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Congress votes to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, legalize warrantless eavesdropping
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Glenn Greenwald
Salon
July 9, 2008
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The Democratic-led Congress this afternoon voted to put an end to the NSA spying scandal, as the Senate approved a bill — approved last week by the House — to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, terminate all pending lawsuits against them, and vest whole new warrantless eavesdropping powers in the President. The vote in favor of the new FISA bill was 69-28. Barack Obama joined every Senate Republican (and every House Republican other than one) by voting in favor of it, while his now-vanquished primary rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, voted against it. John McCain wasn’t present for any of the votes, but shared Obama’s support for the bill. The bill will now be sent to an extremely happy George Bush, who already announced that he enthusiastically supports it, and he will sign it into law very shortly.
Prior to final approval, the Senate, in the morning, rejected three separate amendments which would have improved the bill but which, the White House threatened, would have prompted a veto. With those amendments defeated, the Senate then passed the same bill passed last week by the House, which means it is that bill, in unchanged form, that will be signed into law — just as the Bush administration demanded.
The first amendment, from Sens. Dodd, Feingold and Leahy, would have stripped from the bill the provision immunizing the telecoms. That amendment failed by a vote of 32-66, with all Republicans and 17 Democrats against (the roll call vote is here). The next amendment was offered by Sen. Arlen Specter, which would have merely required a court to determine the constitutionality of the NSA spying program and grant telecom immunity only upon a finding of constitutionality. Specter’s amendment failed, 37-61 (roll call vote is here). The third amendment to fail was one sponsored by Sen. Jeff Bingaman, merely requiring that the Senate wait until the Inspector General audits of the NSA program are complete before immunizing the telecoms. The Bingaman amendment failed by a vote of 42-56 (roll call vote here). Both Obama and Clinton voted for all three failed amendments.
The Senators then voted for "cloture" on the underlying FISA bill — the procedure that allows the Senate to overcome any filibusters — and it passed by a vote of 72-26. Obama voted along with all Republicans for cloture. Hillary Clinton voted with 25 other Democrats against cloture (strangely, Clinton originally voted AYE on cloture, and then changed her vote to NAY; I’m trying to find out what explains that).
With cloture approved, the bill itself then proceeded to pass by a vote of 69-28 (roll call vote here), thereby immunizing telecoms and legalizing warrantless eavesdropping. Again, while Obama voted with all Republicans to pass the bill, Sen. Clinton voted against it.
Obama’s vote in favor of cloture, in particular, cemented the complete betrayal of the commitment he made back in October when seeking the Democratic nomination. Back then, Obama’s spokesman — in response to demands for a clear statement of Obama’s views on the spying controversy after he had previously given a vague and noncommittal statement — issued this emphatic vow:
To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.
But the bill today does include retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies. Nonetheless, Obama voted for cloture on the bill — the exact opposition of supporting a filibuster — and then voted for the bill itself. A more complete abandonment of an unambiguous campaign promise is difficult of imagine. I wrote extensively about Obama’s support for the FISA bill, and what it means, earlier today.
With their vote today, the Democratic-led Congress has covered-up years of deliberate surveillance crimes by the Bush administration and the telecom industry, and has dramatically advanced a full-scale attack on the rule of law in this country. As I noted earlier today, Law Professor and Fourth Amendment expert Jonathan Turley was on MSNBC’s Countdown with Rachel Maddow last night and gave as succinct an explanation for what Democrats — not the Bush administration, but Democrats — have done today. Anyone with any lingering doubts about what is taking place today in our country should watch this:
What is most striking is that when the Congress was controlled by the GOP — when the Senate was run by Bill Frist and the House by Denny Hastert — the Bush administration attempted to have a bill passed very similar to the one that just passed today. But they were unable to do so. The administration had to wait until Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats took over Congress before being able to put a corrupt end to the scandal that began when, in December of 2005, the New York Times revealed that the President had been breaking the law for years by spying on Americans without the warrants required by law.
Yet again, the Democratic Congress ignored the views of their own supporters in order to comply with the orders and wishes of the Bush administration. It is therefore hardly a surprise that, yesterday, Rasmussen Reports revealed this rather humiliating finding:
Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever
The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.
The Congress, with a powerful cast of bipartisan lobbyists and the establishment media class lined up behind telecom immunity and warrantless eavesdropping, looked poised to pass this bill back last December, but a large-scale protest was organized — largely online — by huge numbers of American who were opposed to warrantless eavesdropping and telecom immunity, and that protest disrupted that plan (the movement borne of opposition to this bill is only beginning today, not ending, here). Today, Sen. Chris Dodd, the leader of the opposition effort along with Russ Feingold, said this on the Senate floor:
Lastly, I want to thank the thousands who joined with us in this fight around the country — those who took to the blogs, gathered signatures for online petitions and created a movement behind this issue. Men and women, young and old, who stood up, spoke out and gave us the strength to carry on this fight. Not one of them had to be involved, but each choose to become involved for one reason and one reason alone: Because they love their country. They remind us that the "silent encroachments of those in power" Madison spoke of can, in fact, be heard, if only we listen.
Today, the Democratic-led Senate ignored those protests, acted to protect the single most flagrant act of Bush lawbreaking of the last seven years, eviscerated the core Fourth Amendment prohibition of surveillance without warrants, gave an extraordinary and extraordinarily corrupt gift to an extremely powerful corporate lobby, and cemented the proposition that the rule of law does not apply to the Washington Establishment.
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I was on the Brian Lehrer Show this morning debating the FISA bill with former Clinton National Security Advisor Nancy Soderberg (who favors the bill). Because of some technical difficulties, I wasn’t on the show until roughly 7:30 in. That debate can be heard here. Tomorrow, at 10:00 a.m. EST, I’ll be on NPR’s On Point to discuss the Obama campaign and the FISA vote. That can be heard here.
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UPDATE: The ACLU announced today that it will challenge this bill in court as soon as it is passed on the ground that its warrantless eavesdropping provisions violate the Fourth Amendment:
In advance of the president’s signature, the ACLU announced its plan to challenge the new law in court.
"This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law," said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project. "The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans’ international telephone and email communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment."
EFF, the other non-profit organization behind the telecom lawsuits, announced the same, emphasizing the unconstitutionality of the grant of immunity. That challenge will likely be on the ground that by resolving these pending lawsuits in favor of the telecoms, Congress has usurped the judicial function — one which the Constitution, in Article III, assigns to the courts, not to Congress or the President ("The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish").
The effort to target those responsible for this travesty is here.
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July 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Don’t blame me…I’m not with the big telecoms. boycott their services and they’ll get the picture that people want privacy. But I doubt Americans will do this.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
How can I boycott them since I never got service from them anyway. (I guess my boycott can whip your boycott)
July 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I already assume that all of my internet & phone activity is being recorded, especially with how much I visit this site.. Im sure Im already on some sort of government “List” … BUT I DONT GIVE A f---!!!! Nothing will ever restrain my thoughts again. “Ye will know the truth & the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE”
July 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
We need to give our Telecommunications immunity and support NSA who are protecting our FREEDOM. We should be delighted that NSA is monitoring calls and electronic traffic on a massive scale, because catching terrorists is far more important that worrying about the government’s listening to our phone calls, or reading my emails.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
This country is going to hell in a hand basket.
Imagine of Hitler or Mao would have had a MySpace or Facebook to datamine in their day? How much more efficient eugenics could have been! It would have been much easier to sort out the Jews and other non-Arian race candidates for a trip to the health department. Also spying on neighbors would be a breeze!
1984 was not a science-fiction novel, or a revelation–it was a plan. They are moving very quickly to implement it now, as we can see.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
I am floored by this. It is mind blowing! Do WE not have a voice/say anymore!? I know the answer and it disgusts me.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
So when are we shutting down DC with a demonstration? This is some bull and we shouldn’t stand for it whatsoever!
July 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
To Anna, comment number 4.
That’s a violation of your freedom you dumb c---. I am almost excited for you to feel the repercussions of this mindset you have! If you let ANYONE take away a little freedom here, some rights there, you will be left with NOTHING but the notion of liberty.
Please, stop spreading your terrorist bulls--- and go educate yourself.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
And here again our terrorist political leaders make another attemp to rip apart our constitution by futher destroying our rights to privacy.Going against our rights should be an act of treason by tyrrants.Throw the bums out.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
The Congress is full of a bunch of asshats.
Obama is a sellout and doesn’t deserve a vote in the upcoming election.
There is no one worth voting for.
There is only one party in the US.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
I dont believe in cursing in this forum, but this really pisses me off!!
So, we all need to organize some type of demonstration at either our downtown city/county buildings, as well as our State Capital!! We need to pick a specific date, like the day that Mr. D**khead signs this thing into law.
Hey, other countries get away with mass demonstrations, why can’t we?? It’s because most Americans dont care, OR don’t care ENOUGH to want to do something about it. I have never demonstrated personally before, but damn it I am ready!! What next folks?!?! We NEED to do something about this!!
People say we’re crazy, or that we are theorists… So what’s gonna happen in how-ever-many years from now, and they’ll say “You were right.” By that time folks, it’ll be too late!!!
July 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Oba-a-a-a-a-ma just changed his mind about his support for the bill. Now THERE’S a change you can believe in.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Let us now say a prayer for what was the 4th amendment, may it rest in peace.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
We might as well use our really names….with this bill the guys on the other line already have access to our computers. Time to buy a shotgun and all the rounds of ammo you can carry. We are going to need them to change this.
Psst, FBI/NSA/ATF guys that are watching us….go ahead and put me on the watch list…I am the one that is nailing your wife while you are “protecting” us from all of the evils of the world.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
All this does is protect Bush and his crime partners against charges being brought against them.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Better come to the march for liberty in DC July 12th. I’ll be the guy screaming…
July 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Did we expect anything different? I bet ya king Bush is tripping over his shoe laces to sign this bill.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Today is a very dark day in the history of the Republic. Today, July 9, 2008, marks the end of the 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights. The Bush Crime Family has effectively executed a coverup of their mass domestic spying in collusion with the criminal telecoms. My eyes have been opened to the fact that fascism is not just a Republican objective. It is a government goal. The corporatocracy is enabled by both Republicans and Democrats. The citizens of America have been betrayed today. I fear for the immediate future of the citizenry. We are a giant step closer to the roundups of outspoken dissenters. I will continue to speak the truth to all who will listen. Spreading the truth about 9/11/2001 became even more urgent and important after the passing of this coverup bill. We must redouble our efforts while we still have the time and the freedom to work relatively unabated. We really only have right now. We are not promised tomorrow or next week or next year. I stand in solidarity with you, my brothers and sisters as we do what must be done. They are powerful but the truth is more powerful. Never give up.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
http://www.veritas144k.com
Summary Outline of Sequence of Events until the End of Time
“Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows” (Mt 24:8).
The warning foretold by Jesus started with the Tsunami in 2002.
On the Social/Geo-Political/Economic side:
The present world recession of 2008 is leading to a world depression.
The depression spreads rapidly to regions in the ‘developed nations.’
The depression will cause bank foreclosures and bank closures.
The world depression will degenerate into the dreaded ‘Great Tribulation.’
Accelerated global conflicts with ‘alliances’ of governments and alienation.
Conflicts escalating until all of the Muslim forces are in place.
On the religious side:
The disrespect for God and for His Word is universal.
Over 1,000 different Christian churches, each calling themselves ‘Christian.’
The people of Christendom are defenseless.
The churches of so-called ‘Christendom’ have all abdicated their responsibility to serve God.
The false ‘religion’ of Islam, a monotheistic cult, denies the existence of the Holy Trinity.
This Muslim militaristic religion is ready with it’s army of 200 million to invade the earth.
There is one event which is stopping the final battle, and that is Israel.
The reclaiming of the Ark is a pivotal event in the times of the end.
This event is known as the ‘third woe, and the seventh trumpet.’
This event heralds the onslaught of the Great Tribulation in global terms.
The 400 mile (700 kilometers) wall protecting Israel will be collapsed.
The Golden Dome, and the Mosque and the ‘Wailing wall,’ will also be collapsed.
The hostile nation of Islam, and the ‘Unholy Alliance’ will invade Israel.
The Lord will utterly destroy the Muslims and the Unholy Alliance.
Finally, the Kingdom of God, will be returned to Him by Christ Jesus.
“In the good day enjoy good things, and beware beforehand of the evil day, for God has made both the one and the other” (Ec 7:15).
July 9th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I have to agree with ShastaPatriot…….Alex Jones does worship ham sandwiches and cheeseburgers. 100%
We have the proof.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I have to say america has been totally destroyed. I will be in Washington,D.C. to fight for our freedom , rights and liberty. I hope millions show up and scare the crap out of the white house. Revolution is here!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
These creeps are a LOT MORE AFRAID of their global puppet masters than they are of the American people. This will be coming to a very ugly conclusion all too soon. When it does, I believe it will be the MILITARY itself that will decide: will they obey their oath to defend the Constitution against ALL ENEMIES both foreign and domestic, or will they go along with fascist Bush and his neo-con handbook. http://mschaut.wordpress.com/f.....gn-policy/
If the military ultimately fails us, we’ll be seeing all their weapons of mass destruction used against US. If they ultimately fulfill their oaths, we may actually be able to get America BACK.
I believe it is critically important to be speaking with all military personnel at every level to make it clear the direction this is going and what their ultimate decision will have to be. Without our military on the side of America and Americans, we are lost.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
i wonder how many congressman suddenly got “donations” from telecom companies this month.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
So MSNBC reports this like it’s a debatable issue. They report it with smiles, then bring in their “news analysts”.
First of all, why do we need flippin’ news analysts? Do you need someone to tell you what you just heard? As an American television news viewer, are you so dumb that you need someone to “translate” what you just heard in your native tongue? No, you don’t. And this is where the swaying of public opinion comes in. These guys are hand selected by the networks and approved by the media machine.
Second, IT IS OBVIOUS that this new bill is Constitutionally ILLEGAL. What’s there to talk about?
Third, it has just been decided to let Bush’s previous ILLEGAL actions go unpunished. It is official now, the government which is supposed to be our servant has made itself ABOVE THE LAW.
NEWSFLASH: this is all the stuff that’s been brewing while conspiracy theorists ran around trying to tell everyone and people just laughed at them, calling them kooks.
Yeah, and there are planes right above our homes spraying sh*t that we’re breathing in. But no one’s going to listen to that, either.
No one is going to listen until the stasi show up on your door step and it’s too late. Then the conspiracy theorist kooks will be validate, ex post facto.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
To Alex, #3
Mine too. I got blasted off one site for my beliefs. I was invisible somehow. Oh yeah, we’re already F**ked.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Lock and Load Gentlemen….REVOLUTION!…not the Ron Paul revolution
July 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
R.I.P fourth amendment
July 9th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
It’s a Bush Free for All – WTF !!
How many crimes does he have to get away with before we do something? This is INSANE.
I have never seen the congress so unwilling to do the right thing for our country. sickening…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
The constitution will be nothing but an anachronisitic relic of antiquity by the time Bush leaves office.
The Democrats are in collusion with the Republicans and both have violated their oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies – both foreign and domestic.
99% of Americans will either not even know what happened, or simply nod in approval.
“All we like sheep have gone astray…”
July 10th, 2008 at 12:09 am
#8 Jessica: I love you…your Anna comment was dead on, especially your use of the C- word…Nice!!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I see that Anna is back at it again…i think she is just here to cause trouble and get some feathers ruffled, or perhaps she is just part of the elite? Anyways, this isnt suprising people. They already listen to everything you say and read everything you write. This is all a game to make you believe that you still have some freedoms left. The main purpose of this happening now i guarantee you is to let them use it against you in our already screwed up legal system. You have no rights anymore and its time to fight. I have to thank Alex Jones and his allies in helping us find the real news of the nation but they have done all they can at this point. It is now up to us to stand up before its really too late. You have no rights anymore, sorry, but you dont. The only way to get them back now is to abolish this corrupt government and start over yet again. Its been done before and itll have to be done over and over again until who knows when. Corrupt powers will always exist and this is why our forefathers warned us about this when they first founded this country. Please wake up people and start taking the fight to their doorsteps. And Anna, lay off, if youre as ignorant as you seem please keep running your head into the wall while the rest of us solve this. Thank you.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:41 am
I don’t know if any one remembers that whole fourth amendment thing… but isn’t there also something about post ex facto laws too?
WAKE UP AMERICA.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:55 am
There is no reason to start acting nutty after you “wake up”. Most of our politicians are not “evil”. Talk intelligent and get involved.
-God Bless
July 10th, 2008 at 3:15 am
I love reading the blogs. It gives me a pulse on like-minded patriots.
Today was hell for all of us with any brains. None of you mentioned the un-loaded nuclear missles
that Iran fired off in many directions, today, to say “back off” and to prove they are war-worthy.
This time, it is Congress demanding that Bush send war-ready ships to Iran. It is Congress that
demands Bush to move war into Pakistan, against his wishes, “to find Bin Laden”.What Bush knows is that Bin Laden was a CIA operative who went by the name Tim Oslin, and he died in a U.S.
hospital in Dec.,2001. All of this is about oil as CURRENCY, because we are broke, s--- deep.
Friends, we have a psychopath at the helm. A man who, as a little boy, put firecrackers into frogs
mouths and blew them up. A man who is having a dick war with his father. A man who enjoys
hurting and killing and blowing people up. And we have Cheney, who controls the President with a
Power of Attorney Bush signed over to him in February. Cheney is SCARY. Don’t underestimate
the damage he can do to you. You have more to worry about from him and Armitage, and the
Stassi and KGB infiltrated CIA and their dirty Bank of America than anyone else, other than
Rumsfeld. Bush,Sr. is The Godfather nazi. He is evil. Greenspan belongs in a gulag.
What’s about to come is ALSO from other directions, so, it’s not about taking our country back. You are going to have to fight the Chinese on your own soil, with the Euro-Lenninists coming from
the other side. You will also be dealing with the Tribulation, whether you believe or not. It’s here.
And I elect that we simply ignore Anna on this blog. The c--- is getting off on your attention. She
is an agitator and a predator. She might not even be a “she”. Get it?
Whatever you dear people do, walk with God.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:01 am
I think most people here saw this coming. Once again, another example of our government and multinational corporations violating our rights and freedoms in the name of “terror” and reminding citizens who is in charge. What’s most frightening is the future ramifications of this bill.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:32 am
Today the United States by way of it’s congress and president handed the mythical creature Osama Bin Laden it’s sword and surrendered in total defeat. Or it was “mission accomplished” depending on who you ask. Either way there is no way anyone any where can deny this nation is over with as we knew it.
For those who worship authority, torture, imprisonment, gang rape and the alike; for them this is a grand time. For the rest of us it signals the end of a representative republic and defines this new age as a less than perfect fascist state.
Many have wrote me today to tell me they were leaving the country. I asked how they thought they would do that since the boarders are closed. They replied “no our borders are wide open!” I said yes they are, but only on one side; the one that lets you in. You see that’s the trouble with some people they just never think things through. When these people reach a border they will discover we now have the most secure border crossings in the world when you try to leave the U.S.. When my friends get to a border they are going to be subject to a deep cavity search of their past and present and if they have any thing at all, a parking ticket, child support, anything at all on their record they will not get across. And if it’s over due or not paid or they are under investigation even without their knowledge they will be detained and be charged with interstate flight or some other crime.
Worse, there is not one country in the world that will welcome a common Amerikan into their country, because they don’t want us. To many around the world it would be the equivalent to letting a NAZI in to hide. Unlike those villains of yesterday we can’t even count on Brazil or the rest of south America since our country has been at war with them covertly trying to steal everything they have as well. Besides what are you going to tell these countries “I was just following orders?” Or “that’s the governments doing not mine.” Neither will work, because following orders didn’t cut it for the other fascist and they will remind us that the people put Bush back in office in 2004.
So I fear for my friends who will try to leave this wreckage one called “the land of the free”, because I am certain many will not make it. We are after all patriots and that translates in this country today as terrorist or if you prefer enemy combatants. To become this dreadful menace one needs only to disagree with those in power. It’s not like you have to go out and take action like some Arabic freedom fighter protecting his home to end up in Gitmo. No, just do what we do here and else where… disagree, vent and watch it all die on the vine before us. That is more than enough now to justify anything they wish to do to us, and if you do not believe me just ask Limbaugh or the rest in the media. Remember as of July ninth two thousand and eight we crossed the threshold from “upon probable cause’ to “reasonably believe.” That my friends is a very low bar indeed. Serial killers reasonably believe they are doing God’s work. When reason is corrupted or jaded one can reasonably believe anything they choose.
You know I have to laugh now as I think back to the days of Clinton, and how it was said he would be the one to do what Bush has done to the people of this nation, because he was a democrat. I remember the militias running around in the woods in their cami’s and yelling to the world “we will fight the fascist democrats and defend our constitution’…blaugh, blaugh, blaugh. Since Bush and the “conservatives” showed up well, not a peep and no more running through the woods in cami’s.
Of course many of my friends say these tyrants aren’t real conservatives, but I do not agree. They conserve a lot. They have conserved our money to the point we don’t have any. They conserve college education so much that only a chosen few can go. They have conserved our houses, cars, fuel, medical care, economy, jobs, and most of all they have conserved our Rights. They are generous though, because they left us one Right…that is “to remain silent”, and that seems to be the one most Amerikans love the best.
So my friends I’ll end this melancholy rant with these two items for your consideration. The first turned out to be quite prophetic… that is if you believe in ghost or Santa, but nonetheless I think worth heading, because it is very good advice now : “watch what you do and say in these times.” Ari Fleischer
The last is the end of a poem that summarizes the end of this nation. Oddly enough these words written in 1925 captured like a photograph our county’s death bed confession :
“This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.”
T.S. Eliot full text here http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/784/
July 10th, 2008 at 5:05 am
The Bank of America is known as a money-laundering unit for the CIA. I have been blogging and networking for a long time. Therefore, I have shared some personal information about my having
to put my mother in a nursing facility. She has A-plus credit. I have had to put out a credit fraud
alert, call the sherrif, call her local bank (NOT The B of A), the credit agencies, ad nauseum. I
had to send a copy of the original Power of Attorney to the B of A, registered receipt request. They
signed for it, assigned a case file number and supposedly flagged the account for fraud, but they
have been playing cat and mouse in rude form, telling me that my documents weren’t enough
and refused my requests for all papers concerned as to how this account came to be opened, and
what branch the account was opened at, etc. Today, they played musical extentions to avoid me,
and I threatened them with the Provost Marshal. They cut me off with a busy signal.
Mom’s bank agreed that this is bizarre, and they offer to intercede for the information as my witness in fact. If the B of A still won’t comply, I WILL call the Provost Marshall and sue. And I will
spread this news all over the country to give support to the truth. Alex, I implore you! HELP!
Since my Power of Attorney documents are good enough for the Sherrif, and Adult Protection Services, and the doctor, the hospital, and the nurse’s facility AND her local bank, they are sure
as hell good enough for B of A, which isn’t her bank. I pleaded with these snots that I was only trying to protect my mom. They didn’t give a rat’s patoot! They were covering their ass. And I felt
as if they were enjoying the game. I’m an astute observer of human behavior. THEY WERE PLAY-
ING A GAME. And my mom’s bank told me,”That’s not the way a bank is supposed to do business.
We will help you”. B of A is widely known as an asshole. If any of you have stories about them to share, please do.
as hell good enough for B of A. They do not want me to know that they took it opon themselves to
open this bogus account and wreak havoc. Capitol One, whom she cancelled in 2003 is trying the
same type of deal, by insisting her account with them is still open, and they continously send her
blank checks in the mail.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:09 am
just make public callbox hoaxes throughout the US, that should bring in plenty of unwanted overtime…then they might realise its all just too much work…
July 10th, 2008 at 6:26 am
the good news?
Barack is looking less and less like a winner. John McCain has major financial problems.
Maybe Saxo Bank was right at the beginning of the year-Ron Paul will be the next president.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:28 am
this gives us all a reason to get our own communications network online. Anyone ready to start the next communication revolution?
July 10th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Well good. Now they can dragnet, listen to our daily drama, get excited, distracted & get paid. I know some of THEM personally. Be afraid AMERICA be very afraid. Obviously Congress has no clue about the warm bodies in the little rooms doing a massive (if not boring) job. A little homework dear congress & this bill would not have passed.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:01 am
On an after thought.. A little homework dear America & our congress will not have the opportunity to do something like this again. NEW HIRES COULD DO BETTER THAN THIS.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:31 am
it doesn’t matter because regardless whether congress passes this law it will not hold up if someone pushes the Constitutionality of it. It violates the 1st amendment and the 4th amendment at the very least.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Plus, this congress, president and judiciary are all in violation of the Constitution so every law they pass are invalid…Unconsitutional Government cannot and will not pass Constitutional laws!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:39 am
An unconstitutional government will never pass a constitutional law…this government is illegitimate therefore these laws are as though the never existed. They cannot make an illigal
act legal retroactively.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Do you people honestly believe no one intelligent disagrees with alex jones? cause if thye did, they wouldn’t be allowed on the Air since jones has no debating skills due to a lack of knowledge.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Agreed Lucy, But, it seems with congresses over-all approval rating, they have ulterior motives to be apprehensively eavesdropping, and kick-back little favors to their little media whores.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Citizens, let’s find a way to start an Abolish The Federal Reserve movement. As they long they stay in control, we will remain enslaved.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Anna.. You said ” We are here to protect your liberty & freedom”. So you are with NSA? Really? Tax dollars well ( ?) spent.. cruising the Alex Jones bloggers. You made my point.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Just talked to a few people. They see nothing wrong with it. They’ve got nothing to hide. I guess they won’t object either when we are forced to house soldiers to protect us against terrorists.
Just remember they can turn on your cell phone’s microphone and listen to you without your knowledge already… Even if you’re phone’s off.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Good for them CJ, if they are talking to their wives or husbands on the phone many people out here feel that no one but them should know what color undergarments who has on and who is doing what while out of town guy…everyone has something to hide unless ur friends are swingers come on now.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:44 am
And I’m talking to ur friends who feel that way and I know people who the same, and when I ask him if he would share his wife with another man he frowns up. Well ur on the phone with ur woman and u ask what she has on in all the details some other douche is listening on the line too what is that
July 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
IT’S ABOUT TIME. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
PAY THAT PHONE BILL BOYS AND GIRLS! SUBSIDIZE MY SALARY YOU LOSERS! HAHAHAHA!
July 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am
I can’t wrap my mind around how many people in the congress and senate are involved in this corruption. Any right upstanding citizen and a servant of the people could allow such a bill to pass.
It just shows you how many of them in the senate and congress are part of this. Hilary went the other way because she already new what the outcome would be, so to put on a show of goodness voted the other way. What a farce this whole system has become.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
The few Senators who voted against this criminal FISA amendment should be thanked. I have written to thank the Senator of my State of Rhode Island–Senator Jack Reed http://reed.senate.gov/contact/
The other Senators who voted against this action should be given support .
Democrats voting against final passage of the FISA bill: Akaka – Biden – Bingaman – Boxer – Brown – Byrd – Cantwell – Cardin – Clinton – Dodd – Dorgan – Durbin – Feingold – Harkin – Kerry – Klobachur – Lautenberg – Leahy – Levin – Menendez – Murray – Reed – Reid – Sanders – Schumer – Stabenow – Tester – Wyden.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:27 am
TCH, This is terrible…Well get ready everyone, now there is nothing stopping them. Now they listen to all our conversations and do whatever they want after. It doesn’t matter if your a terrorist or not, say hello to the police state. BS!
July 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
For a month or so, I made some arguments on this Blog that supported Sen. Obama.
Many times I just wanted infowars and others to back up any allegations made against him or his wife. I kinda of like him, and felt like it was worth taking a chance on his candidacy–particularly once he beat the pantsuits off of Hillary.
Now, although I still want this site to be top notch in its reporting and would desire that all of us awake people require the best of one another, I must say, I was totally wrong about the Senator from Illinois.
Please accept my heart felt apology. I certainly didn’t mean to offend anyone.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:42 am
For people like Anna and so on…listen, THERE ARE NO TERRORISTS as described by your government. There’s no such thing, it’s a lie. The destruction of the country, constitution and bill of rights is all being done by design and with total disregard for the law. It is being done to put the people at a serious disadvantage from which recovery is incredibly difficult. Do you enjoy being lied to and living in a self-fabricated non-reality? STOP SUPPORTING THEIR LIES! You people are weak and pathetic.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Alex just exposed people like you in the first 25 minutes of today’s show.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hello Anna!
Soon……………….soon!
Soon it will be time to take a stand,
With the Constitution and a gun in our hand,
Patriots will rise and cleanse their land,
With the blood of tyrants running red,
No quarters will be given, all guilty of treason will be dead!
HOO_YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.theamericanvoice.com
July 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Re:Anna
Anna you are probably a Fed. Anyway how many buildings fell on 911? 2 or 3?
Who did this? Hope you have an answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5genXmKBrc
July 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Anna and Jasmine – Get a life…..like you represent the NSA…give me a break, if you knew the NSA at all you would understand that they wouldn’t admit being on this post in the first place, nor announce they are hear to protect us….read history – hell take a history course…you have so much to learn both of you.
Yesterday, the NSA through Shaw Cable Communication in Calgary – Canada – yup thats right people through Canada, attempted to hack my computer system at home. Caught them doing whats called in IT – Port Knocking, to try and infilitrate my firewall.. BUSTED…..sent Shaw Cable a nice – email asking them to inform the NSA to stop invading on my right to privacy, and to stop trying to come into my home network. Shaw Cable never responded……of course….For those connected to the Internet, do not fret, a website named Cryptome.org is here to help us identify those from the NSA trying to hack our home internet networks. He has a complete list of NSA affiliated network blocks globally. It might surprise you ANNA and Jasmine to know that the NSA trys to hack into US Citizens home networks from Foreign Network IP Blocks, so as to make it look like its China, or Canada or Korea or Turkey – Iran etc…..One way to block this activity is to utilize a deep firewall ruleset that blocks all these NSA known IP BLOCKs….once you do this, any traffic from them will simply be DROPPED. Now this doesn’t stop them from grabbing the data from Carnivore and Echelon at the ISP side, but – with encryption going out, or TOR – The Onion Router project you can severely cripple them from making any progress. Fight this to the end…..never give up…..ANNA and Jasmine, your disinformation work on behalf of the NSA doesn’t work here, so go to another site and do your job….LOL…..There are too many of us now Anna and Jasmine, the time is now, and we are ready, full of information and knowledge and you can’t do a damn thing about. Strength in numbers……..and our numbers are in the 10s of million….look out – here we come!!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Kinda funny every traitor that voted yes to this new fisa bill will have all there phone calls and e-mails monitored right along with the rest of us.This spying could be used for blackmail purposes.Hope you traitors,(senators) don’t have anything to hide.Also remember that it was Qwest that said NO to Bushes spying and breaking the law to do it.Everyone should send a thank you letter to this company.At the time the spying was taking place the old Fisa Bill was still enacted,so why couldn’t they still be held responsible.Everyone of those traitors who voted yes need to be voted out of office,thats my mild solution.When you hit these large corporations in the pocket book they take notice,because they worship money.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Spartan, let us hope the tyrants hand it over peacefully so we may not be forced to get back our freedoms by force.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Welcome to Dictatorship