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Greenpeace Founder: No Proof of Global Warming
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ROCKY BARKER
Idaho Statesman
April 25, 2008
Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power – a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.
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The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing, and there is a high-enough risk that “true believers” like Al Gore are right that world economies need to wean themselves off fossil fuels to reduce greenhouse gases, he said.
“It’s like buying fire insurance,” Moore said. “We all own fire insurance even though there is a low risk we are going to get into an accident.”
The only viable solution is to build hundreds of nuclear power plants over the next century, Moore told the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday. There isn’t enough potential for wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal or other renewable energy sources, he said.
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April 25th, 2008 at 4:57 am
Wow, even he is saying that.
April 25th, 2008 at 5:02 am
…beep beep……..
April 25th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Ya.. the chemistry of the air is changing because of all the chemtrails they keep spraying on us. It’s right in front of us, and hardly anyone is aware. Lookup CHEMTRAILS. This isn’t normal contrails from jets, the government is spraying something to keep us sick, alter the atmosphere or deafen our sense of awareness.
April 25th, 2008 at 6:29 am
what if the nuclear power plants broke. people would die all over the courtry.
April 25th, 2008 at 6:32 am
There IS enough wind and water power, they just can’t make enough money sharing it.
Larry Hagman-from TV show DALLAS, has wind and solar power in his Calif home. He makes enough for himself and about 200 other homes in the surroundg area. He sells it to the local electric co.
How stupid does Greenpeace think we are??????
If everyone had solar panels and battery storage for themselves the Corp Electric Co.s would go OUT OF BUSINESS. TOOLS OF THE NWO, that’s all they are PERIOD.
April 25th, 2008 at 6:47 am
What a bunch of bull! How could he say that there isn’t enough potential for alternative energies. If it wasn’t for the energy monopoly men our entire grid could be sustained with alternative energies. A huge part of the problem are these twisted environmentalists that think higher gas prices, the false oil scarcity, and carbon taxes are going spur growth in alternative energies. It seems to me that if oil was cheap(which it should be…CROOKS!) and the negative effects of the pollution(not CO2 dummies) were brought to the forefront of why people should ween themselves off of oil, people would have more capital to invest in alternatives and things would change faster. Also, I’ve been an “environmentalist” as long as I can remember but this whole “Go Green” schtick is making me want to vomit. Start talking about the real environmental crises going on environmentalists and love your CO2.
April 25th, 2008 at 6:57 am
#6,
I like the cut of your jib! Only problem is expense. I guarantee you that if someone made solar panels large enough to help cut cost, then they would sell like mad. Granted, in the long run, they more than make up the cost, but it’s the thousands of dollars for installation and whatnot that make poor people (like myself) apprehensive.
Though I am looking into smaller solar panels for small appliances (in case of power outages). If you could recommend some places that sell reasonably price small cells, let us know.
April 25th, 2008 at 6:59 am
TXGIRL nailed it, IMO. When I entered the Green movement in ‘73, me and the wife went to some lectures back in Denver, one old fellow talked about a copper smelting plant that ran entirely off of methane generated out of sewage being processed right at the confluence of Cherry Creek and the South Platte. By ‘73 the method was long gone, just like all the trolley cars whose tracks had been ripped up by National City Lines (which Google), a consortium of anti-conservation companies including Firestone, Standard Oil, and GM, that installed rubber-tired internal combustion buses in the many cities, most notably LA, that they pounced on.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Throw patrick moore off of the greenpeace boat…we can make great amount of energy with tides…rotors on a river…rotors in the air..what will he propose next? atomic car propultion.
I wish tesla had his way.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Hey, #8, Lucky One, I can go down to Harbour Freight and get a Sony or Mitsubishi solar panel for around $200 each, and batteries are about $65-70 each.
Also check out KenSolar.com. He’s an advertiser on AJ & GCN. His prices and products are pretty incredible. I personally want a solar generator. SILENT, and no gas req’d. Think about that one……
Also, there is a site for ‘water from air’ generators. It takes the humidity out of the air and can make 10 gals a day or 100 gals a day or the Big Daddy for a whole commercial building @ www. MahaffeyITI.com.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way to get off the ‘grids’. I’m working on it……:)
April 25th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Remember the radioactive mechanics of current nuke plants, will be dangerously radioactive for about half a million years. Someone has to guard them during that time.
Plants life expectancy is about 40 years producing power.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Global Warming is a FACT and it is being opposed because anti-NWO racists don’t want international agencies to control all energy and food production. Wouldn’t it be better for these resources to be controlled by a government BY all races FOR all races rather than the KKKorporate KKKhristian KKKonservative KKKapitalist KKKaucasian KKKomplex? Nuclear power is bad for the world because our using it will disempower Arabic peoples whose only source of enfranchisement is the oil industry.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:35 am
COLLEGE KID, YOU’RE A FILTHY PIECE OF SCUMMY TRASH, I REBUKE YOU IN JESUS’S NAME. NO ONE IS SAYING GLOBAL WARMING ISN’T REAL, AND I’M NOT A RACIST IF I OPPOSE THE SCUM THAT ARE CAPITALIZING ON IT.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Man-made global warming is a hard sell when there’s no real evidence. This isn’t honesty on the part of Mr. Moore, this is a changing of tactics. How many people go to church despite the fact that we can’t prove God’s existance?
April 25th, 2008 at 8:42 am
College Kid
Stars get warmer. Volcanoes put off more greenhouse gases than man ever has. I believe you are a bit misinformed. Try looking at different resources beside what the propaganda mill puts out. What you are talking about is silly.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:50 am
PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT: WHETHER GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL OR NOT, IT’S NOT PRIORITY RIGHT NOW, ALSO, THE PEOPLE PUSHING FOR ACTION, HAVE THE BIGGEST CARBON FOOTPRINTS OF ALL. THE OIL COMPANIES, ROCK STARS WHO FLY ALL OVER CREATION. YET THEY WANT US TO MAKE CHANGES AND PAY MORE TAXES TO FIX THEIR MESS. YAH, WE DRIVE CARS, BUT THEY’RE THE ONES WHO BUILT ALL THESE SPRALLING HIGHWAYS THAT WE HAVE TO NAVIGATE, AND SEND ALL OUR JOBS OVERSEAS SO WE HAVE TO COMMUTE, UP WHERE I LIVE, PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE LIKE 40 MILES TO GET TO WORK BECAUSE THERE’S NO JOBS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. NOT TO MENTION WE ALMOST HAD ELECTRIC CARS, BUT THE OIL COMPANIES AND THE GOVERNMENT KILLED THAT. IT’S REAL FOR SURE, BUT IT’S A BOGUS ISSUE, AND THE GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS CAN’T FIX IT. SO FORGET ABOUT IT.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am
CollegeKid,
You comrade are a socialist. You’ve spent too much time being brainwashed in college.
If history has taught us anything, it is that socialism fails miserably. Global Warming has been happening since the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago, and is a result of the Sun increasing intensity. The Earth is far more likely to be a big ice ball than the wonderful temperature it is now. If we go trying to cool the earth, we may very well trigger a runaway ice age. Nuclear power is the cornerstone of mankind’s energy production. Without nuclear power we would be using coal. The only way to get away from nuclear fission is to move to nuclear fusion using helium3 from the moon. I sure hope you got a good deal on that student loan. lol
April 25th, 2008 at 9:04 am
I think that if we follow the French’s lead on nucelar power technology, it would definitely be beneficial in this country. College Kid has his head up his proverbial ass because all we do by empowering the Arabic people is help line the pockets of the radical factions within their group.
The more money we put into their pocket, the more that they become aligned with our CIA and Covert Agencies and in turn, the more money that we taxpayers are forced to throw at this fake “war on Terror”.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am
FREEDOM KID – you have the freedom to write without shouting. Sometimes we shout because we don’t want to listen. What we need to change is our consciousness, then everything else will become clear.
with respect
April 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
MABYE HE HAS VOICE MODULATION. PEOPLE WITH VOICE MODULATION CAN’T CONTROL THE VOLUME OF THEIR VOICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCE! PEOPLE WITH VOICE MODULATION CAN LEED A PRODUCTIVE AND HAPPY LIFE DESPITE PETTY INTOLERANCE AND BIGGOTRY FROM SOCIETY!!!
April 25th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Type in all caps.That `el show `em.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
http://video.aol.com/video-det.....2257808814
In this video,which I came acroos yeterday shows all the planets being affected by the Sun.NOT just the Earth.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
liar!
April 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
CO2 is no thread
and energy can surely be produced by
alternative power
together with saving where possible
April 25th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
There are lots of ways that we can produce cheap and non polluting electricity without the use of nuclear power. It’s up to us if we use them or not. Stop listening to politicians and start making your own changes. Things will improve if each and every one of us makes our own changes instead of blaming it on everyone else all the time!
April 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Nuclear power has and always will be the most expensive form of energy we could use. Nuclear power companies deliver “cheap” energy then bill the storage of spent nuclear materials to the tax payer by letting the government be responsible for storage – the hidden tax that makes nuclear power economically unfeasible.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The technology exists now (via the Japanese pioneering of plutonium breeder reactors), to reuse was with the end product that gives off little radiation with a half life of a couple decades instead of thousands of years, eliminating the waste aspect of nuclear power.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Guess who Owns 85% of the Worlds Uranium, His name starts with Roth and ends with Child, He Probably owns Patrick Moore too.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Alternative sources of electricity have been around but ignored/suppressed for nearly 100 years. Tesla discovered it, others discovered it but didn’t understand it and now it is finally being added to western science because physics has demonstrated its existence in spite of the electrical engineering world’s objections.
Tom Beardon and his group has invented a motionless generator which produces infinitely more energy than is put in, but since western science denies the possibility of the underlying science being true, it isn’t being developed for mass production. We have the cure, the government knows about it and has known about it for a long time. However, its a lot easier to enslave through taxation than brute force, and so outrageous energy costs are an integral and necessary part of destroying the middle class in the US, and a great excuse for starving the third world to death in the process.
Here’s the site for those of you who want to research it: http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
April 25th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
As far as nuclear energy goes, Pebble Bed reactors are a viable solution to the waste problem. It takes small pellets of radioactive material and encases them in several layers of carbon. The carbon keeps the radiation inside the pellet and since the half-life of the carbon out-lasts the half-life of the uranium or other radioactive material, by the time the carbon were to wear out, the material inside would be perfectly harmless. No risk of leaking drums, or radiation in the water. Germany built one in Africa over a decade ago and it has been a total success. The other benefit to Pebble Bed Reactors is the fact that they are melt-down proof because of the nature of the carbon encasement. MIT did a study on it several years ago and came up with this as the best option for the reasons above as well as the natural consequences of them: No need for huge plants and expensive multiple redundant safety systems if the Pebbles are incapable of radiation leakage or meltdown. The reactors could be extremely small in comparision to conventional nuclear power plants, yet put out the same energy for imeasurably less cost to everyone concerned – which is probably why they haven’t been implemented yet.
If Nuclear energy were the only and best solution, this would be a great start.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:15 am
With all due respect, there are thousands of scientist in several fields of study the world over that would disagree with Patrick Moore. NASA, for example, is as objective as they come, and even many of their scientist site global warming for the NASA observations that the Arctic Ice Sheet has been melting for decades.
I’ve been astonished over the years by how many people will only cite one cool year or even one day’s cold weather as evidence against global warming. One Republican Senator held up the day’s USA Today’s weather map, citing the day’s cool weather as “no evidence for global warming”, while Steve Doocy, the “official” weatherman for “Fox And Friends” committed the same erroneous logic. The data and the literature on Global Warming is based on measurements in decades and centuries, not years, let alone a cold season or a ” cold day”. Nor does do any models of Global Warming theory speculate that there will “no longer be cold weather”. To the contrary, the models indicate that some areas will be colder while other areas will be warmer. We’re starting to see this in terms of decades of Glacial melting and I saw it myself on a cruise ship to Alaska in 2004. The Captain of our ship explained that the place where our 88,000-Ton ship was docked, was “all glazier” just two decades before. It was one of many that had receded almost half a mile in 20 years.
But more recent findings aside, ignoring research on thousands of years of climate change (by measuring earth and permafrost ice core samples, for example) in favor of a year’s colder weather makes about as much sense as ignoring thousands of scientist in favor of one man because he has the authority of being the “Greenpeace Founder”. Authority alone is not truth, and bigger and broader truths should be the authority, until better ones, if any, are brought to light with peer-reviewed evidence. In other words, this should not be about politics, although many Republicans are now seeing the light, including Newt Gingrich, this should be about honest observations for the sake of our children and their children.
Peace and health to all,
Chris Aable
April 27th, 2008 at 4:11 am
# 10
Fleur, I was going to mention Nikoli Tesla myself but ya beat me to the punch. That man was a true genius and was ahead of his time. Edison and his ilk totally screwed him over.
It seems that anytime anyone develops a revolutionary new technology that would benefit mankind, the corporate interest come into play and either by hook or crook, squash the technology. Whether it be free and abundant electricity, water powered autos, cures for cancer and other maladies. If it benefits us then it takes cash out of their coffers.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:30 am
If it were not illegal to use “public” water ways for personal use, a person could theoretically construct a small canal from a river, creek, stream,or lake and lay a pipe network that decreased in size as it lengthened, creating higher water pressure passing through the pipe. Say you went from a six or eight inch pipe at point a and downsized it every so often until you had a 1/4″ opening at point b, then you would have an enormous amount of water pressure spraying out of point b. attatching a series of nozzles and jets in this network and having them spray on a rotor which then turned a generator, one could produce a sufficient amount of dc current which could then be tranformed into ample ac current to power a number of homes. This is similar to the principle of hydro-electric dams that produce power for large municipalities, except that the dams use falling water rather than higher pressures. This could be done relatively cheap. And the coolest thing about it is that you would not need to burn any fossil fuels and any power that you generate that is not used must, by law, be purchased from you by the local utility company if you are tied into their service lines.
April 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Add it up: We’re definitely going to trade fossil fuels in for a better future, and there are two primary choices:
1. “Hundreds of nuclear-fission power plants built over the next decade” providing 1/3rd global energy demand. Let’s see; it’s Toxic and cannot be made safe for direct human handling before, during, or after energy-production, this is pure physics; monopolized fuel resources (prices are controlled); finite fuel resources (prices are subject to supply-spikes); classified/national-security apparatus to protect it; classified skill-sets and management (requiring an Expanded Police State); DoD and other US military/Intelligence agencies’ protective resources to fend off terrorism (requiring an Expanded Defense Expenditure; guaranteed obsolescence in less than 40 years for each and every plant built (plants made of concrete must be shut down in 40 years of use); price-tag of hundreds(?) x US$10 billion each local nuclear plant = 2, 3, 10 US$trillion(?);
or
2. Solar Deserts (see trecers.net for the Hamburg Climate Alliance version), 1/700th of the Earth’s deserts occupied by Concentrated Solar Arrays connected by a global High Tension Grid replaces 100% current energy consumption from all other sources. This option requires no “classified” technology, skills, management because it’s proven 20r+ technology; Solar Deserts depend on the Nuclear FUSION of the Sun with a life expectancy of 4.5 billion MORE years (Not very Finite, and not an Earth-based resource that tears up mountains and reservoirs of nature); Requires no specialized “terrorism protections” ( DoD/Intelligence supervision for sites or development unlike the nuke muddle) since it is spread far and wide like the internet (a technology-plus here is that it may become the back-bone of the next generation super-high bandwidth net of the future); the Sun is always shinning on one side of the planet = “Always Energy”, no emergency shut downs; a few measly US$trillion will supply world-wide blue-collar jobs and investment in a perpetual energy source; totally replace all carbon emissions; provide water desalinization, hydrogen storage/production, and other adaptable byproducts by design; implementation of global cooperation desired, but not prerequisite; We’re Free Again…
Done Deal Folks
April 29th, 2008 at 5:37 am
whether our globe will heat up from 0c to 5c by the end of this century or not, i believe that siberia looks very, very good to our olligarcho-plutocratic rulers
and we are being ruled: and how!
some of us are even traumatized, frightened, angered, muddied. some of “them” are awed by olligarchic oratory, “greatness of america”, etc.
the little girl said, But emperor has no clothes on! by this i mean, obama and hillary are mere actors, hired mouths; a tip of the iceberg; they are mere hired guns (as sheriffs were) for the invisble part of the iceberg.
the real rulers are abt 5-10mn richest americans. it’s money, stupid. it hires not only liars but also kiilers. always, my dear!
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:28 am
#32 Chris Aable, you put it brilliantly. Climate change should be about survival for all of us not politics.