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HIV-AIDS was created to target gay men for Eugenics experiment, suggests U.S. doctor
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Alan Cantwell, M.D. / The Canadian | March 30, 2008
There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs. The epidemic was caused by the “introduction” of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi’s sarcoma, widely known as the “gay cancer” of AIDS. The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of “the gay plague”
The widely accepted theory is that HIV/AIDS originated in a monkey or chimpanzee virus that “jumped species” in Africa. However, it is clear that the first AIDS cases were recorded in gay men in Manhattan in 1979, a few years before the epidemic was first noticed in Africa in 1982. It is now claimed that the human herpes-8 virus (also called the KS virus), discovered in 1994, also originated when a primate herpes virus jumped species in Africa. How two African species-jumping viruses ended up exclusively in gay men in Manhattan beginning in the late 1970s has never been satisfactorily explained.
Researchers who claim AIDS is a man-made disease believe it is much more likely that these two primate viruses were introduced and spread during the government’s recruitment of thousands of male homosexuals beginning in 1974.
Large numbers of gay men in Manhattan donated blood for the experimental hepatitis B vaccine trial, which took place at the New York Blood Center in Manhattan in 1978. Extensive evidence supporting the man-made theory of AIDS is easily found on the Internet by Googling: man-made origin of AIDS; and in my two books, “AIDS and the Doctors of Death” and “Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot.”
Government interest in “gay health” before the AIDS epidemic
Beginning in the mid-1970s, government scientists became interested in the health of gay men, particularly in the realm of sexually-transmitted diseases, and specifically in the sexual transmission of the hepatitis B virus. The early 1970s was a time when large numbers of gays come out of the closet and identified themselves as homosexuals at government-sponsored health clinics. Organizations such as the Gay Men’s Health Project were formed at this time. Promiscuous gays were avidly sought as volunteers to test the efficacy of a newly-developed hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
By 1977 over 13,000 Manhattan gays were screened to secure the final 1083 men who would serve as guinea pigs to test the hepatitis B vaccine. The vaccine was manufactured from the combined plasma of 30 highly selected gay men who carried the hepatitis B virus in their blood. Developed over a period of 65 weeks during 1977-1978 and tested for six months in chimpanzees (the primate in which HIV is thought to have originated), the first group of gay men were inoculated at the New York Blood Center in November 1978.
That same year a final cohort of 6875 homosexual men at the San Francisco City Clinic was assembled to study hepatitis B virus sexual transmission in that city. By the end of the decade gays in clinics in Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, and St. Louis, also came under surveillance by the Centers for Disease Control. An additional 1402 volunteers were finally selected to participate in similar vaccine experiments in those cities beginning in March 1980.
Before 1978 there was no stored blood anywhere in the U.S. that tested positive for HIV or the KS virus. There were no cases of AIDS and no cases of “gay cancer” in young men.
The first cases of AIDS appeared shortly after the experiment began in Manhattan. In June 1981 the epidemic became official and was quickly labelled the “gay related immune deficiency syndrome”, later known as AIDS.
The gay community was the most hated minority in America. After the experiments ended, the gay community was decimated by the “gay plague.” In the first years of AIDS, the epidemic was largely ignored by the government (see Randy Shilt’s best-seller, And the Band Played On) and the disease was blamed on gay anal sex, drugs, and promiscuity. Gays were immediately labelled “high risk.”
In my view, what made gay men “high risk” was the fact that they were the exclusive volunteers for government medical experiments that undoubtedly put them at “high risk.” The evidence for this conclusion is outlined in this report. Further evidence can be obtained from abstracts of scientific reports available on the Internet at the PubMed website of the National Library of Medicine.
The gay hepatitis B experiments (1978-1981)
The experimental hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays was unlike any other vaccine previously made. As stated, it was developed in chimpanzees and manufactured in a year-long process of sterilization and purification of the pooled blood of 30 gay men who were hepatitis B virus carriers.
The final group of 1083 selected for the first experiment at the Blood Center were inoculated from November 1978 until October 1979. At one point, there was great concern that the vaccine might be contaminated. According to June Goodfield’s Quest for the Killers, p 86, “This was no theoretical fear, contamination having been suspected in one batch made by the National Institutes of Health, though never in Merck’s.” Each gay man was given three inoculations of the vaccine over a period of three months. The vaccine proved successful with 96% of the men developing protective antibodies against the hepatitis B virus.
It has been assumed by some that these men might have been already immunosuppressed due to promiscuity and venereal disease. Although the young men in the study were indeed “promiscuous” (this was a requirement for entrance into the study), they were in excellent health. Despite many previous sexual partners, these volunteers had never been infected with the hepatitis B virus, which was a requirement for participation in the experiment. Furthermore, the 96% success rate would not have been accomplished if the men were immunosuppressed, because such people often do not respond to the vaccine.
When Robert Gallo’s blood test for HIV became available in the mid-1980s, the New York Blood Center’s stored gay blood specimens were re-examined. Most astonishing is the fact that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in Manhattan were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (one year before the AIDS epidemic became “official” in 1981). This signifies that Manhattan gays in 1980 had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. In addition, we now know that one out of five gay men (20%) tested positive for the new KS herpes-8 virus in 1982 when stored blood samples from an AIDS trial in New York City were re-examined by epidemiologists at the NCI in 1999.
Never mentioned by AIDS historians is the fact that the New York Blood Center established a chimp virus laboratory for viral vaccine research in West Africa in 1974. One of the purposes of VILAB II, in Robertsfield, Liberia, was to develop the hepatitis B vaccine in chimps. The lab also prides itself by releasing “rehabilitated” (but virus-infected) chimps back into the wild, perhaps accounting for some of the ancestors of HIV and the KS virus found in the jungle by some government researchers. The Virus Cancer Program and the birth of AIDS,
In the decade before AIDS the Virus Cancer Program (1968-1980), sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, attempted to prove that viruses caused human cancer. Ultimately the Program was unsuccessful in providing proof, yet it succeeded in building up the field of animal retrovirology, which led to a more complete understanding of how cancer-causing and immunosuppressive viruses in animals might cause disease in humans. The VCP was also the birthplace of genetic engineering, molecular biology, and the human genome project. As the VCP was winding down in the late 1970s, the gay experiments began in New York City.
The introduction of HIV and the KS herpes virus into gay men during this period (along with some “novel” and now-patented mycoplasmas discovered at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology) miraculously revived the career of Robert Gallo and made him the most famous virologist in the world. And, of course, turned the “failure” of the VCP into a triumph by providing proof that these primate-derived viruses could cause disease in humans.
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The fear of the hepatitis B vaccine
When AIDS began there were scattered reports in the medical journals questioning whether the “gay plague” might have its origin in the hepatitis B experiments. It was well-known in medical circles that the vaccine was made from the pooled plasma of gay men – and there was fear that the AIDS agent might be in the vaccine. As a result, when the hepatitis B commercial vaccine became available in July 1982, many people refused to be injected with it.
The fear of the vaccine was readily admitted by the CDC. Nevertheless, in detailed reports the CDC concluded that the vaccine was safe. Although it was clear the hepatitis B vaccine eliminated all “known” viruses, this obviously did not apply to “unknown” viruses at the time, such as HIV and the KS virus.
After HIV was discovered in 1984 some of the vaccine was retested and declared free of HIV. Of course, it was impossible to say whether the vaccine contained the KS virus, because this virus was undiscovered until 1994. I am unaware of any subsequent testing of the vaccine for this herpes KS virus.
Possible contamination problems with the hepatitis vaccine was the impetus that led Luc Montagnier to hunt for a virus in the new gay disease in the autumn of 1982. He began testing batches of human plasma for “reverse transcriptase activity”, a biochemical sign indicating the possible presence of a retrovirus. (See page 46 of his book “Virus”). Montagnier’s research eventually led to the first discovery of the AIDS virus at the Pasteur Institute in Paris.
Although the CDC and the New York Blood Center claimed it was safe, many health professionals refused the hepatitis B vaccine. In 1985, only 23 out of 162 Rhode Island dentists agreed to take the vaccine because of concerns about AIDS. As late as 1990, 13 out of 14 black nurses at a university hospital refused to take the vaccine for the same reason.
The fate of the gay men in the gay experiments
The purpose of the gay experiments was to test a vaccine that could immunize people against hepatitis B virus. Infection with this virus could lead to severe liver disease and sometimes to liver cancer. Ironically, an unprecedented explosion of cancer took place in male homosexuals after the experiment. Reports of the fate of these men attest to the fact that participating in the government’s experiments was clearly injurious to the health of gay men.
Significantly, there were no reported blood specimens anywhere in the U.S. that were HIV-positive prior to the epidemic in 1979, except in the samples stored at the NYBC.
In a May 12, 1983, letter to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, Cladd Stevens (who supervised the NYBC experiment) wrote : “No cases haves occurred in the vaccine recipients from populations at low risk of AIDS, and there is no excess incidence in the high-risk population.” But this proved to be incorrect in later reports co-authored by Stevens.
In a 1985 report Cladd Stevens et al. claimed that seven men (out of 1083) were HIV-positive before they received either vaccine or placebo. If true, this indicates that HIV (and possibly the KS virus) was already present in the blood of Manhattan homosexuals and could have contaminated the pooled blood of gays whose plasma was used to make the vaccine in 1977.
As stated previously, a 1986 report in JAMA showed 20% of the men in the experiment were already infected with HIV by the end of 1981; and by 1984, more than 40% of the men were HIV-positive and doomed to death.
Another follow-up study of 8,906 gay men who donated blood for the hepatitis experiments in Manhattan was released in 1992. Statistical analysis of this group showed that mortality rates for men aged 25-44 began to rise in the 1980s, with AIDS the leading cause of death among young men in New York City. Remarkably, “The all-cause mortality in this cohort in 1988 was 24 times higher that the mortality rate in the cohort before the beginning of the AIDS epidemic.”
Was the hepatitis B vaccine contaminated with HIV and the KS virus?
Largely forgotten in AIDS history is the hepatitis B vaccine trial that also took place with 685 gay Dutch volunteers in Amsterdam between November 1980 and December 1981. Unlike the American vaccine makers, the Dutch researchers heated their experimental hepatitis B vaccine for added safety.
A 1986 report of the trial clearly states the AIDS virus “was not transmitted by the heat inactivated hepatitis B vaccine.” Of the 685 participants, five were already infected with HIV when the trial began. The researchers theorized that HIV entered the Dutch gay population at the end of the 1970s.
Another follow-up Dutch report of this trial in 1993 again suggests the efficacy of heating the vaccine for safety. (The experimental vaccine was not heated in the U.S. until after all the gay experiments were completed.) At the end of 1982, one year after the Dutch experiment had ended, only As stated previously, a 1986 report in JAMA showed 20% of the men in the experiment were already infected with HIV by the end of 1981; and by 1984, more than 40% of the men were HIV-positive and doomed to death.
7.5% of the Amsterdam men were infected. In contrast, 26.8% of the men in the New York experiment were HIV-positive; and a whopping 42.6% of the San Francisco men were HIV-positive. These statistics showing many men infected in the American trials in 1982 further prove that Cladd Stevens of the NYBC, and the CDC, were incorrect in declaring there was no excess incidence of AIDS in the “high-risk” gay male population.
The fate of all the men who participated in the hepatitis B vaccine trials in six U.S cities has never been revealed. However, it is likely from the statistics presented in JAMA in 1986 that many, if not most, of the men eventually died of AIDS. The actual number of AIDS deaths has never been revealed, nor have the individual medical records been studied. Attempts to secure this information have been rebuffed by the Blood Center, due to the “confidential” nature of the experiment.
“Gay Cancer” and the origin of AIDS
After the introduction of HIV and the KS virus into the U.S. gay male population in the late 1970s, the incidence of KS skyrocketed.
A 1989 report by Biggar found no cases of KS in young men in New York City during the years 1973-1976. But by 1985 the incidence of KS in “never-married men” in Manhattan had increased 1850 times. In San Francisco the rate of KS increased over 2000 times!
KS is now 20,000 times more common in AIDS patients than in the general population. A 1985 autopsy study by Lee Moskowitz of 52 AIDS cases (23 Haitians, 19 gays, 5 intravenous drug abusers, 2 hemophiliacs, and 3 persons at unknown risk) showed that 94% of AIDS patients from the various risk groups had internal KS. The CDC claims KS now occurs in only 15% of gay men (down from 30% at the beginning of the epidemic), but these statistics are not based on current autopsy studies
KS was never a sexually-transmitted disease before the introduction of HIV into gays. For a century after the first reported KS cases were discovered in Vienna in 1872, there was no evidence that KS could be transmitted from person-to-person.
By 1950, a more aggressive “endemic” form of KS was uncovered in African blacks. Still, there was no evidence the disease was transmissible or contagious. Suddenly with the introduction of HIV into the homosexual community, scientists began to view KS as a contagious “gay cancer” out of Africa.
The new KS virus is closely related to a monkey tumour virus, known as herpes virus saimiri, that was extensively studied by researchers in the VCP in the decade before the epidemic. Initially found only in KS from AIDS patients, the new KS virus has also been found in non-AIDS-related KS tumours and in other forms of cancer, such as lymphoma and multiple myeloma.
HIV is a cancer-causing virus. Infection with HIV (with or without the KS virus) has resulted in a noticeable increase in various forms of cancer. A 2005 study of over 4000 AIDS patients showed higher rates of melanoma, basal and squamous cell skin carcinomas, anal carcinoma, prostate carcinoma, and Hodgkin disease, when compared with age-adjusted rates for the general United States population.
The KS virus is now in the U.S. blood supply; and blood is not screened routinely for this virus. A 2001 study indicated that 15% of normal Texas blood donors showed evidence of KS virus infection in the blood. A 2002 study of healthy children (ages 4-13) in South Texas showed that 26% had antibodies to the KS virus in their blood.
Is AIDS a man-made disease?
How did these two viruses of primate origin get into the gay male population to cause AIDS and a contagious form of cancer? AIDS experts blame monkeys and chimps in the African jungle. My research indicates it is much more likely these viruses were introduced during government-sponsored hepatitis B experiments using gays as unsuspecting guinea pigs. Extensive documentation of past “secret medical experiments” by the government can be found on Google. A recent BBC news report (30 Nov 2004) uncovering unauthorized and dangerous HIV drug experiments on infants and children in New York City orphanages can be found by “Googling“: BBC + guinea pig kids.
Until proven otherwise, a “new” HIV retrovirus and a “new” KS virus could easily have been developed in a laboratory as part of the Virus Cancer Program. In the decade before AIDS it was common to transfer and adapt primate retroviruses and herpes viruses into human cells in genetic engineering experiments. Such viruses were deemed potential “candidate human viruses,” as clearly stated in the annual progress reports of the VCP. For further details on the relationship of the VCP to the introduction of HIV, Google: virus cancer program + AIDS.
The connection between the hepatitis experiments and the AIDS epidemic was quickly dismissed by government authorities two decades ago. However, it is clear from a review of the scientific literature that the “gay plague” began immediately after the government experiments; and the experiments permanently damaged the health of the gay community, and led to continuing spread of HIV into the “general population.”
Are we to believe that all this is merely a coincidence -and that AIDS in America resulted simply from two viruses jumping species in the African jungle? Or is the origin of HIV and AIDS -and the KS virus- related to secret medical research and covert human testing, as suggested here.
About the writer:
Dr. Alan Cantwell is an author of diverse books on the man-made origin of AIDS and the infectious origin of cancer, all published by Aries Rising Press, PO Box 29532, Los Angeles, CA 90029.
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March 31st, 2008 at 3:28 am
Great article!
March 31st, 2008 at 4:57 am
Hey Dansta, if you think you can do a better job than the dedicated hard-working staff at Infowars be my guest or shut up!
March 31st, 2008 at 5:10 am
They have previous on this sort of thing before some of you get holier than tho…
PRESIDENT CLINTON: The United States Government did something that was wrong, deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. We can end the silence. We can stop turning our heads away. We can look at you in the eye and finally say on behalf of the American people what the United States Government did was shameful, and I am sorry. (Applause)
An apology 65 years in the making.
CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: This apology was 65 years in coming. Now the U.S. government has officially said, “sorry” for its role in the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. It started out with good intentions–medical doctors trying to find a way to curb the raging syphilis epidemic that was taking its highest toll on blacks in the South.
NEWSREEL ANNOUNCER: Now that the curtain of secrecy has been removed, everyone should know the truth about syphilis and gonorrhea.
CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: In 1930, the United States Health Service launched a study of the disease and the effects of treatment in six Southern counties with large black populations. But two years later at the height of the Depression, funding ran out.
Back in Washington, the Health Service decide if it couldn’t afford to treat syphilis, maybe in a scaled back version of the experiment, they at least could study its effects. This decision produced the dramatic turn that led to today’s apology. Abandoning those who participated in the larger treatment program, the Health Service chose to focus on poor and rural Macon County, Alabama, as the only site for a scaled down experiment.
In a report, Taliford Clark of the Health Service explained why. “Macon County,” he wrote, “is a natural laboratory; a ready-made situation. The rather low intelligence of the Negro population, depressed economic conditions, and the common promiscuous sex relations not only contribute to the spread of syphilis but the prevailing indifference with regard to treatment.” The famous Tuskegee Institute, founded by Booker T. Washington to educate freed slaves and their descendants, relied heavily on federal funding and quickly volunteered office space and its hospital for exams and autopsies.
In the fall of 1932, handbills were posted and circulated at several church gatherings in the poor county, where even the one black doctor served only those who could afford to pay. The ads promised “special treatment” for men with “bad blood,” which, to local folks, could mean anything from VD to anemia to indigestion. Eager to take advantage of any kind of medical care that was free, men signed up in droves.
HERMAN SHAW, Tuskegee Study Subject: The way I heard about it was through a rumor that the people, that came out of Macon County, and people said you could get free medicine for yourself and things of that kind, and they would have a meeting at Salmon Chapel at a certain date. And those of us who were eligible, was of a certain age, why, then you had to be a certain age to be eligible to participate in this meeting, therefore I went.
CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT: After blood tests of the volunteers, 399 men with syphilis and a control group of 201 men without the disease were chosen. But the 399 were not told they had syphilis, or that they were now part of a medical experiment.
CHARLES POLLARD, Tuskegee Study Subject: They say they gonna treat us–they just said bad blood.
HERMAN SHAW: We got three different types of medicine. A little round pill–sometime a capsule–sometime a little vial of medicine–everybody got the same thing.
…This info from pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/may97/tuskegee_5-16.html…
So how disgusted can you be to know your ‘elected by the people for the people’ has agenda’s like these. How many more do we NOT know of???
Now there is something to have nightmares about.
March 31st, 2008 at 8:29 am
Wasn’t it like a year or so ago that some people from Bulgaria vaccinated kids in Lybia and gave them HIV? How does that happen? I believe its all by design. It probably won’t be long till they make AIDS go air borne. The elite will have the cure. But you will have to worship the bastards to get it.
Then you got people from the fucked up religious right saying its the wrath of the so called god that people have AIDS. Oh, lets not forget the Rev. Jerry Falwell with his statements with Pat Roberston about the 9/11 attacks. You can google Jerry Falwell to see what exactly was said.
I no longer attend the church of the dumb shits no more. That goes for all the churches. I’d rather sit at home on Sunday then sit in a pew to listen to bullshit and give an offering of money for the bullshit.
March 31st, 2008 at 8:37 am
Great!! Now let’s give all the citizens of San Francisco pithcforks and torches and we’ll burn this mutha down!!
March 31st, 2008 at 8:45 am
Nice article. I don’t agree with Danksta in his/her assertion of the Infowars’ staff writers inabilities. One thing that is certain is that when investigation or reporting anything you must FOLLOW THE MONEY! This is the God in which they trust, and why it’s printed on their Godless money.
House Bill # HB 15090 from 1969 the Dept. of the Army requested $10 million to create the designer disease, HIV / AIDS. Page 129, “Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.” With the money, time frame and documented experiments even the worst detective could build an air-tight case.
cut & paste this link to see a pdf of HB 15090:
http://www.geocities.com/kidhi.....idstop.htm
Remember: The Nazi’s first victims were the homosexuals.
March 31st, 2008 at 8:57 am
rhmichigan, it is sad that the hypocrites and liars have turned you off to spirituality
in Islam, the hypocrites (people who said they believed, told others what to do, but never did it themselves) are placed in the lowest depths of Hellfire
I truly hope you can maintain belief in God, and God Willing learn about the Islam, despite what some Muslims are doing all over the world, the religion is considered by myself and many to be the Truth from God
May God make things easy for you
~Drew
March 31st, 2008 at 9:22 am
I don’t buy it. I am an immunologist myself and I can honestly say that the technology to engineer a virus in the type of way that would be required to make HIV was simply not possible in the 70s or the 80s. There was so much that was unknown about DNA etc that would make the work extremely challenging and laborious.
Could they have extracted it from infected monkeys and then passed on the humans? Sure, that is possible. Patient 0 was also a gay haitian man that made his way through the gay community as he traveled. If you’re gay and want to find other gays, what other place to visit than the cities with the largest gay communities? Common sense.
Through testing of tissue and bone samples, HIV actually goes back to the late 1950s. So I think 20 some years is plenty of time for it to make it out of Africa.
It’s no surprise too that the infection rates were initially higher in the US for some time as compared to the African Jungle Congo region. I mean all human diseases spread faster in areas of opportunity, clearly densely packed gay communites are a better virus incubator than desolate jungle areas.
What about now? The infection rate in african countires reaches 30-40% in some areas. Given enough time it will spread, which took two decades, also the amount of time it took to come to the US.
In 1959 where HIV originates, most scientist didn’t even know about how to manipulate DNA, the first enzyme for cutting DNA wasn’t invented until 1968. Watson and Crick first published their findings in 1953 about DNA structure. DNA technology and enzyme technology or PCR weren’t invented until many decades AFTER HIV was first detected. These technologies are REQUIRED to move around DNA, you can’t possibly do it specifically without these. But HIV preceeded these techs, so how could it be man-made?
It’s like saying some kid played Xbox 360 in 1980, before graphics carsd were even invented.
This article is writted for people that don’t know anything about biotechnology and is aimed to pull the wool over your eyes.
Could we make killer viruses now? YES, I make recombinant retroviruses all the time in the lab, but that tech is new, not 50 years old.
March 31st, 2008 at 9:51 am
I don’t trust Rev. Wright. Rev. Wright (Obama’s former preacher) was presented on TV as a “conspiracy kook”. Maybe Wright willingly did that rant just to paint all “AIDS was invented by the government” people as “tinfoil hat wearers”. Maybe Wright is one of those preachers participating in that FEMA “use Romans 13 to tell your congregation to turn in your guns and go to FEMA camps” agenda.
March 31st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Hep B shots are something almost every American gets around adolescense. I’m going to look into this and I suggest you all get STD tested
March 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Good point, Darth. I think you may be correct. There is little in the mainstream media that isn’t there for a very deliberate purpose.
March 31st, 2008 at 11:36 am
Lookup AIDS dissidents on google.
Apparently HIV Virus doesn’t even cause AIDS, it is completely harmless. According to these dissident groups, there are several causes for AIDS (AIDS is a CONDITION not a virus). One is malnutrition. This explains cases ranging from drug abuse (one high risk group) to impoverished Africans (another high risk group). There is also yet another disease, which is detailed in one of the AIDS films at http://www.trueworldhistory.info in the expanded video section, that can be caused by anal sex. It resembles the same symptoms as AIDS and is very treatable. Unfortunately if the person is found to have HIV, they are treated for AIDS instead of the real disease that they have. Of course, the AIDS drugs themselves, especially the ones used early on are said to cause AIDS. The new drugs are not as effective at causing AIDS, so they seem to work better.
These groups hypothesize that the HIV virus has been around in humans for decades if not centuries or longer, and of course, is completely harmless. They show how increases in AIDS testing accounts for the surge in the AIDS virus.
I think this is worth looking into.
March 31st, 2008 at 11:56 am
& people like Tex wonder why some of these people go nuts . They were the first to be executed by Hitler before the Jews. People bash & rag on them everyday in AmeriKa. I wonder why more then half stay in the closet & in fact r the biggest of the bashers! Why is AmeriKa #1 in sex crimes? Because fundamentalist like to instill fear & hate from the time we r born, fear, fear & more fear, it’s awful. Yet their kids r 50 pounds overweight. To be quite candid I was on the street at 15 & 85% of the sick people that wanted to pay me for sex were married to woman or in the DL club.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
“Thing Fish” Frank Zappa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIi7lw_lIY
One of these days the nuts are going to kill us all. If they aren’t messing with bioweapons, it nukes, that crazy HARP, or super colliders. They compartmentalize scientists to make it and then the nuts take it over. I’ve been saying the ozone hole was from nukes they set off to open the Van Allen belt. Didn’t work so well. Now they have to chemtrail for what the messed up with the HARP. A super collider? Maybe they’ll say it’s second hand smoke that’s sucking all the matter into a hole. See the smoke going twards the hole, it’s the smoke…LOL. Of couse they won’t have time for that, but that’s their modus operendi.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
People still aren’t listening. Read my comment on the first page.
HIV IS the virus that causes AIDS.
HIV infects your immune cells and destroys them. This then lowers your chances of fighting off normal infections, Human Herpes Viruses being one of them.
Saying that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS is like saying that Tobacco smoking doesn’t contribute to cancer.
AIDS is the state of HIV infection where your T cell counts fall below a certain threshold that makes you vulnerable to infections your body can normally handle. That is it.
So HIV causes AIDS.
HIV has been around AT LEAST 50 years detectable, probably more like several centuries. It is NOT man made.
March 31st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Also it is very reasonable for HIV to jump species. Last time I checked, the Chimp and Human genomes are almost identical with only a small % of genes being different, most of those in the area of brain-related genes. Therefore HIV or any chimp disease jumping to humans is not only possible, but EXTREMELY likely.
March 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
although i dont understand the details, i had a friend in the military that did. The first time i heard aids was manufactured was from him in 1994 i believe. there was some class he was in that taught the difference between natural and man made. at the end of the class( wihich lasted if i remember right about a week or so..) the instructors handed out something like 6 or 8 slides to each student, one contained the aids virus. he stated that this wasnt a test… he said they never told them the results. he claimed that from everything the class taught him, he answered man-made for AIDS.
the history channel shows how the govt released clouds of radioactive particles from washington state. hanford, i believe, to track the wind drift and its effects on the population. so you have to be an idiot to not think the govt too.
also, by the time the indians woke up to what was happening, it was too late….something else to ponder.
March 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
There is no way possible that the HIV virus is man-made. The technology to create it DID NOT EXIST for DECADES before it was actually confirmed to have been isolated from.
This is so funny, I make recombinant viruses all the time, they are indistinguishable from natural ones.
YOU CAN NOT TELL THEM APART FROM THE NATURAL VIRUS.
I have my PhD in Cell and Structural Biology I think that makes me an expert here, I have been doing recombinant Immunology research for 10 years not. I use viruses to infect cells to force expression of proteins that I am studying.
March 31st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I_Know Says:
Hey right on with that super collider shit. Forget the middle east. Armageddon is in France!
March 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Gays were NOT the first victims to get infected. The first victims to get infected with AIDs were Africans. Many investigations have come to the conclusion it was the result of one mad overambitious man who chose to use live chimps for vaccine creation. Go on youtube and watch some of them.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
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Christiandon say; Gays were NOT the first victims to get infected. The first victims to get infected with AIDs were Africans. Many investigations have come to the conclusion it was the result of one mad overambitious man who chose to use live chimps for vaccine creation. Go on youtube and watch some of them.
So easy for everybody to blame Africa for all of the worlds problems…..
Is YouTube an proven scholary source? OR is your ignorance the same reason why everyone keeps getting infected with HIV…..believe what you want…..Your mind is already under control…..
If you are a Christian…..Your a disgrace….
March 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
You people with your Armageddon. CERN will not end the world, maybe the human race as we know it but not Mother Earth she will take care of herself. If we don’t wise up CONSUMERS she may just bury us all…
March 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Luke you say they haven’t had the technology long enough to do that. Are you sure about that? What we call new or known and available to the general population the government has had access to for at least 25 years. We have had anti-gravity and free energy technology for almost 100 years now but yet it’s covered up. Research Nikola Tesla. It’s all about control and money which is why you don’t get to have it. Just like the cure for aids, hiv, cancer or any other illness.
March 31st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I lost a brother who was gay and three friends that weren’t. Eugenics is a sick business Merck’s directly involved in. Aids is not natural in nature and was engineered from all my research after losing family and friends. My brother hung out at the gay bath houses in San Francisco and was diagnosed in 85 and died in 91. The disease sprang up in the major gay population centers almost simultaneously as if placed there.
Another scientific researcher did some studies on the African strain and noticed that it mutates from host to host and does not maintain it’s DNA structure from one person to the next. So he was a bit perplexed when he returned from Africa to the states and compared his sample stored under nitrogen for the trip, to the one he recently got from a new patients blood sample and both strains were identical. The only explanation was someone brought over from Africa a sample under nitrogen and then released it directly into the population because if it were transmitted normally it would have mutated by time it came to his patient.
They took a monkey virus into the lab and genetically engineered it into a killer virus that somehow seemed to jump species, (they wanted it too) The monkey virus in it’s natural state didn’t affect humans and never did before the engineering. That’s not to say other immune disease didn’t exist it means this type didn’t exist. The first cases in Africa were started by the eugenicist to see if it would work here and Europe. Then it was sent here for trials in all the big Gay cities starting in NY, but they didn’t count on the collateral damage that went right into the straight community because by-bisexuals were mixing it up as well as the intravenous drug users. Then you have Bayer Aspirin knowingly putting AIDS in the factor 8 hemophiliac blood supply. How much of the story is needed before you realize they are out to kill whom ever they deem unfit to live? Africa has long been a play ground for the sick elite eugenics murders. They are always looking for ways to cull the herds like smoking, drinking, drugs, processed foods, fluoride in your water and toothpaste and fillings. Spraying the skies with toxins daily, and presciption drugs which are far worse than street drugs and kill more people than the illegal kind. The Elite must die and everyday we wait is another plan of attack for them. They will be purged from society like lancing a boil or removing a cancer from the world. Problem is there will always be someone to take their place so we have to build an immunity from these scum ever infiltrating the planet again.
March 31st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
A few people once said to me it was created from gay men having sex…I failed to ask hmm so ur telling me that men just started having fun with each other in the 80’s? really its a new trend? even though yea…they been doing it since the beginning of time its common sense the disease was man made however you look at it. People should have been dieing of aids back in the bible days and then on if it wasnt
March 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
You know if people obeyed the words of Jesus Christ the government would have a very hard time attacking us. The Bible is against sodomy, and calls it sin. If all the Homo’s repented of their sin and lived for Jesus Christ then the government could not have targeted that group to spread their bio weapon. And if people treated everybody good then the government could not make laws to control them. It is like our founding fathers said “either people will be ruled by the Bible or the bayonet”. They have a point, if we let the Bible rule our hearts, then the government can not make laws against loving one another. But when people are backstabbing and devouring one another then we need more and more laws to protect us from each other.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:36 am
I really enjoyed reading this article because i did a research paper in college over 10 years ago on this very subject. The teacher did not agree with the subject but could not refute the facts I had presented. I have no doubt that the government had a hand in the creation of AIDS.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
What a lucky break for the government … conservatives Christians will happily ignore the government’s involvement in developing the AIDS virus because they would rather (a) believe Republicans could never do anything bad, unless it’s Larry Craig and (b) accept that AIDS is the natural consequence of sin. I am a Christian, (and been married to a gay man) and I know better than to think the Big Boys aren’t corrupt and weren’t anti-gay when DOD was developing bioweapons in the 60s. They are egotistical psychopaths. No room for real Christianity in any of them, so don’t believe it. (Except maybe Dr. Paul, who DOES get it…)
April 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
A few questions for our self-proclaimed ‘expert’, Luke:
1) How do you know that because you weren’t aware of specific technologies until a certain date, that they didn’t already exist, and perhaps you weren’t privy to them?
2) How do you test for “immunity” to a certain virus? You look for antibodies against it.
3) Now how do you test whether or not someone is HIV+? You guessed it, you look for antibodies against it.
4) Where is your proof of a direct causation between HIV and a drop in the T-cell count?
Just some things for you to ponder. Maybe you will start to question some of the dogmas you’ve been indoctrinated with while you are busy making your recombinant viruses.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Gopi:
1) Considering the fact that the worse minds work for government agencies, I doubt it. Furthermore the technology required many other technologies as well. Sure there may be a handful of things that have not been revealed, but that many, I don’t think so. Usually many scientists discover the next logical step independently of each other, so if you wait even a year or two to publish, someone will beat you to it. The HIV conspiracy requires 2-3 decades of secrecy over DNA modifcation enzymes. Since the Structure of DNA wasn’t published until 1953 and the first modifcation enzyme trailed by almost two decades, I find it hard to believe that multiple enzymes required to cut the HIV DNA were discovered and kept secret for that long.
Furthermore, to cut DNA you need to know its sequence, and that my friend was many decades past Watson and Crick.
Since HIV can be confirmed to have existed at 1959, the Man made HIV theory is LAUGHABLE at best.
2) and 3) I don’t see the point of these two points. HIV can also be detected on the surface of T cells by looking for the HIV protein GP120. Having antibodies against a virus does not mean you are immune to it. It just means that your body is mounting a defense.
Many people infected with Human Herpes Viruses have VERY LOW antibody counts to these viruses and for all purposes test negative. This doesn’t mean they aren’t infected.
4) Let me educate you on viruses:
Viruses can’t just infet any cell, proteins on the surface of a virus bind receptors (proteins) on their specific target cells. Considering that HIV uses T cell specific targets on host cells means it infects T cells, duh. After it infects the cell and hijacks its machinery the virus buds off the cell and essentially kills the cell. This is the lysogenic phase of the infection cycle. Sooner or later the body’s capacity to replenish these T cells is overwhelmed by their destruction and your T cell counts drop, until you have so few that you have AIDS. For some people with healthy immune systems this could take decades, for others it may only be months to years. Depends on how fast your immune system can replenish itself.
Many Europeans are resistant to HIV infection because they have a mutation in a chemokine receptor on T cells that HIV uses to gain entry.
These are the two largest things conecting HIV to T cells.
go to http://www.pubmed.com and look at the many thousands of articles written by good scientists showing a link between T cells and HIV.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Luke:
“1) Considering the fact that the worse minds work for government agencies, I doubt it.”
You are assuming that you would be aware of new scientific developments coming from ‘government agencies’, and that based on the public front of such agencies, you can judge what is available in other, more secretive ones. There are many agencies in existence that neither you nor I have ever heard of; much less have knowledge of their operations. But that is neither here nor there. We can agree to disagree on this point.
You are conditioned to operate within your narrow sphere of academia, in which publications and grant money rule the show, and often bias the researchers. You operate in a world that is dependent upon believing in and promoting certain ideas in order to put food on your table.
“2) and 3) I don’t see the point of these two points. HIV can also be detected on the surface of T cells by looking for the HIV protein GP120. Having antibodies against a virus does not mean you are immune to it. It just means that your body is mounting a defense.”
Hence the quotation marks I put around the word “immunity” in my previous post. You and I agree on this point. Detecting a virus on a cell proves one thing: that it has a receptor to that virus on its surface.
The point of the above two questions was to ask you to consider why when we try to detect the efficacy of an immunization, we use tests to detect antibodies to said virus. However, the HIV test looks for the same markers. Therefore, how would one go about creating a vaccine for HIV? How would one go about detecting the efficacy of such a vaccine? See a contradiction here?
“4) Let me educate you on viruses:
Viruses can’t just infet any cell, proteins on the surface of a virus bind receptors (proteins) on their specific target cells. Considering that HIV uses T cell specific targets on host cells means it infects T cells, duh. After it infects the cell and hijacks its machinery the virus buds off the cell and essentially kills the cell. This is the lysogenic phase of the infection cycle. Sooner or later the body’s capacity to replenish these T cells is overwhelmed by their destruction and your T cell counts drop, until you have so few that you have AIDS. For some people with healthy immune systems this could take decades, for others it may only be months to years. Depends on how fast your immune system can replenish itself.
Many Europeans are resistant to HIV infection because they have a mutation in a chemokine receptor on T cells that HIV uses to gain entry.
These are the two largest things conecting HIV to T cells.
go to http://www.pubmed.com and look at the many thousands of articles written by good scientists showing a link between T cells and HIV.”
Thank you for the free education. Guess I shoulda saved myself tens of thousands of dollars and just read your posts.
While you have regurgitated what many scientists have been taught to believe to be the mechanism by which HIV infects T-lymphocytes, there are others who feel that HIV is simply a passenger virus, which many people carry without significant detriment to their immune systems, and without subsequent development of AIDS.
An alternative, and widely suppressed (AIDS is a multimillion dollar industry, mind you) point of view is that AIDS is caused by a combination of extensive malnutrition, drug abuse and the very antiretroviral medications administered to HIV+ patients.
Kary Mullis and Peter Duesberg, among others, have commented and written extensively on this topic. Their work is also readily available on Medline. No doubt you’ve heard of them?
I have no doubt that you are a very educated individual and are very good at your job, and have honest motives and integrity in your work. I just humbly request that you can open your mind to other possibilities.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Huh. I thought Rev Wright set us straight already that HIV was designed to take out black people.
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 am
Gopi,
You are right about the fact that HIV can be carried by others without that many problems. In addition many viruses need a certain dose to cause potentially fatal or lethal infections. So getting a small dose would be insignificant.
I am not arguing that HIV was used with bad intentions to infect other people. That kind of conspiracy I could agree with. In fact that could be a reason on how it came over to the new world. That I have never argued. I just find it difficult to reconcile the fact that it was bioengineered back 5 decades ago.
Could we creat a killer virus now? Most definitely. I do reasearch on T and NK cells and I use viruses frequently to infect my cells with other proteins. It is very easy. In fact I’m surprised that no one has created a killer flu virus yet since Science Magazine was so stupid in allowing the publication of the FLu virus of 1916 genome.
What dumbass scientist would publish that knowledge or submit it to a database? I can design primers for those genes and have it made in a week. I can even use an adenoviral carrier, which will infect every cell in the body. So easy to do, it’s criminal. People are reckles and stupid, all in the name of getting publications and grant money.
I contacted the CDC and the white house about the negligience of the publication, I never received a response.
Science is broken, that I agree with too Gopi. It is all about who you know and what connections you have. I have theories about how NK cells work that aren’t that popular amongst scientists because the answer is so fundamentally simple its laughable. I use my head when I do research, not what current dogmas teach.
I’ll research some of those background things you are talking about.