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Home-school Germans Flee to UK
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Charlie Francis-Pape and Allan Hall
The Guardian
February 24, 2008
Families are fleeing to the UK from Germany to escape a law introduced by Hitler that could lead to their children being taken into care if educated at home. One father, who arrived in Britain with his wife and five children last month, has told The Observer that his family had no choice after being warned that their children would be taken into foster care unless they enrolled them at local schools. Another, who fled in October, said he believed the 70-year-old law was creating hundreds of refugees and forcing families into hiding to protect their children.
Home-schooling has been illegal in Germany since it was outlawed in 1938. Hitler wanted the Nazi state to have complete control of young minds. Today there are rare exemptions, such as for children suffering serious illnesses or psychological problems. Legal attempts through the courts – including the European Court of Human Rights – have so far failed to overturn the ban.
Klaus Landahl, 41, who moved in January from the Black Forest in Germany to the Isle of Wight with his wife, Kathrin, 39, said they had no option but to leave their home, friends and belongings in order to educate their five children, aged between three and 12, legally and without fear. ‘It feels like persecution,’ he said. ‘We had to get to safety to protect our family. We can never go back. If we do, our children will be removed, as the German government says they are the property of the state now.’
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February 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Don’t understand why they went to the UK though. Austria and Switzerland allow home schooling, although the children do have to submit themselves to regular exams (same as children who attend public schools) in order to measure their level of education. Only if they do not meet those levels, does the Ministry of Education force the parents to send them to regular public school, or a private school with proper credentials. Since these people are German speaking, why didn’t they opt for Austria or Switzerland. The story needs to be checked more thoroughly.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Jordy,
Likely due to the fact that both of the countries cited boast large cantons of Germanics and german sympathizers. In any nation where one must request permission of any sort from government regarding the handling and training of their own offspring…so long as they are not putting said offspring in direct and emminent danger…is a nation to be shunned as pariah. ‘Testing’ in this context is merely a governments pretext for invasive and unnecessary controls. If the families wish their children to be competitive in the world, they will undoubtably do a far better job of education (for far less money) than any incompetent beaurocrat ever could.
You are correct however in questioning ‘why England?’ due to their escalating aggregious attacks upon the individual. Socialism/National Socialism/Internationalism be damned.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:27 am
the overlooked problem, here is that people keep signing up as “residents”. One thing for sure- the local government rarely if ever tries to force the ‘just visiting’ into their system. But if you sign up, and then dishonor the contract…thats where the controversy begins. If I am ‘just visiting’, then where are the kids supposed to go to school? They might not even be eligible!
February 26th, 2008 at 10:55 am
This is just another way to get all of these kids into the public school system and to brainwash and drug them just like the rest. You’d better be prepared to defend yourselves when they come to take your children away. Resist this tyranny at all costs!
February 26th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Amerika has 4 million + home schoolers now. That is a large army just in home schoolers.
February 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Home schooling in the US is tolerated but you still have to jump through a lot of gov. hoops to prove yourself worthy.
February 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Seamis O’Fearghail Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Home schooling in the US is tolerated but you still have to jump through a lot of gov. hoops to prove yourself worthy.
That is not true I home school my 4 children.
February 26th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Honestly now, isn’t Germany a Free Society and a Democracy? Don’t these people understand what these things are really supposed to mean? The state has no business interfering in education.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:07 am
I home schooled my kids for one year as the family was overseas; no problems. All I had to do was buy the texts the school would be using. The only concern was that when they went back to public schools, if they did not “keep up” (meaning pass standardized tests) they would need tutoring…no problems.
The larger issue here, of course, is that the ability to choose is taken away…which should never happen.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I’m German, and I have to say: The government we have is a criminal organization. They terrorieze the people like cracy in many different ways. They are practicing this nazi low against homeschooling much worse then the government under Mr. Hitler did. The parliamentary are the worst dictators we ever had!
It is not the buisiness from the government to educate children, this should be completly under the control of the parents.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:35 am
Instead of giving school districts the money for your child being in school, give the same money to the parents who want to homeschool their kids. It seems fair to me, and they don’t have to sit next to illegals and gang bangers.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Explain’s why germany’s seem to be inteligent. They are smarter then the english.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Hey at least they have the courage to pick up and move somewhere else. I’m afraid most people everywhere would just lick boots and parrot some mantra about homeschoolers being anti-government or just weird, crazy cult members. Brace for impact America; we are on the list for this type of legislation.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Parmaseano:
What do you mean ‘just visiting’? Where does one make that distinction when moving to a new region? I’m moving to Wisconsin soon…it’s my understanding that if you live anywhere for 6 months + 1 day, you are a resident of that locale. Perhaps the rule books say differently, but if that is how they enforce it [i]de facto[/i], then I’m going to end up with Child Protective Services coming to my house and telling me what a terrible parent I am for not vaccinating my children and sending them to state indoctrination camps (aka: schools). And once my children are taken away, then the police will come in the night and take me away to one of those nifty detainment camps with the inward-facing barbed wire. I can hardly wait.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Too bad that the article doesn’t explain how well the school system works in Germany. Even though I don’t agree with forcing children to go to state run schools, their education system is quite amazing. Both English and German are taught, and by the time they graduate after 15 years, most have a comprehensive education at least equal to our college level. Unfortunately, I have no sympathy for someone who does absolutely no research into the new place/country they plan on moving to. Looks like Americans aren’t the only ones who need to pull their heads out…
March 1st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Well, let me tell you something about what I know of German schools. Back in 1953-56, I’d go visit some of these classrooms and they would have an old German male teacher who was probably cowed by his superiors into being nothing more than a vindictive, malicious, small-spirited disciplinarian to some of the students when adults were not about, more than he was ever any sort of an educator!
He would pick on one, or two, of his students and take things out on these poor kids, and if he got away with that, then he started brow-beating up on them whenever he pleased! Intimidated, these poor kids couldn’t even answer questions without stumbling being mortally afraid that they would be faulted on something!
In the meantime, the teacher was very nice to some of the other students, to make himself look good, make these mistreated kids feel that much worse, and the teacher enjoying good vibes from his pets! Did I ever tell you what some of my American classmates thought about ‘dumb as an ox’ teachers pets?… don’t we know one Nancy Pelosi as a matter of fact?
The two luckless students were degraded into little beasties, dominated and abused, to take the teachers frustrations on, or just because the teacher got out on the wrong side of the bed that morning, or somebody spoiled his day for him!
The teacher made himself over into a b-i-g man. What was really sad is that it was then up to that monster to decide whether to keep the poor kid, or both, from graduating to the next grade for another year, or the year after that, so that he could have them for himself for a couple more years to beat-up on! Telling their German parents that their children just couldn’t hack making grades good enough to graduate to the next level! (Did somebody on comment #15 say that it took some of these kids 15 years to get out of high school? Believe you me, it is true)!
(And the parents, being Germans, and ‘full’ of fart and what they thought was high standards, would berate their poor young ones without mercy, and box their ears off whenever they were displeased with something, or found the opportunity to do it, thinking that their students were giving them a bad name, in their own neighborhood! The thought of it! No proper German would stand for that!
As a result the parents then had somebody to whop, or belt little hides to the color of black and blue, and had the students to pick on at home, whenever the time was opportune, just as the teacher did at school, as these poor things definitely brought it upon themselves for being stupid! It was a deplorable time in their German lives they had to grow through, I’m sure of it! -Al Koppel.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm
how old are you, Koppel?
March 1st, 2008 at 6:43 pm
F.B.I… will they ever figure out who’s really behind 9-11? If not, then they are useless.
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:34 am
I’m English, married to a German, have lived in Germany for 17.5 years, and have brought up two children here. On one hand, it is true what a previous comment says, that the school system is of a high standard. English is taught from 3rd grade and there are thoughts of bringing it down to 2nd.
Those who are academically able go to grammar school from the 5th grade onwards, where they have to choose the direction they want to take in their lives later. Most have no idea and only find out later that what they chose wasn’t the right thing. By then it’s too late. Those not so academic but more of a practical bent go to Realschule and those who find school really hard go to the Hauptschule. There’s a lot of pressure to succeed, and parents are always looking for extra tuition for their kids. You are basically streamed into your future career from the start and there is little flexibility or possibility to change unless you undertake a costly change in career later. School is from 8am to 1pm. After that it’s homework and various sports/music club activities which the schools don’t offer and which parents have to organise themselves.
Our first child has sailed through the system; our second has struggled from the start. Our perception has been that the system tries to fit every child into the mould, and woe betide you if you don’t fit. You end up feeing a complete failure, and even if you don’t succeed, the lack of all-round encouragement and praise still renders you insecure and lacking in confidence.
The curriculum is strongly humanistic, geared towards making children open to a globalistic worldview. You are marginalised if you are strong enough to think, say or act differently. The European agenda is pushed all the time. So is evolution, sex educ., and the religion syllabus contains themes of occultism and satanism as well as the usual multi-faith programme. Homosexuality is made to appear another norm.
Small wonder that some brave folks home school their children. I know of a family who did so and their bank account was frozen, their car confiscated and the parents threatened with imprisonment. The German government is afraid of so-called parallel societies and want everyone to think the same. It’s still fascism, but with a socialist label.
“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”–Alexis de Tocqueville
We were despairing about what to do with our son, when, out of the blue, we were given the chance to put him in a private school in the UK. He started in January and is thriving because the pressure is off, he’s given encouragement, affirmation, and is kept busy with masses of sport and cultural activities. The school ethos is Christian.
I’m strongly for choice. Parents should be allowed to choose what fits their child. Not every child will fit the system and to put pressure on the child just damages him.
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Does the FBI consider loyalty to Israel OVER the USA an act bordering treason for an elected official of the US Government ?
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 am
Amerikans are dumbed down by their system of capitalist coprporate fascism
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:02 am
Im sorry but why flee to the UK if you are looking to get away gvmt intervention?
I am in favour of home schooling, but not by what you may call “dumb-arses”.
March 4th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Pretty much all the honest truth telling there is in the world is done by children.
March 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
These our OUR Children!!! The Same thing is happening here in America and we are failing to see it as a society, FIGHT THEM america! Since when does the state OR schools have rights above you as parents over your children? The fact is they don’t, so stop drugging them, stop giving them shots and stop listening to people who tell you it is “required for saftey”
March 8th, 2008 at 1:55 am
fascism is not capitalism. it’s socialism.
March 8th, 2008 at 2:03 am
“The adoption of democracy is fatal to good government, to liberty, to law and order, to respect for authority, and to religion, and must produce chaos from which a NEW WORLD tyranny will arise. You can never have revolution in order to establish a democracy. You must have democracy in order to have a revolution” ― Robert Welch – Republics and Democracies pg. 7
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What the Church has been for medieval man, the public school must become for democratic and rational man. GOD WOULD BE REPLACED BY THE CONCEPT OF THE PUBLIC GOOD.” ― Horace Mann, father of public education
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“Humanism is the denial of God and the total affirmation of man. Humanism is really nothing else but Marxism.” ― Karl Marx, Economic Politigue et Philsophie
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“It is absurd to say that one is a humanist but not a feminist. Feminism is the last evolutionary development of humanism. Feminism is humanism on its most advanced level.” ― Raine Eisler, Humanist Magazine Nov/Dec 1980, Author of Equal Rights ERA Handbook.
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“The next century can be and should be the humanistic century. We stand at the dawn of a NEW AGE, a secular society on a planetary scale. As non-theists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity. We deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds. Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a WORLD ORDER based upon transnational federal government. The true revolution is occurring.” ― Humanist Manifesto II, published in 1973
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At the 1991 Bilderberg meeting, David Rockefeller thanked the media for covering up elite plans for the “supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers.” “It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.”
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“The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a [One] World Government …” — AMERICAN MERCURY MAGAZINE, December 1957, pg. 92.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:14 am
‘Uchikoma’
Why comment on Britain’s government intervention?
In the UK parents can home educate as they wish. If they have never been to a state system, there is zero government intervention.
So I think you need to get your facts right before you ask why these families are fleeing to the UK.
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