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Ex-FBI Agent: Why I Support a New 9/11 Investigation
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In the absence of my being there in New York City to stand with the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors, I offer the following statement in support of your goal of a new investigation into the attacks of September 11th and the NYC CAN campaign to place it on the ballot for November.
At the time of 9-11, I had been an FBI agent for over 20 years. My main responsibilities by then were teaching criminal procedure to FBI agents and other law enforcement officers, mostly about 4th Amendment search and seizure, 5th and 6th Amendment law of interrogation, right to attorney and constitutional protection of rights to “free speech”, due process, habeas corpus, and against cruel and unusual punishment. A week before 9-11, I and the rest of the FBI’s ethics instructors were mandated (as a result of an earlier public FBI scandal) to give a one hour PowerPoint presentation, a form of remedial training on “law enforcement ethics” which I accomplished in a fairly perfunctory way, just reading the slides.
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After 9-11, with the knowledge I had of the bitter internal dispute inside the FBI that was being hushed up but had kept some of our better agents from possibly uncovering more of the 9-11 plot before it happened, I couldn’t forget two of the slides in that Law Enforcement ethics curriculum: “DO NOT: Puff, Shade, Tailor, Firm up, Stretch, Massage, or Tidy up statements of fact.” And “Misplaced Loyalties: As employees of the FBI, we must be aware that our highest loyalty is to the United States Constitution. We should never sacrifice the truth in order to obtain a desired result (e.g. conviction of a defendant) or to avoid personal or institutional embarrassment.”
The official dissembling and excuse-making about the true causes and prior mistakes that gave rise to and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen, almost immediately ushered in the Bush-Cheney Administration’s egregious and lawless, post 9-11 “war on terror” agenda which bore no connection to the original causes and no connection to the goal of reducing terrorism and making the world safer. When I got a chance, about 8 ½ months after 9-11 to tell what I knew, I did so and my disclosures led to further investigation by the Department of Justice Inspector General and figured in the 9-11 Commission Report.
But it was way too late for this emerging bit of truth that has continued to leak out in dribs and drabs to have any impact. The laws themselves, especially the criminal procedure ones rooted in the Constitution that I had spent my career teaching to law enforcement, have largely gone up in smoke. Having seen the cost of remaining silent, I publicly warned, a few months after my first memo, against launching the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. But false agendas had already filled the vacuum created by lack of truth. And we are still dealing with the disastrous consequences of these unjustified, pre-emptive wars.
Let me therefore simply repeat the request I made to the Senate Judiciary Committee in June 2002: “Foremost, we owe it to the public, especially the victims of terrorism, to be completely honest. I can only imagine what these crime and terrorism victims continue to go through. They deserve nothing but the complete, unfettered truth.”
Therefore, I fully support the 9/11 families, first responders, survivors and over 60,000 other New Yorkers who have endorsed a new 9/11 investigation in New York City as advanced by ballot referendum this coming November election.
Coleen Rowley is a former FBI staff attorney who turned whistle-blower after witnessing repeated failures within the bureau to properly investigate alleged 9/11 co-conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui. She was one of three Time Magazine Persons of the Year in 2002.
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July 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Great Scott!
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I like the thrill, the thriller of Michael Jackson the thrill of Bohemian Grove and the thrill of being suckered in the belief that my 7-headed 10-horned servant (the governments) is the only force you can trust.
http://www.christianmedia.us/devil-face.html
jimshores Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Satan, you have trained your little devils well; unfortunately for you and them, you only know how to lie,cheat, steal and murder. The THRILL IS GONE (or will soon be).
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I know but as corporations
( http://video.google.com/videop.....orporation )
I am too a psycho so I am gonna bring down anyone I can and I don’t have to do much it’s enough if you miss the true religion and I created millions for you, good luck finding it and the true one is part of an allaged conspiracy so you gonna believe it is just another one. I have an IQ of about 1.000.000 so good luck…who am I kidding 7 billion will die HAHAHA only a few million will live Darn it.
Pat D NH Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Yeah, when iq’s get above 500,000, people start having a hard time spelling.
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:12 am
Dude I speak like 10s of thousands of languages even dead ones, I am allowed to have a few mistakes, when you can speak at least 4, just 4 on the level I speak all of it you are allowed to comment.
Ben Bernake Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Actually he only has an IQ of 1….his post says 1.000.000 not 1,000,000
That’s why Satan uses the fed, he’s not good w numbers
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Ben it’s a regional number format thing.
the real reconmarine Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
How can Jews have done 911? They were busy Pimping others kidneys and enterprise corruption. Mayors, rabbis arrested in NJ corruption probe
By Edith Honan
1 hr 34 mins ago
NEWARK (Reuters) – Dozens of New Jersey politicians, officials and prominent rabbis were arrested on Thursday in a sweeping federal probe that uncovered political corruption, human organ sales and money laundering from New York to Israel, officials said.
The 10-year investigation, dubbed “Operation Bid Rig,” exposed influence-peddling and bribe-taking among a network of public officials and a separate multimillion dollar money-laundering ring that funneled funds through charities operated by local rabbis, said the U.S. Attorney’s office in Newark, New Jersey.
The cast of the 44 arrested featured Hoboken, New Jersey, Mayor Peter Cammarano, who took office three weeks ago in the industrial city visible across the Hudson River from New York.
Others accused were mayors of nearby Secaucus and Ridgefield, state Assemblymen, a deputy mayor, city council members, housing, planning and zoning officials, building inspectors and political candidates.
“New Jersey’s corruption problem is one of the worst, if not the worst, in the nation,” said Ed Kahrer, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s white collar crime and public corruption program in New Jersey, who has worked on the investigation since it began in July 1999.
“It has become ingrained in New Jersey’s political culture,” he said, calling corruption “a cancer.”
Central to the investigation was an informant who was charged with bank fraud in 2006 and posed undercover as a real estate developer and owner of a tile business who paid off officials to win project approval and public contracts in northern New Jersey, according to documents in the case.
The public officials stand accused of taking bribes for pledging their help getting permits and projects prioritized and approved or steering contracts to the witness.
“CULTURE OF CORRUPTION”
In scenes that could have been lifted from the hit TV series “The Sopranos,” about New Jersey organized crime, they met in diners, parking lots, even bathrooms, officials said.
“The politicians willingly put themselves up for sale,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Ralph Marra. “The victims are the average citizens and the honest business people in this state. They don’t have a chance in this culture of corruption.”
The public corruption uncovered by the informant led him to the separate money-laundering network by rabbis who operated between Brooklyn, Deal, New Jersey, and Israel, authorities said. They laundered some $3 million for the undercover witness between June 2007 and July 2009, authorities said.
“These complaints paint a disgraceful picture of religious leaders heading money laundering crews acting as crime bosses,” Marra said. “They used purported charities, entities supposed set up to do good works as vehicles for laundering millions of dollars in illicit funds.”
HUMAN KIDNEY SALES
Rabbis accused of money-laundering were Saul Kassin, chief rabbi of a large Syrian Jewish synagogue in Brooklyn; Eliahu Ben Haim, principal rabbi of a synagogue in Deal; Edmund Nahum, principal rabbi of another synagogue in Deal; and Mordchai Fish, a rabbi at a synagogue in Brooklyn.
The probe also uncovered Levy Izhak Rosenbaum of Brooklyn, who is accused of conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant. According to the complaint, Rosenbaum said he had been brokering sale of kidneys for 10 years.
“His business was to entice vulnerable people to give up a kidney for $10,000 which he would turn around and sell for $160,000,” said Marra.
Several of the public officials were accused of taking bribes of just $10,000, authorities said. Cammarano, at 31 the youngest ever mayor of Hoboken, was charged with taking $25,000 in bribes, including $10,000 last Thursday.
Most of those accused were arrested in a sweep across New Jersey by more than 300 federal agents early on Thursday and were slated to appear in court in Newark throughout the day.
The first 12 of the defendants, including Cammarano, appeared shackled before U.S. Magistrate Judge Madeline Cox Arleo. Cammarano rocked back and forth in his chair but betrayed no emotion.
They were granted bail ranging from $100,000 to $500,000.
Karen Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
http://www.vote3rdpartynow.org/9-11.html
Odoyle Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I agree man
DavidVSgoliath Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
FORGET THE PROGRAMMED RELIGION TERMS OF SATAN AND GOD… THERE TERMS USED SHOULD BE : RIGHT & WRONG.
david wekch Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
the thrill of being suckered? i don’t get it,,,,,,, the govt blows up buildings and lots of folks are murdered and then they tell the public 19 kids did it and some how you think its thrilling? the human mind is amazing
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:12 am
Human?!
Adam Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Maybe you should try writing in one of the other tens of thousands of languages you speak Santa because English clearly isn’t the best for you. Maybe one of those dead ones you refer to! Given your English grammar skills and the tone of your other message may I suggest the number of languages you speak is clearly no real measurement of intelligence!! ‘You can comment when you speak even 4 on the level I do’ – Well you can comment when you wake up from your religious coma you f*ckin brainwashed idiot!!!
Santa or Satan Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Yeah right I doesn’t exist good boy I already got you.
Fred Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
“Well you can comment when you wake up from your religious coma you f*ckin brainwashed idiot!!!”
And that ’s coming from someone with a Hebrew name strait out of the “religious” coma-inducing Bible.
Good thing it wasn’t Barney who posted this. I might have gone into a purple coma.
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Does she know there were NO PLANES used in the 9-11 attacks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65M_smGewo
the fire and the sigh Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
let it go buddy.
The Steamroller of Truth rolls slow but strong…
Mass kudos to Coeen.
TWNCPONE Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Proust: ” 2 planes hit the towers WTC1 & 2″
Response: That is a LIE! There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. You are repeating what George W. Bush told you on the morning of 9-11. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. You must stop the lying. Just like there were WMD’s in Iraq…..there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. They were both lies to spend trillions and kill millions in a never ending global war. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. The war on terror is based on a lie. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11.
woo hoo Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
what is it with u NO planes on 9-11 ppl ?
i mean seriously.. have u not got homes to go too.. parents not love u ? wtf is ur deal ?
huh Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:10 am
woo hoo….thats nice….a put down, ridicule, statements about the messenger personally? Rather than talk about the FACT that not one single piece of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 has EVER been verified by ANYONE….that’s irrelevant and instead I will use personal attacks? This is the standard procedure of a shill.
There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. What that means woo hoo is that your precise war on terror is based a lie that you wonderfully soaked up from Pres. Bush on the morning of 9-11. There were no commercial planes on 9-11.
Tricpone Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
“You must stop the lying. Just like there were WMD’s in Iraq”
Someone told me there were no WMD’s in Iraq, and I repeated it. I must stop lying.
someone told me there were WMD’s in Iraq, and I repeated it. I must stop lying.
My good hands are not idle Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:28 am
Your disinfo campaign parroting “Alex is a ‘liar’ because there were no commercial planes on 9/11″ is over. Alex and Crew have done more to bring you the truth regarding that very subject than any other entity. Here are 10 reasons your strawman is blown. Infowarriors, repost as necessary.
1. “The United States government alleges that 4 registered Boeing commercial passenger aircraft were used in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, yet has failed to produce any physical evidence collected from the 3 9/11 crash scenes positively tied to these federally registered United and American airlines aircraft.”
-Infowars article February 26, 2008: 9/11 Aircraft ‘Black Box’ Serial Numbers Mysteriously Absent
2. Infowars reported that the government officially could not account for any wreckage that conclusively belonged to any of the purported flights.
-Infowars article March 18, 2008: F.B.I. Elaborates On Reportedly Absent 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage Recovery & Identification Records
Not enough? Let’s look INDIVIDUALLY at what Infowars has reported about ‘commercial planes’ and the “official story” of 9/11.
——-WTC 1 / American Airlines Flight 11——-
3. Infowars let you know that according to American Airlines flight 11 was not possible.
-Infowars article: “American Airlines – 9/11 Never Happened”
——–WTC 2 / United Airlines Flight 175——-
4. Registration was reported valid by Boeing until 09/28/2005 when according to them it was “Canceled” and “Exported”.
-Infowars article July 6, 2006: Very Strange 9/11 Aircraft Registrations
5. Tail number N612UA and FAA-registered as still valid.
-Infowars article June 14, 2005: Former Bush Admin Economist Says Official Story of WTC Collapse ‘Bogus’
6. Alleged 9/11 hijacker Hamza Al-Ghamdi had booked future flights which brings into question if he was on the flight at all.
-Infowars article Feb 28, 2008: Alleged Hijacker Booked On Post-9/11 Flights
————Shanksville / United 93————-
7. Infowars let you know that the Mayor of Shanksville refutes there even was a plane.
-Infowars article Sept 19, 2004: Mayor of Shanksville says “There was no plane”
8. Flight 93’s registration was also reported valid by Boeing until 09/28/2005 when according to them it was “Canceled” and “Exported”.
-Infowars article July 6, 2006: Very Strange 9/11 Aircraft Registrations
————-Pentagon / Flight 77————–
9. Alex has never maintained that a commercial plane hit the Pentagon. Alex holds that debating if it was a missile or a predator or anything else is an endless pursuit. That said, he and everyone else have gone to great lengths to discredit the story of Hani Hanjour out manning and out piloting Charles Burlingame. An example of this position is this article:
-Infowars article July 7, 2009: How the FBI and 9/11 Commission Suppressed Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour
10. And now one just for you ‘Mr. Alex is a liar because there were No Commercial Planes’,
Strawman: Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent’s position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent’s actual position has been refuted.
-Source Wikipedia
ISeeker Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Yea right! These 2 college girls must be CIA agents then! No planes? Give me a break! I found over 13 different views of the buildings when the planes hit! All CIA agents? What is your theory on what happened to the passengers and the pilots then? All CIA agents? Right!
They’re all sitting on some tropical island drinking rum? The government knew prior to the attacks but they didn’t need to FAKE airplanes! It was real!
Don’t make us look like fools by saying there were no aircraft involved! My cousin was in his office and called me when the first plane hit and I was talking to him when he said” There’s another plane…..HOLY FKIN s---! Another plane just hit the other tower!! I have to go!!!”
He must be a CIA agent to and his mission was to call me specifically in order to convince just me that 2 planes hit the WTC’s!!!
Genius!!
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Thanks for the vid, but I did not see a plane!
Could you point it out for me?
please stfu Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Can you say “photoshop” you f---ing retard?
Now STFU, nobody wants to hear your bulls--- anymore.
please stfu Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
That clip wasn’t even edited. It was just shot from the opposite side of the building, where the plane wasn’t visible.
f---ing dick nosed idiot. Please STFU.
please stfu Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Moron.
I don’t believe there was a plane involved in the attack on the pentagon.
Why don’t you investigate that attack and find us some footage of what really happened instead of wasting our time.
Thousands of people died that day, and hundreds of thousands if not more than a million have been murdered as a result of the “attacks”.
And you come to this website with your not so subtle schtick about “no planes, no planes”, completely disregarding the truth, the victims of 911 and the subsequent wars in order to do what? Get some attention? Discredit the truth movement? Are you doing it for money?
I hope you are a child, as it would be easy to forgive a child for this type of behavior. If you are a grown man or woman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
The trolls are out Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
There were no commercial planes on 9/11.
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
There were NO PLANES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
mil planes Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I think the key issue is that no COMMERCIAL planes hit the buildings. It appeared that they were military planes. THey had explosives at the nose of them that detonated just at impact. Loose Change videos show this fairly clearly.
ImpactFlash Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
http://911review.com/errors/phantom/flash.html
Disco Stew Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
there were no nose.
deplanedeplane Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
That’s what I heard.
jimshores Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
You are just kidd’n right? What do you seek? It is certainly not the TRUTH. How is everything down at the CIA (CRIMINALS IN ABUNDANCE)?
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
The reason it is important to maintain the lies of planes in NYC is because it would expose the military corporation owned US media to charges of conspiracy to commit mass murder. Remember that on the morning of 9/11 the only people interviewed that saw “planes” were media personnel and executives. Without the US media’s help in promoting the Deception Execution Cycle of “planes” on 9/11….the military and government would never have gotten away with anything. At the Pentagon “plane” witnesses were also media executives.
Readers of this forum…..never forget that the US military spends $5 billion dollars a year hiring 1000’s of people to promote the “Lies of 9/11″. They are instructed to form truth groups, infiltrate truth groups, start and post forums, write and stage media opportunities (marketing), and sometimes suggest targets that should be neutralized (killed). Read the violent reaction when someone objects to “no commercial planes on 9/11″. Did these same people violently object when someone mentioned “No WMD’s in Iraq”? I doubt it. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. The never ending war on terror is based on a lie. Homeland security agency, TSA, wiretapping, torture, renditions, trillions spent, millions killed…..ALL based on a staged and fabricated lie. That’s why the military spends $5 billion a year…they stand to lose TRILLIONS in “income” should the fact that there were no commercial planes on 9/11 reach critical mass.
RYE BREW Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:57 am
I agree that “the never ending war on terror is based on a lie,” but where are you getting this information about billions of dollars spent to hire 1000’s of people to disinfo 9/11? Guy, give some reference to this information or STFU, cuz you are acting like one of the 1000 paid dicks…learn basic composition when quoting facts and numbers otherwise they are worthless statements. Don’t f---in reply to this unless you can prove your statements!!!!
interesting Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Rye….are you asking that poster to give you the reference of black-op military spending? If that person did they would be under arrest. The US military now has an $80 Billion dollar black-op budget which means no one on the planet can ever reference what they do regarding 9-11. I like how you need verification of statements. When was the last time you got verification of the debris from the planes on 9/11? I bet you’ve never asked about that?
deplanedeplane Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:45 am
RYE BREW.
They are getting this information from themselve because they are with those “1000’s of people to promote the “Lies of 9/11″
WIGAN (UK) PATRIOT Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
WERE IS THE PLANE THEN ISEEKER ??????????????
Old American Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Planes? No planes!!! WHAT ABOUT BUILDING 7?????? CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT THE f--- HAPPEND TO BUILDING 7?? WHY IS OUR GOV. NOT QUESTIONING BUILDING f---ING SEVEN???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crito Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Yeah, stay focused on the bomb-blast hardened former command HQ building that everyone agrees no plane hit. WTC 7 was clearly a professional demolition job. That’s an irrefutable FACT. Anyone who argues otherwise is either a brainwashed zombie or a disinfo agent who’s obfuscating the truth deliberately.
Don’t waste time debating issues that can’t be proved either way. Corner them with something they can’t squirm their way out of. Of course, keep in mind that Rosie O’Donnell’s career was over within months of revealing that she thought 9-11 was an inside job too. And she has a lot more money and influence than you do. Seems even loud mouthed lesbo liberals are hitting a brick wall with the media on this topic.
It’s just not open for discussion.
http://www.defendrosie.com/info.html
conformorbecastout Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:33 am
“Don’t waste time debating issues that can’t be proved either way” Yea! …like debating the issue the “there were no planes on 9/11″ people debate, that they cannot by their own admission, prove or verify
Nothing like trying to prove a negative to make one’s self dizzy.
Ben Bernake Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:12 am
freejack bitches
IBSammyG Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
To any honest gov spook reading this forum go dig up the info on the employees from global hawk who were killed on one of the 9/11 planes. Also about flight 93 I saw an interview on 9/11 from a mother or mother-in-law who was telling the story of her daughter. Her daughter was talking on the phone with her daughter’s husband and he was saying that they were going to rush the cockpit and take back the plane. Just as he was telling his wife this he said there was a “Puff of smoke on the wing and it looks like we are going in”
Jake Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“Does she know there were NO PLANES used in the 9-11 attacks!”
She knows you are COINTELPRO though, thats for sure. (Or very very stupid – Which one you prefer to be?).
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6q9_r3oU6M
right on Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
right on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OsXrjQ4l7I
keep Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:01 am
A common tactic of Cointelpro is to accuse others of being Cointelpro. It constantly keeps others on the defensive. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. Anyone who mentions that truth will be called Cointelpro because that truth is exceptionally damaging.
giveaway Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
A common tactic of Cointelpro is to accuse others of being Cointelpro. It constantly keeps others on the defensive. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. Anyone who mentions that truth will be called Cointelpro because that truth is exceptionally damaging
Another common tactic of Cointelpro is to accuse others of being Cointelpro when they mention the truth that it can’t be proven or disproven there were no planes on 9/11.
Du bist einfach Hässlech Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
She didn’t mentino planes but she did talk about those flying saucers that flew into the Pentagon.
Dumbass
jimshores Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
You ought to know a dumbass when you see one, being one your ownself.
Du bist einfach Hässlech Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
It was sarcasm asshole
deplanedeplane Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:51 am
And all this time I thought the “no planes on 9/11″ people were above calling people names and personally insulting them.
WhyoWhy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Videos have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane crash. Only the debris and wreckage does. There are over 3 million serial ID stamped parts to a standard 757-767 200ER. That’s almost 12 million parts that can verify ANY of these 4 commercial planes on 9/11?!! NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE HAS EVER BEEN VERIFIED IN ANY WAY FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS ON 9/11. The lie is over……..
The US invaded Afghanistan based on the lie that there were commercial planes on 9/11. That was a lie. The war on terror is a fraud. The US must end the 8 year war in Afghanistan now that the WORLD KNOWS that there were no commercial planes on 9/11.
becauseobecause Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
“The US must end the 8 year war in Afghanistan now that the WORLD KNOWS that there were no commercial planes on 9/11″
So go tell they them those who started the war and it will end.
becausebecause Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Did you tell em yet?
NatureBoy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
the planes on 9-11 were holograms. it was a GRAND ILLUSION
nobody died on planes it was made up, so was the box-cutter highjacking story
it was all done on computers to make you think planes hit, they blew up the buildings by firing missles at it (just like the pentagon) and with explosives set inside ahead of time..thats it, end of story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
davidicke.com
response to natureboy Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:03 am
David Icke still maintains that there were commercial planes on 9/11. That is a lie. Be careful who you reference.
NatureBoy Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am
putting his website has what to do with what i said about 9-11 exactly?
boyofnature Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
thats it end of story? Man I hate it when a good story ends.
STAN Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Notice how you see NTSBfor911truth.com?
STAN Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
NOT!
Even the autopsies were flawed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
And that’s exactly what transpired in the strange and unexplainable autopsy investigation of the Flight 77 passengers, conducted essentially in the cover of darkness by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP).
And after reading the report, it is filled with so many inconsistencies and generalities that it makes one wonder why Calley and the other family members – not a single one of them – ever insisted on independent DNA proof, matching the remains held by the government with that of their loved ones.
In fact, the AFIP in its report dated November 16, 2001, incredibly said it positively identified nearly all the bodies, including the Flight 77 passengers, a medical feat which several medical experts considered miraculous if not, impossible, considering the short amount of time and the amount of devastation at the crime scene.
Odoyle Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Do all those people still go to bohemian grove each year
Real Heroes Need Apply-- America is Lacking Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Ex-FBI??? Yeah, f--- you Coleen Rowley, you’re no hero or help to America. Maybe you shoulda thought about being a whistleblower with some guts WHILE you were in the agency. s--- like this makes me mad, buncha f---in cowards in the forces, all of them. You see something’s wrong, you know something’s wrong, but what do you do? Just sit down and shut up and pretend like it’s not there. No sense of honor, no sense of real duty to the American people, just sense of self-preservation for your career and livelihood… yeah f--- you Rowley. Worthless. Bring agents willing to blow the whistle while they’re still employed with the Feds, then I’ll show you real heroes.
meyers finder Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
with a screen name like “real heros need apply–america is lacking”"
its clear this woman works for the cia or some other counter intelligence program.
her technique is used to distract theconversation with mindless attacks.
meyers finder Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
she just got herself put on the terror watch list…
ya know.,..we could end this coup…… with a mass-citizens-arrest of everyone in the CFR
Tim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
LaRouche Previews August 1 Webcast: Installing An Anti-British-Imperialist World Economy
July 16, 2009 (LPAC)– On Saturday August 1, 2009, at 1 pm Eastern Time, Lyndon LaRouche will address a world audience, and leading collaborators within the United States, in an international webcast. In a paper currently under preparation on “The Science of Physical Economy,” LaRouche directly previews the topics on which he will concentrate during that presentation.
“The world now hovers at the brink of a long dark age of absolute despair. Only the sudden and thorough scrapping of the monetary systems which have reigned over the world since the death of President Franklin Roosevelt, could provide humanity today an escape from a New Dark Age whose character would bring the entire planet rather quickly from a level of about 6.7 billions individuals, to probably something near the goals, of no more than two billions, demanded from pro-genocidalists such as the late Bertrand Russell and the sheer evil of the World Wildlife Fund of Prince Philip and the now deceased Prince Bernhard.
“While it is necessary to continue the use of money as a medium of exchange within the microcosms of the social process of economy, any useful definitions of the role of money must abandon those old, systemically failed, definitions, which have been formerly taught in schools and universities, and as presently official accounting practice; there must be sudden and sweeping installation of a new form of an anti-British-imperialist world economy, that among cooperating, perfectly sovereign nation-states. That urgently needed change, will come into existence on the battleground once occupied by the preceding reign of the now hopelessly failed existing nation-states of the former monetary systems.
“However, this urgently needed change were likely to occur, only if an inner circle of professional economic competence is created now, from among relevant leading circle among some key nations.
“For this purpose, the preliminary step of urgently needed education to be taken immediately, is to present an updated presentation of that ‘Triple Curve’ imagery which I first published in the official, 1996 announcement of my candidacy for that year’s Democratic Presidential nomination. The current update of that ‘Triple Curve’ will be presented in two public events, one prior to my August 1, 2009 international webcast, and the second during that webcast. The implications of that update, which will have been presented publicly prior to those events, are to be assumed in what is written here.
“The crucial change might appear to some as minimal. I have proposed, simply enough, to replace the existing world monetary system, as if by turning on a dime, by a fixed-exchange-rate alliance among a set of what shall be, respectively, perfectly sovereign nation-state republics. This shall be accomplished by elementary methods of reorganization in bankruptcy….”
LaRouche’s webcast will be aired live on http://www.larouchepac.com
July 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Those in charge will never allow this to happen, unless they are in charge of the investigation. Go figure!
Andrew Jackson Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
batman – you are right. the 9/11 commission had condoleeza rice and her buddies on the board.
hmmm…
July 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
She looks like a transvestite; the FBI can have their own whistleblowers to make the public think the FBI is actually, and legally, investigatable. I wouldn’t believe this story.
Scotty Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I totally agree. They want to control the direction of the 9/11 truther’s and present some watered down evidence that will lead to nothing. Our legal and political systems are useless attacks within a system that has long since been over taken by tyrannts.
Chips Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I see nothing in this article to make one think the FBI is any more or less investigatable. The letter is useful, though, in her mention of “hushed” pre-9/11 investigations; it might convince someone sitting on the fence to do some research.
What in the world does her (assumed) sexual preference have to do with any of this? Nothing.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
You support a new 9/11 inv. honey because the official story doesn’t make a freakin sense. Oh and WEARECHANGE and WEARERIGHT and WEARESMART
jimshores Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
We need to start a movement called: WE ARE FIX!
EU-Lex Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Agreed everybody just talking about the problem, but I don’t get it AJ is always stating that We Are the majority (I think he means compared to the 200 member Bilderbergs) and The empire is on the run, so the question is obvious.
far q Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The empire is on the run alright,
on the run to the finish line.
To all infowarriors,
Stop argueing over insignificant details.
investigate it…9-11 was an inside job.
Deal with it.
The NWO is at war with humanity,
the elitists want to kill you,
Deal with it
July 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
She is clearly mentally ill. That is why I express my gratitude to Mr. Obama for pushing comprehensive legislation to get this poor women the help she needs!
jimshores Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I guess your mother, Mrs. Jackass told you what mentally ill means to explain to you what the other children had aginst you. They were not and you obviously still are.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I’m getting real sick of typing in this little box.
WHEN DOES THE REVOLUTION START?
tohellwiththem Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
psychologic_m@yahoo.com
thats my personal email address.
hj Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
When the so called patriot movement is not lead by nwo shills.
Prisoner Planet Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Big John Lipscomb thinks that “Freedom” and “Patriot” Movement are nothing but COINTEL shell games for the man. Probablly so with all the evil going on in high places in Amerika something shouldv’e been done about all this tyranny ages ago (like the late 1940s). Eat a hat if one the many alphabets aren’t viewing all of the posters and putting them on lists for the camps. Such tyrannical evil! I hope the disspensationalists are right we need Divine intervention. Big Brother-Big Father is watching you!
SoundPolitics Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:02 am
It already has
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
well the letters are screwed but this isn’t:
http://www.christianmedia.us/images2/demon3.jpg
TruthAboveAll Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
wow, lord rothschild in his true form
July 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
http://911essentials.com repeats the mantra … all of this will become apparent as we start arresting all of the criminal bankers, politicians and the companies involved in the murder of over 3000 people in NYC, millions in Iraq, millions in Afghanistan and for those to come.
If you commit treason, murder and more you need to be held accountable.
Treason trials on TV will be a good start. When that begins people with 9/11 information will come out of the woodwork as they point to their superiors.
hey dwarf Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Hey dwarf…there were no commercial planes on 9-11. This website that you still promote over and over which is in violation of the comment posting section, still says there were commercial planes on 9/11, that is a lie. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. You and your website will talk about anything except the FACT that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. The moment you mention there were no commercial planes on 9-11 your site will be shut down immediately.
Fred Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:01 am
“You and your website will talk about anything except the FACT that there were no commercial planes on 9-11″
….and the only thing all the “no planes on 9/11″ people will talk about is something they themselves admit they cannot prove or verify.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
The authority’s in Portland Oregon are so f---ing sick they use kids to frame people they want dead as pedophiles and they don’t even give a s--- if anyone knows it!
It’s Nazi Germany all over again!
They even have a f---ing name for it, they call it Pedofied!
I got them on audio admitting to that word!
http://portland.indymedia.org/.....0861.shtml
It’s a great responsibility to report a crime the Authority’s don’t want reported!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I’m not holding my breath…
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Did anybody see the footage of the air crash in Iran today? A Plane disintegrated into tiny little pieces and left a crater after it hit the ground! Unbelievable! It looked just like the crash site in Shanksville, PA. I bet they’ll find traces of thermite in the jetsom! If you look at the replays of the plane going down, you can clearly see that it’s a hologram crashing into the ground and not an aircraft.
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Video and witnesses, regardless of how many, have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane or plane crash. A recent example is TWA 800. There were FIVE TIMES more witnesses to that crash than all of 9-11 combined. The “authorities”, by the way they were the exact same “authorities” that investigated 9-11, these same authorities ignored EVERY SINGLE ONE of the witnesses to TWA 800.
The ONLY thing that verifies a plane or plane crash is wreckage or debris. Each plane has over 3 million serial ID parts that can be verified within seconds. After 8 years not ONE SINGLE PIECE has ever been verified from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9/11 by ANYONE on the planet! The “video” you were shown was provided by the military contractors that have made trillions because of 9/11. They own the top US media corporations. In terms of witnesses, research Tripod II. On the morning of 9-11 AT GROUND ZERO the military and government had 1000’s of personnel conducting a terrorist training drill. Those agents and “witnesses” were the ones “interviewed” by media.
There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. The US has killed millions of people based on that lie.
conformorbecastout Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:12 am
“Video and witnesses, regardless of how many, have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane or plane crash.” … ” these same authorities ignored EVERY SINGLE ONE of the witnesses to TWA 800.”
Well if witnesses have never verified a plane or plane crash, why then are you surprized “these same authorities ignored EVERY SINGLE ONE of the witnesses to TWA 800.” And if they had not ignored these witnesses, how would it matter, since “Video and witnesses, regardless of how many, have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane or plane crash” ?
Are you dizzy yet?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
GET OFF THE INTERNET!!! I AM WARNING EVERYONE FOR LAST TIME!!! STOP BLOGGING AND TWEETING! STAY OFF BBS SYSTEMS THEY ARE ALL HACKED! GET OFF LINE GET OFF THE GRID! GET OFF YOUR CELLPHONE! FIND YOUR LOCAL HACKER AND GET YOURSELF SECURED! GET OFF THE INTERNET!!! THIS IS NOT A HOAX! NO MORE TALKING ABOUT ILLUMINATI! DONT FOLLOW OR LISTEN TO ALEX JONES! GET OFF NOW!
Bob Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Over 20 million people have claimed witness to the Loch Ness Monster. Over 15 million people have claimed to have witnessed Big Foot. Over 200 million have claimed to have seen alien spacecraft which of course denotes alien life and intelligence. Over 100,000 people have witnessed Elvis since he died. Over 100 million claim to witness ghosts on a daily basis.
Anyone can claim to witness anything they wish. It’s a free world. Though at the end of the day you better let me physically verify a single speck of evidence? That would definitely help to explain what you witnessed. Just like big Foot, Loch Ness monster, and alien spacecraft…..the planes of 911 have never been physically verified by anyone. No insurance company, airline, not even the FBI has verified a single piece of debris from a single plane located anywhere on 911. You plane huggers need to wake up real fast. You have too much trust in what your government tells you is truth. There were no commercial planes on 911. The war on terror is based on a lie. Homeland Security is based on a lie. The military owned US media has fed and harbored these lies.
jennifer Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
YOu do that listen to your freak up there that says stay off the lines. freak. alex i am calling the fbi and seeing to it that you are charged with exploiting children or you can use the excuse you have been probed. you have no right. sick freaks
July 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Here’s where she lost me and I stopped reading:
“…immediately ushered in the … ‘war on terror’ agenda which bore no connection to the original causes and no connection to the goal of reducing terrorism and making the world safe,”.
She obviously has some kind of political agenda with an ax to grind. Even if you don’t like the War on Terror, it’s pretty easy to see how the operation is intended to ultimately stop the heartbeat that pumps the lifeblood into the international terrorist organizations and their politically connected actors. The results can be seen in Iran, where living next door to a relatively free Iraq has helped inspire Iranian citizens to push back against their theocratic regime. In Afghanistan & Pakistan, the public is turning against Taliban & Al Qaida and cooperating with U.S. forces as they are seeing that Tali/Qaida offer no help and actually bring only death.
DonVonChristo Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Let me add: the New World Order would have needed to get rid of the MidEast theocracies just as much as a “non-NWO” US would have had to do. The theocracies pose a threat to their globalization as well.
Charm Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
The funding for terrorism comes from oil and drug revenues. Did you reduce your gasoline consumption for the “war” effort? Probably not, it easier to send other people’s kids to some hole. It also gives the impression we are doing something. Dead soldiers make people feel proud and dead and wounded civilians create more terrorists. See it all works out for those at the very top.
paytaxesfundterrorism Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I didn’t reduce my gasoline consumption for the “war” effort. I even went and oiled every skweaky door hing in the house.
I didn’t sent other peoples kids to some hole. How about you?
“Dead soldiers make people feel proud” I didn’t know that about myself. Thanks for pointing it out.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
“9/11 Truth” and its role in the game
http://sovereignsentience.blog.....-game.html
scscs Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:27 am
that guy has got it right on….
a part of the 911 plan was to use it to try to bring down the ‘us govt’…..blaming it on ‘bush’ instead of the un….etc
they have failed—-the true nobility is the common man—and they are the ones that are gaining in the fight
fight to the death!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I hope NYC CAN succeeds in starting a new investigation, but like other folks here, I just don’t think it will be allowed to uncover anything.
I’m sure most or all of those closely involved with the attacks were hand-picked for their willingness to partake in murdering Americans, so I doubt we’ll see any of these people stepping up and speaking out.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Those NWO criminals who really did the 9/11 attacks will be forever looking over their shoulders, and one day we will come for them!
hj Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Yawn.
Who? the so called patriot, I mean the stand down moevement.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The idea of a “new investigation” into 9/11 is a joke, and those high level people in government calling for this should be considered immediately suspect. Why do you think so many people from the UN and EU are calling for a new investigation? Why would the same globalists behind 9/11 be calling for an investigation to expose it, unless there were an ulterior motive behind it? Look at people in the “Truth Movement” itself, like David Ray Griffin, who say we need a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT to solve our problems? Do you honestly think they would ever expose the TRUE criminals behind 9/11? It goes a lot higher than Bush and Cheney, folks.
Whoever administers this “new investigation” will be the same criminals who administered the last one. THEY control this system, and they would NEVER let the REAL perpetrators be exposed.
The fact is that so-called 9/11 Truth is being used by the globalists to push an internationalist agenda and usher in the New World Order.
Wake up, people!!!
http://sovereignsentience.blog.....-game.html
hhiiuj Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Agreed. I also think she is being used!
July 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Now you can only sign up for Google email by giving them you cell phone number. Another way to track who you are and what you type.
By the way, Alex does put out some good damning facts.
I wonder why, ab Lincoln was shot, JFK…. that lady was hung and the WTC security African American man and others die oddly when the likes of Alex and his documentaries goes untouched. Perhaps the others were more of a threat????
Do the NWO welcome Alex and those he reaches?
All reminds me of the opening words in ENDGAME where Huxley says that many will come to hate the NWO and countless will die protesting it. if these are the End Days then scripture says that all nations will come under global control. If these are the end days then we win by laying down arms and following in the foot steps of Jesus and following his directives. If these are not the end of days then resisting is the path to go, like when we resisted Hitler etc.
I believe that perhaps we may be in the end of days, then the way to go is create new society, care for the poor and sick, serve one’s enemies…., this is how we win……all in preparation for the return of Christ.
CaptainSeeSharp Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Bahahahahahah…..
1'FUR"K"T"UP DUDE Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 am
FUK”"”N’ A 2 that
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
The DHS was established and formed as an agency based on a murderous LIE. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. This illegal, criminal harboring agency is now in control of the entire US military and law enforcement agencies BECAUSE there were commercial planes that crashed on 9/11. THAT IS A LIE. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. Everyone within the DHS that says there were planes must be charged with TREASON. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11.
Watch September Clues for an introduction into the US governments, media, and military’s crimes against humanity. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. The DHS MUST be dismantled and reorganized.
dipsquat Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Look dick head, you provide no proof of no planes, so shut the f--- up. The fact the gov. has not supplied serial no.’s mean no more than their refusal to supply vids from the pentagon. I’m sick of you and want your address to to silence your sick f---ing ass. We are tired of your ass hat rants and wish you only the worst, in fact I lpray you are run over by a commercial jet.
what Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Q: “you provide no proof of no planes”
R: What? There’s ONE massive problem with that statement. Ready? I am not the one saying there WERE planes???!!!! You are. If YOU say there were 4 commercial planes on 9/11 YOU are going to have to provide ANY physically verifiable evidence. After 8 years not one single SPECK of debris has ever been verified in any way from any of the supposed planes from 9/11. It is a common tactic for the criminals themselves to demand that the accuser provide the “evidence” that what they are saying is a lie. If you say there were 4 commercial planes on 9/11…..when can anyone on the planet verify a single piece of debris? They can’t because there were no commercial planes on 9/11. Your war on terror must end. As far as your threats are concerned…that is another tactic used by agents. Get used to them once you understand that there were NO commercial planes on 9/11.
blamedipsquatcausewhatsaidso Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
So it’s dipsquat’s war after all. Yea dipsquat! “Your” war on terror must end. NOW! What just dumped all the blame for that war right into your lap without “one single SPECK” of verifiable evidence. So end “Your” war NOW! or he might just have to thump you on the head with his intellectual club.
Another tactic used by agents is to blame wholesale dipsquat without one speck of evidence.
Nick Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 11:47 am
how can some be run over by a commercial jet they fly ass, where are the black boxes and the info that they have on them then there is no evidence on that so i mean if you belive everything then i am the riches man in the world do you belive that
theaeroplaneflyshigh Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
yea, how can some be run over by a commercial jet they fly ass?
Didn’t you know they fly…..except when they’re on the tarmak runway taling off or landing. So if you want to him to get run over do it then.
hj Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Loser.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I must explain the posts I see over and over and they don’t explain it right./NO Planes on 911….Well wargames gave the planes and the audio.People the (few) on all the planes.????I don’t have the answer but maybe working still or hanger in St louis…????Dead maybe.War Games workers not knowing they where going to really crash.Same with the so called Highjackers / Military workers or Israel military..Or maybe still writing books about using planes as Bombs like the flight 93 pilot.I do know all Class 3 Airports the planes have a Fly by Wire System and that was my fathers job.Boeing 33yrs…REMEMBER pre 911 when the pilots where loosing jobs to computers then they said.”Don’t you what the people on board to know there is a pilot not a computer.” then husshh and this was years before 911.They then kept there jobs but wages dropped .Why is there no out cry for victims of funds for family.SOLD OUT took the money the gov handed out from the 2.3 trillion that turn up missing the day before???HMMM Just Ideas and some facts as I know them. When has the Government ever gave money to any victims of Terror? Plus so quick? Cover it up and then they can’t talk.Sign and cashed out.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
To say there are no WMD’s in Iraq is to harm the WMD truth movement. Of course there are WMD’s in Iraq. The US had proof! The US had videos, photos, and 1000’s of eyewitnesses that said there were WMD’s in Iraq. Every US government agency, military, politician, and administration official said “OF COURSE” Iraq has WMD’s….look at the massive amount of unverifiable evidence. By saying there were NO WMD’s you are hurting the movement. Well….what happened. Someone, just one person, wanted to simply VERIFY a single piece of WMD. Regardless of the overwhelming proof, evidence, eyewitnesses, photos, videos that there were WMD’s. The second that not one single piece of WMD could be tested and verified….it then became an “intelligence failure”. Though are we still in Iraq 6 years later based on this same admitted intelligence failure?
Now let’s look at the planes of 911. Just like the WMD’s in Iraq the world has overwhelming evidence of videos, photos, eyewitnesses, every government agency and department, all politicians, all government leaders…that say there WERE planes on 911. Fine. One side note….never in aviation crash history has video, eyewitnesses, or photos ever verified a plane crash. NEVER. Only wreckage verification proves a crash. On 911…just like the WMD’s….that’s all the “evidence” the world has. Just like the WMD’s…to this day….NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF AIRLINER DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS HAS EVER BEEN VERIFIED. Not one single piece. Each 757-767 has a standard 3.1 million serial ID stamped parts that can easily be identified and verified. The reason given by the FBI for NEVER having tested or verified a single piece….ready….”because we all saw it on TV”.
There were no planes on 911 (whether a Jassam or Global Hawk or nothing at all is beyond my post….though look at the videos of the military testing a Global Hawk…it looks identical to what was seen at all 4 locations on 911.) You must go beyond that now. It now means that the War on Terror WAS and IS a lie. Homeland security and its agency based on terror is lie. Larry Silverstien is the greatest money laundering insurance con man in world history. It means the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were lies. It means the Patriot Act was a lie (check out the money laundering section of the Patriot Act..perfect for FBI and CIA drug smuggling). It means the US military contractor owned media was as complicit and guilty as anyone during 911…if not more so. New laws must be passed that never again allow such collusion and connection between media, government, and military. GE, the owner of NBC news has profited over $500 Billion since 911….because of 911. This does not include the $250 Billion from the fraudulent TARP funds which was nothing more than another Bush real estate scam ala S&L of the 1980’s. GE, although they did a good job of hiding it, was the major insurance underwriter for a “terrorism policy” on the WTC’s just 6 weeks before 911. It was the FIRST such policy EVER taken on US soil. To understand more of the money aspect of 911…research “separation scams” for insurance and how drug money is laundered into the US. (Did you know that an insurance company never has to explain where it got the money to pay a claim?! What that means is that if you can murder a 1000 people and they sign away their rights to sue….a criminal could technically launder a Trillion dollars through an insurance scam known as “separation” and the insurance company would never have to explain where the money cam from. Learn more about the money side of these criminals. Is it any wonder that insurance companies directly related to 911 like AIG are being bailed out after making Billions from 911?)
dipsquat Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I took a tour of wright paterson AFB and had my hands on the global hawk aircraft moron, and it sure as hell isn’t a 757. The technology can be used in any aircraft and has been used in 737’s owned by the air force and navy. Your no aircraft on 911 makes you an incredible idiot and anything you say sould be ignored completely.
hey squat Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am
3rd party personal references are a common tactic used by agents. For example: “My brother’s friend saw the plane crash…therefor the planes are real”. Or like the one above…”I’ve had my hands on a global hawk…ergo….planes crashed on 9/11?!”
Another tactic is to say that you are stupid, an idiot, or are harming to yourself or the “movement”. The truth that there were no commercial planes on 9/11 will never care about any movement or how something looks or feels. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. The war on terror is based on a lie.
bobbinaround Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Homeland security and its agency based on terror is lie. Larry Silverstien is the greatest money laundering insurance con man in world history. It means the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were lies. It means the Patriot Act was a lie It means the US military contractor owned media was as complicit and guilty as anyone during 911…yadda, yadda, yadda. I want to hear something I don’t know.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
What a conundrum. Assume we’re not in the end of days, resist, and possibly defeat the NWO, effectively proving that we were not in the end of days after all; or assume we are in the end of days, follow in the footsteps of Jesus (don’t resist) and die, ostensibly proving that we were in the end of days after all. Except it wouldn’t be the end of days for the NWO, so in a sense, it just wouldn’t be the end of days after all.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
there WERE commercial planes used on 9/11. americans are stupid.
great Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:18 am
If there were planes……WHEN CAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET VERIFY A SINGLE PIECE OF DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THESE SUPPOSED PLANES?
There were no commercial planes on 9/11.
notsogreat Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
If there were planes……WHEN CAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET VERIFY A SINGLE PIECE OF DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THESE SUPPOSED PLANES?
Why ask when can anyone else to do it? Why wait around for someone else to do it? do it for yourself
jenny Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
You cant! there isnt ANY to test?!!!!!
sleepwiththefishes Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
How do you know? And If there isn’t, why ask anyone on these boards, not to mention the planet, when they can verify them?
July 15th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
No, no, you got it all wrong.
The military actually has lazer projectors that have two different functions.
One function projects a 3D image of a moving plane, all most like an old fashoned drive in movie theater projector.
The other function delivers a pulverizing heat punch.
Together and in the form of a single energy beam, this is how they might have done it. And they can change the film in the image projector and make it onto flying saucers, or giant spiders with wings, what ever they want. When they use it on the christains, they will project an image of Jesus and heaven forbid if that organization MADD infiltrates and gets to use it. Maybe Obama will use it in Afghanistan, or here in America to impersonate an angry messiah, with punching fireballs coming off his fists. Can you imagine seeing an image of Obama as big as the twin towers walking the face of the earth, looking down on all of us and zapping us with punching fireballs while bellowing like thunder, “yes we can and it’s time to give up childish things.”
You gotta laugh once in a while or you’ll just plain go nuts – enjoy
July 15th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I got a question mabey someone can help. Is it my opinion that 9-11 was an inside job? Because some people have been telling me lately “thats nice but thats your opinion,” My opinion would be, blue is the best color or something, I can prove 9-11 was an inside job. My problem is I get mad, and when I bring up facts about 9-11 people dont believe me, and im broke so i cant pass out a hundred dvds like im gonna when I get a job. Ive really been following this stuff allot here lately and reading The true story of the Bilderberg group, I know a couple people that are down with the truth. As for me im ready bring it to these mother f---ers, I mean what is more important? Im writing an essay for school about a one world government, thats a start i guess, though I would have to write a book to do the topic any justice. point is im trying Alex, the best thing i can do now is be a student of you and your friends. Im waking up though.
Andrew Jackson Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
i suggest burning DVD’s of ZeitgeistMovie, the 1st edition. however leave part one(I) out because it turns the christians off. start copying the movie at about 39 minutes so they get part two, which is about 9/11
The Glorified Janitor Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
infowars is a great source of information for someone who’s fully aware that their world is much different than what they have been led to belive. I like to start people off with the “Money Changers”, you can find it at trueworldhistory.info
tohellwiththem Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 1:46 am
lets talk about talking.]
ive gotten a few to cross the fence successfully.
psychologic_m@yahoo.com
heywhatsup Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Hey wahtsup….good point. This information that you are learning is going to be with you for the rest of your life. It is not about “convincing” someone or trying to change someone’s mind, opinion, or belief system……it is about sharing the truth. For 1000’s of years man thought the world was flat. No amount of information was ever going to change their minds. It took 1000’s of people many, many, decades to finally convince the world. The “battle” for 9/11 truth will take the rest of your life. Only speak the truth because the truth can never be harmed: There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. The war on terror is based on a fraud.
wutupsmoky Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
thanks for all replys
notmuch Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
“Only speak the truth because the truth can never be harmed…” Good advice. Just make sure that it’s truth, because it’s not about changing someones mind, opinion, or belief system, it’s only about sharing “your” truth.
jenny Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. The war on terror is a fraud just like the WMD’s in Iraq. The US spends trillions to kill millions. Who’s next?
sleepwiththefishes Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Yes, no doubt the wars are fraud We are next.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
i’m pretty sure commercial airliners were used on 9/11. however, the names of the 19 hijackers were wrong. watch zeitgeistmovie, the 1st edition.
jacksonvilleFL Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Well you’re wrong. Pretty sure? The US has spent trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured 100’s of thousands globally without charges…..and you’re “pretty sure”?!!!! You better get damn well sure. There were no commercial planes on 9-11. Verify the debris because there is none.
Andrewjacksondidit Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Hey jacksonvilleFL, Why must Andrew Jackson be damn well sure? Is he the one that “has spent trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured 100’s of thousands globally without charges…” because of it”?
“Verify the debris because there is none” How then can I verify them?
I’ll take any evidence you have that will tie andrew jackson to the spending of trillions of dollars, the killing of millions of people, and the torturing of 100’s of thousands globally. After all he must have did it, just as you imply, and you are never wrong
July 15th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
ok first of all im all for the inside job of 9/11 but how could you say that there were no planes…..i watched it crash into the towers…well maybe not commercial duhh my bad…lol, well there should be a 9/11 investigation by the people not anyone else….obviosly we cant trust the government….
stop watching Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Who showed you what you “watched” concerning the planes of 9/11? If it was US media….that media is legally owned, staffed, directed, financed, and controlled by the top US military corporations. What kind of video do you think you will see? Do you think you will see a reason to go to war and spend trillions….or will they show a missile launched by the US military?
How can someone say there were no planes? How can you say THERE WERE? Not one single PIECE of debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9/11 has EVER been verified in ANY way by ANYONE! That’s why not one penny of insurance has ever been paid for the “planes” themselves. Insurance only pays pay wreckage. Just like a car. No VIN # no claim. No plane wreckage no pay. Not one piece of planes debris has ever been verified by anyone.
nomoretvforme Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 am
“How can someone say there were no planes? How can you say THERE WERE?”
Good questions. I can’t say either way. Stop watching TV Obamaisabitch. Only read what stop watching posts.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
thanks guys for the no plane entrys..every time I write that here all the truthers get all mad and tell me Im a traitor…well the truthers dont want the truth they just want this thing to drag on ..so they can sell tshrts,hats and films…no planes = gov….case closed…as for you morons ,that keep saying what happened to building…did you just wake up or what..larry silerstien…said it was decided to just pull it…it takes days to rig that up so go back to sleep..we,ll let you know who did it..
excellent post Ron Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
The US military spends $5 Billion per year to do nothing but start and infiltrate “truth groups” about 9/11. Never forget that. These “truth groups” will violently oppose anyone bringing up the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9/11. The reason? Like you said….it exposes everything. The demolitions are used as a rabbit hole. Of course the buildings were demolished….THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES! That means no jet fuel. No planes means no highjackers. No planes means no passengers.
What happened to the passengers? Only the criminals and murderers themselves would ask that question. That’s like OJ saying…”well what did I do with that knife I used to kill someone with….if you don’t know what happened to the knife…I must be innocent.” The same argument is being made here. If you or I am unable to answer about the supposed passengers….ergo…..planes crashed?!!! That is wrong. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. The war on terror has killed millions based on that fabricated lie. And because it is global and never ending it is possible that BILLIONS of people may be killed because of the US global war.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
oh one more thing…you morons that said yes there were planes ..I watched it on tv…all the videos were supplied by the same people..the gov…get it they supplied the film…case closed..
j Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 5:54 am
not all the videos bitch! you forgot about the one i filmed, yeah that’s right.
great Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:40 am
If you have a video which has not been seen then you need to go to Ace Bakers site and get that $100,000 bucks??!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
The number one thing I see when I try to educate my family and friends is the denial of being wrong.
There are certain people on this planet that at certain times can NEVER be wrong about anything.
Most of the time these people have no care about being correct.
But when they feel their pride is under attack. They are NEVER wrong!!!
All of a sudden they want to argue over the planes, or what color they were.
They want to argue about anything but the fact they might be wrong.
I admit I might be wrong about 9/11 being an inside job.
It is because I love America so much I care when I see something my eyes don’t believe.
I am willing to ask questions.
Then on the other hand there are those who love America so much they could never believe anything but what their eyes saw that day.
But that is what makes us so great. That we can have different opinions without bias treatment.
Having the press and suck faces like GB call for hatred towards 9/11 truthers shows they cannot win a fair fight and need to resort to throwing mud.
I commend all the proud Americans regardless of their beliefs.
But should’nt we be ending this war soon??
How much blood is enough???
And why can’t we keep an ongoing investigation into 9/11??
Was it so bad having the JFK assassination investigated for 30+ years??
Did the world come to an end??
huh Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Why would anyone argue about the planes on 9/11? Just go to the debris and test it? Each 767 has over 3 million parts that you can verify within seconds. Just do it? After 8 years NOTHING has ever been verified. Once the world understands that there were NO commercial planes on 9/11…the war on terror must end. That war was BASED on the idea that 4 commercial planes crashed on 9/11. That is a lie. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. You want the wars to end? Then understand that there were no commercial planes on 9/11.
nomeansno Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
“Why would anyone argue about the planes on 9/11? Just go to the debris and test it?”
Ok, Where do I go?
ponyup Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:38 am
You want the wars to end? Then understand that there were no commercial planes on 9/11
I understand there were no commercial planes. Let me know when the wars end.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
From my gathering, she knew something stinked about the event in the eyes of the C.I.A. It is just being like every other agency of the government whether they are known or unknown being discreet is the key. When she turned whistleblower and bought attention to this, not many people were willing to listen to what she had to say.
My proposition since she was in a highly delicate situation with how much she knew. I would like to see more Whistleblower protections created even for those who work with the government or any mechanism that originally has legal immunity.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
WAIT A MINUTE!!!
Does ANYONE realize that they are participating in double-think (holding two contradictory beliefs and believing both of them) when talking about 9/11 and NWO.
How can you believe that the Government/ the Bush Administration is behind 9/11
AND
How can you ALSO believe that the President and the Government are just puppets to the NWO.
The purpose of the 9/11 Truth movement is, to ultimately call for a new form of Government – guess who will gladly step in and give you that NEW FORM of GOVERNMENT?
Remember this quote:
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World
Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” – James Paul Warburg
By placing the blame on our puppet government, ALL OF YOU are blindly consenting to the establishment of a NEW form of GOVERNMENT.
So, I’d put forth the idea; don’t re-investigate 9/11, INVESTIGATE THE BANKERS, THE CORPORATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS, and, as OTEP says “Smash the CONTROL machine” – not the CONTROLED!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Coleen Rowley should be the Attorney General when Ron Paul becomes President in 2010
July 15th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
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July 15th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
I thought she was going to say. “Hey, why don’t we spend more, tax payer money, pretending to investigate 9/11?”
July 15th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
AMEN AND AMEN!
July 16th, 2009 at 12:39 am
look….
the fbi existed before the 911 bs
thier oath is very pro america/pro constitution
i think out of all the federal agencies—-they are the most likely to help us
they are not tied to the pro clinton/un lobby—–
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that nyc can deal is suspect—–all of the ‘douchebag’brigade faction at 911 blogger support it…
and its got the guy from the mary tyler moore show as one of the advisors or some crap—–employee (former)of globalist cbs network—–always does propaganda for the aclu—-lou grant…thats his name or character—-f--- that dude
July 16th, 2009 at 1:28 am
There were no planes on 9/11? Please explain the thousands of NYers who saw and heard the planes coming in low and fast to their targets, you bunch of f---ing morons.
Look up false flag terrorism and proxy wars. The evil that permeates today, and since 1917 is COMMUNISM you f---ing retard brains!!!
HillbillyJihad&TheBubbaLiberationFront Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 2:00 am
As a member of AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY you’re right!!! WTF Over??? “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
HillbillyJihad&TheBubbaLiberationFront Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Chickenfoot kicks ass!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
look again Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Look at TWA 800. Every witness was completely ignored. ALL OF THEM. There were 5 times the number of witnesses to TWA 800 than all the locations of 9/11 combined. Witnesses, especially if they contradict each other….are worthless. Because this is a plane crash and not a ghost sighting….you can actually go over to the wreckage and debris at any of the locations and verify it. That has never been done. Not one single piece after 8 years.
Using profanity as insults to make a point immediately exposes your intention. There were no commercial planes on 9/11.
lookedagain Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
you can actually go over to the wreckage and debris at any of the locations and verify it. That has never been done. Not one single piece after 8 years.
Why then have you waited 8 long years to do it?
July 16th, 2009 at 1:55 am
anyone want to start/participate in a less public forum?
contact me please
psychologic_m@yahoo.com
dont hesitate!
July 16th, 2009 at 5:58 am
they used planes! quit twisting the truth to suit your ego bitches, u just look very stupid!
nope Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
The truth that there were no commercial planes on 9/11 will NEVER care how it looks. Why are you maintaining the lies of Bush who told you there were planes on 9/11? There were NO commercial planes on 9/11.
jon Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I agree that there were no commercial planes used on 911. People that first reported to the media said they saw no windows. A few of them said they looked like C130’s. A missle hit the Pentagon. Rumsfield slipped up at a news confrence and said a missle hit the Pentagon. They shot a missle in Penn too. No bodies and a small hole. Look at the photos of the crash that happend this week. It made a hole 100 feet across and 30 feet deep! Plenty of debris too. However in Penn the debris was spread over 5 miles so something might have been shot down. Still no bodies found as reported.
July 16th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Yeah I don’t know about the no planes thing but I do know that it was like a week or so before 9/11 happened and I heard that some people where working on the floor in the W.T.C where the planes did hit. And I did hear that there was military grade explosives residue found onsite. And how many people died in the pentagon and that site also from what I heard was being work on also and I don’t thing a plane hit the pentagon. One more thing I only heard about the explosives one time and it was on this site
keep researching Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Not only that…..the SAME exact company that “reinforced” the wall at the Pentagon was the exact same company that “reinforced” the floors of WTC’s 1 and 2…..and also did the “reinforcing” at WTC 7 as well?!!!! This company really gets around? Someone may want to check on exactly what the term “reinforcement” means if every time they leave the place blows up? ALSO….this was the SAME COMPANY that was doing the “reinforcement” work at the Murrah Building in OKCity in 1995 just days before it too exploded!!!
Nick Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
what is the companies name that work on the floors of the WTC i tryed to look it up but did get anything
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
CDI Control Demolition Inc. was subcontracted by Turner Construction. CDI bought a smelting plant 1 year b4 9-11 just 1 hour outside NYC. All the WTC debris went to their site not to china like the gov. lied to you about. The founder of CDI was stationed at Pearl Harbor in 1941. He founded CDI 6 years later after demolition training. The US gov passed a law that says you can NEVER test the undersides of the ships from PH for man made explosives. That is why the PNAC says they needed a “new pearl harbor”. A demolition to bring the US into a war!!!! (not one single Japanese plane was shot down during PH. There is actually NO verifiable debris that any Japanese were ever at Pearl Harbor in Dec 1941)
CDI also wrote the NIST report that said no demolitions were used at the WTC’s even though no verification was offered to the world and no one else was allowed to ever test anything. CDI was reported coming in and out of WTC’s 1 and 2 on Sat Sept 8th and Sun Sept 9th 2001. When someone tried to get the videos from buildings surrounding the WTC’s that would show who was coming and going days and weeks b4 9-11…..it has now been reported that the FBI confiscated all the tapes!!!! No one is ever allowed to see what was going on the weekend before 9-11. After much research I now agree witht the post that says there were NO commercial planes on 9/11. It was all a lie.
July 16th, 2009 at 6:53 am
f--- the courts….we need to after these zionists ourselfs…. like they did after ww2 with the natzis
Brian H Reply:
July 17th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Are naTzis kinda like faTzis – you know..those fat girls eatn at mcdonalds?
July 16th, 2009 at 8:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....playnext=1
Who Killed FBI agent John O’Niel.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am
No Planes??? Are you people for real!! Ok, so where are the over 300 people who were on “NO PLANES” can you actually say the families were all bought off?? Mamam Mia some of you are really scary!
July 16th, 2009 at 9:23 am
What does the family members being bought off have to do with verifying a single SPECK of debris from any of the 4 commercial planes from 9/11? You are saying there were planes with not one drop of verifiable evidence….and I’m scary? Only wreckage verifies a plane or plane crash. Not witnesses, video, or family members of supposed passengers. Only wreckage. Not ONE single piece has EVER been verified by ANYONE. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. Bush lied to you….again.
July 16th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
talking about 9/11 divides the country just like impeaching and prosecution of Bush and Cheney divides the country. Pelosi said this, so it must make sense. Criminals remember: next time you decide to do something highly illegal you have the caveat firmly in place that it “will divide the country” to try and prosecute you. Feel free to proceed forward with carbon taxes and eugenics, you’ll be ok! Karl Rove! Get your wrenches ready! There are some politician’s planes that need a little tune-up!
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Once the world understands that there were no commercial planes on 9/11…..the world will unite like never before. It will signal a new beginning of distrust and exposure of criminal leadership that will change the world for generations. Divide and conquer is used by the NWO everyday with 1000’s of different topics. The topic of 911 will expose every single crime ever committed because the world will recognize their tactics.
wonderfulunitedworld Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:48 am
Once the world understands that there were no commercial planes on 9/11…..the world will unite like never before
And I thought my dreams were weird
The topic of 911 will expose every single crime ever committed because the world will recognize their tactics
Good. I’ll know who killed my dog
July 17th, 2009 at 3:58 am
No planes? What were those objects cascading into the World Trade Center above me? Are people serious with these statements or just trolling?
TWNCPONE Reply:
July 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Its going to take time to understand all the implications of that truth. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. It means the invasions and ongoing 8 year war in Afghanistan is based on a LIE! There were no commercial planes on 9/11. The war must end!!!
skinthatsmokewagon Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
The invasion of Afghanistan was based on a lie whether or not there were any planes. The war must end!!!
July 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
morons..Ill say this again..do some f---ing research…all your going by is what was shown on network t.v….there were no planes…if you watch the very fisrt t.v. broad cast they all said there were EXPLOSIANS not planes…then the net work broad casters would break in and say you sawe the planes right…they convinced the public that there were planes…and by the way yes new yorkers probably saw planes in the air…theres two f---ing airports in n.y…ass holes…and ILL say this again…the planes that were supposed to have flown into those buildins wernt even listed on the days flight manifests…and allthe s.s. no. were fake that means no real people…if there were anyreal people missing..they are probably cia.opps..and are enjoying life on a nice tropical island…I dare anyone to prove that a real person died on those flights….
Jmceloim Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Ok, I’ll bite…
Honetsly Ron,
Media Hoax or not, there were literally hundreds of witneses who actually saw the planes hit WTC with their own eyes. To this day they testify to the fact.
wrong Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Jmceloim…..you are wrong. To this day….NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS EVER BEEN PUT UNDER OATH WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WAS EVER SEEN, FILMED, BROADCAST, PHOTOGRAPHED REGARDING THE “PLANES” OF 9/11. No one has ever testified in a court of law of signed any affidavit to that regard. Witnesses have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane. Only the debris does. Not one single piece of debris from any of the 4 planes has EVER been verified in any way. Nothing. There have been millions of witnesses to ghosts….those must be real according to your logic and style of evidence?
There were no commercial planes on 9/11. Ten times more “witnesses” at ground zero saw and heard NOTHING except the explosions from the buildings. The people saying they saw and heard planes were agents from Tripod II which was being conducted that very morning on 9/11 at ground zero. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. Verify the debris? You cant’…because there were no commercial planes on 9/11. There never will be any debris from any of the 4 planes because there were none.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
wrong, So how am I wrong? Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?Testimony remains testimony whether it is given under oath or not.
truth vs. fact Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Q: ” Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?”
A: There were no commercial planes on 9/11. Some saw something some didn’t. When you have opposing witnesses all you need to do is simply verify the debris. That’s it. Witnesses or whatever ANY ever “saw” is irrelevant during an airliner crash investigation. Look at TWA 800. You could have a billion witnesses….you still must verify the plane through its debris. After 8 years….not one piece of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations has ever been verified in any way by anyone. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. I personally have no idea what anyone saw so why would I claim “nobody saw planes”. I don’t know what they saw though only debris has ever verified a plane never witnesses anyway.
Q: “Testimony remains testimony whether it is given under oath or not.”
A: So then why do we need courts? Why do we have licenses? Why judges? This isn’t a church or religion. If you say there were planes and because of that testimony 5 million people are killed by the US military…..and it turns out that there were no commercial planes on 9-11 which is the 100% truth….then you should be somewhat responsible especially if you swear in a court of law. There were no commercial planes on 9-11.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am
truth vs fact,
You are missing the point.
my question was: ” Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?”
saying “There were no commercial planes on 9/11. Some saw something some didn’t.”
does not answer the question. The question was not “Were there planes on 911? Nor was the question; “did someone see something on 911?” The question again was; “” Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?” The factual and truthful answer is “Yes,” whether you or anyone else believes there were no commercial (or other) planes.
Fact and truth is (since, as far as I’m concerned, there is no difference between the two, as you apparently believe there is) many witnesses did indeed claim they saw planes and gave witness – testimony- to the fact/truth. So I was not wrong in my claim.
You ask; “So then why do we need courts? Why do we have licenses? Why judges? This isn’t a church or religion. ”
A) Why do we need courts or judges? -good question. The simple answer I suppose, would be that because people lie and deceive; in which case, those who claim the did not see planes may as likely be liars as those who did claim they did see planes.
B) “This isn’t a church or religion.” Semi-true. However, you would then be at a loss to explain why any witness giving “official” legal testimony in a court before a judge is required to swear oath to God, in many cases upon a Bible -both of which are as inseperable from “religion,” as water is from wet.
If you read my original post to ron you will see I never said anything about oaths or courts -that was his assumption.
Fact and truth (since they inseperably the same to me) remains either way. When someone -as a witness- goes on record of any form, telling you what they saw, they are tesitfying to what they saw, whether or not they were put under oath in a court in front of a judge. In fact AND truth, swearing an oath in a court of law in front of a judge has little significance. It is well known people lie under oath as or nearly as much as those who are not under oath.
Because you adamantly and repeatedly claim there were no planes, doesn’t mean I’m going to assume all those who claim to have seen planes are all either liars, mistaken, or delusional. Someone who was there and saw the events as they unfolded, and claims to have seen planes, by that very nature, is a more credible witness -until proven otherwise- than anyone who WAS NOT there and DIDN’T see the events. Were you there?
Now that all that is out of the way, what you need to understand is that I agree with you on the basic premise 911 was an inside job. I have always believed this since I first seen the first moments of the event on news reports that same day. The problem ron seems to be having, and now, you as well, is that I don’t necessarily agree with you on a specific of the event. Were there planes? Maybe and maybe not. However, as it now stands, there is equal evidence for both hypotheses.
where to begin Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
Q: ” Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?”
A: People can claim to witness anything. Millions claim to see big foot. Your “argument” is about if someone “claimed” to see something? That is a strawman tactic and irrelevant. People claim to see things every day. How is that relevant to the murders of millions of people based on a claim which HAS NEVER BEEN VERIFIED.
Q: “Fact and truth is (since, as far as I’m concerned, there is no difference between the two”
A: Fact….man thought the earth was flat for 1000’s of years. Truth…the earth was round. Fact…there were WMD’s in Iraq which is why the US has killed millions of people. Truth…there were NO WMD’s in Iraq. Fact as presented by military corporation owned news media was that there were commercial planes on 9-11. Truth…there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. There is a massive difference between fact and truth.
Q: “I agree with you on the basic premise 911 was an inside job”
A: I have never nor ever will say that 911 was an inside job. Inside job is meaningless. Its a tactic used by truth groups to get you to never talk about the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Inside job says and means and describes NOTHING.
Q: “Were there planes? Maybe and maybe not”
A: The US has spent trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured without charges 100’s of thousands….and you’re not 100% sure if there was a commercial plane or not?!!!! Then simply look and verify the debris. In aviation history what ANYONE saw is irrelevant. Only wreckage verifies a plane crash. Your witnesses are irrelevant. Simply look at TWA 800 to get an idea of how important conflicting witnesses are. ONLY WRECKAGE verifies a plane crash. Your use of witnesses and what people saw have NEVER been used to verify anything in an aviation crash investigation.
Q: “However, as it now stands, there is equal evidence for both hypotheses.”
A: That is called double think. It’s saying that 2 opposing statements are both correct at the same time. You will find this a great deal among “truth groups”. Beware. How can you say the “evidence” is equal when after 8 years there has NEVER been a single piece of airliner debris verified in ANY WAY from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations from 9-11????!!!! You my good sir are a shill though I am glad you continue to write because during our upcoming films and lectures we are going to show your “arguments” and teach people how to recognize what people will say to avoid talking about debris verification.
There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. Witnesses and videos have never in aviation history verified a plane or plane crash. Only wreckage does. Anyone who continues that witnesses should be the reason that the US should kill millions of people must themselves be liable for murder.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
where to begin,
Begin at the beginning.
“Q: ” Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?”
A: People can claim to witness anything. Millions claim to see big foot. Your “argument” is about if someone “claimed” to see something? That is a strawman tactic and irrelevant. People claim to see things every day. How is that relevant to the murders of millions of people based on a claim which HAS NEVER BEEN VERIFIED.”
A: The straw-man tactic and the real relevant issue is again avoiding to answer the question; “Are you saying nobody has claimed they saw planes on 911?” The straw-man tactic and the real relevant issue is claiming the millions who claimed to see big foot, are strawman and irrelevant because you cannot “verify” this.
“Q: Fact and truth is (since, as far as I’m concerned, there is no difference between the two”
A: Fact….man thought the earth was flat for 1000’s of years. Truth…the earth was round. Fact…there were WMD’s in Iraq which is why the US has killed millions of people. Truth…there were NO WMD’s in Iraq. Fact as presented by military corporation owned news media was that there were commercial planes on 9-11. Truth…there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. There is a massive difference between fact and truth”
A: Truth/fact …..man ignorantly thought the earth was flat for 1000’s of years. Fact/truth…the earth was round. Truth/fact… military media claimed there were WMD’s in Iraq which is why the US has killed millions of people. Fact/truth…there were NO WMD’s in Iraq. Truth/fact…Truth/fact as presented by military corporation owned news media was that there were commercial planes on 9-11. Fact/truth… it has not been proven True/fact there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. There isn’t one iota -one quark- of difference between truth and fact.
“Q: “I agree with you on the basic premise 911 was an inside job”
A: I have never nor ever will say that 911 was an inside job. Inside job is meaningless. Its a tactic used by truth groups to get you to never talk about the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Inside job says and means and describes NOTHING. “
A: Horary for you. I commend you on the right to exercise your freedom to believe this fact/truth. Now allow me the same; “inside job” is a perfect term used by 911 truth/fact groups to describe EVERYTHING about the fact/truth of 911.
“Q: “Were there planes? Maybe and maybe not”
A: The US has spent trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured without charges 100’s of thousands….and you’re not 100% sure if there was a commercial plane or not?!!!! Then simply look and verify the debris. In aviation history what ANYONE saw is irrelevant. Only wreckage verifies a plane crash. Your witnesses are irrelevant. Simply look at TWA 800 to get an idea of how important conflicting witnesses are. ONLY WRECKAGE verifies a plane crash. Your use of witnesses and what people saw have NEVER been used to verify anything in an aviation crash investigation.”
A: “….and you’re not 100% sure if there was a commercial plane or not?!!!!” Permit me to point out the blatantly obvious: I’m not the one who “has spent trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured without charges 100’s of thousands…” whether sure or not.
Show me the debris.
“Q: “However, as it now stands, there is equal evidence for both hypotheses.”
A: That is called double think. It’s saying that 2 opposing statements are both correct at the same time. You will find this a great deal among “truth groups”. Beware. How can you say the “evidence” is equal when after 8 years there has NEVER been a single piece of airliner debris verified in ANY WAY from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations from 9-11????!!!! You my good sir are a shill though I am glad you continue to write because during our upcoming films and lectures we are going to show your “arguments” and teach people how to recognize what people will say to avoid talking about debris verification.”
A: “You my good sir are a shill..” Well at least I’m a “good sir” shill as opposed to a “bad sir” shill. Again, let me point out the obvious fact/truth that I nowhere claimed one or the other hypothesis as true/fact, thereby leaving you no more justification to assume. Neither hypotheses has been proven correct, let alone at the same time. Both hypothesis remain legitimate until one of the two has been proven incorrect. Thank you for including my contribution to truth/fact in your upcoming films and lectures. I am glad to contribute when and where I am capable. However, I fear that you will not achieve the desired results if it is presented as an example of someone supposedly avoiding talking about debris verification by someone – myself, in this case- based on the assumption I actually avoided talking about debris verification, unless of course you want to make yourself a shill by failing to speak the fact/truth, and showing proof of said assumed truth/fact, that I anywhere avoided talking about debris verification. (read this as many times as it takes you to comprehend).
“Witnesses and videos have never in aviation history verified a plane or plane crash. Only wreckage does. Anyone who continues that witnesses should be the reason that the US should kill millions of people must themselves be liable for murder.”
A: I agree.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
where to begin,
one more thing for the record;
“Q: “I agree with you on the basic premise 911 was an inside job”
A: I have never nor ever will say that 911 was an inside job. Inside job is meaningless. Its a tactic used by truth groups to get you to never talk about the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Inside job says and means and describes NOTHING. ”
Truth/fact…I never claimed you “have” or “ever will say that 911 was an inside job.” Fact/truth…the term “inside job” is what I called it. If you believe the term is “meaningless,” fine, so be it. However, that does not give you justification to falsely/unFactually assume, and thus unfactually/untruthfully claim that I claimed you used this term.
benny Hill Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
You said that you agreed with me that 9-11 was an inside job. You just quoted it. I dont know how you can agree with me on something I have never said?
There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. You have done everything you can to deny that truth. It will take you some time. Just like you came to terms with the truth that there were no WMD’s in Iraq. You were lied to….again. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
benny Hill;
Post was in response to and addressed to “where to begin.” not benny Hill. That is why my post begins with “where to begin” See 3 previous posts. Nowhere on this thread previous to your post of “July 22nd, 2009 at 7:52pm” can be found a post by benny Hill that says this. I can’t respond to a post that hasn’t been placed. You are confused.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
Hey, where to begin, where are you? Don’t let me down now… I was just beginning to have fun. Oh Well.
Jmbeloim Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 12:47 am
“where to begin”, where are you? Don’t you want to discuss the issue further?
Jmceloim Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:52 am
benny Hill,
“Post was in response to and addressed to “where to begin.” not benny Hill. That is why my post begins with “where to begin” See 3 previous posts. Nowhere on this thread previous to your post of “July 22nd, 2009 at 7:52pm” can be found a post by benny Hill that says this. I can’t respond to a post that hasn’t been placed. You are confused.”
Hey benny Hill, I’m still waiting for your proof of this post. Are you having a hard time finding this proof that don’t exist? What’s taking you so long?
1'FUR"K"T"UP DUDE Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 am
FUK”N A its just like the W,M,D’s in iraq They had so called complet proof of wheres the physical evidence other than the b,s media footage theres none” plus not even a single person can explain the collapts of building 7” other than it was a controlled demolition,and apparentley it was’nt even mentioned in the 9-11 report’ wonder why”’
July 18th, 2009 at 2:37 am
The Case for hanging Condy in the same noose as Dubya and Dickhead
http://www.sxolsout.110mb.com/4.html
July 18th, 2009 at 6:11 am
The Jewish crime network is responsible for the mass murder known as 9/11
See the evidence here –> http://zioncrimefactory.wordpr.....l-did-911/
July 18th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I think someday soon big leaks will come from 9-11. TO much Evidence already out. how much more till it becomes a joke.
WWHHHHHHHHAAATTTTFFFFF Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
A big leak about 9-11 soon? HELLO??!!!!! THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES ON 9-11. If the leak was any bigger you could sail the Titanic. The war on terror is a fraud. There were no commercial planes.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am
I call bull on this. He’d be taking his employers to court and that would not happen. If you want to know the real culprits, run a lein search and see who the trustees are. The money trail will always guide you to the beneficiary. Generally, there is noBODY to blame in the commercial world. Just other entity pools of assets and the lawyers that are assigned to represent them. This would be a colossal waste of their employers time and money.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, bestiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
Les Jamieson
National Coordinator
NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative / NYCCAN
Jmceloim Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
So?
and? Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:35 am
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. The war on terror is a lie.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 am
and?
And so?
What does either of your two claims; “There were no commercial planes on 9-11. The war on terror is a lie.” have to do with “the sexual habits, homosexuality, bestiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration.” as reported by Paul Isaac (NYsentinel) July 19th. 2009 at 3:19 p.m.” in the previous post??
duhhhhh Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 am
You are at a conspiracy website at a forum section which deals with 9-11 specifically….and you are questioning that someone wrote something about 9-11? What does what YOU wrote have anything to do with 9-11? I look to Victor Ashe for my Bush homosexuality. That has been going on for 40 years! Its a little late? Why didnt he publish this while Bush was president when someone gave a s---?
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
So who is responding to my post now? Hummm! I mean, really, just who could it be? Could it be “metoo“?” How about “whyoWhy” -could it be him/her? Perhaps it’s ”keep going,” or “Bob.”? But then again it could be “NatureBoy” or “ron” or “what,” or for that matter it could be “heysquat” or “great.” Hummm! So many to choose from! But then, it could also be “excellentpostRon” or “huh” or “lookagain.” Or maybe it’s “nope” or “what,” or perhaps even “heywhatsup” or ”wed.” After all, they all keep saying the same thing over and over and over again, just like the rest of them. Could it be “TWNCPONE” -possibly! Oh, so many to choose from -and all of them anonymous too. Wait, there’s more! Perhaps it’s “jacksonvilleFL” -I can’t forget about him/her! -or maybe it’s actually “WWHHHHHHHHAAATTTTFFFFF” responding with another post saying the same thing over and over and over again!? There are so many all saying the same thing, so it could be any ONE of them. And I can’t leave out “wrong,” because, well, to do so would be just plain wrong! And oh yes, there’s also “and?” –perhaps it is “and?” that is responding to my post repeating the same things? But then again, ”truthvs.fact” also says the same thing in his post that “whereto begin” and “bennyHill” also say! And so does “duhhhhh”! ‘Tiz. a puzzle! -a regular mystery!! Just who could it be responding to my post now? Oh wait! I got it! Maybe all these posters who all keep saying the same thing over and over and over again, could all be one in the same person, with a severe split-personality disorder, of course!!! Oh well, guess I’ll never know. That’s the nature of anonymity.
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
“…there were NO PLANES used in the 9-11 attacks!”
WhyoWhy Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11.”
WhyoWhy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11”
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11 …”
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“There were NO PLANES!”
Bob Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“There were no planes on 911…”
Bob Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 911. “
NatureBoy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
“the planes on 9-11 were holograms. it was a GRAND ILLUSION”
ron Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
“…no planes = gov….”
what Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:12 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11.….there were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
hey squat Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11 …”
great Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:18 am
“…there were no planes…”
excellent post Ron Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11. …….THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES! …There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. “
huh Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:43 am
“…there were NO commercial planes on 9/11…There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. … there were no commercial planes on 9/11”
look again Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:50 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11”
nope Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
what Says:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:23 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. “
heywhatsup Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. “
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
“…there were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
“Once the world understands that there were no commercial planes on 9/11…..”
TWNCPONE Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
ron Says:
July 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“…there were no planes…”
jacksonvilleFL Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
WWHHHHHHHHAAATTTTFFFFF Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
“THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES ON 9-11. …There were no commercial planes”
huh Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:10 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11 … There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. …the FACT that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. …there were no commercial planes on 9-11 …”
wrong Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:35 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …There were no commercial planes on 9/11. ……because there were no commercial planes on 9/11. …because there were none.”
and? Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:35 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
truth vs. fact Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …that there were no commercial planes on 9-11… There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
where to begin Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
“Truth…there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11.”
benny Hill Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …….again. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
duhhhhh Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:52 am
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
good job Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. That truth must drive you crazy but I’m glad you typed it over and over again. Maybe it will sink in and you will realize that the US has killed millions of people based on that lie. Its not who types its what is typed.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Hey good for you, you got another one in.
“That truth must drive you crazy..” Golly, yet another asumption! Not surprizing, some are habitual assumers. But don’t cry now because you’re assumption is wrong! I find it highly amusing! Tell me, does it drive you crazy that I don’t accept your so-called “truth”? Does it drive you crazy that I find it amusing? If so, don’t worry. You can always take solice and comfort by repeating it over and over again. You might try clicking your heels together 3 times while repeating it.
Feds Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
There were no WMD’s in Iraq. You must have posted for years denying that one?
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. When can the world verify a single piece of debris?
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
There were no WMD’s in Iraq. You must have posted for years denying that one?
Wrong again
When can the world verify a single piece of debris? You’ll have to ask the “world” that question again. I don’t think the “world” hears you.
Do you wish you understood everything you know?
jenny Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I agree, there were no commercial planes on 9/11. The war on terror is based on a fraud.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Yo “good job” and “Feds,”
Where are you? Did you run out of things to falsely assume I said and then lie about?
If that’s the reason you are on this site and this post, why stop now? Can’t you find more things to falsely claim I said?
Come on. Let’s get it on record for all to see!
Where are all the rest of your false “I must have” claims?
Jmceloim Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Hey “duhhhhh,”
I’m still waiting for you to explain the “truth” to me as to what the Bush administrations so-called sexual perversions have to do with 9/11? If there is a pragmatic connection, tell me.
keep researching Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:06 am
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
“…there were NO PLANES used in the 9-11 attacks!”
WhyoWhy Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11.”
WhyoWhy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11”
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
keep going Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11 …”
me too Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“There were NO PLANES!”
Bob Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“There were no planes on 911…”
Bob Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 911. “
NatureBoy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
“the planes on 9-11 were holograms. it was a GRAND ILLUSION”
ron Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
“…no planes = gov….”
what Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:12 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11.….there were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
hey squat Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11 …”
great Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:18 am
“…there were no planes…”
excellent post Ron Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
“…there were no commercial planes on 9/11. …….THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES! …There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. “
huh Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:43 am
“…there were NO commercial planes on 9/11…There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. … there were no commercial planes on 9/11”
look again Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:50 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11”
nope Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
what Says:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:23 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. “
heywhatsup Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
“There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. “
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
“…there were NO commercial planes on 9/11”
wed Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
“Once the world understands that there were no commercial planes on 9/11…..”
TWNCPONE Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
ron Says:
July 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“…there were no planes…”
jacksonvilleFL Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
WWHHHHHHHHAAATTTTFFFFF Reply:
July 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
“THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL PLANES ON 9-11. …There were no commercial planes”
huh Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:10 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11 … There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. …the FACT that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. …there were no commercial planes on 9-11 …”
wrong Reply:
July 19th, 2009 at 7:35 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …There were no commercial planes on 9/11. ……because there were no commercial planes on 9/11. …because there were none.”
and? Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:35 am
“There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
truth vs. fact Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
“There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …There were no commercial planes on 9/11. …that there were no commercial planes on 9-11… There were no commercial planes on 9-11.”
where to begin Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
“Truth…there were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. …There were NO commercial planes on 9-11.”
benny Hill Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
“There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. …….again. There were NO commercial planes on 9-11”
I agree…..there were no commercial planes on 9-11.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:08 am
we need to take these Zionists down
Zionist new world order must stop
enough talk
time for action
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, beastiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
Les Jamieson
National Coordinator
NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative / NYCCAN 369 51st StreetBrooklyn,NY11220 Jazzyday@Earthlink.net 718/492-5167 .
BEASTIALITY : SEX WITH ANIMALS !!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, beastiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
Les Jamieson
National Coordinator
NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative / NYCCAN
369 51st StreetBrooklyn,NY11220
Jazzyday@Earthlink.net 718/492-5167 .
duhhhhh Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:52 am
There were NO commercial planes on 9-11
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
LOL!
JennyfromtheBlock Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I agree, there were no commercial planes on 9/11.
Jmceloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I didn’t say any such thing. LOL!
jenny Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Not writing to you Jmceloim. You are an idiot and should be tried for treason.
sleepwiththefishes Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:12 am
I agree with you Jmc …I read the posts and can’t find any place where you said that.
I did see a post by “jenny” that called you an idiot …she wants to throw you in the slammer for treason.
Jmbeloim Reply:
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
If you are not writing to me why use my name? Why refer to me directly in your post?
A tactic used by those who fail in their attempt to brainwash, is to resort to name calling in front of witnesses.
Not writing to me? …..then I must not be the idiot.
….and just why is it I should be tried for treason?? ,,,because “you” think I’m an idiot? …and “ypu” are? If it would make you happy, and I have little doubt it would, go ahead and round-up all those you deem idiots, try them for treason, and hang them.
And I’m an idiot!? Astounding!
keep researching Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:05 am
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. The war on terror is based on a lie.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
So, Who is Eddie Shalev?
The record compiled by the FBI for the purpose of to authenticating Hani Hanjour‘s flight skills fails to provide convincing substantiation. Notice, for this reason it also fails to support the testimony of the other flight instructor, Eddie Shalev, who certified Hanjour to rent a Cessna 172 from Congressional Air Charters just three days after Marcel Bernard, the chief instructor at Freeway, refused to rent Hanjour the very same plane. The 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of the incident at Freeway airport, nor does it discuss Eddie Shalev, other than alluding to Hanjour’s certification flight in a brief endnote. All of which is curious, since it now appears that Shalev’s testimony was crucial. By telling the commission what it was predisposed to hear, Shalev gave the official investigation an excuse to ignore the preponderance of evidence, which pointed to the unthinkable.
So, who is Eddie Shalev? His identity remained unknown for more than seven years, but was finally revealed in one of the files released in January 2009 by the National Archives. The document, labelled a “Memorandum for the Record,” is a summary of the April 2004 interview with Eddie Shalev conducted by commission staffer Quinn John Tamm.[32] The document confirms that Shalev went on record: “Mr Shalev stated that based on his observations Hanjour was a ‘good’ pilot.” It is noteworthy that Tamm also spoke with Freeway instructors Sheri Baxter and Ben Conner, as revealed by yet another recently-released document.[33] Although I was unable to reach Tamm or Baxter for comment, I did talk with Conner, who confirmed the conversation.[34] Conner says he fully expected to testify before the commission. Perhaps not surprisingly, the call never came.
But the shocker is the revelation that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army. The file states that “Mr. Shalev served in the Israeli Defense Forces in a paratroop regiment. He was a jumpmaster on a Boeing C-130. Mr. Shalev moved to the Gaithersburg area in April 2001 and was sponsored for employment by Congressional Air Charters…[which] has subsequently gone out of business.”
The memorandum raises disturbing questions. Consider the staffer’s strange choice of words in describing Shalev’s employment. What did Quinn John Tamm mean when he wrote that Shalev “was sponsored for employment”? Did the commission bother to investigate Congressional Air Charters? It is curious that the charter service subsequently went out of business. But the most important question is: just how thoroughly, if at all, did the commission vet Eddie Shalev? Does his military record include service in the Israeli intelligence community?
sleepwiththefishes Reply:
July 24th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Where did all the “no planes on 9/11″ cockraches run to?
Cowards
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
A question..Why is it that “ex FBI” persons have to be so outspoken all of the sudden? I understand that having a government job requires you to be quiet about activities that you know of, but why is it that some are seeming to be on our side all of of the sudden? I hope that this ‘whistle-blower’ is not a fake or someone just trying to be an ‘in-between guy’… We should realize that bad-stuff is going on big-time and ex-government officials should not be relied on 100%…