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Healthcare debate must include costs for treating illegals
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The civil case against a Florida hospital draws to a close this week. A relative of an illegal alien sued Martin Memorial Medical Center when it repatriated the man after treating him for nearly three years at an un-reimbursed cost of $1.5 million. The relative/legal guardian wants an unspecified six-figure judgment for alleged false imprisonment and nearly $1 million in economic damages for the medical care he has not received since 2003. That’s when Martin Memorial paid $30,000 to charter a jet to take Luis Jimenez to a medical facility in Guatemala. Jimenez now lives with his mother.
Carol Plato, the director of corporate business services for Martin Memorial in Stuart, says Jimenez is an example of what happens when hospitals treat illegal immigrants. Martin Memorial also is treating an illegal Mexican immigrant for severe brain damage. The man has no family in this country. He’s cost Martin Memorial about $1.5 million over the past two years. Plato says Martin Memorial has contacted the Mexican consulate and the U.S. government about returning the man to Mexico, but no one’s helping.
In addition to this patient, Plato says six illegal immigrants use Martin Memorial three days a week for dialysis with no reimbursement because of their status.
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Listen closely, but you’ll be hard-pressed to hear anyone in Washington, from the White House to Capitol Hill, placing medical coverage for illegal immigrants as a priority in the healthcare debate. They don’t want to address it seriously, because then they’d have to find a solution to the overall problem of illegal immigration.
Uncompensated costs to hospitals and other healthcare providers run into the billions of dollars annually. The Florida Hospital Association estimates that in 2007, treatment for illegal immigrant patients cost $100 million. A 2004 study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform put California’s annual cost at $1.4 billion.
States bordering Mexico take the biggest hits. A study by the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition found that hospitals serving the 24 U.S. counties along the border ate $190 million in the year 2000.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires all emergency departments to treat all persons coming in seeking medical care, regardless of residency status or ability to pay. Hospitals cannot legally ask residency status of patients, which thwarts attempts to determine accurately the scope of the situation.
A few years ago, the U.S. Government Accountability Office looked for available federal funding to help hospitals offset the costs of treating illegal immigrants. GAO surveyed 503 hospitals and interviewed Medicaid and Medicare officials in ten states, only to determine that an accurate assessment of these uncompensated costs “remains elusive.”
Conservative estimates place the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. as high as 10 million. Nearly 60 percent of the illegals do not have health insurance, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. That means 40 percent have health insurance, mostly provided by their employers. If that’s the case, then around 4 million illegal immigrants receive health coverage because they’ve supplied their employers with false or stolen Social Security numbers.
Here in Texas, the state and local hospital districts spent about $677 million on uncompensated health care for illegals in FY 05, according to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission. The Harris County Hospital District provided $203.5 million in uncompensated care, according to the study, which hospital district administrators say is twice what they really lost. The study, however, did not include figures from the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, which lost $140 million a year, according to published reports.
“Last year, 6,540 visits from undocumented immigrants cost Parkland Hospital System in Dallas $7 million, and Memorial Hermann in Houston incurred over $4 million in cost for their care,” says Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas). “Hospitals in Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, and other states have drawn 100 percent of the available federal aid to help defray the costs associated with providing care for illegal immigrants.”
Unless Congress comes up with a way to fix the illegal immigration problem, the continued strain on the healthcare system by undocumented individuals will cut into any cost savings of a universal healthcare plan.
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July 26th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
This report is three years old and the numbers have gone up.
Jeff Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
So what makes you better than them?
That you are white and were born there?
earl the earl of earl Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Jeff, nowhere did Illegals Are Killing Americans state or imply he was “better than” the illegals.
You are trying to throw mud on the very clear fact that illegal immigrants are a large proportion of the violators of listed crimes.
IF these illegals were NOT in this country ILLEGALLY, they could not commit these criminal acts, thus significantly reducing the crime rate.
thecoppo Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
so if they were here legally committing these acts, how would that be better?
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
That’s the point! Are you THAT stupid??
They’re not supposed to BE HERE! And if they weren’t here, we’d have THAT MUCH LESS crime to deal with.
Many Americans would be ALIVE if they WEREN’T HERE!
Chips Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:28 am
The rulers (I was about to say “government”, but that no longer seems fitting, considering the utter lack of accountability to we the people, and unfairly excludes the international bankers who actually exercise control) love debates like this, while they continue their generations-long takeover of the nation’s monetary wealth. I’m not saying that illegal immigration is not a problem; the greater problem is the two-faced stance of our “representatives” – espousing border control and rule of law while practicing non-enforcement – and our history as a nation of allowing, and, on the part of many, in the interest only of immediate profit, embracing it.
The truth is, we already bankroll illegal immigration. It’s the tip of the iceberg. I wish I could see a peaceful solution.
joe Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
you beaner apologist. Those crime rates cannot be defended.
earl the earl of earl Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
The Coppo, your’s is a nonsensical question. You need to rephrase and try again.
Tim Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
****ATTENTION****
Please clear your schedule for this Saturday, Aug 1st at 1:00 P.M. EST where Lyndon LaRouche will host an International Webcast. Among the topics of the webcast is the immediate action required to halt a planetary dollar based collapse. Lyndon LaRouche, a many time presidential candidate, is also a leading economist, historian and an American statesman.
Summary
July 28, 2009 (LPAC) Political economist and statesman Lyndon LaRouche today called for the immediate bankruptcy reorganization of the entire Federal Reserve System, before the dollar based global financial system crashes. LaRouche warned last week that, by no later than the end of the current fiscal year, or weeks earlier, even as early as sometimes during August, the system will crash, probably weeks before the year end data is released. In fact, the present world economy is already hopelessly bankrupt for as long as the U.S.A. and world systems remain dominated by monetarist systems… http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11173
Steve from Yellowstone Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Aliens are a problem but what about the reptilians?Aliens can be noticed but the reptiles look like people.If the car shuts off or I find a rectal probe then that’s an alien but what signs do reptilians give?
FreedomLover Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
You’ve been breathing too much toxic fumes from the mudpots.
Chips Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Hopefully a rattle or somethin’.
Vade Lynch Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
We are at the point where EVERYONE who knows what’s really going on need concern themselves with nothing more than giving out copies of DVD’s, copies of the Jane Bürgermeister lawsuit article by Kurt Nimmo, wearing infowar t-shirts in order to get conversations started, and most of all, educating yourselves so that you may speak to the subjects intelligently and calmly. Stand up straight without looking down your nose. Present yourself so that you and your information will be received well.
There is no conspiracy, but there is an agenda. We were warned about “infiltration” long ago. Now we must practice infiltration to subvert the system that the enemy has clandestinely replaced our beloved republic with.
Please. Stop wasting time with idle hands and loose lips. Educate yourself and educate others. Help people discover the truth on their own.
Good Luck.
http://www.myspace.com/vademusic
spirt of liberty Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Im not better because Im white.
Im better because I have been raised in a culture of liberty which understands the three fundamental documents of western culture.
Without this understanding we are all doomed.
If illegals dont understand these things then the fabric of our republic is more easily torn and broken.
If one of my brothers is a slave then I too am a slave. I have worked in restraunts that employed illegals and make no mistake they are slaves in the land of the free!!
Citizenship affords protection from tyranny!!!
Kayhla Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Raised in a culture of liberty? What planet did you come from? Abduct me now, space alien ^^
Steve from Yellowstone Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RAMONE,get me a tin foil hat!
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Yes, LEGAL citizenship! Many of them CARE NOT for citizenship. Many of them CARE NOT for assimilating and learning English!
These are the most racist people on Earth. Illegal aliens are murdering black teens in California, simply because they’re black, no other reason!
I’ve worked hard in restaurants too! So what? Those who SHOW a desire and willingness to come here legally and follow the correct procedures, definitely are the responsible ones to be rewarded, and obviously would have a much lower tendency towards criminal acts against Americans. Those who CARE NOT for following this procedure to come here legally, definitely SHOW they CARE NOTHING for this country or its citizens.
Liberty or death. Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I completely agree “Illegals are killing Americans”. They don’t follow our laws in the first place since they came here illegally. Since they came here illegally, they don’t respect our culture. We have long standing laws in this country and I’m sick and tired of them being ignored by illegals and by our nasty government and the puppets that control them.
Chips Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Liberty – the rule of law hasn’t been ignored by our nasty government. It has been purposefully thwarted.
OBAMA'S CRACK PIPE Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
DAMN PUSSIES
GUESS I’LL HAVE TO SAY IT
I’M GLAD I’M WHITE.
I KNOW I’M BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE.
White Heterosexual and believes in God Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I agree!! Our race isn’t perfect but we’ve helped humanity and deserve respect for our contributions.You don’t see us trying to cross into other colors countries.
FreedomLover Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Umm – white…
That’s because there is no where better to go! America may be seriously messed up, but it is better than other parts of the world.
I hope you have the time to go listen to this guy. He details communist China’s chilling intentions for this country later in the video.
http://socioecohistory.wordpre.....-true-ott/
WEREFEAT Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
To: Obama’s Crack Pipe
“I KNOW I’M BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE.”
You “probably” are.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Well, the first thing that makes me better, is that I’m not included in those statistics, neither am I included in American criminal statistics.
No one said anything about being “white”. Your liberal tactic of playing the race card is well worn out, and doesn’t work anymore you fool!
Just because you, yourself haven’t YET, become a victim of illegal alien crime, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Hey, don’t worry dude! Time will tell, and it WILL happen to you or someone you know or love. Just wait! Public school did you NO favors.
joe Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am
even if an act of crime isn’t commited against him our system is still overburdened with them. they r leeches.
earl the earl of earl Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Correct again, Illegals are Killing Americans.
The implication is that if one opposes illegal imigration, one is a racist.
Typical radical strategy of attacking the opponent without answering the question at hand. Very cheap and intellectually bogus.
smith and lessons Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
LOOK !! …i mean, well, if we don’t, we can’t have Social Security….
nocheektoturn Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Mexican food is better than American food but they dont give away for free in Mexico or America I think all U.S citezens are due some free Mexican food in Mexico .
EP Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Its not that anyone here in OUR country is better then them but why the fuck do I have to pay for illegal immigrants. We have no secure borders, we have a broken system that doesnt really deal with them and solve the problem of illegal immigration. Im half mexican myself half white, I carry a mexican last name, and I look it more then I look white, so coming from a U.S. citizen that is 3rd gen here in this country and I dont speak a lick of spanish, Fuck these immigrants. Yes I said it. Im I am a u.s. citizen, and its not fair for citizens of this country to pay for the prisons and healthcare of these people, that money should go to secure the borders. stiff penalities should be put in place to those who repeatly return after deportation, do we got a problem with cheap labor? well fuck even paying those who pick grapes, if they want to come here and do all these jobs for us, lets let them do JUST that only they can work for nothing in our prison system. My fruit will thus be much cheaper, ty.
Mr. Motto Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Um….you pay for them now when they use the emergency rooms as their source of health care you knuckle head. We are all affected by those with no health care who go to the emergency room. It increases the cost of everyones insurance, get it?
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Well your great grandparents went through the agonizing pain of discrimination and depreciation just because they were hispanic and were different, but like all immigrants they come hear so their future family can live better and have what they never had, jus so happens to be that 3 generations later you would insult them and their efforts to give you the life they never had.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
His grandparents weren’t murdering, raping, or stealing identities either, dummy!
NO, NOT ALL immigrants come here to live better, future family, yadayadayada!…etc.
Read the crime stats, and watch Lou Dobbs. He’s the only one that will report the truth concerning the illegal alien invasion!
Oreilly and Hannity will too, but they’re traitors to America! Will you please do some real research now? Geez!
Izzy Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:40 am
They practically already have free health care . What is there to debate?
Glenn Beck's Banker Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Hey Jeff, he did not mention color so if you assumed that then you are the racist a-hole.
LRS Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
LEAVE MY COUNTRY NOW… WE HAVE ENOUGH STUPID PEOPLE……
Griz Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Not better, just LEGAL. You always try and shift the argument around to focus on “alien” or “minority” when you find that you can’t overcome the fact that they ARE CRIMINALS to be here. Don’t tell me they’re “refugees” either, or they could have filled out paperwork and gotten legal temporarily until the final case comes up. They are a bunch of folks that happen to know they can walk across to what they perceive as a far better situation. That is because our elected officials haven’t carried out their Constitutional responsibility to secure our nation’s borders. We have a solution, close the borders and send them home after trial, with fitting exclusions from legal immigration for a period of time. That’s just me, but the problems they are running from seem to be bringing our nation their troubles, not bringing them away from their problems. Seems to me that if they are so honest and hard working, they could fix their own country and stay put!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
the CIA has killed an estimated 6 million people worldwide throughout the years in their killing feilds, and your here puttin minute statistics about illegals
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
What’s your point? We’re not talking about the CIA, even if you COULD prove those numbers you’re spouting.
Traitors like you, ever more apparent, NEED to see numbers to wake up to the reality of what these invader’s intentions are for this country and its citizens.
Public school can’t teach COMMON SENSE! I see now, what the water is really doing to liberal brains.
It’s going to HAVE to happen to you or someone you know or love, before you’ll finally stop your betrayal of your fellow Americans of ALL RACES!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Let me tell you my friend that i would betray this country a thousand times – exposing the truth of corporate amerika, and not even feel in any way or form bad about it, – i pledge no allegiance to a disgusting, inmoral, hypocrite and two faced government of ours and if by saying this makes me a “terrorist”, then so be it im a “proud terrorist”.
But its not only our government that ruins everything, its that typical american way of thinking and typical “yankees” like you who provokes hatred and anger across the world, its people like you who blame the world and every race in it to be at fault so you can wash your hands and look away,
Americans say muslims are intolerable people, who are crazy and violent and on top of that have a shity religion – thats not true, if you INVADE another mans land and take his resources then prepare to recieve the retaliation of the muslim people.
The reality of this world is no one likes americans, it is you to blame for many of the mishaps in the world, there is over 190 countries who have second thoughts about terrorist corporate amerika. you people have brought this upon yourself.
oh and by the way the reason why i mentioned the CIA is simply because it is the worlds most notorious government criminal organization(which just happens to be an american organization) that gets into other countries buisness and kills their citizens – now that your title name is illegals are killing americans.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I’m not part of the CIA, so I’ve killed no one you idiot! Then you call me a “yankee”? You don’t even know the meaning of that word, that’s obvious.
But, forget about the insults for a minute. You said “people like me who blame every race”??
I never said anything about race. There you go again FOLKS!! You see what type of fools we’re dealing with. This guy’s apparently not even here in the U.S., and thinks he has the RIGHT to speak on this issue?? HAHA! What an idiot!!
Why are you mentioning “muslims”? I’m speaking about the violent crimes that illegal aliens are committing against the American people of ALL RACES, EVEN HISPANICS!
I don’t know how many times I have to say this before you liberal morons get it! 13 Americans are murdered daily in the U.S. Another 12 die daily from illegal alien drunk drivers. 10 or more children are raped daily here by illegals!! It goes ON AND ON AND ON!!
THIS IS WHAT I KNOW FIRSTHAND! Yes, 9 out of 10 vehicle burglaries in my community are committed by illegal aliens! I catch them all the time, along with my neighbors, and you may think that’s a petty crime, but considering the ratio, you can apply those numbers to much worse crimes.
NOW! Please google Jamiel Shaw and Bologna Family San Francisco, and maybe, JUST MAYBE you’ll learn something about what these invaders are doing to us!! AGAIN! We’re not discussing the CIA, muslims, or anything else here, stupid! This is about a 3rd world, foreign, criminal invasion, in which blacks, whites, arabs, asians, hispanics and others, who are ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, must unite against! NOW!
Go back to school fool! Just because it hasn’t yet happened to you, doesn’t mean it’s not true! Verify the stats above, and you’ll see! What a tool you are!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!!
Steve from Yellowstone Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I’m going on a road trip to Dallas.Ramone,get me a convertable!
LRS Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:17 am
I think he just adding to the story…. try and keep up..ok.
Griz Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Trigger Happy, so what we have to do to repent for letting our government BS us to death is allow at least twice the number of illegal immigrants to come in and do as they please on our dime? Who passed that sentence in what court? You’re a moron, two wrongs never make a right. I refuse to pay a sentence for criminal wrongdoing that I did NOT do personally. Hell, by your logic, I having some “Native American” blood, should now be allowed to run around and scalp a few people that may have harmed my long dead ancestors! What a world that will be! You best be watching what you use to justify things, you might be on the receiving end of your imperfect version of “instant karma”. And it might not even be YOUR FAULT! Face it, we are all punished for where we are born one way or another. People in country X have no clean water, people in country Y have little medical care access and people in country Z have been consistently manipulated by their government, are seen as “rich” when they travel overseas and therefore often targeted for kidnappings. Welcome to country Z! No get over it, because there is a right way and a wrong way to immigrate to another country is NOT a barrier.
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:26 am
yes very good points , now why doesn’t country Z help country X to have clean water and country Y with medical care – no because country Z is too busy selling weapons and more weapons to countries A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I…etc. so that they can fight against each other constantly without end… so who wins? well the rest of the countries have been devastated by war, but country Z(us) reaps the rewards – war is buisness thats why our military industrial complex is all so powerful because thats the best this country does is make and sell weapons.
but i mean other than that illegals still have to pay taxes, this whole thing on illegals commiting crimes of murder, rape, taking what doesn’t belong to them is still part of science of the society, plus their numbers are nothing compared to the amount of foreign people we have killed, murdered, raped, and especially taken what doesn’t belong to us.
and im not sayin i agree on criminal acts commited by illegals cuz i dont or anyone else who commits them, but turning a blind eye on reality by not accepting what your government has done later to blame others is even worse.
DErAngeD Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:46 am
just the medical costs alone are part and parcel to the downfall of the healthcare system in our country. ALL politicians need replaced starting in 2010.
john doe Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I DO NOT WANT TO SCARE ANYONE
BUT THEY HAVE THIS IDIEA THAT THE HISPANIC
RACE IS DECENDENT OF THE ATLANTIS PEOPLE
SO THE WANT THAT RACE ONLY AND ANY
OTHER RACE GONE SOME KIND OF HITTLER STUFF
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earl the earl of earl Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
La Raza translates as The Race.
I say La Raza Blanco.
mycountry'sinthecrapper Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Geez! You must be hatefilled, ignorant Racists….Or died in the wool TRUE PATRIOTS!!!
I’ve actually seen NYC police walk right past loitering illegals to harrass American folk about their car being parked slightly wrong on the sidewalk. Fuckers!
I am quite certain there are many many MANY good AMERICAN folks who would gladly work for the going rate of $11 an hour illegals get.
Send ‘em back, enlist in the War, do something! We need to be rid of these roaches.
mycountry'sinthecrapper Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am
*near the sidewalk, not on…But I have seen illegals driving a construction truck drive up onto the sidewalk!!!*
July 26th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
These facts are all true. I work at a hospital and have a friend that works here with me and hes not married to the gal he got prego so the gf is uninsured. With his tax dollars he pay every year you would think that she might be able to get medicare but NO since the fater makes TOO much money! WTF. But Hector, Juan, Jose can all get the women impregnated and John Tim and Bill will pay for it. Gotta Love the system
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Yes, what’s wrong with having 2, maybe 3 children? Liberals, racists, amnesty advocating, open borders craving, traitors always say how hard illegal aliens work, and that they take the jobs we won’t do. What’s the point?
Of course anyone who doesn’t make that much money, will have to bust his or her ass, working hard, when they have 5 or 6 kids to feed!
I’m not saying there’s anything bad with having a large family, but if you can’t support them, that is complete irresponsibility, and when it comes down to it, child abuse to bring that many kids into this world, when you can’t feed them.
There are enough starving children around the world who need to be fed and cared for! Illegal aliens are shameful!!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!
Liberty or death. Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Completely agree, once again. I don’t care what country they’re from.. the fact is that they are here ILLEGALLY, AND ruining our country.
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
and dont forget Sir Jack Mehoff is payin too!
Phillay632 Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
and don’t forget Mr. Ben Dover is payin’ too.
Steve from Yellowstone Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Mike Hunt is hurting real bad too!Ramone,get some icy/hot!
Full Metal Jacket Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Seymoor Butts saw the illegal aliens swimming back across the river once he raised and shot his rifle.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I guess Jeff like working hard and paying taxes so they can come here 8 1/2 months along and have a baby here so number 1) its free because we cant turn them away and 2) They are americans now. 3) Most of them will get a job in the fields so where and im not saying that there is anything wrong with that its just a fact that they and there young will get sick as every one does and have to be treated. Who pay we do people here that pay taxes. So Jeff open your eyes and don’t talk like a mental midget
FreedomLover Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Once they start with the deadly flu, citizens and illegals alike will be fighting for their lives. There are no enemies in shared foxholes.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
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July 26th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The citizens are being taught to love illegals more than their fellow citizens. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs. The citizens need to “get mad”. Here’s an article about doing so and fighting tyranny that I like if anyone wants: http://www.americareclaimed.com/get-mad
Crito Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Yeah, American’s are helpless in the face of the NWO’s plans but those illegals are living on easy street. Sure, if you guys say so…
Stop blaming the slaves for the crimes of their masters.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
OK, so will you blame them for the murders, rapes, robberies, identity theft, child molestation, and intoxication manslaughter all over our roads, amongst a whole host of other crimes they ARE committing against Americans of ALL RACES, EVEN HISPANICS??
WILL YOU BLAME ILLEGAL ALIENS FOR THESE CRIMES?? IF NOT, THEN WHO DO YOU BLAME?
FOOL!
July 26th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
100% of the atrocities committed against Mexicans by US authorities go unreported.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Check this out sir!
http://www.immigrationshumanco.....ctims.html
Here are some atrocities that were reported.
Crito Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
No visa-less immigrant has every harmed me. In fact, it’s really great to get out of the Fascist Police State of America and visit a free country like Mexico. You don’t realize just how Nazi-like America has become until you visit the rest of the world.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Hey, that’s great! So what’s your point? Are you saying that just because you haven’t been a victim of illegal alien crime, it ISN’T happening to others?
Please don’t tell me that’s what you’re REALLY trying to say!
Google Jamiel Shaw, and Bologna family San Francisco! Do it now please!
Crito Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I’ve never been terrorized by al-Qaeda either. So I guess my point is the only criminals I’ve ever been terrorized by wore badges and had the authority to get away with crime, legally and without elevating any statistics.
OBAMA'S CRACK PIPE Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
2 TACO’S PLEASE.
Griz Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
So, have you ever had to clean up an illegal alien’s urine out of the floor of a bar because he’s too good and too drunk to wait for a turn in the men’s room? I have. Don’t tell me they’re all honest, hard working and harmless, they all are decidedly NOT!
Michael Savage fan Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
99% of crito’s comments go unread!
Crito Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
1% of me gives a sh…
Griz Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
And 99% of you …
July 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
If one throws up a race card, they are actually preventing the discussion of issues that effect everyone. Race cards do not resolve anything. They are used as a verbal and written warfare. They shut down all possibilities of discovering solutions meant for all.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
EXACTLY!! This is just exactly what yellowcrack below just did with “brown people”, the same as jeff just did above!
It’s a far-left liberal tactic, which is ALWAYS brought out and pushed, whenever these traitors have nothing left to argue.
It’s kind of like insults people throw when they lose an argument. Shameful indeed!
Mr. Motto Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:13 am
IAKA, you are one ignorant little fuck who doesn’t know what the hell you are talking about. Stop using other races or the liberals as scapegoats and start blaming the fucking government and their masters the banks, wall street and the corporations, you douche bag!
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am
How am I ignorant. I speak of what I deal with on a weekly basis, stupid, first-hand experience with these criminals. They constantly break into vehicles and homes, causing hundreds of dollars in damage just to get their dirty hands on a $20 radio.
I never said anything about “race” fool! You’ve just proven, that you ARE an ignorant liberal, who doesn’t mind being a traitor to your fellow American citizens. Read the crime stats posted above, then come up with a REAL argument!
But you won’t, because you have NONE! Nope folks! No rebuttal at all! I know the corporate elite are to blame for allowing them in, but the corporate elite ARE NOT to blame for the criminal decisions illegal aliens make when they get here dumbass!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!! Public school did YOU SIR, YES YOU, NO FAVORS!!
FreedomLover Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
What we really need is a meritocracy. Look it up.
But we’re not going to get it.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
they have us blaming each other rather than holding “them” accountable. damn it must be nice to be them. this isn’t about race its about the criminals at the top running the whole charade and yet you guys focus on the poor brown people. your so predictable.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Haha! There you go again, with “brown people”. YOU sir are the racist!!
Stop with that tactic dude! I told you last time, it’s WELL WORN OUT!! Not working anymore, yellowcrack!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!!
Mr. Motto Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:10 am
Very good point yellowhak1! The goal is to have us fight amongst each other, whether it’s fighting among political parties or fighting among the different races. We fall for it and play right into Big Brothers hands and let them off scott free from the blame for our fucked up country. It’s not the blacks, whites, reds, browns or yellow skinned peoples fault it is our horseshit goivernments fault and the laws they pass or the laws they don’t enforce and the fact that none of them uphold their oaths of office anymore.
Griz Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am
No, we focus on the criminals at the top too. As I’ve said before, the government isn’t acting legally in anyone’s best interest anymore. I agree that a lot of laws are bogus, but the Constitution itself sets out principles that are supposed to guide the Federal government. One of those is that it is their responsibility to secure our borders, they’re not doing that. As far as focusing on brown people, I don’t care if they’re purple with a greenish cast around the chin, if they are the perpetrators causing the problems our government was supposed to prevent, there are two sets of criminals. One is the government and the other is the people that illegally enter the U.S., regardless of race, creed, religion, political affiliation, sexual or gender orientation or whether or not they like friggin’ Cocoa Puffs for breakfast! All this labeling and grouping people and comparing them to each other is the work of another group of criminals, the NWO Elites. They are the ones that love pointing at the differences that may be used to divide us rather than dealing with actual issues caused by real actions of any one person or group of people. We must acknowledge that rules and laws are needed, but the true test of fairness is in their application across all those under them. That application must always take into account the rights of the people and the provable actions of the people through evidence and circumvent neither. *RANT OFF*
July 26th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
My final thoughts.. this ‘health’ care bill is insanity. Not only are we forced to pay for illegal aliens, we MUST purchase insurance for ourselves, or pay $1000+ fines every year. Btw, what happens when you have NO income, and no way to pay their fine? Jail time? Looks like more Americans will go to prison for the crime of being poor.. maybe I could find a decent paying job if illegal aliens weren’t taking them for below minimum wage, of course the people that hire them are just as guilty. Illegals have more rights in this country than we do. Pathetic.
Force Winds Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
You are right on spot on that one Liberty. Sucks to be a citizen…don’t it?
Libre de phase. Mourez librement Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Racism in this case is a stereotype. Its not the fact that our skin is white that makes us better. Its the fact that millions of European immigrants come to America Legally and flourish. Whites are the more hard working civilized people at this point. Aliens could do the same as my grandparents, come here legally and do well, but they would rather take the easy way out and come illegally. They are doing nothing but taking jobs away from the hard working legal citizens because they are willing to work for nearly nothing. They are reaping the benefits that they don’t legally deserve. They get scholarships for being the minority and get other benefits just for that fact. The only people that don’t get benefits these days are the very people who built this country, the white middle class people. Aliens are ruining our economy, and that’s fact
July 26th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
http://www.usillegalaliens.com.....mmary.html
July 26th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
So all I have to do to get free medical care is give up my citizenship? No taxes AND free healthcare. WHOOOOOOOOOPIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
2 words to solve the illegal immigration problem entirely:
Land mines.
‘Nuff said. Debate closed.
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July 26th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Now you tell me if this is fair. There are non english speaking hispanic employees at frickin McDonalds who earn more than an english speaking citizen who’s been employed there for 5 years or more than the non english speaking one.
What a country! We are so screwed and the elites are throwing this shit in our face every day!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:41 am
oh and you think that by knowing english you should automatically get paid more???,
the reason why they pay them more is beacuse they work their ass off – they earned that money, unlike the other dude who slacks off and complains about how much he makes – thats what you dont see
This is Relevant to This Story Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Of course knowing English warrants higher pay!
You really ARE a traitor!
Please die today! Pick up a hatchet and swing it at your head, and do it RIGHT NOW!
This is Relevant to This Story Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
“work their ass off”. Please! Americans work harder, and do BETTER work, especially in the construction industry. Americans demand higher wages, and are deserving of them.
“work their ass off”. What do you expect when you produce 5 to 6 more mouths to feed?
Your lack of common sense is absolutely amazing. I suspected there were people THIS stupid in this world, but now the PROOF is EVER SO CLEAR!
Now, take my advice from my first reply to your dimwitted thoughts, and SWING THAT HATCHET AT YOUR HEAD!!
DO IT NOW!!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
im not saying that every white american slacks off dipshit, but i dont see the immigrants complain to much about how much they make – they jus work period.
its not that i dont have common sense, its that you dislike hispanic/latino people and strongly disaprove on immigration – its almost funny throughout the history of this nation americans have opposed immigration with the same excuse – they take our jobs away from us – this country was built on the backs of immigrants from all races –
your jus a byist hypocrite like the rest of americans, and you call me a traitor – traitor because i dont agree with your peoples views.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Could you please address the illegal alien crimes now?? Huh dude? For once, please stop avoiding what we’re discussing?
Obviously, you have no rebuttal to the facts, as evidenced in the stats above! That’s what I thought, bitch!
The difference is, that those European immigrants came here, busted their asses, assimilated and learned English, with a burning desire to become American citizens, and thus flourished!
They weren’t killing people in record numbers by driving drunk, raping children, murdering black teens, because they’re black and no other reason, just to name a few of the myriad of crimes illegal aliens are committing against Americans of ALL RACES!
There you go again, with your queer, liberal tactic of attempting to turn this into a race issue, stupid. It’s old dude! Well worn out, just like your decaying brain!
You are a traitor, you little bitch! And, YOU DON’T have common sense. That’s evident! I’m in a border state, and know what I’m talking about, from firsthand experience you little twit!
Don’t worry though, because it’s coming to you too, dumbass! Stop being ignorant of the destruction these invaders are causing to Americans, simply because it hasn’t YET happened to you! You’re a sidestepper and diverter. YOU STILL HAVEN’T ANSWERED THE ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIME ISSUE! Everyone reading this sees clearly who you are! Google Jamiel Shaw, and Bologna Family San Francisco. Once you learn about them, and FINALLY address these crimes, ONLY THEN will I reply to ANY of your ridiculous posts. Just go kill yourself! You don’t deserve to be an American!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!!
July 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I had to sell my “all paid for house” to pay all my bills that my insurance did not cover. It was hundreds of thousands. I had paid $600.00 a month for years and had medical insurance most all my life. To know that illegal aliens get care for free is disgusting. Now the onslaught will begin and we will end up supporting the world and never be able to get out of debt. It is so stupid. Anyone doing the math?
July 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I hope Obama lets Iran get nukes. That would really piss off Alex Jones and his zionist fu*k buddies.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
“must debate”? They don’t debate anything. They RAHM it through.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Why don’t we all drop our health care and let the government pick it up? It would have saved me my home!
Mr. Motto Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Better yet why not give us all the same government ran health care system that the politicians enjoy OR make the politicians have the same expensive health care we all have now.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
The number of people America imprisons is a crime against humanity.
http://www.lawfuel.com/show-ar.....D=83892627
“The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.”
“China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second..”
saywhat Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
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Prisions are a good business every since they went private. I wonder who is the main corporate that controls them? Illigals in prision is a good business to somebody… probably with high connections to congress or government.
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Agent Orange Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Prisons used to be a non-profit business. But now prisons are big business. A company called the Corrections Corporation of America is on the New York Stock Exchange, which is convenient since that’s where all the real crime is happening anyway. The CCA and similar corporations actually lobby Congress for stiffer sentencing laws so they can lock more people up and make more money. That’s why America has the world;s largest prison population, because actually rehabilitating people would have a negative impact on the bottom line.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
This is getting insane! Sheriff Arpaio just did a sweep here in AZ and had to release some illegals because…..they hadn’t committed any “other” crime. Seems being here illegally is OK as long as they don’t do anything else and now, not that we’re not already, going to make a provision in law to give them medical care. Amazing!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/142122
Crito Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Arpaio is Hitler reincarnated. He’s the one who should be in jail.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Nope! Wrong again, stupid!
If by arresting illegal aliens for criminally entering this country, saves 1 American life, then Arpaio is A HERO!!! YOU HEAR ME BOY!!??
A HERO!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:56 am
wait!!!
What about all the mexican police, military, politicians, journalists and innocent civilians that are killed every year in the mexican drug war thanks to american weapons and munitions supplied to the drug cartels from american gun stores??
This is Relevant to This Story Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
WHAT??!!
You ARE a fool! Those statistics have thoroughly been debunked! 90% of the weapons that ARE TRACED!!!….. YES TRACED!! are shown to come from the U.S. you idiot. Only 17% of the TOTAL number of weapons used in Mexican gun crimes ARE actually traceable.
They spun those numbers, so traitors like YOU could unknowingly keep up the propaganda against the 2nd ammendment.
They’re only traceable from serial numbers. Guess what? All of the other weapons come from countries in South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Europe, which do not require serial numbers.
Now, take 90% of 17%. Those are the real numbers.
HOWEVER,!! THAT’S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE IN THIS DISCUSSION!! What a poor attempt to avoid and divert. We’re not talking about Mexican drug war killings dummy!
We’re talking about AMERICAN deaths by illegal alien invaders, from murder and intoxication manslaughter (drunk driving for you, since you’re such a moron). What the hell does Mexican drug killings have to do with illegal aliens murdering Americans??
SEE FOLKS?? THIS IS WHAT LIBERAL TRAITORS DO, SHIFTING AND DIVERTING, WHEN THEY HAVE NO MORE ARGUMENT, AND HAVE FACED DEFEAT!!
Boomer Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
I have some issues with Sheriff Joe but… I have bigger issues with the government saying being in the US illegally is OK.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Every time there is a post that has to do with the border, “illegal’s are killing Americans” gets his saved file from his computer and cut/paste the statistics in the post BUT keeps quiet knowing that the data is bias and statistical data can graph in any direction you want according to how the question asked. Also fails to mention the fact that non-white race citizens get stop by cops 3 times more than white-race counterparts. So if your statistics show 75% more convictions for non-white citizens, it may very well be because white-race cops are also bias..
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He proposed a brilliant solution of the border fence, in total disregard of the total perimeter and cost. He perhaps still do not understand that the country is broke and His idea of a tight sealed fence is just another fantasy. Maybe He work for the contractor that won the job for the construction of the fence, with no bidding process but, just remember that it will also serve the purpose to keep you in. Keeps a close look at the FEMA military exercises starting 7/27/2009.
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Please add to your statistics that you cannot afford a $5.00 tomato or a $10 lettuce for your $1.00 burger, nor the counties can afford to lose the sales tax generated by illegal’s.. Also add that Mexico imports from the USA 80% of its agricultural products and that NAFTA killed Mexico’s small businesses that could not compete with the big USA corporations.
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Don’t mind Mexicans. Learn Chinese; the language of your masters.
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Ok.. I am ready for your small 4 to 6 character words if you cannot articulate a full sentence.
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kaseth Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Perhaps you should work on your spelling, punctuation and grammar before you call someone out on their vocabulary skills.
ConectingTheDots Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Yes, let me work on it… in the mean time, forget about the whole idea in my comment.
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Merrie Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Wong Wing Wong, Bing Bong, Ding Dong! LOL MCB
This is Relevant to This Story Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
You ever considered that non-whites commit more crimes than whites?? HUH, SMART GUY?
Sorry to break it to you, but it’s the reality. However, we’re not talking about race for the THOUSANDTH TIME!!
We’re talking about 3rd world, illegal alien, criminal invaders, coming here to exploit the system, kill Americans of ALL RACES, YES EVEN HISPANICS, and disrespect this nation and its citizens in all other ways imaginable.
Do you need someone to post all the other INDEPENDENT studies and statistics showing SIMILAR, TO EQUAL RESULTS?? Face it dude! You’re wrong, and if you support the illegal alien invasion, then you support the murder, rape, robbery, and identity theft of your fellow Americans, and YOU SIR ARE A TRAITOR!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
my friend i will be honest with you, i used to have a friend whom whould come over and we would chat and so on, until one day i asked him what he does for a living – do you have any idea what he told me?, he said well i aint got a real job, i sell guns and ammunition south of the border, i didnt know what to say because i felt like he was somewhat joking around or if he did sell guns he probably sold a pistol and a rifle and that was it.
Until one day he came to my house in his SUV, he called me over, he then opened the back, he had sumtin covered with carpets, when he took the carpets out he had a couple chinese made AK-47’s, a tech 9, and he had a couple of Berretta’s, and revolvers.
i love guns so its not like i was scared, but i was very surprised this man was a guns dealer.
So at that point i asked him more about what he did and about the guns, he told me that he had felony charges for illegal weapons, and drug charges.
I asked him where he got the guns – because the had automatic machine guns which are illegal here in California, he told me he bought them from a crazy ex-army guy, he said he could get his hands on practically anything AK’s, M-16’s, shotguns, rifles, high powered rifles, hanguns, revolvers and even HAND GRENADES – no lie, he had sold all these weapons in mexico before and he said money flourishes in this buisness,
I noticed that the AK’s had the SERIAL NUMBERS SCRAPED OFF some didn’t even have serial numbers, i asked if he did it – he said yea, because in case he sold the gun in mexico and it was used in a crime or taken by police they couldn’t be traced to the U.S.
I eventually stopped talking to him and have no idea where he is, there goes to show you never know exactly whats goin on.
ConectingTheDots Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
“You ever considered that non-whites commit more crimes than whites?? HUH, SMART GUY?”…. What?? Are you serious?? Let me see…. I do not recall any non-whites in the Bank bailout scandals… and talk about crimes there.. Just a little exercise for your intellectual spirit.. How many illegal aliens can the USA FULLY support (not working, all benefits, insured, hospitals, the works…everything) with the TARP money??
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Forget about the illegal’s… learn Chinese which is the language of your new masters..
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I get a kick out of the so called citizens that just a two generations ago their parents or grandparents came to this country in the very same circumstances that the illegal’s do it now… boy.. Talk about short memory and forgetting where you are coming from…
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Trigger Happy Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:57 am
thank you for speaking the cold truth,
too many people in this country haven’t changed their byist ways.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
We’re talking about violent crimes, dumbass!
Read, before spouting off stupid!!
85% of the U.S. prison population is made up of non-white races.
Even if we were talking about white collar crimes, the prison population speaks for itself!
Stupid you are my son!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:38 am
If we waited on Mexicans and Blacks to ivent electricity and the light bulb we would all be sitting in the dark.
saywhat Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Let me suggest you, for a cure of that strong ignorance you seem to have, some videos in youtube about the Aztecs and Mayans, in which you will see that they were not waiting for anygenious to show up.
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Ignorance is worse than the H1N1 flu… please do something about it before it gets you killed.
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Worse thing that happens to this continent was to be “discovered” by uncivilized Europeans.
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July 27th, 2009 at 1:22 am
Yeah and that Rick Sanchez @ CNN really is a little bitch…http://linkthe.com/2009/07/26/cnns-resident-whiner-rick-sanchez/ But I hope they can clean up teh corruption at ICE.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:22 am
In the second to the last paragraph there are some interesting numbers.
It is stated that 6540 hospital visits cost the Parkland system $7 million dollars. These figures then reveal that the average treatment cost per patient is about $1,070.
The last emergency room visit I personally made came along with a bill of over $10,000 at a time when I did not have medical insurance, as is the case at present. This particular treatment did not involve any surgery, broken bones, or XRays.
Does this mean that persons that have some to pay, although they are uninsured, are charged an average of ten times as much as the average treatment costs? This would not surprise me at all if it were true.
The health care system is a disgrace.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:28 am
personally I say fuckem if you want a work visa to ireland you have to get insurance and when you get work visas to france or any of the union you pay your taxes then get health care why support the illegals. I say if they want it they pay for it. So fuckem all the other legals have to go through the bullshit of and paper work and these people just sneak over and rape the system for housing food stamps and shit a baby or 2 out and bam we pay for it. straight fuck em I dont want to pay for them especailly when they just shit all over the system and get fake identification cuz they wont learn english or just fill out the paper work.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Yall, looks like the NLE09 Exercise has began! Check it out!
http://www.dlc3marketing.com/nle09/
July 27th, 2009 at 2:51 am
I agree illegal immigration is a serious issue. However, I don’t agree with building giant walls around our country… Walls work both ways you know. It’s the system that creates an environment for poor Mexicans to flee to. I’m sure that many of us on this thread would run to the US if we were poor, uneducated Mexicans and we thought it was the only chance to have a better life. Also, Mexicans are taught in their schools that the US stole land from them and that we’re the reason they’re so poor, so it doesn’t surprise me that some of them feel like we owe them something. The bottom line is our own government is to blame for the problem, and it’s a deliberate balkanization of our homeland… and free health care to illegals is a perfect example. They let slaves come to level they playing field, the way they want it!
Mr. Motto Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 3:02 am
Chris, you are right about Walls and you are right about saying our government is to blame for our health care system. They’ve allowed the health care industry and the pharmaceutical companies to rape we the people for decades now. If the democrats crumble on a public option they are done for, which means the facist. theocratic, corporatist republicans will get back into power.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
No he’s not right! That wall would prevent more murders by illegal aliens. How can you NOT understand that?
True, both govts. of the U.S. and Mexico are to blame, along with greedy corporations hiring them, or exploiting them at the expense of the American people. I agree!
However, murders and child rape, committed by illegal aliens, along with intoxication manslaughter by drunk illegals, happening at record numbers across the U.S. are NOT the fault of greedy corporations or govts.
If you support the illegal alien invasion, then you ALSO support the murder and rape of Americans of ALL RACES, because YES, in case you didn’t know, they do it to Hispanics as well!
THIS IS MY ONLY BEEF WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS AS I’VE STATED BEFORE, (the crimes they commit against Americans) Geez, how many times do I have to repeat myself to you traitors? I guess many, MANY times, until it happens to YOU!
When it DOES, AND IT WILL, happen to you, it seems as if ONLY THEN!! … will you understand!
NOW, BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!! If they want a better life, then they need to STORM THEIR GOVT. BUILDINGS AND TAKE BACK THEIR COUNTRY!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 1:04 am
All the illegals are doing is taking back the lands that the U.S army took from them forcefully.
You can never erase the history in the memory of the mexican people.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
No “mexican” people alive today had anything taken from them.
That’s the same argument as blacks who attack whites, because they’re white, and use the excuse, “we’re just doing to them what they did to us 200 years ago!”
No blacks alive today were slaves, and none of their parents were slaves.
Get a grip, stupid! Then deport yourself! I have Blackfoot Native American blood in my family, so don’t talk shit! I know what I say, and have a RIGHT to say it, bitch!
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Phuck you and the immigrant fear bullshit! It is high time we get health care reform. Affordable health care with a public option. The republicans and the blue dog democrats are using the same fear tactics used in the 30’s by republicans on social security and on medicare and Medicaid. They are just trying to protect the for profit private health care industry! Wake up people. Any pundit who is against a public option is probably being payed off by the health care industry or the pharmaceutical companies.
Crito Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Legal L1 and H1B workers are taking all the good high-paying jobs and all these people can bitch about is some wetback who picks their vegetables for $1/hr.
I don’t care what’s legal or illegal anymore. Right is right and wrong is wrong and you’re all on the wrong side.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Nobody’s bitching about “wetbacks” picking vegetables. Nope, we’re bitching about “wetbacks” murdering, raping, child molesting, stealing identities, raising farm animals in the city, playing loud annoying, circus-style, tejano music at 3 in the morning, disrespecting our communities by trashing them with beer bottles and torn up sofas, among other destructive behaviors like draining radiator fluid and motor oil onto the ground asshole!
Wouldn’t YOU bitch about that too? Hell, you’re probably doing it to! Kill yourself now!
Trigger Happy Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:06 am
Now i know that you are motivated to make comments regarding this subject through racsim and dislike of the hispanic/latino people.
no matter what you type after i have discovered your true intentions of why you say what say with so much passion and dislike of immigrants.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Wrong again fool! I’m motivated by the crimes I’ve witnessed and experienced FIRSTHAND by illegal aliens. ILLEGAL ALIENS, stupid, NOT “HISPANIC/LATINO” people.
Nice try though! Failed again! Not all “hispanic/latinos” play loud, annoying, tejano music, and many of my “hispanic/latino” friends absolutely HATE that circus crap, as well as support protecting our borders! Not all “hispanic/latino” people trash out their homes and neighborhoods with beer bottles and sofas!
Many of my “hispanic/latino” buddies despise illegal aliens, because of their behavior and disrespect of this country and its citizens.
HAHA! You had to seal the deal with your moronic accusations with your last line, to try and convince other readers that you’ve confirmed the person I am! HAHA!
Basic psychology dummy! You know you’re wrong, and that’s the evidence! Only people who have lost, and LOST MISERABLY an argument, have to resort to that tactic! “true intentions” ……. “no matter what you type after”… SEE FOLKS??
Boomer Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Those guys in the good high paying jobs pay taxes, carry insurance on themselves and their cars and don’t need the taxpayers to subsidize them. Thats the big difference between legal and illegal. The government is robbing the taxpayers because the taxpayers are subsidizing (the employers are getting a free ride) the health care of the illegals. I’m not saying don’t change it, all I am saying is the way it is now is a ripoff for the taxpayers, a free ride for the people who employ the illegals and a disservice to the illegals because they are pretty much slave labor.
Chips Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:40 am
The healthcare industry, the pharmaceutical companies, and all their corporate friends, ARE the government. There’s the rock, there’s the hard place, and there’s us.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:53 am
Fuck all illegal aliens on welfare and living off of my hard-working back. FUCK YOU ALL!!!
Crito Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:12 am
Fuck all the lazy guys in suits exploiting cheap labor, both legal and illegal.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Please address the illegal aliens who are raping children, killing people on our roads from drunk driving, stealing identities, and trashing out our communities!
YOU KEEP AVOIDING ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMES! See Folks??
They have NO ARGUMENT to the illegal alien criminal activity, which is why they constantly avoid it!
You Lose!
July 27th, 2009 at 5:48 am
WE ARE ALL ILLEGAL ALLEINS TO THE ONES WHO ARE HERE
AND THE ONES WHO HAVE YET TO COME …………..
WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER TO MAKE THE STAND
THEY ARE TRAINING US TO HATE EACH OTHER SO
THE ONES TO COME WILL HAVE AN EASY TIME TAKEING OVER
Highlanderess Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Have to agree with you in the aspect that the NWO wants us to hate each other. That way the riots can begin.
However, when a tax paying natural born citizen can’t get the help they need and illegals are here getting anything and more with the help of our so called government, I have a big problem with that.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Off subject here but please pray for the loved ones of boxer Vernon Forrest who was killed in Atlanta in an attempted car jacking.
Vernon was one of the most gracious and charitable boxers, deeply respected and loved by many.
Heaven has another precious soul.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:28 am
All countries have to have laws. Why allow people from only one country to come it. It is not fair. USA will soon find out that you can’t allow everyone to come to the USA. Calif is bankrupt. It is the sneak preview of what is to come.
You have to ask yourself the question – why do the globalist want this?
http://www.hopevideo.com/david_asscherick.htm
Solutions Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Susan, I posted a very polite and short informative post to you on this subject, but, as we can all see, it got censored AGAIN AND AS ALWAYS, WHENEVER A POINT IS BEING MADE.
The illegal immigration problem is a manicured mind control tool of the NWO & CFR in cahoots with our leaders. It’s referred to by social engineers as the process of “collision annihilation” where socail values are forced to collide for the sake of annihilation to make way for total reconstruction.
It is a deliberate attack and sabotage of this country and it is a much need mind control tool to justify a National ID Card and the creation of a National Vaccine Registry, as they feed us all the pandemic hype.
The massive debt was also engineered to divide and conquer the generations even further and is a “multiplier social weapon” to make America’s youth hate the older generation and our values because of the tremendous burdon of dept that has been placed upon their backs. This will force a new one world currency using divide and conquer – collision annihilation tactics.
That is, the odeous machine of the NWO is fixing to stomp us all into the ground with iron hoofs, make no mistake, they ain’t gonna lose, as the devel’s agent has spoken.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Do you agree with the numbers? http://video.google.com/videop.....7128068265
July 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Wheel his brain dead ass out to the parking lot and leave him. He has no relatives here anyway and he himself shouldn’t be here. This is a ridiculous debate. Would Mexico have shipped an American who cost them so much back? Of course they would. Stop treating illegal aliens or we will all claim “no habla ingles” and you can treat us all for free.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Our national chain boxstore commiessaries are kept open through corporate welfare, not our patronage.
Technically, paper and placeholders can be “borrowed” indefinitely, to fill the warehouses with tacky merchandise, and to fill the bellies of menial laborers with nasty rations.
This service economy was a prototype for the new volunteerism, in which you’re expected to work for less than subsistence wages, and the collective is put upon to feed, clothe, transport, house, and medicate you.
I have posted, ad nauseum, that Mexicans, who participate, will be documented. Americans, who do not participate, will be undocumented.
The undocumented (and lazy) will be considered useless eaters of state property.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
MEH-HEE-KO needs to reimburse the US taxpayers for all the previous forms of free care, then we’ll start over from stratch. Comprehenda?
4w578i Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Although I have no direct knowledge of this, it’s been alleged that America bribed or destabilized all of it’s colonies, abroad, by undercutting foreign labor with US aid and US subsidies.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Talking to me asshole? I have BLACKFOOT NATIVE AMERICAN BLOOD, so deport YOURSELF NOW!!
You may find a 7.62 round in YOUR skull bitch!
blackfoot Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I believe that the only Blackfoot blood you have is in your hands by having killed one in cold blood; probably a woman or a child.
By your comments, I can tell you only know Native Americans by your prejudge self and on TV.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
it won’t be long before there are no more illegals. (if there are any now).
July 28th, 2009 at 8:05 am
….Bottom Line : race Should NOT be the focal Point of Discussion!!! This issue truly revolves on around One Central Fact: The very presence of these individuals is a VIOLATION OF NATIONAL LAW!! It really is staggering that so many of the posters here seem to wish to steer the discourse towards the Color of the Criminals. NOT APPLICABLE!!! Bloody Shame that NorthCom plans to round up and inter American Citizens, instead of these INVADERS!!! God Help The American people!!!!~~~
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Absolutely!! This liberal, open borders, amnesty advocating tactic of playing the race card, is ALWAYS the last resort for these traitors.
I know plenty of Hispanic people who oppose this invasion, but you’ll never hear ANY of this recognition from these fools.
They REALLY want to equate ALL Hispanic people to illegal aliens! Unbelievable! I guarantee you, the day these idiots become a victim of illegal alien crime, or someone they know or love does, THEY TOO will change their tune, regarding this crisis!
It evidently just hasn’t YET happened to them, but IT WILL! Yes, it absolutely will. So go ahead you traitors, and keep it up. You’re gonna get what you’ve asked for. We’re protecting YOUR lives by opposing amnesty.
MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS = HIGHER PROBABILITY OF YOU, YES YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW BEING KILLED! Don’t you understand that?
July 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
You have no idea what the New World Order News is that’s coming…
http://www.alientrend.com
July 29th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Not being a “hater” of Mexicans, let’s look at the facts…There are too many illegal-immigrants here who sadly also DEMAND services all the time…I am sorry to say that the USA is no longer the USA anymore…And time will show this as our taxes go up and medical-expenses go up more and more and more… Government needs to change their “way of thinking”, or we are done!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
You have no idea what the New World Order Secret is that’s coming…
http://www.alientrend.com
July 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Also, I forgot to mention that immigrants from other countries (who have to get on a plane and fly over a body of water) don’t have a problem with filling out paper-work to become a citizen–how come Mexicans can’t do that?
July 30th, 2009 at 9:18 am
When our forefathers came to this country yes they were also immigrants. The difference is that they paid some sort of taxes, payed for medical treatment and they weren’t sending their money back to where they came from so that one day they could go back there and have a payed for farm with all the amenities. All the money they invested went back into the very same system that supported their liberties. That’s not what the illegals do here. They send most of their money to Mexico and go back after everything is bought and paid for. In the mean time they suckle off the teet of the American system and do nothing to support the very liberties they are taking advantage of.
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Yes! Correct! Not to mention the horrendous crimes they commit against Americans of ALL RACES in this country
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!
July 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am
We do not want to pay for healthcare for illegals. Period. The end.
July 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
http://www.scribd.com/full/170.....ip1gi3rqgo
read this
make copies
tell every1 u know to make copies and file charges at your district courts and police stations