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Cow tax proposal on ‘methane emissions’ would threaten agriculture and push carbon tax
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Ken Hamilton
Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation
November 19, 2008
“With the economy in bad shape and the possibility of a deep recession looming, the Environmental Protection Agency is proposing to levy new taxes—on cows and pigs,” American Farm Bureau Federation Director of Regulatory Relations Rick Krause told Wyoming Farm Bureau members at their annual meeting. Krause spoke in Sheridan on Nov. 7.
“This is no laughing matter,” Krause said. “The cow tax and the pig tax are parts of a larger scheme by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.”
“Under the proposal, if a state charged the “presumptive minimum rate” from the EPA, the cow tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and a little more than $20 per pig,” Krause explained.
Krause explained that the U.S. Department of Agriculture says that a producer with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would emit more than 100 tons of carbon and be subject to the permitting requirements. “These thresholds would impact 99 percent of dairy producers, over 90 percent of beef producers and 95 percent of hog producers in the United States,” Krause stated.
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According to Krause, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in preparation to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act (CAA). “The regulation of automobile emissions automatically initiates other provisions of the CAA,” Krause explained. “One of those provisions requires permits from anyone who emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year and there are millions of sources that emit more than 100 tons of carbon.”
The Title V permits, that are essentially a cow and pig tax, are supposed to contain provisions designed to reduce or eliminate the emissions of the regulated pollutant. “Cows and pigs methane emissions come from natural and biological processes,” Krause stated.
“The economic costs to producers from the cow and pig tax would be great and could cause the cost of beef, pork and dairy prices to rise,” Krause continued. “The cow and pig tax would impose severe penalties on livestock producers in the United States without effectively reducing greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.”
The comment deadline for the cow and pig tax is Nov. 28. Visit www.wyfb.org to find the link for information.
In other national issues, Krause addressed endangered species issues, including the wolf.
“I remember back in 1993 we were talking about how they will continue to change the numbers of wolves required,” Krause said. “Unfortunately, our assumption was accurate and even though there are five times more packs than needed for recovery, it has come down to a federal judge in Montana.”
“They are arguing there is no genetic exchange,” He said. “Well, the whole reason in the first place they were introduced is because they could not get here on their own. How are you going to have genetic interchange?”
“So what are we going to expect from the Endangered Species Act in the next four years?” Krause asked. “While only time will tell, we can expect no amendments to the ESA as those who are opposed to common sense management will work to keep it as is.”
The Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation is the state’s largest general agriculture organization. Members work together from the grassroots to develop agricultural policy, programs and services to enhance the rural lifestyle of Wyoming.
Contact: Ken Hamilton, Executive Vice President, 307-721-7712, khamilton@wyfb.org
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November 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
This is totally ludicrous. The whole purpose of a green tax is supposed to be to encourage greener alternatives or reduction in use of “dirty” fuels. You cannot eliminate or reduce the amount of waste a cow or pig produces. Pretty soon, they’ll tax each individual for each shit they take…hold your poop in people cause it’ll cost you!!
why don’t they tax wild animals for their poop?? Tax the wolves and deer and moose and buffalo and raccoons…they’re culprits too!!…It’s all about who can afford it and who will starve to death…it’s about population control…another method of killing off the “expendable” ones!!..If you’re on welfare and costing the government money, guess what?? You’re dead cause there’s no more food banks and soon, no more meat for you. Hot dogs?? $12 bucks a pack. This is our new world people.
Farmer Girl Reply:
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I totally agree with you!!! Taxing people for their animals takin a crap is very rediculos!!!!! You cant stop an animal from crapping!!! If people like all the meat they eat then they shuold stop complaining about what comes out of the animal!!! I’m a farmer and the first time they try and tax me for my cows and pigs and horses and all that takin a crap then they better belive that they have another thing comin!!! I ain’t payin shit!!
November 19th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
i am a farmer. this makes me even more sick. i don’t have cattle yet but i was thinking about getting some in the near future. all i can say is whoever is trying to pass this bill had better watch their back. i ain’t kidding either.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
I know someone who has a small dairy farm (one of the last left in CT) and this tax would essentially put him out of business. As it is, he works 7 days a week, 14 hours a day and can barely survive. The price of grain alone has left him on the edge.
The implications of this tax are ominous. A tax on animal flatulence! Wake up people, the next logical step is a tax on the very breath we take (or exhale to be more exact)
I fear for our children’s future…
November 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Never mind the cows America, how much methane does the average American emit?
Only kidding, or am I?
November 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Wow. Talk about reaching for straws on a non-issue. Why don’t people see how desparate these lunitics are. #1—-They would tax animals if they could figure out how. Give it time I guess. Some half-wit will come up with something more idiotic than this.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Another scam; these polititicians should tax themselves because they are so full of s**t. Politicians are like diapers – they should be changed often and for the same reason… These crooks won’t be happy until we are walking down the streets, penniless, with pickle barrels around our waists… These parasites need to be tarred and feathered.
Derry Brownfield’s show offers great perspectives on this issue and similar ones…
Keep your powder dry, people…
November 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
The farmers need to go back allowing these animals to graze on natural grasses. It is a fact, the fattening feed blends, do make them produce more methane, and more nitrogen in their feces. In a state like Maryland where the Chesapeake Bay is in fact slowly dying, because of farm run off, it’s a serious issue. Then you have the Save the Bay People going crazy. The more we try to ease our burdens in this society of convenience, the more we screw things up. A farmer who tries to grow a 1,200 pound steer, ready for butcher in six months, is probably cutting corners for the worse.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
What’s the government going to do, stick meters up the rectums of all the cows so they can tax the farmers more acurately? Maybe they might want to stick meters up ours in the future. too.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
The people won’t have it… this is there agenda to cause mass starvation
November 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Here I am looking for the greenhouse emissions in the cow poop. I have to get close to it since I am near-sighted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwL1v-yvQ_E
November 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
WHY IS ALEX JONES CENSORING OUR RESPONSES?
November 19th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
as soon as i get laid off from my current job my new job will be going after people like this. who is with me?
November 19th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
From a recent News Post posted here: If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant” and a post that I wrote..
I said that when you fart it’s a polutant so he might tax you on the amount of farts you fart a day.. Look who the hell is talking the Socilalist/communist organization “SIERRA CLUB”. The bigest “I Dont want you having property” is telling us that carbon dioxide will be classified a dangerous pollutant. Since when?????
Bunch of unquallified bunch of dummies going into the white house….
Now they want to tax animal crap. Next Congress will tax you on the amount of crapping you do perday and per house hold.. So each time you flush the toilet it will ring up $12.50 per flush. There’s a whole lotta of crapping going on and this Congress will be flushed down the toilet.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Agenda 21 rides again! “People are the problem, hurting poor Gaia.” sniff sniff Just another back door tactic if the first 100 eugenics programs don’t work….
Looks like it’s time to campaign to repeal the Clean Air Act. It has nothing to do with clean air but everythng to do with population control. Clearly diabolical…
To # 7: Farmers don’t raise beef cattle, ranchers do. It takes a steer 18 months to be ready for the feed lot (finishing). Here in cowboy land, it takes 10 acres per cow in good weather and 40-50 per cow in a drought. Raising cattle is hard work but it is decent and honest. Not terribly profitable tho, as the 4 packing houses in the US screw both the producer and the consumer.
Saddle up, cowboys. We have work to do. A few truck loads of manure on every EPA office doorstep would be a good start!
November 19th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I am RJ! this is mental retardation, I ‘ve had al I can takes, I can takes NO MORE!
November 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The methane tax is old news in New Zealand. Dairy farmers here in Canterbury get free access to pristine quality, glacial fed, artesian water which they take from the rivers and wells. This water is better than any of that plastic bottled rubbish from Evian.
As well as this, they use huge quantities of electricity, diesel, nitrate and phosphate based fertilisers. The farms spray this pristine quality water day and night on these huge global scale rural comodity factories. The river levels are reduced and they flush out their highly contaminated water back into the creeks and rivers and ground water, a triple pollution whammy.
Most of our lowland rivers are now unsafe to swim in due to faecal contamination.In the lakes, rivers and the sea we see summertime toxic algal blooms. The outputs of global factory farming is a modern day gold rush with incredible profits but huge destructive out-put, methane is but one of them.
I’m not a scientist and i would think that most of the people replying here are not scientists either, so I would hesitate to make a blanket statement. What happened here in NZ was that the powerful farmers/business had there way and there was and still is no methane emission tax.
Why should big business factory farms take our water and not pay to fix ANY of the negative outputs from their highly lucrative businesses that are wrecking our rivers and lakes?
We still have artesian tap water in Christchurch, but with increasing ground water contamination, how much longer? I don’t want to have to buy water in plastic bottles and stop swimming in rivers or the beaches, because it’s polluted.
Wake up you guys, big global corpoates are in the process of privatising everything. I’m not against honest and ethical farmers and I’m not saying tax is the only answer. But we have to stop this greedy free market madness somehow?
I agree that factory farmed animals are bloated and pumped with antibiotics, so real improvements are possible though traditional animal husbandry and more humane treatment of animals.
A river is a river, not a resource.
A cow is a cow, not a resource.
A person is a person, not a human resource.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
This is the real reason for a NAIS or a National Animal ID System, They aim to destroy our ability to feed ourselves outside their control,this is insane,but then what isnt when the NWO is running the show,prepare for a rough ride,farmers being shot dead for resisting the taking of their private property and livlihoods and normal folks starving !
November 19th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Let’s refer to this proposed legislation as the “Bull Shit Tax”.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
The danhgerous pollutant is obama and the epa and the maggot infested FDA who wants the demon chips in all our animals etc., they are polluting oOUR country with their waste of breath and their communist idealologies…hell, communists are even this dumb!
I hope you maggots are reading this, you crapping traitors are going to reap what you are sowing, you are sowing evil and oppression and slavery of the mind and free will and common sense, you are murdering MY country and MY constitution and OUR way of life, what do you think the people are going to do to YOU?
November 19th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Next we are going to tax this kind of behavior. Just remember, Big Brother is watching all of yous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
November 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
You are right REB, that’s the reason behind Joel 3:10 they are ruining our food and ability to have crops and our seeds, so…we have no need of farm impliments, so, we are instructed to turn them into weapons!
Our time is here! It is time, there is nothing left to waite for!
November 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
I live in Northwest Montana and will tell you that there are alot of wolves. They kill for the trill and leave the kill to waste at times. Hunting, Farming, and all other outdoor activities are becoming more dangerous. Wolves surrounded two people on their farm in town for 30 minutes about a month ago, after killing a couple cows on said farm a couple weeks before. We taxpayers payed a federal trapper to kill them. So we pay to put them back, and then we pay again to get rid of them. Game has been severely affected by the wolves, Elk are becoming scarce after years of gains, deer numbers are down, mountain lions are coming down into town to kill because of the competition. There was a reason we eradicated wolves. Sure restore some to the parks, but let them learn that if they leave the park they are game by allowing people to hunt and defend themselves. I used to live in So Cal. I used to believe in “roadless areas”, that timber companies, and people that live and work out here are “bad” and must be regulated… That all the anumals and all the forest must be left alone and preserved. Then I lived here a while and learned that it is wrong for me to govern the people here from my armchair in cali as I have no idea how the world up here really works. People here love and want to protect the land more than anyone back in Cali ever did. But they use the land and they steward the land. We are the only creature on the planet that can do it, we need to do it, so we should. Protect some, let the people manage the rest. Visit a place were the forest is not managed, and then visit one that is. The managed forest is usually healthier, less prone to fires and packed with game. Peace out.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Yes Alex Jones is sitting there, censoring ever post….
November 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Well with that jumpy speed soon we all be taxed by some “stinky ass tax”))))))))))
Try to preserve proper diet guys)))))
November 19th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I believe a “Foul Hot Air Odor Emissions Tax be placed on every fying word emitted by a Congressman and Senator. I am sure it wo”uld rake in more than enough funds to cover the trillions in bailouts – far more that CO-2, methane and carbon taxes.
November 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
#22, I live in SW Montana,there are alot of wolves here too.
We say, S. S. S. Shoot em, Shovel dirt on em, Shut up !
November 19th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
These governmental organizations run by buffoons only contribute to the current state of America.
Do you think a “million armed man” march on Washington would have any effect?
November 19th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
OMFG wat is wrong with the puppies, they really are pushing it.
they think its the cows, hahaha WTF,
how many cows compared to how many CARS, how many farts does 1 cow need to do, to add up too 1 cars exust in 5 minutes of engine run?????
the poor cows, 1st the Aliens are eating them and now you blame them, poor cow
hahahahaha
i suppose soon its Humans paying a tax, like total recall movie on mars to pay for Air, but here its in revers, but oh such the same thing.
poor cows
hahaha, ok im going to have more BBQ’s, so that there is less cows, that way we save the earth, so everybody, eat more cows, Cause the cows are fighting back, with a silent weopon that will slowly destroy the earth, the cows are aliens in descise…hahahahahahaha
silent but deadly co ops cow operations, hahahaha to destroy mankind, hahahaha
oh shit cant breath, hahahaha
HW Spartan
November 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
This tax or fee or whatever it is constitutes a direct tax on someones right to make there own way. I sure hope they inact it in that manner. Otherwise it will be an excise tax based on some kind of federal privledge making it unenforceable due to the feds not having jurisdiction UNLESS there cows and pigs are grazing on federal land (BLM, national forests, etc).
November 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
#14—Its good to see someone knows about sustainable development. Kudos to ya.
November 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
sorry i forgot to stess that, who the hell thinks that a TAX will save the physical problem of the earth enviroment(wether you belive it warming or freezing) what can a TAX do, will the TAX magically heal the earth
WTF , man this has become a sespool of brainwashing, to the point of continuation of false acts, behold, hahahaha
behold freinds.
HW Spartan
November 19th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
me fartet , dont tax me
November 19th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I maid a joke on this site about this 4 months ago. I cant believe it may happen lol but not a laughing matter. Be on the look out for a blinking eye tax that is all that’s left to tax. Someone please light a match when these bastards have their heads near the cows ass doing their smog test! lol WILL THEY TAX NATURAL REFLEXES NEXT?
November 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
this is one of the MOST wicked tax laws i have every heard of
THE GOVERMENT WANTS TO TAX U TO DEATH
TO HELL WITH THE GOVERMENT WE MUST OVER THROW THIS WICKD GOVERMENT AND RETRUN THE LAND BACK to the foundting Fathers will
November 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE NUTS THINKING?????? WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CHARGE THESE DUMB ASS LEADERS WITH A BULSHIT TAX,SO THAT EVERY TIME THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTHS TO SPEW OUT MORE BULSHIT…THEY GET TAXED…..A BULSHIT TAX…..
November 19th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Don’t ever eat donkey. It tastes like ass.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
It is absoloutely ridiculous, on the one hand they are taxing emmissions of livestock because there are too many, and on the other, trying to propegate species which are going extinct. Which is it guys? Are there too many animals emmiting carbon or not enough? The whole thing is so sad on so many levels.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
36 TIP OF THE DAY Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Don’t ever eat donkey. It tastes like ass.
END QUOTE
hahaha how do you know how ass taste like
hahaha oj
HW Spartan
PS; also TAXing the polution style companies is BS, in the end the big corprate type freemason illuminati wouldnt be paying it, like they dont pay any tax now… apart from the other facts wich makes them seem like very stupid snakes
haha bloody hell mate :0
November 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Suffer the little Children.
If your able to somehow forgive those that profess their love for you…then hate will not fester and grow in your young heart…for hate is the most destructive and crippling human emotion!
Try saying the following before going to sleep each night:
I forgive my parents…for failing to stand up on my behalf and fight for my future…my freedom!
I forgive my grandparents…who i now realize are just a couple of lazy ignorant individuals!
I forgive my uncles and aunties…for being self satisfied, self serving, shallow fakes!
I forgive my big brothers and sisters…i truly believed they would always look after me!
I will not hate, i will not hate, i will not hate!
I will “somehow” forgive!
.
I only hope…that within your heart lies the desire…to one day rise up against tyranny…and fight they that wish to take away your freedom…they who desire to enslave you!
Stay strong little one!!!
November 19th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
there are going to be more absurd laws passed like this in the next few years. why? because WE THE PEOPLE have to start paying off the billions of dollars we have given away to the bankers, corporate pigs, and the military industrial complex.
message to politicians: you won’t believe your eyes when you see a machine like me unleashing myself on you and your families.
DEATH TO THE NWO
November 19th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
They have already tried to pass this gas in New Zealand back in 2003
http://www.commondreams.org/he.....620-06.htm
November 20th, 2008 at 12:00 am
The country has gone insane. I’ve never heard such ridiculous ideas. Where do we write to most effectively express our disapproval? Would that be the EPA? our senators and representative?
(Yes, I realize the sheer evil that is invading our government. However, we need to use the tools we
have available and stand up to these destructive schemes being perpetrated on the populace.)
November 20th, 2008 at 12:21 am
The fucking idiots in Washington don’t understand the concept of quit wasting the tax dollars they are receiving on their BULLSHIT. Instead they want to keep trying to squeeze blood out of the people’s hide. On top of that they plunder the social services designed for the working people, make every attempt to rob the people of their retirements they have worked and saved for their entire lives and then threaten to encamp or enslave you with the military if you try to do something about it.
These are the things that caused the people to rise up and create America in the first place. I keep wondering how much longer the Americans are going to bend over for the ole buggering.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:22 am
What about deer and feral/wild pigs as well. The GVt is a “trustee” of all wild game. Will they pay for monitoring those animals. I am all for such a program. I think the US GVt should attach a GVt emplyee to a specially adapted “ass cover” with a hose fitted to each animals ass and a hose that leads up to a GVT employee wearing a special gas mask that is there to smell and doculment eat time an animal farts and document such a fart in a record book.
They should devote an entire bureaucracy to monitor “animal gas”… and name such a entity “the Deaprtment of US Animal Farts’ and make other countries follow the example of the US…
Sarcastic? Think about the obastacle …. I do beleive in aliens from other places. People this stupid could not be from earth.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Please….don’t take me to jail….I swear it was only one small bowl of black eyed peas…I’ll put a cork in my rectum…NOOOOOOOOOOO
November 20th, 2008 at 2:45 am
This is so fucking stupid.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:25 am
#8, you said it best! They do want to stick a meter in us… and charge us for our life. Pay to live(free?!?) Don’t pay and be a slave???
November 20th, 2008 at 8:12 am
No more baked beans for my husband! I’ll get charged double for him!
November 20th, 2008 at 8:14 am
You will have to pay for your DOG, and for the POOP he makes in the park.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Two can play this game. Embargo and blockad all food shipments going into Washington DC.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
We here in Montana are sick of the wolves. There are areas that have no elk left and very few deer because of the packs of wolves and also mountain lions. Lions will kill just to kill, to practice killing. It appears that they dropped the quota for hunting big cats this year. We had 5 big cats roaming our town this year. One women was attacked on her front porch. 3 were shot finally. A Lot of the folks here in the mountains need elk and deer for food as we do not have a lot of money. I cannot tell you how many people I have talked to that are angry about the wolves killing all the game. Many have said they will shoot wolves and big cats on sight . The grizzly is also protected here as well. Why I don’t know. There are tons of them and 11 people have been killed by them this year. The bears have no fear of man. I’m sure they will be added to the shoot on sight list by the people as well soon. Wonder how much gas the bears give off. Is it more when they eat people? Ever been 10 feet from an angry grizz, it aint fun.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:18 am
INSANITY!
They really have done gone lost their minds!!!!!
Are we going to have a Piss Tax, Shit Tax, and God Knows Whatever Other Bodily Emission Tax too?
It’s like it’s not free to BREATHE anymore. They are taxing people and animals for BREATHING!!! WHO COULD POSSIBLY SUPPORT SUCH NONSENSE?
The earth has lived through cycle upon cycle of breathing living beings for thousands of years, and suddenly it can’t handle it? Please. How stupid do they think we are??? And to think of all the asshole Americans who will fall for this bullshit and just put up with it! REVOLT!!!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Well, I guess this means we might have to start eating dogs and cats. Bob Barker always said keep the animal population down, and that would be just another way.
Of course, it would never get that far, but then the term ’soylent green’ comes to mind…
November 20th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Will we have to pay taxes for farting ? it’s also a “methane emission” …
November 20th, 2008 at 10:45 am
‘Climate Change’ lol – these agencies make it up as they go along! the only climate thats changing on this planet is the freedom climate. its getting smaller and smaller by the day.
how on earth can these M.F’kers charge farmers on CO2 emmisions – or anyone for that matter – based on THEORY that CO2 contributes to the rising earth temperature?
just another sick scam (and this will be the big one this centuary) that everyone will be bullied into feeling guilty about how much they personally contribute or emmit a ‘Carbon footprint’ – then, people wont fight being taxed to death because they are believing in ’saving the planet’ HA HA!
also, as most people here will agree i think, that ‘Climate change / carbon emissions / greenhouse effect will be the way of creaming serious amounts of cash out of every single economy in the world.
just a thought………when the Dinosaurs were knocking around for around 300 million years, with that amount of gas being produced, surely the world would have suffocated many years back?
How come that climate change, a relativley new ideal, is already side by side with Taxation??
just look at how its being done. making you feel guilty about living in a society where you depend on CO2 emmiting vehicles and energy – THAY THEY HAVE PUT IN PLACE –
and the general public just swallow it man
November 20th, 2008 at 11:05 am
50 Francisco Says:
November 20th, 2008 at 8:14 am
You will have to pay for your DOG, and for the POOP he makes in the park.
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A carbon tax on domestic animals and pets. Excellent idea! We’ll have to bring that up when we propose the new carcus disposal fee that we’ll add to the human death tax. Too many bodies polluting the soil nowadays, you know! And cremation leads to carbon emissions. Tsk-tsk.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Exactly who is caused $20 worth of damage by a farting pig?
November 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am
New Age
(New Age Movement and New Age Spirituality) is a social collective phenomenon and a spiritual nature movement that seeks universal truth through the oneness of humanity. It combines aspects of spirituality, cosmology, esotericism, complementary and alternative medicine, various religious practices, and environmentalism. It is characterized by an eclectic and individual approach.Old Pagan religion is the New World Order revived….
Check out this video…..
http://posmedprod.webs.com/newagereligion.htm
November 20th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Well the positve prespective we can gain from this, is that we now have better chances of wiping out the middle class. The middle class is incompetent enough to accept these taxes. If all goes well, it can help the new world order. A world where religion is not something that you always have to worry about, or some MAN flying a boeing plane into a tower becase there faith tells them to do so, I fu****g tired of this jesus, muhomed, buhda, jewish,catholic,hidusim bull crap that just seems to kill people
November 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
If that isn’t taxing life, I don’t know what is.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Picking more money out of our wallets so these government crats can institute new jobs for themselves blaming cow farts? WTF?
November 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
HOW ABOUT A TAX ON ALL THE SHIT COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON?
November 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
The ultimate goal is to wipe out food production in the United States and get the independent
farmers and rachers off the land. Twenty years ago nobody would believe that eventually everything would be manufactured in China. The trend that is developing now, will leave us nothing to eat but poison Chinese and Mexican food. We get to choose between melamine and lead poisoning (China) or salmonella and hepatatis (Mexico).
November 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
#15 Red Dawn now has become Popeye…
This is truly the end…
November 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Alex Jones always highlights the problems – Fed, NWO, Bilderbergers, police state etc. He never gives equal time to finding solutions. Something which Ron Paul does – he talks about monetary policy, political activism, economic issues – matters that can make a difference, that can actually bring down the NWO.
Why does AJ do it? Ignorance? Business as usual? I think it is deliberate deception. Like ‘deer in headlights’. Keep people overwhelmed and confused by problems, so they can not clearly think about actual practical solutions.
AJ looks like a black op. He does give some useful information, but it is always mixed with enough disinfo to keep people away from real useful solutions.
When he says….’Infowars…because there is a war on for your mind’, I hope the intelligent observer deciphers the clever doublespeak the line is.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I want PETA supporter gas tax.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
To owenmec #52 -
The GVt initiates these “restore the animal ” plans.. knowing full well thsoe directly involved will operate with no oversight. Once the plan sucedes like they want it quickly gets out of hand. They have no end goal or definition of the potential results in place. They never plan on the natural course of events. Too many GVT jobs are at stake and once a program ends.. the jobs go away.. or are relocated. The bureaucrats find it much more easy to perpetuate the program than to simply accept nature has been restored and now has to be dealt with accordingly.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:07 am
http://grain.org/front/
Seized: The 2008 land grab for food and financial security
October 2008
A new report from GRAIN
Today’s food and financial crises have, in tandem, triggered a new global land grab. On the one hand, “food insecure” governments that rely on imports to feed their people are snatching up vast areas of farmland abroad for their own offshore food production. On the other hand, food corporations and private investors, hungry for profits in the midst of the deepening financial crisis, see investment in foreign farmland as an important new source of revenue. As a result, fertile agricultural land is becoming increasingly privatised and concentrated. If left unchecked, this global land grab could spell the end of small-scale farming, and rural livelihoods, in numerous places around the world.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:04 am
They’re really talling ou that it’s a scheme lol, but whose gears turn? Anyway, the EPA along with anyone who is a mental spectacle to buy this load of crap should all go to an insane assylumn, (they would under my watch).
November 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Now, a “cow and pig tax”…! You all know,now, that these critters did read “Animal Farm”…”two legs good, four legs better”, and all that stuff…and remember how that story ended!
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 am
This has been tried in New Zealand many years ago.But it never came into effect,people protesting and common sense won over in the end.It was call the fart tax.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
http://www.google.com/search?h.....=f&oq=
The methane problem is basically solved by introduction of probiotics into the feed. The animals become more healthy, while quality of life increases.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
A TAX ON COW POOP SMELLS.
WHAT A CROCK OF SCHITT.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
A tax that high would ensure that no one would be raising cattle or hogs. Thus, all meat would have to be imported.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
This makes me think of the Leningrad situation during WWII. When people are pushed they will do anything to survive. Anything. Somebody cooking dead pig in trying times in the future, just may not be a far-fetched idea in the future, for the simple minded go along crowd, I’m talking about Cannibalism here.
These Globalist Sick Bastards (GSB’s) really do like destruction and misery to the extreme and they are very real threat to all life on this world and they should be killed.
There is no other way.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
These greasy reptilian fucks need to be kicked right in thier internal reproductive organs.
I can’t believe they are still trying to push this crap. I saw this Friedman guy, some kinda editor or columnist for the NY Post(?), on Lie N.N. 2 days ago spouting this crap. I still cannot believe the stupidity of some people. They should be ashamed of them selves for propagating such a bold faced lie
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Can you believe this crap? Do the culls in D.C. really believe that farmers are going to pay Fart taxes on their animals. How long will it be before people are fart taxed? Would you have to pay taxes on a can of chile because of the probability of flatulence. Would your toilet at home be metered for how many dumps you take. If the sheeple in this country don’t protest this crap than they deserve to have to pay fart taxes. I hope human fart taxes apply to government officials as well, because they are really over inflated gas bags that are full of SHIT.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 am
Years ago, my now deceased father told me like: “Son. The Australian government would tax breathing if they could.”
1) You must breath. You’ll die in minutes if you don’t.
In Australia, there have been some very alarming proposals lately. The carbon tax is coming very soon, as Rudd is a total shill for the NWO elite, and has made it a priority for his government to introduce the tax ASAP. This is essentially a tax on breathing (And farting)! I fully expect that since the AU media routinely refer to each AU citizens as having a “carbon footprint”, that a tax will be levied eventually, perhaps even retrospectively, on all AU citizens who breath out. However, I would expect this to be voluntarily paid. The alternative will probably be to wear an uncomfortable filter system on your face to remove carbon from your exaltations 24/7. But don’t worry. The tax will only be very small AT FIRST, so you’ll be very likely to just pay the dam thing, like you pay the “climate change” tax on your quarterly rates bill, even though you are not given any real idea of what, or even when, this tax is going to be used to do something related to “climate change”.
2) Water is SCARCE! You’ll die within days if you don’t drink it.
Proposals to hand over control of gathering and correlating water statistics by local government, to non elected consultative boards is well under way. Australia is experiencing “permanently dry conditions” according to the talking head from one Macquarie bank millionaires created water “Authority” recently on New Radio. Yep, and when these guys control the statistics, we’ll be told water is so scarce we have to pay huge prices when we turn on the tap in the future. And scarcity of water here in Oz taps into number three:
3) Food is EXPENSIVE! But you’ll be dead within weeks if you don’t eat.
Australians food costs soared more than any other OECD country in the last decade. An overall increase of over 40%, much of that in the last few years alone. The biggest reason, so we are told, is because of drought conditions (sorry, the permeant dry conditions) and the cost of irrigation having increased enormously.
But this is all good news for the NWO. While ever you breath, you’ll be alive to eat and drink AND fart! Hey, maybe this form of taxation can replace the loss of equity bubbles? Time will tell.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 am
Ken (81): Yeah, I know, years ago I was thinking to myself that if corporations could sell us poison for food, they would, and here they are doing it, especially in China. All in all it’s a good thing I say because those who deny the truth and call you an indiot or crazy for bringing it up to them, cease denying once the truth becomes so real it affects them. When parents will hold the corpses of their loved ones in their hands due to the poisoning we receive, then will people finally yield and accept the truth. You know, I used to get very angry and frustrated over people denying the truth, I’m still puzzled over this attitude, it will always be for me the most fascinating spectacle, but I learned to just let it be. Let those who are normal listen to you and take action, and let the other ones die, it’s their will afterall, they choose to walk away from the truth, let it be, they are free to choose as they please.
Concerning the article, how about we tax the neocons and their friends for all the crap that comes out of their mouth. How’s that?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 am
the cows and pigs are penned in mutant fat factories anyway, if the feces were put through a closed sewage treatment system to digest and collect the methane for an engine to run a generator, the methane gas is no longer a taxable “problem” but an energy solution. same for human sewage, which wouldnt be too tough to retrofit, the gas burns off about completely and the exhaust heat can be used to keep the temp of the digesting tank UP for better methane production. beats the piss out of making our food even more expensive doesnt it?
November 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
…fucking enviromentalist PETA shrub fucking assholes, i hope they get devoured by polar bears….
November 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I think see things has a good idea I’ve toured water treatment plants, they do utilize some of the methane by burning it off. I’m not sure how the infrastructure would be set up though, can you get cattle to use a toilet?
Personally I boycott the cattle industry to a large extent. Small family farms are ok but they way the industry acts as a whole is terrible and needs to be downsized. Imagine how much food goes to feed a cow and then consider that something of a little higher quality could be grown and eaten by us instead!
I don’t agree with carbon taxation because I dont htink it will do anything except set up a new economic bubble situation. Also taxes are likely to stifle smaller operations and consolidate wealth because the ones that can afford to pay are huge businesses. Please do comment on this tax on their website and to our legislators…at the very least.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
so lets see… a cow tax and pig tax, how about taxing political leaders and in turn give it back to voters. call it the policy tax.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
have you all forgotten earth science. PLANTS NEED CO2 TO SURVIVE. And what do plants do? Create oxygen!!! WOW maybe co2 isnt that bad after all. This is all an incovinetnt SCAM to further control the feeble short term overdriven minds of all of us.
November 25th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
A bit off subject here, but I feel as though I MUST inform others on “How To Make Your Own Water” out of thin air. Pull out your de-humidifier, or buy one–costs less than $150.00– and buy a Brita water filter jug. Set up your de-humidifier outdoors and collect the water from the tray. Pour the water through the Brita filter and enjoy. There is an advertisement on this site that sells an eco friendly way of producing water with their machine, but its too expensive…$1500.00. I believe one tenth the cost is a better alternative. If you’re not sure about the safety of the drinking water from the de-humidifier, boil the water first, then pour through the Brita water filter.
Steve McNeil Reply:
February 17th, 2009 at 5:10 am
That’s an awesome idea.
How much power does the de-humidifier pull? In a crisis power might be an issue so perhaps you’d have to add in an inverter and some sorta solar collector or even pedal generator, but well under $1500 and I don’t know anything about eco friendly water machine does it have any provision for power loss?
November 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Some people don’t worry about their food supply. They think they can go to the nearest Kroger (local food store) and get anything they need. Screw the farmers, they don’t need them!
November 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Well let’s see here: as long as there’s a “tax” on cows and pigs, maybe the four-footeds can hire themselves a good lobbying firm so that they can make contributions to, and be entitled to receive funds from, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid – as much as any other working being…”two legs good, FOUR LEGS BETTER”…
November 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
green is red.
December 6th, 2008 at 7:32 am
there should be a politician tax for all the Bs and hot air they expell into the enviroment
December 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Shane Cauley Cheyenne Wyoming
December 28th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I completely agree with Adam, the time and place Shane Cauley Cheyenne Wyoming
January 13th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I am trying to find the point, Givin our current deployment. Cheyenne Wyoming is the right place for the super computer.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Wait till they tax the air you BREATH!