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German Shooter Avid Violent Video Game Player
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CARTER DOUGHERTY
The New York Times
March 12, 2009
WAIBLINGEN, Germany — A portrait of a troubled, depressed teenager with easy access to an unsecured pistol began to emerge on Thursday, a day after the youth went on a rampage, killing 15 people before taking his own life.
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Searching his bedroom, the police found violent computer games — in which, experts say, players digitally clothe and arm themselves for combat — plus brutal videos and play weapons that fire small yellow pellets, said Siegfried Mahler of the Stuttgart prosecutors’ office. And they were seeking to verify the authenticity of a reported posting to a chat room in which someone warned of an attack on a school in Winnenden.
Rather than speak of a specific motive, investigators described Mr. Kretschmer as a classic case of a conflicted young man who wreaked havoc in real life after savoring imaginary violence in the digital world.
“If we had known this in advance, we would have called him a prototype of a rampager,” said Erwin Hetger, the chief of police in Baden-Württemberg, the southeastern German state where the crimes took place.
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March 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
That’s why he did the shooting. It was because he was hooked on video games and thought life was just a video game. Ban video games!
Krealix Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
i hope your joking, its self control i used to play extremely violent video games yet i am very calm and coolheaded, infowars should remove this article
jc Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
It’s not so much infowars bashing video games guys come on…most of us are of the video game generation and I dont mean Mrs. Packman and space invaders but nothing beats a tough day if you feel like just relaxing on the couch not going anywhere or going to the gym than popping in some GTA4 and taking it to the police dont care what anyone says and with that being said that is a game and yes people sometimes are very very mental and for whatever reason think what is in a crime simulation is the same as real life and something lead them to believe things like that because before the actual game what was there but an idea.
stillchaoticandthetimelords Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
The NYT article is pretty retarded, agreed.
They don’t really focus on the root of the problem which is that some people are just plain insane. If it’s not video games then it’s drugs…then it’s he is anti-government, etc… anything but maybe the dude is insane…
I play video games. I know it’s not real. Still, I deeply immerse myself in these games… like COD2 and COD4 multiplayer. I love it that it allows me to experience these — idealized– combat situations. Intense! It’s just immersion virtual reality man. I guess you can label me a pussy for wanting these virtual experiences instead of going out and doing it 4 real, like in the military or something. That’s why I’m doing it in the first place!
stillchaoticandthetimelords Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
HOLD UP!!!
I forgot… there is the possibility that this guy was brain-washed into doing it…
protocol18 Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The problem Is drugging our populace with mind altering substances that are known to cause some people to lose it.The scenario is always the same.They have a vacant cold look.Many times they don’t remember what happened.
“Though doctors have been warned. We do know that the FDA have recently warned doctors that antidepressants can cause both suicidal and homicidal thoughts. In a 2004 survey of physicians, over 80% of their patients were oversubscribed . Even doctors say they feel pressured to prescribe without knowing all they should. Between 1998 and 2002, the use of prescription medication by children between the ages of 0 and 5 jumped 49%. Tested and approved for use in adults, SSRIs are prescribed for children, too. “
stillchaoticandthetimelords Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Drugs definitely can be a factor, but it still depends on the individual. But the problem is they may be feeding them to individuals whom otherwise would be 100% fine without these drugs. Then again, it may be a debate about whether we should use drugs to treat people, or where to draw the lines and such. who is to decide whom should take these drugs? The doctors aka the professionals?
Can we trust them?
Taken into consideration of all the crap that’s been happening since 9/11 (awoke me) then who the heck knows what is reality and what is fiction, anymore?
Ross Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Not everyone who drinks alcohol becomes an alcoholic either but there are always a certain percentage who cannot resist the addiction. The same principle applies here. It comes down to the rights of the strong vs the safety of the weak and those whom they hurt.
CrackedUniverse Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
That kid is turning out to be a psycho. I play PC games, and never do I even think about killing another person, let alone shooting spree. It’s called self control, and abiding by the laws of nature. Now, he may have played video games, but he was something else too. Get real.
Griz Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:25 am
If you want to talk about addictions, try “psychological counseling” and the drugs he was likely prescribed. Yes, I don’t think that violent video games had nothing to do with this. I do think that the drugs likely prescribed to this young man and the games could have been a deadly mix. But, one thing is sure: that handgun NEVER FIRED ITSELF and if he couldn’t have taken his father’s gun, he may have used a baseball bat, an axe handle or a claw hammer. True that the death toll would have been lower, but German gun laws certainly ARE NOT TOO LAX! This is a “good use of a crisis” as a political agenda tool, as always.
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
http://www.callofduty.com/hub HELL NO DONT BAN VID GAMES THEY HAVE NO EFFECT ON PEOPLE THATS BULLSHIT
inyourservice Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
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you have to read the article on the shooting in montreal
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Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:10 am
heck yeah its the anti-depresants he was on.
people kill people not videogmes.
inyourservice. in monteral kim veer gil played lots a super columbine massacre and admired the two for what they did.
he was on vampire freaks with his gun.
just like kid from finland on youtube with gun saying he’d kill his principal and he did.
columbine massacre created the trend, and most school shootings, the shooters know of the columbine massacre and those two, and/or they felt for them, played the super columbine massacre. even that virgina tech guy killed him self just like the two from columbine.
it all started with those two jews
Dave Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Its a cocktail of things when placed together, usually end up with a mass casualty shooting spree.
A simple equation actually:
(Disturbed Person) + (SSRI Drugs) + (Violent Video Games & Media) = “Shooting Spree”
Remove at least one of the parts of the equation and you reduce the risk.
Officer Dave
Dave Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Its a cocktail of things when placed together, usually end up with a mass casualty shooting spree.
A simple equation actually:
(Disturbed Person) + (SSRI Drugs) + (Violent Video Games & Media) = “Shooting Spree”
Remove at least one of the parts of the equation and you reduce the risk.
Officer Dave
Mason Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Are you kidding me video games shouldnt be banned. The child was obviously screwed up before that. Where were his parents in all of this?
COD5 Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
COD 5 IS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!!!!!!
I love video games.
xbox live RULES!
Gabe Reply:
March 14th, 2009 at 1:24 am
That is the most idiotic statement ever. I hope your being sarcastic. Drunk Drivers use cars to hit people, BAN CARS. Gangsters use guns to shoot people, BAN GUNS.
It’s not cars, it’s not guns, it’s not movies, it’s not video games. It’s the people. The individual. Your talking about a radical with severe mental illness and delusion, whether he played violent video games or not, he would have went down the same road. He was attracted to violence in games in the first place due to his mental illnesses.
You might as well ban movies too, they go hand in hand with games. If violent video games cause kids to go out and massacre people then so do violent movies.
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March 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
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March 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
“…and thought life was just a video game.”
Thats very unrealistic. People can tell the difference between video games and real life. The teen was troubled before the video games were an issue, obviously. When some one is as troubled as that, its stupid to think its because of one factor.
Blaming video games is a way for violent people to get off with a slap on the wrist.
gordholio Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
You’re assuming that everyone can tell the difference between fantasy and reality, when in a few cases (very rare) this is not true. Not everyone sees things normally. Just because 99% of kids (or people) know the difference, doesn’t mean that some do not.
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
YUP TRUE TRUE THATS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE TRIED TO BLAME RAP AND HIP HOP FOR THE REASON WHY THEY FUCKED UP IN LIFE GET REAL
mmm Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RAP and Hip hop comes from black criminal neighborhoods. It’s a culture that is pushed through the jewish music industry who glorify it and brainwash the youth to get into it.
This culture is violent, simple as that. If you do study who is more violent and have more convictions based on rap-hi hop and gamers. You find hi hop and rappers have major criminal records. Just look at all the rap stars always involved in shootings, even deaths. Such as tupac. RAP and HI-HOP should be banned… People should be aware that no white person would push that music, but the jews are more then happy to.
This german boy with german self-hatered prompted by the state and mental problem is the cause of this mess. The game’s just gave him the twisted idea. Btu his mind was the problem as he was ill.
gordholio Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Kids today in many cases, are not taught by their parents properly (or they don’t even have a father and a mother who are together. Kids are perhaps more susceptible to bad influences wherever they come from.
Parents need to stay together and step up.
mmm mmm Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 12:10 am
mmm, I know NO Jews who push rap or hip-hop, but what I DO know is that Muslims burn down music stores of any kind in many Muslim Countries… in which one do you live?
Black Sheep Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 12:29 am
That’s oversimplified and seems a bit racist. Speaking of jews and hip hop how many shootouts have the beastie boys been involved in?
mmmd Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Bit racist? I’m stating facts of reality, to state the facts of reality one becomes a racist?
The ceo’s of the music industry are mainly Jewish this is a fact of reality, those selling and prompting rap-hi hop artists are mainly Jewish music company’s. rap-hi hop is culture, the way of dress, the way of speak and the way to think and react to a situation. It’s basically the culture of black ghetto culture which is violent, gang violence etc. They push this type of music/culture onto everyone in the world even white people embrace it as it’s the only youth type culture being pushed out. My point is rap-hi hop is violent culture that cause’s the youth to get into gang’s and commit gang violence, and the music industry which is largely controlled by the jews are the ones responsible for this type of music/culture being pushed out into the public.
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:22 am
RAP= rythm and poetry yeah people say marlyn manson is bad influence. just cause he holds high ranking in the satanic church (riverrend)
bone thugs n harmony are the shit tho!
yeah games are violent but thats what we want, shit we used to watch gladiators kill eachother with swords and shit. i know a few 17 year olds that play alot of video games and they say some twiztid things at times but they do not act.
HEY ITS THE RETARTED PARENTS OK THEY STUPID AS FUCK, YOUR KID HAS DEPRESION AND COULD BE SUICDAL THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TAKE THE FIREARMS OUT OF THE HOME COMPLETELY
ALL WERE LOCKED UP BUT ONE. UH OH! VIDEOGAMES> BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE MURDER IS ILLEGAL. GTA-4 SAINTS ROW MAKES ME DRIVE LIKE A RETARD SO YEAH ONE MUST BE A LIL MORE MATURE
March 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
It all makes sense now. He played violent videogames, and they made him go on a killing spree. We must ban all video games so we can save humanity!
LOL Why is this article here?
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
NO KIDDING NEXT ITS BAN MUSIC HOW ABOUT BAN CIGGS SERIOUSLY I HAVE LOST MORE OF MY FAMILY FROM FUCKING CANCER THEN SOME TUNES OR A VID GAME STUPID STORY ON HERE THIS IS THE WORSE I HAVE EVER SEEN FOR INFOWARS ;-(
March 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
So since i’ve played Call Of Duty, i should join the army?
Since i’ve played counter-strike, i should go around acting as either a terrorist or a counter-terrorist?
People who say violent video games are why kids are violent are simply just idiots
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
MODERN WARFARE AND WORLD AT WAR BEST VID GAMES I EVER PLAYED PS3 GURU420
KDIZZLL Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:33 am
i heard that! can’t wait for new waw maps and mw2 in october.
COD5 Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
I AGREE!!!! I CANT WAIT UNTIL THE NEW ZOMBIE MAPS COME OUT FOR COD 5!!!! WOHOO!!! IM SO STOKED!!!!!!! ADD ME ON XBOX LIVE xUnionxSovietx Is my gamer tag wohoo we can play zombie mode. The higest level I got on there was 27….. What about you?
March 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I’d bet the chemtrails and HAARP working together did it to him.
gordholio Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Why look for a convoluted reason. Some people are just screwed up in the head for various reasons (or perhaps given themselves over to evil).
March 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Chemicals in foods is why! Video games don’t help either. When I was that age we were putting Briggs and Stratton engines into Bicycles and Ripping down the road at 40mph! And to think this happened very near to where Herr Benz and Herr Daimler put an engine into a Daimler Carriage in 1886!
March 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
The video games are likely not the cause for the real violence, but you have to wonder about why kids want to play some of these violent games. Games are getting more realistic and perhaps some kids lack the ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality. That’s not the fault of the game, but some sort of character flaw in their brain (or mind).
jackpontiac Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
The flaw in the brain is caused by chemicals in foods! LOOKIT! they did not have people like this when I was that age! IT’s THE FKEN FOODS! these chemicals don’t affect adults that much due to lack of growth hormones. Most youths are not affected,but a small % are.
gordholio Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Who knows what causes it. Some people might have an organic cause – something has affected their brain physically or it could be the way they were brought up or they are just not able to separate the imaginary from reality for whatever reason.
I don’t think this has all been figured out yet.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
If violent toys have zero legitimacy in engineered society, why are people legally allowed to sell them?
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
JUST LIKE CIGGS YOU CANT SMOKE EM BASICLLY ANYWHERE BUT THERE QUICK TO SELL THEM ITS ALL PHONY
March 12th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
I just wonder what drugs he was taking? They are blaming it on guns and computer games, “well what about the drugs”
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
WHAT ABOUT 911 LIES CHEMTRAILS THE FED RESERVE NEW WORLD ORDER FAKE LEADERS MONSANTO I THINK THOSE ARE MORE HARMFULL THEN SOME VID GAME SO WHAT LIKE I SAID I PLAY MODERN WARFARE AND CALL OF DUTY 5 AND YOU DONT SEE ME SHOOTING PEOPLE AND ALL THIS CRAZYNESS WHATEVA SOCIETY CAN BLAME FOR REASONS IT WILL IT NEVER GOES AFTER THE REAL PROBLEM PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK ;-(
protocol18 Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
All of the mass shooters are on or coming off drugs known to cause pyschosis.Altering the chemicals in your brain can change your behavior.
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March 12th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
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March 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
im 24 years old and i have been gaming my entire life. i have never done anything violent to anyone adn i have a disabled brother who flys into fits of rage.
anyone who blames video games as the cause of violence is completely ignorant. billions of people play games every day, so what are the chances that some nutcase has video games in their posession, well actually its really high.
Boston Revolutionairy Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
MODERN WARFARE AND WORLD AT WAR BEST VID GAMES I EVER PLAYED PS3…BUT WHAT DOES THIS MATTER WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BARE ARMS SO WHAT AMERICA AND OTHER NATIONS ARE BULIT ON VIOLENCE =)
monkey_mayhem Reply:
March 12th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Hey, it’s a known fact that Jack the Ripper and Adolph Hitler played violent video games when they were kids and look how they turned out.
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:26 am
LMFAO YEAH THATS WHAT THEY SAY…
monkey_mayhem Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Sounds like that goofy brother of yours needs to lay off the Super Mario Brothers for a while..lol
March 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
you CANNOT blame gaming on voilent act. thats like saying ” i burnt down my house because my screen saver was a fire.” they don’t fit.
Bad Bad article in my opinion. way to go on the propaghanda
March 12th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
MODERN WARFARE AND WORLD AT WAR BEST VID GAMES I EVER PLAYED
March 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
http://www.callofduty.com/hub
March 12th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
the kids is just crazy video games, movies bs world of war modern warfare great games
http://www.libertywheel.com
KDIZZLL Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:42 am
hell yeah brother mp40 and p90 i’ll ralph nader you.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
also check coreofcorruption.com
March 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I wish Jones would have me on his show to speak on video game violence. I am a 25 year old male who has been a HUGE video game fan for as long as I can remember. I am also a child of a broken home with a violent father. I have played almost every game out there that has stirred up controversy over the violence contained within, but I have never even given thought to carrying out such vile acts in reality.
Video games DO NOT make killers. It takes a special kind of psycho to go out and kill someone. Do I think that video games can contribute? Probably so; however, it is not fair to put out news articles with headlines that seem to make a connection between violent video games and real world violence. That is a lot like MSM propaganda, and I simply cannot go along with it.
Also, let me say this. We are all entitled to our opinions. Alex Jones is an upstanding person, and I have a massive amount of respect for him. He is dead on about many of his predictions and warnings, but I cannot agree with this video game thing. It takes more than a simple video game to turn a person into a murderous lunatic.
If you see this, Alex, have someone send me an email. I’d love to talk on air with you for a bit about this topic. I won’t call in during your show for it because I know you are always so pressed for time.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Infowars shouldn’t have a problem with video games… this article shows that the mainstream media is blaming entertainment for the evils in society, and pushes for regulation.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Here’s the recipe :
You need a young teenager , a bit disoriented and still a bit wet behind the ears , marinate in a
materialistic environment where only appearance matters from birth , expose to constant barrage
of gratuitious sex and violence propaganda , make sure he eats meat and has little respect for
the suffering of animals ( because that will help him have less respect for human suffering ) ,
make him think that if he’s dissatisfied with his industrial slave status , it’s because he has
” existential ” problems and put him on prozac , stick his frustated ass in front of the updated
version of ” Mass Murder 3 ” , a strong cup of the drug “Coffee” , a good dash of the drug
“Alcohol” , a few mean remarks by bullies or bitches at school , a gloomy economic future , toss
( shaken but not stirred ) et voilà !!! You just created the perfect lil asshole , congratulations !!!
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:33 am
DONT EAT MEAT IT MAKES YOU PRIMAL ANIMAL THAT IS VIOLENT AND BLOODTHIRSTY, YOUR MIND IS NOT LOGICAL ITS PRIMAL ANIMAL INSTINCT. BS!
Ok cheeseburgers are awesome stoner snack.
we will be weak if you dont eat meat and brain power will be low.
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
That ain’t true , meat cloggs up the finer brain tissues , what’s really good for brain power
are good milk products , like very hot milk , or using clarified butter in dishes , or certain
herbs like gotu kola , or calamus root ( and ayurvedic brain tonics ) , then you’re talkin’ !!!
March 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I play World of Warcraft. I have a high level Druid. I do not have a criminal record.
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:33 am
yeah cause yeh cant escape that game it has enslaved you.
Spirit of the Greater Good Reply:
March 14th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Thank you for the insult. For the record, I haven’t played it for at least 3 weeks now. The level cap is 80. I’m in no rush to get there. Not everyone that plays WoW LIVES on the game. Generalizing just makes YOU look stupid.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
To blame this on video games is utterly stupid, if lil Billy was being a retard it is because lil Billy is a retard, blame dad and mom too since that has become the norm these days. Dad would have taken lil Billy out behind the wood shed and whooped his ass the first time he started his destructive attitude then maybe this wouldn’t have happened, but if lil Billy (or Kraus) was taken out back we would have people yelling abuse!
They took off Beavis and Butthead and replaced it with JackAss, are you for real, monitor your damn kids as best you can and teach them right, that is your job as a parent. Then maybe we wouldn’t see this type of thing happen so often. Spare the Rod, Spoil the child, then you have enough nerve to get upset about how they dress and how they act, next thing your on the news wringing your hands and saying “he was such a nice boy” kool aide drinking sheeple, take responsiblity for your actions and stop raising a bunch of panzies who think the world owes them something!
To hell with that, how about teaching them to work for something and earning their keep. Bottom line, if you don’t know the difference between real and make believe your the one with the problem, weak minded monkeys will always blame instead of taking responsibility. Perfect examples run throughout this room as to why we find ourselves in the shape we are in today, why not just sign over all your rights to the Government because that is the road you are on when you use these type of lame arguements.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I would also like to state that I understand that this article was not written by anyone associated with Alex Jones. I am just not very sure why it is even posted. I guess I’m just a lot like Alex in that I get overly pissed off when I hear people demonizing things that have been nothing but a positive influence in my life.
I would still welcome any offers to speak with Alex on this issue. I am well aware of the dire circumstances we all face in America and the world, but this deserves attention as well. Next thing you know they’ll be confiscating our gaming consoles and games.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Blaming the games for violent crimes is the same as blaming guns! This article shouldn’t be here. I’ve played the violent games, watched the violent movies, listened to heavy metal, and had access to guns since I was a young child. The difference is my parents taught me right from wrong. They knew what I was doing. If I done something wrong, I got my ass spanked. They didn’t care that I watched the movies, played the games, listened to the music. They knew that I knew right from wrong. They knew it was JUST A GAME! They knew it was just music. They knew it was just a movie. They knew that I knew.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
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March 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I don’t want to put the majority of posters down; I enjoy the occasional violent video game as well, but I think violent games can influence a kids behavior. I notice my kids get more violent towards one another when they play a shoot-em up as opposed to something like a racing game. When playing time splitters (the less graphic version, btw) they tend to argue more, and wail on each other a lot more. I sometimes even need to step in and make them switch off the console for a bit when they get “too into the game”.
It’s a combination of adrenaline and a younger brain that doesn’t quite control it’s impulses as well as an adult one.
My youngest still thinks the stuff he sees in cartoons and commercials is real half the time. I need to sit him down occasionally and remind him, “You know that’s all pretend, right?”.
You folks can seriously underestimate how much a younger mind can misinterpret input. There’s a biological aspect to it as well; Playing war sims makes your fight or flight responses kick in, surviving in a game has many of the same reqirements as surviving an actual fight. In some more heated deathmatches of Red Faction II, even I, and my friends, get more aggressive, throwing around more smacktalk than professional wrestlers. There is a noticable change that comes on when playing certain games.
Granted, It more noticable when you, say, play paintball, then it would when you play a first person shooter, but elevated breathing, heartrate, adrenaline and brain activity are there in either scenario. The more immersive the game, the stronger the effect.
Now, this shooter was older than my kids, but he was still young. It may not be the root cause, but it may have contributed to the degree of disconnect.
Incidentally, this is why I regulate what games my kids play. Neither of my kids are allowed to play the M rated stuff, and my youngest only gets to play what I have played through myself, and personally approve of as being appropriate for his age (his older brother is allowed a little more slack in that department). Still, the worst part is, if that’s all a kid does al day is play video games! half the time, I almost have to physically push them out the door to play outside when they are really into one. It’s not entirely the game itself per-se, it’s the amount of time they are disconnected from reality; If that german kid had no friends, no “positive” social activities beyond sitting at his computer playing FPS games, it’s no suprise to me that he would disconnect from reality.
Just look at some of those die-hard MMORPG gamers, a lot of those people are so far from reality, it gets pretty scary! there’s a reason they call it “EverCrack”!
Not saying it’s the games; it’s the people that play them, and some people can’t distinguish the line between sim and reality as easily as most. Just some food for thought.
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:38 am
well one gets pissed off if the other keeps killing you and you keep loseing its funny to see the halo kid or halo player on youtube: kid gets mad and screams, some games are confuseing and one screams cause you dont know where to go or what to do.
FALLOUT 3 thats pretty fun stuff with the bloody mess perk lol
March 12th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
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March 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Drugs are often used by violent criminals but Joe here say that he have smoked his pipe and frequently consumes a few units of beer but still he wouldn’t even hurt a fly so their you see, drugs wont trigger anyone to become violent. Myths
March 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
i wouldnt be quick on pointing the finger on violent video games, it is said that the kid sufferred from depression maybe look into to see if he was on anti depressives, more and more we are hearing about agressions of people on these types of drugs???
March 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I bet he drank milk when he was a kid. Maybe it was the milk that made him do it!
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:44 am
the columbine kids played a game of bowling before they went shooting, they also made a videogame simulation of their shcool, that they practiced and trained and planed and went through before real deal.
Samson Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Oh no! They made a simulation? So that’s what made them do it?
March 12th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Scubasteve, that’s also a really good point, I spak from experience on that one. I was on ritalin from early grade school age up through 6th or 7th grade, in the short term it was beneficial, but over a long period, it started to take it’s toll. It didn’t so much make me violent, more spaced out than anything, but it sure has some gnarly side effects (gives one srange sensations and it gave me the shakes really bad over time), especially when your body physically rejects it. I’ve known some people who take adarol (sic?) and it makes people whacked.
A perscription is fine, if you are properly diagnosed and genuinely benefit from it, but more often than not these days, such meds are overperscribed to those who are misdiagnosed. Incidentally, I was put on Ritalin when it was very new; they just called it ADD back then, not ADHDODLMNOP or whatever the terminology is these days. I guess I was sort of a “test case” back then.
These days, I control my attention deficit with strict mental discipline and diet; the condition generally disappears for the most part after puberty, but I still suffer form an ability to focus occasionaly. It’s definitely a real disorder, but most people are misdiagnosed with it and don’t actually have it, I’d guess at about 60% of those that are treated for ADD of some type don’t actually suffer from it, and the meds actually make their actual conditions, wether obseesive compulsive, manic/depressive or whatever, worse than if they were on no meds at all.
If asked by a school or a doctor for a diagnosis, definitely get a seccond opinion (and get an EEG done, a written test doesn’t confirm the condition, not by a longshot!)
Cullen MacLean Reply:
March 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Big E:
Sorry to hear about what you were forced to endure at such a young age.
It wasn’t your fault. You do not need to sugar-coat the situation or put a liberal and “reasonable” sounding spin to it. There is nothing… and I mean NOTHING… o-kay about the Big Pharma aspect of global enslavement, and the drugging of helpless children.
With all due respect, you are a prime example of their objectives.
Educate yourself.
http://www.cchr.org/#/home
March 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
To Big-E:
You should really reconsider allowing your kids to play violent video games. Not knowing their ages I can only guess that they are probably too young to be subjected to violence in any form whether it be video games, movies, or domestic.
I know this may come off a little rude. I truly do not mean any disrespect, but if your kids are violent after playing violent video games it is because you allowed them to play the games in the first place.
Kids are highly impressionable. I’m talking small kids, not 17 year old kids. Consider this, I am speaking from experience when I tell you that I have had many things in my life that I could use to try and justify such a sick thing, but the only thing separating me from that is the fact that I’m not a raging lunatic.
Your long drawn out post was well thought out and well meaning, but it was a waste, ultimately.
March 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Two words: Psychiatric drugs. Video games didn’t cause this.
March 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
i wish some of these martyrs would unleash themselves on the bilderbergers.
March 12th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
No way video games are good!! just watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=channel
March 12th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
My Prognisis:
Certainly, he was conditioned to allegorizing his game for his life-struggle!
People, you who are older than 17, do not remember what a twisted-world it is for them!
Adult expectations and child rights! It is a mad world, most families are conditioned to madness, and the almighty buck. Kids and generation gaps, communicating, on a parent’s part, is not same with a seventeen year old.
How did I come to all this when I myself am near half-a-century(I say this without vanity)?
I attended ACOA AlAnon AA NA, and as well, I studied, intensely and long and hard, the books videos of (another great although, also, yet quite unknown Texan!) John E Bradshaw of Houston. See his stuff on his website johnbradshaw.com
Now I do not reject that many perhaps are brainwashed, used for secret murderous wars.
Many, also are duped, being uneducated or unsophisticated, even neive or overly trusting.
Christians are supposed to be as directed “be wise as serpants and meek as lambs” but most simply become mezmerized into a ‘friendly state’ which happy endorphins lead to error and trust in one’s unworthy of trust.
maybe the boy in Australia, that led to the usurpation of ownership of firearms there, mistakenly and manipulatively; Those Ozzies were led down the garden path!
They would be defecating bricks now, if this was still during the Japanese threat, yes? But the world is far more dangerous if less pugnacious, rooms no longer smoke filled, as our recollections of bar rooms, in the west, even as are in Australia. Less manslaughters, more precision bombing. Increased (self-appointed ‘illuminate’) attacks in the forms of silent kills, bacteriological and secret-wars murders, kidnapping, torture.
We feared the bamboo slivers under the nails, but forgot to fear and precaution against the old rotten crowns of kings and self-appointed money-kings!
March 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
How many millions of kids have been brought up on violent video games now? Hell I was playing Wolfenstien 3d when I was 5 years old. That doesn’t give me an inclining to go out on a rampage, what about times past when kids were given cap guns and played ‘army’? I think the emphasis should be placed on how modern society or parenting rather consist of feed the child and let him/her play video games/watch tv.
Where are the parents?
Where are the teachers that notified his parents of troubling behavior, or anti-social behavior?
The problem is not video games, the problem is as clear now as it was after Columbine.
Parents that have left parenting up to everyone else are to blame. Also parents that give the kids whatever they want. not having to work for it; on top of that not spanking the kid when he/she does something wrong. When a teenager gets older and realizes the world isn’t as easy as mommy and daddy would like him/her to believe, the kid becomes ‘disturbed, depressed’, when the real culprit is neglect, years of it! Start being PARENTS not ‘Friends’.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
I own firearms, airsoft, paint markers, pellet guns, play Goldeneye, Half Life 2, and was put on psychotropic meds as a kid. I was abused by my parents, left in group homes, homeless shelters, friends’ houses, that whole mess. I turned out fine, and not as a Manchurian candidate. I ended up becoming a patriot that wakes up zombies to the Bill of Rights and Constitution!
March 13th, 2009 at 2:09 am
the guy who shot up virginia tech didn’t play any video games so this argument is meaningless
stop trying to link these two things together. if you want to make an actual link to something real why don’t you say “he lived in a disgusting world controlled by evil and money hungry elites”
maybe that would explain a thing or two…
Dimension^Heart >:[ Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 3:50 am
yeaah he did play video games dident he play super columbine massarce and CSS an probly other
Samson Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Yeah, he did play games, but he was fucked up before he started playing games. Come on, people.
March 13th, 2009 at 2:25 am
IT WAS SATAN DONE MADE THE BOY DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 13th, 2009 at 2:57 am
There are many that believe the power is with The People. Are you one of them?
http://www.warnthepeople.org
March 13th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Back in the day we used to read crazy adventure novels, and were “obsessed” with action movies and TV shows, and people would blame the occasional rampage on these. Blaming extreme acts of violence on a video game is just a lazy way of avoiding the real causes. The formula seems to be: find a scapegoat, inflict some vengence, then feel good about yourself.
JewAgainstZionism Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 4:59 am
I agree. I really wish Jones wouldn’t venture that way. I know he means well, and I agree with everything I’ve heard him say pretty much…except for this. I can understand young children. The thing is… the “anti-depressants” and things like”death education” and other things like that are more the culprit.
The globalists combat against violent music and video games. Trust me. I’ve been first hand attacked by them, as many people I know… Al Gore’s wife is one of the biggest anti-violent video games/lyrics advocates on the planet. She sparred it off with Frank Zappa in the 80s on the subject of censoring violent entertainment. Zappa was ON OUR SIDE. I agree that this isn’t necessarily for kids. I did play games like that and listen to music like that as a kid, and I am fine, but I can understand not wanting kids to hear/play it. The reality is: the media is just art, and can be taken in a number of different ways. I am very close friends with a lot of people who create games like that. You would be surprised at how many are on OUR SIDE. They battle against the media conglomerates, politicians, globalists, and think tanks to get it out. The globalists are trying to kill these markets. Why would they try to kill them, and be promoting them at the same time? keep in mind… I am aware of the illuminati infiltration into the markets… there is a difference… one glorifies, while the other doesn’t.
JewAgainstZionism Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 5:05 am
For example. Check out GTA4. It spews a lot of truth. It speaks out satirically against Eugenics, false flag terrorism, false left right paradigms, political rhetoric, eugenic food modification, illuminati bank control, etc… The Rockstar crew have a history of injecting truth and very topical social and political satire to teach people in it. It’s not their fault that some people don’t get it. It’s there. They do take a few shots at our community, but more toward the element that we all know is beyond reality (UFOs, reptilians, stuff like that).
JewAgainstZionism Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 5:06 am
It’s the nature of satire anyway… you have to make fun of EVERYBODY… from what I see… they know exactly what’s going on, and they can see how terrible it is.
March 13th, 2009 at 3:47 am
there is one video game that features the ILLUMINATI and other crazy shit DEUS EX and the DEUS EX invisible wars, Tomb raider movie too.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:48 am
smeeeeeeeh, I got him to do it
March 13th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Alex Jones: this is one thing that I disagree with you on. You have to understand, video games are a part of the culture of the last couple of generations. We ALL play violent video games. I do, as well. I enjoy them. I never feel violent impulses. The video games are no different than target shooting. I’ve done both, and feel no different between either exercise. Keep in mind, people like me (metalheads) get harassed a lot of the time because of people who think that if you are interested in anything like that you are a psychotic killer. Please do not spread that. Al Gore’s own wife is the biggest campaigner against this sort of thing. Shouldn’t that tell you something?
The Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors are MUCH more to blame than some harmless video games. I could use the same logic on gun owners, even though it’s not true. Should I mention that anyone who is engaging in target practice is going to be a mass murderer? What of the millions of kids who play violent games and listen to violent music who are very sensible, normal people, no different than yourself. What of all of those who do so, who are on your side. I understand a little kid not playing these, but come on.
This is coming from someone who supports you and the cause of freedom/anti violence/anti NWO A LOT. Again… the only thing I can disagree with you on. The only people who will do this kind of thing have other delusions, and they will be triggered by anything… including someone looking at them the wrong way on the street. The military uses certain types of games to recruit, that have heavily buried propaganda. I’ve tried them. They are different.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:09 am
He looks at the city where no one had known him.
He looks at the sky where no one looks down.
He looks at his life and what it has shown him.
He looks for his shadow it cannot be found…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:51 am
always blaming games, they never blame the industry or school or the real problem, they just put it on the innocent game and say ‘case close’. games are so innocent and helpful to us, we are so vile and always blaming the games for our on weakness and inability of self control and understanding.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:04 am
ironically, the US Army put out a game that has been a huge hit across the First-Person-Shooter videogame community called America’s Army. So if the govt starts blaming videogames for shooting, maybe they should look at the propaganda they themselves our putting out to highschoolers to lure them into joining the army so that they can “counter insurgents” and “protect america.”
March 13th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Police are verbally and psychologically shackled by their masters to the degree that what they say is so censored, it comes off stilted and inane. How about the anti depressants he was most likely on or had been prescribed? These in conjunction with the video game and the hellishness of the outside world is most likely what drove him. Of course its by and large by design. Order out of chaos.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I love mainstream media. Anytime a kid goes berserk, they blame video games.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Just like guns don’t kill people….people kill people. Same with these violent games. I detest those games, have never played them and never will. I do know there are millions playing them and they’re not going out and killing. So what do we do when there’s that one in millions who cannot psychologically handle it? One thing I do know for certain though…a lot of kids today are fucked up. Between the pathetic parenting, single mothering, the schools brainwashing, tv and videos a lot of kids don’t stand a chance. Oh, and lets not forget the satanic rule of our government.
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 9:44 am
It also depends on the game !!! Theodore Bundy said that “comics” depicting cruelty and sexual
depravity , from his youth , got him going and where a great source of inspiration , so at least ,
all that shit isn’t helpfull , if not a right out a trigger !!!
P.S. It’s not like being trained as a Shaolin monk , is it , you knuckleheads !!!
March 13th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Millions upon millions play these games everyday. We do it for the same reason we played war as a little kid just like every generation of young boys has. If you look at the ratio of people who play these games and don’t go killing vs the ones that do its impossible to say these games cause it. If millions upon millions of people smoked (they do) and only a handful of them got cancer it wouldn’t be enough to say that smoking causes cancer. But since millions DO get cancer we know it does. The same goes for these video games. Once millions of gamers start going on rampages and there are rivers of blood in the streets then I’d say you have a case but until then its ridiculous to blame the games. And since EVERYBODY within a certain age range plays these games OF COURSE everybody within that certain age range that does kill somebody played these games.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am
What a shock! I”ve said for years that all that these violent and ultrarealistic video games do is provide free training for would-be killers. Using realistic weapons with realistic results allows these guys to do as many “dry runs” as needed to rehearse their attack before pulling it off. These games serve no useful function and should be banned. I know that not everyone who plays these games is going to go load up a couple of shotguns and some nines and go shoot up a mall or school. But at the very least, these games DESENSITIZE people to the results of graphic violence. These games are not the sole cause of the degradation of society, but they certainly play a contributing role. What purpose is there to playing games that use real weapons to kill “real” people? When I was young, games were all about shooting little cartoon aliens or other innocuous stuff.
ARM-RESIST Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Shut the fuck up agent.
March 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Guys guess what game they said he played – Counter Strike!
“players digitally clothe and arm themselves for combat”
Buy armor and pick which guns you want to use.
Lol… well done at making it sound evil. Most gamers have played Counter Strike, I still play it a few times a week. And I don’t feel like shooting up my old school.
Guess we need to ban all violent games, movies, TV, and books.
Trying to link it to gaming is retarded. the kid was messed up in the head.
March 13th, 2009 at 11:59 am
This kind of says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5dP5gy2Vs
Vendetta Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
yep.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Everything in moderation is a good thing.
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
March 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Like the bubonic plague in moderation ?!? What if somebody raped your wife ” in moderation ”
or shot your dog ” in moderation ” ?!?
March 13th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Clinton the war criminal used the Columbine massacre as a pre-text to bully the theater chains into demanding ID and a minimum age requirement for anybody who wanted to watch an R-rated movie. Obama the war criminal will probably use this to bully the video game sellers into demanding ID and a minimum age requirement for anybody who wants to buy or rent a game rated M (for Mature). It’s all done by design to show you that you’re a slave and that you’re expected to show your papers at the whim of the criminal government.
March 14th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Who put this shit on here. I used to play tons of video games many of which contained extreme violence. It didn’t make me want to go out and kill people. I am one of the most friendly and trustworthy as a person gets, and I am against nonsensical violence. WHEN IT IS REAL. Just because I am against unprovoked real world violence does not mean I don’t enjoy killing an entire army in God of War.
This article is just shit. I can’t believe it was put on here. I wish I could articulate my beliefs on it better but if I make it too long nobody will read it anyway.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:32 am
The mainstream news ALWAYS focuses on the games and other violent media the rampager’s look at, and barely mention the fact that almost all of these nutjobs are on medication of some sort. They also never mention the fact that these loonies always target a population that is unarmed. You do not see them walking into a police station, or military compound. They are afraid of resistance. why is that?
March 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Al Gore’s wife is historically the biggest anti violent media protester. That should speak volumes.
March 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Preety much every teenager is an ‘avid violent game player’. And I am not saying that is a good thing, actually I believe it’s bad and society in general is on a moral decline, due to the media, internet, computers, and so on. [ I am am programmer and I hate technology - figure that out!
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But even if all kids these days are exposed to video games, violent movies and extremely vulgar language, most of them are not violent or foul mouthed!
Do not blame video games, that is stupid! What you should blame is all those boys who constantly beat him, humiliated him, EVERY DAY; To me, they are the moral authors of this! Just as much as the poor boy. [ Yes it is OK to show pity for a criminal ]
Or blame his STUPID father, for giving him acces to a gun!!! Blame your society for giving guns to everyone!
Do not blame pixels on a computer screen!!
March 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Notice how “The New York Times” headlined the story slanting it to blame GUNS. The “Grey Lady” didn’t want to deal with the real root cause – violent video games. Kudos to infowars to putting Violent Video Games in its headline. Notice too, this young kid as reported in the “paper or record” was able to kill two with careful head shots. I forget which school shooting it was, in the South I think: A boy much younger had a kill ratio near 100%. http://www.killology.com called it the highest kill ration ever on record – and the kid never even went to a range, he had broken into his Dad’s gun locker. He learned it all playing the video games. Thank you, Mr. Gates (imprisonable).
March 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I would like to remind everyone that Hitler, Stallin, Mao, and other excessive violent people didn’t play video games, watch Looney Toons, or any violent television.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Psalm 101:3 “I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes”
uh-huh Reply:
March 14th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Better go blind quick then. >.>;
March 15th, 2009 at 8:27 am
So sick and evil is this world that we call earth and our home…..And to see the lives of our young boys and girls acting so strange and twisted….And for these video game companies to produce nothing but killing games and evil….Shame on you Sony and Xbox!….Your video of Killzone 2 should make more minds corrupt and twisted!!….I’ve played video games before when PacMan was out…But nothing like today!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
HERE IS YET MORE PROOF OF THE DECADENT ROLE VIDEO GAMES PLAY IN OUR SOCIETY!!
THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE BUT TO MAKE KIDS LAZY, DESENSITIZE THOUGHTS AND PROMOTE HATRED OF OTHERS!! WE MUST PUSH TO BAN ALL VIDEO GAMES IMMEDIATELY!!