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Did U.S., Israel Provocateur S. Ossetia Conflict? Does the Sun Come Up in the Morning?
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
August 9, 2008
Dead civilians in South Ossetia. But you will not hear much about it on CNN or Faux News. Because they are too busy reporting ad nauseam about the extramarital shenanigans of CFR darling John Edwards.
In order to find out what’s really going on in Georgia, you have to read the international press on the internet. Bush, McCain, and Obama may cast blame on Russia, but reading the international press you get a different perspective.
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Russia accuses U.S. of orchestrating conflict
“Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo,” reports Pravda, the Russian newspaper.
Recall the CIA admitting it “helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before Nato’s bombing of Yugoslavia,” according to The Sunday Times. The KLA is a perfect outfit for the CIA. “Known for its extensive links to Albanian and European crime syndicates, the KLA was supported from the outset in the mid-1990s by the CIA and Germany’s intelligence agency, the Bundes Nachrichten Dienst (BND). In the course of the 1999 war, the KLA was supported directly by NATO,” writes Michel Chossudovsky. “The KLA had extensive links to Al Qaeda, which was also involved in military training. Mujahideen mercenaries from a number of countries integrated the ranks of the KLA, which was involved in terrorist activities as well as political assassinations.” Of course, “links to Al Qaeda” translate into links to the CIA.
“The things that were happening in Kosovo, the things that were happening in Iraq – we are now following the same path. The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America. South Ossetian defense officials used to make statements about imminent aggression from Georgia, but the latter denied everything, whereas the US Department of State released no comments on the matter. In essence, they have prepared the force, which destroys everything in South Ossetia, attacks civilians and hospitals. They are responsible for this. The world community will learn about it,” Vasilyev told Pravda.
Indeed, the world will learn about it, but not by way of America’s corporate media, more interested in the entirely meaningless baby-making of Clay Aiken and Jaymes Foster. Bread and circuses shall suffice in America.
U.S. loads up Georgia with weapons to fight “al-Qaeda”
The Federation of American Scientists website reveals that Georgia
is the most recent recipient of U.S. weapons and aid, receiving 10 UH-1H Huey helicopters (four for spare parts only) and $64 million in military aid and training to fight Arab soldiers with alleged ties to Al Qaeda that have been participating in the Chechen war and are now taking refuge in the Pankisi Gorge region in northern Georgia. Like many of the recent aid recipients, claims that Georgia has become an al Qaeda sanctuary are dubious at best.
“The rapid increase in US strategic influence in the Caucasus has alarmed Russian policy planners. Moscow is keen to take steps to shore up its eroding position in the region. However, Russian officials have limited options with which to counter US moves while at the same time maintaining cordial relations with Washington,” Eurasia.net reported on April 8, 2002. “The most prominent US moves in the Caucasus are the decision to dispatch military advisers to Georgia and a March 29 State Department announcement on the lifting of an arms embargo imposed on Armenia and Azerbaijan. Both actions have the potential to tilt the military establishments of all three Caucasus nations away from Russia and towards NATO.”
Imagine Canada decided to enter a military and diplomatic alliance with Russia and Canada began arming itself to the teeth with Russian weapons and training with Russian military advisers. Can you guess what the reaction of Bush and the neocons would be?
It doesn’t take much imagination.
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CIA engineered Georgia’s Rose Revolution
Of course, this al-Qaeda presence is not so dubious when one considers the well documented fact the supposed Islamic terror group is a CIA contrivance. As well, this absurd concern for al-Qaeda’s presence under Georgian beds helped make possible Georgia’s so-called Rose Revolution. “The Rose Revolution was not a simple uprising but was aided by the CIA and Ambassador Richard Miles (think Serbia). From early 2002 onwards the CIA had been operating in Georgia, supposedly to combat Al Qaeda,” explains researcher James Schneider.
It appears the CIA has worked behind the scenes for quite a while in Georgia. Back in 1993, for instance, CIA agent Fred Woodruff was assassinated by unknown assailants outside of Tbilisi. “Spokesmen for the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to confirm that Mr. Woodruff was working for the intelligence agency. But high-ranking Administration officials said he was, adding that he was not spying on Georgian officials but was training Mr. [Eduard] Shevardnadze’s security forces,” the New York Times reported at the time. So tight was the CIA with the former president of Georgia, they engineered the “bloodless” Rose Revolution and pitched him out on his ear.
In the wake of Georgia’s much vaunted — by the U.S. corporate media — “revolution,” the installed government of autocrat Mikheil Saakashvilli wasted little time imposing “democracy” neocon-style, resulting in violent suppression of opposition political rallies. “Georgia was rocked by opposition rallies for six days last November as protesters occupied central Tbilisi demanding Saakashvili’s resignation over allegations of corruption and increasing authoritarianism,” reported RIA Novosti. “The Georgian leader responded by sending in riot police to crack down on protesters on November 7. Over 500 people were injured according to Human Rights Watch as police used rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons to break up the demonstrations.” In addition, Saakashvilli’s goons used “non-lethal” weapons of the sort developed by the Pentagon (see video).
U.S. military holds “exercises” in Georgia immediately prior to conflict
Last month, Aljazeera reported that “a total of around 1,650 soldiers form the US, Georgia and several other East European countries, have begun exercises on the formerly Russian-controlled Vaziani base, the Georgian defense ministry said.”
NowPublic reported on July 17:
US officials insist the long-planned wargames have nothing to do with the recent dispute between Russia and Georgia over the breakaway Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. But they give Washington a chance to support pro-west Tbilisi at a critical time.
If you believe this, I have a bridge for sale.
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In fact, these “long-planned wargames” were so important the State Department packed up and shipped off Condi Rice to Georgia. Her arrival was nicely timed to coincide with “a deadly firefight between Georgian troops and separatists in a Russian-backed breakaway region…. Ahead of Rice’s arrival, a senior State Department official who did not want to be identified told reporters that unchecked conflict in the region could lead to catastrophe. The official also said Moscow should realize its Soviet empire is gone.”
Catastrophe, indeed, although Russia’s response to Georgia’s invasion of South Ossetia demonstrated Russia’s resolve to reclaim its supposedly evaporated empire.
Israel gets in on the act
Let’s not forget America’s junior partner in chaos and mass murder, Israel. “In addition to the spy drones, Israel has also been supplying Georgia with infantry weapons and electronics for artillery systems, and has helped upgrade Soviet-designed Su-25 ground attack jets assembled in Georgia, according to Koba Liklikadze, an independent military expert based in Tbilisi. Former Israeli generals also serve as advisers to the Georgian military,” reports the International Herald Tribune.
No wonder the horrific photos emerging from South Ossetia have that Lebanon invasion look about them. Israel has over fifty years of experience in invading small countries and has consistently specialized in murdering and tormenting civilians.
Blind eyes all around
As Lavrov explains it, the “Georgian administration has found the use to its arms, which they have been purchasing during the recent several years… We have repeatedly warned that the international community should not turn a blind eye on massive purchases of offensive arms, in which the Georgian administration has been involved during the recent two years.”
Unfortunately, the international community will likely “turn a blind eye” to the U.S. and Israel arming, training, and obviously orchestrating the current conflict, same as they by and large turned a blind eye to Israel’s criminal invasion of Lebanon back in 2005 and the U.S. invasion and ongoing occupation of Iraq. In regard to the latter, the “international community” — indeed, the whole of the American people — are so disorganized and demoralized they cannot address the simple fact the neocons lied a nation into war. Nixon was bounced for far less.
It looks like Russia will be obliged to deal with Georgia’s treachery on its own. Regrettably, Russia’s response will entail even more murder of innocents and wholesale destruction, as this is how government historically deals with threats – real, imagined, or provocateured.
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August 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Russia Prepares for Naval Blockade of Georgia
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“Ships are grouping in the Black Sea near the Georgian aquatic border. A unnamed naval source has said that the move is necessary to prevent arms deliveries to Georgia by sea.”
http://www.kommersant.com/p-13063/South_Ossetia/
August 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
interesting facts here !!!!!http://www.groups.sfahq.com/10th/georgia_18_dec_02_marines.htm
August 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Russia will destroy the New World Order.
August 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
oh god…. stock on ammo now everyone. wolf and other companies are short 7.62, wolf particular has several bad batches out, I think this is a scam on its own, regardless, 1970’s production surplus can still be found.
August 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Do you insane people get anything right?
August 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
May Peace be upon you,
It has become clear that a line has been drawn from Poland down to India/Pakistan and even east toward Thailand/Philippines. After realizing that the Arabs are too weak and unwilling to “start” a global war, they are trying to spark as many flames as possible on this line to finally get it started using any means available (which now includes a nuclear first strike). Thank God that He keeps putting these flames out, for if the flame was to spread along that line it would become a garbage dump for human life where any country with a “population problem” would dump it’s garbage. I hate to use that word (garbage) to describe any life but that is how they think of those below them. Don’t join up, stand up.
August 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I think Canada’s population and Russia better start working together before America causes more trouble here and takes over our resources.
The Mossad/CIA ass kissing Conservative American puppet Canadian government is gonna try to steal the elctions once again and hand my Canada over to American shit sucking corporate assholes. They’ve already opened up Canada to Israeli agents to access all our files and health records, so now Israel is probably going to start getting more access to our military and public buildings (as they did on 911) and begin killing Canadians so they can blame it on you know who. Fuck you Israel and France and epecially you America. Curse you and your demon ridden maggot shits to hell. Most of you are too damn stupid to know any better.
Americans know McCain is a Bush puppet. And yet, you shitheads let them still try to sell it to you all. You’re not even angered by the facts McCain is a Cheney buddy and the media has already decided McCain is going to win.
You don’t know which way is up anymore. With all the information on the internet, and you still show not even a the smallest teeny bit of anger while they shove the conservative right picks down your collective throats.
America is the greatest threat to Canada and must be stopped. Harper and his shit licking boys will only do betray us and smile all the way to the banks while America smiles at how it saved another country by destroying it.
You people are fucking insane and beyond help.
August 9th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Putin, I would like to believe that but, it’s going to take more than Russia to end this barbaric, immoral, enslaving movement known as the NWO. And if they do destroy it, what will it leave in its wake?
Things are gonna get ugly! I hope everyone is prepared or preparing.
God Bless you all and please prepare for the worst, even if it does not happen we all need to be prepared cuz when it does come down, nobody is gonna be there to help you if you have not taken steps to help yourself!
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY!
August 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
9/11 was only the tip of the iceberg! From documentary filmmaker William Lewis comes a bone chilling documentary on the spying, tracking and control of the American public. Watch One Nation Under Siege Documentary at http://www.documentarywire.com.....nder-siege
Peace
August 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Washington and Israel are always involved in every dispicable act in every corner of the globe…if there is murder opression or war…they´ll be there!
August 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Have noticed how all people who have taken momentary charge of the world base themselves on war? All people of this type, those whose well-being depends on the ill-being of others, all dictators, ground themselves on war. It shows how man’s level of being attracts war and how the disease of war is in man, and due to his own state. Since man’s level of being is as it is, then everything will go in the only possible way in which it can go at that level, and no one will be able to anything. Everything is being done in the only way it can be done.
People do not comprehend how they are governed by changing events, imagining that they are always free. They say in times of peace that they will never under any circumstances go to war again. Yet, when a new war starts they always justify themselves and explain why they must do as they do—that is, as they cannot help doing.
War is an event which drags millions of people into its vortex whether they wish it or not. People, however, imagine that they are free. All man’s life is based on the idea that he is free to choose. If a man could see clearly that he is mechanical, that is, that he is not free, he would not be able to endure the realization.
Before war occurs, it is quite easy to think that one is free from it. But when the event comes, the case is different. It is almost as if the war tries to drag as many people as possible into its range and “feed” on them. People forget what they thought. The war attracts them into its sphere of influence. By means of self-justifying, they enter the event and pass under its power. A man may decide that he will never fight again in any war. He is sure he will not. But when the drums begin to beat, when the horrors and madness of war start and he see them or reads about them, he forgets all his resolutions.
War is a collective event, that is, an event implicating nations or a single nation, involved in war or revolution. Man does not see that his own level of being attracts the repeating cycle of war into his life. Because man—who has been formed by life—man who is so deeply asleep and unconscious of his true nature, the influences of war simply act upon him mechanically…it just happens! If men were awake, war could not happen.
All war is equally ridiculous and equally criminal!
If one thing could be different everything could be different. And then, perhaps, there would have been no war. Everything is dependent on everything else, everything is connected, and nothing is separate. Therefore, everything is going in the only way it can go. If people were different everything would be different. They are what they are, so everything is as it is.
Everything happens on Earth as it does because man is asleep, and everything happens in the only way it can. Millions kill each other, suffer incredible misery and so on, because they cannot help it, and it all leads no where, and can lead nowhere. The direction that can lead somewhere is for man to awaken from his deep sleep. Awakening is the individual task of everyone. If a few begin to awaken, the effect spreads and others begin to understand that war is not the answer. You must not adapt to war. To adapt to war is to go to sleep in regard to war.
Everything based on violence can only create violence. There is not a single school of real teaching that teaches violence. Man—natural man—is based on violence and that is why he continually attracts war to himself in every generation. It must be remembered that it is the level of man’s being that attracts war! If man’s being does not change, wars will never end. It is every man’s—and collective humanity’s—inner state that manifests either good or evil, either war or peace. Man must overcome violence in himself. This is a very great issue, and a man must first of all study identifying in himself to its roots before he can understand what the overcoming of violence in himself means.
War exists because man is based on violence. If he receives influences he does not know how to use and does not understand owing to his defective and undeveloped apparatus of reception, he cannot deal with them, and so they pass into irritation, anger or violence. Man is thus like a bad transmitter. He is “evil” because he transmits badly. If a man begins to deal with the small cycle of recurring events in his personal life more consciously and does not identify with some of them, he begins to be able to transform his life on a small scale. He transmits a little better and begins to be a little freer from the machinery of life—of the “turning wheels” surrounding him. If everyone did this, man would not so easily bring mankind to war, and people could then resist war.
When war comes, people find reasons for it and consent to it and feel almost as if they were willingly taking part in it. Whereas war, as a vast collective event, a vortex, has grasped them into its powerful influence and made them take part in it. But if necessity imposes itself on a man in respect to war, even then he does not have to serve his lower nature, which is based on violence. He need not serve his lower nature if he does not identify with what he thinks he has to do and must do as regards war. But if he feels going to war is a fine thing to do he will identify with his lower nature and even go so far as to wish for rewards for his “meritorious actions.” To practice non-identifying can lead somewhere; to serve ones lower nature leads nowhere.
Man is not properly conscious and thus brings war upon himself. The normal state of consciousness in which most people go about, talk, write, plan, make love and so on is a state of hypnotic sleep. In this state of sleep, everything happens in the only way it can happen. Wars start and no one can stop them and people kill each other without wishing to, but because they have to. And a thousand and one other things happen, which no one wishes, but which inevitably happen just because everyone is asleep. People do not guess that this is the real explanation of why life on this Earth is as it is. That is, they do not possess the idea that man is asleep and do not think from it, but think instead from the ideas that man is awake and fully conscious. They think wars take place because of certain people in the background and cannot understand that they take place because everyone is in a state of hypnotic sleep which cannot be thrown off save by direct help from those who have awakened and left behind them ideas to think from and instructions to follow. The idea of man being asleep is an utterly different idea from any of the ordinary ideas we have about life. To think from it is to think in an utterly new way. Have you begun to think from this idea—both as regards life, other people and especially as regards you own self? Do you comprehend, through self-observation, that you yourself are also asleep?
Now, listen carefully. It is man and his level of being that is the cause of war, and as long as man does not try to awaken and develop himself, war will inevitably continue, that is, man will continue to attract war to himself. If we were all more conscious, then war would cease. But this is impossible. It is impossible for everyone to be more conscious. It is a matter of the greatest difficulty for even one person to become more conscious. Man is created a self-developing being, that is, we can work or ourselves and we can change our being—individually. If we all changed, wars would case. And, if we are all created as self-developing beings and make no attempt to use this freedom, why blame God for not intervening?
August 9th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
It happened that Putin of Russia is not member of the Bilderberg organization, which is driving them crazy, they have planned it wrongly with Russia, If you know the inside stories of Putin’s History in the KJB you will understand how much he worked to illimnate the Zionists influence in Russia. The NWO off course will not sit and watch Russia acting against their will and interests, they first try to bribe, threaten, then War! just like they did with Napoleon of France.
Putin started with cleaning the KJB from the Zionists loyalists, assasin some of them, and threw some in Jail. He continued, backed up with a loyal Generals, with kicking the Jews Zionists from key positions in the Government, and threw few wealthy Zionists in jail or expelled them from Russia. Putin is not a man to mass with. He fears no United states, or NATO. Russia now is stronger than ever, no more Parasties poor previous Soviet Union small countries living of the Russian’s wealth. If you want to know how wealth russia is now, try to buy a property there, any house or apartment is no less than $500,000. Try to go on Vacation to Moscow, it will cost you more than going to Paris. The Russian Mafia is no longer acting like before, because the Government is aware that The Mafia in any country is headed by wealthy Jewish Zionists acting from hebind the curtains, so they are cutting the heads of the snakes. It’s killing the NWO leaders that Russia is out of their control, it was for a short time after The collapse of the Former Soviet Unions, and the people were really dissapointed with the West real face..they wanted Communists back because they were at least working and have homes to live in. Now Russia is back on it’s feets. The dog will bark loudly and try endleslly to put their hands on Russians wealth.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Reality- Georgia attacks S. Ossetia, Russia defends.
Ossetia ‘claimed’ independance from Georgia in 92′ held elections in 06′ 99% voted for independance.
Georgia attacking as NATO/NWO puppet for central bank control.
Russia defending Ossetia, killing attacking Georgian’s.
Central banks control standing NATO/NWO (US, EU) armies, not the people.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
#8 FUCK THIS COUNTRY……………………
Yes and I can say that. Came to its aid back in the 60’s and was called
a baby killer.
Gonna be solo on My own side this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take care of #1 That is me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
@ quantum disruptor:
I can’t argue with your anger, but you must realize that not ALL Americans are in on this crap. There’s about 300 million of us, a third of us armed to the teeth. What good does it do? We can’t stand up to our own military. We don’t elect our government, it is chosen for us. As for the corporations, well, look in your own home and tell me how much of the ’stuff’ you own came from a store (corporation). You’d better think again if you think Russia is your savior. In any conflict with the USA they would nuke your population centers at the same time they nuked ours and then would invade and conquer your country to take whatever resources were left. Perhaps the better solution would be for citizens of Canada, America, and Mexico to stand up to the NWO TOGETHER for each of our sovereignity. We can’t look elsewhere because China, India, Russia et al look at north america and see a jackpot of resources. Perhaps if we stand together with common cause we can come through this as three separate and free nations. Or maybe we’ll just rant on websites and end up enslaved. We have the choice.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
This needs to end…..Nobody wants this so why is this happening? Get rid of the Neocons NOW America!
BEAT the international bankers at their own game……become debt free and secure your finances.
http://www.becomericher.info
August 9th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
The Georgia offensive attack against Russia is but just another Distraction away from our Constitutional Legal Right of INTEREST FREE COIN.
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
This, Contract is and as still written, see above and signed in 1787! (In Colonial English).
2/3rd of Congress, both Houses; must Amend the Constitution.
3/4th of all State Legislators must Ratify the Amendment as written; or
3/4th of all State Conventions, must Ratify the Amendment as written.
ALSO
2/3rd of all State Conventions must Amendment the U.S. Constitution.
3/4th of all State Legislators must Ratify the Amendment as written; or
3/4th of all State Conventions, must Ratify the Amendment as written.
This is our Republic, 3/4th Ratification needed to Change this Contract.
This is Not a Democracy = 51 votes to 49 votes needed to Change this Contract.
This Contract has not Changed, as recorded since 1992, Why?
Yet, Article V and Article VI have been slowly, Abolished over the Years.
Constitutional Rights are NOW considered Privileges by Federal and State Laws.
The Bill of Rights protects; all the Articles unless Destroyed by Federal and State Laws.
The Declaration of Independence protects; “We the People”
Unless Destroyed by Federal and State Laws.
Our Republic protects our Borders, and only grows by Mutual Consent,
Not by Forced Wars to create a new Democracy since “We the People” are a Republic!
The complete Destruction of Article V of this Legal Contract;
Will completely Destroy all lesser Contracts, Bank, Mortgage, Insurance, Stock,
Social Security, Retirement, Marriage and all Contracts signed within U.S. Boundaries.
All Null and Void, just as the U.S. Constitution is now Null and Void. This is Subversion.
Refer to the Declaration of Independence or a new Declaration of Individual States!
States must resolve this Union that violates Truth, Justice and our U.S. Constitution.
Interest Free Coin, borrowed from the U.S. Treasury is the LAW!
Where is the Constitutional Proof to Change this specific Constitutional Right?
There is NONE, Folks.
The Georgia attack against Russia is just another Distraction financed by the
World Banks and all of there Private Property Owners creating, International Property
Ownership and all Holdings etc. have almost completely Destroyed our complete U.S. Constitution.
This is Why We Fight Wars, To Avoid The Truth of obvious Constitutional Violations.
To allow these above Crimes against our Government to continue, both
At the Federal and State Levels is the Ultimate Crime against AMERICA.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
The Kremlin, Moscow
As you know, Russia has maintained and continues to maintain a presence on Georgian territory on an absolutely lawful basis, carrying out its peacekeeping mission in accordance with the agreements concluded. We have always considered maintaining the peace to be our paramount task. Russia has historically been a guarantor for the security of the peoples of the Caucasus, and this remains true today.
Last night, Georgian troops committed what amounts to an act of aggression against Russian peacekeepers and the civilian population in South Ossetia. What took place is a gross violation of international law and of the mandates that the international community gave Russia as a partner in the peace process.
Georgia’s acts have caused loss of life, including among Russian peacekeepers. The situation reached the point where Georgian peacekeepers opened fire on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they are supposed to work together to carry out their mission of maintaining peace in this region. Civilians, women, children and old people, are dying today in South Ossetia, and the majority of them are citizens of the Russian Federation.
In accordance with the Constitution and the federal laws, as President of the Russian Federation it is my duty to protect the lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they may be.
It is these circumstances that dictate the steps we will take now. We will not allow the deaths of our fellow citizens to go unpunished. The perpetrators will receive the punishment they deserve.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
sniff… sniff……i smell wwIII and the beginning of the end….dont forget we have chinese troops on u.s. soil in southern cali!
August 9th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
http://www.unbent.wordpress.com for more conspiracy news
August 9th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
#11, all you had to say is that God gave man free will. Gosh so much dribble!!!!! I decided to read the last sentence of your last paragraph. Most people place their main point there on this board.
FRICKEN A!!!!
August 9th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I have a feeling we may see an end to Georgia entirely.
August 9th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Peace JIM,
I agree with most of what you said however you talk as if God has not intervened to cleanse the world of the most vile of evils Pharaoh in Egypt, Babylon Hitler in Germany, the former USSR to only name a few. The last two mentioned, who had blatant anti-God positions, were destroyed by the country who had, “In God We Trust” printed on their currency. This is not to say that the US government today or nor back then was a positive entity, however I use this as an example to provide evidence for my point as well as evidence of your point that we are not in control and that things are they way they are supposed to be. War, if forced upon us as it currently is, can be a positive force if it cuts off a significant portion of the snake while at the same time shows us the faces of those who are willingly controlled by the snake, the oppressors.
Those that are asleep are to be protected from the influence of evil men until God decides to awaken them if that is His Will. However as you have rightly said most people are asleep and will not be able to defend them selves. The snakes control grid has been in place openly since the appearance of the internet. Before people relied upon books and word of mouth for information, today we can clearly see if it is our choice to see. Being those that are awake, does it not become our personal responsibilities to protect not only each other but those that are asleep as well in any way we can? Only the men and women who allow no fear other than the fear of God to enter their hearts will have the courage and strength to stand up against the old evils that have plagued our peoples for centuries who are clearly working together (although because of their nature they are cannibalistic and always suspicious of each other). These evils will continue to plague us until Judgment Day. It therefore becomes necessary for us not only to unit under God but but to actively support and defend each other wherever we may be. This will allow us to identify oppression wherever it may be in order to battle it, and not have to wait until war is literally on our door step before considering action.
This is why I propose an international effort working together to transform the infant EU into an entity that will uphold the God given laws of Equality and Justice above all else. This can be done through providing research based proposals to the European Parliament in drafting up its constitution, as well as in other areas of concern including foreign policy, financial affairs, public welfare etc. For example I am currently in the process of writing my college dissertation on the potential effects of the ongoing global financial crisis on Europe and the opportunities for the EU if it passes reforms that make it totally transparent and by extension just. One opportunity of this is to attract more foreign direct investment that currently has no where to go because no financial institution trusts the other to invest in it. I also plan on showing that if the EU continues in its current path of corruption it can only suffer the same fate as the US if not worse due to the fact that it is composed of separate sovereign states that would have no problem leaving if the euro were to have a drastic shift in either direction. Up if the US dollar fails and the proper reforms have not been put in place to cushion the flood of investment into the EU that would follow a dollar collapse and down if the world is too poor and devastated to invest anywhere because all of their wealth went into the US dollar seeing as it is the only superpower amongst a pack of corrupt economies with the highest chance of survival.
The war is here and there are several front lines. The two most important are the information front line where truth is used to wipe out falsehood (science is used to battle corrupt science) and the line where people are dying and killing each other. The only question is which front line has reached your door step. Both are just as deadly.
Peace
August 9th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Those dam Georgians. There out of there mind. They’re just a little tool of the New World Order. Attaching people like that. I am so glad Russia is bombing the hell out of Georgia. They should just make Georgia a Russian state a part of Russia and under Russian control. The CHURCH in the VIDEO was an ARMENIAN CHURCH. It pains me to see these asses doing this to people.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
To be a partial Jew you have to ask yourself: am’I a terrorist or just partial?
However, I know military is always working together for the greater goal…
It’s the same, always. It’s about killing, you know.
Why attacking Israel (the people) in the same sentence as the military?
Eh, am’I a terrorist to be extinct or just partial?
/Peter (The Nordic Guy)
August 9th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
why do I feel like #16 is in my home giving me his sales pitch
August 9th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Us Navy’s Counterterror-Counter Narcotics Technology Program office is several weeks away from buying large numbers of helicopter parts, manuals etc. for Afghanistan. Get this; – the helicopters are all Russian Mi-17 and Mi-35. Russia’s arms export agency is under sanction, so where do you think USA will find the items? I ain’t telling!
August 9th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
This reminds me of the proxi wars that the US and the Soviet Union were involved in during the Cold War.
ps. Kassem Abdellah.. leave God in your prayers. And that goes for all you religious people.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Georgian troops took the hilltops and ordered all civilians out of the city within 3 hours. The only route out of the city was through a tunnel to North Ossetia. The tunnel crammed, people had no where to go when the shelling started. Georgian troops began shelling the city and using Su-25 fighter-bombers to drop heavy payloads into basements of larger buildings. Maurading Georgian troops are dropping hand grenades into basements where civilian children are hiding with their elderly grandparents.
This is coming live from Russian TV1 on Direct TV here in Austin.
Putin left the Olympics and made a press conference from Vladikafkaz today. He is PISSED! And he stated those responsible for this crime will be punished”. And; “Georgian people are like our brothers’, … ‘ we know it is those in government who caused all this to happen”. Russia will go in. That’s it for Georgia. Get ready for GWB to get his orders and send the 6th fleet into the Black Sea “tp evacuate Embassy personnel and family members, any Americans who want to leave the territory.
Get ready for a big nasty situation. Thanks to the international bankers and oil / arms syndicates once again!
August 10th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Snowmelter. If I was standing in front of you and you even began to show the slightest hint that Canada should join America, I’ll be honest , my fist would be through the back of your fucking little skull before you could finish saying “stand toget..”
America, as a whole, and proven numerous times, would turn on any country in the moment you feel was not doing your bidding.
Lies to get into Irag and Afghanistan,.. and so on.
And don’t preach to me you little fuck, about what is or isn’t in my home. I know this is over the net, but I would love to see’n hear you try to teach me how I should see things the American way before I and many Canadians like me would make you see it for what it really is.
I know what America is, Mexico knows, the whole world knows. Your fake money loving TV preachers and media mafia all know. Your system feeds on oil and power and has managed to short change everybody just so you could have it all.
[1992, A retired Judge, living in Ottawa, faxed to a friends father what was basically a draft to sell Canada to American interests. It was called Free Trade.]
]The FAX contained a huge list that worried the Judge, {especially the parts on handing over Canada’s fresh water tables, lumber, and oil and minerals to American interests first, leaving us with whatever is left over in times of shortages or major wars or catastrophies.}
Free Trade also forces Canada to take on more low grade American produce ( if dumb fucks like you don’t know, what you consider grade A in America , would be put under Grade DD in Canada)[
American’s have no clue as to why the world hates you. You can tell yourselves it’s ’cause “whatever”, but you can never fully understand becuase you are programed not to.
No American fuck is ever going to convince me or most Canadians that America is or could be our buddy now. 911 / legal torture / your unquechable thirst for drugs. Your fucking ego’s cannot keep you fucks from trying to turn people into seeing things your way. Which is why I very much enjoyed watching the American asshole get his head kicked in when I visited Greece a while back, as the idiot figured he could make the Greek local see things his way.
You are your own worst enemy. And you know why. Most Americans are so fucking stupid, you can’t even locate Canada on a map. Which, when one thinks about it really, is a damn good thing.
You may or may not be some dickweed that has nothing better to do then throw in your two cents. Well, good for you. Now get the fuck out of the way.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Georgian troops took the hilltops and ordered all civilians out of the city within 3 hours. The only route out of the city was through a tunnel to North Ossetia. The tunnel crammed, people had no where to go when the shelling started. Georgian troops began shelling the city and using Su-25 fighter-bombers to drop heavy payloads into basements of larger buildings. Maurading Georgian troops are dropping hand grenades into basements where civilian children are hiding with their elderly grandparents.
This is coming live from Russian TV1 on Direct TV here in Austin.
Putin left the Olympics and made a press conference from Vladikafkaz today. He is PISSED! And he stated those responsible for this crime will be punished”. And; “Georgian people are like our brothers’, … ‘ we know it is those in government who caused all this to happen”. Russia will go in. That’s it for Georgia. Get ready for GWB to get his orders and send the 6th fleet into the Black Sea “tp evacuate Embassy personnel and family members, any Americans who want to leave the territory.
Get ready for a big nasty situation. Thanks to the international bankers and oil / arms syndicates once again!
See: htttp://www.youtube.com/russiatoday
August 10th, 2008 at 1:24 am
SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=user
August 10th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Russia Today
http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/28684/video
August 10th, 2008 at 2:36 am
U.S. can be partly blamed for war – ex Georgian FM
A number of experts agree the military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia is not in Russia’s interests. The Former Georgian Foreign Minister Salome Zurabishvili says the United States could be partly responsible for the violence in South Ossetia.
In an interview with the France-Presse news agency she commented on the possible reasons behind the military conflict.
“There are many Americans in Georgia training the military forces of the country and monitoring the situation. As I understand, they also supervise the strategic corridor – the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline.
The main purpose behind the conflict is the further strategic orientation of Georgia and an opportunity for the West, I mean the USA and the EU, to count on Georgia and the Caucasus in ensuring the strategic provision of oil”.
Professor Gerhard Mangott, from the Department of political science at the University of Innsbruck, shared his opinion on who stands to gain from the military escalation in the conflict zone.
“The military assault in South Ossetia was launched deliberately, and the question is by whom? Definitely, not by Russia, as it’s not in the country’s interests,” he said.
August 10th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Funny thing is where’s Bush? The US is on the brink of a major conflict with a nuclear power (Russia) and what is Bush doing? The same thing he dud during Katrina. Off enjoying himself. Screw a potential nuclear crisis! I gotta watch the Olympics!
August 10th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Top Brass Defends Russia’s Right to “preventive” nuclear Strike
http://www.mnweekly.ru/news/20080124/55305669.html
August 10th, 2008 at 2:56 am
I just found this site and am looking through the comments. Alot of odd opinions, including the article. A complete anti-semitic slant wouldn’t be overly stating it, would it. Alot of historically, how can I put it, stupid people here. Let’s me sum up my “opinion”.
Georgia was the first country to join the crusades to defend Christians against the invading muslims. They are Christians and their country is named after St. George, the destroyer of the serpent. Their President is US educated and a US ally. They are not invading Russia. Russia is invading them. Issetia is a province of Georgia. Just in case you missed it, the German speaking part of Switzerland is not part of Germany, even if they are Nazi members. It’s still Switzerland. Really… it is.
The Russians are on Georgian soil. They are rolling tanks to the Georgian capital right now. They are not in Russia. They are not peacekeeping. They are not peacekeepers. They are annexing a nation. They are taking over Georgia yet again. They have disabled/blown up the oil pipeline that flows to Europe. They are nuking all Georgian internet sites, and disconnecting the rest in Georgia. They are doing this right now. You people need a fucking clue. http://it.slashdot.org/article.....10/0126232
Putin has imprisoned the owners of private media in Russia. All media in Russia is controlled and owned exclusively by Putin. The governors of all Russian states have been removed/disappeared. Putin was not elected. Medvedev was not elected. Medvedev has never held any political office before being appointed the President of Russia. They are both former FSB. Medvedev/Putin now want to put nuclear missle systems in Cuba, yet again.
It is proper for the USA CIA services to teach Georgians how to defend themselves from Russia. That is what the CIA does. It is not proper for them to work inside the US. The Russians are the enemy of Democratic societies. They have never been otherwise. Why do you think we have 30,000 nukes sitting around? To defend ourselves from Haiti?
Patton was right. We shouldn’t have stopped in Germany. The Russians are ON GEORGIAN SOIL! If you think it’s their right to take over a country because they have ethnic Russians in it, then give them half of New York city before they bomb your asses too. The majority of you folks will get a reality check sooner than you hope.
Turkey is next to Georgia. Expect some new and wonderful things when Russia turns it’s eye to them.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:36 am
anti-semitic? fuck off justanotherguy. we don’t need your bullshit here. stfu you twit!
August 10th, 2008 at 4:24 am
No one on this net has brought up the use of Blackwater to train the Georgian’s and setting up its own Georgian SEAL team. No big deal…
August 10th, 2008 at 4:34 am
Justanotherguy,
Just exactly which language do most Georgians speak? Ossetia is not the Russian part of Georgia; Georgia was part of Russia for about two hundred years. It was a satellite nation during the communist era, and recently the criminals who run Georgia broke off from the criminals that run Russia, but make no mistake — Ossetians, Georgians, Russians — there are no good guys in this fight, and if people really knew the truth, they would know the CIA-backed Georgians and the post-Communist (though largely ex-KGB) leadership of Russia are both working for the same puppet masters, AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. CIA, MI6, KGB, Mossad. Same all around. This little puppet show in the Caucasus is a mere distraction orginally intended for the Russians, but inadvertently leaking into the periphery of the American consciousness, despite concerted efforts to prevent this.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:45 am
Reason P.N.A.C , target IRAN
August 10th, 2008 at 5:00 am
Both sides are scumbags, no matter who wins you lose, it’s NWO vs that other bunch of totalitarian authoritarian scum.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:29 am
August 10, 2008, 2:15
Ossetians and Abkhazians protest near US embassy in Moscow
More than 30,000 Ossetians currently live in Moscow. Some have started collecting humanitarian aid to be sent to those in need. While others protest in front of the U.S. embassy.
They claim Georgia is an American…
SEE VIDEO: http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/28734/video
August 10th, 2008 at 5:29 am
The NWO and the Communists (and their pseudo-post-communist ultra-nationalist successors) were brought to you by the same folks, but otherwise I agree with you. Basically, they are the same scum working for the same forces.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Quantum Disruptor, you are a serious fucking idiot (in every sense of the word) if you think all Americans are how you describe us as. You’re sounding as fucking retarded as the Americans you are making fun of. You talk about our election as if we have a choice, we don’t. There are so many of us here who don’t buy into this propaganda shit so get some wet wipes, wipe the tears from your eyes and calm the fuck down. By the way, our thirst for drugs? Excuse me? We have drug awareness programs rammed down our throats here where as in Canada I know your drug laws are lax compared to ours you ignorant angry little shit.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:01 am
I’ll be watching for confirmation of “grenades in basements”. That particular tactic I find the most disturbing. I think it impossible to forgive anyone who would do that.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Okay thats all we need to do is make more enemies!! And we are making the Russians very angry with these acts of aggression!! And they will eventually attack us because we are constantly meddling in their national security and affairs!! I use to hate the Russians from age 9 because I thought that they were so evil. But they have been made to be evil because the international bankers/Illuminati/Black Nobility Families have killed 100’s of millions of them over the last 100 plus years!! And about 20 years ago or so I realized that they were only fighting for their survival !! But if they do attack us (and I will gurantee it that they will) in the very near future; we must still fight them to the death because we are still Americans and even though our government is ruled by these international bankers; we have to survive and protect our families and nation!! But it will be all the globalist/oil barons/international bankers/Illuminati’s fault for getting us into this dreadfully horrible war that they will start and hatch!! MAYBE THE GLOBALIST WANT US ALL DEAD ANYWAY!! MAYBE ITS THEIR INTENTION TO LET RUSSIA ATTACK US AND CHINA GETTING INVOLVED TOO INORDER TO DECREASE THE POPULATION OF THE WORLD AND BRING FORTH THEIR ORDER OUT OF CHAOS!! But I have an even better revelation; the globalist are doing this to have the Russians fight themselves because they are probably planning an attack against them and Israel and the United States and Europe in the near future!! OH MY!! I HAVE JUST STUMBLED ONTO THE SOMETHING!! BUT NO MATTER HOW THIS ALL PLAYS OUT; DON’T TAKE THAT ZOMBIE MAKING BEAST CHIP!!
August 10th, 2008 at 6:05 am
JustAnotherGuy, you are a brainwashed dumb fuckhead.
What right does the US have invading the middle east and killing thousands.
Sell your bullshit somewhere else, you disinfo maggot.
Russia has every right to do what it’s doing.
PS. I hope they kick the States ass once and for all.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:12 am
#41. JustassimpleSpecOpsguy. “No one on this net has brought up the use of Blackwater to train the Georgian’s and setting up its own Georgian SEAL team. No big deal…”
I thinks is a big deal…A REALLY Big Deal. It should be a Big Deal to everyone because:
Blackwater has been hiring and training Thugs who have no conscience, from many rogue Nations around the world. They pick Murdering Thugs who are the worst of the worst. Blackwater admittedly (even advertises) being able to send this Facist Pig/Communist Mercenary Mafia Team, to any Country at a moments notice, for the right amount of BIG $$$$$s.
It’s my guess the American taxpapers unwittingly paid Blackwater for training Georgian Revolutionary KLA, and ensuing chaos.
Blackwater….looks like the Blackwater Mercenaries are the new annointed Special Forces of the New World Oder (o.k, ..Order) United Nations Mafia “Peacekeepers.”
August 10th, 2008 at 6:15 am
@ quantum
ok fucktard you want to be a dick. All right. Like I said before, there are a hundred million fully armed and pissed off americans. None of us support GWB or the NWO. How many fully armed and pissed off canadians are there? Are there a hundred million of you? You might have once had guns, but I’ve been to Canada and your gun laws and restrictions are insane. You rolled over, stuck your ass in the air and said “make us safe”. So, your government did just that…by disarming you. You’re going to punch me in the face for suggesting that everyone who is pissed about the way things are going should stand together? Not if I shoot you first, dipshit. Your angry, impotent ravings aside, if you know your own history you would know that Canada is part of the Commenwealth of nations. For fucksake, you still pay homage to the British royalty. In case the fact eluded you, the British Empire was probably the most heinous and fucked up empire in the history of God’s green earth. Compared to the atrocities commited by the Brits, America would have to have an entire generation or six of traitors like GWB to even come close. And as for taking inventory of what’s in yer house: do you have a tv? toothpaste, toilet paper, a car, a radio, a computer (all of which are made by “evil corporations” dontcha know) or do you ride your horse to the farmers’ market and trade yer corn and tomatoes for peppers and potatoes and then shit in a bucket outside yer doublewide? You slope shouldered, slacked jawed ignorant disgrace of a human being…don’t talk to me about getting out of the way, you’ll be one of the first to die. Fuck you.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:15 am
having lot’s of problems with typos lately:
correction “I think it’s a big deal…” (embarrassed) Please excuse all future dumb errors.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:47 am
It’s pretty obvious that this is just more of the same from the US, the pentagon and the CIA. Arm a tyrant to the teeth, train their military, throw in a few hundred million bucks then let the tyrant fight your proxy war for you. The US has been doing this since it was founded. Nuts in the White House, nuts in the Pentagon – I have a feeling that it isn’t going to work out for you this time.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:17 am
#54 The same Nazi Propaganda!
The truth you say. But it was like this it all started (WWII) and will start again.
Do we ever learn?
August 10th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Snowmelter, Canadians aren’t disarmed.
Guns are supposed to be registered but who can own everything from handguns to assault rifles.
I think it was in a Michael Moore movie where he said per capita that Canadians had more guns.
Doesn’t really matter; after this war the next one will be fought with sticks and stones.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:45 am
The US is the most armed population on the face of the Earth. The UN’s greatest lust is to see it disarmed. The PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES and there right to bear arms are the only thing in the way of the NWO. If we fail, the world falls. We will win out. History repeats itself. Everyone that tried to take over the world has failed. They will fail again so long as everyone wakes up to the truth. I am armed. I am ready already. The only thing I need is more bullets, and these assholes starting this shit off.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:50 am
#53 Snowjob
#In case the fact eluded you, the British Empire was probably the most heinous and fucked up empire in the history of God’s green earth. Compared to the atrocities commited by the Brits, America would have to have an entire generation or six of traitors like GWB to even come close.#
Snowjob, It’s fuckwits like you that give “decent Yanks” a bad name, and it’s “decent Yanks” that should be putting fuckwits like you in your place!
Various U.S Governments over the course of two centuries “have slaughtered and poisoned far more innocent Men, Women and Children, than the British have slaughtered over several centuries”
Get your facts straight Snowjob…ya fuckin retard!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am
King,
It is going to take a lot more than than a self proclaimed internet King to make me be quite about anything you and your kind should know that by now. I know that I promised to stay out of public places but that was with the condition that you left me alone and you haven’t so I am saying now that I think Alex Jones should do a proper investigation into why Alexander Litvinenko was actually murdered. A hint would be to find out who his “target” was and why that person would even qualify to be a target. Even more telling would be Mr. Litvinenko’s reaction to the “target” upon contact with him. Perhaps then people will realize the true reason behind this sudden increase in the rate of carnage and chaos. Most people know but are too scared to say it because they fear the loss of support and ridicule from even so called “truth seekers” like yourself. God has sent this generation it’s messenger and you have sat around and seen him be ridiculed and humiliated and once even killed yet you have done nothing. And nothing is what you will do while you get slaughtered by those in whom you have put your trust other than God. You are the type of person who when called to actually fight would turn on his heals and run for cover like most Kings do. This entire so called “revolution” is nothing without God’s help and mark these words: if you do not have God in your heart, there will come a time when you will wish that you were nothing.
To the rest of you Peace
August 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am
First off to quantum there is a lot of Canadians that are pissed off as well, in fact this is more informed people in Canada than in the United States my friend. Everyone that i talk to knows what NWO is they know who controls them and they know that both policitical partys in the states are the same thing. Don’t forget looking from the outside in reveals more then looking from the inside out. As far as fighting spirit the Canadians do not lay down for anyone or anything, what you are doing is trying to split us, all of us apart when we should be fighting together, and believe me we should all be on the same page when this crap goes down. It’s not about Canada or United States or the UK and who is pissed more or who has the best armed forces. That’s all stupid crap to be fighting about instead of that you should be asking yourself if this happens, for example if material law goes down, what is my first move what i’am i going to be doing to protect my friends and family. Then worry about being pissed off and getting up in peoples faces. We all should be faxing the crap out of our congressman and women saying why isnt’ there impeacement hearing for bush and his crazy ass followers.
Now that being said, i just have to say that Georgia started this by attacking Russian peace keepers and killing like 16 of them. Russia responsed like any other country that loses armed forces in a unstable region. They also have Russian citizens there as well, and there were reports that Georgian forces were killing innocent people genocide hmmm. I’am also wondering if this is just a diversion of what really is about to go down in Iran. Lets not forget that Russia has interests in Iran and in order to attack Iran they would need to have Russia looking the other way along with the rest of the world. With those ships heading over to the straight as we speak by the looks of it it’s going down soon. So what should we do, fax the crap out of the congress and demand to know why there is a super fleet of navy ships heading over to Iran, we faxed them when the border was in trouble, this is just important. Let the neocons know that we do watch what’s going on and they are going be sneaking around in the shadows to get into another war. I say hell no we won’t go.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Who can put two and two together?
1. Georgia wants to be part of NATO and the European Union!
2. American and Israeli military advisers were present in Georgia! I don’t know if they’re right now?
3. Last month there were military exercises in Georgia!
4. As seen on Infowars yesterday, there’s a huge naval fleet on his way to the Persian Gulf!
5. 08-08-’08 start of the Olympic Games in China!
6. In the night of 7/8-’08 start of the hostilities in South-Ossetia!
7. Saakashvili clames in a dramatic pressconference, that Russia made the first move! In cloaked terms he actually asks NATO to intervene! Did NATO promissed him something?
In my point of view this is a deliberat action, to distract Russia and China from intervene the huge naval fleet, steaming up to the Persian Gulf! In fact, this is a very dangerous situation wich can lead us into WWIII! And when things are going too far, there’s nothing to stop China from stopping the Olympic Games, wich in this case is a farce anyhow!
August 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am
The president of Georgia should be put on trial for the attacks and murders on South Ossetia. Nations should intervene to stop the violence and serve justice. Since South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia, the sovereignty of Georgia doesn’t extend in their territory nor are they allowed to use mass killings under any circumstances. With so many illegitimate governments around the world any military personnel caught killing civilians should be internationally prosecuted.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:23 am
When you know that the Global Elite who use their strategically placed puppets in Russia, Iran, US, Europe, China to orchestrate elaborate crisis such as this, their agenda becomes clearer every day!
To my mind the faceless ‘few’ fat controllers of this world are playing out their sick game, these guys are desperate to enforce the NWO, I believe that all major players are in on this plan. The apparent unrest and squabbling between nations has been carefully instigated to bring about their ultimate goal for the world. As the light shines on humanity to wake up, the Global Elite are sh***ing themselves. The evil ones will create chaos in their dying throes for those of us who have strength of spirit will not succumb to fear, that is what they are relying upon, your FEAR. Our military men and women, our journalists and government officials with conscience and courage now have the power to change this situation and to refuse to carry out the orders of the cabal, we must encourage them to do so. As for we ordinary citizens, all we can do is spread the word, but not the fear, empower ourselves not weaken each other with visions of terror. We have allowed these murderous boneheads enough already!
August 10th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Too bad most of the Canadians I know are just into sports and have lost their focus on real issues and now the media here stinks almost as bad as American media. Almost all of them hate neocons though so maybe this will do the job. I seen news of this happening now for some time so I got pissed off back then, now I am watching what will happen next. No matter what happens the sole responsiblity rest on the supporters of globalism and there will be nowhere to hide it will ultimately come to our shores if it escalates too far.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:37 am
#59 oh, so I’m a fuckwit….hmmm. someone hasn’t bothered to open a book.
America has done more in two centuries than Britain did in…how many…um 500 years. Let’s take a look at that.
Let’s start with India. How many hundreds of thousands of people died when the UK decided to “civilize” India? Oh, and then they partitioned it into three countries…India, Pakistan and Bangelades. We can all see how well that worked out. Let’s also keep in mind that it was a British soldier who decided where the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan would be placed. It’s not like that hasn’t caused a couple hundred years worth of wars.
Oh, have you heard of the middle east? Maybe? Good ol’ Britian partitioned it the way they saw fit without any concern about religous or ethnic ties. Yes, they’ve been fighting since the time of Christ, but the Brits made sure (not on purpose I think, but results are results) that there would be continued bloodshed for centuries to come due to retarded, arbitrary divisions based on the conveniences of the times.
Then, of course, there is China. Have you heard of the opium wars? the Boxer Rebellion? Do you suppose China might distrust the West today based on the fucktarded bullshit Britain pulled back then? Hmmm. Maybe?
And why the fuck is an Australian standing up for the British crown? I realize you are also part of the Commonwealth and everything, but for fucksake you began yer nation as a prison camp!! A cage for undesirables (as the British said at the time) that couldn’t be trusted or paid for by the British Empire!
So, in essence…from about 1500 to about 1900 the Brits started damn near every major war…for four hundred fucking years. America is only half that age fuckwit so when we’re that bad, you can talk some shit. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and sit down and eat a plate of kangaroo meat you lackwit douchebag.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Blacks?
Dead Mercenaries Found in Tskhinvali
Authorities in the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia claim that dark-skinned mercenaries took part in the attack on Tskhinvali, reports RIA Novosti, citing representative of the South Ossetian president in Russia Dmitry Medoev. He said there were bodies of many Georgian soldiers on the streets on Tskhinvali. “There were blacks among the dead, who were probably either mercenaries or instructors in the Georgian armed forces,” Medoev said.
http://www.kommersant.com/p-13072/South_Ossetia/
August 10th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Don’t you mean “provoke”, you uneducated boobs?
August 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Want to read what will happen next?? GO TO: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1124.htm and you will see! Bet Born Again now while you are still alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read John 3:16.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Video from ground via Moscow. You wont see this shit on CNN or Faux..
http://www.youtube.com/user/russiatoday?ob=4
Over and Out.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
#66 Snowjob
Did you or did you not state the following in your post (#53)?
#In case the fact eluded you, the British Empire was probably the most heinous and fucked up empire in the history of God’s green earth. Compared to the atrocities commited by the Brits, America would have to have an entire generation or six of traitors like GWB to even come close.#
Did i or did i not respond with the following in my post (#59)?
Snowjob, It’s fuckwits like you that give “decent Yanks” a bad name, and it’s “decent Yanks” that should be putting fuckwits like you in your place!
Various U.S Governments over the course of two centuries “have slaughtered and poisoned far more innocent Men, Women and Children, than the British have slaughtered over several centuries”
Get your facts straight Snowjob…ya fuckin retard!!!
.
Millions and Millions of innocent Souls laid waste by the successor to the Roman Empire…Souls ignored by those whose thought was “why were the best goddamn country on the face of the earth” “the worlds oil is our goddamn oil ain’t no one wanna git in our way” “whites bus only” “why them redskins is nothin but animals, and thats why we can rape them women an children, we just love our bestiality” “them nigga’s nothin but animals, you here me boy, whip that filthy negra one hun’red more times” “we the clan is gonna have us a lynchin, in the name of the lord hallelujah” “Pol Pot who the fuck’s he, them Cambodians ain’t got oil, let em all burn in hell”
“etc”
“etc”
“etc”
“etc”
Slaughtered, Torn Apart, Flesh flailed from the body, Maimed, Hung, Blown to pieces, Poisoned, Shot, Raped, Gassed in your own subways, Experimented on like lab rats, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc!
Home of the brave, Land of the free?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
And i thought that Hitler, Amin, Pol Pot, Saadam, and the rest of the evil crew were the bad ones?
August 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Blackwater CIA mercenaries help Georgia?
The president of South Ossetia claims mercenaries took part in Georgia’s offensive against the breakaway republic, according to Russia’s RIA news agency. Eduard Kokoity says Ukrainians, people from the Baltics as well as nationals from other countries were involved.
Kokoity says that: “After the fighting in the city we found several bodies of citizens of the Baltic states and Ukraine. Later on I was informed that the bodies of several black men were found at the scene of a battle near school number 12. Kokoity said.
He also said some corpses had the narrow eyes typical of people from Asia.
South Ossetian officials say more than 2,000 of their civilians were killed in the attack. Georgia disputes this figure.
The Russian envoy in South Ossetia, Dmitry Medoyev, says the scene in Tskhinvali is horrific.
“The town looks like Stalingrad during WW2, with fallen trees, power lines, burnt Georgian tanks all over the streets. The dead bodies of Georgian soldiers are lying everywhere,” Medoyev said.
He also confirmed the South Ossetian President’s claim that foreign mercenaries took part in the onslaught.
“In yesterday’s attack, the advancing tanks were supposedly crewed by Ukrainians. Two unidentified bodies found today are said to have black skin. Possibly they are Americans but we can’t say for sure yet. We will be able to publish the official conclusions after carrying out special tests,” Medoyev said.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am
More breaking news video. Some of its graphic..And sad.
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28749/video
Over and Out
August 10th, 2008 at 11:47 am
@Aussie
It’s a hard job to wake up these morrons, even if it’s their own country, liberty or what ever! I hope you’lle wake them up with you’re #71 post, but I don’t think so! Life goes on! It’s history, man!
August 10th, 2008 at 11:57 am
http://www.e-space.mmu.ac.uk/e.....iGlob.html
August 10th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Aussie, Ive been writing you. I think that this invasion from Russia is to try to establish a corridor from russia to Iran from the north. Because they dont want to try to cross our blockade from the persian gulf.
Everybody needs to spend their money, cause if they dont, an EMP will fry all of the ATMs and besides that, the money will soon be found to not have value and then what. So stock up on survival gear, meds and books like foxfire and home remedies dont waste money on electronics like gps or the like because they will be disabled.
Aussie contact me by jke.jr at hotmail dot com
August 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Aussie, here you are mate. Why do you want to carry on all this hatred? I think that enevitably we must get the word out to all the people that they need to buy all of their survival supplies and foxfire books and books on home remedies. cause its breaking loose real quickly.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
The Georgian President just mentioned the “New Order of the World” in an interview with wolf blitzer on CNN…?
August 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Dear Mr. Georgian President, (sic)
Got some breakaway wanna be republics holding you down with 90% of the populace holding passports from your large type superpower like neighbor and they hate your ass???
YOU LET THEM GO, dont look back, territory disputes are resolved and you WALK INTO NATO…
right thru the front door..Now you have some clout even if you are a tiny ass country that nobody gives a damn about.
In your dumbass over educated Harvard business school CIA wisdom you don’t:
1. Send tanks anywhere on the whim that you are actually going to force these same people with large type friends to do something they dont want to do period.
2. Use rocket launchers and cluster bombs on old people….
3. Remotely expect that someone is going to come and help your dumb ass when the large type superpower type neighbor comes in and squashes you like a bug…
You should have called me first. we never talk anymore.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Wow. Alex has done a better job of making you all paranoid than Fox News. What Alex started years back was great. But now he has created a racist hate group (which I am not saying was his intention) that believes every single thing he posts on his website as gospel. Believe me, Alex has an agenda. And what he is doing is thinking for many of you when you should be thinking for yourselves. You know that “war” that is on for your mind? Well 99% of you are losing that battle. Most of you are racists. Plain and simple. At least Alex claims to be a patriot and believes in our constitution. But most of you hate America, hate Israel, hate yourselves, and are quick to jump the gun whenever something is posted. Remember Internet Rule #1: If it is on the internet, it is true (insert sarcastic laugh here). Like someone posted earlier, most Americans are good people who believe in peace and believe in creating a better world for everyone. The point is, we have allowed our government to become too powerful. President Eisenhower warned us years ago to beware of the military/industrial complex. And that is the problem. I used to believe in Alex and his movement. But now his movement resembles something close to a bowel movement. And that is because of the paranoid racists on his sight who I am sure he wants nothing to do with. All of you remember: There are at least 2 sides to EVERY story. Do the knowledge. Do the research. You’ll be amazed at what you can learn when you get information from more than one source.
Positive Energy Always Corrects Errors.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Why Western TVs doesn’t shows any kind images from Tskhinvali where Georgians managed to kill around 2000 people in just one day, leveling the town with artillery and tanks? Since when the Georgian President Saakashvili that stolen the last elections, is now portrayed as a pop star on all Western TVs? Did you all forgot how he put the army to close a private TV station in Georgia or how the local and international observers criticized the major ballot fraud that took place in the last elections?
August 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
D-Town, that’s a bold statement to make considering you don’t even personally know 99% of the people that post on this on site. There are paranoid, sick and racist individuals in all walks of life. Who we are and what we are we will all one day answer for. Just make certain your spirit is right and don’t judge too harshly those you barely know. Remember, when you point a finger of accusation, three are pointing back at you. Seek truth and let that and that alone be its own judgement. Peace.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
By the way, citizens, here’s the latest on the Georgia-Russia conflict from CNN…… The stain is spreading…..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/.....index.html
August 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
These are found at http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Watching and reading U.S. media coverage about the Russian-Georgian conflict is almost comical. U.S. media are just puzzled over Russian arguments about its vital interests in its neighbor to the south. The U.S. of course can go all the way to Iraq and Afghanistan and not feel the need to justify arguments about vital interests thousands of miles away from the homeland. The New York Times said not one word about the Israeli military/intelligence role in Georgia. The New York Times, however, paid tribute to the civilians harmed by Russian bombs. In one day in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gaza more civilians are killed by U.S./Israeli bombs than in the entire Russian-Georgian conflict. The coverage of the New York Times also brings back memories of the Times’ coverage of Israeli war of aggression on Lebanon. And George was the country–emboldened by U.S./Israeli support–that provoked this crisis. Russia should use American arguments in its war on Iraq: Russia should say that it suspected that Georgia was developing WMDs, that Georgia is linked to terrorist groups in Russia, that Georgia has been violating human rights, that Georgia is a threat to peace, and that it is better for Russia to attack Georgia otherwise Georgia would attack Russia. Finally, it can be said that mainstream U.S. media are as loyal to their government as Syrian and Saudi media; they only disagree on details.
Posted by As’ad at 8:17 AM
Don’t you like it when Israel pretends that it is acting humanely? “Israel will continue to sell Georgia defensive arms, but not offensive weapons, defense officials said Tuesday amid reports that Israel decided to halt the sale of military equipment to Georgia because of objections from Russia, Georgia’s bitter rival.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:31 AM
“The former Georgian ambassador to Israel estimates that Israeli real estate, defense, and other investment in Georgia exceeds $1 billion, and that the Russia-Georgia war is putting these investments at risk.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:25 AM
“The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel’s intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This involvement includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army’s infantry forces.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:24 AM
“Israel plans to halt military equipment sales to Georgia because of objections from Russia, Haaretz reported Aug. 5, citing unnamed Israeli defense officials.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:22 AM
Since its founding, has there been a reactionary regime with which Israel was not aligned? From South Africa to Zaire to Morocco to right-wing dictatorships in Latin America, and on and on.
Posted by As’ad at 6:20 AM “”We are interested in a strategic partnership with Israel at the same level as our strategic partnership with the United States,” Foreign Minister Gela Bezhuashvili of Georgia told Haaretz yesterday.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:20 AM
“Israel is seeking to play down its defense exports to Georgia, which is battling Russia in a border war.”
Posted by As’ad at 6:19 AM
August 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
#77 Jimmy in ol’e Me’ico
#Why do you want to carry on all this hatred?#
Jimmy, i haven’t got a hateful bone in my body…i do have a rage that can be quite debilatating at times though!!!
If i send forth a blistering profanity filled attack to a rabid poster…it is only intended as emphasis…it is not personal…even though they come across that way!!!
I haven’t got time for limp wristed, shifty, manipulative word twisters (white man speak with forked tongue…how bloody true is that…and i’m a so called white).
It’s good to hear from you Jimmy…keep safe…”and watch out for them gunpowder laced enchilada’s”
I will get in touch!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
ITS ALL LOGISTICS AND RUSSIA NEEDS A HIGHWAY TO IRAN TO HELP DEFEND THEM AGAINST THE USA AND HER ALLIED BLOCKADE OF THE PERSIAN GULF. JUST WAIT AND SEE. THEY WANT TO BUILD A PIPELINE WHERE THEY CAN PASSS GAS AND OIL TO THE BLACK SEA AND ITS ONLY A FEW HUNDRED MILES THAT THEY NEED. SO THIS IS JUST THE NEXT LEVEL.
ALL OF THIS PROVACATION IS JUST WORKING TOWARD WW3 AND A WAR THAT WILL WIPE OUT 2 BILLION PEOPLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFpSE_pdxM
August 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Aussie, I hope that youll forgive my insults. I know that it is true that we have let these leaders get out of hand, but to regain what we lost is virtually impossable. You are in just as much peril as we are and closer to China. Its unfortunate that we have allowed these people to get to the point that they think that they know what is best for us and our children. Do we not have the right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness? It was all written in the preamble and the declaration of independance. So all this time we were sleeping, they took all those things away, in subtle attachments to bills and legislation. And like lawyers in court they (our elected officials) parade around in acts of theatrics, to deceive the very people that voted them in office. And through aranged agreements and midnight legislation they afford themselves pay raises and exemptions from the laws they pass for the verry people who elected them.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Hello Jimmy In Mexico, Listen my friend the Russians have already got pipelines pumping oil and gas from the Caspian basin. The pipelines are pumping points North west in to Europe and East to China! Gazprom has just offered Ireland a gas deal my friend. IRELAND…. hello!!!!!
The Russians have done more with a fountain pen and contracts than GWB has done with $5 trillion dollars worth of military hardware….. It is all about the Caspian basin reserves??? This is a pipeline too far and The US Government in’t invited!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Additional casualty footage from Armenian ABC Affiliate. Graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....M&NR=1
August 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I ditto what D-town Masher said. Alot of cliche’s on this board. Seriously guys, I know history is just not as fun as a 6-pack and a southern cross rolled cigarette, but you really need it if you are going to know what is coming.
This crappy ass website won’t help you to do that. Captain race-baiting america bashing freakshow has one agenda. And it’s not that he loves you. Grow a pair and study, and review all the information.
This blaming the victim shit is insane. I can’t believe a free speech protected board is being run by commi loving duchebags. If your ass was in Russia, you would be dead. Do you understand this? Not metaphysically dead. You would be bleeding out of your eyesocket, brain on the floor, dead.
OK, I’m done. This is my last post here. Do check out D-town’s post. He’s one of the few people here that seem to have a grasp on reality.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Eurasia.net reported on April 8, 2002. “The most prominent US moves in the Caucasus are the decision to dispatch military advisers to Georgia and a March 29 State Department announcement on the lifting of an arms embargo imposed on Armenia and Azerbaijan.
(Aren’t our American tax dollars preferably spent in this United States to keep us progressing, instead of wasted on so-called ‘Defense’ invested by the biggest terrorists on the face of this earth to keep profiteering on the largest war-making corporations on this earth? American tax dollars stolen to make the bombs, arms, ammo, war planes… and when these are utilized, sold or worn-out for the ill-gotten gains of the murderers, these profits never to be seen by the American tax payers, then their tx dollars are again mis-spent to built even more weaponry and WMD.
Is the above embezzlement of our American tax payers any different than the $9 billion tax dollars gifted Germany every year for lease of their real estate supposedly to protect them from the Russians, then funding the thousands upon thousands of German jobs that provide service and maintain these U.S. outposts, and the thousands upon thousanfds more of U.S. militaries payrolls better spent in this Uniyted States?
Mind you, we have over 700 different U.S. military outposts worldwide! How better to impoverish Americans, and in how many more ways, until we are left under the will of those who disrespect our laws, our people, and our country?
Americans intended to be left helpless, abandoned defenseless under non-laws, and without the means to do anything more about that malicious criminality with intent, enslaved under the yoke of tyranny to be worked to death as beasts of buden to provide and to support for even more retards, loafers and subhumans who don’t have the intelligence, the education or the know-how to pursue a viable way of life, in-country as well as offshore)! -Al Koppel.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Oh of course the US and Israel orchestrated the attacks. The US and Israel orchesrate everything!
9/11 included. America is just a war loving society and Bush will stop at nothing to lower his approval rating. Al-Queda is just the American scape-goat to give an excuse for war. Iraq never had WMD’s even though his officials openenly admitt to having them and taking them to Syria 3 months before America invaded. Russia is a peace loving country that will only defend itself. Honestly you liberals and conspiracy therorists sound so dumb it is pathetic. The war is a simple result of Russia not liking the fact the Georgia wants into NATO and a simply asserting thier dominance. Georgia has the right to reclaim its own territory and Russia has not right to issue citizenships to people in foreign country’s if they want to join Russia then move to Russia. Whoevr wrote this story is a complete idiot.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Unique American perspective from a gentleman caught in the wrong place:
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28788/video
August 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I am VERRRRRY angry at CNN for not reporting the real cause of this conflict!!!!!
Why put the spin on it to make it look like the Russians fired first!
STOP THE LIES AND MISINFORMATION>>>>>
IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE LIES AND LAWYER TYPE TALK!
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH and in GOD’s Name ENOUGH!!!!!!
Everyone needs to take at least a few seconds today and pray to your version of God to end this madness.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
To # 92 thanks for the graphic video. It gave me another perspective of what is happening to people in other parts of the world. We live in a blind state until disaster strikes. Everything is somebody else’s problem until the bomb hits your house and your brother is dead in your arms. That is when the reality hits home. What are you willing to fight for? What are you willing to kill for? Who is going to take responsibility for cleaning up all this blood shed. Deception corruption power and control are just words until human action brings them alive. Both rape and ecstatic love making bring forth an innocent human being. Yet you must love the rape baby equally. The problem in this world if you ask me is Men and the dominus factors. Dominion and the need to dominate are in the animal nature. Yet it fucks things up so much.
The need to suborn the will of all that is beneath you. I truly believe that the only life I can control is my own. I am a single woman and a home and business owner. Everyday I have to fight off men who try to come to my home business and take control. I have had to send phsycic messages to all my male neighbors that I am in domination of my property and that they are not the man of my house! As soon as a man knows that there is no man on my property than they assume dominance over my house. Its just sick. Its too bad that we have to share this beautiful world with bad sick men. Aussie you called that lady a cunt three times in your other post. You my friend came from the cunt along with all your other agressive male counter parts. You men better get some respect for the cunt. I say
“END MALE DOMINATION TODAY”
and world peace will be a much greater reality.
Love to all MCB
August 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Good point #99
August 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The CIA/MOSSAD/USA/Israel are behind the fighting in Georgia/South Ossetia. But, as usual, the evil scheming of the Zionist NeoCons that rule America has backfired, and blown up in their face, just like the unnecessaru war of choice in Iraq. The whole goal of this was oil for Israel.
Putin is no fool like Bush. Maybe the NeoCons will learn that it is unwise to continue to poke the Russian bear in the eye with a stick.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
#99 Nimmo isn’t a Zionist agent just because he isn’t saying Israel is controlling everything.
Also, it is disheartening seeing a huge banner on CNN about John Edwards affair. Ummm, who cares?! This is a freaking war, and they consider that “breaking news”. Even though they are covering the war, it’s sad how gossip is considered breaking news.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
huh?
Of course you hear about dead civilians on the news. They’re talking about it right now. Ossetians talking about Georgians flooding their cellars.
Stop seeing a big evil conspiracy where there is nothing to be found. Its just crying wolf and if such a thing were to happen you wouldnt be took seriously
August 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
what if the agenda all along was to create a new front in washingtons war on terror with russia, now Ukraine is threating to blockade russia ships from re~entering the black sea.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Russia’s Representative to the United Nations: “127 US military advisers said to be working in Georgia”
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http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080810204658.shtml
August 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
How can we sit back and let the U.S. Israel and other countries to intervene into other countries
to supply them with advanced weaponry and cause conflict.
The U.S. and others involved in this will certainly be in a big surprise. Mother Russia is more
powerful than anyone thinks. I am not taking sides here but I am a true patriotic American.
I am a strong believer in the constitution and I do not approve our meddling evil affairs
if true in other countries.
What could happen is like Rome, America will destroy itself from within. If we do not
prosecute and hold special military trials against those involved in these conflicts we
will suffer dearly as we are now. Hypersonic jets and other naval high tech weaponary
from China and Russia make no mistake about this they will kick our *ss so bad we
wont know what hit us.
I am not part of their agenda as an American. I despise them who are inflaming
the situation. Military tribunals need to be taken to task and convict anyone
involved. That unfortunately means some U.S. officials who are involved and as
well others for their economic and personal gain.
God help US and those in other countries suffering now.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Mine is not precisely a comment on the subject above but merely musings over a traumatised world. If it is vague then it is meant to be so.
I believe we are caught in what I call “cognitive turbulence” where all sides are vying for airspace to insinuate their version of reality on the rest of us. Thus on one hand you have the “others” who have laboured for millennia to set us on the “Right Path”, and on the other you have the “Masters of the Universe” who have sought to own and control everything. When I looked at the world through my heavily tinted glasses, all I saw was what the establishment wanted me to see. Alas, the puppet master and the lowly, more visible minions who drive official policy and public opinion have claimed premature victory where none shall come. Yes, they control money, weaponry, dissemination of information, the media and will try to impose martial law, increase control via the premise of fighting terrorism or securing energy rights, but the ending has already been decided, they lose! Now with my glasses on the table and my sight fixed firmly on the horizon, I see fear, panic and the rush & grab for all that is still in the hands of the masses. Even though some may die before the change, and some may even see worse things before the sun sets on our self declared empirical masters, surely they should know enough to recognise the last kicks of a dying horse, their horse. The earth will not suffer a “New world order” in as much as it conflicts with the “Great Game” born long before their time. There is much more afoot on earth than we dare admit to, report on or speak publicly about. Suffice to say, we are in for a bumpy ride. Don’t believe everything you read, hear, see or even feel about anything. There is a great lie even the wise or the religious know not of and the consequences of our actions will follow us beyond the grave, be warned!
August 10th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
hey Bitch! I mean Butch.
Run your comments through a grammar checker before criticizing others for their “BAD ENGLISH”.
(The term is poor English by the way).
Is overuse of the comma intentional sarcasm on your part? Or, were you just guessing?
Please go to another site where your language elitism and snobbery is appreciated. Valid points and opinions are being expressed about a serious topic here. Your grammar correctness policing while at the same time making errors yourself is totally idiotic.
You’ve made it impossible to take you seriously dude.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Vice President Dick Cheney says Russian aggression in Georgia “must not go unanswered.”
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http://ap.google.com/article/A.....wD92FOJAG0
August 10th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Neocon JEWS in our Government orchestrated the 9-11 demolitions so we would go overseas and murder Muslims on behalf of Israel.
So few have eyes to see and even less have hearts and gonads to speak out.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
The Jewish False Messiah aka ANTICHRIST will soon rule from Israel.
He will be the most EVIL leader in the history of mankind and the Zionists will hand over all the resources to him to control.
The Antichrist pawns are using our MILITARY to achieve their resource consolidation.
All those who support Israel support the ANTICHRIST and his SYSTEM OF EVIL.
Choose your side !
August 10th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
choose your side?!
OK Bush.
I don’t like Israel and never have but to act as if Israel controls the world is just moronic. It’s the bildberberg group that controls things not that pathetic excuse-of-a-legitimate-nation Israel.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
God has cursed the Jews for their rebellion and their constant HATE for the Truth. They killed so many Prophets of God that is why they were booted out of the Holy Land.
God then replaced the descendants of the children of Isaac (Jews) with the children of Ishmael (Muslims).
God will one day assemble ALL these rebellious trouble makers into one small area to receive their final retribution.
All those who support them will also be cursed.
Up until the Holocaust this was taught by ALL Churches. After the holocaust they infiltrated and “judaisized” all churches to propagate a new theology in preparation for the Jewish Antichrist Leader.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Bitch,
Just because Mommy doesn’t pay enough attention to you doesn’t make me what you put between your legs every day (i.e. a douche bag. Two words not one loser).
Go take your ritalin or crack or whatever you use to make the voices in your head stop and chill out dude. Your reaction to my comments show for everyone on this message board what an intelligent and civilized person you are.
My point (since you obviously missed it) was your criticism of AJ for the use of the word ‘provocateur’ would be more effective if you actually applied proper grammar yourself. It’s simple irony (which might be too difficult for me to make you understand so I won’t bother trying).
And, I’m just as pissed about you at the decline in America’s standing in the world and the problems we face at home. However, I’m not a naive, ignorant fool to think we are not at least a little bit responsible for our own troubles.
A little self honesty is healthy for the individual as well as the nation.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Filed at 10pm EST
Cheney Threatens Russia Over Georgia
“In a phone conversation with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday, Cheney said Russia’s military actions in Georgia ‘must not go unanswered’”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a.....id=3510203
August 10th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
well it looks like the boys and girls plan NEO-COMS FOR THE( NWO ) HAVE STARTED THEIR WAR ON IRAN, WHY DO I WRITE THIS? LOOK AT A MAP OF THE MID-EAST GEORGIA IS THE PERFECT BASE ,EXCEPT THAT OSSTIA WAS TO CLOSE FOR ANY OPERATIONS TO BE STAGED SO GET RID OF THE PROBLEM (ASAP) EXCEPT RUSSIA HAS PUT THAT IN CHECKMATE AND GUESS WHAT THE RUSSIAN WILL SOON EAT UP GEORGIA AND ALL THAT STARTED THOSE PROBLEMS, THIS IS THE FINAL PROOF THAT THE POWER IN THIS FORMER REPUBLIC THE U.S.A. HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE WORLD ZIONIST MOVEMENT , WHY? WELL LOOK AT EVERYTHING WE THE POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY ARE NOW UNDER A POLICE STATE AND THAT IS FACT WEATHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT IT HAS NOT BEEN FORMED TO PROTECT US BUT TO MAKE US GOOD LITTLE GOYIM(CATTLE) SLAVES , AND GUESS WHAT THESE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE GOVERNMENT DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF WE LIVE OR DIE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER LOOK AT ALL THE TRUTH WE ALL HAVE BEEN BETRAYED WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE JOBLESS( NAFTA) BANKRUPT WHY? BECASE ISREALI LOBBIST AND THEIR BACKERS ROTHCHILDS AND ROCKFELLERS PLANNED THIS TO STEAL ALL THE ECONOMIES OF THE WORLD SO OUR JEWISH ZIONIST MASTERS COULD CONTROL THE WORLD , BUT AS ALL GREAT PLANS IT ISNT GOING TO FLY AND IN THE INTERM EVERYONE EVEN THEM IS GOING DOWN FOR WHEN THE ONE WRONG BUTTON IS PUSHED AND EVERYTHING IS GONE RECORDS , MONEY , DEBTS AND CARS, CITIES THE ONLY THING THAT WILL BE LEFT IS THE RUINS OF THE WORLDS PEOPLES AND THAT WILL BE SO SMALL THAT MANKIND WILL BE NO MORE BECAUSE THE DNA BASE WILL BE SO SMALL THAT IT WILL MUTATE TO A SUBHUMAN LEVEL. I ONLY STATE THAT I WISH TO THANK ALL THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE ( THE BUSH GANG AND CHENEY MOB, OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN POWER FOR KILLING US ALL OFF OH YES WHEN WE DIE THEIR POWER WILL DIE WITH US THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS, INVASION OF WHATS LEFT OF THIS COUNTRY GOD IT SOUNDS LIKE A FRANKSTIEN MOVIE , BUT THAT IS WHAT I THINK IT IS A GUESS BUT WHAT CAN I THINK WHEN I SEE THESE (EDUCATED) MORONS THAT SEEM TO CARE LESS ABOUT THE WHOLE WORLD THAN THEIR OWN GREED IT PUTS EVERYONE IN A STATE OF ANGER AGAINST THE VERY PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OUR LEADERS IN THE WORLD OF MAKING PEACE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES IT IS A SAD TRUTH , WE ARE BETRAYED FROM WITHIN A THIS AND PAST ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN RIGGED BY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN POWER FOR THE LAST 20YRS ALL THE SMILELY PEOPLE AND WHEN THEY DO WRONG THEY SAY OH I AM SORRY , BUT GO TO PRISON NO WAY FOR THEY ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE , ABOVE THE LAW AND ALL MIGHTY IN THEIR POWER OVER THIS WORLD THEY THINK! SO WHAT ARE WE ARE WE LEFT TO BELIEVE IN? CHAOS? BECAUSE THAT IS THE MESS THIS WORLD NOW FACES, AND THAT IS EVIL.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Dear Butch,
Congrats on recognizing the difference between a noun and a verb. I never said you were wrong about that. (Collect your cookie on the way out).
My point in all of this is that it seems like the world is going to hell because of a few greedy, psychotic narcissists who we elected and for whom we work for. Kurt and Alex are trying. They are a product of the watered down educational system in this country. You can fault them for incorrect grammar but you certainly can’t fault them for attempting to shed light on the evil that is attempting to control us.
I see spelling and grammar mistakes all the time all over the web and television. I could be a grammar crusader like you and spend my time grading and correcting or just realize that mistakes happen and that I understand their point and that’s what matters.
It’s the message that matters and not the delivery.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Can we get some kind of character limit so that when those of us that want to discuss and anything can do so with pages and pages of being told repent and sit on our hands?
I dont know if its nuttballs , or intended by pros (and im a beleiver)
we dont need 75 bible quotes for each daily politcal event.
Thats’s not too say that normal sensible suggestions about it arent ok, its when they have spam the entire page with it in caps that one time Noah farted and thats why the price of cheese is dropping.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
remember a few years ago when Putin busted the billionaire oil men trying to take over the Russian government? soon as they were busted they turned all their money back over to Lord Rothschild. well, The Lord wants total control of Russia. the U.K., the U.S. and, of course Israel are all faithful slaves of The Lord.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:49 am
@Butch,
Back to being the Bitch again huh?
You are truly a rambling intellectual neophyte. Let’s move past the ‘provocateur’ issue you seem to have a hard on for. I feel like I’m on a episode of punk’d with the punchline being I’m arguing a stupid point with a complete moron who doesn’t get it. Ha Ha…jokes on me.
You recognized a minor grammatical error…get over it. In depth commentary and analysis on the subject is not necessary.
Allow me to let you in on something that is obviously oblivious to you…Nobody is as impressed with you as you are with yourself. You’ve shown yourself to be a vulgar, immature know nothing who is in desperate need of psychotherapy to cure feelings of inferiority and depression.
The world is in peril and we really don’t care about you or your problems.
Why don’t you try being constructive and offer value with your comments?
Sadly, that’s probably too much to ask.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:16 am
American citizens have better pay close attention to this type of use of force on demonstrators , because this is what they are starting to use on their citizens.
Bush and Cheney criminal and corrupted action are world wide now…
August 11th, 2008 at 1:18 am
I get a chuckle out of all the errors people make in posting. Posting is an imperfect science. People all over the world are posting here and some are really in a struggle to say what they want to express. Grammar does not matter on these pages. Spell check is right there and so many dont use it. So what Grammar does not matter. Aloha MCB
August 11th, 2008 at 1:49 am
This is to whoever put the article together.
The picture showing the three guys in black cotton beanies is a image of China’s PLA Special Forces taken somewhere around 2003-2004.
It’s not an image of Blackwater Mercenaires nor troops o Ukraine, the United States, Georgia and Azerbaijan.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:12 am
Yes we in America are responsible for what is happening in Russia and the Russian Bear will not be forgetting it any time soon!! This will add to the Russian bears paranoia and we will eventually have to fight her along with her Chinese cousin!! And this will be the first time that we will be having war on our own American shores!! Oh well; lets get our weapons of war ready to fight them instead of fighting our government that is extremely evil and corrupt and ruled by the antichrist new world order!! For if we indeed fight our government; that will give the Russians and the Chinese a great opportunity to attack us while we are overthrowing our government and this would be worst than the war with our evil luciferic government!! Thats why I don’t want a revolution because things have changed in the last 250 years!! For the Russians hated Americans for 2 reasons!! One is that we have allowed our international bankers to rule us and them!! And they hate our freedom that we have possessed until recently!! Now we are no longer and free nation and they are waiting for us to have a revolution so they can step in and attack us and the antichrist European Union of the International Bankers that rule them and the Chinese!! AS the European International Banksters have made the Chinese very rich and wealthy like they did the Japanese in the 1980’s!! Why!? Because they want to use the Chinese as their population control genocidal army!!
August 11th, 2008 at 4:38 am
Why am I even posting? Everyone has something in common, assholes. You’re so enraged and passionate about the way you feel about these things, you know more than the other guy, you’re a historical genius, but we all obviously have the means and ways to publish our thoughts and beliefs to other people. Then we go to bed, wake up the next day and give our thoughts on the next big issue. Get off your computers and go do something about it. Stop hiding behind your PC and go make a difference if you feel that way about an issue. If you can’t do that, kindly tuck your tail between your legs and fuck yourself. What does it solve if all these groups you claim do this and that if you stand by and do nothing but rant on and rave about your fuckin ideals? All of you are pure fucking genius.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Conjunction of mercury, venus, mars, sun and moon, in the constellation of the Virgin(Isis) on the 1st of sept.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:42 am
Jesus H Christ…the IQ of some of these posters certainly leaves a lot to be desired!!!
Iv’e heard more coherent ramblings from pre-schoolers on red cordial!!!
Fucka’s!
August 11th, 2008 at 6:37 am
russia and the us will never fight eachother.. this is all about command and conquer..
usa takes some now russia saw its possibility..who is the good guy between these 2? none..
August 11th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Vladimir Putin is criticizing the United States for airlifting Georgian troops from Iraq.
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http://ap.google.com/article/A.....QD92G2MA00
August 11th, 2008 at 8:39 am
@ h4ckr0, I would not be so sure. We have by proxy now, 3, 4 times? Korea/Nam/Afghanistan? There’s only one logical next step. It reminds me honestly of a heavyweight title fight. Like when hollyfield retired, i.e. russia after the cold war, Tyson aka america acted retarded, then hollyfield came back. Seemingly as , if not more, powerfull then ever, but really he couldn’t do alot. It took almost a decade, a eternity in boxing, before they fought. And look what happened, America got DQ’d n Russia got it’s ear bit off. Georgia kinda looks like a ear. It too will prolly be too damaged to reattach pretty soon.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:02 am
please excuse any mistakes in grammar, spell checked is not working. Number One! God bless you folks for taking time to have an opinion. Read —-> RESOURCE WARS Seems this book predicted such events that are now unfolding. The Pedants and would be human spell checks in this room should ease off… I enjoy reading your opinions but not your caustic attacks on others. happy days are here again
August 11th, 2008 at 9:17 am
we live in an age where each country will do what is in its’ best interest. the new univerisal currency is energy and control of these resources. it is going to be very tough from here on out as the neocons @ zionist lust for control over resources they deem vital to their existence. any country which nationalizes the resources which they bought with fiat currency will be demonized as non-democratic, repressive and a haven for terrorist. the wars are going to be fought over fishing rights, minerals, water, oil, phosphates… I do believe in Christ, Buddha and other enlightened souls to pass our way..it is time to take refuge in whatever spiritual path you choose and i wish everyone posting in this room the very best of luck for what we face.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:19 am
we live in an age where each country will do what is in its’ best interest. the new univerisal currency is energy and control of these resources. it is going to be very tough from here on out as the neocons @ zionist lust for control over resources they deem vital to their existence. any country which nationalizes the resources which they bought with fiat currency will be demonized as non-democratic, repressive and a haven for terrorist. the wars are going to be fought over fishing rights, minerals, water, oil, phosphates… I do believe in Christ, Buddha and other enlightened souls to pass our way..it is time to take refuge in whatever spiritual path you choose and i wish everyone posting in this room the very best of luck for what we face. Happy days are here again
August 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Henry Ford said in 1921…
“It is in the study of Jewish money-making out of war that the clues are found to most of the great abuses of which the Jews have been guilty. Wars are the Jews’ harvests,” is an ancient saying. Their predilection for the quartermaster’s department has been observed anciently and modernly. Their interest being mostly in profits and not in national issues; their traditional loyalty being to the Jewish nation, rather than to any other nation; it is natural that they should be found to be the merchants of goods and information in times of war – that is, the war profiteers and spies….. The indication that they are highly satisfied is that they are not only not doing anything to relieve the world situation, but are apparently willing to have it made worse.”
August 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
To really start to get an understanding of this, “Google” Davit Kezerashvili, the Georgian Minister of Defense. Find out his background…..then, you will understand. Just the Facts.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Farm Living Is The Life For Me, you did fine! They are mad because you are criticizing the Bush administration and you committed the worst crime of all, you mentioned Zionism in less than glowing terms. We both know, they are the hidden hand that controls this government. If anyone doubts that, all they have to do is research the U.S.S. Liberty. Thirty Four dead Americans and over one hundred wounded and our government and the news media is still trying to tell us it was just a terrible accident. The survivors tell a different story. The 9/11 attack, is another pack of lies. The Oklahoma City Bombing, more lies. Robert Kennedy’s assassination, more lies. Martin Luther King’s assassination, more lies. The Gulf Of Tonkin incident, more lies. President Kennedy’s assassination more lies. I almost forgot. The teenage Kuwaiti girl that stood before Congress and tearfully told how she had witnessed Iraqi troops take Kuwaiti babies from incubators and throw them on the floor. That turned out to be lies also. She was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States. That lie was used to play on America’s emotions and get us into the first war in the Gulf. It worked pretty well, too. George Bush Jr. is following in his grandfather’s footsteps. He tried to overthrow the U.S. government in 1933 and install a Fascist Right Wing government. Luckily a General they tried to recruit, exposed them. It doesn’t look like we will be so lucky, this time. Lets hope there are some real patriots left in our military.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Yes I see the hand of our boys in the CIA Behind this BS, Its about Oil and power but isn’t it funny that the boys in the KLA Who also work for bin laden and bush keep coming into the picture?
But also understand this maybe the start of the third world war that is the end game of our boys in the one world camp really want.
August 14th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Do you ever tune to Fox news? I am a channel bouncer and try to get at least most of the views. I turned to fox new twice during an hour and both times they were talking about this conflict… I agree that some of their shows are biased but I find that most try to present an opposing side ( like in Hannety and Colmes )and in Fox and Friends no side at all. I have found msnbc to be one of the most one sided networks with CNN close behind.
As for the conflict Russia has been flexing its arms for a while now and with Putin giving the chairman of the government of the Russian Federation so much power right at the end of his Presidency he set up Russia to stay under his power when Medvedev took over Presidency and named Putin as the chairman of the government of the Russian Federation. Basicly keeping his previous amount of power but with a new figurehead to show to people and say see we are different.
I really dont think that America had anything to do with this conflict. We are not the only people in the world who start wars. If you think that Russia won’t start a war on its own check your history. If your so anti-American be thankful that you can voice it \ unlike other places where they rule the news outlets with massive force. Not allowing the news there to say anything negitive against their government.
I hope you all have a good weekend and please don’t dismiss an idea from somebody just because of their political siding. Keep an open mind. O and Frank Kuwait was invaded and asked for help from the international community. Iraq ran them over in just a few days and took control. Iraq’s reason for invading was 2 parts. 1st they owed 40 billion to Kuwait and Kuwait wanted payed and refused to drop the debt. 2nd was Iraq said that Kuwait was crossdrilling into their wells which turned out to be false. On your other topics I am not sure about but I am willing to look some of it up.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND!!!!!
August 14th, 2008 at 11:09 am
How about it’s all to do with George and his mates at the white house trying to avoid leaving the oval office at the end of his term lest they face retribution/prosecution for dragging the world into a bogus war and oooops 911. Why else are they buying up so much land in south American countries with no extradition treaties? The idea was to use terrorism or Iran or Bird flu, failing which a complete revival of the cold war turned hot, as a means to impose martial law on the US and be president for life! Then you are really fucked! And so are we coz they don’t work alone.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Thats retarded… it wold never happen the people would not let it…. nor would the dem. congress… or 99 % of the republicans in power… I know your free to have your ideas but that one would never happen.
August 15th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Must be why they never invaded Iraq based on fiction, Guantanamo Bay is the pinnacle of law enforcement and the only country to have used the A bomb was not America and it was not done when Japan had already, by all practical means, lost the war! All hail your congress!
August 16th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
It’s a shame we can’t get real news in Amerika anymore. The bold lies coming from the TV are so bad I just leave it off anymore. Better to sit in silence than to hear Faux News.
Skip
August 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am
This is a biased opinion piece, talk about the pointing the finger with three pointed back. The U.S.A did not start the war with Georgia, Russia did…it was Russia who went in there full force and it is Russia who continues to occupy it. I could go into so much more detail and maybe I will at a later date but for now get your facts straight.
September 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
The first reports I saw, as it was happening, on BBC World News, was the relentless bombardment of South Ossetia by Georgian forces, which looked remarkably similar to the USA’s bombardment of Bagdhad when they did the same thing there as an opening to the carnage we have all been distant witness to since. It wasn’t until later, after the Georgian forces had targeted residential areas, hospitals and the University and killed thousands of civilians that Russian forces started moving in response.
Also, I have read a number of reports that around 2000 US & Israeli Special Forces were there, in a “training capacity”, long before all this kicked off. No real surprise then in the similarity mentioned above. Then I read here http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....9572145087 that those nice people in Israel don’t want to take sides on the issue.
As much as we shout about the obvious, we’re not going to change the fact that war is getting rapidly closer and few people in the world will remain untouched by it. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Dear Kurt Nimmo/Dear Alex Jones:
I think you will be interested to learn a little more about the history of relations between the peoples and ethnic groups in this conflict region. If you think that this is unimportant, you may ignore this message, I wouldn’t mind.
First, let’s explode the myth disseminated by Russian government and media that “back in the mid-18th century, in 1745-1747, Ossetia was the first to become part of the Russian Empire. At that time, it was a united entity; North and South Ossetia were one state”.
Let me assure you – Tskhinvali (capital city of so called South Ossetia) was annexed to Imperial Russia with the rest of eastern Georgia (Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti) in 1801. The so-called South Osetia is not a native land of Osetians. It has never been part of “United Ossetia”. Georgians always lived there and ruled the region even 2000 years before the Ossetians arrival in the 14th-17th centuries as well as after newcomers settled to central Georgia. The so called South Ossetia, which is one and a half times the area of Luxembourg broke away from Georgia in the 1991–1992 war.
Having created, funded and fully backed the South Ossetian separatist movement since the Soviet crack-up, in late July the Kremlin ordered its own puppet regime of Kokoiti to provoke the Georgians. In the week prior to the Russian invasion, South Ossetians, aided by Russian “peacekeepers,” had shelled and raided Georgian villages beyond South Ossetia. President, Mikheil Saakashvili, took the bait and walked into Moscow’s trap—he ordered Georgian forces to go in and clean out the areas where the “South Ossetian” militias were operating.
Georgia remembers Soviet invasion and occupation in 1921 and the reason stated by Bolshevik Russia – Protection of local Communists. Today, Russians are protecting ethnic Osetian “Russian Citizens” in historic region of the central Georgia. We also remember early 1990’s when invaded two Georgian provinces and was bombing Georgia from sky and black see, enforced 450.000 people (80% of total population – mostly ethnic Georgian refugees) to leave their homes. In addition, at inactivity of the Russian “peacemakers” in Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region were killed more than 2000 civilians of the Georgian nationality in 1994-2007.
Russia has a history of causing problems in the “near abroad” , around the “whole perimeter” and then coming to “fix” the problem. Place name (toponym) “South Ossetia” for the first time has been used by Russian military, and then civil authorities in the beginning of XIX century. This term had collective character and meant historic-geographical areas of former Georgian Kingdom of Kartli where mainly lived the Ossetian population migrated from the North Caucasus.
Generally speaking, Georgians and Ossetians have been living in peace with each other except for the episodes in 1918–1920 and 1991-2008. Both ethnicities have had a high level of interaction and a high rate of intermarriages. The Osetians are originally descendants of the Alans. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian and Byzantine influences. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their homeland south in present-day Republic of Alania (north Caucasus) under Russian rule from 1767. Another part of Osetians migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia in the central region of Georgia – Tskhinvali, Shida Kartli – Under rule of the eastern Georgian Royal Dynasty (abolished by Russians in 1801). Little part of Osetians also moved to in Western Georgian Kingdom – Imereti, and principality of Racha ruled by another branch of Bagrationi Dynasty.
Transformation of the term “South Ossetia” in a designation of administrative-territorial formation with certain administrative borders begins since 1922. Following the Soviet occupation of Georgia (1921) “Osetia” was ARTIFICIALLY created by Bolsheviks in Georgia and areas with not only Osetian villages, but with mainly Georgian population (eastern Racha & Imeretia and mostly central Kartli) also have been included. In addition, old Georgian town Tskhinvali become a capital city of artificial “Osetia” (please note: by 1910 ONLY 10% Osetians lived in Tskhinvali). Subsequently, the town became largely Ossetian due to intense urbanization and Soviet Korenizatsiya (”nativization”) policy which induced an inflow of the Ossetians into Tskhinvali. Today, there is an obvious manifold instrumentalization of the local minorities by Russia for the purpose of destroying the Georgian state.
By the early 18th century, Tskhinvali was a small Georgian “royal town” populated chiefly by monastic serfs of the Georgian orthodox church and serfs of local Georgian aristocrats (such as Prince Matchabeli family, etc.) Tskhinvali was first chronicled by Georgian sources in 1398 as a village in Kartli (central Georgia) though a later account credits the 3rd century AD Georgian king Asphagur of Iberia (eastern Georgia) with its foundation as a fortress. The city contains several monuments of medieval Georgian architecture, with the Kavti Church of St. George being the oldest one dating back to the 8th-10th centuries, as well as Soviet time buildings and the old Jewish Quarter (Jewish lived peacefully in Georgia more than 24 centuries).
Located on a trade route which linked North Caucasus to Tbilisi and Gori, Tskhinvali gradually developed into a commercial town with a mixed Jewish, Georgian, Armenian and Ossetian population. In the 1910s, its censused population was 5,033 with 42.3% Jews, 33% Georgians, 13.4% Armenians and ONLY 11% Ossetians.
The lessons of the past have demonstrated that shortsightedness, adventurism and extremism in politics invariably lead to a tragedy that makes hundreds and thousands of innocent people suffer.
Georgian public opinion very often is diverse, on this particular situation everyone, including the people, church, opposition and the authorities, are united and have one opinion: Georgia has been and should remain a unified state.
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P.S.
One of the first things Mr. Vladimer Putin told to CNN is that Georgia, Abkhazia and the “United” Ossetia “each in its own time, voluntarily integrated into the Russian Empire”.
Now, let’s explode the myth disseminated by Mr. Putin about “voluntarily integration into the Russian Empire” of the eastern Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti and western Georgian Principality of Abkhazia.
In 1783 HRM Erekle II (Heraclius II) Bagrationi, king of Kartli-Kakheti (Eastern Georgian Kingdom) signed the Treaty of Georgievsk with Russia, according to which his kingdom (including Georgian little town Tskhinvali) was to receive Russian protection. But in 1795, Russians withdrew their troops from the region, leaving Erekle’s kingdom unprotected. The Persian shah, Agha Mohammed Khan, invaded the country and burnt the capital, Tbilisi, to the ground. After Erekle’s and George XII’s death, Tsar Paul I of Russia signed a decree on the incorporation of Eastern Georgia (Kartli-Kakheti) within the Russian Empire, which was confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on September 12, 1801.
Georgian nobility did not accept the decree until April 1802 when Russian General Knorring held the nobility in Tbilisi’s Sioni Cathedral and forced them to take an oath on the imperial crown of Russia. Those who disagreed were arrested. Newly established Russian administration started deporting the members of 1300 year old Georgian Royal Dynasty Bagrationi to Russia.
On April 22, 1803, the Russian soldiers arrived at Georgian Queen’s mansion and General Lazarev ordered Mariam (Maria, the Last Queen of Eastern Georgia) to get up and be ready for departure, but the queen refused to follow him. The general then took hold of her foot, to make her rise from the cushion on which she was sitting, surrounded by her sleeping children. Mariam, indignant at the attempt to take her by force, drew the dagger from beneath the cushion and stabbed Lazarev, killing him on the spot. Lazarev’s interpreter drew his saber, and gave her a wound in the head, so that she fell down insensible. The soldiers burst into the bedroom and arrested the queen and her children.
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After annexation of eastern Georgian Kingdom, the situation in western Georgian Kingdom of Imereti become precarious. HRM King Solomon II Bagrationis vassals assumed the Russian “protection” and put forward territorial claims to the royal domains. Solomon II was persuaded to conclude the Convention of Elaznauri with Russia, similar to the terms of the Threaty of Georgievsk. Yet the Russian forces dethroned Solomon on February 20, 1810. Defeated in a subsequent rebellion to regain the power, Solomon II fled to the Ottoman possessions in Trabzond where he died in 1815. The body of the last Georgian king was moved from Trabizond, Turkey to Tbilisi and buried in Gelati Monastery, Western Georgia in 1990.
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According to Mr. Putin in 1812, Abkhazia also voluntarily integrated into the the Russian Empire and “until that time, it had remained an independent state, an independent principality”. But he forgot to say that “independent” western GEORGIAN principality of Abkhazia was finally abolished by Russians in November 1864, when the rule of the old Georgian noble family Shervashidze came to an end; The last sovereign prince of Abkhazia, His Highness Prince Michael Shervashidze was forced by Russians to renounce his rights and resettle from Sukhumi, Abkhazia to Voronezh, Russia. Let me note, that the first representative of the Sharvashidze (Chachba-Sharashia) dynasty assumed the princely powers under the authority of the Georgian kings Bagrationi circa 1325.
In July 1866 rebels proclaimed the late Michael Shervashidze’s son George as prince and marched on Sukhumi. Only the strong Russian reinforcements led by General D. Sviatopolk-Mirski were able to suppress the revolt in Abkhazia by the same August.