at 8:10 am
That’s a rough story. I guess I’ve been lucky. Anytime I’ve used the emergency room the wait time was well under a hour. I live in Ontario by the way. When I was in Kitchner I drove my roomate to the emergency. He had to wait about 2 hours. It turned out nothing was terribly wrong with himself. The morale of the story, show up with actual injuries and you’ll get prompt service.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Exactly.
October 31st, 2009 at 9:41 am
anecdotal evidence = disqualification
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:35 am
Unless you are AMERICAN ! — than the rules start changeing.
then…. anecdotal evidence = acceptance !
thats fair-right?
October 31st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Why do my comments not show up?
Lost Patriot Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 5:07 am
My comments don’t show up either. Really it’s simple. Alex Jones is paid good money by the insurance industry for space on his web sight and he has blocked all rational statments for this money to protect the people who paid for the space. Ultimately money is all hat motivates Jones. The insurance industry spends about one million per day in its propaganda program and it has thrown a little of this money Jone’s way. Jones would protect statin if he could make a penny from it. He blocks my information about how many Zionists hold key positions in the National Security Agency, Federal Reserve, Pentagon and other agencies too. Money talks!! Money is why Jones is here.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 11:36 am
cause you are not glorifying the American for – profit Health “System”.
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
if your post aren’t showing up why are we reading them and why do you keep posting?
Lost Patriot Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
You are reading them because I’m not saying anything positive about single payer, or the truth about the insurance industry. If I say either my posts will not be printed. I’ve written many and all were rejected.
Lost Patriot Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 5:10 am
I think if you offer to pay Jones a good amount of money he’ll allow you comments to be printed. That is what he is all about.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am
Alex’s wife is a Jew. Fact.
hohohohahaha Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
Brock: SO what? What do you have against other human beings who were born different than you? I don’t like many races because they are behaving contrary to my taste, but I don’t hate them. A Jew can be anything, European, Asian, Middle Easterner, Russian, and so on, and they are not all similar in anything. So, Alex’s wife is a Jew, I love her more now.
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Ditto.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am
My comments in this thread were non-inflammatory, just adding to the discussion. Yet they were never posted.
If they keep getting deleted, I will cancel my PrisonPlanet.tv subscription. This is BS, and no way to run a business.
Car Ant Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I thin AJ should give us all an apology.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am
I actually don’t care that Alex Jone’s wife is a Jew. It was just a test. My comments weren’t showing up. I do believe Mosad had much to do with the events of sept 11/01.
October 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am
Mossad or any other so called Intelligence Service are not intelligent at all. All so called Intelligence Services are a bunch of crooks and criminals, and that apply to all of them world wide.!
October 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am
hahaha I think that Alex Jones only deletes intelligent comments. Interesting. Then he allows you to post something stupid, like the fact that his wife is a Jew. Disinfo agent much?
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
white american citizens are the people to hate now, there the ones who will get there butt kicked now, it really sucks to be an american now,
October 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
“Secret English court seizes billions in assets from the mentally impaired”
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com.....ts-of.html
October 31st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
The so called health care system in the US is nothing but a bad joke. Would you pay your mechanic thousands of dollars to fix your brakes, if he said “sorry, I can’t find the problem, but use this pillow on your bumper when you can’t stop. ” All they are taught in med school is what pill to use for which symptom. They don’t want you healthy and they want you to keep coming back. They get you hooked on anything they can. They get you hooked on antidepressants to keep you docile, hook you on pain meds to keep you their slave. And yet we the people treat them as GODS. The way to reduce health care costs is to stop playing their game. We all need to educate ourselves. Don’t go to the doctor every time you have a pain or sore throat. Read up on natural remedies. Take a closer look at the vaccines you have been giving your kids. Autism is really a part of the new world order. And their meds vaccines, pills, gmo food, etc., have all contributed to the mess. Wake up. We are in this together and all of you who keep trying to be “best”, “first”, etc., are not getting the big picture. When the shit hits the fan, we will all be screwed, white, black, jew or athiest. God will not help us. He is another of their false promises. Revelations is not prophecy, it is their play book. Everything written is being brought about by men. God has nothing to do with any of the things that are happening here. All of you sitting there thinking the Rapture will take you away from the turmoil and hell on earth are in for a rude awakening. We will only make it if we stand united against the tyrants and fight for ourselves.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Wow !!!
who said that Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
we had a good health care system and it could still be , they deliberatley wrecked it so they could have an excuse to bring in hellcare.
October 31st, 2009 at 3:25 pm
here’s my horror story of dealing with the american health care system:
i got sick. i couldn’t afford health insurance, so i was not able to receive care. any care. at all. i don’t have a doctor, because i’ve never been able to afford one.
i didn’t have the option to receive treatment, because my country doesn’t have a public option for health care, and i can’t afford private insurance. as a result, i went to my local cvs pharmacy and bought some over-the-counter medication, completely out of my own pockets, which only partially helped my illness. i was then bed ridden for weeks, unable to work, and as a result, unable to generate any income.
since i wasn’t able to work, i wasn’t able to pay my rent on time. the resulting stress prolonged my illness even longer than before. i was having trouble affording good, wholesome food… so i had no other choice than to live off of fast food during my illness. this prolonged the sickness even more.
i eventually recovered, but had to work overtime for the following month just to recover the economic losses during my bout with illness. due to the extra work, my immune system was weakened and i contracted the h1n1 virus. i am now bed ridden, once again, and unable to work. hopefully i can recover from this round of sickness, so i can go back to work and start the process all over again.
eegie Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pm
This is all part of rationed “sick care”. If a person is sick enough at death’s door and dies-Oh well. Rationed sick is a numbers game for eugenicists.Let’s see just how many people will die if not attended to in a timely fashion.
MASSA Grabber Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Its a good thing you don’t have a mother in law!
They say it can bring on nausea and diarrhea with a profound case of depression.
You seem very tough psychologically. Good luck
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Thank you for your story, and honesty.
Gabe Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Directed_to_those_who_r_enslaved_by_the_corporate_elite. _And_this_is_freed0m?_ As_0pp0sed_to_someone_wh0_wakes_up_everyday_kn0wing_that_whatever_the_day_brings_he_and_his_family_will_be_taken_care_of_regardless_0f_his_current_ec0n0mic_status. _He_also_knows_that_his_and_his_familie’s_health_situation_will_n0t_destr0y_him_financially._ For_this_w0rry_to_N0T_exist_in_his_life_is_what_you_call_Gov’t_0ppression.
Gabe Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Directed_ to_those_ who_r_enslaved_ by_the_corporate_ elite. _And_this_is_ freed0m?_ As_0pp0sed_to_someone_wh0_wakes_up_everyday_kn0wing_that_whatever_the_day_brings_he _and_his_ family_will_be_taken_care_ of_regardless_0f_his_current_ ec0n0mic_status. _He_also_ knows_that_his_and_his_familie’s_health_situation_will_n0t_destr0y_him_financially._ For_this_w0rry_to_N0T_exist_in_his_life_is_what_you_call_Gov’t_0ppression .
Gabe Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Directed_ to_those_ who_r_enslaved_ by_the_corporate_ elite. _And_this_is_ freed0m?_ As_0pp0sed_to_someone_wh0_wakes_up_everyday_kn0wing_that_whatever_the_day_ brings_he _and_his_ family_will_be_taken_care_ of_regardless_0f_his_current_ ec0n0mic_status. _He_also_ knows_that_his_and_his_familie’s_health_situation_will_n0t_destr0y_him_financially._ For_this_w0rry_to_N0T_exist_in_his_life_is_what_you_call_Gov’t_0ppression .
Gabe Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Directed_ to_those_ who_r_enslaved_ by_the_corporate_ elite. _And_this_is_ freed0m?_ As_0pp0sed_to_someone_wh0_wakes_up_everyday_kn0wing_that_whatever_the_day_brings_he _and_his_ family_will_be_taken_care_ of_regardless_0f_his_current_ ec0n0mic_status. _He_also_ knows_that_his_and_his_familie’s_health_situation_will_n0t_destr0y_him_financially._ For_this_w0rry_to_N0T_exist_in_his_life_is_what_you _call_Gov’t_0ppression .
Gabe Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Hopefully one of those stick.
October 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
product placement or the future …?? http://babel-research.eu/witb/stream/
October 31st, 2009 at 8:43 pm
how is this differnce from the average americans trip to the ER? Waiting for hours with crappy service oh wait i know i know!!!!! you dont get your house taken away or a 50,000 bill
October 31st, 2009 at 9:42 pm
last year i toke a dive of the staires 10 feet down, brook my hip the wife came down called 112 Netherlands 10 minutes later an ambulance came and 20 minutes later i had xray taken and 3 hours later the hip was fixed by an operation 2 days later back home recuperating and 3 weeks later back to work and i had to pay nothing plus my wages kept coming.
All becouse sicialized medicare and socialized sickpay of the Netherland.
We are just ordinaire folks but we take care of one and other someting you cant say about the people in the US PEOPLE OF THE US OF A YOU ARE BEEING FUCKED WITH the treatment i had was stadaart noting special.
Bat stuf that socialized stuf acording to the antis
October 31st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I used to think it was just the U.S. government that was fascist, but I am seeing more and more that many of the people in U.S. are just as fascist as their government. This is why they can sit by and not care while 47000 people die each year for lack of any health care.
US Americans are sinking to new lows in morality. All the while their corrupted politicians, whom the people keep voting into office over and over and over again, have the best healthcare compliments of the taxpayers. This all fits when you think how the American people can sit by and say or do nothing while their government (which they are complicit in) slaughters innocent children all over the world and in particular Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Pakistan.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
True – I would go on to say that anyone like yourself, being honest and the like – is demonized.
People are also gifted at missing the point as well.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Deleted post? only 3 or 4 or more.
Alex’s candy azz pink gestopo
October 31st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
what a B.S article pure and simple, no provience, no city, each provence have thier on problems with our leaders trying to send us down privatization up here too. They close down small hospitals and make mega hospital then they politican then say well we need clinics, so maybe they can be private, so this guy could walk into a private clinic and pay the big bucks if he so wanted to, 90% of people jaming thier docs, and waiting rooms are people that are addicted to pain killers and compling, that need to get active, not sit in waitig room with colds to effect everyone else
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
You are positively correct !!!
November 1st, 2009 at 3:27 am
U.S. care still sucks also and will get worse. In Europe, your company pays you if you have a real illness so that you are unable to work. I have been unable to work for a month now and had to pay large sums of money for my surgery and treatment. Now I am nearly bankrupt, and my company won’t pay me for time off work. I have applied for short-term disability with the state of California, but it remains to be seen how much they will help me and what size check I will get (if any). Days like this make me feel like apologizing that my ancestors ever left Europe for the U.S. in the first place.
November 1st, 2009 at 5:09 am
I wonder if I pay Jones to put my comments on his web sight if he will allow them to be printed. So how much money does it take Jones, before you will pritnt my comments?????
November 1st, 2009 at 10:32 am
Secret English court seizes billions in assets from the mentally impaired
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com.....ts-of.html
November 1st, 2009 at 11:28 am
It’s crunch-time for universal heathcare in the U.S., 1/6 of our economy, and the entrenched moneyed interests are pulling out all the stops to maintain the status quo.
Car Ant Reply:
November 1st, 2009 at 2:59 pm
That is very well and clearly put. Their is a “conflict of interest” – BIG business+politicians.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 am
Northern VA here.
This is the norm from what I have seen in the ER. Being there for 4 or 5 hours isn’t unusual. The good thing about it is this – if you’re a 2 on the 1-10 scale of pain and you hike it up to an 8 – you get some damn good intravenous drugs that ALMOST make up for the wait.
Just saying …
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
as we speak my mother is rolling into surgery at st. Josephs hospital in Hamilton. Cancer metasticized (sp?) to her liver. It was discovered a week ago. Our families experience throughout has been nothing but positive. Wait times have been minimal when it was for time sensitive treatment. I know some people who have had terrible experiences in hospitals and many who haven’t. Point is I would never trade universal healthcare. I’d rather pay a tax so everyone in my country could have access. Its the only tax I pay gladly. That said the problem isnt it being universal. The problem is bloated government and there porkbarrel spending.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
4 attempts at posting, will they delete them all???
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November 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Yes they have.
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November 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Tried a 5th time and still deleted. I guess freedom of speech only goes one way.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Socialized medicine CAN work. It’s just that nobody goes about it the right way.