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Gun owners protest police action
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CHARLES SCHILLINGER
The Times-Tribune
May 14, 2008
DICKSON CITY — A Friday evening police incident spilled over into a Borough Council meeting Tuesday, with gun-rights advocates alleging harassment by two police officers.
The regular monthly meeting erupted into a full-blown debate on the Second Amendment, with more than 20 Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association members — many of whom were openly armed — arguing their right to carry a weapon in public.
Police have yet to release a report of the incident in which a group of customers at Old Country Buffet were questioned about openly carrying handguns in public. At least one of those customers, Rich Banks, of Luzerne County, was detained for refusing to cooperate with police in regard to his concealed .38-caliber handgun, Police Chief William Stadnitski said. Mr. Banks’ weapon remains confiscated, but the chief said he can pick it up at any time.
Pennsylvanians are required to carry a permit for a concealed weapon; however, there are exemptions, such as in the case of Mr. Banks, who Dickson City police later found out had a federal gun-dealer license.
“We don’t feel there was any misconduct. We did what we had to for the safety of the customers,” Chief Stadnitski said of his part-time officers, Karen Gallagher and Anthony Mariano, who responded to the restaurant after 911 received complaints. The chief said no charges will be filed.
But some, like Andrew Koch, disagreed. Mr. Koch drove more than five hours from Pittsburgh to speak out for Mr. Banks and the other gun owners who were “embarrassed, oppressed, harassed and violated” by the police.
“These officers need to be disciplined, and criminal charges need to be brought against them,” Mr. Koch said.
Firearm association members turned out from all over the state at Tuesday’s meeting after postings on Internet sites, such as www.opencarry.org. The co-founder of that site, Lancaster resident Mike Stollenwerk, drove from Washington, D.C., to protest the police conduct.
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“Normally when hiccups like this happen, they don’t go as far as gun seizure. … Usually it gets cleared up much quicker,” he said.
Bill Grumbine, of Kutztown, carrying a Springfield XD-45 handgun, said he brought his 15-year-old daughter, Emily, for a “real-life civics lesson.”
“The last thing we want to do is use our guns, just like the last thing you want to do is use the air bag in your car,” he said. “But we believe in being prepared, and we believe in exercising our rights.”
Several council members and Mayor Anthony Zaleski defended the police officers.
“Our officers did not know what to expect. They could be walking into situations similar to shootings at school campuses and other public events,” said council President Barbara Mecca.
Contacted by The Times-Tribune, Lackawanna County District Attorney Andy Jarbola declined to comment on this specific case, but said people have a right to openly carry a weapon without having to show identification or a permit.
“Police can ask, but if they don’t want to give it, they don’t have to,” he said. “It’s going to be surprising to the public, but that’s the current state of law.”
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May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Boy, that first man was almost panicked at being in a room with sidearms carried–holstered.
Hooray for the D.A. who upheld the right to carry without showing a permit.
One small step for 2nd amendment rights.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
FAR OUT AND SOLID!!!!!
A Patriot is a Militiaman Who readies himself everyday in Quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
TxGirl just wait til the NWO sees what they are gonna unleash!
A Patriot is a Militiaman Who readies himself everyday in Quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
#2, Viet Nam Vet, I can’t wait, hope they have to change their shorts, haha!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Posted this on another story, Got a shipment in today and from here on my symbol
Against the NWO will be the Flag Of the Confederacy!
They will be on my right shoulder sleeve.
Yep guess I’m a REBEL!
A Patriot is a Militiaman Who readies himself everyday in Quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
#5 Viet Nam Vet, The South will rise again, eh?lol
May 14th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Before the end of time one great nation will rise again!
He saved the best for Last!
A Patriot is a Militiaman Who readies himself everyday in Quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
#7
May 14th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
you guys are very intimidating standing there like that…
what.. a.. whiny.. bit$%
May 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Everybody living in a city, tonight at 3am eastern time..take out your loudest firearm and crank off some rounds in rapid succession. (pick up your brass or use a revolver, eh) When the cops come to your door and ask if “you heard some shooting?” answer “yes, (perfunctory pause) sounded like it came from down the street.” I always do this childish routine when back from a ski trip.. Cops crawling all over the neighborhood for hours gives me that warm fuzzy feeling. lol
May 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
#10 Fuzzable, you little prankster, lol.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Did you hear that mousey brain washed guy? Has he not read the history of America? When everyone had guns the violence was very low comparitively. Also the govt would keep clean because who knows what might happen… Hence every Americans right to throw out a corrupt gov’t. These mousey brain washed retarded cowards are whats wrong with this country. Thats right… home of the coward land of the sheep.
I would like to see this guy back in the old or even ancient days when everyone carried swords then later guns. He would say I don’t feel comfortable with that guy over there. His sword looks too sharp and I don’t know him from adam LOL. Could you see the people’s faces?
Guns are like any tool. I think the only law should be if your drinking you shouldn’t be armed and a heavy penalty for doing so. Because back in the day the most people were shot was in a bar. Just like drinking and drving no dangerous activities or equipment while under the influence.
Thats the only law that there should be in my humble opinion.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
#10-Fuzzable
You’re joking right? Tell me you would NOT fire off live rounds when you don’t know where they are going to land!
May 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Ask that clown if he knows who those people are driving down the highway at 70 mph in a several ton vehichle? He don’t know them from adam either but yet he tust they won’t smash his car into little pieces leaving him nothing but a stain on the road. What a moron.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
#10 Your doing that is what gives gun owners a bad name too!
Man as Gladiator said ya do not know where they are gonna land.
Could be some kids head or anyone.
Get real dude!
A Patriot is a Militiaman Who readies himself everyday in Quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Byron, the simpering wimp is scared of his constitutional rights?
This was a really brave group of men and I applaud them for
being heroes in a time of ’sheep s--- cowards’.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I LIKE FUZZABLE’S IDEA!!! mabye evn close your eyes and take a chance??? I once threw and empty beer bottle over my head in a park that had an open concert crawling with cops. It smashed the back window of a passing cruiser. They NEVER figured out it was me. I didn’t do it on purpose, but I didn’t mind either. They spent hours looking for something to worry about…..I gave them a little something.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Only cops get to shoot and not know were the bullets going to land, eh Gladiator and VC-vet Word to the wise, don’t fart or drop a plate near cops..they may think it’s gunfire
Top Inglewood police officials struggled Monday to explain why officers fatally shot unarmed motorists over the weekend, acknowledging that there was no evidence linking the man or others in the car to the gunfire that drew police to the scene.
“It was a totality of circumstances,” Capt. Eve Irvine said in explaining why the police shot at the car Sunday, killing Michael Byoune, a 19-year-old passenger, and wounding the driver, 19-year-old Larry White.
Irvine said the officers opened fire because they heard gunshots in the area and saw the vehicle coming toward them. Police said they found expended rounds suggesting that someone was shooting in the area, but they were still trying to determine who was behind it.
Inglewood Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks expressed condolences to Byoune’s family — but said it would be premature to call the shooting a mistake.
“As the chief of police I want to assure you all that our investigations will be objective and they will be comprehensive,” Seabrooks said.
One of the officers who opened fire had been with the department 5 1/2 years and his partner had been with the department less than one year. Seabrooks said both officers have been placed on paid administrative leave. Although California courts have ruled that the names of officers involved in shootings should be publicly released, the Inglewood Police Department refused requests to release their identities.
The chief said there are three investigations into the incident — criminal and administrative probes by her department, and an independent investigation by the county district attorney’s office.
Inglewood police said they are still trying to piece the incident together and have further interviews to conduct as part of their investigation. Preliminarily, they said the incident began about 1:40 a.m. Sunday when the two officers heard gunshots while patrolling the 3000 block of Manchester Boulevard. At least three independent witnesses told investigators that they saw a man pointing a gun in the direction of the officers who had pulled into a Rally’s fast-food restaurant parking lot, Irvine said. Expended rounds that did not come from the officers’ weapons were found in the parking lot, she said.
About the time the officers heard the gunfire, they saw a man run and get into a slow-moving car in which Byoune was riding. The officers said they heard more shots and felt something hit their cruiser, then fired several shots as the vehicle moved toward them, according to police. Police now believe that the man who entered the vehicle was not connected to the shooting.
Byoune was shot at least three times in the torso and died at the scene, said Los Angeles County coroner’s investigator Jerry McKibben. White, the driver, was wounded in the leg. Another passenger was not injured.
Inglewood police officials have offered conflicting details and accounts of the shooting since Sunday. They originally said the incident might have been gang-related; hours later, they said none of the three men in the car were suspected gang members.
Police spokesmen have focused on the officers’ hearing gunshots, and feeling under attack as their car was struck by something. Later they said there was no evidence that the police cruiser had been hit.
Asked whether there was any evidence of bullets striking the police cruiser, Seabrooks responded: “No, there were not. Not that we could clearly identify as coming from an external source.”
But Los Angeles County coroner’s Assistant Chief Ed Winter said there were “multiple bullet holes through the front of the windshield” of the police car. The report by the coroner’s investigator did not say whether the gunfire came from inside the cruiser or from outside, Winter said.
“The coroner conducts an investigation into the manner of death and does not conduct an investigation into the crime scene,” Inglewood Police Sgt. Gabriela Garcia said.
Although it was unclear whether the officers saw a gunman, Seabrooks defended her officers, saying they “correctly” believed “that they were under fire.” And, she said, the officers believed that they were in danger because “that car was being driven at them.”
But an expert on use of force said it was unusual that no one was charged with a crime if the officers felt threatened by the vehicle.
“It’s quite puzzling no one was charged if indeed they believed that the car and its passengers presented an imminent threat of loss of life or serious injury,” said Merrick Bobb, a county special counsel and executive director for the nonprofit Police Assessment Resource Center.
“We are under no obligation to quickly file charges, and in this case our investigation has to indicate it is appropriate to file charges,” Seabrooks said.
Bobb added that a number of police agencies in Southern California, including the Los Angeles Police Department and the county Sheriff’s Department, have in recent years tightened their policies on firing at moving vehicles.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Re: #17
That’s it! I’m calling for a full ban on flung beer bottles! This is an outrage!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
We truly live in the twilight zone.
It’s pathetic that people are afraid of law abiding citizens carrying guns yet have no such qualms that officers whoa re essentially above the law nowadays carry the same sidearms.
What’s even more pathetic is that certain people fail to realize that a gun is an inanimate object just as a knife, bat, or car are. A person can be killed/injured with a knife just the same as with a gun.
These people don’t even have a sense of self or family preservation at the end of the day. If the government came tomorrow and raped their wives and grabbed their children they’d take it with a smile.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
As you can see, the NWO is trying to turn up the heat ! It’ll get much worst before any signs of getting better, that’s a promise !
May 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Yeah, that 17’s a REAL terrorist. Just remember….’I AM CANADIAN!!!’.
And it WAS a Blue Dry if I remember.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
these guys could have made there point without wearing thier guns in the court house I think. Kinda makes us look bad from where I’m standing.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
#24 Slayer, Nope I think this was a good way to get their point across.
Do Not bow down to tyranny.
A Patriot is a militiaman who readies himself everyday in quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
BTW slayer, gun grabbers do not give a s--- what we look like in their
eye we are all bad gun nuts!
MOLON LABE!!!!
A Patriot is a militiaman who readies himself everyday in quiet FURY!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I applaud these guys…it is our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to carry firearms on our person, in homes, etc.
Just because someone gets intimidated by the sight of a gun is no reason to cry foul. Real patriots carry guns to protect them and their families….
I swear by it because I ain’t gonna be headed off to any FEMA camp without gunz~a~blazin
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I think I would feel a LOT safer and better in a meeting with armed citizens around me than I would in one with armed police around me.
Responsible citizens not only have a RIGHT to carry firearms, but at this point, with the assault on the constitution and the out of control police, we almost have a DUTY to arm ourselves.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Damn right, coming strait from the mouth of the new age bootlegger, I aint going to be disarmed, and neither will my posse. Id like to see a stand down between all of my friends and family who are avid hunters/outdoorsmen/women and the police be they swat or blackwater. My 12 gauge mossberg is just as intimidating as that assualt rifle when your only 25 yards away. albeit i may not be wearing body armor… maybe gun laws should be a little more “revamped” or they should go into more detail. but why is body armor illegal? damnit I can buy a gas mask over the internet but not even a bpvest?
AHHHHH! damn you america for what youve become
May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
These people are examples of americans standing up 4 there rights, I would feel totally at ease with an armed public because if some asshole got out of line and tried to hurt people he would be dealt with. Crime would go down and it would deterr a tyranical government. They are not taking me to any camp because i will go Audie Murphy on there ass and take them out like Audie did the germans.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
What’s no longer surprising to the public, Lackawanna County District Attorney Andy Jarbola , is that these laws are being ignored by the police who obviously don’t give a good goddamn about the laws.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
the confederate flag is the christian battle flag. Marching orders. Only eleven states in the confederacy. why 13 stars? The tribes of Isreal were the number 13!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
REPENT OR PERISH
REPENT OR PERISH MEANS TURN OR BURN
IF YOU DON’T TURN FROM YOUR SIN OR FALSE RELIGION YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FIRE.
YOU MIGHT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST BUT IF YOU DON’T TURN FROM YOUR SINS YOU ARE STILL A SINNER ON YOUR WAY TO A BURING HELL BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE IS A HEAD KNOWLEDGE BUT YOU NEED A HEART BELIEF.
THERE IS NO SALVATION WITHOUT REPENTANCE.
Jesus said; Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13:3,5
The Bible says;
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, not hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, not of their thefts. Revelation 9:20,21
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 55:7
He that covereth his sin shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Proverbs 18:13
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers. nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor coverous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. I Cornithians 6:9,10
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Tehese guys did a hell of a job.I live NY one of the major armpits of the US. These guys would not know Article 2 of The Bill of Rights if someone slaped them in the head with it. I’m sorry to say its probaly going to come to a situation where we will have to hold court on the spot if they keep assaulting us. Mabey we need to do what the Rusian said in his book about the Gulag’s. Basically what he said was then when the secret police came to get them they should have taken axe handles and beat the crap out of them and give tem something to think about. Now I’m as scared as anyone else out there but what else is left? Shamus
May 15th, 2008 at 3:58 am
I fly the confederate flag now,a yankee in michigan with the gadsen flag anti-nwo flags and anti-martial-law flags…….
May 15th, 2008 at 5:02 am
Brent #12 Okay, history wee hours update. I really feel honoured for the bravery of the firearms group, good work, carry on men!
Now that history: Do you know why we (north america residents)drive on the right side of the road and UK drives on left?
In very early days, when on a road, meeting a stranger, generally on horseback, you would be prepared by having your sword on your left side, being right handed, drawing it with your right arm, to oppose any charge or thrust from the opposite directed other traveller. Thereby having your sword in your right to counter.
However; by the time of the settling of the west, guns were invented. So, when meeting an oncoming traveller, you passed on the right, as your holstered gun, either belt holster or saddle holster for rifle, then easily able to cover your left, having the weapon in your (again) right (handed) hand.
In times of troubles, such as those old time days, common sense said arm your self.
And now, with a time of troubles such as never was and never will be again, just on the horizon, I know it is very right to oppose the gun grabbers.
Unfortunately, theres not much choice for the vote, unless (perhaps) Ron Paul or the Libertarians.
NRA backed the GOP, recently, as Ashcroft seemed to respect (the second) but I am learning, more and more, the old Holy Biblical axiom “Trust not in the arm of flesh” rather, trust in God, and ask that he keep your self armed, and strengthen your own arms to fight if and when necessary.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:15 am
What you have to do in a situation like this is to sue the individual officers, their chief etc. for civil rights violations. One of the proviso’s to your suit should be that they never be allowed to work in law enforcement again.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:25 am
I find it interesting how the Lackawanna County District Attorney Andy Jarbola, injected,“It’s going to be surprising to the public, but that’s the current state of law.” As if the public would be outraged by the “current state of the law”. Was he implying that it needed changing.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:29 am
Nice to see people in this country can still form a mob and challenge government.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:52 am
I believe that there is a combination of the media and government putting out an image that carrying guns is wrong. That people who have guns are criminal type people and up to no good. This misconception is evident in the video that was posted on this blog. The citizens at the meeting responding in disgust to Mr. Koch for him carrying a firearm. The thing these people dont see is it is people like Mr. Koch who will stand up for our rights, without him it will be quite easy to have everything taken from you.
May 15th, 2008 at 8:57 am
https://www.frontsight.com/free-gun.asp
maybe someone should send this link to the “i am afraid to carry guns” people
what a country we live in when the spineless want to control those of us who believe in our constitution and bill of rights
May 15th, 2008 at 9:04 am
“In the Second Article, it is declared that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state: a proposition from which few will dissent. Although in actual war, the services of regular troops are confessedly more valuable, yet … the militia form the palladium of the country …. The corollary from the first position is, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. THE PROHIBITION IS GENERAL. NO clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give Congress a right to DISARM THE PEOPLE.” Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But, if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.
“http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=002314
i would suggest we all print out the sections of our respective states constitutions and carry that with you to show the cops….you might have to read it to them lol
May 15th, 2008 at 9:12 am
http://www.saf.org/default.asp?p=rkba_protections
list of states with right to keep and bear arms constitutions
May 15th, 2008 at 9:14 am
#41, 42, & 43, AZ Patriot, Thanks for the info, and especially #43.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:16 am
guess the cops missed this
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/que.....rmits.html
May 15th, 2008 at 9:24 am
#41 AZ Patriot, I take it back, Thanks for post #41! WOWZER!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:24 am
All the gun owners in the us need to turn there guns over to the us government.Its the police job to protect the people not the people’s job.The governments is to help run our lives an our faimlys lives.I believe the police should take all the guns by force an lock up all the gun owners in this country.The police have the right to have guns not the people.The police are just looking out for us an making sure we play by the rules an obey the government.We have no say how we live our lives or rise our kids.Its the govenments job to tell us whats best for us an our faimlys lives.We need to do has were told an obey the police an the government.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:30 am
heck don no trolling there!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:33 am
It’s about f---in time!!!! The PEOPLE ARE THE LAW you f---ing gun grabbing pricks! NOT THE COPS OR THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE f---ING GOVERNMENT.
If you “intimidated” by a CITIZEN having a gun, maybe you should un brainwash yourself, pull your head out of your ass, and open you f---ing eyes as to what’s really going on in America and the rest of the world.
What’s scary to me, is a bunch of unarmend sheeple bowing down to the police state which is gaining it’s evil momentum daily.
Sorry, but guns are a neccessary evil to maintain liberty, and if anyone doesn’t like it they can suck my barrel.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:34 am
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Don Says i am a spineless sheeeeepppp baaabaaaaabaaaaa
dude you are really showing your stooopididty ,go to canada they need more jellyfish like you
May 15th, 2008 at 9:35 am
txgirl i enrolled in the course can’t beat it for the money plus a 30 state CCW!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:36 am
I hope your kidding Don. Otherwise your the official poster boy for PUSSY AMERICA and the effeminant male of the post millenial USA.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:38 am
“concealed carry” is also illegal and infringes the second amendment. IT’S INCREMENTAL BULLs---. And if you carry your sidearm openly and legally, THEY WILL STILL HARRASS YOU AS DEMONSTRATED IN THIS VIDEO.
It’s all part of the brainwashing that only cops should have guns. Well, I ain’t buying it.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:39 am
#51, I am impressed. Really, many thanks for posting it.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Lmao, I think don was being sarcastic.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:40 am
#53, Gabe, good morning, hey tell us how you really feel, haha.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:40 am
How did the tattle tales at Old Country Buffet know that these folks were not off-duty cops????
May 15th, 2008 at 9:42 am
I am NOT about to let the Gov know what weapon I am concealing by bowing down to their permit bulls---. Where do you think they will be coming to first when the gun grab gets underway? Going to be real easy when all they have to do is hit enter on the keyboard.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
hey gabe, old timer jk, i was just wondering when is enough gonna be enough are people gonna wake up only when its too late
May 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
BINGO TXgirl. Lines must be drawn in the sand somewhere.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Enough Jared. I’m going to work now, PACKIN. And I ain’t asking anyones “permission”.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:15 am
patriots need to start having our own drills, rounding up traitors, having trials the whole 9 we really need these drills because it will be happening soon
May 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Look guys, another thing to think about. It doesnt matter if u have pistols, rifles, shotguns. Those weapons have been around for over a hundred years. Your own tax dollars are being used to develop technological weaponry that nobody with a personal defense weapon can match up against. Long radio audio incapacitating weapons, Microwave transmitters and such. Already built and shown, who knows the stuff we havent seen yet.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Did anyone catch the show yesterday? One of the guests mentioned about Operation Checkpoints and gave web address of where these check points will be in your area. I missed it. I sure like to go check that website out. Thanks.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am
#43 that was an eyeopener. Where I am – California world’s largest
psychiatric out-patient clinic – we have no rights. It’s quite possible
the cult of nazis here decided ‘The right to arm bears’ was far more
important than to save a human life. Smacks of UN funded
Greenpeace. It’s par for the course…cults worship creation rather
than the Creator….human sacrifice is their gift to Lucifer….and the
mafia, yakuza and Illuminati control this crazy place. Anyway, they’re
out in the open here which is more than I can say for the ‘buckle of
the Bible belt’. By the way, that Confederate flag also belongs to
the monarch. The symbology is strong.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I had a discussion about the Veterans Disarmament act…really…how many Vets actually went Rambo in the 70’s…it’s f---in’ bulls--- really!!!! Nam and Iraq are similar yet not the same…I’m glad that OUR govt. loves us as much as DON does..freak!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
AMERICANS!!!!! TAKE BACK AMERICA NOW!!!!! ARM YOURSELVES TO THE TEETH AND DECLARE YOUR INDEPENDENCE!!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
AMERICANS!!!!! DON’T GIVE THE ROYAL, LUCIFERIAN, ILLUMINATI, FASCIST, WARMONGERING BLOODLINES YOUR FIREARMS, YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR HOMES, YOUR TAXES, YOUR WOMEN, YOUR CHILDREN OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT HOT LEAD AND LOTS OF IT!!!!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
THE WHOLE WORLD IS RAPIDLY GOING UNDER A FASCIST, TOTALLITARIAN STATE RULED BY LUCIFERIAN, ROYAL HYBRID BLOODLINES WHO CONTROL THE BANKING SYSTEM. WE MUST FIGHT BACK NOW!!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I BOUGHT A NEW GUN WITH MY STIMULUS PACKAGE CHECK! I KNOW BUSH WILL APPRECIATE WHAT I’VE DONE TO HELP THE ECONOMY, DON’T YOU?? LOL
May 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
RIGHT ON GERONIMO, I WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
They’ve already taken our guns here in Australia. The public here is even more brainwashed than in America. 9/10 people are anti-gun SCUM. They handed them in gladly after the engineered Port Arthur shooting.
Americans!! Fight for your 2nd Amendmant!! You are the ONLY force holding them back, the last line of defense against the NWO. They’ll keep engineering mass shootings and they will not stop until they’ve had their way. If you give up your guns, the whole planet will be totally enslaved.
I’m not going to obey gun laws because free men don’t ask permission to keep and bare arms.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
im sorry steve but a monopoly on power means ur screwed
May 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Check out that dude in the council meeting sitting just right of that lady -he’s checking out her tits while she’s talking – look at the video -its funny man!
May 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
This story is another means of disarmament. The idiot complaining doesn’t know if the the guys is a plain clothes cop or not. He looks like a well fed cop to me!
The kids at all the schools were on drugs and most of them didn’t need to be on them. I believe they are using the kids and others to use drugs against the guns!
May 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
haha he sure is eyeing her tits. He’s like “man look at them boobies”
May 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I think it is shameful that a Law enforcement officer does not even know the laws he is sworn to uphold and enforce, especially those that relate to the civil rights of law abiding citizens. I mean honestly, how in the world can you enforce a law you do not know. I went the the web site Dickson City Borough and under the government link they have a picture of the preamble to the United States Constitution. They probably have not even read that document either.
http://www.dicksoncityborough......&id=10
May 15th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
“Police can ask, but if they don’t want to give it, they don’t have to,” he said. “It’s going to be surprising to the public, but that’s the current state of law.”
Last time I checked that was the f---ing law since 1776 when the 2nd amendment gave “THE PEOPLE” the right to bear arms in order to form a milita when needed to provide for the security of the free state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Surprising to the public”
Why should citizens,who SHOULD have been schooled by public education,be SURPRISED by other citizens exersizing a law that has been part of the highest law of the land since 1776?
Oh,yah,thats right….we teach our kids that guns are evil in public schools and that fashion is all that matters………………
May 15th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Oh yeah,and to explain the obvious disinclination of certain cops to appreciate this new found rectification of the 2nd that some folks are participating in:
Its simple,mr. piggy man is under the impression that as the badge wearing “LEO”,HE is the only one ENTITLED BY LAW to carry guns and mr.piggy man thinks HE is the only one that has the right to act in public while armed,its a deviation to his view of the world to imagine that ANYONE ELSE BUT HIM,and CERTAINLY NOT some LOWLY PEASANT should actually have the right to defend themself…….
May 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
To Rich Byron-
Your ideas and thinking is flawed.You belive that only police should be armed in “government buildings”,you are terrified of citizens carrying guns for “your childrens sake”-
You are a f---ing moron who obviously has no clue as to what being American means.It means we do not have to rely on cops to protect us,especially not cops who,in this country,have a LONG AND OUTSTANDING record of abusing their authority towards the citizens of America.
You bring up your children as if their mere existance alone justifies the voiding and abandonment you have perpetrated in regaurds to your own right to bear arms.
You would rather rely on your precious “Government” to protect your children for you,because you are a coward who would rather pay a thug with a badge to protect you rather than stand up like a real American and do this job yourself as the forefathers’ clearly intended for you to do when they wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights.
You sir,are a glowing example of all that is wrong with America and all that is un American.
You are one of those that clamor and cry about all your “rights” when you dont realize that with these rights there are RESPONSABILITIES-
Like your responsability to defend your family,a responsability your precious “Government” has denied in case after case by saying very clearly that the police are NOT responsable for your safety.
You are a coward and a traitor.
I hope you and your family suffer in your own home at the hands of the criminals you protect by your dastardly victim disarmament agenda while you wait 30 minutes for the police to save you-
When you could have done it yourself with your own firearm acting under the color of the highest law in the land.
Learn the law,grow some testicles,and quit whining about how you are intimidated.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
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J Says- Thanks J. I couldn’t of said it any better. That was AWSOME!
F R E E D O M!
May 15th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
I met an old man once
He said to me,
you know whats different about this land I love sonny?
once upon a time,
we valued self-sufficiency
May 16th, 2008 at 11:32 am
hey guys’
i will be getting my first hand gun soon, ,any advice on what i should get? i want something that doesn’t kick back too hard but still has effective stopping power. something relatively inexpensive would be nice too, ,but not much of a concern. thanks in advance
May 16th, 2008 at 11:43 am
buy a shotgun with a 3 1/2 in chamber. You can use non lethal bean bags, buckshot or slugs and you can hunt almost any kind of game with it.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:54 am
# 82- Boo GLOCK 30.
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Steve is right.
You are the last chance.
No other nation has the amount of guns you have and no other nation and stop the NWO.
You have to hunt these bastards and kill them down on your soil so they can’t get the rest of the planet.
DON’T BE IDIOTS!
June 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
TO <B?Boo! You should stick with a good, S&W or Ruger revolver in 38/.357. Look for a police trade in or lightly used stainless steel, 4″ 5″ or 6″ barrel and you’ll be well armed. Throw in a few Safariland Comp 2 speedloaders, get some good 158 grain loads and practice, practice…PRACTICE. Dollar for dollar it’s hard to beat this combo.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:13 am
we all need to grow some testicles,read and know the constitution,stand up, speak up and don’t compromise. they want us to believe in a fashist run democracy,{mob rule}. Americans are getting informed more and more everyday,so help out and turn your friends on to Infowars.com.for their daily news.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:01 am
This was their excuse for LEAVING, (that is, AT THE END, not “as they walk into”) with illegally seized weapon(s):
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“Our officers did not know what to expect. They could be walking into situations similar to shootings at school campuses and other public events,” said council President Barbara Mecca
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