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Counterfeiting? Bank of England able to print money without having legally to declare it
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Edmund Conway
UK Telegraph
January 16, 2009
The Government is set to throw out the 165-year old law that obliges the Bank to publish a weekly account of its balance sheet – a move that will allow it theoretically to embark covertly on so-called quantitative easing. The Banking Bill, which is currently passing through Parliament, abolishes a key section of the law laid down by Robert Peel’s Government in 1844 which originally granted the Bank the sole right to print UK money.
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The ostensible reason for the reform, which means the Bank will not have to print details of its own accounts and the amount of notes and coins flowing through the UK economy, is to allow the Bank more power to overhaul troubled financial institutions in the future, under its Special Resolution Authority.
However, some have warned that it means: “there is nothing to stop an unreported and unmonitored flooding of the money market by the undisciplined use of the printing presses.”
It comes after the Bank’s Monetary Policy Committee cut interest rates by half a percentage point, leaving them at the lowest level since the bank’s foundation in 1694.
With the Bank rate now at 1.5pc, most economists suspect the Government and Bank will soon be forced to start quantitative easing – directly increasing the quantity of money in the economy – in a drastic attempt to prevent a recession of unprecedented depth.
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January 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
It’s all bullshit anyway , WTF !!!
January 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Basically what’s described the short film Money as debt. I recently watched this, and this is really simple to follow and understand how money is literally created out of nothing. I suggest everyone watch it.
Money as debt – 45 minutes
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
January 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Do you think the fancy lads over in england really care? The fact that they still hold the notion of royalty shows just how stupid and backwards they are! Britain colonized the world and now the U.S. is expected to run around putting out the fires they started. The destruction of England would be a great day for humanity. I feel sick everytime I see starry eyed limeys speak with reverance for the inbred, dead-beat, royal family. Oh yes, jolley old England is overflowing with wankers!
aussie Reply:
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am
commander in chief, queen, whats the diff? you guys worship your president…
australians dont worship our pm…we are just too stupid and lazy to care. we whine how politicians are dodgy, yet we keep rocking up to elections where we KNOW the exact same group of people (reshuffled since last election) will be waiting for our forced vote. You will hear from australians all the time – why do you care about politics? theres nothing you can do…theres plenty we can do you lazy docile backward bunch of morons that take your liberty for granted.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Yeah, well what about the Alex Jones show just talking counterfeit? If my pound note is turning to shit well so is this show. If it carries on I’m outa here. All I hear is OBAMA,,OBAMA, OBAMA,OBAMA, Obama this and Obama that. For a show that professes he’s just a puppet it sure does go on about him a lot. I’ve heard his name a 100,000 times this show alone it sounds like an advert for the dick. Maybe it’s just Bermas and he’s got some gay infatuation. Ok if you’re gay Bermas that’s fine but don’t ’shove it’ down OUR THROATS so deeply PLEASE!!!
Why not talk about his adviser? The real player behind the scenes? Brzezinski’s talk at Chatham House for instance.
Ok Obama was on the cover of a comic. Fine. End of story.
Bermas, you’re such a girl.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
What do you expect.England is the original professional con artist nation.Nothing england does surprises me.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
The Treasury M3report which listed weekly money in circulation (whether paper currency or electronic credits), called the M3, has been concealed from the public for almost three years. “National security concerns” is the usual excuse. But there is one reason, and only one, why such a thing would be done– to hide the amount of money being ‘poofed’ into existence, and with it, the associated true inflation rate. It is the identical reason for the Bank of England’s subterfuge. Imagine if new creditors had no way of knowing how much you earned or had borrowed from other creditors– it would be impossible to gauge your credit worthiness on any new loan. But that is precisely what the US and now UK governments are doing.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
labrat7 wtf are u on about who do u think showed your piss pot goverment how to screw plp over? yeah the english and if it wasnt for us helping u out in europe and painting a good picture of u im pretty shore u would hav been in shit creek along time ago.ive got nothing against my friends across the pond but as for calling all english men wankers dude your on thin ice!
January 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Just keep watering it down and flooding us with more debt! Ugh, I feel sick!
January 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Hey Michael Leigh
I didn’t call all englishmen wankers. I said england was overflowing with wankers. I love how the english people now profess to be hardcore progressives after plundering the entire world. If you are so goddamned progressive why don’t get out of N. Ireland and leave your loyalist scum to face the justice they deserve. Your empire drew the maps of the middle east and africa and so you are to blame for all of this madness. Europe is dying and rightly so! I support the IRA. When they mortar bombed 10 downing street I think a lot of brits stained their knickers. 800 years and still fighting. The future doesn’t belong to the English!
UP THE IRA YOU LIMEY WANKER!
January 16th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
“Oh yes, jolley old England is overflowing with wankers!”
Sounds like you’re one yourself.
Still, it’s nice to be able to blame someone else for every problem there is, isn’ it? Worked for Hitler too…..
January 16th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Quote: I love how the english people now profess to be hardcore progressives after plundering the entire world.
So I presume you reserve that attitude for Italians and their plundering of a huge chunk of the world during the Roman period? Or for the Greeks and their Empire, and for China or any other imperialist power of the past. Also you might want to learn the difference between English people and British. Not all English folks consider themselves British for a start.
Quote: If you are so goddamned progressive why don’t get out of N. Ireland and leave your loyalist scum to face the justice they deserve.
If you check your facts, the majority of the government for the past 12 years have been Scots. You’ll also find that the most hard core loyalist supporters in the British Isles can be found in Scotland. Go visit Glasgow. As you may have noticed also England does not have a devolved parliament and has no real say anyway since big business and their buddies run the show.
I know lots of English folks who would be happy for Northern Ireland to rejoin the republic.They’d also like to see England extracted from the ruinous Union as well.
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Your empire drew the maps of the middle east and africa and so you are to blame for all of this madness.
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Not 100% accurate but I know what you are getting at. However nobody forced each other to start killing each other in the name of Islam/tribal warfare etc. after the fall of the British Empire.
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Europe is dying and rightly so! I support the IRA.
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They have disbanded now. Did you support the fact the IRA where also supporting Hitler during World War 2?
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When they mortar bombed 10 downing street I think a lot of brits stained their knickers.
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And you think a lot of English people support their government over there? You seen the miners strike, Pol tax riots? Maggie Thatcher was hated by a large proportion of English folks.
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800 years and still fighting.
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Thankfully politics is the way forward now.
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The future doesn’t belong to the English!
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It doesn’t belong to bigots like yourself who resort to tribal battles to define yourself.
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UP THE IRA YOU LIMEY WANKER!
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Honestly, is that your contribution to the discussion, grow the fuck up.
January 16th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Down she goes..
January 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
labrat7 said: “Europe is dying and rightly so!”
Oh that was great said. Thank you my American friend. All to kind of you I must say. I see that you have a great love for Europe…that`s just nice.
The real sad thing is that you may be right…we maybe do deserve what is coming to us, but to be glad over it, that`s just too evil…or ignorant. I am not English…nor Brit, but don`t be so unfair to them. michael leigh is very much right…not many here in Europe are fond of USA right now…when people talk about USA phrases like “stupid Americans”, “European scumbag”, “uncritically war hungry people” come up. You are NOT helping the situation. USA without Europe…that wouldn’t be good for anyone. Many Europeans still do like USA though.
January 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
& still we fight like children lmao fecking UK this Us that, divide & conquer pmsl you fools, go play with your Lego there is a little more at stake here. We will have our Euro & you will have your Amero whether we like it or not, the question is how easy will it be for them to do it? Well there sure aint no resistance here! & OH! my DAD is bigger than your DAD Eric! pmsl
January 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
OH WELL, THAT 165yr OLD RULE WAS DATED ANYWAY !!! PLUS NOW, WE’VE GOT OUR VERY
OWN US FEDERAL RESERVE, YEAH !!!
I FCUKIN HATE O”BAAA”MA BIN LADEN & ALL OF HIS ZIO-NEO-SCUM CRIMINAL FRIENDS !!!
WE’RE IN AN EDUCATION WAR FOLKS !!!
INFO-WARRIORS ………………………………………… ACCELERATE THE INFORMATION WAR !!!
POWER 2 THE PEOPLE …. REVOL
BY THE PEOPLE ………………….. UTION
4 THE PEOPLE ……………………………. TIME
TIME TO UNITE & FIGHT 4 OUR RIGHTS !!!
January 16th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
labrat7 u havnt a clue what your on about i take it your from a poor uneducated family coz your mother didnt teach u anything about the real world.Is that the only thing u can come up with ?the IRA lol oh dear boy plz go bck to school and learn something coz your makeing your self look a twat! and just how ill educated u realy are.
January 16th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
So the private corporation that trades as ‘the old lady of threadneedle street’ aka the Bank of England is going to print shed loads of cash and cause hyper inflation…oh joy.
January 16th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
to post rebel cause
Well, well, well, it seems I kicked over a rats nest and angered my oh sooo sophisticated european allies! How easily you try to remove yourselves from the problems you create like an arsonist whistling as he walks away from the inferno. Weren’t those British soldiers who were patrolling the streets of Belfast sent and sanctioned by “great” Britain. The IRA never disbanded or disarmed. They are quiet for now due to all of the hype about “terrorism” but they will be back and you know it. I can’t blame them for siding with Hitler. He bombed the nation that had been kicking them around for centuries. It was merely out of convenience.
Furthermore, I’ll condemn all European imperialists be they british, italian, spanish or whatever the fuck else!
I loved it when you said politics has advanced. To what? A state of affairs in which these issues can be dragged out indefinitely and ultimately denying people the justice they deserve. The IRA bombed because politics have repeatedly failed them.
You call me a bigot! What about your treatment of India? You mention China. HAHA another one of your former colonies(hong kong, opium wars).
I don’t hate you! But there seems to be an element in british society that refuses to accept the pain and suffering you have inflicted worldwide. Europeans love to push Americans to be ashamed of their nation but are insulted when an American does the same to them. Truth be told, there isn’t much to be proud of!
Finally, who did Hitler try to model his reich after? The Brits of course!
P.S. I rather enjoy this arguement your intelligence has made it fun(thats a compliment). I would like to resolve this dispute but I can’t if you ignore the past.
I’LL SHOW YOU SOME RESPECT WHEN YOU REMOVE YOUR DEADBEAT KINGS AND QUEENS! THAT GOES FOR ALL EUROPEANS! UNTIL THEN YOU ARE STILL A BUNCH OF LIMEY WANKERS!
RESPOND IF YOU DARE
January 16th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7829676.stm
check this out
January 16th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
TO 2ND POST MICHAEL LEIGH
YOUR LAST COMMENT SEEMED TO BE COMPOSED BY A SEMI-RETARDED MENTAL PATIENT!
GO BACK TO THE VIDEO GAMES AND LET THE BIG BOYS HAVE A DISCUSSION!
SUCK MY TALLYWAGGER YOU REDCOAT BASTARD!
January 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
#9—you probably already know, but it came out that the queen was behind the bombings in ireland. As soon as it hit the public’s eye, the bombings stopped. All it was was false flags for political gains.
January 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
TO POST ROADOG
It is true that some of the IRA bombings were indeed false-flag ops(I call them piggyback ops). When events in N. Ireland were getting out of control(thanks to good americans supplying them with weapons) British intel infiltrated the IRA. They were known as “supergrass”. They even allowed british agents to fire upon and kill brit soldiers in order to earn their “bonafides”. These men would undoubtedly be trusted by the IRA and they would turn on them testifying against them in court. This is the main reason that the IRA split into several factions. It was needed in order to survive. They became CIRA, RIRA, PIRA, and others. It is difficult to know which operations were real and which were “piggybacked”. But the fight is real and they could never infiltrate the entire organization due to splitting into smaller tightly controlled cells. Much can be learned from the IRA, I suggest you do some research. They are in fact an undefeated army!
Brian Watson Reply:
March 17th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
You say the IRA were an undefeated army, well we can’t exactly say they were victorious because their prime goal was a United Ireland and this has certainly not been achieved. There appears to be confusion as the IRA is basically a redundant finished organisation. Are you not confusing the IRA with the Provisional IRA, who sustained a very intense military campaign up until the Good Friday Agreement. The idea of ‘Order to Survive’ is not quite correct as the IRA was the fore runner of the terriorist organisation, but the PIRA were the big players the terror war. The Supergrass persons had nothing to do with the IRA, they were involved mostly wth the loyalist para military wings and the Provos to a lesser degree. The Real IRA and the CIRA were independent groups each with their own agenda. Hope this clarifies the position. One thing I do agree with is that Irish American money funded and helped sustain the killing machine of the PIRA, but then again the late former Irish Prime Minister Charles Haughey funded the start up and arming of the Provos….. enough said.
January 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
These mainstream media, like the UK Tellie, get such a ride out of the idiocy of the actual reader. They can just implant in people’s minds the complete fabrication that all money is printed at some point – even when it is created to help “troubled” banks.
It’s got little to do with printing presses and lots to do with monetising debt and inflationary monetary policy.
By the way, how cute that term is; “troubled” – like “troubled assets” and so on. Interesting how they try to manipulate us ever so subtly by their choice of terms.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Hell yeah!Let’s start printing money!That way it won’t be worth freggin’ thang!
January 17th, 2009 at 3:11 am
his vids been banned too many times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmXcsaz7BIs spread this around before they ban it again
January 17th, 2009 at 3:12 am
here it comes. Get ready world…..oh, and by the way, hold on to your silver and gold!
January 17th, 2009 at 5:54 am
In case you haven’t been informed, the FED wants [and just might be] printing US Federal Reserve Notes [that's US DOLLARS] & issuing IT’S OWN BONDS. This is SOOOOO freaking rich. They want/are issuing money backed by their own bonds, AND WE HAVE TO BACK BOTH! THE FREAKING TREASURY IS GETTING CUT OUT OF THE LOOP. THE GODDAM BANKERS ARE OPENLY STEALING THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY AND THE GOVERNMENT IS TOO FREAKING COWARDLY TO STOP THEM. “Oh, we can’t tell them no. We can’t arrest them for their actions. They might get mad & shut down the system”. BULLSHIT, if the government WANTS the bankers to “PLAY NICE” they need to execute a couple of them for these crimes. And what the government fails to do the people always take care of.
January 17th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Wow, this one got a wee bit heated!!
Just a few points:
America at the moment is largely disliked (The state not the people!) for being imperialistic, but Britain did (and still does through the commonwealth) have one of the largest empires in history, we do have a bit of a cheek to gripe at the yanks! Also seing as the vast majority of Presidents have a blood line back to British Royalty, do we still have a covertly placed finger in the pie?!
Glasgow is bad for sectarianism, but most of that is through social conditioning and most of the people have no idea of the history of the situation, one point I find interesting is that the Pope financed William of Orange, go figure the religious aspects on that one!
So now we basically have our own federal reserve system, is that right? As far as I know the BoE can only issue funds equal to that of the account balances it holds, is that still the case?
Either way this move is bad, bad, bad! Are they setting us up for a collapse like in the U.S, I mean we’re already in troube, but is this the killer blow?
Just read in the paper that another 90,000 jobs in the building industry are going to be lost, have a feeling that this year is going to be a BIG move time for NWO cronies, unemployment up 3% in one fell swoop!
And finally, don’t think there is much resistance over here at the moment because the powers that be aren’t as in your face with everything as they are in the U.S., but they are sneakily passing the laws to give them ultimate power/control when needed, I mean the right to enter your home to check the energy rating of your fridge, wtf!!!!
Also the fact that alot of laws get passed in Brussels without our even knowing doesn’t help matters, and the EU parliment is one of the most corrupt institutions on the face of the planet.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:22 am
While we’re at it let’s make a few copies of each buck with same serial no.’s and seperate/distribute them to different parts of the world. Couldn’t 1 dollar = 4 dollars that way.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am
This basically means that the Bank of England, and whoever owns it, has been given the green light to literally take over the world. If they can create money for themselves out of nothing, without having to loan it to governments or other banks, and are accountable to no-one, they have unlimited power to buy everything, control everything and at the same time totally destroy the real economy. Hey, Jacob! Yes Evelyn?. What shall we pay ourselves this month? 500 trillion? That should be enough to buy up the universe. A thousand trillion eh? Thats a sextillion isn’t it? Yeh, Sexy money!
January 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Will this let the bank of england buy US TREASURY NOTES since they can print as much as they want and finance us for now since China is slowing
January 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Hey LabRat – IRA is/was controlled by the British. “Divide & conquer” – that’s how they work…
January 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
#33—thank you. What we said turns out to be common knowledge. Obvious see through tactics that govt’s use for political footholds. When a person swims through all the propaganda and gets to the core of the issue, the truth becomes clear. The truth has as many layers as an onion does. I like to keep an open mind while I do my research but I do come to my conclusions in time. I take my findings from more than one source to reach a logical opinion thats based on the facts presented.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:25 am
“Quantitative easing” -(?) – look out,folks, this is a euphemism for applying LOTS of lubricant to a watermelon-sized object that’s gettin’ shoved up our bottom ends…
January 17th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I think the nwo is just putting “pressure” on the uk to adopt the euro……seen on 1 of their websites where tony blair got the blame for not doing so.
January 17th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
The Bank of England was the first central bank ever created. It is owned almost wholly by the Rothschild banking dynasty, who have been contolling England since its inception in 1694. Look at all the wars and conquests Enlgand has been involved in sicne that time. The Rothschilds also funded, and worked in tandem with almost every major US indrustialist is the past. It is also a well knows, public, FACT, that when JP Morgan died, he only owned 18% of his empire, the other 82% was owned by the Rothschild family. These fuckers have been running things for years! Why do you think there are sooooooooo many cameras in the city of London??? Its is because that is where the true power lies, and they are doing everything they can to make sure they have that city on lockdown. Now they are secretly going to print as much money as they want, so that when the US, and all the other major economies in the world crash, they can step in with there undless supply of monopoly money and buy up all the major infrastructure. Its clear through history, the global domination has been the goal of every empire, and this ons is no different. The main difference is though is that in the past, it has been done by force, and people resisted, and the conqueres never acheived their goal, but this time they are doing it by stealth. And with the help of techonoly, and their propaganda machines (aka the centralized main stream media), they may be able to scheive this if people dont wake the fuck up to whats going on. EVERY MUST DO WHAT THEY CAN INFOR OTHERS, IN EVERY COUNTRY……….. THIS GOES BEYOND COLOR, RACE, RELIGION, AND BORDERS. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY BRAIN WASHED FUCKS WHO DONT BELIVE YOU. IF THEY ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIVE ALL THE SPPON FED INFORMATION GIVEN TO THEM BY THE MEDIA, THEY DESERVE TO BE SLAVES. MAKE SURE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE PREPARED TO FACE WHATS COMING. ONLY THE STRING WILL SURVIVE!!!!!!!!!
DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!!!!! NEVER SUBMIT TO THESE ASSHOLES!!!!! THEY WERE NEVER SUCESSFUL IN THE PAST, DONT LET THEM BE SUCCESFFUL NOW!!!!!! DRAW YOUR LINE AND BE READY TO FIGHT WHEN THESE FUCKS CROSS IT, BECAUSE THEIR NEXT MOVE IS GOING TO A BIG ONE!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE GOING IN FOR THE KILL THIS TIME!!!! DONT LET THEM WIN!!!!!!!!!
January 17th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
to post ordo ab chao
If they were under such tight control why did the brits need to use SAS to assassinate them such as at Gibralter. The IRA was formed in 1916. You are fooling yourself if you think the British Gov has total power over the IRA or anyone else. This sounds like the the old saying there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox. That is what they want you to think. You’re an idiot if you think they have that much power. If they do, what is the point of resistance? What is the point of this web site? Quit being paralyzed by fear! You give them to much credit.
January 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
labrat7. May I suggest you hand the baton over to Labrat8.
Obviously the other six lab Rats died of self inflicted stupidity and your comments on this page are prime examples of premature senility. Lie die down and die before you whiskers explode. Leave this page to adults. There’s a good little rat.
January 17th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Since this is one of the better discussions on this site concerning all things NWO, i’d like to make another quick statement.
If this site is generating enough fear to the point that legitimate resistance movements worldwide are being discredited and labeled as mere puppets, I have to start wondering where the real conspiracy lays. I’ll agree that some IRA attacks were indeed false flag ops but not all. You need to look into the street fighting in Belfast and the other areas of the six counties(check out “free derry”). The British Gov continues to push the IRA to disarm as a precondition to political progress. An impossible request for any self respecting movement.
To any Americans reading this:
The Europeans can’t help us fix our nation. They are part of the reason it is broke. Americans must be the ones to lead the way. People responding to my posts keep speaking of unity and division. We are suppossed to embrace individual sovereignty for the nations. Isn’t that what we are fighting for. It seems like some of the folks posting comments about divide and conquer want to replace one form of world gov with another. If you want to have a stroke fest with our european counterparts then I suggest you take a vacation. Leave these discussions to people who are serious.
January 17th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
to post kriss
Until the people of “great” Britain pack up the palace and move the queen into a tower block I will totally refuse to seperate the British subjects from their government. But to give old john bull the benefit of the doubt i’ll ask a question:
Has anyone ever held a protest against the royal family while they are being paraded around in public?
I don’t hate all Brits but I do think they have serfdom in their hearts. Why else would you entertain the notion of royalty for so long?
P.S. Your media is even more shameful than our own. The last time I was overseas they had a war story next to bikini model in the newspaper. Distraction?
January 17th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
a lot of cash machines in the uk have paid out double on each transaction dozens of people lining up and no police questions ,if the same amount started a protest the police would be round them like fies around shit
January 17th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
The Federal Reserve has not published M3 information for a few years now. The BoE is simply doing the same.
January 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Labrat,
You should have tried reading the Sport, they even have a nipple count!
There are actually a big number of British that don’t agree with the fact we have a Royal Family.
I however can see that they serve a purpose that is good for the nation, and I am not a pro royalist before you start on that note, but they do bring in alot of tourism and act as good foriegn relations. I mean we’ve been upto just as much dirty underhand tricks as you guys but we don’t seem to get as much of a bad wrap around the world ….
I guess it may be hard for someone from acountry that has never had a King or Queen to understand, but we have for a long long time, so like you say I guess it’s just in our hearts or blood or something, it’s just the way it is! And somebody has to be in charge…. besides although she ultimately holds the power the Royals dont really interfere with the everyday running of the country, probably too busy with the NWO plans
January 17th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
In response to Labrat7: Oh yes, protests do go on when the Royals are paraded around. The protests usually go unmentioned by the media, if they do, its usually followed by a quick shot of the police man-handling a protester away from the area. You only have to listen to the sycophantic ranting of the BBC Royal correspondent to see how the British subjects are encouraged to think only happy thoughts about these expensive, out-of-touch people. I would say the younger generations couldn’t care one way or another if we have a Monarchy. The Queen is just a figurehead-I can’t think of one occasion when she has actually fought the Government over an issue, this is a right she could exercise but has done little with. I disagree with the idea that we have serfdom in our hearts-its just our views are not listened to. If people do protest its unlawful unless we seek permission from the State and Police. Did you know that since Blair came to power it is illegal to be part of a group of six(?) or more in the high-street as it contravenes the Riot Act.
As for your mention of shameful media-it has been noticed that for every tragic or hard-hitting piece of news on the BBC there is the distraction follow-up story that is “heart-warming” or “feel-good”. Failing that the sport section is there for the same purpose; keep our minds off the real world (leave the thinking to those in charge-don’t ask too many questions-keep out of trouble). I’ve focussed on the BBC because its the most accessible news channel that I watch in order to make these comments. I would be interested in what others think about other news channels.
That is all this subject has to say-except not all Brits are easily led & good question Labrat7!
January 17th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Yip,
and if you have more than 6 and music it’s an illegal rave!
January 17th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
to post simon
Nice! Someone with a head on their shoulders. Perhaps I was a bit hasty when I said England was overflowing with wankers in my previous comments. To be fair i’ve seen my own fellow americans gaze upon british royalty with starry eyes when they pay a visit to the states. Must be a fundemental human flaw to flock to power and wealth. We have our own “royalty”. There called Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, and now Obamas.
P.S. It’s even more sickening when I see Americans line up to get a glimpse of the Queen. Knowing our history and all. lol. Who’d a thunk it?
January 17th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
labrat> You missed the point of my post. There has been a long history of protest against the British state within England, as other posters have pointed out. The British oligarchy for a start aren’t just English folks, they have been a multinational bunch for a long time, go read your history books. Many of the Norman land owners, who invaded England where the ones who went on to invade Ireland, have have effectively controlled vast amounts of land and wealth for the past 900+ years.
English folks are obviously aware of the British empire etc. don’t try and lecture us on it, we know about India etc. This doesn’t of course excuse the IRA for supporting Hitler and his genocide.
Also try actually visiting Ireland, the progress made in Northern Ireland has been fantastic, there is no reason why people would want to go back to bombing and killing each other.
Maybe if you took some time to study and understand the political makeup of Britain you’d know a bit more about the struggles against the state and those who fought against slavery, and protested against the British governments actions in Ireland. I hasted to add BRITISH not English. England lost her government in 1707 at the act of Union. Lloyd George who sent in the Black and tans was Welsh for example.
Anyway I should know about this, my grandfathers family are Irish Catholics, and I mean really Irish, not some fake plastic shamrock crap like you see here in US.
Try reading about the following:
Robert Kett,
Watt Tyler,
Hereward the Wake,
The Chartists,
The Levellers,
The Diggers.
January 17th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
labrat> To add to the below. There is no point us all arguing, what good does it do? This is exactly the kind of thing that perpetuates the same problems through history. A line in the sand has to be drawn. We all have to move forward and say enough. There is no point arguing about the past, we can’t change that, but we can change what is happening now. Some guy getting paid $6 an hour in a call center in England, the US, France or anywhere else has no say in the actions of the oligarchs. There is no point blaming someone like this for the actions of a rich elite 100, 200, 800 or 1000 years ago who have divided the peoples of various nations and pitted them against each other for profit and power.
We can’t let the actions of the past excuse the actions of the present, no matter which country we reside in.
If the crap hits the fan here in the US I’ll be standing next to my neighbors against tyranny, just as the colonists, many of whom where born in England, Holland and Scotland did along side their neighbors born here in the US in 1776!
January 17th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
THE ONLY PLACE YOU WILL B LEAVING IS THE BICKINI BOTTOM MY FREIND
January 17th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
FLYS AROUND SHIT THINK MORE LIK SHIT AROUND FLYS
January 17th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Flood the market with forged bank notes… Fuck them up the arse with their own stick.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
People wake up……………it’s the 11th hour and our enemies (the elitists) are advertising what they are up to and we’re wondering if they’re going to ask us to the prom. They are not only asking us to dance but to walk into their own selective slaughterhouse too. America……it’s your wake-up call……….go to work!
January 17th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
The solution to hyper inflation….. take the mark and receive your rations!
Instead of banging on about how good or bad English are I think you should be more worried about how you are going to provide for yourselves.
Reading these posts make me feel ashamed to be HUMAN never mind British.
However which way you want to wrap it up, killing innocent victims for whatever cause is morally wrong and anyone who supports killing innocent victims is morally wrong also.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
To post rebel cause
First, I’ve been to Ireland numerous times and have family there. I’m not some American Irish walking around wearing shamrocks all of the time and getting drunk on St. Patty’s day. I don’t pretend to be Mr. Irish. The people that do are the fakes. My trips to Ireland have taught me one very important lesson: I’m American, not Irish. However, I do beleive that any person with even a drop of irish blood in their bodies has a sacred duty to see the island united under irish leadership free of any British influence. I don’t have the right to support them with deeds, but I do have the obligation to support them in spirit and with words. We are talking about one of the longest running battles for independence. The cause is just for they have sacrificed much for freedom. More than any american i know. They did it mostly on their own but with some Irish/American help. If they had never resorted to violence, the British would still control the whole of the island not just the six counties in the North. If you are as Irish as you say then you know that to be the gods honest truth. The Irish had a culture completely different from the British Isles, including language. They have a right to fulfill the historic mission. They have the right to their own destiny free of any british meddling. Good discussion here! Lets keep it going!
YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT ME NEEDING TO INCREASE MY KNOWLEDGE OF BRITISH HISTORY. HOWEVER THE SEPERATE GROUPS THAT MAKE UP GREAT BRITAIN WELSH, SCOTS, ETC DON’T SEEM TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN ENDING THE EMPIRE. AT LEAST NOT IN THE LAST 3 CENTURIES. I’M SURE YOU WILL DISAGREE WITH THAT COMMENT. PLEASE DO. I’M OPEN TO LEARNING.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
TO POST CHIGS
I see you agree about the British newspapers. First time I saw it I was having some coffee in Dublin. Bikini contest next to civilian casualties. Totally fucked up! But I suppose if you know the media is all bullshit anyway it is nice to walk away having seen a nice set of tits.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
The Irish culture is I believe part of the Gaelic culture that also can be traced to both Scotland and Wales. It has changed over the centuries but the roots are the same. It would be a great day to see Ireland as one nation but the scar runs too deep of what happened to Northern Ireland in 1916, the implications for today’s British supporters in N.Ireland just to leave their homes is not an acceptable outcome. That was why peace between the two factions was the only route. Heck, the Christmas just gone shows that the Southern Irish have no real problems when it came to deciding to carry out their Christmas shopping in Northern Ireland when the pound/euro exchange rate was favourable. Whilst I’m sure the N.Irish were glad of the trade. This is good news for both sides. If it continues like this-great!
It would seem the British Government has a penchant for giving away other peoples land without realising the scale of trouble it could/would cause. See Israel after WWII; the similarities are striking!
The problems in N.Ireland of Catholic vs Protestant, English vs Irish have been neutralised by the peace agreements but when flare-ups do begin it’s blamed on the reasons above. Speaking to former classmates who lived in and around Belfast, the troubles are now more likely to be organised crime related e.g. drugs and guns but veneered with sectarianism as some form of justification for their illicit action.
British history should be read by the Americans, not as indoctrination of our ideals but as a lesson to a powerful country of the pitfalls and hurdles that it may have to deal with and maybe avoid the mistakes that may have parallels with those made by the British. We might not be as big as we once were but we have the experience that may come in useful when our friends may need a little “guidance”.
Brian Watson Reply:
March 17th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
My friend it would be good to remember that there was a Civil War in Ireland but not between the British/Irish but Irish fighting Irish. Why would it be a great day to see Ireland as one Nation, great for who? Wake up smell the coffee if there was reunification thats when the troubles really would start. On a realistic note, The Free State/Eire is bankrupt like Iceland, who in their right mind wants anything to do with a lost cause!! Eire took all the
they could from the EEC, fair play to them but now the funds have stopped they will have to stand on their own two feet. They were so lucky not to have suffered the murdering campaign from the Provisional IRA, the people from Northern Ireland had to endure and pay the price of a weak ecconomy, think about it who would have wanted to invest in Northern Ireland with such a killing/bombing campaign during the 70’s 80’s and 90’s. The so called ex Prime Minister of Ireland Charles Haughey was a key player in funding and arming the Provisional IRA, there are two sides to every story, sadly past Irish Goernments have blood stains o their hands. Some peace deal with murderers in Government in Stormont, Adams and Maguiness should be have been tried for War Crimes!!
January 18th, 2009 at 2:38 am
At some point the scumbags are going to take one to many steps in the wrong direction.
January 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Labrat,
Actually up here in Scotland the SNP have been campaigning for independenence for quite a few years now, it’s not happened but we do now have our own parliment, not too sure what good it really does us but the politicians seem quite happy about it! We do have our own legal system so I guess I can see the point in that respect, but the campaign is split down the middle in terms of support for independence.
Anyhow I think now that if we got it it would be an irrelevent token gesture because the reality is that all of Europe is run out of Brussels first and foremost and their power is only going to grow….
Aye the media seems to be split into 2 catagories over here soft and fluffy (with lots of tits) where “celebrities” are the main focus which are for the masses, and serious and deadpan for the business folks. If you really want to find out whats going on you have to rake about the internet for foriegn reports aswell to get a balanced view.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Labrat
I think you should learn a bit more about N. Ireland, I’m from Belfast and find it offensive some American with a drop of Irish blood commenting on shit he knows nothing about. Firstly it is the majority of Northern Ireland wish to remain British. Secondly, Northern Ireland has as much Ulster Scots heritage than Irish Heritage which is also Celtic.
I now look at the bigger picture on the world theatre but the old prejudice boils when some Irish american thinks they know what happens here, especially the funding comment.
Brian Watson Reply:
March 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Darren nice to see sensible comments!
These provo loving Irish Americans have funded the Provisional IRA for years, the so called reunification idea disppears when you think that the ex Prime Minister Mr Charles Haughey funded the terrorist organisation at its inception. Folk in Northern Ireland will remember the Neil Blaney affair!!…… To think the price of peace is to have terrorists in Government….. how sick!!
Labrat is a sad individual living in a fantasy world of Leprechauns, maybe he should realise that
Adams and Maguinness should be tried for War Crimes!!
January 20th, 2009 at 7:57 am
so whats the big deal, the US gobberment stopped reporting M3 data about 2 years ago.
guess i’ll have to buying more gold.
January 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 am
Every country has it’s wankers, worse every country has it’s bankers. Don’t fight the people, fight the establishment. Us Brits are enslaved and I know it. It’s hard to live amongst the blind. Don’t judge a people by looking at the ones who sleep. Peace.
January 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
As long as you little guys continue to argue amongst yourselves, regardless of your origin and keep calling each other every name under the sun, you are continuing to play right up the big guys sleeves. Carry on feeding them.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THESE NWO COUNTRYS CAN DO ANYTHING, AND GET AWAY WITH IT. IF YOU OR I DID THIS, WE’D GET 15 YEARS FOR FORGERY! “SOMETHING STINKS, AND NOT JUST IN DENMARK”, TO MISQUOTE MR SHAKESPEARE! WHAT A CHEEK THESE BASTARDS HAVE GOT. THEY’VE ALWAYS DONE IT, BUT NEVER SO BRAZENLY. THEY REALLY MUST FEEL VERY CONFIDENT. WHILE WE’RE AT IT, RAISE YOUR VOICES AGAINST THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA. DEATH TO THE ZIONISTS—VICTORY TO HAMAS AND THE PALISTAINS!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
but the tv tells us they are doing whats best for the economy!!!
the only way we will take the power back is if we take the TV back…
maybe we shud be pushing for laws that dont allow just a few corporations to own ALL the media and entertainment…mite be a good place to start chipping away at their fortress of disinformation.