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Dems One or Two Votes Away from Filibuster-proof Public Option
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John Byrne Raw Story
October 23, 2009
UPDATE: A Huffington Post report Friday indicates that Democrats believe they are one or two votes shy of having a filibuster-proof majority to pass a public health insurance option.
More here. The names of those who aren’t on board for a filibuster is unknown, but at least one senator’s office — that of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), wouldn’t say how the senator will vote.
Support for including some version of a public option in the Senate’s version of a healthcare overhaul appears to be solider than initially believed.
In a series of comments that have received little attention, conservative Democratic senators — even those who’ve publicly said they oppose a public option — say they are unlikely to join a Republican filibuster to block it. Under Senate rules, Democrats would need to convince 60 members to support the ability to vote on healthcare legislation with the public option (cloture), and then just 51 to pass it.
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) told a reporter earlier this week that she wouldn’t join Republicans in voting against cloture.
“I’m not right now inclined to support any filibuster,” Landrieu said.
“For the Republican Party to kind of step out of the game is very unfortunate,” she added, referring to the Senate Republicans’ intransigence on healthcare reform proposals. “I’m not going to be joining people that don’t want progress.”
Indeed, Landrieu’s sentiment — that joining foes of healthcare reform would be an impediment to progress — may be the catnip that keeps Democrats on board.
Sen. Mark Pryor (R-AR), a moderate Democrat from the South, said Thursday he was open to some form of a government-run health insurance competitor.
“It depends on how it’s structured on whether I can support it,” Pryor remarked. “I just haven’t decided.”
But regardless of how he votes on the final package, he says he won’t join Republicans in filibustering the bill. Tellingly, he also signaled that he didn’t believe any other Democrats would either.
“I don’t think you’ll see me or any other Democrats do that,” Pryor told liberal blogger Mike Stark.
One conservative Democrat refused to tip his hand. Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) occasionally joins Republicans on controversial issues.
“I believe in playing chess, but that’s about three moves ahead of me, and I’m not prepared to make those moves until I see some other moves in between,” Nelson told a reporter this week.
Jake Thompson, Nelson’s Communications Director, told Raw Story that he “would decline to comment” about how Nelson will react to a potential Republican filibuster.
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Arlen Specter (D-PA) has said he’ll support a public option as well. Specter defected from the Republican Party to the Democrats earlier this year, against the backdrop of a tough primary challenge from his right. In an interview Thursday evening with MSNBC’s Ed Schultz (video below), he sounded confident that Democrats had the 60 votes to prevail.
“We have 60 votes without Sen. Snowe, so we can still invoke cloture and move to a vote on the public option,” Specter said. “With 50 votes plus the Vice President and my vote is going to be for the public option, robust public option, we can get it passed, even without Sen. Snowe. I hope we have her, but we may be able to do it without her.”
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) was the only Republican to join ranks with Democrats in approving a version of healthcare legislation that passed through the Senate Finance Committee. That version didn’t include a public option.
That said, Democrats need lose only one member to lose the battle for the public option. A 60-vote majority would also need to include independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), who’s tangled with Democrats on various issues in the past.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) won’t say how many votes he has in his arsenal on a government run plan. In a statement Thursday evening, he said only that he was looking to pass a bill with as many votes as possible.
“We’ll continue to work together to seek broad consensus on the key issues before us and to craft the strongest possible bill that can garner 60 votes,” Reid said. “We will also continue to do our best to represent the views of all members of the Senate who have a genuine desire to see reform succeed. But our mission is clear: the American people want quality, affordable health insurance and failure is not an acceptable option. I am optimistic that we are close to laying a proposal before the full Senate that will do just that.”
In the House, some version of a public option is almost certain to pass. The version will likely be more liberal than that of the Senate’s, as Democrats hold a larger majority in the lower chamber.
President Obama’s position on the public option remains unclear. A Politico report Friday said that Obama prefers a “trigger option,” under which a public insurer would only be created if private insurers fail to meet key pricing standards. The White House, however, says Obama hasn’t taken a position either way.
The following video is from MSNBC’s The Ed Show, broadcast Oct. 22, 2009.
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October 23rd, 2009 at 1:09 pm
If you’re on Medicaid, get-off NOW.
Medicaid users, will be AUTOMATIUCALLY transferred over to new-plan.
WAKE UP Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
FALL OF THE REPUBLIC 2 TRAILER ON YOUTUBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
THE WATCHER Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Slimy old Arlen Specter was a major player in the JFK assassination cover-up.
oK Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 5:09 am
DON’T CLICK IT IT’S ONLY A VERY FAT PERSON!!
THE WATCHER Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
This b/s MUST be stopped.
IrishGal Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
These treasonous S.O.B.s must be put on notice, you vote for this tyrannical legislation and you will be removed from office, one way or the other.
Dodatt Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 3:58 am
this is one of the guys i think we should put in office
/watch?v=iWMrKcFKqzk
must watch please have this guy as a guest PLEASE
Check it out on youtube
THE WATCHER Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
This very wise Constitutional law attorney will be the one who removes Obama – http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
yogi Reply:
October 27th, 2009 at 7:10 am
wow! awsome. i hope he dose it. its a longshot though.
but if we can audit the fed we can get this done too.
then 9/11 can f*vk the rest of the bush admin as well
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Go ahead, commit TREASON, we will just add ALL your names to the list.
The coming trials will make Nuremburg and Tokyo look like traffic court. We are going to GET ALL YOU ELITIST scumbags!
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
People Please read this
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?u.....p?idx=7333
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
The demoncrats will get it too. You better believe they will. Look for christians to get invaded in their homes next from prayer meetings. That is if they are not in jail for quoting bible scriptures. They don’t want the fake Christians. They are after the true Christians. The remnant. They are making war and the drums are beating louder now.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?u.....p?idx=7333
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Don’t any of them have a spine?
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I have taken the time to Flash most of Alex Jones videos on my website so anyone can watch in full-length. I still encourage everyone to purchase the DVD’s as I did to keep the fight going. If you need an alternative site to view just click on this link:
http://www.joemarquis.com/videos.htm
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
no they dont have a spine there all bought off and paid for once they get there dont you know lol
its the damn truth.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
1) US health care system ranked 37th
2) US health care costs ranked 1st
3) Reason for this: The corps rule health care and kill 45,000 people a year
4) This website, a website for inbred right wingers, is against a public option because it is an attack on capitalism…news flash everyone…capitalism failed! And even with reform it will still fail in the long run….just like every other “ism” it is flawed and must go!
5) This website says it strives for truth yet it is nothing more that right wing p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a!
IrishGal Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Move to China, you will like it better.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
stuff it inbredliberalpencileneckarsholesh#tbreathlowlifescumbag kiss my ex-democrat ars
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Hey, inbredpencileneckliberal arshole, tell me why the inbredliberaldemocrats love me so much
that they want me to have their crap sandwich wether I want it or not and won’t just GO AWAY and Leave Me ALONE. Keep your crap and have youself…just GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AJ IS A F-R-A-U-D Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
You are one sick uneducated a$$hole!
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
If they continue to puch this crap onto the american people it will be their demise. I can’t wait till all these assholes have to answer for their treason. Make no mistake, they will.
Arnold Ziffel Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I volunteer to be on the jury. And, after lunch, the firing squad.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Rothschild says… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....rofilepage
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
EXCELLENT! about friggin time! all of the right wing scum bags and their buddies in big pharma and thge health care corps should die a fast death!
..and screw you Alex for manipulating and omitting information about who was really behind the so call grass roots protests.
There should not be ONE bankruptcy because of health care bills. Like the rest of the modern world people in America should remain sick or die because they have no money to pay over the top rates for meds and health care.
IrishGal Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
With Obamacare we will all have no healthcare and be bankrupt you idiot.
slim whitman Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
lol….keep drinking that right wing “love juice” ….clueless!
sandra in nebraska Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I agree with you Slim and I explained my views which quickly got deleted. Maybe this one won’t but I’m not holding my breath.
Ringmun Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 9:11 am
oh, but please do……..
hahaheheho
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Ah, another non-reich wing post deleted. I’m getting the picture of what’s really going on at this site….and it ain’t about freedom.
sudburychange Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Chill guys, you probably just used a filter word. For example the word C-A-N-A-D-A will get your post auto-removed…..It’s Kanukistan now instead.
Ringmun Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Ya, no shit
October 24th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Time to get rid of ALL the treasonist people in congress! Congress has NO constitutional power to d owhat they are doing. Remember all it takes is the states passing 10th amendment resolutions to give the feds a big fat middle finger! Many already have and there are more coming. The majority of the people in the U.S. are sick and tired of this government corruption!
kw Reply:
October 24th, 2009 at 2:18 am
In a word, ThisIsIt, you are correct. I suppose California leads the way. Right?
October 24th, 2009 at 4:09 am
If I were a REPUGH I wouldn’t recommend filibustering this. The DEMOs are starting to say consider this just medicare for everyone. I get about $400 a month taken out for medicare and can’t collect it till I’ve contributed for 50 years at the age of 65. How much would it take to give government medicare for everyone NOW? $3000 a month? Just shows how unavordable this is if the gov runs it. Let them own it. It will make VA care look like the Mayo clinic!
October 24th, 2009 at 10:35 am
ITS JUST OLD FASHIONED BS.
October 24th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Alex, have you ever seen the movie “Brewster’s Millions?” This was starring Richard Pryor who inherited millions of dollars and ran a “none of the above” campaign so that neither of the other running mates could win the election.
I thought that you should run a none of the above campaign (using your own resources and media) to get Americans to not vote according to left vs. right but for freedom.
Just a thought. And if you’ve never seen Brewster’s Millions, shame on you! LOL You have to see this movie.
God bless and thank you for all you are doing.
October 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Giuliani’s chauffeur and bodyguard. I think this guy probably knows a lot about Giuliani’s corruption, as well. Almost the head of Homeland Security. He’s in deep
October 24th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“Obama declares swine flu a national emergency”( Washington, Sat Oct 24, 12:26 PM ):
http://www.optimum.net/News/AP.....eId=628981
October 25th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Are you giving out DVDs this Halloween? http://nwotalk.com/showthread.php?t=11
October 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Earth and it’s inhabitants need more, not less, CO2.
More CO2 means:
* More Plant Growth
* Plants need less water
* More food per acre
* More robust habitats and ecosystems
CO2 is Earth’s greatest airborne fertilizer. Without it – No Life On Earth!
www(dot)co2isgreen.org
http://www.plantsneedco2.org
scienceandpublicpolicy.org
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[Al Whore the dickhead and Co] The criminal Banking cartel EXPOSED
youtube.com/watch?v=JrRusZOx3l4
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“Debunking David De Rothschild And The Global Warming Hoax”
youtube.com/watch?v=zN7ioCiSmtc
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Global warming or global governance?
- -Interviews of climate scientists and biologists from numerous sources who explain, step by step, why Al Gore and the global warming alarmists are incorrect. In some cases, blatantly so. It also provides evidence that the global warming agenda is being funded with tens of billions of dollars as a mechanism to create global governance. Hear from congressmen, experts and even well-known news broadcasters how global governance puts global institutions that are not accountable to the American people in control of every aspect of our economy. The U.S. government is very close to making this a reality.- -
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3069943905833454241
or
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4860344067427439443
www(dot)globalwarmingglobalgovernance.com
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Lord Christopher Monckton, former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher says UN-climate Treaty when ratified will create A WORLD GOVERNMENT
(Full presentation of Lord Christopher Monckton, which was sponsored by Minnesota Free Market Institute mnfreemarketinstitute.org at the Bethel University in St. Paul, 14 oktober 2009)
youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0
Short part of the presentation:
youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40
A short transcription is found here:
infowars.com/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-claims-british-lord
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Take a cold bath in reality by reading “A Cooling Trend Toward Global Warming.” thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/942
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[For US] Take action: Contact your Senators and tell them to oppose Cap-and-Trade!
www(dot)campaignforliberty.com/campaigns/hr2454action.php
www(dot)campaignforliberty.com/campaigns/hr2454petition.php
www(dot)ourcountrydeservesbetter.com/campaigns/stopcapandtrade.html
Sign:
www(dot)ipetitions.com/petition/stopcaptradetax
JJ Reply:
October 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
More for you:
Let them know that you don’t want a world government, a tax based on junk science, etc !
Current status: 82,346 Letters and Emails Sent So Far!!
(an email will be automatically sent to President Obama, your US Senators and your US Representative).
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/?page_id=560
or
www(dot)nocapandtrade.com/petition
or
www(dot)rallycongress.com/minnesota-majority/2485/oppose-cap-trade-legislation
BOYCOTT THESE COMPANIES
www(dot)nocapandtrade.com/boycott
October 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Could citizens be sent to FEMA camps today? How do we organize resistance to Obama fraudulent regime sending citizens to FEMA camps?
October 25, 2009
Comment:
- -All American’s have individual Rights…We can do this without forming Groups.
Go to ur local FBI office and demand an investigation of Treason against Judge Clay D. Land…Refer to 1821 Supreme Court Judge Marshal’s ruling, that all cases must be heard on their merits. To do otherwise would be Treason of the Highest Order.
Orly Taitz’s case in No Way resembles a Frivolous Suit.in accordance with the judgment and approval of “We the People”
Any deliberate misinterpretation of the Constitution is Treason.- -
JJ Reply:
October 25th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5294
October 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
############### SPREAD THIS INFORMATION ###############
Wall Street criminals exposed By Marcy K.:
kaptur.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=289&Itemid=1
youtube.com/watch?v=tMCZ8JeEpUw
or
fednet.net/asx/2008/kaptur092208.asx
Tim Geithner refusus to answser Brad Shermans question:
youtube.com/watch?v=rEpmRv2kAng
or
youtube.com/watch?v=_nWFfJQtoT8
HQ version: youtube.com/watch?v=Gvt1uzLv15o
Rep. Alan Grayson asks the FEDERAL RESERVE Inspector General where the money is gone..:
youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8
HQ version: youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ
**********END THE CRIMINAL RESERVE – ACTION STEPS**********
Bills to be supported: S 604 and HR 1207
ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207
or
http://www.campaignforliberty......d-home.php
or
auditthefed.com
Stop and jail criminal Ben Bernanke:
www(dot)unmaskthefed.com
############### SPREAD THIS INFORMATION ###############
October 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
JJ, you can see your information verified by watching “Fall of the Republic” by Alex Jones for free by googling it.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:11 am
pretty much
October 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I really liked your blog!