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Carbon traders deny sub-prime crisis brewing
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Rowena Mason
Telegraph
November 5, 2009
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Sarah-Jane Clifton, author of the report, said the growth of a secondary market in carbon trading involving “financial speculators and complex financial products, carries a risk that carbon trading will develop into a speculative commodity bubble”.
This could “provoke a global financial failure similar in scale and nature to that brought about by the recent sub-prime mortgage crisis”, she said.
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November 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
lets keep our comments on the topic please
Fraud-is-fraud Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
enough said.
THE WATCHER Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Carbon traders? F**k ‘em, I believe it’s a great day to burn tires.
Kevin Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
This idiot is putting us down and Alex jones in this news piece.
http://www.renewamerica.com/co.....son/091105
WakeUpToTheLies Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
First of all, it has to be LOUDLY SHOUTED that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
Secondly, one of the big arguments from people who have bought the lie is sea levels will rise. These people need to understand that despite the fact the earth is in a cooling cycle from lack of sunspots, even when it is warming, we’re not causing it through man-made carbon dioxide release.
Thirdly, the chemtrailing program they’re engaged in, IS having a warming effect. Why are they doing it? because they can’t say we’re warming the earth and have temperatures cool. Scientists are way ahead of the game on this one.
And finally, we have this argument that the western nations have raped and pillaged the 3rd world, somehow individuals and their dogs and cars are to blame. Now, if the UN was a REAL preserver of natural habitats, they’d have stopped multinationals decimating these areas. No. Instead they encourage it, so they can lay blame on developed nations, and tax real honest small to mid size businesses into the dust.
And oh… one last thing – the latest ploy of course is to make out that enlightened and spiritually aware people are getting on board the tax train. This is the beginning of the open shift towards Gaia worship – the religion the Un has espoused through the Club Of Rome documents and others.
WakeUpToTheLies Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Kevin, this idiot ‘journalist’ you refer to in your link isn’t worth worrying about. The republicans are going to come out with this rubbish more and more, as their chances of securing office look more likely. Since we are exposing (as Alex has dubbed it) the false left-right paradigm, a great many oldschool republicans are in the crosshairs. expect more disinfo and more tin-foil hat comments.
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:09 am
global warming haaa haa.. I guess it does warm up if you pump thousands of jigawatts into the atmosphere trying to create a hurricane. Fly one of them chem sprayers within range and I will be shooting at it.
Gandhi Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:59 am
If you want to see pi$$ed off people just try carbon taxing the CO2 in beer.
williamwallace Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
when beer goes to sport stadium levels then that is when the revolution starts.
bluetickrunner Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
naaa the sheep are to dumbed down to revolt, by the time beer goes to 40 bucks a 6 pack they will act and look like slugs on a tree watching badmitten matches and they will love it,, and if you say anything to them you might get a grunt or a fart if your l\ucky
groceriesforyourguns Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTMVWdL2R74 primer about gun control
Q Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I guess because they deny it …it must not be true…fuck those people…”highly regulated”? um…just like derivatives…anyways…here we go again
whitemale08 Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Of course that’s what this is.
That’s why it’s called the British Empire of Worthless Derivatives and Credit-Default Swaps.
It’s to expand the credit-default swaps market into LIFE itself!
That way the British can usher in their Empire of Neo-Fuedalism and Serfdom and have everyone bowing down and worshiping these clowns that call themselves ‘royal’ and ‘oligarchs’ as Pharoahs and God-Kings as human/animal cloned hybrids.
WELCOME TO THE NEW DARK AGE!
whitemale08 Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Call it sub-prime carbon!
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO EXTERMINATE THESE PARASITES???? WHEN????
GodGunsGutsGlory Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Hopefully soon.
I was watching the march on capital hill.
Ok, so when do we just march right in the capital and throw them bums out?
GodGunsGutsGlory Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
…rather than just stopping at the front lawn anyways.
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Soon as people stop being afraid to be blasted across the TV screen as a loonie.
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Your refusal to accept the depths of this conspiracy will be your demise.
Ignorance is the listed cause of death in this time-frame.
Ciao’.
carbon fraud Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I disagree about the bubble theory, in as much as I doubt it will “burst”.
Their plan is that the government will set the price of carbon. The Australian (for example) government already said it will ensure the price of carbon will only ever go up. I heard them say this in a news broadcast.
That’s why these fraudsters are so confident. ie. Unlike Enron, were K Lay ultimately couldn’t ensure his “energy credits” would always go up, the elites in collusion with governments ARE sure the price of “carbon credits” WILL always go up.
Obviously the day WILL come when YOU PERSONALLY are handed your carbon tax bill. By then, the price of a single breath may be $2 or more, who knows, but be assured our descendent’s will basically be paying to breath at some point in the (near?) future.
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Guns or no guns makes no difference… When that day comes I will choke a mother fucker to death trying to tax me for air.
williamwallace Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
if you dont have 100 acres to displace your footprint you are thrown into a volcano.
WakeUpToTheLies Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Yep, but if you have 100 acres, you’ll be removed for violations under international law, and then thrown into a volcano because you can’t displace your carbon footprint. The volcano always wins.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand and CFR just some history.
Report March 17, 2009 – Gilded Opinion; Financialsense.comComments (8) | RELATED TICKERS: GLD , AUY
Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan
[Editor's note - It may surprise more than a few gold devotees to learn they have an ideological friend in none other than Federal Reserve Board chairman Alan Greenspan. Starting in the 1950s, in fact, Greenspan was a stalwart member of Ayn Rand's intellectual inner circle. A self-designated "objectivist", Rand preached a strongly libertarian view, applying it to politics and economics, as well as to religion and popular culture. Under her influence, Greenspan wrote for the first issue of what was to become the widely-circulated Objectivist Newsletter. When Gerald Ford appointed him to the Council of Economic Advisors, Greenspan invited Rand to his swearing-in ceremony. He even attended her funeral in 1982.
In 1967, Rand published her non-fiction book, Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal. In it, she included Gold and Economic Freedom, the essay by Alan Greenspan which appears below. Drawing heavily from Murray Rothbard's much longer The Mystery of Banking, Greenspan argues persuasively in favor of a gold standard and against the concept of a central bank.
Can this be the same Alan Greenspan who today chairs the most important central bank of them all? Again, you might be surprised. R.W. Bradford writes in Liberty magazine that, as Fed chairman, "Greenspan (once) recommended to a Senate committee that all economic regulations should have fixed lifespans. Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.) accused him of 'playing with fire, or indeed throwing gasoline on the fire,' and asked him whether he favored a similar provision in the Fed's authorization. Greenspan coolly answered that he did. Do you actually mean, demanded the senator, that the Fed 'should cease to function unless affirmatively continued?' 'That is correct, sir,' Greenspan responded."
Bradford continues, "The Senator could scarcely believe his ears. 'Now my next question is, is it your intention that the report of this hearing should be that Greenspan recommends a return to the gold standard?' Greenspan responded, 'I've been recommending that for years, there's nothing new about that. It would probably mean there is only one vote in the Federal Open Market Committee for that, but it is mine.'" -- Editor, The Gilded Opinion ]
November 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Stop the genocide – http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/
November 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
——WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING—–
Fannie Mae is to recieve $15 billion in TARP funds to cover more losses from worthless mortgage back credit-default swaps ’shorted’ by Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan.
Bloomberg: http://bloomberg.com/apps/news…..&pos=3
Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan also will be allowed by the Obama administration to create worthless ‘credit-default swaps’ for the ‘new-home-tax credits’ approved by Congress in exchange for not having to pay income taxes.
So Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan gets to collect 3 times in this BAIL OUT BONANZA from the taxpayer!
The AMERICAN SUCKER….YOU GOTTA LOVE ‘EM!
November 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
inb4 shit just got real
November 5th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Please folks-
[PREPARE FOR WAR]
restless native Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
tonyxaviel@aol.com Why spiritblade?
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:07 am
We’re 2000 years behind enemy lines.
Our enemy is secured, our supplies erratic, and re-inforcements are questionable.
Our orders are to “occupy”, and “overcome”.
We have our work cut-out for us.
lionheart Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Supply is only erratic by our own lame choices. The Word says “be filled with the Spirit”.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
The Elite pollute their way to the top….then tax anyone who wants to follow suit….making it impossible to reach elite status….. unless your already there your F_@&#$!!!!
lionheart Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Agreed. I lived in California in 1992 and all you had to do was pay to play. If you brought in a non- CA auto you just had to pay a big tax, then you could drive your gas guzzler smog spewer all you wanted. If your car failed the emissions test, guess what, just pay another fee and drive all you want. Total BS and hypocrisy.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
hold youre breath people we are gann need to give it up for taxes soon. click my name.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;index=7
November 5th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
re; cap trade here is the monster Graham, kerry and lierberman HAD TO
push thru;
http://www.reuters.com/article.....WB20091105
November 5th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I hereby declare that I now own the rights to all co2 exhaled by humans and farts by humans and animals under your control. (Cause nobody thought of it first.)
You will be allowed 200 cubic feet of co2 emissions per year. Should you wish to exhale any more than that, I will be selling my own carbon credit certificates at market value.
I am offering a Pay-Per-Breath package at discount rates for heavy breathers or those who exercise.
You are required to purchase these Exhaling Certificates (patent pending), and are now able to pre-purchase, so start sending me money immediately. These certificates are not currently available as the ink cartridge in my printer is out of ink. However, once I purchase a new cartridge, these certificates will be authentic and official.
As required by the law I just made up, co2 measuring meters shall be installed on everyone’s face and buttocks by May of 2010. Yearly meter readings will take place at my home for the entire population. Since there are 340 million residents required to have their meters read and verified, a drive-through will be constructed for your convenience.
Everything I say is mandatory, even if I make up the rules as I go and I am disolved of any and all liability for any damages for the installation of the meters which must be bolted to your faces and asses.
Stay tuned for further details and a website to make your secure online purchases.
Thank you for your SLAVEATUDE!!!!!
DIBS Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
DIBS on 02 breathed IN….A meter…. a SPECIAL meter replacing the previously mentioned meter must be purchased AFTER…(a trade in model MUST be turned in….I wont step on your toes there arnie) and installed, metering BOTH 02 breathed in and CO2 exhaled. A SEPARATE Reading must be made at my TAX Payer build drive through every 6 months. Taper proof markers will be used to make sure everyone is not cheating like us….DUH???
You forgot to mention that the drive through will be built on TAX Payers dime, RIGHT?
DIBS Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
DIBS on 02 breathed IN….A meter…. a SPECIAL meter replacing the previously mentioned meter must be purchased AFTER…(a trade in model MUST be turned in….I wont step on your toes there arnie) and installed, metering BOTH 02 breathed in and CO2 exhaled. A SEPARATE Reading must be made at my TAX Payer build drive through every 6 months. Taper proof markers will be used to make sure everyone is not cheating like us….DUH???
You forgot to mention that the drive through will be built on TAX Payers dime, RIGHT?
Dibs Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:24 am
Better yet, I’d like O2 all around…not just going in but expelled too…since there will be all this CO2 emmisions being sold, the trees will flurish and I’ll make a TON of 100 Ameros bills from all the Oxygen produced by the TREES from all that HORRIBLE CO2. Now, Arnie, I’d think twice about only capitalizing on just the CO2 exhaled, you would be wise to get the GREEN (or pink what ever the new bill color is today) from all the CO2 INHALED as well….the you’ll capitalize on the GREEN making Green and we’ll all be RICH>>>>>ER RICHER….and we’ll be able to control EVERY aspect of EVERY PERSONS LIVES…POWER AND RICHES….BURN IN HELL BUT HEY>>>>EVERY GREED HAS A PRICE, RIGHT.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Rothschild says time for a cartoon…??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_qbmgmg8MY
November 5th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
This is just a question out of sheer frustration, but can we not shoot the bastards yet?
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Dude let them pass whatever fucking laws they want… You cant tax a dead economy especially with a bullet in your mouth!
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Here…Im passing a law. Any one attempting to tax you for air will be dragged to the ground and suffocated to death. All in favor say I!
November 5th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
The level of fraud is getting hard to comprehend.
hi i'm larry pratt a cnp member like john ashcroft Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
What fraud?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Buy carbon credit! Way to preserve your wealth!
November 5th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
This is the kind of precendent you idiot taxpayers don’t want to set. Now these traders know they can rely on taxpayers so they run up the bubble all they want. Well have fun paying for their mess…LOLZ!
November 5th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I’m blown away that this scam, FRAUD, BULLSHIT has gotten this far. The SECOND, someone suggested that CO2 was bad for the envir. they should have been thrown out on their head but instead, we’re the idiots for accepting this BULLSHIT. It makes me SO DAMN mad…I”m SPITTING MAD about this…why not tax us for “stealing” O2 instead? We’re stealing it from “the earth” without giving it back …OH THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT..
November 5th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
The carbon tax will be ,if passed a world tax. This world tax will fund the NWO one world beast government.Joan Veon and others have been warning that the luciferian NWO needs a mechanism to tax all without limit to fund their plan for feudal serfdom. The Bible said long ago, way before computers, that the day would come when no man would be able to buy or sell unless he have a mark( implant?) on his right hand or forehead.Rev 13. You can say how did they know this,how could the entire world, every man woman and child be faced with the option of being numbered or be an enemy of the NWO state????
jt Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:29 am
The Bible writers knew it because this translation is only 6o years old. The bastards trying to tax us are the ones who wrote that garbage.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Long live the secret organizations!
November 6th, 2009 at 2:37 am
I wish you would have printed my last comment on this story. As you have censored, so to shall you be censored.
Free speach?
Karma
November 6th, 2009 at 2:43 am
An educated electorate is the key to free society.
Do I write only for the world leaders? Do I write only for the select few?
I got a say, you can kiss my ass, and then kill me.
Karma is Coming
November 6th, 2009 at 2:51 am
That was a test. Now I know what this site is about. Too bad. To think I was going to give alex jones a place in the Kingdom of Forever.
Free speach? unless you speak in perfect english a pefect history.
Hey alex, you hired em.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Fire em.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
wake up,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaBZ0kx-2Os
November 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am
when is the global warming coming im freeziing over here
Tman Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 10:24 am
I know. It’s not even winter yet and Colorado gets a snowstorm. It’s already in the 40s in my area. The polar bears are happy in the winter, more ice land mass = more seals.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKYl2HTePYc
November 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
“Cap and Trade” bill is scheduled to be passed soon.
This is simply another total fraud created by the “master minds” of Wall Street. The same people that gave us the Credit Default Obligations and it’s GSachs inspired evil cousin, the Credit Default Swap. Only this time instaed of Wall Street, it will be orignated out of Chicago, at the Chicago Board of Trade.
Again, the market fraudsters, have created widely speculative, highly complex derivitives for this market. These instruments, like their predescessors, the CDOs and CDSs will be leveraged up to 60 – 75 times. It will the wildest gambling game to date, far surpassing anything Las Vegas could ever imagine.
In the end, it will be the mega Wall Street gambling houses and “investment banks” that will create another huge bubble. Same players as before. It is this bubble that will finally collapse the US economy for good. Again, after their created bubble bursts, the American taxpayer will foot the bill, only this time there will be no money to pay, and the house of cards that collapses will sink America into “official” 3rd world status.
It will take awhile for the bubble to be created and untold billions in profits amd new taxes to be sucked from hard working Americans before the bubble bursts, it may take years, but it will happen.
When it does happen, the globalists, the free marketeers, the crooks from Wall Street enabled by our corrupt Congress and the NWO will win.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
The US has already exhausted several kinds of fiat currency.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Just one look at Al Gore ought to be enough for people to say throughout the world- “No Way, Jose’! “
November 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I’ve said this for years: carbon trading is the next bubble, and it is far more interweaving and global than the subprime system.
This will be the biggest ponzi scheme in history!
November 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Hmmm. Carbon trading, is that slavery? I’m a carbon based life form as are all of us, and all living things. So if you cap and trade carbon, you must be enslaving the world. Anyone care to disagree?
November 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Rothschild deus ex machina…??? http://www.folloder.com/pix/cl.....monkey.swf
November 6th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
“Communists are not the enemies of monopoly capitalism; they are the foes of free enterprise’
November 7th, 2009 at 8:00 am
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