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Gun-Grabbers at the Chicago Tribune
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
June 29, 2008
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| "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers." –Justice Story | |
It really bugs the gun-grabbers that the Supremes did not completely scratch out the Second Amendment last week, although they made a small first step in that direction. For instance, so steamed are they over at the Chicago Tribune they are calling for the Second Amendment to be repealed. As usual, they predicate their argument on three words — “well regulated Militia” — and claim beyond this you and I have no right to own firearms. “The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias. The inartful wording has left the amendment open to public debate for more than 200 years,” the Tribune claims.
There is absolutely no evidence this is what the founders intended and the editors of the Chicago Tribune would be hard-pressed to find a single word in the writings of the founders indicating they believed only militias had the right to bear arms. In fact, the gun-grabbers completely misunderstand the very meaning of the word as the framers used it — for the founders, a militia was not like the National Guard, but rather a body of armed citizens. The militia clause and the right to arms are intended to be complementary. As Thomas Jefferson knew, “modern regular armies” consist of “desperate characters,” thus demonstrating “the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be no pauper hirelings.”
Justice Story, appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811, wrote in 1833:
The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.
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In New Orleans after Katrina, the state went house to house grabbing guns, not because they were concerned about Old West shoot-outs in the street but because they did not want citizens challenging the “arbitrary power of rulers.” As Alexander Hamilton noted, in times of chaos and the breakdown of civility — as in the case of Katrina — the “citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource,” that is without the intervention of the state, because the “people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.”
As the founders knew, and the Chicago Tribune is unable or unwilling to admit, the “militia,” that is to say an armed citizenry, is the ultimate check against a state or the national government. In fact, as Jefferson stated, it is the “right and duty” of citizens “to be at all times armed” as a deterrent to tyranny. However, since Jefferson’s time, the very concept of such a duty has all but disappeared and has been replaced by a mass psychosis in dreadful fear of the very existence of weapons. Millions of Americans expect the government to protect them, a mindset diametrically opposed to the thinking of Jefferson and the founders who knew all too well that government will become murderously tyrannical if not checked.
It should come as no surprise the corporate media is engaged in a propaganda campaign to convince you that the Second Amendment should be repealed. After all, we no longer have small, independent newspapers published by people who understand the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but rather huge corporate combines owned by the very same globalist interests that have hijacked the government. It will be impossible for them to impose their transnational corporate plan — in other words, fascist plan, as Mussolini understood that corporatism and fascism are inseparable — on the whole of humanity so long as an appreciable minority remain armed. That’s what the corporate media jihad against the Constitution is all about — convincing you that “gun crime” is out of control, people who own guns are redneck nut cases, guns are for hunting only, the Second Amendment is a myth (or at best an editorial mistake), and it is in our best interest to relinquish responsibility for our own protection, our duty, and embrace government.
Finally, keep in mind the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was a big advocate of gun control. In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953 about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000. “There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people were not ‘brainwashed’ about gun ownership and had been well armed,” writes Theodore Haas, a survivor of Dachau. “Hitler’s thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun.”
Our thugs are not very brave, either. But they don’t need to be when confronted with a brainwashed and increasingly disarmed public.
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June 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
There should be absolutely no gun regulations at all pertaining to ownership. The government shouldn’t even have the right to know you have it. The only regulations I could understand are ones that pertain to the safety and reliability of it’s construction. They should make sure that guns being built hit there targets reliably and in a safe manner for the shooter that’s it. Quality Control not restrictions.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Step right up…
Come and trespass, and fight out MY TRUE INTERPRETATION of WTF the 2nd amendment means….
June 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Hey Chicago!
The Disciples (Black Gangster Disciples, Maniac Latin Disciples, Imperial Gangster’s Nation, etc…) the Vice Lords, and the Latin Kings… not to mention M.S. 13, Crips, Bloods, 18th Street, Duces, La Eme, La Nuestra Familia, The Wah Ching, the Wo Shing Wo, the 14K, the Ghost Shadows, the Yamaguchi Gum, Sumiyoshi Kai, the Vor v Zokonye, and the Organizatsya have NEVER bought their guns from their local gun shops.
EVER…
So before you run your big friggin mouths again about the 2nd amendment. (Note again, the above…), remember this, the next time you hear about gang killings, drive-bys, and home invasion robberies. None of the weapons used in those above mentioned crimes… were purchased legally in a gun store.
But I have personally know people who’s lives were saved by legitimately owned firearms.
Even if you take every gun in the country off the streets, including the cops… all that will happen is that people will start stabbing each other. Go to England, if you don’t believe me. Read the news… Stabbings and knife crimes are JUST AS PREVALENT as gun crimes in the U.S.
So unless you are going to ban poverty, pain, and squalor… then you’ll never lower crime rates anywhere… not in numbers high enough to mention.
Sorry, but those silly 4 – 9% increases and decreases in crime that appear in the news have nothing to do with how many guns are on the street, nor policy. It just has to do with where we are in our society’s natural cycle of violence.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I believe we should give up all of our arms whatever type they might be. The government says it is for our protection. Why question it? Hm, I wonder what happens when our “protectors” say or think that we are not following their orders that are suppose to be followed for everyone’s protection. Hm. Let me think for a moment…….*tick, tick, tick*…Got it. We are removed to a special enforced surrounding and made to do many unholy things. Are we then slaves because we were “disobient” and have no recourse? Ah yes, that is it. Therefore I ask who really is our common enemy? Why be watched in every move we make unless the watcher wants to find anything that can be said that we need to be put into a re-educational institution for or maybe even killed by whatever means seems least likely to be called being murdered outright.?
Divide and conquer. Easy enough to do when the conquered-to-be refuse to see who the real common enemy is. Therefore I must admit that we have a problem/situation (Houston).
Rhonda
June 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Why would the government need to be reminded to not disarm ITSELF anyways?
June 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito should be exalted and praised for protecting our common sense rights as outlined in the constitution. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
A well regulated militia defined: Is not only enrolled military servicemen, but a citizenry who regard themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
All those in protest to gun violence can hire more police to stop crime or simply move to another country where their ideas can continue to encourage the new world order dictatorship.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9BF9KfaN1IM
June 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Nimmo says: “…about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.”
Gun ownership in the USA has traditionally been high, so has Pittsburg has gone from a population of around one million to about three hundred thousand, accordind to The News Hour with Jim Lehrer June 2008.
Abortion has done that.
So taking Nimmo’s statistic as read, and checking the enormous kerfuffle that happens when a gun owner decides to set things to rights…
Like David Koresh did in the first instance when ATF agents came in shooting… the FBI turned up with tanks and left eighty eight mostly women and children dead, DK held ‘em off for a while tho, and he killed four himself that day.
Then in Florida one true American gun owner, a white boy a Methodist, blew a guard and a doctor away at an abortion clinic… he went to glorious death, if’n you want to put it that way, at the hands of the official executioner in Florida.
Now in the Pittsburg case it is not only Pittsburg that has been attacked it is right across America and y’all gun owners do not seem to have done much about it, Alex is not helpin’ waving a six shooter around on his latest avatar on PP Forum.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
there is no issue to debate. ‘A well-regulated militia, being nessesary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The new-speakers try to change the definition of militia, to mean a regular army or police. A militia is defined as all able bodied men age 18 and above. Then the new-speakers try to twist the phrase ‘well-regulated’ as meaning regulated by the government. Well regulated means, that the militia isn’t out robbing, raping, looting, or linching. It doesn’t say anything about it being regulated by the government. The statement, ‘the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed’, is crystal clear. The statement before that is an attempt to explain the reason for the amendment. To waste to much time debating with these people is non-productive, and only lends false credibility to their arguement. Bottom line, when there is a dispute with the government, the first amendment is there to give us the right to negotiate. When tyrants are unreasonable, and infringe on the rights of the people, the second amendment is there to enable us to overthrow tyrants and enemies of the constitution who deceptivly come in to power. Without the right to bear arms, we have no protection for our other rights. Our founding fathers were wise, and knew the fact that you cannot reason with a tyrant, becouse the only language they understand is force.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
By the way, think about how much more respectful police are toward an armed citizen, than an unarmed one
June 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
The phrase that froze my blood was “inartful wording of the Constitution”. It implies the Chicago Tribune would like to re-write the Constitution to fit their idea of the law. Just who would re-write it? The editorial staff?
Jesus wept.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Yeah and untaxed tea and stamps would get you in a British stockade. They need more people to break laws so they can suck the blood out of more people, per capita. More laws, means more revenue. I say good luck, enforcing it, just like everything else. No compromise, means no discussion. No discussion means less responsive governance and less representation for the majority. Less representation for the majority, means more authoritarianism. More authoritarianism means more domineering social policies, at the behest of a hierarchic government. A hierarchic government means it’s time to take the gloves off, and show these assholes who the backbone of this country is. I can tell you it isn’t some Silver spoon with a higher calling to do great things. Those egos at the top need to be deflated. Period.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
…and Article VI, Clause 2, ‘The Supremacy Clause’ states:
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
…and, don’t forget:
“All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void” (Marbury vs. Madison. 5 US (2 Cranch) 137,174,176, (1803)
“Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.” (Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p.491.)
“An Unconstitutional Act is not law; it confers no rights: it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” (Norton vs. Shelby County 118 US 425 p.442)
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Any schoolchild with a basic understanding of grammar can parse the commas in the 2nd Amendment. Blinded are those who, by fear, or out of ego, attempt to twist it’s meaning, and rightfully opressive shall their punishment ever be, for:
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ” — Benjamin Franklin
June 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
The term gun grabber is poor choice describing a gun control fanatic. When I think of gun grabber, I think of a hick that stockpiles dozens of AK-47s. The federal government should have zero laws for guns. If local communities have regulations, well that’s local, and that’s what libertarianism is all about.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
@ Watchman:
As you know, you are absolutely correct.
No citizen is required to register or notify any individual of his ownership or intent or desire to own a weapon of any kind. This includes all amrs, large and small, automatic, semiautomatic, concealed, scoped, and silenced. In fact, those things become increasingly neccessary as technological tyrants develop ever more deadly means.
Felons are inalieanably protected in their right to keep AND BEAR arms.
Children are not excluded anywhere in these affirmations of inalienable rights.
Police have no right to disarm you, or mistreat your because of your exercise of your right.
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“The claim and exercise of a constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime.” Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. 486, 489.
“There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights.” Snerer vs. Cullen, 481 F. 946.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
@ Liz:
Sorry, but, no. _NO_ law or regulation may exist which would abrogate the right to keep and bear arms. Not even “locally”.
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As Oklahoma has recently re-affirmed:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
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The 2nd Amendment clearly prohibits such a power to the states:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
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Abridgment is Infringement. At best, such a law would be null and void; inoperative. At worst, it (would be) tyranical and despotic abuse of power.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Come and take them you cowards! There are at least 60,000,000 people ready to fight. They will never win. God Bless the Republic, Death to the New World Order, We Shall Prevail!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@ Mike Florey
Yes, “inartful” was particularly artfully placed. It exposes the insincerity of the message, as it is a direct attempt to hijack (and twist) our own argument to decieve us.
On the contrary, the wording is quite “artful” Research how that phrase came to be, and you will find that the “A well reulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”, was inserted in order to appease those in the legislation who feared an armed public!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
@ KevlarButta:
Rights are Threats.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Justice Story”…it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers.”
BS.
911 was an inside job… the arbitrary powers that rule the USA have made war against Afghanistan even so, just as they have usurped the function of the news gathering and dissemination process, and dumbed down America.
Leonore Rootes is a known spammer, her input and the combined gun lobby don’t seem to have checked the immorality one bit.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
The media along with the majority of government knows that militia has never meant and never will mean a national guard. The people at the chicago tribune need to seriously check into getting a webster’s dictionary. It is times like these when free men and women must heed the words of the founders and arm themselves before it is too late. The constitution is very clear in it’s wording regardless of what any fool within the government or media states to the contrary. To quote Benjamin Franklin: “those who give up liberty for security will receive neither and gain none”
June 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Those people in Chicago should get guns. f---ing Mountain Lions running around. Some kid will get mauled as people watch from their apartments waiting for animal control and cops to save the day. They’ll blame the Mountain Lions, because little billy was eaten. Could you imagine a hundred years ago, grown men and women allowing a beast to eat our young in broad daylight? The problem isn’t the government, it’s people with their own head so far up their ass, they walk by rapes, drive around hit and runs, turn the other way in any given situation. If we won’t defend each other somebody has to? Blame cowards and people ” Who just didn’t want to get involved”. Callous societies bear callous justice.
June 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Its our last best hope and they know it, we must be able to keep our arms!
June 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Have you any knowledge of how corrupt the politicians and police force are in Chicago? Chicago is an example of how well communism works! Jim Ryan in jail for numerous reasons, the governor’s a member of The Serria Club. Chicago sucks!
June 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
do not give up your guns whatever happens you will be led to the slaughter if you do.
send some lead flying there way if they try to come and take them
June 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
They can have my guns, but they cant have my Jesus!!!
Im glad Jesus is coming back in my lifetime!!!
Hooraay for Jesus!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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June 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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June 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
IF the 2nd Amendment only delegated power to “free States” to regulate their militias, then the Federal Government being addressed by “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” should have nothing to say on the matter making ALL Federal gun laws null and void, except when the “organized miltia” was called “forth into service of the United States.”
“Free States” are then FREE to define all their citizens as “militia”–which is prefectly congruent with the grammatical construction and historical understanding of the 2nd Amendment or simply declare the right of the people to keep and bear arms as does our Tennessee State Constittuion (Article I, Section 26)
(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans
possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments
are afraid to trust the people with arms.” –James Madison.
“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we
shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power
to disarm the militia.–Tench Coxe (1788)
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them.” -George Mason,
The 2nd Amendment sentence begins with an explanatory sub-ordinate clause (English grammar) followed by the independent of main clause, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. If the subordinate clause contradicts and negates the clear statement of the right of the people in the main or independent clause, the amendment sentence is totally oxymoronic and self-contradictory. But such is not the case when it is understood in the context of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights which calls these 10 amendments “restrictive and declarative clauses” , restrictive of the Federal Government and declarative of the rights of the people.
So IF the anti-gunners want to hold to their “militia” argument, let them also argue that all federal gun laws are now null and void…excepting those applying only to “such part of them which may be empolyed in the service of the United States” (Article I, Section 7.15-16)
June 29th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
#11 – the one that would like to rewrite the Constitution is Mayor Daley.
I recently read that his brother Bill Daley is contemplating a 2010 run for Il. governor. Wouldn’t THAT be nice! The Daley brothers could then screw us into oblivion from both ends.
I did get a fair amount of satisfaction in Daley’s reaction to the Supremes decision. He was foaming at the mouth, he was so upset. It was priceless!
June 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Who started that stupid debate anyway? Even a grade school drop out knew what the outcome of that idiotic waste of time that was. I’m surprised there ain’t more s--- about it going on. Give it time I guess, they’ll find a “I told ya so”.
June 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Militia, you can forget that. Thats part of the National Guard and now thats part of the our standing army. SOO they can just turn around and shoot us. So we need a new Militia to protect us against overseas and domestic take over…The guardsmen shall just blow us away. Case in point look at Katrina/N.Oleans. Damit man, wake up. I did talk to some guardsmen, and I asked: will you protect us from forien and domestic take over…They said “YES” and they meant it..However folks you can’t think your going to get help. Your going to have to protect yourselfs…so GET your guns now and buy pvc pipes and bury them in the dirt..and remember where you put it…LOL….
night
June 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I was born in Illinois & had my childhood ruined by the Child Protective Agencyby being shuffled in & out of foster homes. Illinois government officials have been destroying that state for decades. I now live in Texas, mainly because of there being no jobs due to the state putting tax regulations on the factories & the big companies, chasing them out of the country. The truth is I blame those who believe that Sports Idols, Hollywood Stars etc… is more important than paying attention to what their elected officials are doing with their laws & freedoms.
The people in Illinois have been mentally beaten into submission by the mainstream media making those who stand up for their Constitutional Rights look like retards or troublemakers. Those who are slaves to the whims of the corrupt government in Illinois are responsible for their own situation!!!!
Until people through out this Country rise up & start fighting back, using EVERY MEANS possible, ( including ) violence, there will be nothing that our corrupt government will do to make this Country another Communist Country. We have a man who was raised Muslim, is a member of a anti-white,racially motivated organization, never spent anytime in the the Military, running for President. What’s wrong with that picture???
I would like to inform those of you who are planning to vote, that you don’t have to vote for either one of the ” nominated people “. I personally am going to do a write in vote for Ron Paul, not because I agree 100% with what he has said, but because I know that Obama & McCain will do exactly what every past Democrat & Republican that has been elected into office has done for decades, LIE THEIR ASSES OFF!!!! I want to encourage everyone to do the same, to do a write in vote for Ron Paul, because HE is the only HOPE for this Country to continue a FREE Country.
The fact that Illinois officials want to delete the the second Amendment should how how pompous that they have become. NO ONE has the POWER or RIGHT to Ignore, Change or Delete any part of the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, P E R I O D!!!!! If there is someone who doesn’t want to believe or follow these regulations, they need to be expelled from this Country!!!!
The time has come to find out who the traitors are & those who are TRUE AMERICANS. I encourage everyone to rise up & do what ever it takes to put a stop to the destruction of our FREEDOMS. What would happen if one million or two million stormed the office’s & confronted those who believe that they have the right to treat us as peasants. Those who want to TAX this Country into the brink of a Depression. LET’S GET OFF OUR ASSES & GET’R DONE!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Are u Fed Up?
You could also look at this way. The Fed in its quest for power has made everything less expensive.
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June 29th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
this may sound a daft question, but was there any form of dictionary in public use at the time the second was drawn up ?, maybe do a search of that year for dictionaries, then look up that word, and its context from that time period, id do it myself but im not in the US, and dont fully understand your legal system, but if it were over here, thats where i would start, looking for the context of that day or time period, just a suggestion.
June 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Dont trust your guns, trust Jesus Christ, time as we know is about to end, let the NWO come into power, for they shall be destroy by Christ Jesus once and never rise again…..
Im glad Jesus is coming in my lifetime, are u glad too???
Hooraay for Christ Jesus!!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Save me Jebus!
June 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Hey PCMiler 2000…
You may want to read this…Matthew 24:36
June 29th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Hey Johnny, are u saying that Miller is wrong. I just read that area of the Bible. And yes know one no’s when the father is coming. However Miller has the right to believe that it shall be in in life time. Or I should say he is hoping it shall be cause he wants to be in Heaven with the Lord.
night.
June 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Did i read that right Pc miller. What the hell are you thinking let the NWO come to there power. God wants us to fight the wicked. And in regards to the tribune I called and spoke with a few different people asking why has Oklahoma Sovereignty been in headline news with of course a I dont know response. I soon inform them why Journalist exist to expose the government and they need to do there job. They did not like that too much
June 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Right on hawklonewolf; I agree totally. I plan on writing in Ron Paul’s name because I don’t trust the other two that are running for the most important position in our government. Congress hasn’t done anything for us either, so I am going to vote for anyone that is NOT in there already. Get rid of them; they are there just for their own interests. I don’t believe they should be allowed to make a career out of it either. If there is a good one, (none in my state), in there, then they should be voted in again. I do realize there are a few that is trying to do some good from other states.
June 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Don’t be a nitwit PCmiller, how long have you been studying the scriptures? or do you have a FEMA pastor lying at you?Don’t you know that it is our mandate to protect ourselves, our family and the faith? haven’t you read Genesis? where we are instructed to subdue and have dominion over the wicked ones? haven’t you read Jeremiah 50-51 where we are instructed to be His battle axe and weapons of war in these days?, or Joel 3:10 where the time of peace has ended and we are instructed to turn our plowshares into swords and pruning hooks into spears? or psalms 144 where we are to pray that he train our hands to war and fingers battle? Or most importantly, where in Luke 22:35-36…He says, ” He that does not HAVE a SWORD, let him SELL his garment and buy one, shortly before He instructed Peter/Kepha to put his sword away, ‘at that time because it was Messsiahs destiny to sacrifice Himself for us,” then He tells Kepha/peter that he only needs one sword, so obviously, Kepha/peter was well armed as were the rest of our Saviors entourage.
We are not to be sheep for the wicked ones slaughter, if you study the ENTIRE scriptures, you will see there are different times, a time for peace and a time for war, a time to replenish and a time not to procreate, and this is the time for war, because they are forcing the situation as scriptures teach us!
Don’t read pieces parts, read the whole book and understand/rightly divide the word in its totality, we are blessed to Shama…to hear intelligently and to restore His perfect language, Zephaniah 3:9.
Just as Shem, Son of Noach killed nimrod, the one who hunted man in the face of the Most High, who was a great grandson, and the Israelites who left Egypt killed the rebellious tards who worshipped a golden calf and later the blasphemous heathens of Jericho who were worshipping ba’al, so are we to fight the enemy, the old and new testament are the two witnesses, they work together, not separate, there is no such critter as rapture In the context you have been decided to believe, that is a communist construct/translation implemented to create sheep who will acquiesce in the face of evil so that evil will prevail…you, PCMiler are falling into that trap, you are to take care of your people and provide for them, this includes defense logically, if you fail in the covenant, you are worse than the unbeliever.
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June 29th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
POSTED ON ANOTHER 2ND AMENDMENT ARTICLE
It’s about control.
This government was designed to reflect the best the mankind could offer in the way of government, and as students of history our founding fathers found their inspiration in ancient Rome and decided that a government to be ruled for the people, by the people, was best a, Republic.
Not a Democracy mind you, which our founding fathers feared, as mob rule, an anecdote they used when describing a democracy, was that it was two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner. They had no interest in trading one tyrant two thousand miles away for two thousand tyrants one mile away, no, In a Republic there are certain Rights which are given ,or endowed, by your creator, and these fundamental rights could not be take away from you, not by vote nor tyranny. To this effect our founders struggled to come up with a system which would prevent our newly created Republic from doing what all bureaucracies naturally tend to do, grow. Grow to the point of no longer serving the interests of the People, but rather only serving the interests of itself, tyranny, which is exactly what befell their model, Rome, and what happened to Rome?
So there lies the problem, one of many they faced. How do they maintain a Republic for the people, by the people without letting it slip into tyranny, into an Empire? How do they keep the control in the hands of the people?
Our founders were truly great men, for they knew what all great men should know, that they do not know everything. So their answer came in a contract, the Constitution, in my humble opinion, the single most amazing advancement the world had known.
Within lay the malleable framework of our Republic, meant to last into the ages because it was designed to bend and flex where needed so it could never be obsolete and the spine of the design, the answer to maintaining a Republic in the hands of the people, was the Bill of Rights. When viewed in this context, it’s easy to see what theses Amendments were designed to do, keep the People free. Just as Rome became an Empire, our founders knew that the same fate could and would befall all government, so they imbedded within our Constitution, certain clauses, along with our Bill of Rights, to prevent this and if needed combat this natural trend. They made sure the power would be with The People.
As Citizens of this united Republic, the responsibility is ours to enact, invoke and utilize these Rights and clauses whenever the size and scope of our beloved Republic grows beyond the boundary of its original purpose. Sadly to this effect We the People, have failed. Why and how is a topic for a whole other discussion, but the effect is that we as a People are less free, we have less rights. Our Rights are trampled on a daily basis and our Constitution is not enforced. One only needs to look at how this country goes to war to see how badly eroded our freedoms are. We our bound by the Constitution to put congress to vote for a declaration of war, prior to going to war, this ensures Us the freedom of choice, to choose the fate of our Republic, and ourselves, but when was this done last? I don’t blame this Administration, because this one is only doing what was allowed to be done by the previous one, and next will do the same to be sure, because once obtained, bureaucracies never willingly relinquish power.
If you want to see who is to blame for this you only need to look in the mirror. It is Our fault. Whether, by fear mongering, manipulation, or ignorance, We, neglected our responsibilities, We, let our grasp slacken and now the beast of Our creation is loose, trampling its creator. We have only ourselves to blame, and likewise we have only ourselves to reclaim Our power, Our control.
Now, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, it was designed with the same intent as the other nine.
This Amendment refers to the “people”, which in every other Constitutional interpretation of every other instance “the people” refers to the collective right of the people. The “militia”, when defining it in the way our founders saw it, was not the National Guard, it was informal, where service was voluntary and whose purpose was to fight a defensive war against aggressors. A modern-day equivalent that comes to mind might be the French resistance fighters during WWII, who fought the Nazis and the puppet French government.
So in the founders view, the 2nd Amendment was, to paraphrase:
Because the ability to have at any time an effective resistance force is essential in ensuring and maintaining a Free State, the right of the people to have weapons should never be violated by the government.
It has nothing to do with hunting. It has nothing to do with protecting your home from robbers or drug addicts. It has everything to do with bestowing the responsibility of ensuring and maintaining a Free State squarely on the shoulders of The People, it’s meant to serve. We are essentially the guardians of Our Republic. When viewed with this in mind gun legislation, becomes absurd, and as some suspect sinister. Absurd, because gun legislation will only ever keep guns out of the hands of people who already obey the law. While the ones who don’t will always have access to guns. Absurd because gun legislation will turn law obeying citizens interested in self preservation, a fundamental human trait, into criminals. Absurd, because gun legislation makes us more susceptible to violent crime. Absurd, because gun legislation, will never remove the guns from the bodyguards of the rich and powerful who push for gun control.
Sinister, because gun legislation turns citizens into serfs. Sinister, because gun legislation has always been the first steps taken by every Dictatorship and tyrannical government, essentially it removes the ability of the People, to perform the very task they were entrusted with by the founders, the preservation of the Republic.
In the end We are responsible for ourselves out actions and our inactions. The right and ability to maintain a free Republic is the responsibility of every citizen, and it requires that we are knowledgeable, willing and able to fulfill our duties. Loosing any one of these reduces us to salves and serfs, and little by little our Rights and the ability to enforce them are taken away, until we, like Rome turn into an Empire ruled by the elites, only to fall as all Empires do, because they rule without the consent of the governed.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I say anyone up at the good Ole Chicago Tribune, and anyone who is anti-gun, to have the testicular fortitude to stick to their belief and stop being a hypocrite. I suppose the instinct of self preservation is too strong, but for those of you who truly believe in the anti gun agenda, I invite you to walk the walk, stop benefiting from your “Free Rider” status of the 2nd Amendment, you know, taking without putting anything back into the system, cause though you may not believe that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, you directly benefit from those of us who do. Let’s clear up the confusion for the criminals and the drug addicts, let them know which one is an easy target, and put a big sign on your home that says “THIS IS A GUN FREE HOUSE”. I wonder if any of you would do that, and if not then you should seriously re-think your anti-gun position.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Good job Mike, I will do same, we don’t need undereducated, illiterate journalists dictating laws to or for us.
It is a self evident truth that you do nt infringe on the military or a state and the founders, being masters of the English language, did not write a provision so that the military could be armed, all militaries are armed. they also ignore the second clause of the Second Amendment and the vast writings of the Federalist papers were they repeat that we have an inalienable right, militaries and states do not have inalienable rights and we are to be armed always at all times!
PCMiller is badly misguided, but if he studies the material I provided, he and those like him can wake up, but I fear they suffer from cognitive dissonance. They have also been lied to for so long that YahShua came here to supplant the Old Testament when in reality, as He said, He came here not to change the law, not a jot or title, but the traditional law, that poisonous talmudic law, the Talmud, the oral law that inspired magog bush’s noahide law they are soon to subject us to.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
My understanding is that there has been a gun ban in Chicago for 25 years and gun crimes are worse now so where is their logic? Criminals have them so there is no point in restricting guns to those who are not.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Awesome as always, Kurt! What it all comes down to is your definition of “militia” which really means the entire American population. I don’t know why people can’t see that. Oh well, let them be robbed at gunpoint in their homes. We won’t.
I’d invite anyone that’s reading this to check out my blog on this ruling. I echo Alex’s sentiments pretty much exactly. Any myspace member can comment on it too, whether you agree or disagree.
-Chad
June 29th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
enoch7: excellent point.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
YOU LOSERS DON’T DESERVE GUNS. YOU LACK AN EDUCATION FOR ONE, ANY SENSE OF CIVICS, YOU’RE DRUGGED OUT OF YOUR MCDONALDED BUTT, SO….WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH A GUN, AMERICANS DON’T NEED GUNS, THEY NEED MORE LAWS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT MORE GUNS
June 29th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
“AMERICA WILL BE THE EASIEST OF ALL NATIONS TO CONQUER. DIVIDED AGAINST HERSELF, THE UNITED STATES WILL OFFER LITTLE OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEOLOGY WHEN THE HOUR TO STRIKE HAS COME.”
DR. JOSEPH GOEBBELS
REICHMINISTER OF PROPAGANDA
Are you Yanks going to prove him wrong? Or are yer going to stand up and fight?
June 29th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
http://www.thereignofchrist.org
Freemasonry and Zionism have united to form the ‘beast coming up
out of the sea,’ as is written: “And I saw a beast coming up out the
sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns, ten
diadems, and upon his heads, names of blasphemy. And the beast
which I saw was like to a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a
bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave
him his own strength and great power. And I saw one of his heads
as it were slain to death, and his death’s wound was healed, and all
the earth was in admiration after the beast, and they adored the
dragon which gave power to the beast, and they adored the beast,
saying:
‘Who is like to the beast, and who shall be able to fight with
him?’ And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things
and blasphemies, and power was given to him to do, two and forty
months. And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God,
to blaspheme His Name, and His Tabernacle, and them that dwell
in Heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints
and to overcome them.
And power was given him over every tribe,
and people, and tongue, and nation. And all that dwell upon the
earth adored him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life
of the Lamb, Which was slain from the beginning of the world. If
any man have an ear, let him hear. He that shall lead into captivity
shall go into captivity, he that shall kill by the sword must be killed
by the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
June 29th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
http://www.thereignofchrist.org
The great harlot
The great harlot is the union of Zionism and Freemasonry. Their
objective as stated above is to have total dominion over the entire
earth through monetary and government control. The great harlot
descends the entire populace of the world into abject slavery. This
process is already in place, and is escalating to its diabolical
conclusion. It is through unfair and excessive taxation, and the
power of arrogance that they have established their tyranny,
knowing what is written: “all things obey money.”25
The end of the harlot is written: “There came one of the seven
angels who had the seven vials and spoke with me, saying: “Come,
I will show you the condemnation of the great harlot, who sits upon
many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed
fornication, and they who inhabit the earth have been made drunk
with the wine of her whoredom.” And he took me away in spirit
into the desert, and I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured
beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten
horns, and the woman was clothed round about with purple and
scarlet, and gilt with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a
golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her
fornication, and on her forehead a name was written: ‘A mystery:
Babylon the great, them other of the fornications and the
abominations of the earth.’”26
The ‘mystery’ cannot be understood unless you accept the tyranny
of Zionism and Freemasonry.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
If Obama gets elected, the whole country will resemble the People’s Republic of Chicago.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
I recommend that you purchase a couple thousand rounds of ammo and store it in a safe place! That’s the real goal for the anti-gun lobby, in the days to come! They will make it tougher to aquire and the price will continue to go through the roof! Get it while you can and keep that weapon clean friends! Liberty Or Death! Don’t Tread On Me! 1776 Until Infinity!
June 29th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
http://www.thereignofchrist.org
To God’s Commandments:
1. You shall not have any other God but Me.
2. You shall not take the Name of God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath Days.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not commit adultery.
6. You shall not kill.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness.
9 & 10. You shall not covet the goods and wife of another.
Antichrist opposes with:
1. False idols.
2. Blasphemes Almighty God.
3. Sunday is just another day.
4. Cohabitation, loose living and homosexuality.
5. Justifies impurity, and acts against nature.
6. Contraception, abortion, euthanasia.
7. Theft, violence, kidnaping.
8. Deceit, lying, duplicity.
9 & 10. It works to corrupt the depths of conscience, betraying
man’s mind and heart.
Antichrist counters the Seven Cardinal Virtues with his seven
deadly sins, compared as follows:
Cardinal Virtues Deadly sins
Faith. Pride.
Hope. Lust.
Charity. Greed.
Prudence. Anger.
The Conspiracy of the 6-6-6
Fortitude. Sloth.
Justice. Envy.
Temperance. Gluttony, including hedonism, materialism,
godless pleasure, etc.
“And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet
received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings, one hour after
the beast. These have one design, and their strength and power they
shall deliver to the beast. These shall fight with the Lamb, and the
Lamb shall overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King
of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and elect, and
faithful.” And he said to me: ‘The waters which you saw, where the
harlot sits, are peoples and nations and tongues. And the ten horns
which you saw in the beast, these shall hate the harlot and shall
make her desolate and naked and shall eat her flesh and shall burn
her with fire, for God has given into their hearts to do that which
pleases Him, that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the
words of God be fulfilled. And the woman which you saw is the
great city which has kingdom over the kings of the earth.”
June 29th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Geronimo
On the other hand, Admiral Yamamoto said “To invade the United States mainland would be a disaster, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass”.
I tend to think we would prove Hirohito right rather than prove Geobbels wrong.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
jasmine….. I guess you have nothing better to do with yourself than insult others, a lot of good your education has done you.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
the national guard cannot be considered a militia. they take orders from the federal and state governments. a true militia is a group of armed citizens who take orders from nobody and use force, when necessary, against the government
June 29th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
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June 29th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Jasmine’s comments remind me of these from some others:
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms.” – Adolf Hitler
“The Communist Party must control the guns.”–Mao Tse-tung
“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the [Nazi] SS or SA–ordinary
citizens don’t need guns, as their having them doesn’t serve the state.”
–Heinrich Himmler, one of Hitler’s henchmen
“A system of licensing and registration, is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.” Vladamir Ilyich Lenin
June 29th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
#61-Ron, Good points!
Listen also to: http://www.theamericanvoice.com
HOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Ok to you gun unfriendly people the question of the second amendment is this. Who has the power when the guns are all in the hands of the government? The 2nd amendment was created because our forefathers were going into a revolution and saw the obvious nessecity for the american public to keep and bear arms. It is our defense against a tyrannical government, sadly some idiots don’t know the great responsibility one has when owning a firearm and things do happen. But if one gives up a big bargaining chip what’s to stop the other party from taking full advantage? The issue of militias must be fought tooth and nail. It is a dirrected at the american public obviously. If we can’t organize into armed groups we can be easily subdued if we are unorganized.
June 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Ron W ……….. well said!
June 29th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Jasmine, Do us all a favor and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. In your statement you made it obvious who the uneducated one is. “More laws”!!!! What are you an idiot? I give em 1 warning when they come for my guns and then they get the 2 barrels of shotgun they deserve, for starters. Jasmine, just stay over there at Huffington and keep your stupid mouth shut and we’ll stay over here with our guns and we will see who wins.
June 29th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
…Then I take back what I said about “regulated militias” the other day because clearly the quote by Madison does detail his interpretation of the amendment, he, as a framer.
At this point, however, what can be done?
June 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
WnstnSmth, I am in your camp.
I wonder how much more historical evidence of tyranny is needed to convince these dips---s that totalitarianism in any form is aided by disarming the citizenry. Hitler,
Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, BushCo…
Arise citizens before it is too late.
June 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Learn the history of the Chicago Tribune.
The caption at the top of this page says it all.
June 29th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
The Constitution’s function is not to grant citizens rights; it is to grant the federal govt rights. The federal govt can’t do anything that the Constitution doesn’t say it can do. That being said, the Constitution explicitly forbids any govt – fed, state, or local – from infringing on a person’s right to bear arms. Anybody who thinks the 2nd Amend. somehow restricts a citizen’s right to bear arms doesn’t “get” the Constitution.
June 29th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Jasmine you idiot!!…..If we don’t need guns to protect ourselves from the government,than we definitely need guns to protect ourselves from the criminals who get them illegally.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Well said Simon deMonfort.
We’re all born with God-given inalienable rights, Constitution is just reiterating them. The important point that some have alluded to is that it falls on the gov’t to abide by the Constitution in order to protect our intrinsic, God-given inalienable rights, and not the other way around as the establishment are so desperately trying to do with their doublespeak and sleight of hand.
They know they are guilty, and will do anything to disarm the ignorant sheeple so that they could go about raping our beautiful country. The more they expose their dissatisfaction with the Constitution, the more obvious it is that they are part of the disease, and the Second Amendment the cure.
We know who you are. If you live in fear, then stop raping US, otherwise leave this country and join Cheney in Dubai.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Well written Kurt, I enjoyed you citations.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Yeah, The day they get my GUNS is the day they pry them out of my COLD DEAD HANDS. I will never submit to some jack-booted thug kicking in my door trying to take my guns. They will have to answer to a 12 guage slug. NRA FOREVER. OUT!!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:05 am
#31 9mm – you got it right. Old Dickie Boy Daley, worhtless crooked mayor of Chicago, is going
bananas. He can’t stand to see the citizens with the ability to defend themselves. He doesn’t think anybody besides his gestapo Chicago Police Department should be armed. As a matter of
fact, he wants to arm them with M4 Carbines. They don’t kill enough innocent civilians with their
pistols!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:58 am
LOL…yeh yeh yeh…If they want to take the guns…then let them…I’ll just hide mine. Or tell them I sold them…then after they go away…I’ll be the only one running around with my guns…That would be a pity if all the ex-vets would all of a sudden show up after the confiscation and “liberate” the guns in the nearest PD or raise some kind of resistance….Like Iraq. We learned alot of stuff in Iraq…like make IED’s and use cell phones to set them off, and set up booby traps, and raids, and frontal assaults, and ambushes, and all that good stuff. Too bad the cops wouldn’t know what to do with stuff like that. They would have to bring in the real army guys, but after they see what is going on with the 2nd amendment. And most military guys love the 2nd amendment, it wouldn’t be a pleasent surprise if there would be a military coup and throw those bastards out of capital hill….Happened before…look at the Czar and the Russian army. But anyway, that is a risk those 1 Amendment right lovers are going to take. After all, they have the right to speak BECAUSE of the 2nd amendment. If the gov’t was pointing a gun at them and told them to say something bad about the gov’t…I wouldn’t think they would have the balls to criticize. Most pencil pushers are a bunch of pussies anyway. All the good ones are the ones speaking out now. You all better listen up, or your going to get what you deserve for your apathy. And I’m starting to get bored….in fact a bunch of us would like you guys to lose your guns. It’ll be easier to shut you up after take your stuff…and we’re looking at the gun grabbers first…
June 30th, 2008 at 1:07 am
We were all taught what the 2nd amendment means as children in grade school 2 to 3 decades ago. And it means the right to bear arms. Only since then, have a few gun grabbing politicians tried to re-interpret what we’ve known all along. Our parents and grandparents and even great grandparents unanimously knew these things.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:08 am
We were all taught what the 2nd amendment means as children in grade school 2 to 3 decades ago. And it means the right to bear arms. Only since then, have a few gun grabbing politicians tried to re-interpret what we’ve known all along. Our parents and grandparents and even great grandparents unanimously knew these things.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:45 am
There can be no doubt, the intentions of these men. History is filled with examples of people’s being manipulated by those who seek to enrich only themselves. America was alone in that WE THE PEOPLE had the final say. Forces within our government sought for 300 years to deny us our greatest triumph. They have made much progress towards these ends, but their victory is not yet complete. they have forgotten who they are dealing with. We alone stood against all odds, against the most powerful, murderous forces the world has ever known. No matter the odds, we held the line. Diaries and books are filled with the stories of those who were subject to crimes we can’t imagine. Many of those stories end with tears of joy at the sight of our men coming over the ridge. It is with that knowledge that strangers, prisoners, refugee’s and all forms of those forsaken by the very one’s they believed to be their savior welcomed us as heroes and friends. It was the average citizens of these United States who had the courage to stand against these great threats to people we’ve never met, and it is the average man who must find this same strength in themselves today. It is time to stand once more. For those who were ordered forward into the barrage for the profit of evil men. For those brave souls who fill graveyards around the world. We must free ourselves from the confines. We must take the tools of our destruction from this enemy. We have all the proof any court on Earth would need. We have their own admissions of their betrayal. When will we stand directly in their path. When will we hold the line. Will all those sacrifices ultimately mean nothing because it is difficult, because it is dangerous? If we do not stand as they did, history will not remember us. It will be written out. Not even the story of a nation who was once the light in the dark, will reach our grand children’s ears. Tell your neighbor where to find the proof. Write the links to these websites and hand them out in mailboxes. Take the voice of our people to the streets, LOUDLY. Through these means we are strong. An outright attack on information would force their hand, further waking the public to the menace that would see us in shackles. We are not lost. We have just begun!
June 30th, 2008 at 1:47 am
user: 2nd Amendment – So if a town has a local ordinance against shooting firearms into the air within city limits, than you are against that?
June 30th, 2008 at 1:51 am
I would certainly love to be in an all out gun battle with some of the local police. These guys think they are so damn tough because they were given a badge by a corrupt government. It makes me laugh. I told a police officer I was in the Marine Corps and you should have seen him puff his chest trying to intimidate me. It was comical and I told him so. I told him that he didnt need to get all huffy and he freaked it was so funny and I laughed in his face. His Training officer was standing at my passenger door and his runt kept yippin and I kept laughing so he came over and asked me what I was laughing about and I told him because his partner was acting like a little Bitch! It has been a while since I was in the Marine corps but, I am still young and I can out shoot and out run the majority of the police force I am betting. I just would love to see some of the real veterans taking charge and helping the average citizens fight this Tyranny head on! HOOOOORRRRAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
SEMPER FI!!!! AND FOR ALL THE ARMY AND NAVY AND AIRFORCE OUT THERE I LOVE ALL OF YA!!!! say the word and I am ready!!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 1:59 am
The whole militia part of the amendment is referring to the National Guard, hence the adjective “well regulated.” A bunch of hicks with AKs shooting bowling pins is not well regulated. The Arizona state constitution goes a step further In Article 2 Section 26.
“The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.”
June 30th, 2008 at 2:31 am
Liz: Private security companies are NON-existant in Arizona HMMM????
June 30th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Liz: Soooo what your saying is that the first Americans to fight for their freedom in this country were part of the national guard??? ARE YOU STUPID?? or just a cointelpro agent? The national guard wasn’t even created until 1914, so don’t give me this we all need to be regulated by the federal government.. cause its just not gonna fly. The second amendment was supposed to be for every single person in the United states.
“For the founders, a militia was not like the National Guard, but rather a body of armed citizens. The militia clause and the right to arms are intended to be complementary. As Thomas Jefferson knew, “modern regular armies” consist of “desperate characters,” thus demonstrating “the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be no pauper hirelings.””
Thomas Jefferson understood this. Just because you don’t want people armed and ready to repel the coming police state, well thats your problem. so why don’t you just lay down and die when the men in black masks start coming door to door and imprisoning us all in our very own fema camps.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Guess what? Your dollar is so bad…I donated some money in american dollars friday night it was $104 Aus to $100 – tonight (sunday) I logged on to the calculator and it’s teh opposite. The Australian dollar is more than the greenback!!! This is unheard of. Whenever we travel we always buy some US dollars because of their bargaining power in other countries. we’ve sometimes paid nearly double but usually about one and a half Australian to one US. Think I’m gonna be buying some American products! Very bad news for you guys though.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:51 am
f--- NWO and f--- GUNS/weapons.No guns=lower crimerate.PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.When do you rambo americans understand?
June 30th, 2008 at 4:00 am
WrongNWO I’m not sure where you are getting your information from but I know that when they got rid of guns here crimes went up by 40%. My understanding is that where to have lots of armed civi’s you have very little crime. Here are the stats as quoted by Australian Police Officer Ed Chenel;
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.
June 30th, 2008 at 4:03 am
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
–Col. Jeff Cooper
June 30th, 2008 at 4:34 am
the reason the 2nd ammendment was placed in the constitution was the country had just broken free from the facist monarchy of great brittain where people were tortured and killed for their religious beliefs and any other different opinions that the king had. so to ensure that any government even our own could be overthrown by the people so that tyranny could never rule AMERICA for that to succeed everyone is responsible to own a functional weapon period and everyone in America is responsible to meet and hold anyone who would change the constitution to the full extent of the law and the crime is treason and the p[enalty is just. Remember this country had to fight great brittain TWICE for our freedom 1776 and 1812 their opinions and motives now and then have never changed wake up!!!!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 4:41 am
AUSgirl.How did they get their guns in the first place?Bcoz of the easy market?Think bout it
The number of people killed by firearms in the EU every year is less than the rate for US in a week/month
June 30th, 2008 at 4:52 am
Great, this is coming just in time as Winnebago County, Illinois is trying to pass a conceal and carry law locally in hopes of it passing throughout the state. The “Windy” city proving its name again.
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June 30th, 2008 at 4:54 am
every ruthless dictator in history their first step is to disarm the law abiding citizens. Stalin is greatest mass murderer in history with over 60 million people (disarmed people) about 30 times more than hitler, who also disarmed his 2 to 6 million before rounding up. Pol Pot killed almost double what hitler did with the same disarm plan just with these three you have almost 100 million murdered unarmed people who were killed because they were christians jews non communist or in pots case paranoia. this doesnt even mention bosnias leader or saddam or khadafi where the total would clime to 200 million all these murdered people have one thing in common they had their right to own a gun taken period. you can engage in any fantasy you want to make yourself feel better, but how you feel or think doesnt change the truth. the truth doesnt care what you think or how you think things could be or any of that rediculous stupid rhetoric it simply records what happens. Smart people learn from history victims make excuses and believe pretty packaged theories.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:04 am
every ruthless dictator in history their first step is to disarm the law abiding citizens. Stalin is greatest mass murderer in history with over 60 million people (disarmed people) about 30 times more than hitler, who also disarmed his 2 to 6 million before rounding up. Pol Pot killed almost double what hitler did with the same disarm plan just with these three you have almost 100 million murdered unarmed people who were killed because they were christians jews non communist or in pots case paranoia. this doesnt even mention bosnias leader or saddam or khadafi where the total would clime to 200 million all these murdered people have one thing in common they had their right to own a gun taken period. you can engage in any fantasy you want to make yourself feel better, but how you feel or think doesnt change the truth. the truth doesnt care what you think or how you think things could be or any of that rediculous stupid rhetoric it simply records what happens. Smart people learn from history victims make excuses and believe pretty packaged theories. THE MOST AMAZING THING TO ME IS THAT EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS THOUGHT MIGHT NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION THEY DISCUSSED FROM ALL ANGLES IN THE FEDERALIST PAPERS !!!!!!!!!!!!! TO THE POINT THAT IN THIS CASE IT STATES VERY CLEARLY THAT IT IS EVERY AMERICANS DUTY TO OWN AND MAINTAIN A FIREARM TO USE AGAINST ANY TYRANNY IN THIS COUNTRY AND SAYS CLEARLY THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT EVER SUPPRESSES OUR WILL THAT ITS OUR DUTY TO RIZE UP AND EXPEL THE TYRANNY.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:41 am
The right to bear arms as a militia is based on the principle that a standing army will not be permitted. America is not a constitutional republic, but is now a constitutional democracy which has pretty much abandoned the constitution in favour of the principles of stakeholder theory and practice vis-à-vis social welfare and equality, etc. Even if guns are taken away, weapons are not limited to the guns. Nor are the authorities limited to the gun, which was the most decisive weapon of the era in which the second amendment was crafted. As has been pointed out elsewhere, guns do not account for the majority of deaths and killings in the US.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:44 am
you no its funny when people in countries like germany and brittain or any of its conquered lands like australia (brittain) pretend to know anything about what it was like for regular people to own a gun because its been illegal for over 20 years for a regular citizen to own a gun(unless you are rich) that there isnt even the concept in their minds. they have no idea what this fight could be about because they let themselves be emasculated without a fight. Anyone can easily survey the different counties in each state the facts are so embarrassing to the anti gun lobby that they wont even list overall facts anymore, just little pieces here and there, THE FACTS ARE EASY TO CHECK!!!!! THE STATES WITH THE LEAST GUN CONTROL HAVE THE LEAST CRIME…… THE STATES WITH THE MOST GUN CONTROL HAVE THE MOST CRIME NOT BY JUST A LITTLE EITHER BUT IN SOME CASES ALMOST DOUBLE ON VIOLENT CRIME. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS CHECH THE JUSTICE DEPT. RECORDS FOR THE LAST YEARS ITS THAT SIMPLE
June 30th, 2008 at 5:48 am
2nd Amendment was intended to secure “a free state” – it’s clearly written in it. So now Americans you have the guns – for sefdefence – to secure a free state, even the Supreme xourt affirms that, so why you don’t use them? The Declaration of Independence says it is your right and duty. And I bet the guns are not intended to dwell in the drawer when your freedom is taken away. Otherwise you of course would deserve your obvious destiny of slaves.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:12 am
A message of reassurance, to all fellow “Defenders of Freedom” throughout the World.
Due to recent concerns expressed by fellow “Freedom Fighters”, in regards to us Aussies rolling over and giving up our guns to the Government (Puppet Show), and therefore not being able to contribute to the coming conflict with the Globalist NWO. I feel that an explanation is warranted.
There was a very good reason for the rolling over bit.
The reason is, us Aussies have a secret weapon, millions of these weapons in fact. The early
pioneers of these alternative secret weapons, were many of our surviving diggers that had just returned from WWII. These diggers (that had fought, and the many that had died, for “our freedom”) knew this whole Globalist s--- would hit the fan someday, and before this would eventuate, future generations would be manipulated into giving up their guns “in the belief it would make for a safer society”. Now these diggers knew that Aussies withoutguns “would merely be “sheep” set for slaughter”. So an initial plan was formulated by three diggers that lived in the Australian outback. These three diggers knew that there was something that “would” counter the loss of firearms……..Kangaroos!!!. The Australian outback had hundreds of thousands of them, these diggers knew from previous encounters, that there was not a meaner, savager or more dirty fighting creature on the face of the earth than the Roo’.
Fact:-
One of these particular Roo’s had been sent over to a Zoo in Africa in 1927. The African’s had not been told how high a Roo’ can bound, it was only in the enclosure for 15 seconds before it bounded the fence (cleared the top of it by 89 feet) and hopped off into the Kalahari desert. When it escaped, trackers and keepers set off to capture it, what they came across six hours into the chase has become the stuff of legend. Before them was the most horrific sight they had ever witnessed. Around a near dried up waterhole were the various body parts of 3 bull elephants, 8 buffalo, 2 cobras, 16 hyenas, 1 girrafe, 6 lions, and bits’n'pieces of a partridge still in the pear tree. Needless to say the trackers and keepers hightailed it back to the Zoo and the Roo’ was never seen again. Over the next 34 years the dismembered bodies of 103,891 African animals where blamed on the Roo’, it is believed to be the main cause of such low numbers of wildlife in Africa today……..That was just one Roo’.
A Roo’ won’t hurt us, even if boxing one toe to toe (a favourite Australian pastime). A Roo’ is only dangerous to Man when it knows it is being hunted, that’s when they become a raging rabid killing machine, as testimony to the deaths of approx 8,000 Roo Shooters from various parts of Australia over the years. One Roo shooter that was lucky to survive back in 1949, wrote down on a Statutory Declaration that over the course of two months hunting a Roo’ he ran out of ammo after firing 4,012 rounds from a 303 into it.
The original three diggers, one of which was Mick Dundees old man known as “Roo Dundee”. He still holds the Australian middleweight record of 64 hours, 18 minutes & 14 seconds standing toe to toe with a full grown Red Kangaroo, that measured nine feet eleven inches fully erect.
A Roo’ is a natural boxer with no favour to either paw, they are both extremely accurate and powerful. If threatened, a Roo’ will punch to kill. An unfortunate banking executive was at the Sydney Royal Show in 1912, and being inebriated he got into the Roo’s pen and proceeded to pull it’s tail (not a wise thing to do to a Roo’), witnesses say it all happened inthe blink of an eye as the Roo’ spun around and threw a left and a right, those standing behind the banker couldn’t believe what they were seeing……..both paws protruding through the back of his skull!!!
It is very rare to see a mob of Roo’s without any of them fighting, it is a sight to behold, to witness two full grown Roo’s in a stoush, boxing the s--- out of each other.
On record for the most connecting punches ever thrown in the ring in one minute, in a fight with Tasmanian Wild O’Brian, was a Tassie Grey Kangaroo that landed 375 punches with both paws!!!.
Getting back to the three diggers, they put in motion a breeding and training program. This was overseen by thousands of other diggers from all parts of the country, that were keen to see that Australia could be defended without any guns, this program still continues to this day.
It gives me the greatest pleasure to announce, that at the present time our ranks of Kangaroos number 12,328,000, and they are spread out across all parts of Australia. The moment any Globalist sets foot on our soil, with weapons or the intent to enslave, these Roo’s will tear them to pieces as they’ve been trained to obey command’s like attack dogs.
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Picture this in your minds eye:
Millions of the tough, dangerous, lethal, bouncy bastards.
Legs that can propel them 260 feet in one single bound.
These Roo’s are regularly kicking 240 – 280 pound, full grown Wombat’s, a touch over 600 feet in training.
They have more stamina than the American cyclist Lance Armstrong (and that’s saying something).
The toes of a Roo’ on average are 8 inches long and sharper than a cut throat, they tuck under the feet into crevices, it is when they are threatened that the toes flick out (then it’s all over red rover)
If Bruce Lee was a Globalist and at his peak and with his deadly feet on our soil, on command, a Roo’ would disembowl or beheaded him in the first 0 – 5 seconds.
Our Roo’s slice open 44 gallon drums in training like there tinfoil.
Even though they would only need to use their paws to wipe out the Globalists, we want to see the Globalists looking like they’ve gone through an industrial shredder (they deserve nothing less)
Remember our Roo’ in Africa……..”it wasn’t even trained”
Fellow “Freedom Fighters” rest assured that we Aussies are prepared, and eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Globalists.
Even though there are Globalists on our soil right at this very time, we thought it better to wait until there Brethren arrive (a bigger celebration you might say) ………….skitch em Roo’
June 30th, 2008 at 6:18 am
yeah WrongNWO, “people KILLED BY FIREARMS” that doesnt mean homicide has decreased overall. anyone that would lead you to believe thats some kind of victory is pulling the wool over your eyes.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Peace, comes from the balance of power, not the absence of resistance.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:03 am
another amazing thing about other supposed free nations that have allied themselves with brittain or were forcably overtaken by them [ ottaman empire, new zealand, ireland, scotland, australia, everywhere in the carribean, all of africa] all of them were slpit up and occupied by the brittains and forced into some kind of slavery, or unjust oppression, just look at what they live under 4 million cameras and armed thugs with badges on every corner with machine guns???? communist russia never had as many gestapo types as the E.U nations now use to control their captive populations. I guarantee you that the french would never have allowed their supposed free nation to give up its money and identity and sovrienty,and all privacy, without allowing them to even vote on the end of their nation if they were allowed to bear arms. all those nations are a T.V. show for the jackbooted E.U. stormtroopers to stop you search you detain you indefinatly without any cause and for as long as they want for any or no reason, and if they destroy all you were or could be and are mistaken they arent even allowed to take them to court for damages nor are they even reprimanded!!!!! explain how these laws do anything but dominate you and keep you in your place. Again those of you whos only reason to criticize the only non E.U. dominated (yet) power left in the world because we kept our rights that our nation was founded on and our soverienty have no right to complain about your situation we will fight for our freedom from tyranny this nation smashed them when they were the most powerful nation on earth 1812, before that we smashed them in 1776 to become a nation, nobody believed we would fight then nobody believed we could win to the point that “EUROPE” made jokes about us being barbarians their discarded trash and they feel the same now, because it is the decendants of the very same arrogant trash that thinks its better than everyone the european nobility and their sycophants here ( rockefeller, gates, bush, and so on) and the fall of arrogance is always that they underestimate their supposed enemy because they cant concieve that this lower form could out do them. their arrogance is amazaing since their economy has made sure that even combined their militaries are second rate at best that when in trouble crawl to the U.S. military for any major problems. believe me when i say the U.S.military was built to fight the entire warsaw pact alone (during the cold war free europe all of it was only projected to stand undefeated for 90 days in W.W. 3) thats 3\5 of the world the plan that reagan passed to rebuild our military is still in effect and continues 1010, that is how long it will be before any reduction can occur. so if we continue as a free nation the U.S. could figtht and win a war against the E.U easily theif front line fighters are a downgrade from the joint strike fighter which is a generic f a 18 hornet with stealth and the list goes on aircraft carriers we can carry more on one carrier than all of the E.U. carriers put together and the list goes on and on so as long as we stay free and our constitution is loudly backed we can stand firmly in the way of these evil empire supporters but we must take back the congress and the house we must stat indformed and we must adopt support for anyone who will work for change in europe
June 30th, 2008 at 7:22 am
2.1 million responsible, intelligent people save their own lives and subsequently ,in most cases, relieve us of the misery of at least one useless criminal each time, a year…while some 30,000 thousand peacenik dupes and innocents get murdered or killed each year by not defending themselves with firearms.
So the morons and powers that be want us to believe it is better to sacrifice the intelligent, responsible gun owners for the 30,000 who die every ear? That’s bad medicine!
Peace comes from the balance of power, not the absence of resistance!
June 30th, 2008 at 7:35 am
EVERYONE WHO ENTERS THIS DEBATE SHOULD READ AKULA RED #44 UP THE SCREEN HERE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE ISSUE PUT MORE CLEARLY OR TRUTHFULLY. A MUST READ
June 30th, 2008 at 7:45 am
Is everyone at the Tribune this stupid? The Second Amendment is not a group right. There are NO group rights in the Constitution – only individual right. The Second Amendment was put there to make it possible for individuals to protect themselves against politicians and other criminals.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:53 am
to be honest i’m surprised at the supreme court ruling about guns. they have been pandering to the global banking elite and their puppets in government for so long that i expected more of the same. but when one thinks a bit further it becomes clear that they will use this situation to further weaken or even outright cancel the constitution. they will say that it’s no longer relevant in this day and age and the general public is so dumbed down that they will hasten to repeal the second amendment before you can say gun control. people are so brainwashed, that they actually believe their world will be safer if only the government has weapons lol. every responsible citizen in Switzerland has his army weapon at home with amo. Switzerland has less crime then any of its neighbors with much stricter gun laws on the books. although the new world order freaks are busy there too, spouting their propaganda about the evil of having guns in the hands of honest citizens and the “danger” to the “children”. while totally ignoring the potential life saving aspects of a weapon in self defense and even just as a deterrent to crime on your person.
yes guns can be misused and accidents do happen, but the alternative will make us slaves in mind as well as body. only the crooks will have the weapons and government enforcers will run roughshod over the peoples rights.
you watch and see, this will be used as an example of how the constitution in the US is no longer applicable. so long as the mass media keeps up their flood of new world order propaganda and refuses to focus on matters of import the average man will be easily mislead and enslaved.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:15 am
well said swissjack and i truly hope we wake up here and wish you nothing but success in defending your freedoms.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:46 am
This is a letter I just forwarded to the tribune, knowing they usually have word limits, I condensed my points, but the jist of Illinois is, they are bad corrupt, the police are absolute nazis and the entire legal system is infested with mafia, such as hellary’s family, the bad thing about this, other than them crapping on our constitution is, they have the death penalty, how can you trust a corrupt state to sentence people to the death penalty when they are already organized criminals.?
This is regarding your journalist attempting to deceive the public on the second amendment.
The federalist papers leave no question whatsoever about the fact we are to be armed at all times, the founders were masters of the English language, it is a self evident truth, they did not write a protection for a military element who are by their nature armed, in a document that in its entirety refers to the rights of individuals. The second clause clearly and unambiguously defines the peoples right to have firearms on their person, to refrain from revealing, these are the definitions of keep and bear in those contexts.
Here in America, 2.1 million people save their own lives with firearms in contrast to the 30,000 thousand who die not defending themselves.
I was assaulted by criminals and corrupt police in Mt. Vernon Ill, while not using my legally owed firearm to defend myself, the corrupt city destroyed my evidence, tampered with my witnesses a=making them unavailable and threatened me if I pursued a defense of the second amendment and my innocents.
Inalienable means, DO NOT TRESSPASS, the Illinois state constitution is even stronger than the federal and it is usurped with police powers that are not statistically justifiable to subvert our inherent right to self defense.
As a journalist, you should know this, report the real news and defend that which protects us!
June 30th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Below is the tribunes email address, I got it from writing them on the error of their ways on this matter, feel free to follow me, write them a well informed letter, let the know that we are intelligent , literate and well read and convicted on our precious rights.
ctc-tribletter@tribune.com
June 30th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Red Dawn: Resistance comes from the will to resist, not the means by way of which one has to resist.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:02 am
The government is afraid of an armed populace. The government is breaking the law and disregarding the Constitution. Politicians and career government workers know that the constitution has been thrown out the window. A well armed Militia is a threat to the establishment today as much as it was to the crown. The right to bear arms individually is a threat to individual control. King George wanted arms control not gun control, guns are not mentioned in the constitution, flintlocks are obsolete now, automatic weapon maybe obsolete in the future. The right to bear ARMS is the right to have the arms it takes to defend oneself from the government, not guns.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:07 am
What people don’t seem to get is that our government did not give us these rights, they are things that ought to be self-evident.
Obviously, we’ve lost a lot of self-awareness lately.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Potatoes patahtoes! If we do not have the means, we can improvise, but our beloved founders and title 10 sections 310-312 dictate that we are to get and maintain our OWN arms, as far as the irregulars anywho.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:14 am
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am
The Chicago Tribune is simply playing its role hyping fear of guns. In 1965 Mayor Daley Sr. used the Race riots that summer to hype the fear of a Race war. The Illinois FOID card became a compromise between the NRA and the State of Illinois has an answer to stopping the sale and transfer of guns to Blacks that may come into the state in the event of a race war.
The concessions by the NRA in 1965 changed the culture in Chicago. Gun shops were everywhere in Chicago including High School shooting clubs. The people of Chicago now live in fear after 40 years of fear based gun control.
The NRA also helped pass the 1968 Gun Control Act because of race riot concerns.
The simple truth is there was never going to be an Apocalyptic race war.
The checks and Balances of Gun control would have prevented it from happening.
Some are asking how more guns would make us safer.
To me this is simple “We had a Checks and Balances within our society that kept the Bad guys Guys in check even though they had easy access to guns. When you disarm the individual you Empower the mob, that’s why we have gang violence in Chicago.
Before the NRA concessions in 1965 and 1968 we could buy guns through the mail NO Background checks and NO paper work (4473 forms) yet crime was low. Even people with mental illness could by guns. So could nonviolent felons.
It’s important for people to understand History if we are to restore our lost rights and freedom. Joining Gun Owners of America we be a good start as well. Only GOA wants to restore our rights by Repealing the gun controls that make us victims and slaves.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:39 am
105-red dawn now, You are exactly right my friend, however, no one ever seems to want to mention the “Federalist Papers” and of course they hope they have succeeded at dumbing down public education (including state supported colleges and universities) enough that no one with a “kollege edukation” will remember what the hell they are.
PEOPLE, WE MUST NEVER, GIVE UP OUR GUNS!!!
BTW, another network that I like to listen to is: http://www.theamericanvoice.com
Alex does a great job but sometimes I just need a break from listening to the same person for hours and hours . The American Voice has multiple hosts, interesting guests, fantastic discussions without all of the yelling and screaming and interruptions, and is easy to be a call-in. Give it a try!
HOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 9:40 am
another completely off base comment, no tyrannical system is goin to pay attention to say a stick weilding mass they will just run them down with tanks like china who by the way is the globalst model for us all they want to model society ater mainland china otherwords if you disagree they either kill you or forced labor in a concentration camp. all you need to do is google rockefellers comments on chinas civil rights you will not be surprised of his answers if you have been watching the propaganda world policy thinktank comments he and the rest of his cronies say. ALSO PEOPLE NEED TO START ACCEPTING THAT WORDS MEAN WHAT THE DICTIONARY SAYS THEY MEAN NOT WHATEVER FANTASY THEY WANT THEM TO AND NO AMOUNT OF RHETORIC WILL EBVER CHANGE WHAT WORDS MEAN. THAT IS THE REASON MAN EVER DEFINED WORDS IN THE FIRST PLACE SO THEY WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD. IN THE 1700S ON THROUGH THE 1900S PEOPLE WERE FAR MORE LITERATE IN ENGLISH AND GRAMMAR THAN TODAY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TOLARANCE FOR PRETENDING THINGS MEAN SOMTHING DIFFERENT THAN THE WORDS MEAN. aND FEELING GOOD ABOUT WRONG WORK HAD NO PLACE IN SOCIETY AND BEING HAPPY WITH FAILING BUT TRYING HARD WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE IDEA OF SIMPLETONS FAILRE WILL BE FAILURE REGADLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK APPLIED AND ANYONE WHO BACKS THESE FOOLISH IDEAS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON AS WELL
June 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am
SEVERAL OF US HAVE QUOTED THE FEDERALIST PAERS, IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS MEANT IN ANY AMMENDMENT IN THE CONSTITUTION THE MEANINGS, DESCRIPTIONS, AND EXAMPLES OF EVERY(PERTINENT) THOUGHT OR CONCERN THEY HAD IS DISCUSSED THERE IN GREAT DETAIL. THEIR SOLE PURPOSE WAS AND IS TO 1]DESCRIBE THE JOURNEY COMPILING THE PROTECTION OF THE NEW NATIONS PEOPLES FROM OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.2]THE CLARIFICATION OF THE IDEAS BEHIND EACH AMMENDMENT AND ITS APPLICATION 3] A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS NOT. SO READ THEM BEFORE YOU PRETEND TO KNOW ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE UNTIL YOU DO YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKIG ABOUT. THERE WOULD BE NO TALK OF GUN CONTROL AGAIN OR ANY OTHER CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT AGENCY BECAUSE THIS NATION WAS FORMED TO ESCAPE THESE VERY THINGS. NONE OF THIS IS NEW NONE!!~!! IT IS THE SAME TYRANNY IN 1776 BY THE SAME FAMILIES
June 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am
well if they want chaos and disorder to complete thier plan for global tyranny than all they have to do is start taking citizens guns and you will have thier HOME GROWN TERRORISM people stand for this will fall alot of us but “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH”
June 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am
#113 Spartan Patriot, Hoo-yah, where have you been? Veit Nam Vet & I have missed you! We just talked about you Friday & Sat, too. He says you are busy sharpening ‘liberty’s teeth’, haha.
I agree with you about listening to Alex on all accounts. Sometimes the yelling really gets to me. I will check out your recommendation.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Who are you referring to Geoff? I meticulously researched those words, while a modern dictionary would not say that, I research them 15 years ago from various original sources in context with the federalist papers.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:09 am
American heritage dictionary: keep, 10. ‘to refrain from revealing, ‘ as most founders and people of that time maintained there pistols as most should and do today, common sense, Bear: to carry on ones person, now everyone knows that the military does not run around armed all the time unless they are in theater in their areas of operation. Keep and bear are applied to individuals, to have firearms on their person at all times at their disposal!
June 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am
red dawn you are right on the money i dont dis agree with a single thing you posted here my comments were more directed to those who evade with rhetoric the things in the constitution they dont like or try and say that words meanings are up for debate when they dont like what they say like unalienable right to bear arms
June 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am
p.s sorry my key board had a broken caps lock key not yelling just too early to wake up my wife to ask where this keyboard was fixed now
June 30th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Hey s---cgo!
I hope your city grows a pair and shoves this ruling right down the mayor ( King DICKY’s )
thtoat until he gags. That commie bastard has had this coming for years. All the people who owned guns then registered them like the “law” said to then had swat teams show u at their doors to collect their guns and fine or toss their poor asses in jail for keeping guns in the city limits. All the while that puss gut bastard walks the streets with an army of bodyguards. f--- you Dick and now f--- your laws.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Before the passage of the 1930 uniform federal firearm act ALL persons including felons could buy and own guns. Even after the passage of the 1930 act Non-violent felons could still buy and own guns.
It was the NRA concessions in 1968 that really changed our culture.
The NRA created through their concessions the Disqualifying Persons standards.
Yet there is NO evidence that people suffering from mental illness are any more likely to commit a crime than any other demographic group.
This once disqualified always disqualified is BS.
If we follow the intent of the Founding Fathers the only people that would be denied the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are those in Prison, in a Mental Hospital and Illegal Immigrants.
Simply look at the facts in say Chicago; before the passage of the Illinois FOID card and the 68 GCA there were 395 Homicides in 1965. That number skyrocketed in 1972 and again in 1994 to 972 homicides. The number of Homicides has never been less than they were before gun control was passed.
The hell of it is 1965 was a year of Race riots in the city. Even during the 1930’s the years that saw Gangsters and Beer Wars in Chicago the Homicide Rate was still lower than current levels.
Gun Control does not work it only removes the Checks and Balances in a society and actually makes crime worse.
Has long has people ignore human history Human nature and the control and manipulation factors of our society violence will continue. Criminals prefer unarmed victims and that’s the only thing gun control does create victims.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:39 am
well said mad as hell
June 30th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Ahhhhight tin, thank you very much, sorry for the typos on my 105 post, I am embarrassed that I sent that to the tribune.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Hey, Liz!
Your repeated reference to “hicks” shows us all what you are – an elitist wannabe who will gladly kiss the butt of anyone with “authority” or anyone who has more “social status” than yourself.
You’re a pathetic petit borgeousie zombie and you are unfit to live in a free society. I suspect that you realize this and are thus anxious to make this a non-free society. Be careful what you wish for. I doubt you’ll like it unless you are even more mentally damaged than you appear.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Kangaroo’s, Kangaroo’s, arm yourselves with Kangaroo’s or perish.
The hour is at hand.
Thou Shalt not Kill.
Thou Shouldn’t Kill. change a few letters, changes the command.
Though Should Kill. change a few letters, changes the command.
What if God was one of us? just a stranger on a bus?
2+2 = 4 don’t come knockin at my door, i is sleepin, within dream just weepin. Stop let me off.
Good morning officer, is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just happy to mace me!!!
Run, Run for your very lives, head to the hills the hills of Kentucky, or look inwards, isn’t that the place you hide? hide within yourself “they” will never find you there, or inside that chair, are you a bear? bearly alive, lick a beehive, STOP please just stopSTOPsToPsToPpPpPpPpPpPpPpP can i get out now, please.
Br
Brr
Brrr
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I said let me go, your just a voice inside my head, and you know that i’ll go and get Fred, and then you will be dead,dead,dead, just like Fred, cause he smoked in bed, the beds are burning, and we are all yearning for peace, peace brother, make peace not war, peace train, it;s all the same, words don’t come easy to me, how can i tell? who is to tell, go and tell the teacher.
Is war good?
Is peace bad?
Is what it is, just the order of things? whos’e order? i never issued any orders, i gave strict instructions not be distilled or filled.
When they come for me, i am going to tell them in no uncertin terms, at the top of my voice screaming, screaming, screaming at them, louder, still louder, I’M ALREADY DEAD.
Dont give up, just don’t, and stop thinking of yourself for once in your wasted life, you self centred, self satisfied, selfish piece of s---, you are just a machine that produces s---, try and get a farm subsidy for that, you could become self subsidized, or not, think, think, think about the chidren, not your “eGo” cause that’s a DIRTY word, and don’t you believe what youv’e seen or youv’e heard.
Will someone please once and for all, tell the POPE to just f--- right off, him and the rest of his deceivers of believers, i would tell him, right up front and right out loud, but he wouldn’t hear me i don’t exist, can’t exist on the min’mum wage, to wage, war, to wage a war, on who the hell’s authority? i never authorized it, I DON’T VOTE FOR LIES, never have and never have, i do know what i know and that is:
Kangaroo’s, Kangaroo’s, arm yourselves with Kangaroo’s or perish.
The hour is at hand.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am
it’s amazing to me that a vast majority of the public don’t even know about writings quoted from Jefferson and Hamilton and about the need for an armed citizenry. I am glad to see that the article has put theses things in perspective and hopefully a re-education of most of the dumbed-down public will be required to read (if they kNoW how to rEaD) the other side of this one sided story. I recommend reading the federalist papers and their opposition side the anti-federalist papers.. long live Alex Jones the modern day Nathan Hale!
June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am
you arent far off in sayingthat most dont know how to read, im a 40yr old army vet who went back to school (college ha ha gotta be specific here) last year in order to get my psychology degree because construction just doesnt pay anymore. Ethics was a huge and very tough class thats assignments were all group projects where your grade depende on all the members of your group also doing their work or pieces of the project (im not even going to talk about the goals of the exercise and all that was mind bending there) our group consisted of 9 people of these nine 1 knew how to write a paragraph, 2 knew how to write a complete sentence, 2 knew the difference between a clause and a phrase. the rest couldnt even spell words larger than 5 words half the time! none could write a essay or even had heard how to do one!! At the end of each assignment the 3 of us that could read would have to take all these 18 and 19 yr old high school graduates work and divide it up and redo it so we did not fail the class 23 out of 48 passed the class. that other 14 were 2 other groups that did the same as we. Its not just the younger adults but they were and are the vast majority on campus. so believe me when i say that its almost time to cry for our children because their greatness is being stolen from them. they should leave school much smarter than we were and they have as much or more potential than any other generation in history but its part of the plan uneducated population is east to control
June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am
you arent far off in sayingthat most dont know how to read, im a 40yr old army vet who went back to school (college ha ha gotta be specific here) last year in order to get my psychology degree because construction just doesnt pay anymore. Ethics was a huge and very tough class thats assignments were all group projects where your grade depende on all the members of your group also doing their work or pieces of the project (im not even going to talk about the goals of the exercise and all that was mind bending there) our group consisted of 9 people of these nine 1 knew how to write a paragraph, 2 knew how to write a complete sentence, 2 knew the difference between a clause and a phrase. the rest couldnt even spell words larger than 5 words half the time! none could write a essay or even had heard how to do one!! At the end of each assignment the 3 of us that could read would have to take all these 18 and 19 yr old high school graduates work and divide it up and redo it so we did not fail the class 23 out of 48 passed the class. that other 14 were 2 other groups that did the same as we. Its not just the younger adults but they were and are the vast majority on campus. so believe me when i say that its almost time to cry for our children because their greatness is being stolen from them. they should leave school much smarter than we were and they have as much or more potential than any other generation in history but its part of the plan uneducated population is east to control
June 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I had to vent I am an Ex-cop from chicago and I saw the crap first hand and would not have anything to do with depriving anyone of their rights. That and a few other things is why I told them to shove the badge. Ya it’s very personel for me. But the sheepole there are so brainwashed by da mayor the majority belive his b s ask anyone well it’s for our own good GOD
You don’t know how that just drives me crazy….. Oh yes you do
June 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act we could buy guns through the mail NO background checks and NO paper work (4473 forms). No National Instant check system (NICS)
People suffering from mental illness and non-violent felons could all buy guns, yet crime was low, why?
It’s because we had a checks balances in our society that kept the Bad guys in check. An armed society is a civil society criminals prefer unarmed victims. Gun control only creates victims.
Prior to the 1930 Uniform Federal firearms act All person could buy and own guns. The law only banned violent felons like murders from buying and owning firearms.
Even this bill wouldn’t have been needed if they simply would have kept the violent offenders in prison. If you can’t trust these people in on the streets then keep their ass locked-up.
We live in a nation where a restraining order during a divorce can cause the loss of gun ownership even when there is NO threat of violence.
Being charged with a felony is so easy just question a cop and you risk being charged with assault.
Our rights are from God how can a Government limit a right that preexists law.
The words “shall not be infringed” at the time of the writing of the constitution was written has a commanding prohibition.
“Shall” is a command
“Not” is a Prohibition
“Infringed” in the law means “treaspass” which is entry and “transgress” which means “encroachment”
Thus a commanding prohibition on the entry and encroachment on the right to keep and bear arms.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
It seems fairly obvious that the right is intended to apply to average citizens who are not members of a well-regulated militia. The amendment is saying that a well-regulated state militia could not exist in a nation where citizens were barred from owning firearms, because they would all have to be trained to use them properly.
As it stands, in a state like Texas for example, if the people had to form a militia in the face of some crisis, they could do so and would be able to defend themselves and others.
Gun control advocates are advocating defenselessness, whether they cop to it or not. It is a simple fact that gun control is only an effective deterrent against lawful citizens who do not intend to commit crimes with their weapons.
How many violent criminals are roaming around out there with no previous convictions on their records? Maybe a handful. The rest have been arrested before, and convicted of felonies, and therefore have already forfeited their second amendment right. How would further gun control and prohibition stop or even inhibit these people from purchasing a black/gray market weapon?
It must be frustrating to have such an illogical, indefensible perception of the second amendment. The best argument they have revolves around three words, and that very argument has been struck down by the highest court in the land, as it should have been. They paint gun owners as nutjobs, criminals, and country yokels. What they fail to mention, what always gets lost in these retarded debates, is that this has nothing to do with guns.
We have the right to defend ourselves, bottom line. In this day and age there is nothing better suited for home defense (and still legal) than a firearm. It’s that simple. We have a right to defend ourselves, and as such have a right to own and lawfully use the best all-around option for home defense. Gun control advocates rarely even approach such territory, because they know it’s an uphill battle. No rational person would say we don’t have the right to protect our lives and property.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING IS 1776.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Um…. WTF… First of all it’s quite clear that they aren’t gun grabbers. The illustration shows King George and a British flag and a simple mockery of what was discussed last week. If anything I’d be proud as an American to hang that pic on my wall.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Rosie O’Donnell is a gun grabber.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
WAC wrote:
“Um…. WTF… First of all it’s quite clear that they aren’t gun grabbers.”
A little dense, are we?
Headline of article: Repeal the 2nd Amendment
First line of article: No, we don’t suppose that’s going to happen any time soon. But it should.
WAC New Mexico: Reading comprehension FTL.
Also, to further point out how confused you are, the picture in question was not part of the Chicago Tribune article. The article above was written by Kurt Nimmo ABOUT the Chicago Tribune article calling the for the destruction of the 2nd amendment. Next time, if you bother to read, these things won’t have to be pointed out to you.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Here’s the reason they’re 2 clauses in the 2A
William Rawle defines the right of the people to keep and bear arms has a natural consequence or corollary of the need of an armed citizenry/militia.
The express need of an armed citizenry guarantee’s the right of the people to keep and bear arms as a duty and therefore absolute.
The Corollary or natural Consequence between the 2 clauses goes both ways, meaning the arms of the militia become the arms of the people and the arms of the people become the arms of the militia.
If you’re able-bodied not in prison or in a mental hospital it becomes your duty to be armed.
The 2A was written to reflect the earlier laws of the colonies and maintain the duty of the citizenry to be armed.
June 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
@ Liz:
Don’t be a fool, and don’t try to play me for one. Brush up on your grammar, critical thinking, and tactical debate.
“Keep and Bear” does not mean “shoot into the air.”
If I saw someone shooting a firearm unsafely in a populated area, I would shoot them first before they hurt me or anyone else.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
June 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
“A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves.” We have been so dumbed down as a nation I feel there is little hope for our republic. If we want to know what our problems are in this country, we need only to look in the mirror. If politicians who proposed Constitution-busting legislation were summarily tarred and feathered, many of our Freedoms would be unmolested today, for the parasites would be infused with the fear of God. If our beer-drinking, football-watching, knuckle-dragging ignoramuses woke the Hell up, turned off their Idiot Boxes and did their homework, we would be better off in so many ways. But we would rather stick our heads (in the sand) and be masterfully entertained by the mindless tripe on the Boob Tube. Your best bet: Become as self-sufficient as possible, learn your history. Learn colonial skills (leatherworking, blacksmithing, canning, etc). Archive as much survival information as you can. If possible, stock up on food, invest in gold and/or silver. Know your neighbors. Get guns and learn how to shoot them. Why is there a BATFE and NOT a BATR (religion) or BATS (speech) BATA (assembly)? The Constitution is not a menu; there are those who would like to treat it that way. We have ALLOWED the 2nd Amendment to become the red-headed stepchild of our Bill of Rights. Politicians are our SERVANTS. And we have stupidly allowed them to become our MASTERS. God wake us up.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
canceled my subscription to the Chicago Tribune a long time ago!
June 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Prometheus didn’t steal fire from the gods for nothing! Now the neo-con monster wants to take it back from the people so that they cannot fight the power structure when the ultimate police state kicks in.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Daley is a frikkin piece of s--- gangster just like his piece of s--- daddy. Governor Blow-me-bitch Blagoievich is lower than snake s---. I moved out of Illinois years ago for this reason. I volunteer to be the hangman for these bastards when we take our country back and hang all of the treasonous pieces of crap.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Lets Tar and feather an effigy of Daley!! WOOHOO!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
So what happens when the vast majority of citizens believe that it’s safer to stay asleep?; this is not to include recent ‘legal’ immigrants because they mostly favor gun control. Where does that leave the enlightened minority? At the mercy of the majority? Democracy is a dangerous thing if not properly used.
1789
July 1st, 2008 at 12:36 am
#131 John-in-Tennesee- how right you are. Did you hear that Daley now wants to arm all 13,000
patrolmen with M4 carbines? Pistols aren’t good enough anymore. They can’t kill enough people
quick enough. You made the right move John – 2 right moves – you quit the force and you left
the big city.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:23 am
The second amendment can’t be repealed. None of the first ten amendments can. Starting with amendment 11 and onwards they can be, but the first ten cannot.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:08 am
Nice Article. I have been writing a few about this subject too. We have a lot of documentation from the founding fathers that gives us a strong perspective on what they intended with the 2nd amendment. I am not sure why the supreme court chose to ignore the words of the founding fathers to make the decision, I have a feeling it was arrogance or stupidity though. Furthermore, there are apparently no historians at the Chicago Tribune. It is very easy to find information from James Madison (who wrote the Bill of Rights) to further substantiate that the 2nd is an individual right, not a state right. As Neal Boortz continues to point out, it is stupid to assume that 9 amendments are individual rights, and 1 is a state right. Completely absurd.
Nice article btw.
Collin
Rejectsociety.com
July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Thank You EddietheKid I will not stand for tryanny. Yes I heard about the m-4’s that Dicky is giving to the s---cago Gestapo, there again it proves only the evil eill keep you from having liberty tools to defend yourself but they can have machineguns. An armed people are the ruling class an unarmed people are subjects. Never for get that folks.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Here is what I don’t understand:
The gun grabbers claim that “well regulated militia” means that citizens should only be armed if they are members of state-controlled militia. So why would Thomas Jefferson, one of the framers and a former President, say the following:
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Gun grabbers argue on the grounds of intent, falsely claiming that the amendment wasn’t written to protect legal gun owners from gun control and prohibition. But according to Jefferson, we may have to exercise this right to protect ourselves against tyranny. It doesn’t say federal government. It just says government.
I think Jefferson’s intent is crystal clear in this case.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
@ ItsMike:
That’s what “inalienable” means, you’re exactly right.
Even if they are “repealed” on paper, the rights cannot be abrogated.
It’s self-evident.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Gee, I did’ni have time here to go back thru all the posts, but I bet if I did I’d find another one of those dunderhead f---ing Austrailians bellering about the “virtues” of outright bans on civilian firearm ownership. I laughed my ass off when that idiot “crocodile hunter” asshole got skewered by that manta ray! f---ing retarded aussies!
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
THANKS GEOFF !
This issue is near and dear to my heart, but I must give credit where credit is due.
#44 is a culmination of what my father tried to teach me throught my life about our wonderful Republic.
HAVE A HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE!
July 4th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Retard aussies eh?.. And you guys still wonder why no one likes americans. hmmm? I agree though that the meaning behind the amendment was for citizens to arm themselves not to be paranoid or at arms taking justice in thier own hands, but incase of a wayward or facist government/state it is necesary to be able to become independent from organized pretection. yours and my country were created as a peoples nation. Contitutions were written, because they new governments would not always stay for the people. Any change to the constitution should be a huge warning flag of a hostile or hidden take over. First the right to bare arms then free speech the freedom of travel then freedom of assembly cause dont think they wont call us terrorist white or not. Thats why i have several riffles. I use them only for hunting, but when and i mean when america comes for my water i will not let any pass that arnt suffering citizens like me.
July 4th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Ps- as for american gun crime. it has nothing to do with guns. We have way more per person and only 222 gun crimes in a year nation wide. America gun murders alone 16,750. Theres a deeper problem then gun possesion. Its childhood eliteracy…Ironically i spell like s---
January 1st, 2009 at 7:36 am
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