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Child Abuse by the Government
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Steven Greenhut
Lew Rockwell
February 20, 2008
What kind of society rips a 17-year-old autistic boy from his loving home and places him in a state-run mental institution, where he is given heavy doses of drugs, kept physically restrained, kept away from his family, deprived of books and other mental stimulation and is left alone to rot?
Certainly not a free or humane one.
Yet that’s exactly what has happened to Nate Tseglin, after a teacher called Child Protective Services, the county agency charged with protecting children from many forms of abuse and given power to remove children from their family homes in certain circumstances. The teacher reported seeing self-inflicted scratches on Nate’s body and complained about the doctor-approved arm restraints his parents used to keep Nate from hurting himself. Nate remains in Fairview Developmental Center (formerly Fairview State Hospital) in Costa Mesa, labeled a danger to himself and others, while his parents fight a lonely battle to bring their son back home.
Isn’t there anyone out there who can help them?
After the complaint, social workers intervened and decided that the judgment of a psychologist who examined Nate’s records but never even met the boy trumped a lifetime of treatment and experiences by his parents, Ilya and Riva Tseglin. Without prior notice, “the San Diego Health and Human Services agency social worker, with the aid of law enforcement, forcibly removed a struggling and terrified autistic boy … from his home, while his mother and father, who are Russian Jewish immigrants, and Nate’s younger brother stood by helplessly,” according to the complaint the parents, who have since moved to Irvine to be near Nate, filed with the court.
The forced removal came after the Tseglins came to loggerheads with the government over Nate’s proper treatment. The parents are opposed to the use of psychotropic drugs and argue that Nate has had strong negative reactions to them. They point to success they’ve had with an alternative, holistic approach that focuses on diet and psychiatric counseling. The government disagreed, so it took the boy away from home and initially placed him in a group home – where he had the same negative reaction to the drugs that his parents predicted would happen.
Of course, once social workers are involved in a family, they are reluctant to relinquish their power – something I’ve found in every Child Protective Services case I’ve written about. And even though the court determined “the evidence is clear that the parents have always stood by and tried to help their son,” the court sided with the government. That’s another common theme from these closed family-court proceedings – the social workers’ words are taken as gospel, and the parents are treated like enemies and given little chance to defend themselves.
The details are complicated and discouraging. But, essentially, the parents were cut out of any decision-making regarding their son. They were given only short visits with him. After he ran away from the group home, the government transferred Nate to a mental hospital. The Tseglins say the drugs the hospital gave Nate caused him to have a “grand mal” seizure, and his health has continued to deteriorate while he languishes in a government mental facility. When they visited him over the summer, they found his face swollen. He faded in and out of consciousness and was suffering from convulsions. They believe he has been beaten and are worried about sexual abuse, given that he is housed with the criminally insane.
The Tseglins claim Child Protective Services has told them they have the “wrong set of beliefs” and even threatened to force them to undergo court-ordered psychological evaluation. The agency at one point suspended the parents’ visitations as a way “to assist them in coming to grips regarding their son.” The Tseglins, as former citizens of the Soviet Union, have good reason to be fearful of the authorities. But they tell me that they experienced nothing of this sort in the former communist nation. If their descriptions are correct, then the Soviets weren’t the only ones who know how to create a totalitarian bureaucracy.
The family’s legal argument is persuasive:
“Riva and her husband have cared for Nate, in their home, for his entire life, until he was dragged kicking and screaming away from his parents. … The court found that it was very impressive that the parents ‘were able to maintain Nate in the home for the better part of a decade when he was having some severe behavioral difficulties.’ … The court found further that when the parents put Nate on a ‘more holistic approach’ and ignored the professional opinions, that ‘for a period of time, Nate responded very well to that.’ Even though Nate subsequently deteriorated, the court found that he fared no differently using the more traditional medical approach.’ …
“In short, this case turns on value judgments, such as whether it is preferable for Nate to be maintained in his own home, subject to occasional physical restraint, surrounded by the love and devotion of his parents and brother, or whether Nate should be placed in a locked facility, subject to occasional physical restraint and constant chemical restraint, surrounded by strangers and a burden to the California taxpayer. … The real issue in this case is that the agency and some medical personnel believe their opinions regarding Nate’s treatment are better than the parents’ choices, and have sought the judicial intervention to override the parents’ decisions regarding their son.”
In a free society, individuals and families get to make those judgments and decisions. As the Tseglins argue, “Riva has a right to raise her child, Nate, free from government interference, as long as he is not at risk of physical, sexual or emotional abuse, neglect or exploitation.”
Sure, the state can and does intervene when parents are accused of abusing or neglecting their children. There are many problems and injustices even in those cases, but at least it’s understandable when the government intervenes to protect a potentially threatened child. But in this case, the state is simply saying that it knows best, that no matter how diligently a boy’s parents have worked to provide the best-possible care for him, that officials get the final say. And the government’s choice of mandatory incarceration seems harsh and cruel, which shouldn’t surprise anyone, given the basic nature of government.
At last check, autism is not a crime. It’s time to free Nate Tseglin and return him to the love and care of his parents.
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February 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
It was probably the vaccines that made their son autistic in the first place.
Nowaday CPS will sometimes take your kids if you refuse the vaccines, then when you do get them, they will take your kids anyways when they become autistic and you don’t buy into their drugs to fix the problems their original drugs caused.
What a scam and a joke… and as far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the CPS workers and the kangaroo family court judges are nothing but a bunch of scumbag kidnappers.
If things don’t change soon, I’m sure people like that will just be killed as they are “genetically inferior” or whatever other stupid bullshit term they come up with.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I’d make a comment, but Jason already made it for me. Thanks.
February 21st, 2008 at 8:57 am
What better way to cultivate a society of intelligent, responsible, educated, law-abiding citizens than have the professionals raise our children rather than those incompetent amateurs known as “parents”. Heil, Heil, Heil!
February 21st, 2008 at 9:37 am
Biological parents are “dangerous”. Especially ones who are into wierd stuff like, infowars. The State is more than happy to take your children, and bind you with red tape, over ACCUSATIONS. Now you can’t help but wonder, who decided this was Law? Who empowers CPS to steal these children, without having to prove child abuse to a jury?
“Johnny fell off his bike.”- NO. Johnny was probably ABUSED. Let’s take Johnny, and well find him a good home, where he can be molested, and beaten, and used. We have a wonderful list of foster parents who are welfare checkers, drug addicts, physically and emotionally abusive, Satan worshippers, and child molesters. And your CPS case worker gets a nice commission bonus for every child stolen from the NWO government.
http://www.freeourkids.com
Check out victims of CPS in Florida under Jeb Bush.
February 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am
That’s a tragedy if I ever heard one….I’m a loss for words after reading that, makes my stomach turn….Jason summed it up very well, Vaccines definitley play a major role in the increase of autisic children…my girlfriend and I have a one yr old son, and she is (or was) a bit paranoid that he may become autistic, which is somewhat natural being a young mom, you always worry about things like that, so I bought her one of Jenny McCarthy’s books on autistic children because Jenny too has an autistic son. She has been extremely successful with helping her son overcome the disease, not by using the drugs provided by the state, but by doing exactly EXACTLY what Mr and Mrs Tseglins were doing, showing their child unconditional love and attention, with a healthy diet. That’s all it took for Jenny, and her son has improved tremedously….yet, the state knows best….my god, our world gets worse with every passing moment
February 21st, 2008 at 9:52 am
when the revolution starts, we’ll tie these people down and injesc them with any drugs we can find, and if you cant find any, bleach will do.
February 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
I see you are living up to your name SIMPLEMAN. Because you are truly simple.
And here’s a hint. That’s not a compliment.
February 21st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I’ve done a lot of work with autistic children. I have seen many of them make great behavioral progress by using a recreational therapy approach. I find it horrifying that the government would do this to that family. Nate apparently wasn’t in an abusive environment, but he certainly is now.
February 21st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
commission for CPS is about the dumbest thing ive ever seen on the internet. dont say if its not true.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:55 am
Did a doctor even see this child? Oh wait!
Yeah one did, and gave some arm restraints… What did the stupid teacher do? Call CPS because she disagreed? Seems to me that autistic kid has more viable brain than the teacher…
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 am
The point to this all is that the government can do anything that they want with your children. The children that you birth and raise and love are chattel.
States are filling their coffers with federal money that they receive for stealing children from families and putting them into the foster care system.
I have been researching CPS corruption for several years now and I have read horror story after horror story. Sickening, sadness that would bring anyone to tears.
CPS consistently does the wrong thing for the child. Children are taken from the good parent and handed over to abusive ones. Children are taken from good parents and put into foster care.
The foster care system does have some noble people but, it appears that they are far and few between.
Statistic show that some foster care children go through as many as 70 homes until they age out of the system. Everybody gets paid and everybody gets a piece of the kid. The children are living out of garbage bags (as in suitcases for the poor).
Foster parents no longer foster out of nobility or a need to nurture. NOW IT IS FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. With the dollar incentive, creeps are cambering for a piece of the action. Not only are they getting paid to foster, they are getting paid to abuse, neglect, rape and murder.
The system is filled with workers who themselves are abusers. See the papers about social workers who also like a little piece of the waif. Whether its a little segway to and from the courthouse in order to rape a child or a computer filled with child pornograhy, workers are taking advantage of once innocent children.
You can look at most any newspaper and read the stories.
I would please ask you all to spend a few minutes and do a simple search on CPS corruption. You will be shocked at what is going on. Good families all over this country are being destroyed and their children end up abused and murdered.
Our politicians will not stop the holocaust.
Do not get me wrong when I say holocaust, that is what I mean because that is what it is.
STATES ARE BEING PAID SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EVERY CHILD THAT THEY STEAL.
CREEPS IN TURN GET THE LIONS SHARE OF THAT MONEY TO DO THEIR WILL WITH YOUR CHILDREN.
If you do not think that this can happen to a child that you love, think again.
I like many of you thought that if CPS was involved with your family, the child must certainly be in danger.
How wrong I was.
It appears that CPS is intentionally going out of their way to destroy the family and its children and they are awarding the spoils to derelicts.
The only way to stop it is that if YOU, the good folks, stand up and demand reform.
I invite anyone who has a horror story with the system to contact me. My goal is to unite people in order to become one loud in their face, unstoppable reform movement. Only public opinion and public outcry can make the change.
please contact me, this is a good fight!
calling_for_angels@yahoo.com
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Let me just say that I was diagnosed autistic at age six.
In reading this story, I can clearly say from my own experience that those ’social workers’ are going to hurt that kid worse than he’s hurting himself. Self-inflicted scratches is not a good sign no doubt, but that’s tactile stimulation that autists crave. From banging their heads on walls to constant movement (and yes, I do both here or there), it’s a form of ventilation. You stop it, all hell breaks loose. And that’s clearly what these ‘workers’ don’t get.
On top of all that, you’re putting that kid in an environment where he’s vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse.
It’s truly a tragedy in all forms. Whether he is released to his family or not, this is clearly the threshold to one of the darkest chapters in his life. I’ve been there.
Keep him in your prayers.
bursitis2004@yahoo.com
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Don’t pray for him! Bust him out of there!
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
The other day, a chiropractor , call in guest, came on the AJ show….He started talking about the miricals that have been occuring when an over vaccinated and drugged Child goes on the program to EXTRACT these heavy metals ( mercury, etc ) from Their precious little bodys by the means of CHELATION THERAPY ….I was like, OMG ! FINALLY !!!! Unfortunately, He barely got 2 words of this THIS VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE out of His mouth when he got an “i appreciate the call” and hung up on.
PLEASE google the findings of Dr. Rashid Butar….so that there will be no REASON for these thugs to be snatching Our Children….
Thanks for the wonderful letter Martha….close but no cigar
The best thing for a Parent who has “awakened” is to realize that they have been duped into allowing the eugenicists to poison their Child and …than….it seems LOGICAL and RIGHT to just go ahead and invest in some SACRED herbs to EXTRACT these poisons so that the Child s no longer tormented by them, instead of buying them “special phychriatric help” or maybe video games or other dangerous “toys”……DUH !!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:02 am
Here’s a thought, what if memebers of the Patriot movement just volunteered to become foster parents and take in kids who got CPS’d. Would this even be possible? This would seem like a way to mitigate some of that damage. Or is there certain things that is required like you must agree to put the children on drugs when they are put into your custody or is it really just state ownership of the kids and the foster parents basically “get the lease” so to say?
Perhaps someone could clear this up as to why “We the People” can’t fight back by turning the system against itself.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Guys, I know this is trampling on sacred ground in the conspiracy world, but autism is not caused by vaccines. If you believe that, you have to believe in global medical conspiracy, because huge studies, involving tens of thousands of children- half vaccinated, half not- all clearly shoe that the vaccines to do increase rates of Autism. There is some evidence of environmental toxins possibly being implicated, but this is a red herring. Alex has fankly, no idea what he’s talking about.
And yes, I work in the field working with Autistic kids. I know the die hards will never remit, but while you guys are busy imagining it’s the vaccines, there’s a real cause out there going undetected, and the Sane World could use your help finding it.
Less rhetoric, more science, folks.
Peace.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
pardon my typos (multitasking…)
The evidence clearly shows the vaccines do not cause Autism. Not one study to date has supported that hypothesis, and like I said, there have been studies with as many as 70,000 children…
Before you cry foul, try reading the actual studies for yourself.
And then , we can focus on finding the REAL culprit.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Question a marine. If I knew you were running a test, I would send an untampered batch for the test. Vaccines are tainted periodically, to limit detection. The same as when people get tested for aids. Some times they inject you with the virus, sometimes they don’t. Keeps the sheep guessing. Also, if they do get caught, they can claim contaminants must have accidentally leaked into the system.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
got any evidence to share?
no one has ever said there was “tampering”. the alleged culprit is the preservative, thimerisol, which is a derivative of mercury, and no kind of secret.
the 70,000 kid study was in Japan….half got it, half didn’t, and there was no difference in Autism rates.
same results every other study done, too.
I thought the hypothesis was pluasible, but so far, there is literally no evidence at all to support it.
but I’m all ears!
February 25th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Question a marine. Prison planet has a vaccine archive, check there. The corporate media doesn’t tell people that aspartame, msg, and flouride are harmful either. I would question who is running the “tests” your getting your feedback from.
Same as 911 truth. Who do you believe, Popular mechanics? Or the hundreds of scientists and proffessors at http://www.patriotsquestion911.com?
February 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Consider the coming budgets cuts in California….Most Schools are very lazy in finding ways to teach special education children. In fact they love to “dump” the problem kids on the county and state systems. Alot of these teacher/School source CPS actions are based upon circumstances where the school has something to gain from the removal of the child….one less problem to fund and deal with! CPS was supposed to be an agency to protect kids from molestation and real neglect, not invade and remove based upon just somesone’s say so. Big problem here is the low mental qualification of these workers, the god awful conditions seen in real abuse drive off any normal folks from the profession. The whole CPS thing needs an enema.
February 25th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Gabriel-
I don’t ‘believe’ an of them. I’ve read the actual studies….I’ve also read actual studies clearly demonstrating the risks associated with over use of flouride…in that case, there are tens of thousands of people, with science on their side, aruguing the case that it is harmful- among them, reputable scientists, including nobel prize winners.
Contrast this with the vaccine/autism folks…for whom there is literally zero science to support their hypothesis. I’ve read everything the conspiracy community has to say about it, including what is on ALex’s site, and there is no hard science to back it up. Nor is there any reason for me to suspect foul play on the part of the multiple agencies across the globe who have done the research. In fact, we now now that the changes of brain structure associated with Autism begin well in advance of the child receiving the controversial vaccinations.
We also know from the diverse pattern of brain abnormalities that there is no way we are talkign about a single cause; if they all had mercury poisoning, this would not be the case- the pattern of injury would be more consistant.
And a word to the wise about chelation therapy- lots of evidence out there to prove it to be dangerous (just killed an autistic boy doing it recently, they did)…and ZERO data to prove it useful for people with Autism. It’s dangerous, and unproven. People are cashing in, unscrupulously, on the desperatoin of parents, and it sucks.
Science is your friend, and you can do it yourself. Remember that.
February 26th, 2008 at 4:26 am
This kind of shit is a long, slow societal provocation. People will begin to coalesce around this issue (and these KINDS of issues), that is the State stealing our children, and begin bombing government buildings and gunning down Congress (hey now, THERE are some ‘useless eaters’ HAHA). Ahhh, success…why is THAT success? They WANT us to revolt, so they can suspend the constitution, declare martial law, bring foreign troops onto our soil. Then you will have a group of clergy who don’t REALLY know the bible telling us to ’submit’.
February 26th, 2008 at 5:26 am
The little fucking cock suckers,hope the authoritys die of cancer. Every politican and social workers, Child Protective Services maggots that work there fuck off and die.
February 26th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
My god.
My. GOD.
What the hell is wrong with my country? Not only are Bush and co idiots, but everyone is! Has someone written a petition about this yet? Cause if so, I wanna sign it!
This kind of treatment is bullshit!
Wake up you stupid sheeple!
February 26th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
As a parent who has seen my child healed from vaccine induced autism thanks to safe, natural diet and alternative choices I can say with certainty these parents were the ONLY chance this kid ever had to a sense of any real love, normalcy, and dignity. I do not care what “Questionamarine forhisservices” says…he hasn’t a clue and it’s obvious he hasn’t done any REAL research into the corruption around vaccine approval boards alone. When we have the fox guarding the hen house we will never ever get a semblance of a so-called truth or any so-called “safe” product coming from mainstream medicine. He is only right about one point…no- it is not just mercury in question here with vaccine issues. Aluminum in vaccines is equally neurotoxic and when coupled with mercury they cause far more damage to the brain stem cells and developing organs and immune system of the child. Even then they could take out all the mercury and aluminum and we still wouldn’t have any product that should ever be injected into innocnet babies. Look into the dangerous adjuvants and the mutated viruses they are creating. You will not find those strains natural in the wild anywhere.
In 1984 children were given maybe 10 vaccines…by 1994 that number more then tripled to well over 32 vaccines. Today’s children can receive as many as 52 vaccines before the precious brain developing age of two. Just how many neurotoxins do we think these developing brains can continue to take before we get it that this country is already in an epidemic covered up explicitly by our own government who has given blanket liability protections to the very companies causing all the harm?
How many children will be enough? How MANY? For us ONE was enough and we are fed up with the bogus crap junk sciences, the phony doctors who sign off on studies they never participated in and the sell out doctors who are holding patent rights on the very vaccines that they serve on vaccine boards to then vote for the approval of.
This sick government is doing all it can to strip our rights to refuse their forced toxic drugs and vaccines…but they have the nerve to then turn around and hand us the child THEY just damaged and say ok…now YOU deal with what we created here. Enough already. We are fed up and we will never ever be silent again to this genocide happening. Do not be foolish enough to think your kid escaped this mess of damages. How these vaccine induced toxicity’s surface do depend upon other triggers and exposures..fluoride being top of that list, artificial sweeteners another. Place that damaged child into a toxic home filled with pesticides, chemical cleaners, and fill them with a chemical diet and there you go…those exposures pick up where the planted seeds of illness from vaccines started.
No, it is no surprise at all to see children who are taken away from toxic medicine and finally given pure healthy choices in diet and supplements start to show great improvements. Autism IS curable but once that child is thrown on brain damaging drugs they lose a huge percentage of their recovery. Once they are denied proper nutrition, they lose even more recovery. Each assault thrown at them from so-called “recommended” treatments coming form the very groups who CAUSED it- creates only one thing…a future patient for life for mainstream medicine thrown at the burden of the family to pay for it and tax payers.
Insurance says forget it we will pay nothing once vaccines are defined as the source of injury. Nice, they willingly pay for the injections but then say next to acts of GOD they will not pay for vaccine damages. You figure out that one because we had the thousands of dollars in bills to show for just what good insurance was…you find the truth in what they will pay for and what they will NOT pay for to see just what these insurance companies already know about vaccine damages as well.
BTW that child who died from “chelation” died because he received the wrong treatment. It was not the recommended chelation that has indeed helped thousands of children across this country. Children like my son who also recovered from using a form of chelation. This was a direct assault against a natural industry because they are the only real threat to this mainstream medical industry that sells sickness for future profits. Look it up yourself. Here’s the title for your search.
“Drug error, NOT chelation therapy, killed boy, expert says”
That story was awful and terrible to hear but it was not the chelation that has been safely used by many, many families to a great end result. Even though it wasn’t the right kind-Let’s say it was that right kind…ONE death and they want to can the whole thing? How many had to die before they pulled Vioxx? How many kids had to kill themselves after getting on antidepressants before they would merely add a black box warning??? You do the math.
Meanwhile it is estimated by Dr Len Horowitz who cites the CDC as his source that at least 800,000 are injured and killed by vaccines each year. You look into the real devastating results of toxic mainstream medicine and tell me why their drugs and treatments are killing more people then heart attacks, AIDs and cancer combined today? Tell me?? Mainstream medicine has officially risen to the number ONE killer of all Americans today…and we are supposed to just let the state take our kids and allow them to do even more harm??? Think again. Folks wake up.
This entire country had better wake up…there is a very real reason why this administration sealed all previous lawsuits about vaccine injuries…if they had nothing to hide, and there was NO proof in those cases, there would be no reason to throw them under lock and key and deny the public the right to use The Freedom of Information Act to access those records would there? If there was nothing to hide there would be no need to deny families their habeas corpus rights to an OPEN court, with a jury BEFORE being sent though many wasted months in a closed room to face a biased panel NOT of judges but filled with medical people connected to the drug companies who harmed their kids. I do not need another bogus study to tell me what my eyes saw in real life, to show me what my child had to suffer through NEEDLESSLY. We lived it. All for what? For greed and the purposeful creation of lifetime patients for a sick medical entity.
Who you chose to listen to will decide the fate of our future here. Some day we will all need these generations that we are allowing them to drug into zombies to care for US. Think about it…then start to get angry. Demand that under NO circumstance should any government ever be allowed to force drugs or vaccines on any US citizen. Under NO circumstance should any drug company EVER get government protections to kill, maim, and destroy hundreds of thousands of lives with no repercussions ever. If they face no serious liabilities for their actions they have zero incentive to ever produce anything remotely safe…why would they?
February 27th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Fed up with the lies, will you be at the 4th of July march? We need people like you there.
Heck, is ANYONE on this site gonna be there?
February 27th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Jason Grey…where is the march…who is sponsoring it and what is it about?
February 27th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Very disturbing pictures of possible child abuse, by government criminals, of kidnapped children.
http://www.johnnygosch.com/
This young man as an adult shows up at the white house as a reporter. And Bush eyes him up. The secret service records show him going into the white house, but no records of him leaving the white house.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Wow!
Go, Fed Up with the Lies! We need more people like you, with firsthand experience, to speak the truth about this death-dealing medical industry. I support you, and thank you for putting that all in a nutshell for us..
I am glad your son is recovering, I wish him and you the best.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
GITMO opened the door to torture and false imprisonment.
We allowed them to do it to others so it will one day be done to US.
.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
We were the targets all along. They needed the laws on the books, to be legal. These sheeple won’t wake up until it’s their testicles getting crushed.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
“The number of American children suffering from life threatening peanut allergies has doubled in the past five years and the number of Americans with food allergies has risen from 6 million to 11 million. This runs parallel with the doubling of asthma, learning disabilities, ADHD; the tripling of diabetes and a 200 to 7,000 percent increase in autism in every state in the U.S. during the past 20 years.
As more and more vaccines are mandated to prevent more and more infectious diseases in early childhood, more and more Americans are stuck on sick. So the pharmaceutical industry produces drugs and vaccines that medical doctors sell to patients to try to “cure” the chronic illness that vaccines and suppression of all infectious disease helped to cause in the first place. What a racket” BL Fisher [NVIC Nov 2004] Food Allergy Vaccine
February 27th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
One in 150 children are born with autism.
My son is one of them.
I have had Social Services come to my home and investigate
me and mine. because of the same type of behaviors.
Thank God that I did not have a case built or become supervised
by them.
This story breaks my heart and SOMEONE should step in and save ‘
that child from the government!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Dotty,
I am so sorry to hear you have been victimized again. As a parent of a child who was not born with autism, but regressed into autism due to vaccine assaults, I do understand how alone the families can become. Our son made a full recovery due to natural choices in healing, cleaning up diet seriously and clearing home and yard environment of all toxins. Still we home school him. The educational systems are seriously lacking for children who have special needs and those trying to recoup what they lost due to developmental regressions of induced autism.
These special organization do not need millions more thrown at them to become yet another scam organization saying they are searching for the cure like the cancer industry. We do have cures already and we have many healthy, safe choices in healing, that neither require us to sacrafice our child’s health, and mental faculties further, nor sacrafice our entire financial future. But those choices in real healing will never be found in the same medical industries that are causing the initial root causes of damage because they have a huge finacially invested interest in creating yet another huge sector of future patients for profits.
We never sued, when it was much easier to sue, because of the gag orders issued to families who won a dime. No matter how high the medical bills climbed and they quickly ran into the thousands via trying useless mainstream choices, that was a price we were never ever willing to pay…to allow these drug companies further rights to silence their victims. Our sons injury was not for sale at any price.
They continue to discover how these vaccines are altering our DNA. Therefore I highly suspect if we were to gather DNA from our great grand parents we would never find these so-called genetic connections to many of these illnesses they are calling genetic as seen in massive numbers in our children today. But it does make for great science fiction when they have the nerve to blame a family “gene” for an epidemic doesn’t it? That allegation in and of itself is quite the oxymoron isn’t it? How can an “epedemic” be genetic? How can thousands of families, non blood related, all over the world have children develop the same illnesses at the same time and it still be called “genetic”? They can’t and when people ask themselves that vital question they can easily discard the pathetic gene card they thrown out to add further needless guilt on families who have already suffered enough.
Finding more autistics today is NOT due to better diagnosis either. The symptoms of this illness are undeniable. A lay person on the street could not mistake my son’s autism when he was full blown into his illness. Much less a so-called trained doctor. But lets say that lie is true…where are all the millions of autistics in their 20’s, 30’s and 40’s that mainstream medicine says they missed due to poorer diagnostics? They wll not be found because they were not creating them yet. The high incidents rates of autism greatly rose in direct correlation to the introduction of multiple vaccines. Big surprise…yet they still say they are looking for the cause?
The SV40 cancer causing virus was “still” testing postive in polio vaccines just a few years ago. It was found in the brain tumor of a precious two year old toddler. Of course the government promised those cancerous cell lines lines were removed decades ago…just as they promised to “phase” out mercury while never once demanding a recall and allowing drug companies to still sell them and “voluntarily” remove them. Few know the so-called mercury-free vaccines are NOT mercury free. They STILL use mercury in the production of even so-called mercury free vaccines. They refuse to disclose this to the public because they “say” they remove it in the final process. If you have studied vaccines then you know once mercury is added it forms a permanent bond with the protiens of vaccines and thus can never be fully removed.
The mycoplasmas, adjuvants, aluminum, formaldehyde etal in vaccines are wrecking havoc on our children. I hope that anyone with a child who is already injured to the point of an autistic diagnosis never, ever, vaccinates their child again. They only greatly increase damages and futher diminish their child’s recovery rate with every vaccine and brain damaging drug they allow them to be given. That is why this case of the state kidnapping this child and throwing him on brain damaging drugs is criminal! They need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the laws to never EVER allow abuse of the system like this to ever occur again.
I refuse to allow these medical industries to continue to blame a family gene for what vaccines and environmental toxins coupled with dangerous mainstream brain altering medications ARE doing to our children. We never allowed them to drug our child. Not having him in a public school setting has removed all threats of them to trying to force such toxic drugging as well. It’s pathetic to me that I had to become home school teacher, doctor, and the only real advocate to help my child heal and find his precious mind again.
Billions are thrown to mainstream medical causes every year and not one dollar goes into prevention. Not near enough goes back to do the ultimate study of the truly UNvaccinated child as a control against the vaccinated. At least not in this country and it’s disgusting. They know what this would reveal…if we allow the damages to continue from these injected poisons and environmental exposures soon the public will forget what normal and healthy child looks and acts like.
They are already admitting 1 out of 150 will be diagnosed as autistic. Knowing they grossly “under report” vaccine injuries and deaths by estimates that range from 90% to as high as 99% we can see truer numbers to be closer to 1 out of every 6 children already today.
The epidemic has already arrived. Society can allow it to continue or they can demand they stop the genocide. Stop vaccinations. Stop water fluoridation. Ban toxic pesticides. Ban mercury amalgams. Ban artificial sweeteners, and antibiotic injections, toxic synthetic hormones they are loading our cattle up with. get the FDA and our government out of bed with the drug companies and out of any program of forced vaccinations and drugging of innocent children against their own parents rights.
Enough already! Believe me we already KNOW why our children are getting sicker with each generation and it is NOT in OUR genes. But there is a massive profit behind selling sickness in this country. Many new jobs for therapists who do not help these children rise up to their peers, they manage them instead and there is a difference, many, many profits from more new toxic drugs slated for precious little developing minds, many new programs and higher budgets for public schools. We have to Remove the price tag from our children NOW because they are priceless and we will need them in our own future just as much as they need us right now.
The homschooling program that does not advocate any drug use is called Little Giant Steps. They have greatly helped children with autism, apsbergers, OCD, ADD, ADHD, dyslexia, and downs syndrome. It works, it’s affordable, and anyone can learn how to do it. Look into nutritional supplements and whole organic diets free of sugar, wheat, and toxic dairy. These children can rise up to the promises of a great future if only given the right tools. To get the right tools all depends on just “where” we go for the answers. Our children are worth the time. They are worth the efforts. I refused to listen to the quack mainstream doctors who told us to look for an institution. I refused to listen when they said he would always be that way. He is no longer autistic with NO thanks to mainstream medicine but in SPITE of all their damages .
That is what breaks my heart most about this story of this family. They were on the cusp to real answers for their precious son and this sick system couldn’t stand it. they had to step in to ensure this child remained a permanent lifetime patient of profits for mainstream medicine. It will only stop when the people truly educate themselves and see what is really happening here. Go to the Whale site for a horde of information. It’s a start because a truly informed society can reverse these damages and reverse these draconian laws that allows the state to make their children common property to treat like lab rats. That has got to stop…here and now.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Dear Fed Up With The Lies,
Thank You Dear for this WONDERFUL and Heart rendering Letter….Dont mind questionamarineforhisservice …Him and his wife are banking off the behavioral therapy scam and have no intent to find a cure for the crippeling effects of vaccines…i hope they injoy their blood money, i hope it buys them many bobbles…
Chelation therapy WORKS, You bet Your bootys it works. I like Dr. Rashid Butar’s protocalls and have seen them help Children with autisim DRAMATICALY…Thanks again and CONGRAGULATIONS !!
February 28th, 2008 at 12:26 am
I think people facing this sort of problem should go get their boy and shoot anyone that tries to stop them!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Fed up with the lies, the march is at DC, this fourth of July, sponsered by citizens like you and me. I’ve talked to the man who’s doing it, and he needs all the help he can get. Contact me at jasonlethegrey@yahoo.com, and I’ll give you the e-mail. I don’t want him getting a lot of spam from posting his email here.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Jason_Grey I mean no offense here at all. Obviously I am interested in issues surrounding autism and getting real information out to the public. But I need to know a lot more then this about this march. I do not endorse any of the autistic groups who lean on the “mercury only” theory. That is a false front to give parents a false sense of security in many other equally damaging vaccine ingredients. Nor aqm I interested in any autistic groups associated with vaccines or drug manufacturers as part of their donations or recommended protocols for any treatments.
Making a long trip to Washington, at my own expense, requires more transparency in just who is involved in this march. Besides that, there is good exposure right here for this march. Is there a dedicated website to this information or is it being conducted solely through email of this one man? What is the exact purpose of the March? You can at least share that much in this forum right?
February 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Well, to be honest, I don’t know much about this march. I’ll give you the link to the thread I found about it, and I’m contacting the man again asking about making a website.
The march is for getting the truth out from the goverment. the Truth about oil companies, about 9/11, about drug companies, about everything.
here’s the link:
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/2830.....ington_D_C
And no offense was taken, I understand that you might be hesitant to do something like this.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Thanks Jason_Grey. I looked at the link. The effort is admirable but this is not a short trip from my location therefore to attend it would happen only due to consideration expense on my part. I would suggest the person organizing this concentrate on people who live in that area. Still very little is known about this person. It’s a shame that what could be an honest effort faces such scrutiny today but we do have to be careful of what efforts we join and how their own associations could effect us. I would gently propose he narrow down his scope of subjects. He appears to want to tackle Pandora’s box. Bringing just some of those groups together alone could result in fragmentation to go against any noteworthy efforts. Not to forget plants inserted into such efforts to bring about a scene. We do not need decent people to face repercaustions from the actions of plants who would go to great lengths to instigate more freedoms being lost. We have lost way too many freedoms as it is and I really wish I knew what the answers were here.
I wish him and you well in this endeavor. As of now I need to repectfully decline this invitation.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
i am very angry about this this poor kid is probaly going to be traumatised for life these maggots who did this should have a taste of their own medicine i myself went through the same thing when i was a kid i am also autistic these people [i use the term loosely]should NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO IMPRISON CHILDREN WHO ARE DISABLED!!! it infuriates me period they have been doing this for eons to disabled persons i am sick and tired of this b.s. disabled persons have every right to live without having to worry that some maggot is going to tell lies and put innocents into institutes.this has got to stop because maggots can do this if they dont like you or the way talk or look etc.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
These CPS pigs need to be restrained and drugged. What authority do these people have to just come in without even a warrant and just take this young adult out of his home? These Russian Jewish people came to this country to escape persecution and now must endure it here too. This is discrimination against autism and also against Jewish people, since the family were also accused of having “wrong beliefs”.