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Conflict Between Pakistan and India: Realizing RAND’s Plan for World War Three
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
December 26, 2008
According to the New York Times, Pakistan has moved troops away from its western border with Afghanistan while India has issued a warning to travelers to avoid Pakistan. “The redeployment came as Indian authorities warned their citizens not to travel to Pakistan given the heightened tensions between the two nations, news agencies reported, particularly since Indian citizens had been arrested there in connection with a bombing in the Pakistani city of Lahore,” the newspaper reports. The Associated Press quoted two Pakistani intelligence officials as saying that the Pakistani Army’s 14th division was being sent to Kasur and Sialkot, near the Indian border, and that around 20,000 troops were being redeployed.
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Pakistan’s troop redeployment comes on the heels of its warning India that it would face a “stern response” if it engaged in surgical strikes in response to the Mumbai attacks, now demonstrated to be a false flag attack. “Pakistan did not want war but is ready to defend its frontiers, Shah Mahmood Qureshi told reporters in his hometown of Multan. If India made the “mistake of carrying out a surgical strike”, Pakistan will deal sternly with such an eventuality. Pakistan has purportedly moved its tenth brigade to Lahore and ordered its third Armed Brigade to march towards Jhelum,” ZeeNews reported on December 25. “A lot of military movement is being noticed in districts just across the international border for the last few days, which is not normal,” said RC Dhyani, DIG of Rajasthan frontier BSF.
Analysts note that in the event of a war between the two nuclear armed nations, the Pakistani military would effectively abandon its part in the contrived U.S.-led GWOT and pull its troops away from the western border with Afghanistan, where they have been battling Pakistan ISI and CIA spawned militants, and deploy them on the eastern border with India.
“Pakistani Taliban militants have already said they would rally to help the Pakistani military in the event of war against India,” Reuters noted on December 24. “Public sympathy and support for militant groups would soar as they would be seen as national defenders against the ‘real enemy’, India.”
A war between Pakistan and India and Pakistan’s abandonment of the GWOT in its tribal regions would provide the U.S. with a near perfect pretext to attack targets inside Pakistan. Last August Barack Obama promised to launch just such attacks “with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region” and exacerbate any conflict between India and Pakistan.
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Earlier this year Nisar A. Memon of the Pakistan Muslim League-Q alleged in the upper house said that the U.S. plans to foment civil war and strife in order to break up Pakistan, according to the Pakistan Daily. “He urged the government to take cognizance of a research report by Prof Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research (Canada) which said that the recent regime change would be followed by a ‘deliberate’ political impasse. The report said that the political impasse was part of an evolving US foreign policy agenda which favored disruption and disarray in the structure of the state.” An earlier report by the CIA predicted a “Yugoslavia-like fate for Pakistan in a decade with civil war, bloodshed and inter-provincial rivalries as seen in Balochsitan.”
A conflict between India and Pakistan, however, has the potential to escalate far beyond mere conventional and civil war. “No conventional war between India and Pakistan will remain limited for long and will gradually lead to a full-scale war and ultimately to a nuclear conflict,” a study by a Pakistani defense official warned in 2004, Space Daily reported. If India conducts surgical strikes against Pakistan, explained the official, “Pakistan is not going to sit quiet. It will be an act of war which will not remain limited and it can escalate to a full-scale war and ultimately it can lead to a nuclear conflict if Pakistan’s national interests are threatened.”
Earlier this month J. Sri Raman reported on India’s fanatical Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh party and its call for nuclear war in response to the Mumbai attacks. Kuppahalli Sitaramayya Sudarshan, leader of the RSS, believes “there is no other way left” to deal with terrorism and “that this terrorism may ultimately result in a Third World War. And this will be a nuclear war in which many of us are going to be finished.”
“According to reports out of top Chinese mainstream news outlets, the RAND Corporation recently presented a shocking proposal to the Pentagon in which it lobbied for a war to be started with a major foreign power in an attempt to stimulate the American economy and prevent a recession,” Paul Joseph Watson and Yihan Dai wrote for Prison Planet on October 30. “The reports cite French media news sources as having uncovered the proposal, in which RAND suggested that the $700 billion dollars that has been earmarked to bailout Wall Street and failing banks instead be used to finance a new war which would in turn re-invigorate the flagging stock markets.”
A war between India and Pakistan may provide an ideal pretext for U.S. involvement in the region. “Reportedly, the RAND proposal brazenly urged that a new war could be launched to benefit the economy, but stressed that the target country would have to be a major influential power, and not a smaller country on the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq,” Watson notes. “The reported RAND proposal dovetails with recent comments made by Joe Biden, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright and others, concerning the ‘guarantee’ that Barack Obama will face a major ‘international crisis’ soon after taking office.” As noted above, Obama has made a point of mentioning Pakistan as a target of U.S. intervention.
It now appears a brewing war between India and Pakistan is precisely the sort of conflict imagined by the RAND Corporation to stimulate the deteriorating American economy. It will also provide a pretext to declare martial law in America and put the finishing touches on the New World Order’s high-tech surveillance state and control grid.
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December 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
What’s with Ron Paul touting the official 9/11 story? Thanks, Ron, for being a total douche and trashing 9/11 Truthers.
December 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
+++ Without Jesus Christ YOU will be totally and painfully and completely crushed by WHAT IS COMING! John3:36
December 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
what did ron paul say?
this has nothing to do with this artical and you are a total fucking douche.
just fuck off.
do you live in texas?
December 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I can’t figure out if these countries are pawns and don’t know it, or willing players.
December 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Ron Paul is another peon in the game .
WW3? what people don’t understand about chaos is that it is not controllable . The factors are too radical for anyone to predict what will happen Ubless of course it is not truly chaos .
This is the beginning India will probably drop a nuke on the pakistanis while they move towar the border. the worst will happen and it will be bad. I guess after every US depression there needs to be a war to save the economy forget paying everyone back lets just kill them all !!!
USA USA USA !
December 26th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
i think the indian isi are in the know and in cahoots with the cia
December 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Lovely Christian message,
Too bad it goes agains5t scripture my friend. The delusion you speak of is gripping the evangelical “Christians” in the form of the pre-trib rapture. Between Revelation, many key old and new testament verses, definitely Thessalonians I & II, everyone will go through the great time of upheaval and testing; The Tribulation or the end of days.
You are believing a lie, a particular theology created by two Jesuit priests. We all know the kind of evil creatures the Jesuits are, or at least we should. I won’t go deeply into the history but you really need to do some serious research before you go shouting a lie from the rooftops. You’re following a doctrine created in order to fool the people of Yahweh and conceal the Catholic church’s part in helping to usher in the man of sin.
Here’s some easy theology for you, Sunday school stuff:
When a human being dies do they go directly to places called heaven or Hell?
Answer: No.
The Scriptures teach that we “sleep” until the resurrection or the second judgment (depending on personal status) for unrighteous men and women. This is repeated and taught many times in both the old & new testaments. The common belief of heaven/hell immediately after death is seriously wrong and goes against the scriptures. Ignorance and deceit are the prime reasons for these beliefs.
Is it true that if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, regardless if you were a good person, i.e., helped people and cared for people more than for yourself, that you go to Hell?
Answer: No, you will not necessarily go to Hell.
Again, the scriptures teach three judgments for man, not two. The scriptures speak of disciples, or the Holy ones (meaning those who chose to forsake everything and follow Jesus, those that gave up all material possessions and lived as the 1st century church lived, property being owned for common use), righteous men who will be judged by their deeds, and the unrighteous wicked.
Actually read the Bible instead of listen to others regurgitate it back to you. If you acted more like Jesus Christ taught and less like a fundamentalist lunatic you’d probably have an ear for real truth. Sorry, life’s a journey and we learn through our mistakes and you’re making a big one right now.
I apologize for the religious/spiritual commentary but it isn’t good to let each other walk around like ignorant and self-righteous idiots, making the job easier for the other side.
December 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
stop with religion it’s all fake there were 40 different versions of jesus all with the same bs look it up
December 26th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I am DEFINITELY going to buy some ice cream before there is a run on the stores~!
Hmm, maybe I’ll pick up an extra roll of toilet paper while I’m there too.
December 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
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Please, show your support for those of us trying to make a difference.
December 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
THINK TANK PREDICTS NUCLEAR WAR BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN.
http://www.fas.org/news/pakist.....423-cr.htm
December 26th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
This is crazy……what’s so crazy about it is cnn and fox are only devoting a 45 second peice on it. Whatever india is planning I hope the usa stays out of it.
December 26th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Israel has promised a ton of new weapons and technology if they will attack Pakistan.
They want as much chaos as possible so they can come to the rescue and bring a NEW WORLD ORDER.
Jewish NWO = System of the Beast.
December 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Christianity = Blind faith in a man made book, with some feel good doctrine.
December 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Now things are coming to me crystal clear. Two populist nation having nukes, could wipe out tens of millions citizens on each other. This is insane. What hell is the US government leaders are thinking?? We must have some very evil people in high places in our government. Doesn’t anybody learn from history?? Why do people think they are smarter than the last generation? Nothing really changes. This reallyblows my mind. No wonder I can’t write worth a shit. Damn…
December 26th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
the nwo wishes to reduce the world population. what better a way than to have a nuke war in the middle east effectively wiping out them and potentially asia as well. not to mention the sickness deaths worldwide.
December 26th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
That is the pretense for some major population control. I seen this one coming quite awhile ago and this is exactly what will work for them in a next round. I think just the fear from a nuke attack between those two country would create a pretext for a lot of people worldwide approving of a NWO alignment.
December 26th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9bt3bmnsPY
i feel something ‘is happening here”. All we hear anymore is war and depression and Fear. You bet there is “Something happening here”.
December 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
The Almighty Jehovah (Yahweh) and the LORD Yeshua (Jesus) will be the only ones to save you. Guns, food, gold & silver will not you save you. Put your trust and faith, believe in the LORD for he is coming soon. I hope that all of you see the REAL truth before it’s too late and the next several months hell will break loose on earth.
It’s now or never.
God bless
December 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
and let me add to #21:
DON’T BE FOOLED when the false Christ shows up!
We’re going to get a Maitreya who aligns himself supposedly with Jesus Christ – the Satanists will go so far to fool us even using the name Jesus Christ.
The REAL JESUS IS “YAHUSHUA” – and he’s not coming until AFTER the Tribulation! Also, there is NO Rapture!
Christians everywhere need to wake up! Do not believe the lies of your “Super Churches”! Many of them will lead you astray. SEEK YAHUSHUA DIRECTLY. Read the Bible yourself, directly.
Become one of God’s NOW – time is very, very short. In 6 months, life will never be the same again!
God bless all of us!
December 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Nothing would surprise me in the “Bush Administration”.
Why would Congress act so fast in bailing out friends?
They have bankrupted this Nation and a lot of Americans.
A lot of study should have gone into these bad decisions.
The banks and GM have all the money they need to lend out at 3-33 %.
( That is on their own credit cards).
They are not loaning money until they get unbarrable interest rates.
Too hell with Joe -Q- Public.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-FYNBONg4 This explains why we have all this conflict in the most common sense way.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
I wonder if those nukes that Pakistan and India think they has even work. Who the heck sold that crap to them anyways?
I bet theyll has to fake it in the end. Half the sh*t they do is fake.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
i’m thinking india will fight pakistan
isrial will fight iran
united states will fight russia
what would other countries like china, uk and europe do if this was to happen. who would go to war with who.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
God helps those who help themselves! Be prepared. Those who prepare to survive,deserve to survive!
December 26th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Well Folks, looks as if they are setting the world stage for hell on earth! Good luck to you all when this breaks loose. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. May God be with us.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
No 13:-
What d’yer mean “Whatever india is planning I hope the usa stays out of it.”?
The USA (CIA), Mossad and MI6 STARTED IT!
December 26th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
oh man oh man oh man! how could we be so stupid!? science has done nothing for us but made us lazy, ignorant morons that dally diddle with their stupid logic and poor self control! what makes man think he can cradle science! HA! we will never grasp it to “better” mankind! politics have fucked us(what really makes you think YOU are going to be accounted for?..hm? no?) religion has installed in us ACCEPTANCE OF DEATH!! god truly wish for our death, so we may “join” him..(as we are now? he’s everything right? am i god? probably!) mankind has failed itself, we will bring the death upon us, nah, we beg for it! man will never redeem itself from the catastrophic hole! i hope everyone’s happy! you fucked it up for everyone else! freewill…BAH!
December 26th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
And this is why the economy is being intentionally destroyed, they need all the new unemployed people as cannon fodder for the these wars being provoked.
Everyone’s (middle class and lower) near future will either be as soldiers for the upcoming capitalist wars, or internment camps for those that are unwilling/unable to be soldiers.
http://www.advisingvideo.com/i.....orld-order
December 26th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
why not print the french article. or the rand article.
December 26th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
right on #21 now is the time to start a goog relationship with GOD the father and his SON Jesus for the time is close. the one world order is comeing and will be here before we know it. thoes that know Jesus as their personal saviour will survive those that dont him well????
December 26th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Agreed SHENK!! #21
I do not understand these people that do not believe in God. Are they blinded?
Complex cells, organs and veins neatly working together to sustain life. Complex heart chambers pumping blood feeding other organs energy to live.
More complex than a car engine. Can I make them believe that a car was created by nothingness? Some strange force with no sentient mind? I do not think that I could convince them of a car randomly being created. Man! I fear for them! What is wrong with them?
The elite believe in God but they joined satan thinking they can take him (GOD) down.
Such fools. Let’s get this over with already!! Let the kindom of Yeshua begin!
December 26th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Jesus ain’t gonna save nobody cause he ain’t real.
Many of Jesus words are outright lies. The rapture was expected to happen right after the cross. Every generation since then has expected the rapture.
Confusion then and confusion now. Who said god is not the author of confusion? RIGHT!
Christians on this board can’t even get their salvation/gospel story to agree.
Christianity is a huge joke.
December 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
#36 have you ever studied evolution and how the start of creatures on this planet crawled out of the primordial ooze?? I am just as awe stricken at how you believe some preacher that told you this is the way it is and you will believe it or you will be stricken down by GOD! You should take a class in Biology. The real issue, which you are missing is there could be a war in the middle East that could impact the whole world–wake up and smell the Napalm.
December 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
will this afect stocks at dunking doughnut?
December 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Pakistan has stepped outside the authority of the NWO, and must be brought back into the globalist fold.
The US military aint got the guts for a land war , so a war had to be started betw India and pakistan.
This is no doubt the first move…
Usa will attack from Afganistan from the air, and India will attack with infantry and air on pakistans opposite flank.
Pakistan will be caught up in a pincer betewwn the two powers.
But first, there will needed more justification for more war, so I’d predict more terrorist attacks on India, directally blammed on Pakistan, …..and when the time is right, “the war of Pakistani Liberation” will begin.
The bible says every nation except Jordan will fall under the control of AntiChrist…
Pakistan, China, Russia, Iran,, all will fall…
December 26th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
And since the government if India considers the government of Israe as its best bud, it is no wonder that it is caling for war against Pakistan. Please get the word out that Rand Corporation is pushing for WWIII. which will be nuclear.
December 26th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
#1, truth! now build a bridge to this site and the whole picture will come into focus. The very same people who rightly call a majority of Americans Faux News sheep are the very same sheep to this site.
hmmm….
December 26th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
#38 Purple Fart
I found it amusing that you told him to study “evolution”, as if “evolution” was true itself, when basically all it is a unproved theory and not a scientific theory as most atheists would like to believe and convince other people. A scientific theory is a theory that you can prove in the lab to be true or false and science is very limited. It’s a pity that people like you buy the biggest lie that the devil has brought to confuse people and lead people into damnation.
Man is not a worthless product of chance, THE LORD GOD MADE US IN HIS IMAGE. We are His creations. As I said in my earlier post I hope people like you finally come to the REAL TRUTH before it’s too late and believe me or not hell will break loose soon.
December 26th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
there won’t be a nuclear war between pakistan and india. i just can’t see that happening. this is all fear-mongering to trick people into pumping more money into the military industrial complex
December 26th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
And here is how the bankers did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV-k6uwPntQ
December 26th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
A nuclear war will be catastrophic for both India and Pakistan. But when you have religions extremists on both sides, anything is possible. As this article says RSS is already beating the drum on nuclear war. Amazing you won’t see that in mainstream media. If a political or a religious group in Pakistan was saying the same it would be all over cnn and bbc mocking how savage they are.
Congress has long been accused of having no balls and I think they are just out to prove it this time. I do think India will initiate some form of attack, which immediately will be followed by immense international pressure before it escalates out of hands.
December 26th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
God bless all people throughout this world who have spoken up for 9/11 Truth regardless of the consequences.
(That does not include Ron Paul.)
December 26th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Wow! Primordial ozz crap. Man you are brain washed!
Simple logic dictates that this so called evolutionary engine of yours has rules which dictates what survives what does not. It also dictate that the strongest survives etc. etc. Such non-sense.
Now since you believe this, which you must! there must be rules to get your evolutionary engine going. Assuming that you are correct then who provided the first set of rule to get your engine running?
As a computer programmer, we call it an instruction set. Who provided the first set of rules to get your engine going ? What rules were given to get this rule to begin to perform the task of evolving?
Evolving requires rules that govern how evolution works. A set of rules to guide the running of the application. Who put together these rules you call evolution?
Now, evolution is not verifiable at all. There are no proven test cases. Where is your missing link etc. You would not have a missing link, the stage between one species to another would be visible all around you every day. You could visually see the evolving stages as one species goes from one to another. There would be no missing link.
You have been sold a bill of goods dude. You have been hoodwinked! Bamboozled.
Here is an example of a rule that you say came from no where:
A series of If then statements
IF UNKNOWN POWER CREATES LIFE, WHAT TYPE OF LIFE SHOULD IT BE?
IF THIS LIFE IS HUMANOID THEN GIVE HIM 2 ARMS AND 2 LEGS. SHOULD IT BE HUMANOID? IF SO WHY?
HOW SHOULD THIS SPECIES PROCREATE? SHOULD IT BE SINGLE CELLULAR OR COMPLEX?
SHOULD IT BE SELF REPRODUCING OR SHOULD I CREATE A MATE FOR THIS LIFE FORM?
Do you see the simple logic that is not possible under your plan? Can’t you see that God must exist? Even these simple rules require complex thought processes in order to begin thinking about the types of life that should be created.
I do not expect you to understand because this is a siritual battle. So although you should understand that life requires a life giver who sets the rules, you will most likely simplify the process and requirements for such an event to take place.
God have mercy on your soul.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Things are picking up quick…come join us at Revolution Started facebook group…support the people trying to make a difference. Thanks to all and keep fighting the fight.
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December 26th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
SHENK you talk about theory. Isn’t the God thing theory? Or do you have proof of the existence of GOD? Show me. GGA You need to check your spelling, go back to college or at least learn to spell you pathetic small minded “brain washed ” excuse for a computer programmer. I feel sorry for you simply because you believe in something that you have no proof of.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
If a war does break out between Pakistan and the sub-continent which escalates to the nuclear and as China basically shares a border with both India and Pakistan and has had some diplomatic mix ups with India in the last few years…particularly over the Tibet issue…and has resorted to vague theats and occasional sabre rattling towards India in response, where will China…another nuclear power that helped provide Pakistan with a leg up to close the “Nuclear Missal gap” with India…where will china stand as this takes place?
It is possible that they are able to see long term and avoid getting involved so as to be able to eventually move in and basicaly grab what’s left after India and Pakistan devastate each other. On the other hand, if this conflict is truely being fomented by western industrialized nations and being direted by NWO forces then should it not stand to reason that considering the location of this developing theater of conflict…in a region where the border between the two most populated nations on earth exist, whose populace between them both is judt short of 40% of the 6 or so billion on the planet…there is a contingency in place that is intended to draw China into this conflict and therebye wreak havoc throughout the entire region? And by way of this conflict being nudged to the nuclear stage quickly cause a very dramatic reduction in the populations of both India and China?
That being said…it must be agknowledged that China is unlikely to stand idely by while this event unfolds on their border. Also, one must consider what the take on this from Moscow will be…particularly considering the resurgent Imperialist Soviet era attitude oozing from the Kremlin of late and the recent thawing of relations between Moscow and Bejing.
If these factors have not been considered by the fools whose meddlesome machinations are birthing these events and possible eventualities and contingencieshave not been put in place to mitigate them then their myopia will certainly be their own undoing as well as ours.
This cannot end well.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Post 48,
Your faith in God as the creator comes from the bible. In fact your faith stands or falls on the truthfulness of the bible. How can anyone trust the bible when it’s so full of blatant lies. Who the hell has ever done greater works than Jesus or, who the hell can pray for anything and expect it be answered? Answer: No one.
Verses below are outright lies
Matt 21:22
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Luke 11:9
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
John 14:12-14
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (This is the grand daddy of lies.)
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
KJV
December 27th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Enough with this evolution/creation BS! GGA…you say you are a computer programmer, but your writing and reasoning is childish, at best. Did you acquire an education before your employment? Your argument implies creation requires thought…it doesn’t. Things could be simply as they are. Rest assured, your humanized God does not sit upon a rock, head in hands, thinking of how things should play out. On the other hand, with the existence of emotion and beauty, the universe is probably something more than a series of equations. Regardless, India WILL attack Pakistan, if for no other reason than to stimulate their economy. No jobs=no civility=no society. Contrary to the implied evil of the RAND corporation in this article, these folks aren’t idiots, and has it dawned on anybody that they too might want to live through a world conflict? Nukes don’t discriminate.
December 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Just like WWII, another world war might just be what they have planned to push the reset button of this economy…
http://propagandawerks.blogspot.com
December 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
The plan from the start has always been to get russia and china involved. Western Bankers want them all to duke it and wipe each other out so they don’t have to do it themselves.
December 27th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Spring and Purple Fart attack my typo but cannot address the issue.
Then they try to attack my education but they never attack the logic with logic.
Who has the simple mind Spring?! YOU DO.
I am sure that my education well exceeds yours.
Concerning the typo purple,
since Alex does not provide editing features, we may sometimes miss our typing errors.
People like you alway attack the person because you have no logical rational response.
December 27th, 2008 at 2:04 am
GGA you obviously didn’t come here to discuss the issue because you have not addressed anything except logic (which you have no idea of) and your pathetic rantings of evolution and your mindless perspective of the invisible god. I and my kind lost more than 55.000 plus of brothers and sisters in a senseless war in Southeast Asia 40 or so years ago. So you brag about your education and your rationality but you don’t judge me or anyone else until you’ve walked a mile in my moccasins. A war between these 2 countries is just the beginning of the end. Go plug that into your computer and see what you come up with. Peace
December 27th, 2008 at 2:30 am
If indeed this is more or less the plan,then it’s China who will do the dirty work for us in this upcoming conflict.Also it’s nice to know the Rand corp. cares so much about the welfare of the American people.Aren’t wars great,they solve so many problems on so many levels.
December 27th, 2008 at 5:12 am
They’ll do this on January 13. Read this to see why.
December 27th, 2008 at 5:19 am
They’ll do it on January 13. Read this to see why. – http://www.reddit.com/r/self/c.....terrorist/
December 27th, 2008 at 6:28 am
The name Ex-believer implies that you used to believe. However, if you never received, and therefore think the promises of Jesus are lies, it only shows that you never truly believed. Millions of people continue to trust Jesus every day precisely because they receive what they believe.
December 27th, 2008 at 8:04 am
They (RAND Corp) have succeeded in their pursuit of a WW. The world has entered the initial stages of WW3. The latest breaking news is the attack in Palestine, which to me means a provocation to the Islamic world. There are already high tensions between India and Pakistan leading to Pakistan deciding to cancel the troops leave and moving 20 000 troops to to the border to repel any aggression from India. If one considers that India has the support of the US and Israel and Pakistan the support of China, Russia and Iran. One can now start seeing the whole picture (plan) from The RAND Corp. The US is bankrupt and owes Trillions of dollars to China. The only way out of the financial problem collapse is through a WW. Biden was correct when he said ‘mark my words, Obama is going to be tested in his first days in power’. I thought it going to be an Israel on attack on Iran first. I still think it will happen but after the false flag attack in India I now think the trigger will be an Indian will attack on Pakistan bringing into the conflict China, Russia, Israel and the US.
December 27th, 2008 at 8:54 am
If we want to stop all these wars here is where we must start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV-k6uwPntQ
December 27th, 2008 at 9:23 am
The question is not IF there is going to be a war betwen these two countries but WHEN.
December 27th, 2008 at 9:54 am
This is a win-win situation as far as confronting the Pakistani Taleban is concerned which will get hammered by the Indian and coalition armed forces. And the Pakistan army will get chopped down to size, too, so that Pakistan will be more likely to be able to form a better government without the threat of a coup. Furthermore, Pakistan no longer has any control of its nuclear option, which is now under US control.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Subtle Propaganda Says:
“Too bad it goes agains5t scripture my friend. The delusion you speak of is gripping the evangelical “Christians” in the form of the pre-trib rapture.”
Ans: The pre-trib rapture is truth as born again believers are “not appointed unto the wrath of God”. We are the Bride of Christ; why would He beat us half to death in the tribulation? He wouldn’t. Instead, He will call us up to meet Him in the air. When Jesus returns to earth, He will stand on the Mount of Olives and every eye will behold Him.
Subtle Propaganda Says: When a human being dies do they go directly to places called heaven or Hell? Answer: No.
Ans: Partly true. Those who are not born again will “sleep” until the Judgment of God at the end of the Tribulation. Those who are born again will return to the Lord at the moment of death. Paul writes: “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”.
Subtle Propaganda Says: “Is it true that if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, regardless if you were a good person, i.e., helped people and cared for people more than for yourself, that you go to Hell?
Answer: No, you will not necessarily go to Hell.”
Ans: This is absolutely wrong and misleading. If a person does not believe in Jesus Christ, thereby rejecting the only way to be saved, they will be cast into the lake of fire along with hell and death. It doesn’t matter how “good” they are because the righteousness of mankind is “as filthy rags” in comparison to the righteousness of Christ.
It is Gods desire that all will be saved but those who reject His way of salvation, in reality, reject Him. There is no other way. To sugar-coat the truth is to make of it a lie. No one can afford to be lied to in this late day of the summation of all things. There are more “wars and rumors of wars” on a daily basis. Yet, that is only one sign of the soon return of Christ Jesus. There are many more…ie, the breakdown of society in sinful conduct, the earth being in turmoil, etc.
WW3 will not be just India and Pakistan going to war(if they even do)but a conflagration the world over. According to the Bible, the next “war” in prophecy is not India and Pakistan but Israel and Syria, when Damascus is made “a ruinous heap” and, thereafter, the war of “Gog/Magog” where Russia, Iran and allies come against Israel in a regional War. The last greatest war(WW3) is when China comes against the anti-Christ and His hordes, again in the valley of Megiddo, and the Lord wipes the majority of them out “with the brightness of His coming”.
Wars are not the only thing we are to be looking for on the prophetic horizon; we are to be looking for the establishment of “the ten kings who give their power to the anti-Christ for one hour”(my quote)which, I believe, is a confederation of ten geographical areas such as the European Union, the Asean Union and the soon-to-be North American Union. Will we need wars and financial upheavals to cause that to come about? No doubt. Countries will not give up their sovereignty except that they feel threatened by stronger forces or it is financially expedient to do so.
The possible “war between Pakistan and India” will probably never occur but if it does it will only be one in the many steps that it takes for the world community to band together in a feeble attempt to make right what sin and the fallen nature of mankind has made wrong for so many years. It will fail. Therein lies the rationale for a global governance, which I’m sure that most can see is quickly coming about.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:20 am
maybe the pakistani’s should read these forums and get a clue…then they can secretly team up with india and screw bush over from the inside
December 27th, 2008 at 10:39 am
EVERYONE prepare now,if you havent started to prepare it may be to late…can you survive out of a backpack and anything you can carry(rifle and ammo)?can you evade capture(FEMA or FORIEGN entities)?can you find water and food(not from wal-mart)?how will you sleep(who do you have to keep watch while you sleep,and more important do you trust them)?these are just a few things you must consider as we enter the future that has already been plannned out for us,SO PREPARE NOW:YOUR MIND AND BODIES!!!!!
December 27th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Post 61 Steve Boggan,
You are such a liar! Through prayer, there hasn’t been one Christian that has come close to doing the miracles Jesus allegedly did. When you pray to Jesus or pray in his name, the result is the same as praying to the wall. Name me one Christian who has prayed to do more than Jesus did and had that prayer answered. Or name me a Christian who has raised the dead (after 4 days); open the eyes of the blind, fed thousands with someone’s lunch, etc.
Yes, I was a believer for over 27 years and believed God existed all my life (now 53 years old). I have never seen a Christian or heard of any Christian coming close to doing the miracles Jesus did. It’s all a bunch of lies. All they (Christians) do is flap their lips. I finally started thinking outside the box, took the red pill, and realized it’s all lies.
If the promises of Jesus were true, then the Christians who could act upon them would be headline news. So quit your damn dishonesty you liar. At least admit not one Christian, in the history of Christianity, has ever received the promises of John 14: 12-14, verse below.
Bible verses below are examples of outright lies,
Matt 21:22
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Luke 11:9
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
John 14:12-14
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (This is the grand daddy of lies.)
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
KJV
December 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am
ALL of this religious crap is just a CONTROL factor and it is obviously working!!!!!!jesus this jesus that…..god damn it…..jesus is nothing…..but a carrot dangling on a string in front of your faces,get a clue and wake up and make up your own minds insead of listening to other SHEOPLES lies!
December 27th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Jesus would like people to stop the murderous illuminazi ,Tell all those people bombed to bits in the wars jesus will save you…give it a break.
December 27th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Who cares what we are or where we came from? Really. That is the thing you people are choosing to spend your ever depleting conscious energy on?! None of that stuff matters. Religion (in all forms) is about control and separation and always has been. It separates us in a time when we need to be pulling together. And I’m not talking about a militia or hording weapons or anything remotely close to that. That is what got us here in the first place along with religion. Albert Einstein said “No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. ” That is what they want. Because they know that fighting them keeps us at their level. Their lowered frequency. We have to choose between fear and love. Religion and violence are only about fear. It’s time to take the other road but we need to be together not worrying about the past which holds us back and that we can do nothing about.
December 27th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Sounds like the script for a hollywood movie
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To 67 Wakeup : Hee Hee Hee, but you are absolutely correct, in saying that the people of india
& pakistan, should be informed about site’s like this. That way, they can see for themselves,
why the world is NOT QUITE what it should be, and why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE’RE FIGHTING AN INFOWAR PEOPLE. LET’S UNITE, AND FIGHT, FOR OUR RIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Hating God won’t change the fact that he told us what was going to happen in the Bible. It is all being fulfilled daily. What exciting times we live in! Are you ready to stand before our creator? Repent and make Jesus Christ your lord and savior, then you won’t have to fear the inevitable judgment that is coming upon us due to our wickedness.
December 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
well well well, I guess it is time for mahatma gandhi and mo teresa to reincarnate…. the religion or spiritual inclinations of humans do not cause the problems.. the problems are created by the people of greed. denial of self from birth …. greed not money greed not religion… greed not politics….. selfish people that are armed.. that is the problem…. people need to gather together in the streets, bars, schools … in person… because this net can be turned of in an instant… or manipulated right dont be sheepish…. band together.. buy a box of batteries and a several boxes of CITIZEN BAND Radios also know now as walkie talkies….. citizens band together.. when they turn of the power and the net.. we will have our own net … ok get to work..
December 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
well well well, I guess it is time for mahatma gandhi and mo teresa to reincarnate…. the religion or spiritual inclinations of humans do not cause the problems.. the problems are created by the people of greed. denial of self from birth …. greed not money greed not religion… greed not politics….. selfish people that are armed.. that is the problem…. people need to gather together in the streets, bars, schools … in person… because this net can be turned of in an instant… or manipulated right dont be sheepish…. band together.. buy a box of batteries and a several boxes of CITIZEN BAND Radios also know now as walkie talkies….. citizens band together.. when they turn of the power and the net.. we will have our own net … ok get to work..
December 27th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Those who plan evil are in for a rude surprise. You can be sure that evil men will be punished. THEIR MONEY WILL NOT SAVE THEM, it will identify them and make them available to reap what they have sown!!! Evil Men, you had better hire trust worthy food tasters immediately for your time has run out!!!
December 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Any post that I don’t like is written by a troll.
December 27th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
its about control folks, get your gear and get ready NOW!
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December 27th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
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December 27th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hi All.
Shit Man…Clever these bankers…
December 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Nobody wants this war between the Indians and the Paki’s more than the Israeli’s.
Israel must get control of the Pakistani nukes before they fall into the “right” hands which will allow that miserable shitty country(Israel) to be destroyed.
December 27th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
so that’s why the troops are here. with the protesting of the gwot, the fed is expecting even nastier protests if a big war breaks out and we’re involved.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
REEFERKEEFER is a bot. Bought and paid for.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
this whole thing is just so fucking stupid.
As a guy awake to the NWO in India, i cant tell you how much it pains me, to see such idiotic headlines in our murdoc controlled newspapers and news channels, constantly scaring the shit out of the people, constantly going over and over about ‘will there be a war, will there, huh? will there, ? will there? ofh no, it shouldnt, oh but will it? will it?”
Just on and on and on, and i want to scream to these idiots, dont you see it is a set-up?
but they cant see, thats the fucking tragedy.
They dont see the setup, that they are being played like a frikkin violin by the nwo.
just makes me feel so fucking sad and helpless to watch this unfold, while i cant do much about it.
what am i going to do? scream from the rooftops? i tried that, dosent work.
December 27th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Wow, #62, B says. What if “B says” is correct?
December 27th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
The Sixth Trumpet Brings the Second Terror
13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice speaking from the four horns of the gold altar that stands in the presence of God. 14 And the voice said to the sixth angel who held the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great Euphrates River.” 15 Then the four angels who had been prepared for this hour and day and month and year were turned loose to kill one-third of all the people on earth. 16 I heard the size of their army, which was 200 million mounted troops.
17 And in my vision, I saw the horses and the riders sitting on them. The riders wore armor that was fiery red and dark blue and yellow. The horses had heads like lions, and fire and smoke and burning sulfur billowed from their mouths. 18 One-third of all the people on earth were killed by these three plagues—by the fire and smoke and burning sulfur that came from the mouths of the horses. 19 Their power was in their mouths and in their tails. For their tails had heads like snakes, with the power to injure people.
This prophecy is next on Gods end time clock now is the time to get right with God not tomorrow or when the bombs start dropping.
Christ Took Our Punishment
21 But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses[i] and the prophets long ago. 22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.
December 27th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Hey people – let’s STOP bit*&ing about differences (religion). If people want to blather on about their faith or lack of faith, let them. None of it makes an impact on the HERE AND NOW though because we need to work together and stop focusing on differences. I understand that faith (or lack of faith) is very important to many people, but THIS IS NOT A WEBSITE DESIGNED TO DEBATE RELIGION, so LET’S STICK TO THE IMMEDIATE ISSUES instead of nitpicking and GETTING NOWHERE!!!! I’m so tired of Americans complaining about their own personal hang ups…THAT’S HOW WE GOT HERE, CAUSE AMERICANS HAVE FORGOTTEN COMMUNITY!!! A real community accepts all different ideas and works together on common issues. Grow up and grow a pair!! You won’t be able to remain self-described geniouses after the dollar collapses, so LET’S START NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 28th, 2008 at 12:13 am
adam’s 100% correct in my eyes the one truth they want to distort more then any other is god. Most organized religions are terrible dumbing down stations for the masses. Luciferean zionists, neocons and social communists want a godless nation because they are even more easy to control then a semi free society. Our society has made it seem that gods are physical members of the goverment …obama and palin or hollywood….angelina or brad. Thats extremely devilish and sad but that is what’s going on in our country. If you don’t believe me go to a high school ask the average kid if they believe in god. I am not christian or muslim or part of any organized religion just a spirtual person that had some experiences that showed me a truly good god exists. I was a non believer skeptic for 5 yrs who abused drugs and alchohol. Our society blinds people by pitting our ego against our soul. The ego wants us to believe their isn’t a god and that material things can make us happy. For those who don’t believe in a good god go out into nature and observe its life energy and beauty. Read the serpent of light beyond 2012 a very interesting read ….truth seekers need to band together and educate. We can’t fight them with guns only truth, knowledge, hearts, souls, understanding and unconditional love. Those are things that all true prophets spoke about things that government, most organized religion and lucifer want to distort and destroy.
December 28th, 2008 at 1:20 am
watcha YOU gonna do when the world order of government runs wild on you!!!!.
Obama: what you see right here is the new organization of government, you can call this the new world order of government brother….
December 28th, 2008 at 2:54 am
What RAND left out was the opportunity to reduced India’s enormous population. What better opportunity than the chaos and fog of yet another choreographed war.
December 28th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Lots of scenarios could happen, but I don’t focus on it too much because it would get too depressing.
Just live your life the best you can and love your neighbour and God (if you believe in such a being).
December 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am
A cyber attack against financial institutions and power grids is likely planned for the U.S. It needs to be something massive in order to trick Americans into surrendering the Internet and their constitutional protections. It will disrupt communications and create chaos, followed by martial law. In the chaos and blackout, the military will have functioning communications for command and control. They will roundup dissidents from the red and blue lists, and confiscate weapons. Provocateurs will rampage, no doubt targeting NWO enemies. Fake nuclear power plant disasters will be used as cover for herding populations to the FEMA camps. Water and food supplies could be “contaminated” or lost. Organized resistance will be difficult due to the lack of communications, electricity, water, grounded airplanes, etc. The chaos will provide cover for the NWO to destroy records and evidence of their crimes. Financial records will be irretrievably lost, and fires, flooding, and “looting” will result in the destruction of backup tapes. All of the payoff money to judges, police chiefs, mayors, and congressmen will be impossible to trace. But that’s okay! It’s God’s will. He has a plan for all of his children! You stupid shits! You will beg to be slaves.
December 28th, 2008 at 10:32 am
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December 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Bad Slave above has some very good points. Chaos can and will be used to destroy evidence…you can hear the shredders in the White House….and Wall Street…I have not heard a follow up on the Internet cables for Mid East and India being cut but assume they are functioning as stories are coming out…on Gaza (the Israelis are cowards) and other madness…this is show time for the NWO and we must take the warrior posture now and prepare; sadly most everyone around me is a dumbed down zombie with Xmas hangovers and programmed for the next holiday and apathy. The rest of us need to save ourselves…the willing slaves to Barky will not listen and will end up as fodder in Afghanistan to protect the poppies for the CIA and their drug lords and to break up Pakistan for the RAND / Brzezinski / Barky cabal (or gestapo at home) The majority will always act like sheep and the rulers know it…it is the 20% that are the danger to them. (see Pareto’s law or 80-20 rule)…as far as the internet going down Internet 2 and 3 are already functioning and the switch can be pulled anytime…back ups and hard copies is a must (I have years of archives)…we will enter a new era of 1984 like no memory no information soon future…make sure to have older history books and the usual Quigley books and other hard copies…the NWO like to erase history…good luck to all.
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
this ruckus between india and pakistan can only end with a nuclear war. it’s going to happen someday or another. that’s a given.
the indian govt. should give it’s 1 billion+ population AK-47’s and open up the borders and invade porkistan.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Hi Tibor S Friedman,
You’ve not written in a while and it is good to see you active again.
I fall into your “dumbed down zombie with Xmas hangovers ” catagory :=)
Keep writing, I look you up on line from time to time and enjoy seeing the differences between us.
Jan from Fircrest (from your 1971 Fort Lewis Washington days) Jansayshello@hotmail.com