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Congressional Leaders Fight Against Posting Bills Online
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Susan Ferrechia
Educate-Yourself
October 7, 2009
Forward courtesy of Frank Ani, Jr
Congressional Leaders Fight Against Posting Bills Online (Oct. 6, 2009)
As Congress lurches closer to a decision on an enormous overhaul of the American health care system, pressure is mounting on legislative leaders to make the final bill available online for citizens to read before a vote. Lawmakers were given just hours to examine the $789 billion stimulus plan, sweeping climate change legislation and a $700 billion bailout package before final votes. While most Americans normally ignore parliamentary detail, with health care looming, voters are suddenly paying attention. The Senate is expected to vote on a health bill in the weeks to come, representing months of work and stretching to hundreds of pages. And as of now, there is no assurance that members of the public, or even the senators themselves, will be given the chance to read the legislation before a vote.”The American people are now suspicious of not only the lawmakers, but the process they hide behind to do their work,” said Michael Franc, president of government relations for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
At town hall meetings across the country this past summer, the main topic was health care, but there was a strong undercurrent of anger over the way Congress rushed through passage of the stimulus, global warming and bank bailout bills without seeming to understand the consequences. The stimulus bill, for example, was 1,100 pages long and made available to Congress and the public just 13 hours before lawmakers voted on it.
The bill has failed to provide the promised help to the job market, and there was outrage when it was discovered that the legislation included an amendment allowing American International Group, a bailout recipient, to give out millions in employee bonuses.”If someone had a chance to look at the bill, they would have found that out,” said Lisa Rosenberg, who lobbies Congress on behalf of the Sunlight Foundation to bring more transparency to government. The foundation has begun an effort to get Congress to post bills online, for all to see, 72 hours before lawmakers vote on them.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
What you don’t know can hurt you:
» House energy and global warming bill, passed June 26, 2009. 1,200 pages. Available online 15 hours before vote.
» $789 billion stimulus bill, passed Feb. 14, 2009. 1,100 pages. Available online 13 hours before debate.
» $700 billion financial sector rescue package, passed Oct. 3, 2008. 169 pages. Available online 29 hours before vote.
» USA Patriot domestic surveillance bill, passed Oct. 23, 2001. Unavailable to the public before debate.
A similar effort is under way in Congress. Reps. Brian Baird, D‐Wash., and Greg Walden, R‐Ore., are circulating a petition among House lawmakers that would force a vote on the 72 hour rule. Nearly every Republican has signed on, but the Democratic leadership is unwilling to cede control over when bills are brought to the floor for votes and are discouraging their rank and file from signing the petition. Senate Democrats voted down a similar measure last week for the health care bill. The reluctance to implement a three day rule is not unique to the Democrats. The Republican majority rushed through the controversial Patriot Act in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as well as a massive Medicare prescription drug bill in 2003 that added hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.
For the majority party, legislative timing plays a big role in whether a bill will pass because support can be fleeting.”The leaders use it as a tool to get votes or to keep amendments off a bill,” said one top Senate Democratic aide. But Baird warned of public backlash.
“Democrats know politically it’s difficult to defend not doing this,” he said. “The public gets this. They say we entrust you with the profound responsibility of making decisions that affect our lives, and we expect you to exercise due diligence in carrying out that responsibility.”
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October 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I Wouldnt put anything past these cockroach pig demons.
A Patriot Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Agreed!
bob b Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Society is like a stew. If you don’t stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum floats to the top.
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Tailgunner Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
… and next election or the one after that, the republicans will take control again and the democrats will have the same complaints as the republicans do now, and will try to pass the 72 hour bill with no success, and so on, and so forth…
This is all for show.
A majority of any party which can circumvent the other is bad enough, but when the two parties are one in the same with different but equal platforms…
This is just a way to do a run around on the checks and balances system that was set into place for this very purpose.
They all need to be excused, charged with treason and corruption, and replaced.
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effy Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Democrapyjobs / Republicandowhatever , like flipin pancakes
different s--- , same day
for over forty years I’ve watched this routine.
why anyone beliefs in it is evidence of the success of media mind control.
effy Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
BeLIEfS : a LIE surrounded by BS
Red Dawn 09 Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Hell yes they should post them 72 hours before passing them. That would give everyone 3 days to email and write the hell out of congress to say “no vote for you if you pass this bill”.
Tailgunner Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
No. They should post them for 72 days before passing them. 72 hours is not enough time to study all of the nuances and nooks and crannies of all of these bills and the sections, sub-sections, sub-sub-sections, and sub-sub-sub-sections which hold the earmarks and completely irrelevant hidden bills that get placed secretly in there in exchange for favorable votes.
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tomhoser Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
well, some lead time anyway. Why not call, write pres. O. and have him do this by executive order???
Ten Megaton Reply:
October 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
WTF., you can’t be serious.
Kayhla Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Yeah 72 days is more like it. But then again, when the elections are rigged, and you are not represented at all, what does it really matter. If we insist on this sham of a Republic, can we at least impose strict term limits? Shouldn’t that be the biggest issue for the Amerikan people? Where is the pressure? Where is Ron Paul? Time to make it happen, Congressman Paul. Oh wait, that would mean you couldn’t run again. Nothing like a “career” in “public service.” And he is my favorite one. Sad.
Morees Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
If the elite did not have the mindset to show people What their about to do….
you wouldn’t even Here about these bills anymore.
Its don’t to dbl. our pain, and dbl. their fun.
Dont Take The Vaccine
Morees Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
heh…excuse my ‘moment’
don’t=done
Horse Reply:
October 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Even if they post the stuff as some want, 72 hours isn’t enough time to read the crap (and sift through the legal ease mumbo jumbo) and then organize opposition against it. The right wing is simply looking to gain political points, nothing more. This effort isn’t what it appears to be.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Oh yeah and 1st.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Of course they dont want what they do to be public.
http://www.Vote3rdPartyNow.org
October 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Hmmmm… wonder why
October 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
damn right, they better do their “due diligence”
October 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Head the warning of the people and walk out of office before we DRAG YOU OUT. Your day will come and NO you will not have a nice fancy jail cell you will be in general pop. with the murders, rapists, and gang bangers just like the rest of America if they get in trouble. CONGRESS, THE SENATE and THE WHITE HOUSE ARE ALL CROOKS. YOU ARE ALL GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES AS AN ACCOMPLICE, BRIBERY, PURGURY, RICO ACT VIOLATIONS, MURDER, RAPE, GENOCIDE, EMBEZZLEMENT, TREASON, ABUSE OF POWER, TERRORISM, FEAR MONGERING. Hope you see the light before the people, because you know what happens when the MOB marches to your office demanding answers/change.
AJ Minion Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
When you get to the point of marching to their office, just escort them out because they will say anything to get their ass out of a jam. Of course they are going to “see the light” under those conditions. Put them on trial with a panel of citizens overseeing the court, you cannot trust the judges anymore. I’m sure there will be a citizen in every state that can take the job over until the elections. Better make sure term limits for every government position, that includes the judges.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
They do their deeds in darkness like their father the devil.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Not that I’m a Republican(I’m Libertarian),but it is the Democrats who are attempting to hide the nefarious points in these proposals.
Typical.
NOPE! Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
IF that was true, the Pubs would be out there pojnting out the screwings.
Dave Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Yep!,the Republicans are in fact pointing out that the dems are resisting this publicity move to post the details online.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Does anyone doubt all the DEMONcrats are bought and paid for by Obama and his goons.
“don’t question us, we’re in control now, just sign the damn bills, you don’t need to read them”
October 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
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October 7th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
yes virginia it is all to get us involved health care wake up its time to die
October 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Well, it should be as simple as “IF I CAN’T SEE IT, MY VOTE IT “NO!” AUTOMATICALLY.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Well, it should be as simple as “IF I CAN’T SEE IT, MY VOTE IS AUTOMATICALLY “NO!”
October 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
It’s all about concealing what they’re doing to us. Of course, most of you don’t ever read the actual bills, just the articles about them. Most of you applaud every new gun control bill that purports to remove some restriction on your gun rights, even though a cursory reading of the actual legislation usually shows it does exactly the opposite. For example, Pennsylvania’s new gun law that supposedly protects Pennsylvania gun owners from federal gun laws, but only protects the owners of guns made in Pennsylvania and only those that remain within Pennsylvania’s borders.
Sooky Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
All of the “State Gun Rights Protection Laws” are the same. Doesn’t matter, the Feds will force them into compliance. Cut funding here, there and everywhere.
roaddog6 Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
going along to get along.
Gary Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
They won’t need to. The laws themselves don’t protect anyone.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
If they do not post it, we do not have to accept their votes.
Plain and simple. They work for us.
Why don’t they offer us their coverage they get for being a Federal Worker/ They represent us, they are not better then we are!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
If neither party reads what their voting on then they represent those who wrote the bills and not the people they say they represent.
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kat Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
MAYBE THEY WILL BLOW US ALL TO HELL , THEN IT WILL BE DONE !
October 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
It’s called term limits, if you screw the the people your out, never to serve again
October 7th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
This is more proof that they don’t want the people to know the truth about these bills . Can’t post them online ! AND WON’T
October 7th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
How many of you people even know how to look up a bill online????
Come on… someone out there really does know…. right?
Well if you don’t, here is where you go: thomas dot loc dot gov
Read them and you will be able to offer lively debate because they haven’t even read them.
If they don’t post them online, who would ever read them?
Sarah Reply:
October 7th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
They are hoping Americans will remain lazy enough so they can get away with the crimes they commit everyday against the people.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
When two parties enter an agreement, they need to know what they are agreeing to, to make it legal. When Congress fails to read and understand the bills they sign into law, that law or laws are non binding. If both parties signed without knowing or reading the legal document, both parties are legally in default and the signed law is null and void.
I here by state that all the bills that this 111th. Congress has made into law needs to be revoted on only only if all parties agree after they have read and know what they are voting on.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
When are they going to realize they work for us? They best realize this and real soon. Americans are sick of this hide and seek game they like to play. Post all the bills and read them through. I think as soon as a bill is introduced it should be available to the people. Let them know and demand we see them all.
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October 8th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I think government needs to be put in ‘time out’ where they can’t do continual harm to the public.
I’d be happy to have the Executive Branch and the Congress just take their paycheck and go on vacation and leave the public alone. This comment was just as true for the previous Congress and Administration. The public could bring the military home, close our borders and concentrate on rebuilding our economy.
October 8th, 2009 at 8:38 am
want to see bills before they are debated? Then it is YOUR duty to know whom you elect to office. Everyone of the jack booted thugs that poses as a public servant was elected to their current office. Not sharing the bills is disgusting and not suprisingly led by the far left democrats. We must take back America in 2010 and restore the very qualities and values this country was founded upon. Secrecy, unbalanced budgets, higher taxes, bigger government, loss of constitutional freedoms are happening all around us. What will YOU do to help turn the tide before we lose our country?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
If Obamas healthcare bill passes you will be chipped soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read pages 1000 – 1006 of HR 3200 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you interpret this the same way as I??????????
October 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
f--- you obama you commy scum bag!!!!!!!!!!!
you make me vomit
October 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Thats the problem. The peasant folks can read. Arrest all that can read (except for us special people of course) and put them in the FEMA camps. If we tell them the truth they will storm the gates and I’ll be hanged for sure. Enslave them and imprison them but for gawds sake dont let them read, speak or run free.
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