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Charged with Murder, Son Who Stabbed House Raider
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David Pilditch
Daily Express
Ocotber 29, 2009
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Omari Roberts, 23, was widely praised after tackling Tyler Juett, 17, and a 14-year-old accomplice when he caught them breaking into his mother’s home.
He chased the 14-year-old off, then returned to the house to find Juett still there. They scuffled and Juett suffered a six-inch stab wound that severed vital arteries.
Juett was rushed to hospital but later died from his injuries.
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October 29th, 2009 at 9:47 am
first I’d like to say that this sort of thing is nothing new. a man’s home used to be his castle, now it’s prison.
1st!!!!!!
Q Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS PAINFUL IF HE HAD A GUN
kj Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
And more fun!
Sgt. Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
But, …..loud.
Chump Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
You fellas, like I did, assumed it happened in a free country where free men are known for their unalienable right to bear arms (in defense of self, and to preserve a free state); although, this killing didn’t happen in any such place.
The article on Infowars doesn’t say, but it happened in Briton.
So, you have a man, who citizens of the 50 countries of the union under the Constitution would say, has an unalienable right to bear arms living somewhere where he it is not recognized.
I think the little burglar deserved the blade anyhow. Better for him. Slower- and yes- more painful.
I would like to see the gun rights lobbyists call for the son to be given honorary citizenship in a state in the union that DOES recognize his unalienable rights. That’s the kind of folks we could use here. Passionate defenders of life, liberty and property- not the limp wristed Demublican/Republicrat supporters, not the pansy Keyboard Captains trying to be “first” posting to a unique and important site.
You all are going to get everything you ever deserved. Me too. You’d better damned well be doing what needs being done to sow good seeds now. Seeds that will produce for you an environment different to the one this defending son is subjected to.
The walls are closing about you. Will you too find yourself captive in your own castle-styled prison cell? Will you flirt with free speech by cliches on the internet? Will you bear the responsibility of securing a free state only by showing up to a teaparty? Will you deny the stationing of soldiers in your homes by looking up Northcom or sheepishly avoiding the stare of a LEO?
This 23 yr old son deserves better for bearing the personal courage of addressing the conflict he had before him. This man unfortunately, is getting exactly what he deserves for not doing anything about the country in which he lives. For paying to educate young burglars in public school. For not engaging his community through law in the arena of politics. For defending his castle, and allowing the state to overrun the whole of the neighborhood.
I would share a foxhole with this lad… but I don’t know about some of you others here…
Max Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Chump, it says Daily Mail which is not American, we know that.
That kid is a hero! Those punks being in someone else home is the same as attempted murder.
JB Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Only thing that makes sense now, is to stab the prosecuter…
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
“I’ll sure as hell, buy that.”
Basil Worthington Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
First off, did any of you Yanks read the entire article??? hmmm??? This happened in the UK, not your precious little rebel stronghold.
Stop spouting off right to 2nd amendment and right to kill in your home.
Next, Alex Jones is a wonderful master of deceit, you have fallen for this headline thinking it happened in the U.S.S.A and start spouting off all sorts of nonesense.
You yank baboons need to click on read entire article before you go farting off your mouths.
damn you stupid sheep!
Michael Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Yeah, too loud. The knife is better. I can get more sleep that way.
Sabretruthtiger Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 5:12 am
How on earth by an legal logic whatsoever could it NOT be called self-defense???!!!
If he’s charged with murder, I personally (if I lived in Britain) would murder the judge, and get away with it. They’d think twice before carrying out any more NWO orders in the future.
jt Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Alex we are not interested in what happens in England or anywhere else in the world. But this kid did not deserve to die. Poor 14 and 17 year olds robbing houses of the upper class is a result of state sponsored economic terrorism.
nhluck Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
i agree……..this is out rage…im so sick of people not able to protect themselves.
CALL TO ARMS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
KEEP A “THROWAWAY” WEAPON WHOEVER AND WHERE EVER YOU ARE!
LIVE FREE OR DIE SCUM!
nobleUK Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
tell that to tony martin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Vendetta Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Wow, just read your link. I am awestruck! How sad… You can’t even defend your home anymore. Obviously the Farmer didn’t invest enough into barbed wire and a moat! But seriously, I will never visit that God Forsaken island of UK. I hope ‘28 Days Later’ comes true. Godless gun free pagans deserve what Hell wrought. Even Jesus preached to carry a sword.
F all governments Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
F this whole world and whoever made it and whoever runs it now
Seal Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I am well aware of Mr. Martin’s persecutions, even his having to beg the burgulars for paroll!!!
The Old Queen there in UK, sits quite silent, while the Dutch titriarch attends Bilderberger meetings!!!
I believe the old queen of UK is fully-behind all this madness, disarming citizenry- even in their own hiomes!!!
Old QE2 is most obviously clamping-down, as she begins to smell her own demise.
Very likely establishing tyranny prior to one of her sonny-boys taking over.
Barrack, the Chicken Hawk, Obama Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 3:50 am
Where in the bible does it say, “to carry a sword” Not saying it doesn’t exist. Simply… Where?
But it also says … “If you LIVE by the SWORD, you’ll DIE by the SWORD.” Don’t know chapter.
If anyone reading this knows.. Jot it done for the rest of us.
Thanks all… and may God call upon the True. SOON.
F*ck the system Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
real shame …. hope people see sense soon and let this brave lad go free.
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
When you have people judging you with names that start with “Lord” and “Sir”, you should know you’re fucked.
The Brits need to find their backbone.
They need to stop this shit in it’s tracks.
I think it’s time for the American people to once again show the world how it’s done.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
You’ve got to be kidding lad? The American people are slo apathetic; dumb down, and cowardly, they couldn’t show anybody anything! By an large, a bunch of sheep; useless feeders, and their corrupt Politicians recognize said facts, or they couldn’t get away with the steady rape of the American people! Hence, for God sakes, never point the Americans out, as a favlorable example of anything!
Capt. Justice Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
To quick they need time to reflect on their life and repent for their sins. Let them know what pain and suffering is about.
Vote Third Party Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
If the kid that got stabbed wasn’t underage he wouldn’t he getting charged with murder.
http://www.Vote3rdPartyNow.org
gff Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
“To “F all Government” – white people created this sick devilish world!!! The children of Satan!!!!!!!!!!!
"gff" is a Khazar shill Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Same comment everyday, dude get some new material, it’s really getting old.
Unconquered Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Q, I wouldn’t want to make it LESS painful. I’d want to make it MORE painful. WTF?! I hope to God the citizens in this hero’s community stand up for him. That is f*****g OUTRAGEOUS.
Dustin Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
They won’t. Guaranteed.
2nd amendment patriot Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I HOPE THE VICTIMS PARENTS SUE THAT AHOLE FOR KILLING AN INNOCENT KID. They don’t really understand what they are doing and this man killed, murdered that boy!!!!
You people are sick!
wolfman Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
dude….seriously….i live here in the prison of England and i can tell you law or not, i woulda ripped this fucking kid a new asshole if the scumsucking little shit had broken into my house. he deserved to die! pity he couldnt have died more than once. the law in this country protects the criminals and punishes and entraps the innocent. this whole country needs the good people taking out and then nuke the rest of it…police, politicians and chavs. fuck em all and let em burn
2nd amendment patriot Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
First off, instead of calling the cops, once this guy ran out of his house and left his mother inside like a coward, he went back in and killed that boy. He premeditated this murder, he though to himself, I see this kid and I’m going to kill him now.
You see, he meant to kill this innocent boy, he had it in his heart. To stab someone is violent and means you have a lot of anger and I mean rage. Just look at the boy’s death wound, it was expertly executed to cause death. This was no accident self defense, this was out and out murder.
As I said, children have no grasp on the things they do, they are not mentally and emotionally fit to understand what it is that they are really doing. The conciquences are not a reality to them. This 23 year old man had enough sense that he should not have murdered this innocent boy.
You guys are still nut jobs and wackos.
The law states that you must find a way out of your perceived danger and if there is no way out, then and only then can you allow the person to do harm to you so that you may defend yourself…not before and if you don’t like our laws, then you are UnAmerican and need to fly your traitorous ass off to some commi country.
COCKSUCKERS!!!!
Unconquered Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
2nd amendment, who’s the victim here? The teens broke into a house. you don’t want to be filleted? Don’t break into my home. Its that simple. So if someone breaks into your house you’re just going to stand by and not defend your home? Too bad if you have a spouse and/or kids. They’d be ashamed (and in danger because) of what a spineless apologist you are.
SPIRIBLADE Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I’d throw their asses in front of me and run like hell.
[LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC]
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
It doesn’t matter how old you are. Breaking into a man’s house, you should be prepared to die.
zeebob Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
What planet are you on 2nd? Home intruders who persist after being discovered are to be considered a deadly threat. How dare you call yourself a patriot!!
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
The word Patriot? is as useless as tits on a boar hog; it means absolutely nothing anymore! Every corrupt Politician, con man, and shyster in the Country, seems to hide behind said word! I’m a real patriot? Your ass; you’re a real ass hole; that’s the ture meaning of said word in this day and age! Not unlike, the so called born again Christian? You’d best watch your wallet around said individual, “smile.”
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Yeah? Right! You’ve got to be kidding…………………………………
The Big Picture Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Another option would have been, if the mother wasn’t home and only the perp was in the residense, the 23 yr old could have gone to a neighbors house and used a phone to report the invasion, this would prevent the victim and the perp the possibility of a physical altercation, teens make mistakes and as bad as they are, should have an opportunity to change their path. the 23 yr old should have been more clear-headed in his decision making process, even under duress and surprise. If the perp comes in armed, that is another story.
Thomas Paine Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
What would have happened if he had not been home. His mother could of been raped.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Not if you seen her? “smile.”
SPIRIBLADE Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
What a racist thing to say, just because the kid was black and the mother was an inbred from Wesvirginy.
Racist
[all hail thermalexpansion!!!]
zeebob Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
If the perp attacked inside the house the attack must be considered as a deadly threat and must be dealt with with any means necessary.
2nd amendment patriot Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Not only that big picture, but the teen was probably scared shitless, got confused and didn’t know how to beat cheeks out of there. He broke in, but didn’t know his way around the house. Like a trapped mouse, this 23 year old man murdered this boy.
cj Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Tell you what tell that line to those of us who have not had violent run-ins with these children. I am not talking about our military…..just your fellow citizens. The man is in your house…not leaving for what ever reason. Possible armed and possibly not following orders to get out or lay down on the ground till the cops get here. A fight ensued and the criminal died. Lets see if the home owner dies then maybe the criminal moves onto the rest of the family. These kids were versed enough on how to do the burglary, what to steal and all. Where was mom and dad to teach them right from wrong. Tell you what America see a burglary in your home leave and ask how long he will need inside your home taking everything that you have worked hard to get. And yes ask him to please lock the door on his way out. You elected him and this part of wealth redistribution. Your big picture is he should have never been in the house to begin with.
Thorne in Their Side Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:11 am
The problem with your Hypothesis is that you are lacking some very critical info!
The first question would be, who actually had the knife in the first place? The intruder, or the defender?
The second question should be motive, Why did they breal into this house?
Even juveniles that commit felonies are guilty of planning and executing their crimes! So, one would need to know these 2 questions BEFORE an Assumption can be made!!
That being said, had it been my house, I would have broken both the little bastards arms and held him there for arrest!!! Or shot him, depends on the first question!!!
And for all the brits that are Bashing the Yanks, What have you done to defend your rights in, say, the last 250 years?? And you want to call us weak!!! Go piss yourself to death, limey assholes!!
alzeimers Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Don’t you remember that pair of boys who kidnapped the little 3 year old baby boy from his mother in England , at a shopping mall… they took him to the train tracks , they beat him up, they even repetitively kept dropping huge boulders on his tiny head, then they tied him to the train tracks.. those two young boys went to jail, for a little bit of time.. but now are both out of jail.. in england… that crime was horrific.. even today.. so to the dude who is saying the kids who broke into the house didnt deserve to die… they made that pact before they decided to break into someone elses home… I was a victim to a home break in.. and trust me, I will do what ever it takes to protect my kids and my own self.. I refuse to ever be a victim ever again…. F the laws…. when it comes to your family or your own life, we have to do, what we gotta do.. perhaps he didnt intentionally mean to murder the kid, perhaps that was also accidental, we dont know that… no one can predict the outcome until it slaps you in the face… and every struggle for your life, you do whatever it takes to survive… as in a war… human nature is like that… survival.. its what we all strive for.. so it is what it is.. that kid shouldnt have broke into someone elses home.. he would still be alive.. right.
Adam Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 9:21 am
IF it came to that, yes i would agree. But having a gun, he could have had more control over the situation, instead of a scuffle and somebody get stabbed with a six inch blade…
Adam Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Thorne in Their Side….Brilliant
Brandon Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Sorry, but this was self-defense. Anyone with common sense can see this a being such a case.
HighSea Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
That’s right, these teenage invaders had NO BUSINESS there nor were they invited by the homeowners and therefore it was open season on them.
Cole Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Whatever happened to the “Make My Day” law? or is that only in Oklahoma…
THORNY Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I’d be willing to bet the burglar that was killed wasn’t white, thus the charge for murder
God knows you can’t use self defense against someone of color or else you have the
likes of sharpton and jackson screaming, demanding “justice”……………….
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I suspect you should read articles before you comment…
Yuri Prime Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Here in Texas we have the castle law. Sounds about the same as “Make my day law”. This guy would have been congratulated and sent home with a hero’s welcome over here.
mongoestella Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Warning!!
Don’t leave a link or your post is gone!!
If you got to do somebody who breaks in, make sure you leave him half in and half out of the doorway. That way he can’t claim you invited him in, then you attacked him. You defended your self as he was coming through the door way .
In Trawna a Chinaman grabs a shoplifter, holds him for the cops and he gets charged for kidnaping. The perp even confessed.
Search: Toronto Chinatown kidnap shoplifter, for the story.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I’d go with the throw away gun, or knife? Just make damn sure, that you get a full set of prints; etc!!! “That’ll work lad.”,
Thorne in Their Side Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 7:14 am
In my State they have to be completely inside your house to be considered a threat, but then they’re fair game!!!
whitewash Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
the key word here is that “he was breaking into the house but not in the house” and it was NOT he’s house but a carer’s home!! he should maybe get agravated manslator
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Only a Briton would think that. It hurts the kid had to die, but it is just too easy not to be killed by someone that thinks they are defending their mother: Don’t be a burglar.
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Absolutely!
semperfortis Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
watch the old series “the prisoner” with patrick mcgoohan. 40 yrs old so very relevant today. he escaped the “prison” to discover that society itself was a prison.. very great show, easy to see why many have never heard of it
Captain Picard Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:21 am
NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE DAMN UK ALEX!!! They are Far Too Gone. OUR PROBLEMS ARE HERE AT HOME!!!!! You have no rights in the EU dumbasses…so stop bitching about it. We DO still have rights, and if break in my home you are leaving in a body bag….cause if you leave you will sue me for hurting your hand breaking in? California is for morons.
Michael Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:49 am
I like how you placed a relevant comment before calling, “1st.” I deem that post acceptable.
AreYouKiddingME? Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 2:01 am
This is a perfect example of a Government OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY and on a POWER HIGH!
For them to even think that a guy who had just chased one burglar away only to come back and be confronted with yet ANOTHER ONE, then have to struggle with him to the point that ONE of them ended up getting stabbed, but somehow the government expects this poor guy to be thinking clearly and to STOP and THINK what his next move should be and is he “using too much force” is just OUTRAGEOUS!
This is to train the people that the can do NOTHING which may be “aggressive” regardless of the circumstance.
If they teach us that we cannot defend ourselves with each other, that just helps ensure them we get to a point were we do not defend ourselves against THEM as well.
They literally want us as PASSIVE sheep for the slaughter in mind, body and soul.
JaneTheCarpenter Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am
If someone is in a person’s house uninvited, to do harm. One can never tell how they would behave if it happened to them. God gave us the fle or fight response. There is stories of people that said they were yelling as loud as they could, but no one come to help. That’s because they where in shock and nothing was coming out of their mouth. I am a singal 49 year old woman and I know for a fact that this happens, it happened to me. I didn’t yell but however I thought someone was in my house, I was so scared that I just layed in bed frozen not moving. I don’t know how long I was like that. I woke up the next morning and relized nothing happened, but now in my life if something doesn’t feel right in my home, I don’t get scared, I fight. I get right up and check out my HOME and Will not be afraid in my own HOME!!! Now I will protect my self. There was a time that if you caming into a person’s home, that was a no no. Morals kept people out, and to think they left the doors on locked.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Their are certain RISKS a scumbag must take if they choose to break into someones home.
LCpl E4 Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Nailed !! Scumbags are inviting stab wounds, gunshot wounds and head trauma when they go into another person’s home with intent to harm.
BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
YES SMASH THEM IN THER HEADS !!!
Unconquered Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Which is why the second ammendment is important. But yes, Blunt Force Trauma is good too. a good old fashioned rock would do the trick. Especially if they have a knife. And why the hell was the guy who got capped still at the house when the hero returned after chasing the 14 year old? Social darwinism: 1
Perp: 0
October 29th, 2009 at 9:55 am
The courts are a sham.
Honor the Lord, then ajudicate for YOURSELF.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I can’t open this. I assume this is in Britian. The town people MUST protest and MARCH in support of this man, if not they’re all prisioners!
nobleUK Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am
it was in nottingham a big city in the midlands
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
The brits can rot for all I care,,they brought all this shit on them selves bunch of crooked teeth limies…revolt like we are going to do
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
I’m rather fond of the British people, but their govt. is an atrocity looking for victims.
Boffomet Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
wasn’t The Sheriff Of Nottingham the arch enemy of Robin Hood? this whole story may have been written at Tavistock.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Come on now people! One can’t expect too much of the poor limeys huh? ha! ha!
October 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
The NWO have successfully corrupted the legal system over the last several decades, as a very effective tool against the middle class, who are the current main target in the globalist plans. The US must be equalized with other poorer nations if their plans are to succeed.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“The US, is in check.”
October 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Britain is a horrible place to live at the mo. So many laws coming in. it is a big brother state and the majority of people are fast asleep. i don’t know what it will take for them to wake up. Also please stop the 1st business. This site is for adults, not little babies.
me first Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
1st!
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
It’s trolls doing this firster shit just to push our buttons !!!
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
You think Britan is in bad shape? Have you looked around lately!
October 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am
The political scene may very well be changing in the UK, especially after the BBC’s attempt to demonize the “The British National Party” on Question Time”.
The government’s propaganda machine “The BBC” has made a serious mistake, after it was found that this long running the program was formally changed, to enable the BBC to con the public into thinking they were some kind of monsters.
This party like so many other organisations, are against a New World Order system, and the British government from all sides, Labour, Conservatives, Liberal democrats are on a witch hunt for them, however, the BBC’s question Time program, has started to wake the masses up.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
This is the way the legal system works in Scandinavia. You’re supposed to call the cops if someone invades your property. If you get physical, you get sued and have to pay a lot of money for the poor criminal(s).
There was a case in Finland where a knife-wielding psychopath started stabbing people in a park. The perpetrator stabbed three people, two of them were critically wounded. An on-looker saw the scene, snuck up to the knife man, and kicked him in the head, that knocked him unconsciouss. He was charged with assault.
trut Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am
can we have a link to this story from mainstream media, this seems outrageous and I personally don’t believe a word of it.
Ok Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am
So you only believe the mainstream media? I don’t believe a word of it. Lal.
Lee Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I personally, wouldn’t give a rat’s ass, for the so called main stream media; they’re propaganda! Thank God for the internet; independant media, etc! As such, at least to date, we’re still able to assertain the facts………………………
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
What??? Are you a posting robot? organic or otherwise? why don’t you search for it yourself trut, if you are so lazy you won’t do that then you should just stay out of the debate.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
OH and PS the Express is mainstream, I’m sure the Telegraph, BBC and Sun all have it as well.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am
burglars broke into the house one was chased off, the other stayed to do his worst. the man defended himself and his mother from the evils visited on him that day.
the judges ultimatum:
you’re not allowed to defend yourself or your private property!!
now bend over and spread your checks for the NWO!!!!
lavosslayer Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
That’s exactly what I was told by my supervisor when I was stationed there (was in the US Air Force) and something like that came up in conversation. You are not allowed to defend your property if someone brakes into your house. Sadly, you have to rely on the system in order to get anything done in the UK which as you know, could care less about you.
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Actually, they couldn’t care less. When that happens, it’s active warfare on it’s citizens.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
First of the bloke who commited this murder was a F***ing immigrant and the victim was a puny tiny little 17 year old BOY who would of pissed his pants just by shouting at him.
Your home should definitely be your castle no doubt about it but he went WAY too far by killing him.
I hope he gets what he deserves in prison.
Lucas Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I hope when the other “tiny little boys” grow up and understand that the low is actually protecting aggressors not victims, will break into your home and slaughter all your family on your eyes. You deserve it and I wish you that.
yodave Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I hope you rot in hell for sayig that Bill
hmmm Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:23 am
there it is isn’t bill uk? its because the man was black and burglar was white. that’s why he is being charged. end of story, same old racism.
CALL2ARMS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
You are an ASSCLOWN do you think this guy knew it was teenagers no asshole those little fuks got what they deserve thats the chance you take when burglarizing
BILL UK your ignorant
GuyinFlorida Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Keep up that way of thinking. You britts are in worse shape than we are and no one is doing a thing. Maybe something like this should happen to you. You could just stand back and let the bugger take anything he wants and probably assault you to boot.
majic8ball Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
That’s the attitude to why the UK is screwed. Cameras everywhere, outrageous fines and fat heads with Bill’s mentality. Unfortunately the U.S has a lot of Bill’s mentality running around and were going exactly the same way as the UK. It’s easy to say what you would do in the same situation but Bill it sounds like you’d be found in the fetal position crying like a little girl. And what the hell does it matter if he was a “legal” immigrant or not?
Mac-101 Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
UK Bill, I surely don’t care if he was an immigrant or not. I don’t care if he was an illegal immigrant. THe man fought with an armed man in his house and killed him in self defence. If he WAS an illegal immigrant, he should have been made a hero, then DEPORTED with a hanshake and told not to come back till he’s legal!
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Yeah he was puny, he was also committing a felony, I dunno maybe the kid just decided to kill him, maybe the puny guy picked up a stick. It is a tragedy that anyone died but it could have been avoided entirely if he hadn’t tried to burglarize someones home…
Griz Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Bill UK, if he repeatedly stabbed him or stabbed him then tied him upside down off a barn door to bleed him like a deer, we’ll never determine for sure if this was murder. Murder DOES involve intent even in the UK. Put yourself in the child on trial’s shoes for a bit. He had chased a 14 year old off and probably thought he’d chased off the other one as well. But, returning home he’s startled and SCARED, yes, SCARED to find the older boy still there. I don’t know first hand how you grow them there in the UK, but over here a 17 year old can easily be called adult sized and every bit as strong as any man. I doubt he was checking the birthday on his ID before trying to defend himself. Yes, defend himself. People like all mammals have a little thing called adrenaline that is a hormone you create when scared or startled or in danger. That provokes an ancient mindset you may have heard of called the “fight or flight response”. For that moment, you are at the mercy of a thousands of years old instinct especially if it is one of the first few times you ever experience it. Will you rip someone’s throat out with your bare hands? Possibly, if the adrenaline involved is great enough and quickly enough generated with a perceived threat at close quarters. And it won’t be your decision or intent to do so, I promise. It will be shear reaction brought on by the built in survival mechanism you and everyone else that is healthy has from heritage. It comes from thousands of years of evolution or from God, and it doesn’t particularly matter which you believe is the originator, it is there. I’m not saying that it can never be restrained or harnessed, but especially in younger persons who haven’t experienced great fear, I believe it is best summed up as an instinctual panic that demands action. Our laws and our societies should NOT judge people for what is most akin to hormonally induced temporary insanity that results in actions preceding thought or intent. Least of all should we allow public opinions to color facts. I don’t know what went on because I wasn’t there, nor do you I suspect. Let’s not deal with legal issues by summary opinion where there should be reasonable latitude in the law for a correct judgment. My opinion is that while I don’t have all the facts, what I do have points clearly to purely instinctual and strong reaction that the inexperienced young man could no more ignore than can a goose not fly south for the winter and feel good about it.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
David Pilditch
in america we give hospitals names? we do not simply state hospital like in europe?
and thanks for the legal back round pertaining to home invation and the home owner’s state of mind?
devo Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am
keep up the good work?
October 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
You get what is coming to you when you enter someone Else’s house
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’ve got an old friend that got drunk this year and broke into someone’s house because he thought it was his and there was a man in his house with his wife and kid. He got the shit kicked out of him and thrown in jail. I feel sorry for him but I will not defend him in anyway whatsoever. Don’t get blind drunk, don’t burglarize, don’t intimidate people that might turn out to be genuinely dangerous and clean your clock.
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Nailed it !!
October 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Bill UK,
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Maybe it will be your home NEXT.
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Tell us how well shouting at the invader works.
Bill UK Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Trust me Alex any burglars in my house would be FUCKED but I draw the line at having to stab a young man to death. You have to use some common sense here.
He went to far plain and simple.
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
1 or 2 teenagers can and have over whelmed people and killed people,, anyone,,, teenager or adult breaks into my home and I promise you they will be met with,, not a knife,,,not tazer,,, or anything else less deadly than the goodole 00buck.
Flyboy Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
LOL, Veto would you atleast give these scum a moment to repeent before you send them to meet there MAKER as I would ? I’m glad someone had the courage to put these punks outta there mysery!!! GREAT JOB Omari for protecting your Mother and prpoerty !! Thats what Life is all about. Defend yourself first, then tell it to a jury of the People. If a “JUDGE” Wont Exonerate you, the people will. GOD BLESS YOU MY FREIND !!
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I will give them time to repent,,, yes as long as they do it between the trigger pull and the aim… no more that that,, sorry lol
Griz Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Flyboy, giving a “moment to repent” may be all the difference in the deal. You may be mislead and surprised by a sudden grab for their weapon. No, I won’t give them a moment to repent and kill me, I’ll let them repent as they stand before their god, if they have one. Lot’s of luck with gunpoint conversions, doesn’t work well all the time though.
Henry Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
So your contention is that in a situation where it’s either you or him, you will choose to let the swine emerge the victor, because you don’t want to go too far? What a pussy!
What is to say that the invader doesn’t become desperate to keep his identity anonymous and therefore sees you or your family as a witness and therefore must be eliminated? Can you honestly take that chance…with the lives of your family? There is a reason that the law recognized ones home as his castle. You are meant to be totally secure within from all threats without.
When a crime is committed against one in his home, what is being said is that you can’t ever be secure anywhere and therefore you must now live in a perpetual state of fear. To break that fear, you must defend your home with force up to and including lethal force. When it comes to the defense of your home, the state must have NO say in how you come to the determination to use that lethal force to defend oneself. Each and every person has the innate right to self defense…period. When the state can determine the “appropriateness” of a defensive act, then that is the state telling you that you have no rights whatsoever!
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Well said.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I really don’t think there is to far if the “Puny” kid was being agressive and intimidating, he could have run with his buddy.
I bet he was a stud-up. He got what he asked for. The tragedy is that if he could have lived longer he might have grown up, but then again he may have ultimately killed or permanently injured someone in a home invasion. That is why when you commit a felony you have put every single F-ing one of your chips on the table, you are all in and subject to the luck of the draw.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I am rolling over in my grave
October 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am
i got attacked once when cops were right across the street watching…i got hit like five times and i did not throw one punch and yet i got arrested too and charged with fighting…we have no rights…rights are reserved only for the wealthy…
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
“Mutual Combat” the biggest most outrageous abuse of justice you can have. What BS.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
What he did was NOT wrong at all, but he won’t get justice in the police state controlled by that WHORE queen, that’s right brit. your queen is a WHORE. I would just pick up and leave the country. England needs to rise up and say UP YOURS to the system.
CALL2ARMS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
that’s rite fuk the WHORE QUEEN IN UK
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Yes I agree, I cannot resist calling that evil, sick bitch a whore. It is a sin but I can’t resist it.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
that one is not allowed to defend his/her home as their “castle” and must refrain from defending the home and instead call the police enforces the general NWO policy of public dependence on the system -the popo
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October 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
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October 29th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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Nancy Peloci is almost life like Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
AP is probably Herendo Rivolta
October 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am
It is a good thing that the scumbag died.Now he can not hurt others and he won’t be able sue the young man who stabbed him for physical damage.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
TOTAL BULLSH**!!!!! The guy was an intruder! The kid saved his family!! What the fun do they want?? If it was one of those cops homes & their kid did it it would be okay!!! Bias bast***s!
October 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
I am so glad that someone finally got through too the legislature of ohio and they passed a “castle law”. good for that lad and let the criminals beware in the buckeye state. For the prosecutor and the one’s pulling his strings, you will be surprised at how people are willing too fight to be free.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Too bad, if he had a gun he could have gotten both of the bastards. I’ll protect my home till the death from anyone and anything. It is a right granted by GOD and not man. The bureaucracy just can’t seem to get it into their head’s, guess their but is in the way that a man’s home is still his castle and by GOD he should defend it till death to the best of his ability. The government needs to wake up and realize that not everyone drinks their koolaide and not everyone believes their bullshit. I was born a free American and will die free, notice I left out the word American in the last part. If need be I will leave this decrepited country and look for a free place to live. Russia now has more freedom than us and I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired!
dylan Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Dude… there are no such thing as rights. Technically, you have a right to do anything you want. God does not give you “rights”. Where the fuck are the rights of the 50,000 people who starve to death every day? They have a “right” to food. Where were the rights of people under Pol Pot’s regime? You have free will, not rights. Rights are temporary liberties given to you under the bill of rights that can be taken away at a moment’s notice. You have the freedom to defend your home, but not the “right”.
me first Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
dylan = cumgurgler
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Kid crooks maybe need a good beating not death, but if you die in a felony, I might feel sad for you but I will NEVER convict your killer if you were a home invader.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Hmm. Was still there when he returned? Scumbag was either brazen, or stupid or a little of both. He paid with his life for that decision to stick around. He had his chance to vacate the premises. In order to get stuck with a knife, you have to be in close contact. Scumbag decided to take on the occupant.. but unfortunately, there in the UK, they will make an example of this young man and throw the book at him. Not much hope for him, the decision has been made.
Ben Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
The UK’s government will perhaps make an example of the defender, but he made an example of the burglars.
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I suspect that he was a stud-up too. If he didn’t run he is being brazen.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
According to the New World Order government he should have let the burglars move in and stay as long as they wanted.
John Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
That’s a good one! LOL
October 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Hmmm…lets think this through
23 y/o guy runs the 14 y/o off….goes back inside and ‘confronts’ the 17 y/o (who has the balls to still be there; btw)…the kid died of a 6 inch knife wound (possible steak knife…possible shank…we don’t know what kind of knife or who’s it was)
there may actually be something to the ‘gratuitous force’ arguement
Buuuuuuut
why does a 23 y/o feel the need to pull a knife on a 17 y/o ?
-the kid is ALOT bigger than him
-the kid is armed
either way, why does he stay there long enough for the guy to get a knife and stab him ?
We’re either not being told about a huge piece of the puzzle or pure stupidity is rearing its ugly head again
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
you belong in a swimming (cess) pool
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:56 am
sorry ,, meant that for the American dipshit up above,,, but the later part of your last statement
I feel is the most accurate.
SHHHHHHH Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Derrrrrrrrrrr!
October 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
i guess we all could be charged with a hate crime becouse we hate people who steal.
John Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Good one! LOL
October 29th, 2009 at 11:41 am
also are they going to ban knife from are home “prison cell”
vetofnamBS Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
they might try
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Knives are illegal in the UK. I keep wondering how they cut their steak???
Nancy Peloci is almost life like Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Their vegatarians and only eat beans for the methane effect
October 29th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Better to have your day in court then to be dead. If someone attacks you with clear intent to cause severe injury / death, the only law is kill or be killed. The dead can’t testify against you. This young man should have dragged the body inside his home, slashed his own wrists a little bit to clearly make it look like it was self defense, then gotten some bleach and try to clean what blood was outside.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Well if he had done that he would be a criminal too and then that demonstrates intent for murder as well.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:46 am
If the family being robbed was very rich, the murdering guy should get murder one as the super rich taunt poor people with their nice things and the burglars had a moral right to be there. If the victims were poor or middle class, the murdering guy should go free because you never rob the underclass. The burglars in this case would break the moral high ground and get justice.
jackpontiac Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I am a UNION ELECTRICIAN and I make $44/hr.
I want to try out my new GUN!
October 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
BILL UK,
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We are not talking about toddlers her.
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kids this age KILL people everyday
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A person has to assume that anyone WILLING to break into your home is WILLING to harm you.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
who knows what really happened but could you imagine actually stabbing someone. I don’t know what you call it but it takes alot of something. Them kids had no business in that house so if one of them got stabbed to death I’d venture to say that be his own fucking fault. I’d also venture to say this story is a major detterent to all wood be burglers.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Actually the blade sticks because the muscles tense up. You have to shove like you are punching to get it to go in and it is much harder with a dull knife. It is also unbelievably messy. That is why you get trained on meat carcasses.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I had to read the article to find out that this occured in Britain. Thae fact that this young man is being prosecuted there for defending his home and his life doesn,t surprise me. Britain,s legal system doesn,t incorporate any common sense and makes our legal system,as bad as it can be sometimes look well run by comparison.
Boffomet Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
all U.S. lawyers obey The Temple Bar in London.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
There is another possible angle to this story. If this was a woman defending her home from intruders I guarantee you no murder charges would be brought against her.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
HEY AMERICANS WORRY ABOUT OUR COUNTRY NOT THE UK LET THEM BRITS STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES LIKE WE NEED TO DO
October 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
AND PEOPLE HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION THE BRAIN IS REACTING DIFFERENT WHEN YOUR SCARED, ADRENALINE FLOWING WHO KNOWS IF THE TEEN HAD MASK ON WAS HE SUPPOSED TO ASK HOW OLD HE WAS B4 HE STABBED EM
EITHER WAY HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED…………………………… AND IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH SELF DEFENSE UR A LITTLE BITCH WITH NO SAK AND DESERVE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE IN FEAR OF EVERYTHING
THATS NOT A MAN YOU DONT DESERVE TO CALL YOURSELF ONE YELLOW BELLY COWARD IS MORE LIKE IT
October 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
the brits are used to being slaves, this boy will be forgotten after a few of the required daily pints at the pub
October 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
so what there saying is i can break into some one’s home and steal there stuff and get away with it becuase if the home owner harms me in anyway i can have him arrested man this sure is some free country “doing some illegal is not illegal but not doing something illegal is illegal” we sure live in one contredictive land but go figure it is our government who sets up the laws so i guess i can see why
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October 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
If I lived in the U.K, I would have a house full of man killing dogs!
BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
LMAO WTF …1/3RD? /…WHO CARES? MY KID IS 1/8TH BLACKFOOT ..YEAHHHHH BIG DEAL.
hawg jowels Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
BUT YOU SIR ARE 100% ASSHOLE.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I second Hawg Jowels, Why he hell did you need to say that? Bigot.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
HA HA! Here in Texas, a man’s home IS his castle. You enter my home without my express consent, and your next stop is the morgue. I am not going to wait for an intruder to attack me. I am going to protect myself and my family. If you are in my home without my consent, you are assumed to be a threat to my life and the safety of my family. If you are a burgler or home invader, chose another house, because you will die in mine. And I will not shed a tear…
Also, I do not care if your shitty childhood turned you to a life of crime. Everybody had a shitty childhood, so get over it…
Flyboy Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Ju Ju !!! My toughts exactly. We ned more “OLD SCHOOL” boys like you and I. Come into my domain and its a 12guage party for you. Keep up the fight my Friend !! 2nd Amendment is a BEAUTIFUL Thing !!
BobLeeSwagger Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Doesn’t TX have a law that allows land owners to cap someone’s ass if they’re on their property (not necessarily the house) after dark and they dont ID themselves and leave? We need more laws like that if its true. Forget breaking into my house, I see you on my land, Im gonna pop ya like a zit. That law would be one of the best deterents to two legged varmints and predators alike. That would bring about the kind of hope and change I could believe in.
John Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I keep loaded my Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum just in case
October 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
This was building up over time.. We have some of his facebook entires on the blog at http://931theparty.com/cc-comm.....le=6227589 he was lanning this, he got what he wanted..
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Thats a bad link or spam.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Well kids I got just 2 words from English Common Law for the trial of this fellow:
JURY NULLIFICATION!!!!!!!!
’nuff said.
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October 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
They should lock up the judge for being such a DUMBASS!
October 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
the fucking kid deserved to go to jail and fuck Infowars
BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
DFF DESERVES BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA!!
. Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 4:35 am
GO WORSHIP THE QUEEN BOOT LICKER!
October 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
The world more and more ridiculous day-by-day!
October 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
This is a ’shout out’ to CHUMP for his articulate and exceptional post. This is the reason I come here; to be lifted up by comments like these.
Great job CHUMP.
Prax
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
ME TOO I concur Chump, This fight is deadly real, we must be vigilant and we must have some damned common sense.
Mad Hatter Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
LOL
October 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
If I remember right at the start of WW2…the brits didn’t not have enough guns for their home guard
so Americans gave their privately held firearms to help out the people !
News flash!! if the stupid azz people in the brit gov had not disarmed their people we would not have had to pull their dumb azzes out of the fire! because Germany was about to invade!
The poor brits get the law they deserve because they are pussies!
John Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
That’s true – I my grandad red me about that. I guess UK never learnt
. Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 4:40 am
NO YOU ARE WRONG …..THEY WOULDN’T HAVE SHOT THE NAZIES EVEN IF THEY WERE ARMED…..THEY WOULD JUST HAVE SHOUTED AT THEM AND ASKED THEM TO LEAVE ….ASK ANY PERSON ON HERE FROM THE UK…..BOOT LICKERS
October 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
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October 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I do not care what anyone says, you break into my home I will blow your damn head clean off.
dan Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
No doubt about it!
October 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
One thing the “authorities” do not want is for the sheeple to begin to stand up and defend themselves. Once the sheeple no longer can be herded around and start to stand up for themselves again, the gov’t control and terror tactics will no longer work. Thus they will not allow defence of one’s self, home or personal property. Those that do must be punished and punished severly.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Let this be a lesson to everyone. It really IS better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
This won’t stop me from protecting myself and my property.
I’d much rather be alive and in jail than dead and murdered by some pathetic criminal.
JRegal Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Here here, better waiting for trial then on the morgue slab.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
When self defense becomes illegal, so does your right to live.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
If someone is in MY house, and I didn’t invite them in…no way am I going ask “Hey, what are you
doing in here?” No time for questions. Those that feel this was ‘murder’ is outta their mind. Those
kids weren’t there to see how they could help out the gal that lived there….or, the one wouldn’t have run off…right? This is ignorant…they were robbing the house.
Here in the US, there was an 83 yr old guy that heard some strange noises in his house, hours after going to bed. He gets up (shotgun in hand) and lo & behold…there stands this 18 yr old with this guys wallet in his hands, and he has a Louisville slugger leaned up against the kitchen counter.
Now, this old dude wasn’t about to ask “What are you doing here?” He knew why that kid was in his house….looked like easy prey. I praised that ole guy for pullin’ the trigger….that kid wasn’t gonna be nice about anything, or he woulda stopped by during the day…without a base ball bat.
They tried to charge this old guy with ‘unnecessary force’….it went NOWHERE!!!!! Good for him!!
You walk into someones home without being asked in…you deserve whatever the homeowner has in mind for ya…end of story.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
he got what he ask for i feel sorry that a couple of losers had to learned him that the hard way but if someone does break into ur home i suggest to do the same this kid did to defend his mom except no matter what you do DO NOT! call the cops especially on yourself the system is broken don’t expect simpaty from no one everyone is free as long as you keep that embedded into you all’s head and stop depending in some fake ass unrelaible gov.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
It’s murder if he had no reason to feel that his life or person was threatened… which he wouldn’t, if an unarmed teenager was rifling through his stuff.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Kids, these days, are really ballsy…think just because they’re underage that nothing is gonna happen to them. Guess again, Mary! I don’t care how old (or young) the person is….if they’re in MY home, uninvited….someone is gonna get hurt, or dead. The kid that ran off will more than likely try this stunt again….he’ll make sure to have back-up, again…..probably have a weapon
on himself….
The UK bans self protection…why? If blades are going to be banned, people need to have baseball bats or table legs handy….just have to get too close to the perp to defend yourself….
not cool!
Our system is pathetic, that would even try to prosecute a homeowner for defending themselves.
Now, they feel it’s OK to search your home (without warrant) take what they want, seize your bank accts, etc for absolutely NOTHING!!!!!! Very uncool….
People that aren’t even Police are being set up to go into folks homes for ‘inspections’…..I can see the writing on the wall…..anyone else see it?
October 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Another criminal is now the victim??? You Brits have to get up and stand by this brave young man defending his Mum and property. If you don’t, you are standing with the criminals. Your choice, make it be heard. Any young man defending his Mum with the odds against him is a hero in my book. Especially when most of the youth of today are disrespectful to their elders. Put some pressure on this. You as a people deserve the right to defend your own home and the defend the people/property of your family. That’s what a red blood male does, it is in his nature. It’s an unalienable human right. Even animals defend their family. It’s just common sense. Here in NYC people forget what happened to a young Brian Watkins defending his family from hooligans. Look it up Brian Watkins on the internet you will see what I am saying is true.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Just dump the body. The cops can’t find their own ass anyways.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Yah, this ‘nice young man’ was there to visit…no threat to this old guy….just happened to have a baseball bat with him (when he came to visit). Get real!
No way….I’ll ask questions AFTER I defend myself.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I’m sure kids see older people as prey, and figure “what the hell….we’ll just go & rob them, ‘cuz they’re old and won’t do anything.” Kids think these old folks would never think of hurting anyone. Maybe if this was 1956….it’s a far different world ….the old folks know what time it is…they understand these kids are bold (and stupid).
October 29th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Poor BRITISH PEOPLE THE HAVE BEEN SET UP BY THERE OWN GOVERNMENT OF CRIMINALS, ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE EVIL GOV. OVER THERE HAVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE BY THE BALLs Thank YOU ALEX JONES AND THANK YOU LEO ZAGAMI FOR GIVING US THE TRUTH ABOUT THE EVIL NWO IN THE USA. VIVA USA AND VIVA EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES MAY GOD BE WITH US ALL IN THESE HARD TIMES. LATINOS SI SE PUEDA WE MUST UNITE WITH EVERYBODY WHOSE WILLING TO DEFEND THE US CONSITUTION AND ITS PEOPLE ITS BETTER TO PRAY AND ASK FOR GOD HELP MAKE SURE ITS A PEACEFUL REVOLUTION BUT DEFEND YOURSELFS IF ATTACKED AMEN LONG LIVE ALEX JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AND OF COURSE JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!ALPHA AND OMEGA!!!!!!!!GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!!!
October 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Well the court system still needs to make money!
October 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
This man is a hero for defending his home. I’ll kill all who threaten my home, and I’ll kill those who condemn me for it, for they deserve to die. I’ll die fighting, and I’ll take as many with me, for they were wrong to assail me, and surely the Valkyries will find me worthy of Valhalla.
October 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I’d like to know what would happen if burglars went into one of the people trying to convict this
lad’s home , would they take it in the rear ?!?
havingnoneofit Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
And they would tell you they liked it.
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 5:07 am
I’m afraid so !!!
October 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
That’s why if someone broke in my house, they would be leaving in trash bags.
October 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
To all of you reading this story: if this happens to you, throw the dead body in the trunk lined with plastic and dump it in the woods somewhere. Then if any cops show up you say “no officer, no one tried to rob me.
ih8zionistjewwwws Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
LOL….. i agree 100 %. fuck the law, the law is aimed always AGAINST YOU, the citizen. the real terrorist are those working in congress, whitehouse and the law makers. all of them deserve death. i would kill anyone entering my house only thing is i have a glock 44. kill the body and dont even report to the terrorists who are the police.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
i had this happen to me right here in the states you are not allowed to defend your self and i went to jail for it thay told me in court i had no right to defend my self at all i told them thay were nuts and thay charged me anyway you have no rights here at all.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
That young man was defending his home and family. That judge should be flogged.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
So the police are charging Roberts with murder? I think Roberts better start laying charges down against the police such as defimation of character, missrepresentation of the law and abuse of authority for starters.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
last time I called the Police, they took me to jail?
and then sent forms addresed to my spouse
inquiring if I was abbusive, and if I owned fire arms
and what kind, allong with other personel inquireys,
some money came up missing, and the wife is
a holy roller preaching to tweakers ect.. and brings them to the house
i thought i would let the sheriffs deal with the problem, guess
I was wrong, I was calm as a cucumber when the police showed up
never made a threat, I just wanted justice, and I got the shaft,
I cant imagine what kind of crap I would be in, if i would have
been home and assaulted (with extreme force) the theif.
we are not to far behind the brits here in sunny Arizona
October 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Why did we save these people from the fascists and the communists? Anyone?
October 29th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
when he ran out he was not in danger , so thats why hes charged he went back ..killed a kid….
October 29th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
If the residents are being attacked you have every right to use deadly force on the suspects. However If the suspects are fleeing it can be considered murder. Pathetic isn’t it?
October 29th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Tyler is actually the white kid in the photo; Omari is black I think. I wonder why the picture of Tyler was used — to make you think HE was the one who is being prosecuted? Strange. I bet if the black man was pictured people would be saying something differently about all of this.
Mac-101 Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
The majority of people that read ALEX don’t care what color either of these people were. Simple fact, break into someones house, stick around, you die. I, and I believe most others, don’t give a damn who was what color. If you do you’re a loser and a racist!
October 29th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Yes it’s true the kid thougtht he was a hard man,all the boys try to be gangsters in england.He used to swim at the same pool as me in nottingham about 5 years ago.Kids here are used to getting away with burglary especially if they are under 17 and classed as a minor.He had a big mouth on him which i experienced a few times.This happened a quarter mile from me in nottingham.In the UK it’s all about “reasonable force” which means if a burglar has a knife you can grab a knife.So long as you knife isn’t as big as his knife otherwise this would not reasonable.If you have a knife and he has a stick you will be charged with murder.There was a case where a guy had committed 600 offences including burglary but the judge released him because he said he will be good now.They also gave him and his girlfriend a new house.Welcome to england!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-home.html
L.A Reply:
October 29th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Yeah.. thats pretty bogus.. what the fuck are you supposed to, ask the intruder to please provide a list of all possible weapons on his person ? I say, if you go in somebody’s house like that, you deserve what you get.
limey Reply:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
You are right,even worse in the dark you can’t even see what your attacker
is carrying.Make the wrong apraisal of the burglars weapon and it’s possible
to get life in prison as response is not judged to be reasonable.The
government here would not even allow soldiers to carry their rifles even in
the war,on return to england they had to be handed in and recollected on
leaving for battle.That is how much the british government trusts it’s
people.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Free this man. He did what he had to do to protect himself and his family.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
poor kid hope you all die of bowlcancer
October 30th, 2009 at 12:51 am
wages of sin is death Gift of GOD is everlasting LIFE
October 30th, 2009 at 12:58 am
Simmilar thing happend here, a farmer caught two young thiefs robbing his home, and he shot one of them. he was later imprisoned. He actually got a higher prison sentence than the thiefs would have got, would they have threatend to stab or shoot him.
The message from the system is….We cant defend your homes, so you shouldnt either.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Somebody give that guy a medal. Those two delinquent twerps got what they deserved.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:52 am
so brittish people believe that the united states is a ‘rebel stronghold’? they also believe that the mark of a rebel is to defend your home? lets state this in logical formate: a patriot is a man who is loyal to a nation that has laws that a man is not to defends his home or his family against intruders. Only a true nation has such laws. a patriot obeys any law his government gives him no matter how ridiculous or harmfull to self or neighbor those laws may be. having any inclining to this mindset would only spell out that you have given up on life itself and by no mean should you be listened to on any subject what-so-ever.
the whole conversation or statement along the lines of brittian calling the united states a ‘rebel stronghold’ is no better than a parent defrauding one of their children for that child succeeding beyond where the parent has succeeded. Or a parent becoming angry with a child for that child becoming more skillfull than the parent in exactly what the parent taught the child to do. Or better yet, an elderly parent spitting food into the face of their child because that child honors that parent in trying to feed that elderly parent.
not only the logic of this twisted mind set makes my head spin but, explaining it is absolutely mind boggling
October 30th, 2009 at 5:01 am
This is in some ways also talking against itself .
i know they were young and his parents must be outraged with their sons death, tho its more or less the parents of the dead kids fault he died, not watching him at that age and apparently not really caring.
anyhow, had he been alittle older, out of job and out of options, cus of the crisis, its whats people are gonna do, and more people are gonna do it.
Dont fight eachother, fight the system :-/
October 30th, 2009 at 5:03 am
On second thought , people should stand together and rob the larger banks, take back what they deserve .
October 30th, 2009 at 6:56 am
How can he be charged with Murder? Murder implies deliberate, considered intent to kill. If there was a break-in and a struggle then surely this is manslaughter?
October 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am
EVERY house , or home should have a plaque or notice on the walls and near the doors and windows stating:
” Any persons attempting to gain unlawful entry without the owners permission is liable to suffer injury , possibly even death. No fault will be placed on the owners nor legal tennants residing in the property should any injury or death be as a result of unlawful and unpermitted entry. Consider this warning and if persons unlawfully attempt to gain entry even though this warning is given in plain sight and easily identifiable, actions ‘unfriendly’ to the unlawful unpermitted entrant may be forthcoming .
Continuing to gain unlawful entry constitutes acceptance of this warning and repercussive actions by the owners or legal tennants may ensue and charges against the owners or legal tennants will not be applicable in a court of law.”
Something along these lines may deter would be intruders except the really stupid.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am
What happened to the right to defend your family’s home? He should not be charged with murder.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Heres a better example of Criminals breaking in and getting shot. http://aztlan.net/minutemen_murders_911_call.htm But you won’t hear about this one because its politically incorrect.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The State’s first duty. telegraph newspaper UK
Successive governments have conspicuously failed to discharge that duty: more people than ever are being assaulted in their own homes, and having their property burgled. Worse, the laws that governments have passed have punished citizens when they have tried to make up for that failure by asserting that right for themselves.
A citizen who discovers that his house has been broken into can face prosecution and a life sentence if he tries to protect himself, his family and his property by tackling the burglar.
Early last Wednesday morning, Robert Symonds, a 45-year-old teacher with two young children, was woken by the sound of a burglar breaking through his front door. Mr Symonds went to investigate. He confronted the burglar. In the ensuing struggle, the intruder stabbed Mr Symonds in the chest. He died a few moments later. The murderer fled, and is still at large.
There is little doubt that had Mr Symonds taken a knife, and plunged it into his assailant’s chest, it is he who would now be facing prosecution for murder. The law indeed states that a home-owner can use “reasonable force” to protect himself and his property from an intruder. But no one knows what “reasonable force” is.
When this newspaper asked the Home Office to define the term it replied: “There is no definition of what ‘reasonable force’ is. The law doesn’t go into that detail.” If the Home Office does not know, how can the poor householder decide what is reasonable?
The effect is that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is deciding – retrospectively – whether a home-owner’s reaction was reasonable and legal or unreasonable and illegal. And the CPS can take a very restrictive view of the definition of reasonable force. In September last year Brett Osborn, for instance, was charged by the CPS with murder after he stabbed a blood-stained intruder who had forced his way into the house where Mr Osborn was chatting with two girls.
The intruder attempted to assault one of those girls. It was in an effort to protect her that Mr Osborn got involved in what proved to be a fatal struggle with the intruder. Faced with the prospect of prison for life, Mr Osborn, on advice from his legal team, pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He is now serving a five-year sentence.
Tony Martin, the Norfolk farmer who shot two intruders, killing one and wounding the other, actually received a life sentence for trying to protect his home. He was only released after the Court of Appeal replaced his conviction with manslaughter on the grounds of diminished reponsibility.Because of public outcry……
The law as it stands puts the home-owner defending his property and the burglar violating it on exactly the same footing: anyone who, in the course of defending his home, kills or injures the criminal invading it, is treated in the same way as the criminal.
The intruder can even sue the home-owner for damages if he injures himself climbing over the home-owner’s fence, or if a punch from the home-owner leads to an injury. But if a home-owner kills a burglar the onus is on him to prove that his use of force was reasonable.
This is presposterous. Those who break the law – as John Locke, one of the earliest proponents of natural rights, pointed out – do not have the same rights as those who keep it.
A burglar who invades another’s property, said the great 17th-century philosopher of liberty, loses his automatic right to the same legal protection that is due to the honest citizen: his decision to violate the rights of another means that he has put himself outside the standards and norms that entitle an individual to assume that any violence against him will be viewed by the authorities as a criminal offence.
British law needs to be changed to recognise that obvious truth. A law that assumed that a home-owner was entitled to take whatever measures he felt necessary to repel an intruder would not only be fair and just. It would also dramatically cut the rate at which homes were burgled.
The United States has a far lower rate of domestic burglary than the United Kingdom. The reason is simple: home-owners are entitled to take whatever measures they believe to be necessary to protect their homes. Burglars know that if they break into a house, they risk being killed by the home-owner. That is a very effective deterrent to burglary.
In many parts of the United States, police response times are as long as they are in Britain – yet home-owners are content to leave their doors and windows unlocked, because the likelihood of burglary is so low.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
Don’t go breaking into peoples’ homes and you won’t get stabbed. Seems like a pretty simple idea. When you made the decision to burglarize, you run the risk that you may be killed in the process of doing so.
I don’t care what country this case happened in, the principle is the same: Don’t go around burglarizing homes and you won’t get stabbed
November 5th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I have long time played baseball, but now i am a certificated baseball coach. I agre with your article, you provided some good points for later discussions.
November 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Break into a home in my part of the country and you better be wearing kevlar.
People in the Uk make me laugh…
You brits are a joke.