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FBI Anthrax Case: Paid Witnesses?
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Scott Creighton
American Everyman
August 6, 2008
In a stunning development, it is being reported by several news organizations that Dr. Ivins told a friend that at some point during the investigation the FBI offered $2.5 million and “a sports car of his choosing” to his son for info that could be used to implicate his father in the anthrax killings. Was he the only witness offered money to come forward?
I have also learned that this “new DNA” test that connected this strain of anthrax to the lab Dr. Ivins worked in, took place in early 2002. So why are we being told that if they had it 3 years ago, Hatfill wouldn’t have been charged?
Some kind of new evidence is bound to be forthcoming today (unless some big news event breaks and takes all the attention away from this case, like say, when Donald Rumsfeld announced on Sept. 10th 2001 that 2 trillion was “missing” from the Pentagon) because they are supposedly briefing the victims families about the case this morning.
So that gives me a brief window of opportunity to explore a little more of the “evidence” that has been leaked by the investigators so far.
Paid Witnesses
Cruising through the news cycles now is the reported story that, according to a friend of Dr. Ivins, Ivins complained to him awhile ago that the FBI was so aggressive in their persuit of him, “they offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.” CBS.
“In the current case, Ivins complained privately that FBI agents had offered his son, Andy, $2.5 million, plus “the sports car of his choice” late last year if he would turn over evidence implicating his father in the anthrax attacks, according to a former U.S. scientist who described himself as a friend of Ivins.” CBS.
If this statement is found to be accurate (at this point no-one, including Jean Duley, has even implied that Dr. Bruce Ivins was a liar) then that is a huge development in this case. Because it means that someone on the FBI’s investigative team was so desperate to pin this on Ivins that they would offer huge sums of tax-payer money to ANY witness for ANY information.
Once impropriety is exposed in one part of an investigation, as long as the investigator that committed it is still on the team, you HAVE to question all the other parts of that investigation. Meaning; if they offered cash to one witness to step forward, then it follows that it is possible that they offered that same cash to another witness.
During the Aug. 2nd press interview that Jean Duley’s boyfriend, Mike McFadden, gave, he admitted that Duleyhad been talking with the FBI for awhile.
“Duley had numerous meetings withthe FBI in the past month, McFadden said, but he declined to provide specific information about those meetings.” Fredrick News Post.
According to the timelinethat his statement creates, that means the FBI was in communications with Duley BEFORE she reported Dr. Ivins strange group therapy rant on the 9th of July. This is VERY important because it sets up the FBI’s case that Ivins has a history of mental illness as well as the restraining order that Duley files later on the 24th.
But then the interview takes a strange turn. Out of nowhere McFadden claims that “”She had to quit her job and is now unable to work, and we have spent our savings on attorneys.”. Others have already done a fantastic job of picking this comment apart, so I won’t waste your time withthe obvious problems with his comment. But I will ask this: why is McFadden introducing the idea of Duley’s financial sacrifice at this point?
He would even go further with this theme: “She sacrificed all this stuff because she wanted to do the right thing.” . FNP.
Sounds to me like someone is justifying something, now doesn’t it?
Look, we now know that the FBI wasn’t opposed to paying witnesses huge sums of cash for their testimony in this case. That being said, lets look at the facts. The FBI was in contact with Duley BEFORE she called the cops about the July 9th rant; The FBI, according to Duley’s audio testimony, told Duley to file the restraining order; and according to Duley’s statements, the FBI prepped her by sharing case file information with her, as a witness, so that she would include that information in the court records, without having that information vetted or scrutinized by the courts; and now we know that the FBI in this case, wasn’t above paying cash to get witnesses to help.
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Conclusion: Was Jean Duley paid millions to help set up Dr. Ivins? That may be the case. We need to look into her financial background to see if she has come into a windfall of some kind since she was in contact with the FBI.
Paying a witness to testify is one thing; but paying someone to file fraudulent claims in court and to make false statements to the police, is quite another. By ALL accounts thus far, Jean Duley’s comments are the exception to every stated opinion of this man and, at the same time, they are the basis for EVERY legal action taken against him that seems to set up the FBI’scase. It is illegal for the FBI to pay a person to file fraudulent claims with any official agency and it is equally illegal for someone to accept payment to do so.
For these reasons there should be a serious investigation into the actions taken by the FBI investigative team and Jean Duley’s financial records.
New DNA Test
On this past Sunday, the story broke that the FBI had “new DNA evidence” that would link this strain of anthrax to Dr. Ivins lab.
This story got allot of traction for a few days, until it was uncovered by many that the DNA evidence linked to a sample that many people in the lab had access to, and that it still wasn’t, at that time, in it’s weaponized form; a process that many of his fellow scientists say he was just incapable of doing.
According to the New York Sun: “Using new genome technology, researchers looked at samples of cells from the victims to identify the kind of anthrax Ames strain that killed them, the scientist said. They noticed very subtle differences in the DNA of the strain used in the attacks than in other types of Ames anthrax.” NYS.
The New York Sun goes on to say: “The science is known as DNA fingerprinting. Although any two samples of anthrax bacteria will likely share roughly the same DNA structure, there are tiny differences from sample to sample.” NYS.
“The new genome technology that tracked down Ivins was either not available or too expensive to use often until about three years ago.“ NYS.
Really?
From an article from New Scientist dated May 9th 2002;
“The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory.”
The data released uses codenames for the reference strains against which the attack strain was compared. But New Scientist can reveal that the two reference strains that appear identical to the attack strain most likely originated at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick(USAMRIID), Maryland.
The new genetic sequencing work was done by the Institute for Genomic Research in Rockville, Maryland (TIGR), and Paul Keim’s team at the University of Northern Arizona at Flagstaff.
The idea was to tease out subtle differences between the two genomes that might identify the source of the attack strain…” New Scientist.
Notice the similar hot-points from the articles. This is the same “evidence” they had since early 2002, but because it didn’t get much attention, they picked it up and dusted it off as if it was something new pointing to Dr. Ivins. But we know that all it pointed to was the Ames strain of anthrax at the lab. Well, apparently they knew that back in 2002.
So, the FBI’s “new DNA evidence” and the reason they started looking at Dr. Ivins for this? I don’t think so. This story get’s worse and worse by the minute.
Someone from the local or state-level investigations units in Maryland needs to step in and take over this investigation, or there needs to be a congressional hearing on the level of the 9/11 commission. We know that the FBI has botched the investigation from the beginning and now, we are being spoon fed misleading evidence from the FBI team.
The FBI’s Keystone Cops production is embarrassing. They tend to forget that they are supposed to be trying to find the ‘terrorist” that used OUR ANTHRAX to kill civilians and to attack MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. What makes the FBI so sure that there won’t be another attack while they are framing the second guy for this?
This is deeply serious, and unless the congress wants the citizens of this country to know that our government is either completely inept or actually protecting the terrorists who sent the anthrax, then they need to step in and take the FBI off this case now.
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August 6th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Good article. The most important thing we need to do as citizens though is DEMAND further investigation, and focus on Dr. Phillip Zack, who broke intro the lab and has been ignored in this investigation. Zack is very likely a Mossad agent, due to his attempt to frame the Egyptian worker at the lab, which led to Zack’s firing for discrimination. He should have NEVER been in that secured lab after he was fired.
Who benefited from 911 and the Patriot “Act”? Israeli zionists, the CFR and the NWO agenda.
If the news media and the government try to tell us this investigation is over, we should demand that it is NOT, and HELL NO! We demand the truth. Investigate Zack NOW!
August 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am
“The sports car of his choice” blows the article out of the water as crap…If you accept the 2.5 mil you can buy your own sports car or 50…
The car is supposed to make the kid pee his pants and snitch on his father…Give me a break.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:54 am
America is getting what it deserves.
You can’t rape the willing.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:03 am
yeah, Congress will investigate this. right after the impeachment hearings.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Update:
I did not mean the article has no merit…Just the total merit is diminished by the addition of:
“a sports car of his choice”. IMO that makes the whole article suspect. That information is out
of place after stating he was offered 2.5 million dollars.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
about a week ago i was ranting that we needed to look into the anthrax attacks,wow now that was just me asking for a answer,i am glad the media is finaly doing its job kinda,everything about this seems fishy.(false flag?)(patsy?)
August 6th, 2008 at 10:26 am
It would not be necessary to co-opt Jean Duley with millions of FRNs — this whore would have sold her soul for a few thousand.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:43 am
His psychiatrist writes that he had a violent rant, and he is found dead a few weeks later. How does this prove a history of mental illness. Have they provided any evidence of mental illness that took place before the month that he died? How does that prove a history? They might as well have said, “He has been suicidal since July 9th, 2008.” But they didn’t. I think the psychiatrist needs to be investigated for a conflict of interest. Her report about his mental illness includes no incidents that occured before he was under her care as of July 9th. Based on her report, which I have read pieces of, her psych evaluation was done specifically for this case, he had no history as a patient with her.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Mr. Bucks, how does being offered 2.5 mil make it less realistic that he was offered a sports car?? It seems to me that the sports car is completely realistic as the government has an unlimited supply of free high end sports cars that they confiscate from criminals. If you gonna give someone 2.5 mil, why not sweeten the deal with a sports car. It’s something tangible and physically available to show the person you are trying to bribe. It is seductive and therefore can be more effective as a bribe than a sum of money, which can seem abstract in a persons mind.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:50 am
mrbuck;
The links in the original article are to CNn and CBS, and I think, the original statement was put out there by the AP story. So I was simply quoting what the story said.
It does seem kind of strange that that they would offer him money AND the car, but remember this is what someone told the AP reporter, that HE was told by Dr. Ivins; who was told by his son.
So, take that for what it’s worth. But remember that in the same AP story, they said that his daughter wasn’t offered money, but instead they tried to shame her into helping by showing her pictures of what “they say” her father did.
It is not uncommon for investigators to size-up the witness and look for weaknesses or a way to get them to do what they want. According to what Dr. Ivins was saying, they must have figured there were different ways to get at the family.
Now, I don’t know what to make of it, but if it is true, and they did offer the kid money, then there is a good chance that they made some similar offer to Jean. So I think, the kid should be asked, on the record, and if it is true, then the investigation of Duley and the FBI’s process is warrented.
That’s all I was saying.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am
In two months, October the 14th, everything will be understood! Everything from the power grab to staged terror will make sense and we will have a new understanding of mankind and the entire World will know the truth!
Buckle your seatbelts, its going to be an amazing ride and a bright awakening
August 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Mike:
What is supposed to happen on October 14th? You’re being a little vague, to say the least. If you’re implying that this is the day when “Jesus” comes, I thought it says in the Bible “you will not know the day or the hour of my coming”?
August 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I agree with # 9. I don’t find the offer of the sports car along with the money as being unusual in any way. I would not base the truthfullness of the story on that fact either way.
This story definately stinks too. I hope this is investigated by an agency more trustworthy than the FBI seems to be.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
is some how possible crieted a FBI for a FBI?
SOME HELP PLEASE
August 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
#2, You are not to bright, the son is in his 20’s. Think of the psychology of it or is that too advanced for yo…you…your, your, your… b-b-brain.
The FBI’s logic is an idiot kid would see a free sports car of his own as icing on the 2.5M cake. Greed has no bounds. The FBI was desperate to frame this guy.
Do more research
August 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Congress will never admit that an American agency such as the FBI is corrupt or incapable of completing an honest investigation. They’re the “good guy’s”!
August 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Now that the doctor is dead, I wonder if the offer still stands for 2.5million federal reserve notes and sports car for the son now that he won’t get fatherly advice anymore.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
WSJ:
Another FBI leak indicated that each particle was given a weak electric charge, thereby causing the particles to repel each other at the molecular level. This made it easier for the spores to float in the air, and increased their retention in the lungs.
In short, the potential lethality of anthrax in this case far exceeds that of any powdered product found in the now extinct U.S. Biological Warfare Program. In meetings held on the cleanup of the anthrax spores in Washington, the product was described by an official at the Department of Homeland Security as “according to the Russian recipes” — apparently referring to the use of the weak electric charge.
It turns out that only those such as the likes of the Russian FSB have the means in place to produce this kind of compound. But of course, there are people who will leap to the conclusion that “Bush did it” because the conclusions are appealing to them.
I’m inclined to agree with the WSJ here – this is not an easy thing to cook up in your basement. Some entity with longstanding links or “buying power” with Russian-originated technology is at fault, and the timing has a professional air: one intended to cause the public to behave chaotically.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
A $2.6-million bribe serves the same purpose as torture, to get false arrests and false confessions.
COP.
2. to steal; filch.
3. to buy (narcotics).
4. cop out, a. to avoid one’s responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out.
b. cop a plea.
5. cop a plea, a. to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence.
b. to plead guilty to a lesser charge as a means of bargaining one’s way out of standing trial for a more serious charge; plea-bargain.
-Dictionary.com, Random House Unabridged Dictionary 2006
August 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
That would explain alot, she and she alone (along with the FBI helping her) would be the only person in the room with the dead scientist to say that he was irrational and such. It pretty much her word against him, and since he was there for therapy they would believe the therapist before him. 2.5 million dollars is not chump change. That therapist may have been offered that amount or an amount much less and still jumped on it because, he she doesn’t know this guy or care about him but she cares about the money though. If a defense attorney or prosecutor was caught paying witnesses large sums even small sums of money for testimony or evidence, the judge would throw out the case and arrest the prosecutor or lawyer who did it.
You go up to somebody and tell them I will give you 2.5 million dollars to bare witness or evidence that something happened, the person or persons 9 times out of 10 will do it. Money sex and intimidation are the three things that can influence evidence and testimony, money being number one.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
The neo-cons are scared. They realize the truth is coming out about their anthrax attack on the U.S. Capital used as cover to remove the bombs that were to explode when the 4th plane would have hit the Congress. But it was shot down by a wise general’s orders and the neo-cons were stuck with buildings full of unexploded bombs. So they committed bio-terrorism to cover their tracks.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Headline from Yahoo!, 6 August 2008:
“Feds: Scientist ‘only person responsible’ for 2001 anthrax attack”
If that’s the case, then can someone logically explain how a single scientist could scare George W. Bush sufficiently such that he would be on Cipro, the anthrax vaccine, the day of the September 11 attacks? It’s more distractive bulls--- for brainwashed, naive fools to buy into the fantasy that our government is making progress in “combating terrorism”.
Aside, Tomas Estrada-Palma: very interesting points.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Mike the ” we will have a new understanding of mankind ” put you straight into the new age prozac crowd.
Go to bed the little bus comes early.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Imagine if we had a system of justice in this country which let criminals suspected of any major crime hypocritically conduct taxpayer-funded investigations of their own misdeeds. Does anyone honestly believe they would be so stupid as to incriminate themselves? Why do we think Congress, the FBI, or any other accomplices to the most heinous crimes of our time will do any differently? This investigation has not been marred by incompetence, but by bloody corruption– from the top down. No amount of complaining to our government officials will change it. The most we can hope for is to let them believe they got away with it while we wait to pounce on their errors.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Ivins was a rabid zionist.
This was a Letter to the editor of the Fredrick, Maryland Newspost newspaper
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End of ‘dialogue’
Originally published August 24, 2006
Rabbi Morris Kosman is entirely correct in summarily rejecting the demands of the Frederick Imam for a “dialogue.”
By blood and faith, Jews are God’s chosen, and have no need for “dialogue” with any gentile. End of “dialogue.”
– BRUCE IVINS, Frederick
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Here’s the link:
http://www.fredericknewspost.c…..ryID=60355
August 7th, 2008 at 7:56 am
FBI first blamed an Egyptian at the lab , then Hatfield , then Ivans , maybe Paris Hilton next .
August 7th, 2008 at 8:47 am
There seems to be a lot of suicides???
August 7th, 2008 at 8:51 am
FBI= Frequintly Botched Investegations.. We are so F^#$ed. Hey Jesus if your comming, now might be as good a time as any..
August 7th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
The major news story/stories that will distract everyone from the anthrax “case” will be the Olympics (tomorrow) and then the selection of VP candidates. Great timing by the Bush admin.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
…Ah-bdi… How dare you ?!?
August 13th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Tomas Estrada-Palma at 21, what you posted is very interesting indeed. Can you please supply some links on the web for further reading?