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Ed and Elaine Brown Convicted in Plot to Defend Themselves
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July 9, 2009
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Both face mandatory minimum 30-year prison sentences on that charge alone, amounting to a virtual death sentence for the Browns, who are in their 60s.
Ed Brown testified during the trial that the weapons in his home were for self-defense. Brown said he believed the government planned to kill him, a not unrealistic assumption considering government action against the Randy Weaver family at Ruby Ridge, the residents of Mount Carmel outside of Waco, Texas, and countless other people who have resisted the government.
“By rejecting the rule of the law and substituting a personal code involving weapons, explosives and threats, the defendants committed increasingly serious crimes,” acting U.S. Attorney Michael Gunnison said. “Their conduct has no place in a civil society.”
In other words, resisting a criminal tax confiscation system and responding to threats by heavily armed federal agents has no place in a “civil society.”
The Browns are scheduled to be sentenced to death on September 3.
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July 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Eventually there is gonna have to be a group formed to free herd members from prison (camps), one way or another.
Mr.T Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I really doubt it… together we could have gotten funds together for a “Dreamteam” lawyer crew to fight off these snakes and prevented them from being persecuted, but yet no one does anything.
So to say “a group formed” is doubtful, unless you do it yourself. Thats OUR problem… everyone wants to save us all from tyranny, but no one wants to act on it!
Venus Project is a science fiction elitist cult Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
A civil society contains only the elite bloodlines and the machines to serve them.
A couple in their sixties defending themselves is very uncivil. Looks like they will have to be re-educated by Jacque Fresco.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
yup. well said.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
By the way, “Plotting to kill Federal Agents” is an inDEFENSIBLE charge.
To “plot to kill” someone, you must stalk that someone. Seek them out. Contrive a scenario in which their killing may be carried out.
On the contrary:
I will kill ANYONE who forces entry into my domicile.
So what am I “plotting?”
Corporate Death Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
The Brown’s should have got out of Dodge.
Duddley do right always gets his man.
Red Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Well said!
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
By the way, “Plotting to kill Federal Agents” is an inDEFENSIBLE charge.
To “plot to kill” someone, you must stalk that someone. Seek them out. Contrive a scenario in which their killing may be carried out.
On the contrary:
I will kill ANYONE who forces entry into my domicile.
So what am I “plotting?”
Tim Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
9/11 Cover Is Blown – British and Saudi Intelligence are Culprits
It gets better – Bush helped coverup
Intelligence Report here:
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/10997
bob b Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
We are dry timber, it only takes a spark and everything is ablaze.
I don’t give a fuck what authority you think your from…If your life is in jepardy you have the right to live…no matter what.
God is the only one that can punch my ticket.
These fuckers are going to realize, with horror, that one day the “civilians” started to shoot back.
US Gov including Military does not have anywhere near 330,000,000 bullets Plus it takes’em 200rounds to hit anything anyway…
Bring on the bio-weapons pussys!
Teri Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:16 am
with robots and new technalagy they sure do.
voiceofreason Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am
They shoulda gone out firing, ala Butch and Sundance. At least they would have died with some dignity instead of becoming a federal number.
kp Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Inspiring comment in a string of sappy people who just want to give up and feel sorry for themselves, that they are in this world gov. situation. Have some mental strength people!
Jason Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Do you have children? If you do, I know you love them as I love my children. I want to see them grow up. However, I do not want to see them grow up with an increasingly, tyrannical situation; with them enslaved or worse. If we’re going to do this, let’s do it real soon or else the mechanisms will be in place to make it extremely hard to stand up against the tyrants. SET IT OFF, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD BLESS ED AND ELAINE BROWN Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
God have mercy on his slaves Ed and Elaine Brown, accept their sacrifice
All praise is due to Allah
Death to the fascist monetary system, it is satanic, its against the beliefs of Christians and Muslims (if you actually read the scriptures) and any sane human beings
the monetary system is satanic – the IRS are minions of the devil
long live the revolution, victory is with the believers, and those who follow satan will burn in HELL… wouldn’t trade the world for that fate
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AowkjvmrEAo I’ve heard alot through the years but when I watched several sermons,I was stunned at the truth he speaks that the media is hush hush over.
H1tch Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
This story should be on the front page.Tell everyone you know about this story
Please Father protect Ed an Elaine from the wicked one..thankyou
LLTK
a voice Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
One day you will stand before the GOD of the Bible who will tell you to depart from him because he never knew you. You will then go to hell where you will spend eternity thinking about this post. My GOD died for me, what did allah ever DO for you!?
a voice Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
allah couldn’t save a dead horse
dru Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:09 am
heh..
Allah = God
Jesus = a Prophet
Jesus ascended, he didn’t die. That was created as a alteration to Christianity in order to force people to submit to Roman will.
GOD BLESS ED AND ELAINE BROWN Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:23 am
a voice: i think you need to do some research on bible and quran history
look at the formation of the present christian sects and their evolution over time
as dru rightfully pointed out, “Jesus ascended, he didn’t die. That was created as a alteration to Christianity in order to force people to submit to Roman will.”
modern Christianity, which almost all exclusively derives from ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AKA State Church of the Paganous Romans, is not what Jesus (peace be upon him) preached
he came with the same message as all the other prophets of God – in fact its even in the Gospel…. if you would just read it…. he says the most important commandment is to believe in one God, just like the 10 commandments tell you
he didn’t say he was God or to worship him, that was introduced by satanic romans along with praying to saints, praying to Mary (may Allah reward her), and all the other paganous things like statues, idols, etc
…and about the term Allah – it means God, in arabic and aramaic – the language Isa (Jesus) spoke, so he would have used that term
… knowledge is power …. PRAISE GOD
JM Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Who is this Allah?
Rick Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:34 am
It’s horrible to feel so helpless to help these people. Words fail me.
shannon fleming Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:10 am
hey now little sheep. romans 13. kiss that boot slave. NO BACK OFF JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE LEFT THEIR JOB OR HOME RIGHT NOW AND DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT? OOH OOH I KNOW. ITS JUST A DREAM OF MINE. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. WERE WEAKER THAN THE IRANIANS APPARENTLY. THEY HAVE A MUCH QUICKER REACTION TIME THAN WE. EVEN IF OR WHEN THEY NUKE, BIO, OR CHEM US WE WANT MOVE. THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS. WE ARE TO ENTERTAINED AND DRUGED UP. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH REASON TO REVOLT. BUT WE ARE WEAK. JUST CONTINUE TO SIT THERE IN FRONT OF YOUR PC’S AND LAPTOPS WHILE THE FOG THICKENS. DOING NOTHING BUT RUN YOUR USELESS MOUTH’S. FOUL AND PUTRED DRIBBLE. YOU CUT DOWN YOUR NEIGBORS INSTEAD OF BUILDING THEM UP. YOUR FIRST REACTION IS ALWAYS A TRASHY ATTEMPT TO RIDICULE AND MAKE YOURSELVES TO FEEL INFERIOR. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THIS. OH WELL. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. COWARDS!!!! MAY THE ALMIGHTY HAVE MERCY ON US. WERE ALL SCUM
Understanding Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Please. those of you who are bashing the Muslims. Now is no time to be bashing the Muslims. What’s happening to the Browns has nothing to do with Islam.
Look at the big picture
Captain Kirk Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
JASON – I have two kids, I’m a healthy 46 year old who works hard and I think “dito to your post.
The revolution needs to begin NOW!!!
MADD HATTER Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Who is Jacque Fresco ?
jeff Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Allah is the crescent moon, go to you tube and watch this excellent speaker speak on this false god allah, and show all archeology and proof about the Crescent Moon and star.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhhj3bnnoCU
Heather B. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Ditto, I wrote these two in prison. They are destitute. What a crime against these 2 who stood up for what is constitutional. Our federal gov’t is out of control. I’ll try to find their addresses to post if anyone wants to encourage them.
DonnaVanMeter Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
currently they are listed on the FBOP site as not in BOP custody
Captain Kirk Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Great idea – i would like to help them anyway I can.
Bisqit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Stop worrying about it. Just go get a DVD, some popcorn, gummi bears, and a coke. Chill out and do what you’re told! Everything has been decided already. Do yourself a favor and commit to believing John 3:16. TC
chrome Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Bisqit? Bisqit Please get in line and drink the coolaid
Patrick Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
How about a dream team for a re-trial?
JonVon Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Ed Brown thought he knew everthing. No one could talk any sense to him. He did a disservice to the movement.
MAD DOG Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
HE WAS AN IDIOT.
DID EVERYTHING YOU DONT WANT TO DO.
WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND HOLDS A COOK OUT AT AN ARMED STAND OFF ?
THEY OWED TAXES ON THEIR CORPORATE TAXES.
NOT WAGES FROM LABOR.
THEY ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TAX PROTESTERS, NOT PATRIOTS.
raven Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
http://www.redemptionservice.c.....editor.asp
h5mind Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Tax income discussions are pointless without reading and understanding the appropriate tax statues contained in the IRS Code. The best (and only) book I have found to date which provides this information is ‘Cracking the Code’ by Peter Hendrickson. The feds have sued this guy repeatedly (and unsuccessfully), trying to clamp the lid on his revelation that “income” as defined in the Code is NOT what you probably think it is. Before we say “serves them right” to the Browns, it might be a good idea to understand the whole truth behind the Code, which those in the “tax honesty” movement do not have. Word of warning however, ‘Cracking the Code’ is not a Saturday afternoon read by the pool– it delves to the very nuts and bolts of the tax law and you’ll have to read it two or threee times (minimal) to grasp what the guy is talking about.
Toecutter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Mad Dog,
So. You think this ok then and support the Federal Reserve?
That would mean you support the IRS and believe the internal revenue code is a legitimate law.
Pick a side of the fence.
JSilly Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Its awsome he had the balls to do that. It needs to happen everyday. We need to make a stand everyday. How about we all meet up and make a stand. How many people do you think would really come. Do you think we could get a million people with their guns and have a peaceful march to the white house. You think they would pay attention then. Lets start planning. I am game, anyone with me???
A Total Idiot Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Read up on the Bonus Army. It’s been done before, though not in the millions. That was right around the point where they desperately started trying to remove weapons from the population, and also attempted to ban all firearms from Washington D.C.
Anubis Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Did you ever talk to Ed….hope so, maybe not though huh?
Anubis Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:15 am
For JonVon-
jeff Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Allah is the crescent moon, go to you tube and watch this excellent speaker speak on this false god allah, and show all archeology and proof about the Crescent Moon and star.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhhj3bnnoCU
JonVon Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
No Anubis I didn’t talk to Ed. Your right. I did watch all the interviews and followed it daily. He wouldn’t listen to people smarter than me, so I didn’t bother. Just to clarify my position, I liked what he was trying to do, just didn’t like how he went about it. He should have had a lawyer like a Beacraft or Cryer. Instead we got a nother win for the bad guys.
Anubis Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 3:12 am
I agree JV, but remember always that a win for the bad guys always puts you one step ahead…
Kim American Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Convicted by those who will not pay tax theirselves.
Matt.23:4 – For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be bourne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but “they” themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
And, won’t lift a finger.
Many People refuse the Bible because of those “darn” Christians.
There is a reason why the Bible is the most read around the world.
If you haven’t read the Bible your are missing out on a lot of wisdom.
You my find that you too have a personal relationship with Jesus.
chrome Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
As you may not have discovered kimmy Many people are awake and have studied the His tory about the bible and what it doesn’t reveal as a whole and how Christianity started. There are to many weak areas that demise the intelligent relationship to God When you go back to school again and search out the facts not the programmed arguments that continue to murder millions in that name you darn christians use so loosly your crown CHAKRA will open up and knowledge may pour through and you may understand what hatred in the name of your just jesus is all about. I hope your not made if you are I have a peace offering for you small swine flu blankets New on the market
Kim American Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Yeah. A lot of People “cloak” theirselves in Christianity.
People also shoot their mouths off about things they don’t know.
As a Native American I say: “Chrome, you are a Jerk!”
a voice Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
There is a day coming soon when your education will fail you, your friends won’t be there, nor will your family. You will bow before my KING and admit that he is GOD. You’ll see the scars on his hands and feet, the scars on his brow, and the ones on his back. He did it all for you but since you want hell then hell is what you’ll get. TURN OR BURN
dontpickit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
I really don’t need a relationship with the only begotten SUN of god. Spelled backwards is dog. Thats why churches have dogma. Wake up!
Dee Scent in 2 tear in knee Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 am
makes sense as dogs are the most loving creatures on the planet..that’s all they know is love[when they are treated and raised with love].. mans best friend..so true..
Kim American Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Want People to get a “bee in their” bonnet? Mention the words. GOD, Christ, Jesus, Bible.
Why does so many People freak-out over a book?
Can’t look at something objectively without prejudice?
Toecutter Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
But no problem with a money bomb for Alex and crew.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
besides, who cares if alex has a $700,000+ house in an exclusive, gated community?
Retard Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Justme… Are you retarded? Seriously.. Alex lives in a home valued at just over $200K. Maybe your finger slipped from the 2 to the 7. Yes it is a gated community, but anyone who has enemies like Alex should live in a gated community. I know I would if I was on the radio and internet everyday bringing up pertinent points about government corruption. People have been known to turn up dead who do that.
Guess you would be mad to know he could actually afford a nice amount of guns to defend himself too. I know.. What a horrible guy Alex is.. Keeping his family safe and in a home that is not in the middle of crime and gang ridden area.
By the way.. try checking the Central Appraisal District for his county if you want to start popping off about home values. If you have some evidence, pop it up.. Alex’s home is valued at $206,000.. a whopping $22,000 less than my dad’s home here in Houston.
Don’t get angry because you have not done enough in your life to afford to live in a nice home in a secured neighborhood.
Brido Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
In Britain, a fund was set up by a couple of lawyers to help pay for any defence of those who are going to refuse NID Cards or RFID CHiPs, the aim was to raise over £1million, but this was a few years ago, I’ve not checked for any updates on this actually for a long time.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
FUNNY – and all that money is… uhh… dang! it was just here a minute ago…
jeff Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Allah is the crescent moon,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhhj3bnnoCU
Not On My Watch Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Get off it Mr.T I AM Acting. If you mean either pouring $$ or Bullets into it then you have the wrong guy. I’m short on Money and The Bullets are a last resort.If that day comes I really doubt they will be able to hold ED and Elaine.Who was on the Jury the Stepford wives?!
These people live in the middle of nowhere and arn’t even a threat.All the Threats came from the Feds.
David Stratton Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:32 am
That does it. I am going to start a moneybomb site for these people. Does anyone know if they have appealed the decision yet or not? If they haven’t already appealed, then we can do a money bomb, appeal the decision, and try to free them. I don’t have a URL set up yet, but by God, I can’t stomach sitting back and letting someone go to prison for defending themselves from tyranny.
I am including my e-mail address in this post. Please let me know if you’re interested in helping to organize a money-raising event for these folks.
God bless you all,
David Stratton
Iva Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am
can’t do a lot but will help Ed and Elaine as much as I possibly can, am praying for them too, which is the #1 step, now time for some type of action
jeff Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Allah is the crescent moon, go to you tube and watch this excellent speaker speak on this false god allah,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhhj3bnnoCU
AJisafearmonger Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Alex jones wont even do it with all the cash hes making….cause hes fake ass bitch ding it all for the money now.
he just likes to run his mouth and create more fear .
i agree Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
You are correct sir. All alex jones cares about is money the sooner his followers figure that out the better for everyone.
i agree replied to his own post Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Rush Limbaugh – $100,000,000
Oprah Winfrey – (first black female billionaire)
Glenn Beck – $50,000,000
Alex Jones – $100,000
Yeah, Alex is doing it just for the money (sarcasm). He picks the topics that bring in the least amount of bling.
You would think that if Alex is “just doing it for the money” he would pick CFR approved topics.
at my brothers side Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am
BS if somebody writes a letter, petition for me I will forward it with my digitize signature to somebody who has power but don’t give a shit,who will delete it and put me on another list.
zepa21 Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
everyone wants to go up to heaven, but none of them want to die. P.Tosh
Sovereignty Soldier Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Exactly my thoughts. When the camps go active, they must be shut down just as quickly. I would love to see these two Americans freed any way possible.
Carl Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
When the camps go active people will be banging on the gates for jobs as wardens, because if/when it comes to that… most people will do anything to look out for number one.
It’s what ‘they’ are counting on.
*(I’m just going by history).
bob b Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
If the camps open, shoot the workers?
brainy smurf Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
“By rejecting the rule of the law and substituting a personal code involving weapons, explosives and threats, the defendants committed increasingly serious crimes,” acting U.S. Attorney Michael Gunnison said. “Their conduct has no place in a civil society.” THIS IS REDICULOUS! The conduct of the fed,irs and cia have no place in a civil society.
Griz Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Forget that “conduct of” part, as far as I can see, other than breaking the laws of our country and others, the Federal Reserve, IRS and CIA among many other alphabet soup agencies have no place on this planet!
Rick Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Under common law a mans home is his castle and he has the right to deny entry to and defend it with as much force as necessary . So if some one is using a fire arm and trying to gain entry to your home you have the right to use an equal amount of force to defend it
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
True under most no trespassing laws but they were warranted to be taken into custody.
Iva Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Under Yahweh’s law you cannot even enter a man’s property without his permission or invitation and Yahweh REQUIRES that we not only defend ourselves and our families, but also our neighbors.
at my brothers side Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:30 am
that was the OLD law, it is post 9/11 there is no law suckers.
John Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
They deserve prison time, because they were stupid.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
No! The fuds, the martial coward turncoats and the judge deserve what they gave those two innocents for violating our supreme law and subjecting them to false charges and torturing them! Life in prison for all of them!
Jake Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Nope. Prison is the last thing they deserve. They weren’t stupid, either. They were brave is what they were. I’m ashamed that I have not made a stand like they were willing to make. If I had half the principles/guts that Ed had, I’d arm myself and march to their defense…TODAY.
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I totally agree!
at my brothers side Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am
there is not enough jails in the planet to put all the stupid people in the US in.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I agree roaddog, we cannot have political prisoners, especially at the behest of maggot infested bankers, moreso…useless genocidal international bankers. We really have nothing lefty to lose, their crimes are worsening exponentially, it makes me sick people like them and Kent Hovind and that 16 year old boy they framed for making phony bomb threats and held under the illegitimate “GD piece of paper” patriot act, without a lawyer and without being able to see his family! I really can’t take much more.
guns won't save the world Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
The creator is already in the process of releasing his people, I don’t know about god worshippers but as for the ones who seek out the truth, which is Yahweh, I know their fate, they are prophecied to take over the governments of this world once they blow themselves up. And there aint one of you out there that can say we aren’t real close to that day RIGHT NOW!
a voice Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
You are a blockhead
EchoSierra71 Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
The Browns opposed the largest criminal organization in this country and stood with honor. Our federal slave masters will continue to rub all of our noses in their communist vomit until we unite and place them on trial. They are traitors of the worst stripe that need to answer for countless acts of high treason against the citizenry of this constitutional republic. Today revolution will prove as valuable and refreshing as life sustaining water, without it, we are as good as dead.
God almighty, I will continue to hope that all of us that share the same burning anger and desire to conquer this injustice will unite soon under a real “bare knuckle” leader. We must organize, we truly need each other, make no mistake about it.
Heather B. Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Ditto!!!
I applaud their diligence & courage. They stuck out their necks for what they researched to be true & right.
dontpickit Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
They shouldn’t have gone to court at all. If there is a flag displayed there with gold fringe around it. That is not a court of law (common law). That is a court of Admiralty lMaritime Law. Which in point of fact is the law of the high seas. Now do we live on water or land?
brainy smurf Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I see you’re name linked to Jordan Maxwell.His homepage/research was very informative.Watch him on utube explain the UCC and pray.
na Reply:
July 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Exactly. By being silent, and of his own free will, he entered that court room which is under maritime jurisdiction. By doing so he accepted the law of the flag. Never enter a building that is flying the gold fringes, but rest assured they will come cause they cant have you out there one upping them in front of the rest of the sheep. So if you choose this path be prepared to meet your maker or dont do it at all. Like someone said above, it just ruins the movement.
If your not a martyr at heart then dont act like one and run your mouth off. Kiddies.
Petey Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Federal Agents, We are armed!
Sovereign Citizens, So are we!
Free Hal Turner Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am
The feds have proven once again that they are disgusting pieces of shit! Only looking out for their pay and benefits. Hmmm, just like a greedy shylock!
The prosecutor deserves just what the esteemed Hal Turner advocates! The judge & the fed pigs who participated in this as well!
You feds need to pull your heads out of your asses if you have any concern for your family and others. When the SHTF, you WILL be wiped off the map, to quote the professor of civil engineering- Ahmadenijad. And don’t think that a real Patriot such as myself will make your families pay as well! You feds will get taxed heavily! How much? I’ll let your imaginations wonder, but if you have any intelligence, I’ll bet you can figure it out without incriminating myself.
Depending on the severity of your offenses against the White American public, your children and spouses will become beasts of the field. Now go pick my cotton!
- A Very Pissed Off “Bob”
July 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
…and it begins…
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Note that what makes their actions “have no place in civilized society” is the fact that it was government agents doing the usurpation of property and freedom.
Had it been anyone else invading their home, threatenning their lives, openning fire upon them and stealing their property, they would have been (at least) slightly “ALLOWED” to mount their own defense — the ivalid authorities would have most likely taken issue in THAT case as well.
However, by virtue of a Judge’s order (who was not duly presiding in teh state of New Hampsire in accordance with their laws), when it is the federal agents openning fire, you are expected to simply OBEY. SUBMIT… and OBEY. No questions. No arguments. No rights.
SUBMIT…
and OBEY!
na Reply:
July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 am
They have to make up laws and do things such a this, it helps keep up the moral of the police otherwise they would have no one to protect their asses and the facade of such would be gone, and so would they.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
Keenly Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
While this would be wonderful, your basically asking for the gov to do the same thing to you that they did to him
pay the tax, as the late Mr. Russo said….pay the tax, because the government can and will hurt you, regardless if its legal or illegal
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Fear no evil.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
If we’d band together against these mob rats, then indeed, we would not be compelled to pay the international revenue service! We have no obligation to the bankers, and the bankers are fixen to rape us worse under their new puppet soetoro, this has got to stop, they are running us into the ground, the fight has to start sometime, better that it happens before we are destitute, the weaker we get, the stronger they get and the harder the battle.
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
TruthAttack.org
Ben Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
http://www.showmethelaw.org
July 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
…teach…your children well…
Andrew Jackson Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
teach your children what? that tyranny will haul you away? people like you will run and hide from tyranny instead of revolting. you are better off teaching your children to shoot.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I do believe that would be what he was insinuating. YOU are steeped so fully in your arrogance, it has softenned you to the point of impotence.
You have no place here.
JMC: Right on.
RYE BREW Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I think you both are correct…teach (educate) your children, well…and how to shoot a gun and the correct time to shoot your weapon!
Andrew Jackson Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
jmc – sorry. i am just tired of people running and hiding. i do hope that you teach your children…preferably to shoot but whatever works for you
July 9th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
What we need to do is get everyone who is a legal resident of the US protest and not file income taxes. If that happens we will all out number that bullshit scaming pussy fucks irs. But that will never happen because of all the brainwashed people who follow what the goverment tells them to do. Let’s all get togather and fight them. Then we will see who will bully who.
do or die Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
thats what they want, you to revolt, so they can bring in marshal law
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Bullshit. “They” cannot handle full-scale revolt. That is why they have covered up the usurpation of our constitutional democracy for over 100 years.
This “they want you to revolt” argument is a TRAP.
They do NOT want a revolt. As Yamamoto said “there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
Now, REVOLT!
Andrew Jackson Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
ScrewyL – i agree with you. the feds are scared little boys and if they had to face off with men that were near their strength they would tremble at the knees. i think the feds are full of intimidation…and if someone calls their bluff they will run and hide. i think eventually there will be an armed resistance to taxes by as many as a thousand resisters. and it will be a wild west shoot-out
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I’ll see you there. You owe JMC an apology.
brainy smurf Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Like Rollye James says(Rollye.net)if it’s just me and my 11 friends then we’re doomed but if the masses will get informed then we will have freedoms in the courts.
xopatriot Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The sad truth is no one will do anything. This will continue and nothing will be done. They will continue to divide and conquer but if we get our sh*t together count me in.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I should be shot. REPUBLIC. not DEMOCRACY. Ugh!
Bring Down the Hammer Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
you caught yourself in time!!! I saw that comment and was waiting to see who was going to tear you up for that. Good catch…It was a Republic, do we get it back? Preparing in silent vigilence in the mountains of central PA…..
Live Free or Die Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I disagree that they want a revolt – if that was what they wanted it could have already been accomplished by now by simply outlawing guns (they would get a revolt so fast their heads would spin). The very reason they have tried implementing all of the draconian legislation one small piece at a time, very gradually, was to try to avoid a revolt. If the American people truly get fed up and decide to start a full-scale revolt (i.e. revolution) they are in big trouble.
Robert Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I believe what the govt. officials want is for us to revolt against each other. And with no food in the stores and no water supply, I think it could get ugly. All they would have to do is sit in their bunkers and wait for everyone to kill each other off.
Buffy the NWO Slayer Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Agreed.
that’s why the sheeple are bombarded with “survivor” type shows that train them to “eliminate the weakest link” instead of teaming up to survive or to fight against a common foe.
Hello1984 Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Nice observation Buffy!
quaintvilliageamerica Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Mark Guzik- I could see it happening if people were informed about the truth of income tax. The general public has to become sick of being taxed tased and terrorized. Now most people think their taxes go to ” keep us free”. We ought to be infuriated at the way we have been lied to and sold out by our “representatives”.
If a huge group of people drop off the income tax rolls all at once, they could not catch up with everyone right away (probably). There would have to be a fund and a dream team set up to defend the first person ( or several) they snag out of the group, with the hope to set a legal precedent when the dream team wins.
Mr T is right. The Browns ended up left to their own devices which shouldn’t have happened. If we cared enough about the Browns, if we cared enough about Terry Schiavo we wouldn’t let these people get sacrificed. It hasn’t cost us…. we are not angry enough or scared enough yet. But I fear for how bad it has to get before we will do the right thing.
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
google freedom law school.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
It’s very sad what the state thugs did to the Browns. The state is worse than the mafia. At least the mafia provides services people want.
hj Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
sadder is the fact that the so called patriot movement who talks a lot of bull shit did not make their stand and defend the Browns.
All talk and all bull shit.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
yup. sad but true.
Inject this! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I don’t see anyone blaming the jury.
It just goes to show ya how brain dead America is. Not ONE juror sided with the Browns.
Not One has ever heard of Jury nullification.
The Brown’s legal team couldn’t get ONE patriot from the jury pool.
And for those who think the solution is at the State or local level, think again. They’re just the ugly cousin of the Feds. The local sheriff went on a field trip when the feds came to town to arrest the Browns. He LET them take over his jurisdiction.
By the way, New Hampshire has 418 State reps for 1.2 million residents. Compare that with Congress’ 435 Reps for 340 Million.
New Hampshire, the “Live Free Or Die State” rejected their 10th amendment bill to become a sovereign state by almost a 2 to 1 margin.
You aren’t going to get any justice at the local level so stop dreaming.
Toecutter Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Very very well said my friend.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
like i have always said: it’s not the powers that scare me, it’s the people that scare me.
Inject this! Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Agreed.
I can deal with a lot. I can adapt to a lot. I’ve met many different personalities in my life.
I just don’t know how to deal with STUPID.
It’s not that they’re ignorant. At this point, with all that’s going on, they’re simply stupid.
They don’t know anything and they don’t WANT to know anything. THAT’S scary.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
The rat judges prevent the juries from being the triers of fact, they stop them from hearing the facts and or observing constitutional rights and expert witnesses etc., hence, we have no judicial, we have no executive, we have no legislative, no one represents us, we have no vote, we only have one avenue left, and it will not be a matter of choice long! We have nothing left to lose.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
you are being MUCH too generous to an ignorant general public which comprise juries.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We no longer live in a ‘civil’ society. It’s now a submissive society. Anyone who doesn’t bend to the will of the ‘all powerful government’ will be buried next to Karesh.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Submit.. and OBEY!
July 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We are at the point where EVERYONE who knows what’s really going on need concern themselves with nothing more than giving out copies of DVD’s, copies of the Jane Bürgermeister lawsuit article by Kurt Nimmo, wearing infowar t-shirts in order to get conversations started, and most of all, educating yourselves so that you may speak to the subjects intelligently and calmly. Stand up straight without looking down your nose. Present yourself so that you and your information will be received well.
There is no conspiracy, but there is an agenda. We were warned about “infiltration” long ago. Now we must practice infiltration to subvert the system that the enemy has clandestinely replaced our beloved republic with.
Please. Stop wasting time with idle hands and loose lips. Educate yourself and educate others. Help people discover the truth on their own.
Good Luck.
http://www.myspace.com/vademusic
July 9th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
that is ridiculous. that is extreme to be locking old people away for 30 years.
roaddog – you are right. where is the A-team?
roaddog Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
When the camps open up, the herd will have to work from the inside and the outside to get out. They’re gonna have to kill their captors. Rioting on the inside and attacks from patriots from the outside to save the ones inside.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
You are right, and that is one of our imperatives!
oldnamvet Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
The judge who tried their case might want to sleep with one eye open for the rest of his short life.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
he’ll sleep just fine – like the many on this forum…
July 9th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
To bad the income tax is illegal according to its own ammendment, which itself wasnt ratified. The income tax ammendment says it must be unnapportioned, which would be a flat tax. Therfore our current income tax is unconstitutional, even if it would have been ratified.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
That’s not all. That’s only the tip of the IRS-berg.
Truthster Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Not quite. The “income” tax is constitutional. It’s just not a direct tax on ALL we earn, like we’ve been (mis)led to believe. The US Supreme Court has consistently ruled that it is an EXCISE, or privilege tax. The Court has also ruled that you can NOT tax private sector work as “privilege”. That means only “occupations not of common right” – or gov’t. jobs can be taxed as “privileged”.
brainy smurf Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I don’t understand all that but I have a right to work and that right is not taxable.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“Their conduct has no place in a civil society.”
So the Brown’s conduct has no place but the IRS is fine?
An agency that forces people to pay them a portion of their income under threat of violence is okay? That doesn’t sound very civilized. That sounds more like the mob.
The government provides few services that people would pay for willingly so they are reduced to strong-arming the money from people for their own profit.
A lot of Americans should rethink where their loyalties lie.
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
http://socialviability.com/
July 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
MODERATOR-
Delete that death threat NOW!
HanksExfed Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
MODERATOR
Delete woo hoo’s comment.
Thank you moderator Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Thank You for deleting “woohoo”’s post.
We don’t need stuff like that on infowars.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
YOU GUYS ARE MORONS. AND ANTI-LIBERTY. This is Disappointing…
That post could have been interpreted to read in one of several ways.
IN FACT, ALEX HIMSELF related a story of a man who was ‘detained’
because of a bumper sticker on his truck which read ‘Abort Obama’.
ABORT meant IMPEACH – and in context, that post related the same,
whatever the exact wording… DO YOU MORONS FEEL ‘SAFER’ NOW?
MODERATOR – Delete that Death threat NOW! – ROTFLMAO hahahaha.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
they could just as well have shot it out with the feds because they are as good as dead anyways. at least then they could have died with honor.
“every warrior hopes he will die a good death” – indian proverb
a voice Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
where are you going when you die? a “good” death turns pretty bad if you die and go to hell. Jesus Christ said come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Allah never claimed that nor did any other “god” and if they had I would laugh myself sick and then go fishing.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Our hearts go out to the Browns, and considering the outcome,
would it not have been more fitting had the Browns instead
“gone out” in a hail of federal agent-gunfire?
Of course the Feds didn’t want that. They didn’t want the Browns
elevated to martyr status, which they most certainly would have been.
We believe the way Ed and Elaine handled the situation was faulty.
Their timing was off, for one thing. If that had happened, say, a year
or so from now when unemployment will be 50%+, retirement and
savings accounts looted and our infrastructure sold off to the highest
bidding foreign banksters, the Browns would have probably had an
army of friends numbering in the tens of thousands.
But as it appears the folks threw away the last years of their lives
for the sake of some thousands of dollars most of us shell out any-
how as “protection money” to keep thugs away from our door.
Its a heart-breaker. Ed and Elaine should have have a serious “Plan B”
ready for when the inevitable happened. A few people trying to hole
up in a country house against an army of federal goons backed by
the full force of a criminal gov’t is incredibly foolish.
Ben Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Or incredibly principled.
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
Why second guess? Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I like how folks criticize others from the comfort of their keyboard, myself included.
Ed and Elaine did what they did. To them, going to prison is worth not paying the mafia IRS, from their hard earned labor.
Steve in Texas Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Excellent reply there Fubar.
Conclude1111 Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I agree with everything there Fubar except one thing, Timing. It’s never a bad time to defend yourself, die on your feet or live on your knees. Thier mistake was not marketing thier story better so that more would know about them. My opinion.
Specter Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Kind of hard to market the story with the MSM that exists today don’t ya think.
The bottom line is it’s time to stop paying taxes for a tyrannical government, period.
Conclude1111 Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
agreed
FreedomLover Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
“A few people trying to hole
up in a country house against an army of federal goons backed by
the full force of a criminal gov’t is incredibly foolish.”
But isn’t that exactly what most of the info-warriors have said they will do? Think about it.
Crud Commentary for the Critics Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Monday Morning Quarterbacks who live on their knees:
========================================
“I think I see banker cum on your lapel?”
To the critics, obviously the Browns should do like you and continue to pay any bogus taxes that are presented to them. And then when the “chips” are introduced… receive the implants.
…Everybody keeps waiting for the “perfect time” to protest, march, or whatever. Well, I surely hope it comes folks.
===
Knock, knock, knock…. The Banksters are at the door again. Time to drop you pants, lube up, and grab your ankles. You may need extra lube this time… their are rumors that the Banksters have had some “surgical enhancements” since they last visited you.
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
one thing that ED got across to me was to stop worrying about the numbers.I was always concerned about getting more people involved,more people,more people! He told me to just do what I thought was right as an individual.There is no way to predict the mass conciousness of this situation.The timing will take care of itself.
dongo Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Just like the Jews in the warsaw ghetto in WW2 in Poland that were fighting for thier lives was foolish?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I can about imagine what was chosen as “jurors” in this case. Dumbed down slaves who think everything the government does is right, no matter what. Practically everybody I know falls into this catagory; very few are even the slightest bit enlightened. Anyone in the Pool who showed the least little bit of intelligence was bounced out, quickly.
The only way to get any “justice” is to avoid the courts altogether. If caught up in the judicial system, my advice is try to escape and run like hell.
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
More jury nullification please!The jury can make or break a law.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
They should have never surrendered without a fight
JonVon Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
They did not surrender.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
If you would like to donate to the brown’s legal fund the address is http://makethestand.com/
DonnaVanMeter Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
the moderator of this make the stand site is whom brought the marshals and undercover agents to the browns door. Not to mention shaun was raising money for the browns supporters legal funds which not one cent was given to their defense, not a single one of them!
July 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
ScrewyL is right you guys. “they” are making themselves look bigger than “they” really are. we could knock them out. ever heard of the “snowball effect”? we need to figure out how to get the ball rolling. that’s who the true genious will be.
have you guys ever considered fighting fire with fire? what i mean is maybe we should stage a false flag on them to get the armed rebellion started.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’ve waited almost 5 years to hear those words.
No armed resistance. Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I refuse to stoop to the pathetic Illuminati level of staging false flags and armed resistance.
They get their powers from evil, I get mine from good.
The poster with the handle: “Hanging in the streets of Pennsylvania Ave.” is definitely a Fed trying to set people up. Instead of staging crises you federal agent, why don’t you launch an investigation of the criminal Federal Reserve?
The banksters are stealing your pension, you federal agents, they are harming your children with mercury in the HFCS, thimerisol in the vaccines and fluoride in the tap water. go after them! Investigate them! we are the good guys. be like Joe Banister! Resist your masters! The Federal Government is just a 9 to 5 job with no future, because the banksters stole your 401k “savings”
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
You sir, are hamstrung.
Hanging in the Streets on Pennsylvania Ave. Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
there is absolutely no chance of me being a federal agent. you are paranoid. i stand my ground and i side with ScrewyL. if you want to sit there and audit the fed like a naive little boy then go ahead. MEN know that auditing the fed will do nothing. so go ahead and stand in the street with a sign that says “audit the fed”. i will stand in the street with a rope and do the dirty work for the future of this country. a neck snapping doesn’t bother me one bit. does it bother you?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Exterminating also has another meaning. Woo Hoo never actually said he was going to do any harm to Gunnison.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Look, FOX News calls for the kidnapping and torture of real patriots and terrorist attacks on the U.S. outright. We don’t have to namby-around or pander to anyone’s sensibilities here. We’re in the right.
All you who think thiese boards are “crawling” with Feds are completely tied down with fear. I’m sure they’re here. But i’d be willing to bet they do more reading than writing, and the fact remains:
There are REAL PEOPLE here who want this country fixed, and who WILL risk their lives when the time comes, in accordance with our duties as caretakers of freedom. So stop making excuses. DO SOMETHING. Take a damn stand, and burn for it if you have to.
Being informed is not paranoia Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
ScrewyL and Prescott Steve-
before you toot your horn and think everything is fine and dandy, you might want to read this document:
http://www.wired.com/images_bl.....threat.pdf
Now read it!
Being informed is not paranoia Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
ScrewyL says:
“All you who think thiese boards are “crawling” with Feds are completely tied down with fear”
No, we are just informed and well read
THIS WAS EVEN IN MAINLINE NEWS, you silly goose! You are the one in fear sir, because you are in DENIAL:
http://cbs5.com/crime/BART.off.....39379.html
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:11 am
I read the entire case document the FIRST time you posted it ~ a week ago, and found nothing in it of merit. That WAS in fact a direct death threat against a specific individual, complete with details of the intended location and the manner of the killing.
Infowars was both patriotic and righteous in aiding the investigation, and nothing in your case demonstrates that this web site is under ‘continuous’ surveillance. On the contrary, the victim in the Weaver case appears to have found the threat because it contained his name.
Woo Hoo did NOT meet these criteria, and I stand by my implication that you are too paranoid for your own good (a little is healthy; after all, they ARE out to get us!)
Additionally, I reiterate that our opinion should be known–just as Woo Hoo said something SHOULD happen.
Being informed is paranoia according to ScrewyL! Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
You know deep down inside, I was right. Now you feel like a fool.
Nice Facade you put up. I’m not buying it one bit.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
lol. Did you read the death threat? Did you read Woo-Hoo’s comment?
Not On My Watch Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I make it a point not to threaten AGGRESSIVE Violent action.People really have to watch their wording and if they ARE going to do something crazy then just shut up and do it.No need to Advertise it.If you do it then we’ll see headlines about it for weeks.”OUTRAGE” is a Bad thing.People who act out of rage tend to make poor judgement , because they are just giving into being manipulated into a desired REACTION. Never REACT. RESPOND……….People that call for violence should, be careful what they wish for.Violence WILL happen on a Massive scale.That’s a Given.When anything is crushed under extreme pressure the resulting effect is always violently explosive.The scary and sad truth of such an event is that Explosions are indescriminate about their victims and damages.We need to calmly Unite and coordinate our responses.
When Nothing hits the Fan Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
The morons that call for armed resistance and violence will wish it was never called after it’s called.
Anubis Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:59 am
That’s a test I’m willing to take, but do understand- no one wishes such things upon another for their evening pleasure, if you will…but to preserve the America we all want it to be, what our former patriot militias fought and died for and what they wanted it to be…for their children, and our children…to know, what it is truely like,…to be free- Remember always where YOU stand–for when they call for submission, you be not paralyzed.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:12 am
And the morons who never believed in it will wish they had done something.
Nobody wishes for it, yet some of us accpet its inevitability.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
WOO HOO’s comment was fine. it’s these god-damned all-too-important pussified nazi police…
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
MODERATORS: shame on you, and score one for the ‘anti-hate speechers’
who must now be laughing their collective homo-drilled asses off by now…
Moderators did a fine job Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
One less knock at a door for a fellow patriot.
My God! Do guys want fellow patriots picked off one by one, and thrown in a government cage?
Death threats are not free speech, and has no business on a pro liberty, pro Constitution website.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I am in awe of Ed and Elaine Brown.
Say what ya want Feds….but the man had the courage to live what he believes.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
i wonder if he regrets it now…
July 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Remember the tax case in A.F.T.F with agent ‘Craner’ that fell under Illinois State statue, which makes it a state matter, same thing happened with Ed and Elaine BUT since this fell under the order of Fedral Agents it made it a Federal Matter. This means under the United Sates Constitution this is a ‘Common Law Case’ and should be tried as such and should be in an Article 3 Court in which all rights are to be observed to the obedient common law-man. This did not happen, so therefore the Judge during this hearing is violation for ‘holding seat’ in a court which he judged is in all manners to be dismissed due to miss trial of being in the wrong court. Assigning federal agents to Ed and Elaines to handle the ‘House Incident’ was what they had exactly in mind to begin with.
This type of shit in our so called system is rampant, if your involved with any type cases such as these my advice is to get out while you still got your skin, they want to win and in doing so make a hard example out of you and to send a message to anyone else who has these thoughts or intentions. There’s always another battle with a fresh start somewhere else, I’m not trying to detour you, nor am I Revenue or whatever, just someone with helpful advice. May Yah Bless You and guide You.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Excuse me, but the government is the party “rejecting the rule of law” and committing “increasingly serious” crimes.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
It’s totally shameful that even 20% of those jurors (cowards) cound’nt find them not guilty. Correct me if i’m wrong but that would have resulted in a hung jury.
Matt Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
One person – 1 out of 12 is all it takes to make a Hung Jury. One fucking person wouldn’t say “Not Guilty”. Not one fucking person said “Hold the shit up. Something’s not right here. This sounds an awful lot like strong arm Kangaroo Court tactics.”
Not one fucking person was willing, capable or even aware enough to simply say “No”.
Talk about tears in my beers.
Donna VamMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:54 am
THey were not informed about Jury Nullification. http://fija.org/
7th Amendment Warrior Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
It only takes 1 juror to hang the jury. Jury decisions need to be unanimous to get a GUILTY verdict.
Jurors can also ignore the judge’s instructions. All a juror has to say is “NOT GUILTY” and the jury gets hung, and the juror cannot be punished for their finding.
NOT GUILTY is the most powerful decision in the world, and that’s why the founding fathers put it in there. All the legislators, executives like police or the president, and even judges are all nullified by some John Q Public juror right off the street saying NOT GUILTY. This is why we fight for the Bill of Rights and why brave men died in the American Revolution.
kpr Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
And that’s what is so amazing about this case. A jury of Americans in 2009 and not one had the brains or the balls to stand up for JUSTICE. These jurors are bootlickers, each and every one of them. Hope they enjoy getting on their knees doing what they are good at for the NWO . And no one had better come to THEIR defense.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
They are lucky bastards so they don’t have to kill themselves in the prison! Thanks to corrupt govt for making stupid decisions. They will be in the Heaven if they got a death penalty! I support death sentence for defending themselves that is good idea!
July 9th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Until we get a hold on our local law enforcement and court system we have not a chance! My wife and I went to fight a ticket for being parked in a red zone (fire zone ) last week. I sat in the truck (with it running) while my wife ran inside to pay our cable bill. Because I had a (don’t tread on me bumper sticker) I was issued a ticket . In court we were made to wait about 6 hours while other people went in frount of the judge to plea their cases. When it came time for me ,I was pulled aside and told to come back in Sept. They had a 2 page report along with my ticket. I was not allowed to see the judge.Now you tell me what’s going on!
Highlanderess Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
When my husband fought a parking ticket several years ago we sat for hours in the room and it was dismissed because the cop who wrote the ticket wasn’t there. So he did not have to pay the fine.
Either they want the cop there or you’re put you on some kind of watch list because of your bumper sticker.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
SHAME ON YOU ALEX JONES FOR DROPPING THE CAUSE OF THE BROWNS.
YOU ALONE COULD HAVE BROUGHT SO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS TRIAL.
YOU HIDE BEHIND ENEMY LINES IN YOUR BUNKER, STIR THE POT AND LET TWO AMERICANS GO TO PRISON…
WHEN THE NWO COMES FOR YOU, WILL WE REMEMBER….
And just a side note….I know how you were involved with the US MARSHALLS WITH THIS.
This will be deleted I am sure…
Grambo Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Shame on you for not calling Alex’s show everyday to keep him informed and the issue alive. Its not up to Alex to lead every cause. He does a good job as a scout pointing out all the areas that the enemy is attacking, but do you really think the man has time to do that and champion everyone that is getting blasted by this evil machine? I just got rammed by the Harris County Toll Road Authority down here in Houston. It sucked, but Alex couldn’t fight that fight for me. There are many battles going on, so take charge of your own life and quit relying on others to fight for you. As to your accusation about the US Marshalls, why not provide a link or some proof?
Been to the first trial...have facts Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Have the facts…….will provide…..in due time……
need facts Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
The time is NOW!
End Game Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Will talk about the IRS and the NWO……not to trash Alex…just lay the truth…of his involvement with the US Marshalls…..when it comes to the Browns..
Toecutter Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Alex doesnt get paid advertising for plugging for help for patriots only for himself.
END GAME Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
SELL OUT FOR SURE..HE STANDS FOR NOTHING but empty rederick
Dear Moron Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Rhetoric is the word you were looking for. Ed Brown chose his path. He had opportunities to file the right motions and handle the situation without violence in a higher court. He refused. Bad timing as someone said before.
The whole Alex and the US Marshals nonsense is pretty lame. Ed Brown called the shots. At least he thought he did.
-Rhetoric
When Nothing hits the Fan Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
ALex’s advertisers pay for the post, that you just posted, because you took up bandwidth on his website.
This fight isn’t about Alex, it’s about you and what you can do with your own life.
I didn’t see you starting up a website to help the Browns. Only blame the man in the mirror.
dongo Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Weel, At least Dave Vonkliest from the Power Hour had the balls to go there but nooo… not this little Ckn sht Alex!
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
deleted?? nope its still here–and alex didnt drop this one he did a whole show on it cuz thats how i found out about it–so stop knocking alex–hes the best thing we got going for us—along with ron paul and a handful of others–if ya cant say something nice about his site then go somewhere else–we(alex jones followers) dont want to hear shit about him being ashamed of doing or not doing anything
July 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I understand that the rule of law, if followed, would see an end to the fraudulent income tax among many other unlawful things that the federal government is doing to its citizens. It is absurb that these attorneys (US attorney) defend the government’s position as being lawful when clearly the federal government, in this case particularly, was the flagrant usurper of the rule of law when it sought to enforce a revenue code that is unconstitutional with the threat and use of force! What happens when the citizenry is no longer able to protect themselves ‘legally’ against encroachments on its unalienable rights under the authority of government? We all just bend over and take it until tyrants get tired of abusing us? I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Why do we tend to view these matters as a course of law?, when it’s clear that there is no law, but a loose caricature of it. This country has had it, we a circling the drain.
Did you hear Warren Buffett today, what a joke. Americans love to lie to themselves. Everything is tofu and tabby cats.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
none of you will do anything except for what you are told
July 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Pure treason. Death penalty only for old people protecting themselves from tyranny.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Check out the title “who owns who” on you tube. You can get off the system legally, plus other benefits are included in the video series. Don’t fight em, dodge em.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Defending your home and your person is a threat to the Feds? I thought with all of their technology and manpower they wouldn’t be afraid. What a bunch of pansies.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
no, the purpose of this was in the ultimate outcome: THE PEOPLE FOUND THEM GUILTY.
how cool is that? we cannot even blame government because it’s was ‘a jury of peers’.
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
and if you believe that—i got some property ta sell ya
July 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Our lackie courts are wormwood organized banking minions. They know nothing of justice. Just how to protect organized bankers.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
The truth is Americans have become paper tigers, they talk a lot, but not do anything….Keep waiting for somebody to do something paper tigers…talk no action…This government loves you paper tigers…when they come to your house for your weapons, make sure you talk to them and give up your weapons and then cry and whine…hehehehehehe
freedom or death Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I have done something, I have fired the Government, no drivers license, no State ID, no State plates, nothing they tell me I have to have to be what I am, a free man, standing on my Creator given rights.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I too have done the same and more.
I stand solidly with The Browns, vindicated or convicted alike.
I too have been alienated, and it’s a cross I bear proudly.
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
right along there with ya!! at least some of us are standing up against all this crap
kpr Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Good for you! I admire your actions, though I don’t know how you can provide for yourself or your family (if you have one) while living in this way. That’s not the point though.
There will undoubtably be some smart fellow on this site who’ll say something like: “Freedom or Death deserves prison time because he did not protest in the right way…” or some similar drivel. The fact is you, unlike 99% of those here, are taking action. For that I wish you the best.
You should, if you haven’t, listen to Alan Watt and visit his website cuttingthroughthematrix.com .
You can download hundreds of hours of his show, and he recommends something similar to what you are doing.
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:15 am
“though I don’t know how you can provide for yourself or your family (if you have one)”
At times, it is very difficult. By onlookers, rarely is it appreciated. But it is always rewarding to stand upon ones convictions.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
and you post on the internet where your every move is monitored and tracked? just sayin’…
July 9th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Ahh yes, the RULE OF THE LAW. Sounds like ol GHW Bush in 1991……The rule of the law, not the rule of the jungle…read: NWO Laws V’s People’s sovereignty….
This conviction should be enough to start a revolution, however……too many of us are asleep. They need a wake up….hopefully before the H1N1 vaccine….then it is too late
July 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
The IRS and Secret Service are nothing more than the bouncers / thugs of the banking elite / Federal Reserve, ensuring that nobody counterfits – or rather usurps their complete monopoly on the corrupt U.S. monetary ponzi scheme. The IRS then enforces the collection of illegal tax on fiat / phoney money earned by the people. The Secret Service ensures through their machine gun armed presidential bodyguards that nobody will easily replace their banker-installed front-man Obama, or whoever it happens to be. It’s really as simple as that.
In other words, if you don’t like the fact that the banking elites print their paper money out of thin air and sell their money to the US government at interest which is then earned and loaned to us schnooks at additional interest, so that we can then pay taxes on that phoney money that was printed out of thin air…..then, tough shit….. And if you dare protest all or any part of this ponzi scam, then you might end up in a cage like the Browns. Madoff was an object lesson but the monetary system essentially operates as a ponzi scam – a la Bernie Madoff style….robbing Peter to pay Paul. The Social Security Tax is a good example, same with Entitlements; there are no funds for these, rather, the money collected, or rather, extorted in federal taxes helps to pay these SS recipients….the rest will just be printed on the old printing press.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
This case places everyone who is considering survival of the coming events in a peculiar position.
With the Fed planning on enforcing many unlawful laws and citizens planning on avoiding the consequences of not complying with unlawful laws. Does this make everyone who thinks certain laws are unlawful a co-conspirator to kill federal agents under the ruling on this case? If so why submit for a trial? It appears that there was no real hearing into the circumstances surrounding this case. How many days? How many witnesses? Were any agents actually fired on? If not how was it arrived at the any munitions were intended to be directed at federal agents? Evidently the agents that made the arrest were not attacked. I want to puke when I hear one of these dunderheads talk about the rule of law. We have the rule of law just as the mafia have a rule of law. In fact I suspect that mafia law is more consistent than the laws being imposed on us through inept bureaucrats, ambitious prosecutors, judges who aspire to legislate from the bench, and congress who sets the stage for these events by not reading the legislation that they sign.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
What if we are really fighting a machine? I mean I know everything is connected, but what if there really is no one “in charge”. What if Govt. was an idea brought forward by banksters and elites to control the world. But in their own greed they lost control themselves. I mean even the ones who think they are in control will be ousted by their lower workers…and eventually a new head emerges only to repeat the same cycle. So really no one is in control because the govt. is so big that at any time another part of the govt. could overthrow the current rulers.
Dear Spacer Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Why is abbreviated such a long word?
justme Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:47 am
do tell…
When Nothing hits the Fan Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
mMm503:
Yes, it is ending up like that. This was the biggest concern of the Bilderberg 2009 conference in Greece. They are losing control because the financial apocalypse happened earlier, quicker, and harder than they liked. This is why they are rushing like crazy with the Obama mask on.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
WOW: it gets flipped from “protesting an illeagal tax system” to “plotting to kill federal agents”!!!
WOW… this counrty is so gone…. GONE..
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
the people are gone… so gone… GONE.
Great Job with that Fluoride… It Works!
ted dragknot Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:35 am
You’re a funny person “justme”. You may want to ease off the Fluoride, some, yourself:
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justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
YOU GUYS ARE MORONS. ….. This is Disappointing…
That post could have been interpreted to read in one of several ways.
IN FACT, ALEX HIMSELF related a story of a man who was ‘detained’
because of a bumper sticker on his truck which read ‘Abort Obama’.
ABORT meant IMPEACH – and in context, that post related the same,
whatever the exact wording… DO YOU MORONS FEEL ‘SAFER’ NOW?
“”
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
EXACTLLY!! im sure they felt real threaten my this 6o yr old couple!! just like that tazzered 72 yr old lady
July 9th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Did’nt the code on the IRS say tat paying taxes were optional? You have to be a memeber of the BO in orther to be a tax cheat and get away with it?
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I would like to see who hands the sentence to Ed and Eliane… probably another tax cheat that has his money burried in one of the many world tax hevens.
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Peace.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
WORDS AND THEIR MEANING
- Alleged Privileged Alien Belligerents
- Un Lawful Alien Belligerents
- The Un-Privileged
- Non-State Actors
- Enemy Aliens
- Sub-Populations
What do these words mean to you?
You better know. These are the words being thrown around on The Hill.
This is a joke to them. And, you are the BUTT of it!
Need to address the 14 Amendment and go back to being a Republic with Our (organic) Constitution.
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Hey where’s your cool blue logo?
Kim American Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Maybe, I gnawed it off.
Now, if I can the with rest of the ties that bind.
I can be FREE!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I think we just need some good local leaders to rally the troops. I’ll be very honest my “line in the sand” has been crossed a thousand times yet I continue to redraw it a say Ok this time I mean it, but yet here it sit at my keyboard typing. I ready for the masses to rise up as one say no fucking way , no more.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
They deserve prison time for going about their protest the wrong way.
kpr Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
And tell us, (assuming you work for a living) what is the right way to protest that will eliminate any thought of prison?
Better than writing it here, why not do it yourself, since you appear to have things figured out and believe this couple ‘deserves’ prison. Put your remaining years on the line, smart guy.
When Nothing hits the Fan Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
The best way to successfully fight the IRS is by not having an income.
Pushing a shopping cart full of your belongings and yelling at traffic, dumpster diving, living in a cardboard box in a back alley, and going to soup kitchens for meals is the most effective way to not pay taxes, and not get in trouble.
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
WHAT??? ARE YOU NUTS?? THEY ARE 60 YRS OLD WOULD YOU SAY THE SAME FOR YOUR OWN PARENTS?? I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THAT TAZZERING THAT 72 YR OLD LADY WAS JUSTIFIED TOO!! GO AWAY–FAR FAR AWAY!!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
When the camps go active???? WTF the camps have been active. Americans do nothing but sit idly by and watch. Agents have been sent to eat out our substance and we do nothing. The local Seriff enforces unconstitutional laws and we do nothing. Our fellow Citizens are imprisoned and we do nothing. Our fellow Citizen are convicted in a court (?) (Admiralty Maritime) and the stupid ignoramus jury(?) does the evil deed. We do nothing. We wont save our fellow Americans. You, we, I cant be saved because we cant save ourselves. I’ll die in my yard because I am forced to fight alone. So be it.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
sad but true. well said, as usual…
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
YEAP YOUR TOTALLY RIGHT CUZ IN THE END WE WILL NOT REMEMBER THE WORDS OF OUR EMEMIES BUT THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS!!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Oh and what’s more I see two sides when I see the movement, those who think we can win within the “law” and those who say screw that this place is so fucking far gone it time to just kick some ass and dispense with the niceties. No rules just ass kicking. I’m in the second camp, call me what you will but I don’t think arguing about the law will get anyone anywhere. Just my two cents.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Toecutter, I agree with you all the way, and it breaks my heart. I haven’t heard that quote in awhile but it’s unfortunatley very fitting, but as I said who will lead us? I know there are enough who would really stand up they just need someone to be a freaking leader someone must take that step.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Oh, and another thought, let’s just say people did take a “stand”. Who the hell would be getting hurt, us and their frontline aka the cops, feds and military. The real evildoers would escape once again like magic, by misdirection. Were busy mixing it up with the feds and they’re just hanging out waiting for it to fizzle out just to begin all over with a new group of morons.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Did Alex rat on them??…
truther Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Not sure about rat but I heard Alex bragging on another radio show how he’d been to the Browns home to talk’em down and told they had alot of fire power.
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
you mean like the John Joseph Gray thing? hmm…
Donna VamMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Jones never ever went to the Browns. He sent people like Luke R and Terry Melton up there because he was too chicken shit to go up there himself.
Donna VamMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:44 am
and yes toll he had a role in it
Teabagger from the TEA Party Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I’m sure Donna VamMeter had cookouts with the Browns weekly, so she is talking from experience. Hey, Alex sent a film crew over there while doing his 4 hour radio show and making OBAMA DECEPTION that got 3 million views on YouTube. You should be happy that a film crew went out while Alex was busy exposing the elite’s latest facade.
I like how guys expect Alex Jones to be everywhere at once, and then you knock him for selling tshirts and DVDs.
Some of you really need to compete with Alex and start your own websites and TV shows.
Donna VanMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
No, but my better half is sitting in prison til 2014 for going up there. Alex wasnt working on the Obama deception way back in the late part of 2006 throughout the stand off. He sent a crew in which got back stabbed by Alex shortly after they got back from the Browns.
And I have started up my own websites, internet television site and run a radio show all devoted to the Browns, their supporters and other political prisoners.
Jones is an ass clown, plain and simple. Bill Cooper knew that shit for sure and he ended up being martyred for all he knew. THank the Elohim Cooper exposed that sorry SOB jones really is.
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!! GO BACK UNDER THE PILE OF SHIT YOU CRAWL OUT FROM–GROW UP OR GO AWAY
July 9th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
John Smart Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
They deserve prison time for going about their protest the wrong way.
Remember, all beings have a divine right to revolution and revolt, to resist tyrranny. The law that prevents them from their protest also protects a great evil in our society. there is no wrong way to fight Tyranny, and more of us will decide to fight in a similar fashion, we’ll test the metal of the law. Ghandhi made his protests public, he understood he would be beaten, and jailed. But he placed himself in that situation so he could have his protest and finnaly his day in court, where he could deny the court authority. Well, i’m not saying to go unarmed into the hands of the Tyrant. I’m just saying, ‘don’t call your fellow patriots fools”. They deserve far better than they’re recieving, and i’m greatfull they had the fortitude and will to stand up for their rights and theirt beliefs. We need to squash this notion that we’re not allowed to defend ourselves from those baring badges. We need to make home raids damn uncomfortable. As a free man i have the right and obligation to defend myself from all comers. By acting on that notion, we will bleed, but we will despell the illusion of control.
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO PROTEST!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THATS THE WHOLE PROBLEM?? THEY HAD NO RIGHTS TO PROTEST EVEN IF THEY WERE RIGHT–WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? WE CANNOT ALL BE AS SMART AS LAWYERS–IVE HAD AN APPOINTED LAWYER FOR ME ONCE–AND NOTHING WAS DONE IN MY FAVOR–ILL NEVER GO THAT ROUTE AGAIN
July 9th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
WATCH THIS
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
WE ain’t shit!
Toecutter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
You got a mouse in your pocket?
July 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
The A team???
Once upon a time (when the system was only half corrupt) there lived many A teams!
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One billion dollars could be raised for the services of the A team, but all it would be good for is wiping ones arse with!
How can the corrupt Globalist “FILTH” be brought off…they can’t be!…so for anyone to suggest passing the hat around (to fund the services of an A team) is misguided and quite naive!
People are more powerful than money (any amount of it)…where were all the truthers during the Browns trial???…the millions of them???
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The Browns were sold out!…not only by the Globalist “FILTH”…but by the truth movement as well!
Sounds harsh but it’s a quite obvious fact!!!
justme Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
YEAH; GOOD RATINGS (AND ENTERTAINMENT) BEFORE THE HAMMER (OR GAVEL) FELL… SAD!
Donna VamMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Amen! They were sold out by gatekeepers of the movement. I know Reno was sold out by Jones Co and the US Marshal ole alex had on his payroll, 17k went to Amy Williamson aka Amy for Freedom whom up and disappeared with exculportory evidence that would clear his name. They all were sold out and rail roaded, the Browns by this Dutch character through Shaun Krannish, via Larry “Death Squad” Pratt, whom btw is chums with Alex. If you dont know the history of Larry Pratt i suggest ya all look into it and the CNP.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
i am so ashamed of my state, my country, and so many people all around me.
I live in New hampshire and talked about these guys all the time, almost everyone had the point of view that they were criminals.
I am so ashamed
laura brown Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
AMEN!! TOTALLY ASHAMED OF THIS COUNTRY–CANT BELIEVE ITS AMERICA–LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE–YET WE ALLOW A 72 YR OLD LADY TO BE TAZZED BY OUR COPS AND THIS 60 YR OLD COUPLE GOING TO PRISON FOR TRYING TO SAVE & DEFEND WHAT THEY HAD WORKED THEIR ENTIRE LIVES FOR!! IM TOTALLY ASHAMED SO SAD
July 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Fuck the IRS
EYE ARE ES Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
That’s another penalty plus intrest lil one!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
U.S. Attorney Michael Gunnison sez fuck you coward american chumps.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
That’s why we need more organizations like the Symbionese Liberation Army. If we did, these pigs would not be getting away with this. We need someone with some recon capabilities to kidnap someone important to the global elite, much like Patty Hearst was, and demand a prisoner exchange. It is amazing that this is being allowed to take place with little resistance. All these so-called militias who say they are fighting tyranny and defending the people. A whole lot of good they have done for these American heroes who have faught and will die for all of us. We love you Ed and Elaine!! Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people! Patria o muerte venceremos!
Aussie Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
riotusa
I believe that sounds like someone knocking on your front door!
And your back door as well!
.
I wonder who it might be???
July 9th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
It’s not smart to try and fight the system that way. They will always make an example of these people and send them away.
Better way is grass roots peaceful activism to END THE FED
Aaron Russo said it’s not a good idea to try annd not pay, “they can hurt you.”
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
when we all stop worrying about being hurt then we will act.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Yet there is no investigation of the finding by reputable scientists of thermate/thermite in the dust of the WTC, and no prosecution of whoever is responsible for it being there (if the research is validated–and surely it can’t just be ignored). Is this what happens in a ‘civil society’?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
They should have just started shooting, even if they died in the conflict, can that really be that much worse than being a 60 year old bitch in prison to a rapist?
*Said Jokingly… *
Realistically, it sounds to me like they should have vanished across the border, any border would do, and got the hell out of the country, and took a flight to somewhere where America does not have an extradition treaty with.
Inject this! Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 am
And where would that be? Mars?
You can’t win a fight by running away. That’s the problem with Americans and most of the people on this thread. Everybody wants to win the fight but nobody is willing to get a bloody nose in doing so.
Half the comments in here are people attacking one another. That’s not a truth movement, it’s a bowel movement.
Get the sand out of your vaginas.
Specter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Well said and a direct hit.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
the Court and jury found them guilty and they did hold up break a lot of laws.. The Browns are not above the laws .
Mr. Geltschmidt's Slave Master Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Mr.Geltschmidt answer this honestly if you can.
If I own all (or a portion) of YOUR labor, what would that make me in relation to you?
What does it mean when another entity has LEGAL rights of ownership to your labor?
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” ~ Goethe
justme Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:50 am
me thinks you already gave away the answer – it’s seemingly evident right in your name.
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
statutes,not laws.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
you can still appeal their conviction,that is their right.fringing wake up and do something!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Monday Morning Quarterbacks who live on their knees:
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“I think I see banker cum on your lapel?”
To the critics, obviously the Browns should do like you and continue to pay any bogus taxes that are presented to them. And then when the “chips” are introduced… receive the implants.
…Everybody keeps waiting for the “perfect time” to protest, march, or whatever. Well, I surely hope it comes folks.
===
Knock, knock, knock…. The Banksters are at the door again. Time to drop you pants, lube up, and grab your ankles. You may need extra lube this time… their are rumors that the Banksters have had some “surgical enhancements” since they last visited you.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Alex, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE TRUTH, THE FACTS, THE INCONVENIENT AND OBSURE HARDSHIPS OF REALITY….. TO EVERY MEDIA FORUM WITHIN YOUR POWER.
A fine example of how a great and poinient article, doesn’t have to be three pages.
WE LOVE YOU!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
…..The fact is, Jones, along David Icke, Jordan Maxwell and others has infiltrated the patriot movement and is hardly its “leader.” I will never be with the 9/11, or so called truther movement or, tea party-patriot movement. Ill not be caught up in a riot or fighting the police . I am going to pray for you all and hope that you come to Jesus he is the only path you should walk, other than that you will see hell …….
July 9th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
goeathe: oh well it matters not, they were put to a jury and lost . follow the laws set fourth do not take up weapons, you are in the wrong when you point your weapons at the law, and make bombs, plotting to kill federal agents. If they were to follow the teachings of Jesus, they would not be in prison today.
eysofastrnjr Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Mr.Geltshmidt, It Matters Not?How does Romans 13(youd better look it up first)Apply to U.S. citizens?How do we Render unto Caesar when we are not designed by THE CONSTITUTION to have a king?Why should we pay these leaches when we are to coin our own money and pay taxes to the state we reside in?Why should we accept this when our Second Amendment Right says we have an inalienable right to carry firearms so that we can protect ourselves from political and financial tyranny?Ever Read about king George III,his taxes,and THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR?
eysofastrnjr Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:40 am
designed by The Constitution to NOT have a king.tired,sorry.
brainy smurf Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
not under a king also the Constitution describes the taxes and to whom and what they are to be assesed
Toecutter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
MR Moneysmith
Wrong, you are a troll and deceiver.
The jury was not of their peers it was a jury selected by the prosecution/government from a pool of those that support the government position (the Sanhedrin and they bow to the power of Rome and Pontius Pilate). They all pay their taxes, they all have driver license, they all are totally intimidated and havent one ounce of guts to stand up to the powers that be.
You Mr. Moneysmith are a liar and you know little of Jesus.
brainy smurf Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
The Browns are similar to the 3 Hebrew children that knew the truth by not bowing to the king.The jury was like all the obedient slaves that think you do it cause we do it.
jvl Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Jesus would be in prison with them.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
1000 snipers for liberty , ready for action !
July 10th, 2009 at 1:26 am
GOD BLESS ED AND ELAINE BROWN!They are true American Patriots.May the real Jesus Christ be with them!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Bastards. You Gov. minions are destined to eternal damnation.
God bless Ed and Elaine Brown. May the Lord be with them during their tribulations. May He bless them and give them faith. May the Lord God punish their persecutors. We ask you Lord may justice be served in their lives.
Have faith Ed and Elaine Brown. Pray.
Red dawn now! Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:40 am
AH Mein Brother AH Mein! They will be blessed for enduring the tyranny of the cowards and thieves in Heaven, I also want to make sure they get blessed here though! When the balloon goes up, the right thing must be done! As proverbs 24:11 instructs us.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 am
I’m dreaming. I must be dreaming. Someone wake me the hell up!
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:16 am
open your eyessssss
July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 am
my heroes
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 am
People should phone this ‘Michael Gunnison’ guy and tell him what a monster he is
July 10th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Good to hear Ed and Elaine Brown (Terrorist) were convicted today. It’s a pity tax payers have to pay for their imprisonment. They should be sent to the gallows and executed.
DonnaVanMeter Reply:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:53 am
the federal income tax doesnt pay your welfare check bitch, get over yourself. You should stfu about shit you just dont know about.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:21 am
“you monkeys only think you’re running the show” – Dennis McKenna
the unknown universe has different plans for everyone…
no one is exempt
July 10th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Oh my imagine this, an article speaking about the Browns on an alex jones site after basically turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to their plight over the past 2 years. Now its news worthy eh. Jones, you have stabbed a many of us in the back that are associated with the Browns and their supporters, and even firing those whom used to work for you that openly supported the Browns. We haven’t forgotten mr. Jones. Later today, there will be a meeting of the minds, several of those that used to be associated with GCN and jones co. will be getting together to make a little documentary about our dear Alex.
Free the Browns! Free their Supporters!
Princess Z.E.L.D.A Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 7:37 am
The Browns are criminals. Should have done Waco on them.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:41 am
NO ONE MAN OR GROUP OF MEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM ANOTHER. WE ARE ALL BORN FREE. ONLY THROUGH DECEPTION HAVE WE BECOME ROAMING SLAVES. CORPORATE OR NOT . WHAT EVER THEY WORKED FOR IS THEIRS. DON’T FEED THE ANIMALS. REMEMBER THAT GOD HIMSELF TOLD THE TAX COLLECTOR TO REPENT AND RETURN WHAT HE HAD TOOK WITH INTEREST. THE TAX COLLECTOR IS A RAVENING VIRUS THAT THRIVES ON YOUR IGNORANCE. ED AND ELAINE COUNTED ON THE MASSES TO COME TO THEIR AID. SORRY BROWNS. SORRY FOR OUR LACK OF BACK BONE. AND OUR PALE YELLOW SKIN. THE WHOLE TAX SYSTEM IS CORUPT AND DANGEROUS. WE ARE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THE LAW. WE ARE THE POWER. RIGHT. ONE REASONABLE SALES TAX IS ENOUGH WHEN PROPERLY SPENT. AUDIT THE FED AND IRS. MANDATORY AUDITS FOR ALL REPRESENTITVES IN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. GIVE THE FED AND IRS LIFE SENTENCES.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
THE N.W.O IS COMING TO GET US, STRAP URSELF IN FOR THE RIDE
THERS NOWHERE SAFE 4 US 2 GO, NOWHERE SAFE TO HIDE
THEY STAMP AND STAMP THERE WAY TO THE END, DRAGGING US ALL ALONG
THEY THINK THEY’VE GOT IT ALL WORKED OUT, THEY COULDNT BE MORE WRONG
THE PEOPLE THEY ARE AWAKENING, MORE AND MORE EACH DAY
BUT WHAT THE HELL CAN WE DO ALONE, EXCEPT GET ON KNEES AND PRAY
SO LETS GET TOGETHER NOW PEOPLE, WHY WE STILL CAN
WE NEED GROUPS OF THOUSANDS QUICK, BEFORE THE SHIT REALLY HITS THE FAN
SO WHEREVER YOU MAY BE IN THIS WORLD, STAND UP FOR UR RIGHT
AND PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR THE N.W.O MY FRIENDS, FOR ONE HELL OF A FIGHT
DOWN WITH N.W.O SCUM.
WarCloud Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Are you trying to spell WICCAN?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
I find it strange and sad that Alex Jones didn’t use his “MONEY BOMB” idea to help the Browns. He has all the connections…Charlie Sheen…Ron Paul…why didn’t he try to raise funds for the dream law team? Because perhaps Alex wants this example to show everyone that they are alone and they are being riled up by this website…to perhaps make them do dangerous things rather than legally fix things. I mean, their situation is a huge Psy-Op. Where was Alex other than asking them questions and telling people to help them…which put people in danger and in jail? Why didn’t he show up to their trial with cameras? Why didn’t he do a live feed from their home? Perhaps Alex realizes that they have caught all the stupid people…and this site is to bring out sleepers and thinkers. Once marked as a PrisonPlaneteer or InfoWarrior…you have ousted yourself to the powers that be. They know what you think now since we all believe or at least read and give time to “crazy” articles and ideas. Wouldn’t you set up a website that drew all your like-minded enemies out of the woodwork so that you can label them, redflag them, and do follow up spying?
Donna VamMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Red alert, we have one that “sees”
WarCloud Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
How much money did YOU send the Browns? Which gun position or bunker did you man the weapons in?
Donna VanMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
hmmmm lets see whats the going price for ones freedom, seeing how Cirino Gonzalez was sentenced to 8 years, being my better half, i have sacrificed a lot more than a few FRN’s and a whole lot more than jones.
WarCloud Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am
While I’m sorry and concerned for any personal trials and tribulations you personally may be going through, how is Alex Jones in any way responsible for you or your loved one? Sadly, there are thousands of people over the past decades who have been beaten, imprisoned, and murdered by the Federal Enforcers. You and your “better half” are but one story in thousands, tens of thousands in truth. I understand your personal bitterness, but how can Alex Jones select who to help and who not to help? You either help everyone, which is completely absurd and not possible, or you must help no one. Anyone who is waiting for a radio host to “come save them” is a fool. He’s a radio host. An entertainer. Why don’t you write to Jay Leno? Or better, see if Rush Limbaugh even gives a crap? Sean Hannity? Anybody? But thus is my point. Where is this “unity” i hear so much about? This “banding together?” Your man got 8 years, but others got shot dead. And all the big bad Freedom Movement can do is blog away? You better stop aiming your anger and bitterness at people like Jones who don’t have anything to do with every individual problem on Earth. All Alex is, is the watchman on the wall. He’s just yelling his head off about the Enemy at the Gates. It’s YOU people who have to man the parapets and risk YOUR lives, your fortunes, and your sacred Honor to keep your freedom. Which means you have to STOP BLOGGING, get up, leave the house, and DO SOMETHING. When Nixon looked out his window, he saw a million pissed off Americans calling for his head. What does Obama see out that same window?
Nothing at all.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
They should have done a better job. They should have set up MINES all around their property, rigged doors and windows to explode if an attempt to force them open. They should have dug a ’secret” tunnel from the house out for an escape rought then rigged the house to blow sky high. Yeah come and take it!!! Oh wait – then they would be terrorists…. Actually the would have been defendign themselves AGAINST the terrorists! This couple will just be made out to look like “cooks” – and be used as another reason to take our guns! People just don’t get it. The longer we sit and “be peaceful” – which is what they want the SLAVES to be – GET IT Alex? We need to take this country back! And I have a FIRST Amendment RIGHT to say this! The Constitution gives us the RIGHT to take the country back – so PISS OFF goverment shills!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Not allowed to defend yourself. Its against the law.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
PS what happaned to the right to have a speedy trial. They been sitting in jail what 2 years?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
“Their conduct has no place in a civil society” what so civil about our society? we worship weird rock move and tv “stars” gov steal our kids. we get tazered when officer retard stops us.the food we eat is killing us. i think mr gunnison mis spoke. it should go Their conduct has no place in a SLAVE SOCIETY. wake up mr gunnison the new world order wants to steal and eat your family also. come to the light it better over here you won’t have to fear man here.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:36 am
From The Very End Of The Article
“The Browns are scheduled to be sentenced to death on September 3.”
Are they seriously going to be killed for not paying taxes? Holy SHIT.
Inject this! Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am
No, they’re going to sentenced to a prison term so long, that they’ll end up dying in prison….
hence, a death sentence.
LIE Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
“The Browns are scheduled to be sentenced to death on September 3.”
I love how the author adds his own input… read the original article at CBS news website and you’ll see they added “death.”
This is exactly what I refer to when Alex Jones hosts media just as bad as everyone else. – LIES LIES LIES
July 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am
BlaBla BLa BLABLA because bla bla and furthermore bla blabla.
What it boils down to is….
Mr.T is right,
every infowarrior on a blog soap box preaching to one another
or sending concerns via keyboard to cyber neverland when they
witness a story of injustice, but very few do anything to help.
Blogging on this site is like being home alone watching TV and adding, repeating or responding to movie dialog because your different emotions are being entertained,
and when you come down off of your movie high and discussed your favorite scenes with your
buddies,
it’s “back to business as usual”, eat, sleep, fart, work, what ever.
Can’t wait for the next movie.
shannon fleming Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am
HERE! HERE! BLAH BLAH BLAH. THE FAMILIAR SOUND OF TRUTH. AHHH
House Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!What the fuck do you think YOU’RE doing?
I Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am
getting the info I need, calling people like you out, and moving on to do what I can to help myself, my family, my friends and other good people.
Now…
what the f**** are you doing besides reading posts to find an opening for a smart a** come back
because you really have nothing to say but want to be acknowledged House?
House Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
REALLY? What could someone of your obvious intelligence learn here? And how exactly was it you “called me out”? Who the fuck are you? G Gordon himself, perhaps Elliot Ness? Book ‘em Danno. What a fucking dillweed……
I do nothing other than make smartassed remarks to posts made by morons telling others what they should be doing….HAHAHA! Goddamn boy, you’re funny!
Read your last line….then explain all the wisdom you’ve added with your posts dumbfuck!
House Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Maybe you should be watching Red Dawn, or Rambo again…HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
ScrewyL Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
“Doing what you can to help yourself, your family, your friends…”
–and yet you assume you are the only one on all of Infowars doing so?!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am
They are but the first. They resisted their slavery, and are paying the price for so doing. The disaffection by now should be general enough that the slavery should end, but yet we stand silent. Cowardice, perhaps? Fear of consequences? Does it matter so long as we are still slaves?
That right to keep and bear arms was a right of self-protection, a right that transcends statuses imposed by the government, and is reserved to the people for the purpose of resisting tyranny.
How much longer are we willing to be slaves?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
it is a sad day when we convict fellow americans for standing up for what is right.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
It’s funny as I read the comments that there are so many people that are ready to “Rock ‘N’ Roll” with the oppressive government. There is allot of trash talking and verbage of bringing on the bio attacks. Why? Have yoy ever actually been thru such drills? I have junior mint, and it isn’t fun staying in MOPP gear for 72+ hours when you have to drop a deuce ! Then the DECON phase, are you prepared for that, do you have the essential materials for a proper decon? STFU please!
Intead of running your pie hole about killing people, which I see far too much here, and I just shake my head, dammit I’m trying to quit smoking, and you buffoons post the intent to commit murder ! Extract head from ASS! Organize off the grid FFS and know who you are talking to, get to know some good Law enforcement and let them in on the REAL DEAL. VAMPIRE KILLER 2000
http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/vk2k.shtml I have 15 converted right now ! and they are working their friends, Oath Keepers….
Keep a low profile, and wait for the right time please, just stop talking about whacking people, bad JUJU bro.
I Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Here Here!
Bunch of fake A** windbags.
shannon fleming Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
WHO ? YOU?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
free the browns
July 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Why does the las line say “sentenced to death” when the original AP report just says “sentenced”
Why are you putting the word death in when the report never said that…
Im all for you INFOWARS but i dont like this BS when it gets played with like this…
Truthster Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Uh, I think he meant because on this day they begin their prison term, that is essentially a death sentence for a couple in their sixties, not to be taken literally! You need to learn to read between the lines or learn to discern.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
It’s a sad day in the USA for those that believe in liberty.
To think all of this came about because they asked the un-holy question of
“Show us the Law”
I heard Ed during one interview say that he was more than willing to pay any and all taxes he just wanted them to show him the law.
Has God abandoned this country?
Why are these things happening?
What/Where did we go wrong ?
I’m calling for September 1 2009 to be a National Day of Prayer and fasting.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am
seriously we are a bunch of fucking mindless cowards! just sit back and bow your heads… don’t worry when your time comes most of this piece of shit country won’t give a damn about you either!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Like Alex has said many times, the (unConstitutional) IRS is like the Mafia…if you don’t pay up, you get clipped (one way or another). I’m not surprised the Feds threw the book at them. It’s disheartening, but expected.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
They should play the video in court where Harry Reid says paying taxes is voluntary…..
Jae Mackensie Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
exactly!!! That’s awesome.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Ive talked to Ed Brown in the last weeks of the stand off. And there was no gettting into his head. He knew what he was going to get into. And he stood by it. I do not believe in Taxes and I feel he stood up for a good fight. Later in life the Browns Vs USA will be studied in colleges all over.
Also you dont have cook outs and invite morons into your house when the Gov is out to kill you. He trusted to much. Sad part is no one who fought for them will continue to fight for them. We might see a few more clips on here about them then thats it. History.
shannon fleming Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
NO THEY WANT BE USING THIS AS A STUDY MATERIAL. WHY? BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUTURE FOR IT. HISTORY IS MADE FOR FOR THE BLIND AND DEAF .
July 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
“Sentenced to death on September 9th” ?
Another example of hyping the story up a little too much. It makes it sound like they are getting the chair or the gas chamber.
Hopefully they will have an opportunity to appeal while they are in jail. I didn’t follow the story but I hope they had good attorneys.
If people are really concerned about this injustice, they will stand up and help the Browns. You know, even Sherry Peel Jackson, the IRS Agent (http://www.sherrypeeljackson.com/) is serving time herself. So , Where is the WE THE PEOPLE FOUNDATION ?Is anyone fighting to get these folks out of prison?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am
It just goes to show how much compassion this government has when it comes to lining the pockets of there masters, there day will come I have no doubt.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I have a hard time understanding Lawyers, Why is it that there is no “Good” lawyer that will just stand up and fight for people like this? It comes down always to MONEY
July 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Guilty!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am
I performed at Ed and Elaine’s home in July 2007 and they were such wonderful people. This is truly sad.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
– Thomas Jefferson
July 10th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Well I guess nobody wants to read the sad truth about themselves, so now they delete it.
In brief, there is no unity, there is no banding together. Look at this one subject. It’s like herding cats. You all can’t walk down the same side of the road.
When the Colonel tells the Lieutenant over the radio to attack, thousands of armed and armored soldiers will move as one, shoot as one, kill as one. They will not argue philosophy or religion or post links to unrelated subjects. They won’t stand in the field with hands held high waiting for Jesus to rapture them.
They will empty the magazines and cannons into you without blinking an eye. While YOU all run about helter-skelter arguing about what to do.
I’m a veteran. A tank crewman. You don’t have any idea what you’re up against. And until you stop all this petty crap and move AS ONE, you are all doomed.
shannon fleming Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
THANK YOU!!!!! A HOUSE DIVIDE CAN’T STAND!!!!!
www.riotusa.org Reply:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Damn right!! This is an attack against ALL OF US!! Shame on all who don’t fight! It is in the spitit of Tania that I say “Patria o muerte venceremos!!! SLA
July 10th, 2009 at 11:35 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
July 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am
god will not hold us unaccountable for inaction
I am ashamed we did not do more to bring attention to this situation.
My prayers are with you Elaine & Ed
July 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Maybe if you all put your money where your typing fingers are, Mr. Jones wouldn’t need to take the advertising dollars of the enemy. If you have only a million listeners, and each one sends in only a dollar a month, you’re on the air free and clear. And answer to no one.
I guess you all can’t afford a dollar.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Wow. I guess History is now unacceptable here at the Jones house.
Not the way to KEEP YOUR JOB, Mr Moderator.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Nothing will be done. Nothing will ever be done. The masses have been too heavily sedated. The opium of the mass media has succeeded in robbing us of our political will and have rendered the people of The U. S. vegetables and addicts dependent on their next fix of Jerry Springer and Moesha. We now seem to have the Midas touch but in reverse. Everything we touch turns to shit. The people have always had the right to vote on the law (the justice of that law) as well as the facts in the case. When a judge can successfully instruct a jury to vote on the facts only and to take the law as he gives it to them then that jury has in effect been rendered impotent and becomes little more than a rubber stamp for the court.
Ram Emmanuelle Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
As further proof of my assertion with respect to the powers of the jury, here’s the definition of JURY from Webster’s 1828 dictionary:
JU’RY, n. [L. juro, to swear.] A number of freeholders, selected in the manner prescribed by law, empaneled and sworn to inquire into and try any matter of fact, and to declare the truth on the evidence given them in the case. Grand juries consist usually of twenty four freeholders at least, and are summoned to try matters alleged in indictments. Petty juries, consisting usually of twelve men, attend courts to try matters of fact in civil causes, and to decide both the law and the fact in criminal prosecutions. The decision of a petty jury is called a verdict.
Of course, don’t try finding this definition in your modern dictionaries as they are constantly being either altered or taken out completely.
The keywords “Webster’s 1828 Dictionary” will take you to their website. Wake up, people!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
The “Live Free or Die” state should be ashamed of itself. The twisted ruling seems like an opportunity to get turned over upon judicial review, since they weren’t convicted of the tax charges. Perhaps the judge inadvertently/subversively did this knowing it held no validity, and could be challenged on constitutional grounds.
If not, it just made all gun owners criminals.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I would like to say after spending well over a month with Ed and Elaine during the stand-off i’ve met few people with the will to do right than these folks. Their stand is and was correct legally speaking however since we live in this world we will battle with the control freaks who want to steal all you have and if one is too blind to see, well obviously they will believe lies perpetuating mis conceptions of reality; the reality is these good people sacrificed everything for a correct principle however the unprincipled will never see a correct concept fpr all too often they are to busy trying to prove they’re always right.
In this case the government is wrong for incarcerating innocent people but whether that be true or not we do know the IRS and federal reserve is a criminal operation stealing and killing for their WILL be done.
I’m not sure Ed would like being labeled with patriot or any other such thing, no, I think Ed would like being remembered as one who had the courage to stand for what he believed to be true and against all tyrants.
Elaine, well she is and was a brave women, the wealth and freedom she sacrificed for the rightness of goverening of sovereign people is a far cry from,than most who write here and those who would make smart remarks, willfully exposing their limited knowledge and perhaps their limited intellegence, will ever accomplish in this life.
Bless them do not curse them!
August Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Right On !
Donna VanMeter Reply:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Thank you Yahkob, more people whom were so fortunate to get to know the Browns should be more vocal about the kind of people these two are. I know your a good soul, reno said so. I hope the Browns will appeal this mess.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Hey folks, I think we should all get a least 500 people or more per county and circle every sheriffs office in every county in this nation and demand him to take off the gold fringed flag off his shirt and restate his oath of office to the people, if he won’t do that then you must place him under arrest and jail him as soon as possible and re elect a new sheriff……………………………..
The sheriff should have never let the Browns be attacked by these fed freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and never let them enter there county!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
They have done nothing wrong; the ILLEGAL US GOVERNMENT’s time is coming!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
…they can’t show us “the law” because
the “Fed” -and- “IRS” ARE 1000% FAKE!
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The fed + irs = F–alse E–vidence A–ppearing R–eal.
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Dvine Deliverance for: Ed-and-Elaine Brown, citizen-patriots, NOW!!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
The reason they can’t show the Browns, Us, the law
is because it was -and- IS 1000% FAKE, meaning:
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The fed + irs = F_alse E_vidence A_ppearing R_eal.
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Divine Deliverance for Ed-and-Elaine Brown, NOW!!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Another couple falsely imprisoned by a system designed to keep us slaves to a hand full of monsters. We better start joining up with eachother and stop squabbling amongst one another or we’re all dead ala IRS with FBI enforcer goons.
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July 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
“The Browns are scheduled to be sentenced to death on September 3. ”
could this be the spark that ignites the tax revolt and then the revolution?
Timely….
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
So, the Browns feared that the government wanted to kill them, and they are now expected to be sentenced to death at the hands of that very government.
It seems that the jury, judge and agents of the government are complicit in a deadly hypocrisy.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Not only is this a sad story for freedom but if you notice when you link to the story on the cbs comment board there is a lot of people on their agreeing with what the fed has done to the Browns. Amazes me how many sheep in America their actually is with some comments like…
by antoniof123 July 9, 2009 12:17 PM PDT
“These 2 are too dumb to be left alone and outside without a lease.
Please lock them up so they can not harm themselves or others.”
by steeepe July 9, 2009 4:51 PM PDT
“You want to live in America, you have to pay taxes. Don’t want to pay taxes? Face the consequences or move!”
hahahahaha wow see that is true nwo mind fucked right there and most people don’t get
that their is no code of law for income tax yet most believe it is American as apple pie…..sshhheeeeepppppllllllleeeeee
July 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
To Donna VM. thank you, if you’re in touch with reno tell him i send my best his way.
What i stated concerning Ed & Elaine is truth. when you live in the same house, sleep and eat etc. you truly learn to know people for who and what they are, they are the best people possible and should be regarded with respect. I would ask others; what has been their sacrifice? And for those who refuse to realize this truth need to accept reality and give up their illusions.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquance, it is force!
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
Donna VanMeter Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Yahkob, will do, he calls several times a day so I can tend to things for him as far as research materials and to tend to personal matters. we have about 3-4 minutes per a call to take care of all our matters. He has been keeping pretty busy while inside, not letting his imprisonment slow him down, actually his activism has gone full throttle. The past few days has been particularly rough on me while he like a buddha has been the voice of sanity for me. I am sure he will be glad to hear from you. Heres his address if you would like to write to him.
Cirino Gonzalez 76342-179
FCI EL RENO
FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
P.O. BOX 1500
EL RENO, OK 73036
July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
There are three little words every citizen of this nation need remember,
Strike terror into the heart of EVERY enemy of Our Republic
” We The People” NOT WE THE SHEEPLE. If you think this is actually as bad as the shit gets, go now,
run don’t walk, where? to the nearest camp, go on now step up and be the first of your bloodline to volunteer. NO?? than YOU DAMN WELL BETTER BE WILLING TO FIGHT…. DID THE MINUTE MEN RUN FOR THEIR KEYBOARDS?…………… Learn that… GOOD GUN CONTROL IS BEING ABLE TO HIT YOUR TARGET…
And remember As an American …… speak less of your RIGHTS…and MORE, MUCH MORE of your……..
……….RESPONSIBILITIES as an AMERICAN…… FREEDOM HAS NEVER BEEN FREE if your mama told you it was….. she lied.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
am i reading this right they are going to be sentenced to DEATH sept 3.
Mestizo Blanco Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 3:53 am
“Both face mandatory minimum 30-year prison sentences on that charge alone, amounting to a virtual death sentence for the Browns, who are in their 60s.”
I think the author meant that a 30 year sentence is equivalent to a death sentence.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:47 am
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/
Can't reason with tyrants Reply:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I gotta say Alex,…the closing line of this article is misleading.
I’m suspicious of the apparant hype when reality is bad enough. Misreporting details is a Dan Rather move….
July 11th, 2009 at 11:15 am
When Nixon looked out his window, he saw a million pissed off Americans calling for his head. What does Obama see out that same window?
Nothing at all.
July 18th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Modern day Martyrs of a corrupt oppressing government……sentenced to death for non payment of a phony means to take $$$ from the poor and make them poorer. Very sad indeed.