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Ex-MI5 chief: Response to 9/11 was ‘huge overreaction’
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Richard Norton-Taylor
The Guardian
October 18, 2008
A former head of MI5 today describes the response to the September 11 2001 attacks on the US as a “huge overreaction” and says the invasion of Iraq influenced young men in Britain who turned to terrorism.
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In an interview with the Guardian, Stella Rimington calls al-Qaida’s attack on the US “another terrorist incident” but not qualitatively different from any others.
“That’s not how it struck me. I suppose I’d lived with terrorist events for a good part of my working life and this was as far as I was concerned another one,” she says.
In common with Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, who retired as MI5’s director general last year, Rimington, who left 12 years ago, has already made it clear she abhorred “war on terror” rhetoric and the government’s abandoned plans to hold terrorism suspects for 42 days without charge.
Today, she goes further by criticising politicians including Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, for trying to outbid each other in their opposition to terrorism and making national security a partisan issue.
It all began, she suggests, with September 11. “National security has become much more of a political issue than it ever was in my day,” she says. “Parties are tending to use it as a way of trying to get at the other side. You know, ‘We’re more tough on terrorism than you are.’ I think that’s a bad move, quite frankly.”
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October 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
As a head spook…… she knows whats she is talking about. We had 30 years plus of IRA terror in Great Britain and life carried on as normal….. all Dame Manningham-Buller is saying is just plain common sense.
9/11 = massive over reaction (by design)
October 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
aye shes right as a ex squadie who did tours of n ireland from 78 to 88 we just get on with it , how dare america get attacked after all the money they sent to the IRA .
October 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
#3 & #2
Her spooks were the IRA! Sorry guy’s, but that’s documented, the people blowing you and your regiment up were the establishment! Sorry to be the ice cube down the back of your trousers too, but ‘NO’ life didn’t carry on as normal, the general public were scared sh*tless!
When you do a tour, yes you do ‘just get on with it’, cos that’s what you train for, that’s what you get paid for. You expect to get shot at, have pipe bombs thrown at you, spat at.
As an office walla working in London, Birmingham etc. you don’t expect to have your leg’s ripped off by 3 lbs of assorted nail’s and bolts [that's if your lucky!].
As ex-head spook Stella Rimington carries much weight on her shoulders, as did her predecessor and whoever holds the mantle now – Guilt is a bugger like that!
October 18th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I talked to a liaison between my governer’s office and the state police. He told me that Taser companies teach the military and cops how to use tasers.
I interrupted him and said “So, you’re telling me that they are militarizing the police?”
If they teach the police and the military the same thing then where is the difference?
9/11 was an inside job and we will not obey you’re dictatorship NWO rules!!!!!!!!!!
Get out of our country you Nazi pukes.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Too little far too late!!!
October 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Last night I saw a star fall from the sky. I thought it was very far away but it landed about 300 yards from my house. When I went to investigate it was a fuckin’ lamp about the size of 4 busses put together!
Also, I live near a construction site and there is not a week that goes by that construction worker zombies all hacked up and bloody from saws and screws don’t come out and roam around the neighbor hood. I know I can’t be at home when that happens but the last time I went in there I damb near put my hand in the vice and crushed it.
Who’s out side? Who’s out there? Out in the you know where. Whith the you know what.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Lies and more lies. The terrorism was done by MI5 themselves. It was a false flag to get the british people behind Iraq. She is still lying and covering up the truth.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Without moderation, your website will turn into drivel like the post by “Battling ignorance everywhere”
Perhaps a “report abuse” button to notify an admin of these types of posts?
October 18th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Sorry, “Battling ignorance everywhere” is fine, I was referring to the post by “one very gay owl”
October 18th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
To #3
Wonder what kind of reaction the USA would have if the Republican Convention was blown up???? Remember Brighton and the Conservative Confrence back in the 80’s…… if that happened to the USA there would be nukes flying all over the place. The IRA bomber who did that is still alive …… yet the people who died are just a memory.
Irish Freedom fighter….. or Al Queda….. whats the difference?
October 18th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Oh yeah…I get the connection Gay Owl…sure…
October 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
9-11 inside job; global elite knew plan & proffit enought said.
Who cares what she thinks if she dosn’t know anything .
just another stooge with a title
October 18th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
join the R3volution http://www.myspace.com/fighttheilluminati
October 18th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
This is similar to what I tell my friends. First we needed to figure out who attacked us – was it some guys in a bunker (inside job) or some guys in a cave (OBL) – then we need to respond appropriately. IF it was some guys in a bunker (it was) we needed to throw out our government. IF it was some guy in a cave then we needed to go after HIM while eliminating the motivation of the ‘terrorists’ – our military occupation of their countries. We should have shut down our bases worldwide like Ron Paul suggested. Instead we overacted to the wrong culprit. Now look at the mess we’re in.
October 18th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Learn about this from Project Horizons Tactical Warfighter
http://www.tacticalwarfighterg.....ystems.php
October 18th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
There is no suck organisation as Mi5 anymore
there used to be:
mi1
mi2
mi3
mi4
mi5
and also an mi6 which was just a leason branch for negotiating,
but since about 1985 they all come under the heading of SIS,
special inteligence service
although official letters still carry the mi5 logo on the top right of the paperwork,
SIS is now always center of any offical documents or on the left.
but at the end of the day they are still the people that dont officially exist, carry about 20 passports and a walther, and are exempt from ANY law in ANY country
October 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
and here is their link lol
http://www.sis.gov.uk/output/sis-home-welcome.html
October 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
oh and take a fucking good look at that building!!!!
if that is not blatently and the most masionic building on the planet
alex should do an article on this building alone !
just fucking look at it for a couple of mins, it makes the great pyramid look un masionic
October 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Rimmington and Manningham-Buller were the Queen’s handpicked lapdog’s.
Their opinions are worthless. Get the facts on Queen Lizzy’s divide and rule “Establishment”
http://www.sxolsout.110mb.com/73.html
October 18th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Ex-MI5 chief
Ex-CIA
EX-Administration
Here an Ex there an Ex!
.
Since 9ll there have been hundreds of “Ex’s” speaking out against the lies and deceit. As far as i’m concerned they can all go and get fucked…they have the moral fibre of those they denounce!
Weak as piss would not even begin to describe these shallow cunts!
To speak out whilst “still employed” is what these shallow cunts should have done, yet they have all been quite happy to collect their “fat” pay cheques “and say nothing”.
Cunts…shallow worthless cunts…every single one of them!!!
October 18th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I kind of agree with Aussie and some other posts. It’s true, they’re too scared to do the real wistleblowing, report names, dates and other info, they just chirp from a corner what we already know hoping it would make them look better in the eyes of the people. They are the scum minions of their demonic masters, they are the ones doing the dirty work. What is done is done, there’s no turning back.
To Michael (9): If you want to battle someone which you claim is ignorant, you do so with arguments proving your point, not with dictatorial attitude.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
great stuff http://www.free4phoenix.com/BL-UniversalLube.htm
http://www.thepentacon.com http://www.donaldtrumphair.com
October 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Katie, Yes we have very real enemies who want to kill us. We did not make these enemies by accident, but mostly through our foreign policy as Ron Paul stated in the debates. As far as the truth movement goes, the Bush Administration only has themselves to blame for it’s existence. If they had not stonewalled a complete investigation from the git-go (and failed to mention WTC 7’s fall in the report) or yearned for a “New Pearl Harbor” in the PNAC conference, the NeoCons might have a leg to stand on at this point.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
No Katie it’s not weak to believe in Christ. And you are terribly naive, and unfortunately one day you’ll see why.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/464518
mcain sings to his vegetables
October 19th, 2008 at 1:36 am
I suppose he’ll join the someday…
October 19th, 2008 at 2:57 am
good stuff http://www.free4phoenix.com/BL-UniversalLube.htm
October 19th, 2008 at 2:58 am
good stuff http://www.free4phoenix.com/BL-UniversalLube.htm mm
October 19th, 2008 at 3:42 am
According to a witness, the explosives were put in the WTC by Israeli soliders. The next day,
three of them laughed about how the towers were suppose to come down on impact. This, at a hot springs near one of our air bases, where they were being sent back to Israel. I believe him, after all, we’re fighting Israel’s enemies.
October 19th, 2008 at 7:53 am
hi we here in england think stella was very good at her job,uk mi5.6 are second 2 none
althougt now with all the car tracking thats goin on,using multipul aircraft [4/5]big planes just for sheffield
we call then “vultures” just circling waiting for people to go out.. its great
here in yorkshire we not only spray u with chemicals allday n night ,we hunt you 24 hours a day also, the fun never stops, its truley a celebration …
they say the people are linked to terror – looks to us like the people are the 1st gettin terrorised by the goverment cops, but the thing is its all bein done on the hush hush – shhhhhhh dont say out [wat planes] [wat spray] wat spray i carnt see the sky for white shite,wat they done basicly is turned the whole uk into 1 big police station.. so if your in a small village there are a number of flyin planes/cams/drones filmin in real time 24/7,and the farther you go out of your village the more planes lock on useing car recogision system ..
or n the water here used to b mint.. yorkshire water mmmm ,,, not now tastes like chemicals
October 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Bout time too
October 19th, 2008 at 10:17 am
lol @ #33
October 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
You guys have to vote third party in 2008!
Vote Chuck Baldwin in 2008, before it’s too late!
http://www.baldwin08.com
October 19th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
We all know that 9/11 was an inside job Washington scum. Give up your never ending War on Terror to strip us of our rights.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:48 am
To Katie ~ Don’t you see – that’s exactly how THEY want everyone to think ? ~~~ If you denounce Christ… by default you choose the wrong side ! ~~~ THEY don’t want YOU to believe… but THEY believe – and they are VERY serious about it, too ! Thing is… THEY are on the other side ! Indeed they worship Lucifer openly… and laugh at the fools that don’t see ! ~~~ Your Soul is the ONE thing they can’t take from you… but if you give it up willingly… then they have won.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
It’s getting pretty interesting, so many top level people, spy people, lords, MPs and so on are coming out against a lot of the crap… They could be stronger on some other stuff, but I’m glad even these people who are normally for all the gov junk have a breaking point they don’t want to go beyond.
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Alex said it well on todays show with Naomi Wolf. He said that people within these powerstructures are waking up too. Most of them don’t see the bigger picture, and thats why they go along with it.
But I find it interesting that she actually was in the intelligence part of government. I assumed that part was completely rotten through. Maybe there is hope after all, if people like this are opposing NWO policy