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Facebook users up in arms over new T&Cs
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Rosalie Marshall
Vnunet.com
February 18, 2009
A change to Facebook’s terms of service, which extends control over user content to profiles that have been shut down, has prompted nearly 20,000 users to join protest groups.
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Users signing a contract with Facebook give full control of their social networking content to the company, including the right to copy, modify, translate and distribute any of their information, and to use images and descriptions of themselves for any purpose, including commercial use and advertising.
Facebook used to relinquish control over content when contracts were terminated, but the latest change to its terms technically allows the site to keep the information forever.
Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg posted a blog entry on Monday in an attempt to explain the new terms after facing unprecedented criticism from the media and thousands of users. “We wouldn’t share your information in a way you wouldn’t want,” he said.
Zuckerberg explained that the change was designed to reassure users that account deactivation would not mean that data they had shared with friends would be wiped from the site.
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February 18th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I think we need to seriously consider building a “True Patriot Web” that offers alternatives to:
Google
Facebook/Myspace
Wikipedia
Ken Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Thats fine, but it’s the same as censoship of us, just in reverse.
I think it goes against the spirit of net neutrality.
They shouldn’t censor us, or the opposite.
The net should remain open as it was intended. imho
bofors Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Just to be clear, I am thinking about building essential or core Internet services that are free from NWO control and that advocate an anti-NWO agenda. I do not see how it is anti-kind of “reverse censorship,” rather I think these have to be key strategic goal in the information war.
I think our reliance on Google for search in particular is a serious weakness. Moreover, I think we need to seriously consider building an alternative “True Patriot” economy or rather massively expanding the on that already seems to exists in places like Infowars or The Alex Jones Show.
EnglishPatriot Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Sounds nice my friend. I’m a programmer, we should get in touch. We could get ‘proper’ internet services out there.
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
GO, DO IT, GET R DONE!!!! directed @ bofors and englishpatriot
(Zuckerberg explained that the change was designed to reassure users that account deactivation would not mean that data they had shared with friends would be wiped from the site.)
this is crap!!! dont believe this ahole for a minute. he will sell your info to anyone who asks for it!!!! for a price im sure…
boycott the fascist facebook!!!
LTC Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Sounds good but is it realistic?
I’m no programmer, just a lowly PC builder who dabbles in all kinds of mechanical and techno stuff, but would building a truly independent network cost some serious money? And wouldn’t we still have to depend on their infrastructure?
Adrian Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
wireless mesh networks
February 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I found this on Facebook’s homepage this morning. I’m not sure if this is a “say one thing, do another” type of thing, but it looks like everyone telling them to eff off has well…. paid off.
“Over the past few days, we have received a lot of feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised. For more information, visit the Facebook Blog.
If you want to share your thoughts on what should be in the new terms, check out our group Facebook Bill of Rights and Responsibilities.”
February 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Zuckerberg is a thieving Jew who stole the code for Facebook from his friends at University. He has had to pay millions in compensation so far, and there are several claims outstanding. As far as “social networking” is concerned, people can do as they please but Facebook is no way “social” as it requires people to stay at home and send silly emails instead of getting out there and meeting people for real. As for the “network” effects, it’s up to you if you want your whole life laid bare for the supergeeks in California to gawp at!
bofors Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Take it easy on the anti-semitism, it makes us look bad.
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
right; call them “thieving zionists” or “askenazi’s”. the jewish race has always been harmed by those zionist askenazi scumbags. hopefully they(jewish community) are waking up as well..
Pat Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
I like murdering thieving Zionist sons of bi… better but thieving zionists works to lol
February 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am
My brother finally talked me into signing up with facebook. When the first page came up, it showed me who I might be interested in…they were people out of my personal email account. So, they know all the people I write back and forth to. I wonder if they know the contents of the emails..hmm.
Youtube is still ok tho…as long as you dont get heavily political, because of the censorship. Good if you just use it as a hobby and some learning tho..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOJc0w-fzY
February 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Best AVOID using such Big Brother tools of control; keep your personal info private and out of sight…no need to air dirty laundry also..
February 18th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Three things you should never do
1) Believe what the media tells you
2) Believe what CEO’s and Corporations tell you
3) Follow the sheep herd
If they can retain and find your emails, at work or personal, they will retain your facebook information and do whatever they please with it, rest assured. Be smart and wake up others.
jerry Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
this is true. good point.
LTC Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Damn straight!
February 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I can’t help but feel this is another look at the left hand while the right stabs you in the back. They have been doin this for awhile with your phone calls. Virzen has made a deal with our gov to listen to all our calls. I have dail up so I know norad has been looking at all I do on the net and phone conversations.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
So using Facebook to organize protest groups is kinda dumb isn’t it? Close your account and hopefully you were mindful enough to not put up any info that you thought was private.
Personally my only pic up there is of my cat! I’m closing my account now.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:29 am
One employer (company) seriously asked me why they couldn’t find information about me on Facebook.
Eh… how do you handle that kind of thinking?
Really… are they that stupid?
February 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Countinued (2 parts, in order to beat the auto censorship here)
… Why do you think “cell phones” (dare you to fine one without a camera), digital cameras with SD cards etc. & computers are so cheap now… the government has directly and indirectly invested billions to ensure 99% of the people can be tracked and their conversations recorded simply be pressing a button and a persons cell phone instantly becomes the perfect confidential informant, all legally listened to because most are wireless, which is basically glorified “walkie talkies” sending their signal through PUBLIC owned airwaves.
Even older, wiser men, had no clue that their “off” cell phones were really “on”. When your phone is “off”, it is communicating with the tower/company (how it “rings” when a call comes in), the same method, feds/pd sends a “speaker on” signal to your phone and/or set to record and send what it has picked up through out a day… Don’t believe me, I wouldn’t… so here: RESEARCH what you are blindly doing people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5GoJg_JRZw
The young adults in this country better wake up and realize what they are doing and how they are just sheep in the pasture being cared for, “fattened up” until the dinner table is ready… the slaughter day starts out perfect for the stupid sheep, just like any other day, right up until the line gets crowded, tension of an unknown fear permeates the air, rounding the corner to see the butcher slitting the throat of a fellow sheep, that just moments ago you envied because you wrongly thought he got in line to be fed before you….
BenRod Reply:
February 24th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Small gadgets are cheap because they manufacture too many of them, and then they need you to buy them.
Computers (as in PCs) have been cheap since the Tandy.
By the way, when my cel-phone is OFF, it really is OFF.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am
This is just another way to get peoples permission to steal their own content without consent. Oh sure they say that they will not go ahead with it but I ask you, is it easier to ask permission or ask forgiveness? They did this because someone in the upper echelons knows how to juggle with the law. No matter what if your stuff is on the web IT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE BY ANYONE WITH THE KNOW HOW AND THE MEANS!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
This story was quotes from the new Bill of Rights Facebook Group….
If someone steals your images and uses them for anything that you wouldn’t want the least that Facebook can do is legally support you if you feel it is needed. I have been a victim of such misuse and feel that you should all be aware. I love Facebook, i love the service it provides and I just feel that if they only said they would support us we could get on with our daily goings on with facebook and not feel worried about what might happen. This is a letter I have posted to Mr Zuckerberg, hopefully he’ll reply!
Dear Mr Zuckerberg,
I’m writing to you because I believe that you truly care about the welfare of your users and I feel that I have been a victim of massive theft, and the tool with which this crime was commited was Facebook.
On January 13th 2009, The Sun National Newspaper in the UK gained access to my Facebook page and took 3 images of my friends who are working for a British Holiday Tour Operator. They then notified the tour operator asking if they would like to comment. The tour operator contacted myself and told me of what The Sun Newspaper had got hold of. I then phoned The Sun myself with a copy of your terms in my hands at the time. I told them that as I had deleted the pictures the rights had immediately returned back to me and I did not give them permission to use the images. They stated that they had indeed taken them from Facebook and that they believed your privacy terms were ” a grey area.” I was told that it is the newspapers views that anything on Facebook is in the public ownership and therefor makes it “fair game.” I was also told that “they are a national newspaper and I am a nobody, they can do whatever they want!” And indeed after 5 telephone calls, 3 emails and 1 posted letter all stating that they did not have the right to print the picture, the photos appeared in the most widely read tabloid journal in Britain the very next day.
I was horrified.
Natrually I have sought out legal advice and have begun a full on court case with The Sun to try and get back some of the money meny I will now loose because of what they have done by using Facebook negatively. Myself & my girlfriend run a very small film and photography business and our only contract was with the holiday group in question. Because of these events we have lost our only source of income.
So I then emailed Facebook, I explained all of these events to Kieran in User Operations. I thought that seems as Facebook has been implicated in these events by The Sun that you may have a few words of encouragement for me. But all I got were the standard repsonses about refering to you “terms & conditions”, which unfortunately didn’t seem to help the first time around.
I am not a big business, I am not a global giant or a celebrity, I’m just an average Joe Bloggs like the other 175 million users on Facebook and look what has happened to me. A global newspaper has been allowed to come on to your site, take my pictures and print 9 million copies of them and sell them at 30 pence each all around the world. I have never felt so unsafe online as I do right now. All the terms & conditions in the world couldn’t stop this from happening, all the revisions there are won’t change the fact that I am probably one of many who has had their rights abused in this way. There is a much bigger story here, if The Sun get away with taking these pictures from me ( which they might as they have one of Britain’s best legal teams) then where does that leave Facebook? Will the british court system be opening the floodgates on you, will it then suddenly be ok for every newspaper to misuse your service. Will it be ok for people to take other’s pictures and sell them, are we saying that it is ok take images of other people and use them for your own ends. This is very thin ice and The Sun Newspaper are skating all over it.
I believe I have a story, I believe that the other 175 million users worldwide would be as shocked as I am to learn how Facebook can be abused by the media. I am just looking for a little support from Facebook to let me know, to let The Sun know that what they have done is wrong, to let it be known that you are not ok with this sort of thing and that you will take measures against people who commit these thefts.
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BEWARE ALL UR PICS ARE FAIR GAME! This sucks, because I love Facebook. I post my babys pics up all the time!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Here’s another incredible story off the wire proving there is in fact a New World Order in the works. Quick maybe if you send a bunch of posts it will change the world – oh, did I tell you the one about the flying pig?! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://WWW.WARNTHEPEOPLE.ORG
February 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It worked!!! they have now changed their mind Temporarly….
Thank you Alex Jones!!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I terminated my account yesterday. What’s really weird is that I just tried logging in, as I had a hunch they hadn’t really closed my account, and, sure enough, the login worked, all my stuff is still there and it says “Welcome back. Your account has been reactivated.” It also says “Please note it may take several hours for your groups, events, notes, and other content from applications to be fully restored. Thank you for your patience.” So much for quitting! I’m going to try deleting all my content and then close my account again and see what happens.
GMacD Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Gary, let me know how it worked out. I recently had my account breached and deactivated it. That was a month ago now maybe more.
TheGhost Reply:
February 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
dude, you cant ever delete that stuff.. theres no point in trying.. what you do is just go through and change all the info, make shit up, and just basically turn your account into nothing.. i did this with my emospace account so when i go to pull it up it doesnt have any of my info… dont even bother tryin to delete it
February 18th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
you can use a PROXY service like TOR to _hide your private IP_:
http://www.torproject.com
you can also visit security sites like:
http://www.packetstormsecurity.org
http://www.securityfocus.com.com
To get some knowledge
February 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
you can use a PROXY service like TOR to _hide your private IP_:
http://www.torproject.com
you can also visit security sites like:
http://www.packetstormsecurity.org
http://www.securityfocus.com.com
To Get some knowledge
February 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I posted a link to this article yesterday. Today, they put the following message on their website:
Over the past few days, we have received a lot of feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised. For more information, visit the Facebook Blog.
If you want to share your thoughts on what should be in the new terms, check out our group Facebook Bill of Rights and Responsibilities.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
everything which is NOT encrypted or anonymous on / over the internet can be:
logged, stored, saved, used, manipulated, abused, sold, tacked, traced, profiled and so on …
February 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
here is a live example about a group of morons who used facebook for intrusion into
companies , registered on facebook, with fake profiles:
http://www.packetstormsecurity.....n.txt.html
Warning: dont do such things – they are just a bunch of morons .. and their action is most dumb
and LAME of course … they just abuse the trust of other people
dont trust virtual reality too much ..
February 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
By the way: did you knew that yahoo is making a copy of every email you become and send ?
Even if you delete your yahoo account they can keep all your emails forever if they want.
It is all written in their policy.
You can expect this on most of these sites / services: social site, messanger, email, online store
and so on.
ICQ for example is storing every message you send about their service and after you hit “send”
they have 100% copyright of what you said and they can sell it , manipulate it and do whatever
they want with it.
So read the policy on any site / service you use. YOU ARE SOLD!
Go better away from these parasites..
another good site:
http://www.google-watch.org
February 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
By the way: did you knew that yahoo is making a copy of every email you become and send ?
Even if you delete your yahoo account they can keep all your emails forever if they want.
It is all written in their policy.
You can expect this on most of these sites / services: social site, messanger, email, online store
and so on.
ICQ for example is storing every message you send about their service and after you hit “send”
they have 100% copyright of what you said and they can sell it , manipulate it and do whatever
they want with it.
So read the policy on any site / service you use. YOU ARE SOLD!
Go better away from these parasites…..
another good site:
http://www.google-watch.org
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
By the way: did you knew that yahoo is making a copy of every email you become and send ?
Even if you delete your yahoo account they can keep all your emails forever if they want.
It is all written in their policy…..
You can expect this on most of these sites / services: social site, messanger, email, online store
and so on.
ICQ for example is storing every message you send about their service and after you hit “send”
they have 100% copyright of what you said and they can sell it , manipulate it and do whatever
they want with it.
So read the policy on any site / service you use. YOU ARE SOLD!
Go better away from these parasites.
another good site:
http://www.google-watch.org
February 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
By the way: did you knew that yahoo is making a copy of every email you become and send ?
Even if you delete your yahoo account they can keep all your emails forever if they want.
It is all written in their policy.
You can expect this on most of these sites / services: social site, messanger, email, online store
and so on.
ICQ for example is storing every message you send about their service and after you hit “send”
they have 100% copyright of what you said and they can sell it , manipulate it and do whatever
they want with it.
So read the policy on any site / service you use. YOU ARE SOLD!
Go better away from these parasites.
another good site:
http://www.google-watch.org
February 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Who controls Facebook?: Watch the matrix – http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/facebook
February 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
I have a great answer DONT USE FACEBOOK, IS IT THAT HARD, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO TO THE POLICE AND TELL THEM YOU ALSO SMOKE HERB
February 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
facebook has gone back to their old T&C. People made them get rid of their new ones…for now…
February 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
why dont all the super-elite of the internet (hAcKeRz) get into the illumanti’s computers and delete their plans? i mean its worth the try! you guys have gotten into banks and government computers delete all of their shit and make them start from scratch!!! you would be doing mankind a BIG FAVOR!
February 18th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Sounds like a jewish name.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
The users can be upset all they want.
They don’t dare actually take any action though.
February 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
you cant ever delete that stuff.. theres no point in trying.. what you do is just go through and change all the info, make shit up, and just basically turn your account into nothing.. i did this with my emospace account so when i go to pull it up it doesnt have any of my info… dont even bother tryin to delete it
February 19th, 2009 at 11:00 am
This article is irrelavant. Facebook changed their T&C yesterday BEFORE this article was even published.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Make your own fliers and spread the word! Here is my flier and I put them on cars, in books, at college campuses, magazines, every!!!!!! It works!!!!!!!!!!
Care about the loss of your constitution and know what your government is up to!
Watch these videos (youtube) and spread the word
Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex
JFK Blows The Whistle on Secret Societies!
America freedom to fascism Clinton Chronicles Patriotism by Ron Paul
Loose change 9-11 Alex Jones / Dark Secret Inside the Bohemian Grove Part 1
Bilderberg exposed – Part 1/6 Blackwater: Shadow Army The Truth & Lies of 9/11
We Are Change Interviews 9/11 Whistleblower part 1 of 6
Exposing the Illuminati from Within Part 1
Those who gave their lives for these stories deserve to be heard!
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Just stay away from those facebook style websites in general you dont want your pictures and personal information on that crap anyway, its like a brochure for the government view who to shut down or go after.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:48 am
I was discussing this with other Facebook users, and I like what one of them said: “If you don’t want people to know about it, don’t post it on the web for everyone to see!”.
Plain and simple, if there’s information too personal you don’t want ANYONE to know about, don’t post it on the web. Same for pictures, be careful about what you do on the web, because theres some people out there that can use that as blackmail, etc. and then you’re screwed. (can I say ’screwed’ on here?)
Anyways, it was very considerate of the Facebook person in charge to change it back. Good to see there’s a nice person out there not hell-bent on getting people.
(Also, I don’t know if this was brought up, but did you know that the network’s, likes colleges and schools, dean, principal, boss, etc. can access your facebook at anytime if your set up to that specific network?)
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