 |
|
|
|||
 |
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|
||
|
|
|||
|
|
|
||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
 |
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Iran Protesters Using U.S. Navy Internet Encryption Program
- Text size
Eli Lake
The Washington Times
June 26, 2009
The Washington Times
June 26, 2009
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Designed a decade ago to secure Internet communications between U.S. ships at sea, The Onion Router, or TOR, has become one of the most important proxies in Iran for gaining access to Web sites such as Twitter, YouTube and Facebook.
The system of proxy servers that disguise a user’s Internet traffic is now operated by a nonprofit, the Tor Project, that is independent from the U.S. government and military and is used all over the world.
-
- Social bookmarks
- Email this article
-
- Print this page
- Share on Twitter
June 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Tor is supposed to be an annonymous way to share data over the internet. Just look at the 3 highest bandwidth top Tor peers – they are all US Gov ISPs, so all Tor communications go through these links.
Rocky Horror Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
strange all those signs are written in english….
birgit Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Amazing huh?
Wonder who they are addressing…
their leaders do not speak much less read english.
so it is just for show… just for the west…
sickening
Tim Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
You are invited to an international webcast hosted by Lyndon LaRouche on Saturday, June 27th at 12:30 pm at this link: http://www.larouchepac.com
Remember: the LaRouche Political Action Committee is the ‘Number One’ PAC at the White House and worldwide
Topics will include the collapsing global monetary system, Obamas loyalties, climate program as well as health care policies of the Obama administration.
Live phone calls and email will be received during the webcast.
If you do not have the time to attend, the webcast will be archived and available for download immediately afterward at the larouchepac.com website.
Croc Smarts Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
You mean they’ll actually be able to keep Grampa Rouchie
awake and off the toilet long enough to host a webcast?
Amazing! He’s about a third behind every other Patriot
Organization in the country if his latest talk “Im the only
one who can handle this” is any indicator.
Lyndon is way too full of himself. Sort of like a cross
between the other Lyndon, (Johnson) and Alex Haig.
CounterSTRIKE Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I use to live on a university campus because my dad was a professor and I new alot of Iranians and they all spoke perfect english. They are not stupid at all and they seam to know more about whats going on in the world. I respected them. Also I heard that its important for Iranians to learn English. Just like every county I been too a certain segment always spoke English.
rik thomas Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 3:17 am
the incredible joke…….. while americans have been fed that they are informed smart and intelligent, you go to most other countries and people are far more intelligent and smart than in the US.
birgit Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Who said anything about anyone being stupid????Where did I disrespect them ?
Are you daft?
I SAID : Their LEADERS do not speak ,much less READ english…
WHO ARE THOSE SIGNS FOR?
(deleted insult)
Ya dont see American protesters write their signs in french even when they protested france, DUH
many names Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Don’t get discouraged Ms. brigit.
Mr Thomas just likes to throw his opinion out there, even if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I do find it a little off setting that those signs are in English I don’t believe those are the real protest pictures.
Oh yea
“AMERICANS ARE FAT TOO”
“I READ A BOOK”
AbuBakerSmith Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Ahmadinejad speaks English fluently.
Social Viability Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
lol
Good observation, Rocky.
You gotta ask: Who the heck are they trying to convince?
Are they trying to convince their fellow Iranians? Or us?
Are they trying to get their votes counted? Or trying to convince the American people how evil Ahmadinejad is?
I’d like to know how many Iranians speak English…
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
http://socialviability.com/
OperationAjax2 Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Not really – they were probably ordered weeks ago by the CIA in Langley, VA. I’ll bet they were printed at local print shops in the DC area, boxed up and shipped to operatives in Iran – probably by UPS or FedEx.
Then they were disbursed via the appropriate channels to the “protesters”.
Nice resolution on those signs – I’ll bet they used a Xerox DocuColor 5000.
So obvious….
Ass Pirate Barry Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Do you think it’s possible to confirm this in anyway? It would be dumb—although not surprising—if the CIA actually did utilize non-Iranian commercial document vendors for such a job.
Another thing to bear in mind, however, is the general ignorance of most us—myself included, although I am doing my best to get up to speed—concerning life inside Iran and the quality of the country’s municipal and commercial-business infrastructure. For example, I was watching Freedom Watch last week when the Judge had an in-studio “former” neocon as a guest. The guest commented that the speed at which the election results were announced was evidence of some level of fraud because “Iran obviously doesn’t have the advanced technical capability to process election votes that fast” (paraphrasing). What he clearly didn’t know (and I didn’t know until a week before the show) was that Iran had over 40,000 polling locations that averaged less than 900 ballots cast per location. Local polling stations could easily count and recount the ballots, and then call the results into a central office for quick tabulation. A Casio calculator is all they would need, if anything.
Unconquered Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Did anyone else see the picture that was posted on this site where there was a protester in the background off the the left was holding a sign that said (I kid you not) For Sale By Owner? I KNEW I should have copied it to my hard drive but I’m sure AJ has it in his archives. All I’m saying is a lot of the signs in the early protest pix looked photoshopped. the photos coming out now look more like print-and-paste to look more “home made” I’m guessing.
My question is if you were an actual Iranian who was protesting an election IN IRAN, wouldn’t you want your message to get out to your COUNTRY first? ie: wouldn’t you want your signs written in Farsi (Persian)? Iran is a very richly cultured and educated country. (My parents were there a few years ago). If anyone speaks a second language marginally well, you know how difficult it is to come up with words in your non-native tounge. Remember the shooting incident at the immigration center in upstate new york earlier this year? The police said they found this long, rambling, disgruntled note left behind by the suspect. The suspect was a Vietnamese immigrant who was reported to have difficultings communicating in English which was part of his anger. People would make fun of him. There is NO WAY he would have written a long letter in English.
Just sayin’…
Davis Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I’m appalled at the number of “OH THE U.S. IS EVIL AND TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING” IDIOTS on this board. Almost as many as the “YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ALL MY VIEWS, SO YOU’RE A F*&#%+G SHILL!” Sometimes stuff happens without our help. Sometimes stuff happens that needs our help. Sometimes some of you should eat a chill pill and play with your children [or siblings]. But, if you are still all enraged that the sun rose in the east, convinced that it was part of some government conspiracy, I have a little news for you. While there are a lot of conspiracies, EVERYTHING isn’t a conspiracy and while the U.S. has done quite a lot of bad stuff, everything bad that happens ISN’T the U.S.’s doing.
In case you skipped school that day, English is the “Universal Language” of the planet. The [at least up to now] the language of business & commerce. Hold up a sign in English to a camera and chances are your message will be understood worldwide. Hold up a sign in Farsi [or whatever the language is in Iran] and the world says “That’s nice, bye bye”.
Tailgunner Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Wait a minute… nothing happens without planning, unless it’s an accident. Stuff just doesn’t happen on its own without a conspiracy, or plan to make it happen. This includes making dinner, going potty in a toilet, and blowing your nose in a Kleenex.
So your point is mute… unless you are saying the election was an accident and the TOR was completely random?
Tailgunner Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
An I think Mandarin is the most spoken language, isn’t it?
You can’t believe all of Iran speaks English…
Davis Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I admitted conspiracies exist. BUT not everything is a US government lead conspiracy. This garbage in Iran is an IRANIAN conspiracy. The Muslim Mullahs are pulling the strings there wiith this. The Imams chose the president and now they are surpressing the people. Will I cry if the theocracy in Iran is toppled? No. Do I think it will? No. There are a sufficient number of jackbooted thugs to keep the population in line. And if there are the random protester, the Imams will just have them beheaded! So before you go shouting down the U.S. look at the alternatives.
+h3.d3@d./\/\3$$3l\lg3r Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 7:13 am
The point that so many seem to be missing is that the same forces that CONTROL the US also control most of the planet, i.e. multinationalist bankers, the “Round Table” groups like Bilderberg, CFR, IMF, etc. So, you’re right Davis that it’s not a US lead conspiracy, but you must come to terms with the robber baron, puppetmasters that pull strings on ALL sides. See the movies”EndGame” and “Terrorstorm” for free on Google video for a better understanding of this Machiavellian deception.
Fight the Good Fight!
Hand out flyers and/or videos!!
Confront the corrupt in your area!!!
!!!RECLAIM THE FUTURE!!!
!!!DTTNWO!!!
Robert46 Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Well since your 50 brain cell mind forgot to mention this in your totally warped rant, Its been in several major US papers that the US CIA and special operations units have been operating in Iran for a few years now. Something else you can’t seem to understand and since you don’t understand logic, i will simply explain it to YOU. The Iranian Mulla’s pick ALL presidentual candidates so there would be no logical reason for them to cheat the other guy out of votes because the Mulla’s hand picked him to be on the ballot also.
Lets look at some history of US govt meddling in Iran. 1953 Coup of a freely elected president of Mohammad Mosaddeq and it was the US and British secret services that armed, trained and financed TERRORIST cells to blow Iranian govt buildings up, kill Iranian citizens and blame it on the govt, stir up violent protests, all so the US and Britian could get rid of a freely elected legitimate govt of Iran and install their puppet dictatorship.
By the way it turn out to be a brutal dictatorship, just so you know! I could point out declassified document after declassified document after declassified document, showing the absolute criminal behavior of our US govt in installing and propping up brutal dictatoships, who by the way tortured and murdered 10’s of thousands of their own people in those perspective nations where the US govt was active and knew about the bruttal nature of the dictatorships they installed!
I for one think you are either depserately niave or too dumb to read historical documents. Lilkey just a plain ol intellectual lair as it pertains to the US govts involvement and funding of TERRORISM,MURDER and COLLASPING of other nations whom were not nor ever would have been any threat to the United States of America!
Take your potatoe chip eating lazy ass back to the TV and watch some more major media so they can suck whats left of your 50 brain cells out of your skull!
Davis Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Robert46,
I think I have you beat by at least 4 ‘o those brain cells! So, the evil CIA is operating in Iran. Their actually doing what they are supposed to do. Pay attention here, the CIA is supposed to operate overseas to; A. collect information on our “non-friends”, and B. operate in ways against those governments. Does this mean the CIA caused the demonstrations? Are we whipping up huge numbers of college students & urban youths to defy their “god given” government? Or are the people there just tired of having Muslim Shiria Law rammed down their throats? The sane throats that get cut as thet are beheaded for the most trivial offense.
Did the US install the Shah? Yes. Was he any worse than the Muslim Theocracy that replaced him? No! Iran went from a ruthless but semi-benevolent dictator to a string of ABSOLOUTE BRUTAL THUG DICTATORS.
So while I continue to school your juvenile ass in the ways of the world, suck on this; If life is so frickin great in Iran under the Mullas and Imams, MOVE THERE! I’m sure you would last about a day, maybe two, before you found your head in a basket!
killuminati Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Davis,
Nobody said life is great living in Iran. So tell me, why is the CIA there again? Collect information on our “non-friends”? To operate in ways against those governments? Iran is not our friend you say? So there are Iranians in the US collecting information on us and trying to operate against us? That is basically what you are trying to say. Do not get me wrong, I know that there are CIA Agents in Iran and know what they are trying to do but you make it seem like they(CIA) are the good guys. Everybody knows that we are not in good terms with Iran. You have to look at the bigger picture on what the global elite is trying to do. The media has most people dumbed down and they show and tell you what they want you to hear on television. That is exactly why they want to get rid of the internet because there is more truth on the internet than anywhere else. Our government is corrupt and evil. You have to do your own research.
rik thomas Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 3:23 am
davis,
if life were fair and we had justice in the US your head would be in that basket.
when you say “move there” that just shows you are clueless or a troll about what is HERE.
i can’t believe you used that old insult “leave america”.
god you are a stinking anethma. because you must be supporting here…
huh baby boy? you like torture eh? how many people you want to torture baby boy?
in the name of our country?
40footowl Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Listen to Robert46, hes right on and he can type better then me.
rik thomas Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 3:29 am
davis baby,
we’re not moving. we’re americans and we are taking back this country and we will have to do it over your body. we know that now. we know what the fite is about and we know what it means to be a real american – and we know that we have to fite to reclaim our self-esteem like our founding fathers. you, my friend, are now history. no ifs ands or buts.
no more of your kind here. but we can really use some of our compatriots on the streets of iran.
because thats what its come down to. guys like you… we’ll feed you to the shaw’s son.
Davis Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
rik, killuminati, and others,
I cannot believe how ignorant you all are. You are all possesed with some kind of poison in your brains and souls. Is the US totally evil like you seem to think? I don’t think so, there is still a lot of good here. You rant about our freedom and the founding fathers, but when Iran’s youths take to the streets in mass protest, facing the clubs and gun muzzles of the police and military all you can do is bitch about the CIA. Instead of griping that “our government is EVIL…”, why don’t you support the Iranian peoples cry for freedom? It is really ironic that as you whine about freedom, you are siding with one of the most repressive, evil governments on earth. You scream at me when I say “If life under the Mullas in Iran is so great, move there”, but I stand by it. You bitch that the US is “SO EVIL” and “the CIA is ooerating inside innocent Iran”. WELL, If this nation IS so evil that you cannot stand it and Iran with the Imams is so great, GO. Enjoy the Muslim utopia! You sure aren’t doing anything to straighten out the problems here. And before you hurl another insult at me, look in the mirror and decide what YOU are going to do to fix the evil here. I’m already doing my part.
killuminati Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Like I said, nobody said anything about moving to Iran except you. Nobody said it was great living there. You are completley missing the point. We all no that Iran is not our friend. We DO NOT want to move there. We are trying to shed light on the truth while you are trying to lead the sheep on to saying that the CIA and our government is good. You are an example of a flouride user and media believer. You are correct on doing your part because you are leading the sheep into darkness. What we are all doing is spreading the word about the evils and corruption of our government. I want you to tell me how am I not doing my part? You act like you know me. Trust me I am doing my part. Before you make any assumptions on anybody dig in a little more into the truth. I’m not saying keep watching fox news and when they say that the CIA is good to come back on here saying, “I told you so because I seen it on television” Do some real research. Let us all take our country back. It is called Revolution if you did not know Davis.
revolution Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am
You can’t say anything now can you Davis??? You f---ing dumbf---!!!!
Sam Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Good point those signs are in perfect english and written quite neatly. The CIA has done their part.
End the Fed Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Can you say P-R-O-V-O-C-A-T-E-U-R, sure…. I knew you could. LOL. And just think the aliens on Star Trek spoke perfect English too.
jmc Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
did the under water cable cuts come too soon???or right on time???
June 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
YEAH YEAH YEAH WHATEVER
start production on the obama deception part 2
stop wasting time with these almost useless stories
uchikoma Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Fool you are.
Story from another publication/website this is.
Theywontchipme Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
-10 Internet Points
June 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Well green revolutions are a registered trade mark.
jmc Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
…does tipper gors husbend get a cut from this “green’ thingy???
June 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
That works for Iran but remember the internet is built upon DARPA created by the DOD so when it starts happening in the US they will simply flip the switch and there will be no internet…
Buzz Hacksaw Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
The horror. If this were true, that moment all but those still with INET will be extremly dissorganized and vulnerable. There would be a slaughter somewhere. I would appear we are, all of us, too dependant on INET. Other alternative method or online instruments must be developed. I heard a tecky say once “as long as there is a wire from my house to yours we could connect.”
Buzz
Who Me? Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
While it is true that if there was a cable between you and your friend you “two” would be able to connect to each other (called a LAN Network) this does not mean that you would be able to connect to the internet…
June 26th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
TOR may have been funded, in part, by the US Government (like the internet itself) but it has long since moved beyond the scope and control of the US Government.
I have no doubt the US government, the Israelis, and the British (as well as several others) have been poking around in Iran. But the use of TOR by the Iranian Opposition is no more proof of this than is the fact that they also use the Internet itself.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
rik thomas Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 3:33 am
ken
it’s a troll post. the first posts usually are. i think the plan is to have us all typing away instead of taking action right now in our communities and ourselves.
+h3.d3@d./\/\3$$3l\lg3r Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Hmmm… you may be on to something there, Rik. We should all be wary of straying into such deserts.
Stay on track,
the nwo don’t wait to punch back…
FIGHT! (peacefully of course)
dttnwo
June 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
unless We switch thier FLIP First
June 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
.
It seems extrange that all the protester’s signs are in English where they reject UK and US intervention… It looks like a protest design for TV networks….
.
Peace..
AnonForGreatJustice Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I found that interesting too glad you pointed that out.
jmc Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
..great point SAYWHAT!!!!
June 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
they want to be like american sluts chai kock
June 26th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
whatever the case, it would seem as they are “being allowed” to use this specific software, but a means to what end?
jmc Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
documentation of a civilian based information war …duh!
Samson Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
TOR is easy to get and use. It’s moved beyond military use, and now uses nongovernmental IPs.
June 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Tor is free software. Anyone can use it.
http://www.torproject.org/
Fox Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
agreed. It’s not like the software was designed for the navy just to aid the protests. Iranians also use twitter, facebook and google. WHAT?! TWITTER?! It’s def a color revolution!!!!
June 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
http://911essentials.com wants you to do your best Gomer Pyle impression and say …
Surprise Surprise Surprise.
The people that call themselves the uS government can no longer be trusted about anything they do or say.
911essentials is a primer portal introduction to the New World Order Corporate Banking Police State, its plans for one world government and their worship of the fake science Eugenics.
June 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
And Obama said we were not involved with the situation in Iran and sadly people are eating it up. Its comical and sad.
Rachael M Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I guess everything that he’s said before, regarding non-involvement was a lie. Should I be surprised?
jmc Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
try not to let your brain make the symbolic conection with green and good global go …
June 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
How can you talk about jes… i mean obama like that. he is the greatest man to have ever lived. he promised me he could walk on water, and cure the sick with government healthcare. he cured my herpes with a smile and a wave. there is no way he could lie. every word out of his mouth is the truth. He can change the world if we would just believe in him, and don’t question his intentions. didn’t you see him pull the troops out of Iraq? just like he promised. makes me sick to see so much hatred of the messiah.. err president. if he asked me to walk off a cliff for him I would. he would save me. right?
Buzz Hacksaw Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Nope! An he woodnt’ let a nickle hit the bottom.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
the gvt is busted, along with uk and isreal. nitwits cant even cover their asses right anymore.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
So the Iranian people have the balls to stand up for themselves 9sdomething the american people, including the so called patriot movement would never dare even thinking of) and you guys say it’s a government op.
The so called patriot movement ‘leaders’ have you guys thinking that any action that’s taken is provoced by the gov. Nice way to get you all to stand down.
Sam Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
The protesters are looking to bring into power a former foreign minister who was behind the beirut bombings in the 80’s that documented.
The protesters are a small minority and font forget Iran is a nation of 70 million. The protesters are located in the north of Iran and are of rich and privledged origins. In history it has always been the case, to where a government like ahmedinijad who tries to resist tyranny gets sanctions placed on the country, while the rich loose their privlidges. So then you got the butcher of bierut ( Mousavi ) talking about how he is going to privatise the country and straightaway the sheep think $$$$$.
Ahmedijad and the majority of Iran, are ready to take on the NWO. Hands to the wall, cornered from every angle. For Iran this is life and death.
Its about time you wake up and know that these protesters are only looking out for their own benefit, and forgetting the NWO’s preditory beliefs of occupation and usurping businesses.
the patriot movement, hahahahah Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Shows what you know.
You’re telling me to ‘wake up’. Yawn.
Ahmedi has publicly called for a nwo several times.
You don’t even know what you’re talking bout.
Sam Reply:
June 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
What he called for was the breaking apart of the current influential countries such as the u.s., france, Israel, England, Georgie etc .
While shouting out to other nations such as Lebanon, Venuzuela, Syria, Argentina etc to oppose their control and to become independant while having ties to each other in which they could have trade and prosperity and modernise without having The NWO being involved or having its hawkish sanctions placed on anywhere who wishes to resist.
You didnt even watch the speech, or do you know what the people or leaders feel and want.
June 26th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
HERE: Stream and Download ALL the best interviews and rants from the Alex Jones Show Archives:
http://alex-jones-archives.politicsfiles.info/
TODAY:
- Webster Tarpley:What’s Next for The NWO?
- Pro-Lifer Mark Crutcher:Illegal Activites Inside The Abortion Industry !!
- Pastor Dave Jones & Dean Broyles:Acting Under Color of Law!!
Backup your favorite episodes, don’t miss any!
June 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
This article proves nothing.
The internet was developed for military purposes, as well. And what happened? It moved beyond those purposes. The same thing with TOR (which is easy to get and use, despite what some of the posters above say.) If you use TOR, and look at the IPs, most are not government. This happened when TOR went public. Why else would individuals, such as hackers, use TOR if it was indeed monitored by the government, as some of you have claimed?
One more thing:
So according the logic and purpose of why this article was posted… The internet was developed by the military, and Alex Jones and the Truth Movement extensively use the internet. Therefore, Alex Jones and crew must be CIA shills, payed to divert our attention from any real issues.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m55.....=1&l=e
June 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
http://iansbrain.com/2009/06/1.....-election/
June 27th, 2009 at 12:29 am
As someone who’s been involved in information technology fields for a long time, and someone who has used TOR through out the years, I have to tell you: TOR is not run by the government.
Samson is correct so I’ll quote him:
“The internet was developed for military purposes, as well. And what happened? It moved beyond those purposes. The same thing with TOR (which is easy to get and use, despite what some of the posters above say.) If you use TOR, and look at the IPs, most are not government. This happened when TOR went public. Why else would individuals, such as hackers, use TOR if it was indeed monitored by the government, as some of you have claimed?
One more thing:
So according the logic and purpose of why this article was posted… The internet was developed by the military, and Alex Jones and the Truth Movement extensively use the internet. Therefore, Alex Jones and crew must be CIA shills, payed to divert our attention from any real issues.”
Great point Samson.
While we know that this Iranian uprising is at least partly to blame on a CIA, NGO, campaign, let’s not draw conclusions that cannot be substantiated. Its a non sequitur as Samson pointed out above.
doo doo caca Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 8:19 am
This site and a lot of the people who come here are all about drawing conclusions that only fit the view that they have already constructed for themselves. Anyone who says otherwise is a troll. They like to say troll a lot.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:30 am
New Things Happening At http://www.brandonkastning.net – Forums Just Launched! MISSION TRUTH!
June 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I’ve been running a TOR routing node for years, and I’m pretty sure I haven’t been getting checks from the feds. I’m sure USGOV uses TOR. Anonymity is good for spies as well as freedom fighters. I run my node as a way of putting it to the man. Who knows how many people have avoided government scrutiny, or the RIAA in part by using my node. If you guys are serious about fighting fascism (corporate power) replace your microsoft crapware with open source. I prefer the Ubuntu Linux distro for an operating system, Mozilla.org products for browser, email client, and calender, Openoffice.org for document creation software (equivalent of MSoffice). There is even an open source first person shooter game (like quake) Alien Arena 2009.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I lived in the US for 20+ years and frequently told when trying to wake people up back int he mid 70s that “if you don’t like it here in God’s country, the land of the free, why don’t you leave?”
I did 10 years ago, and found myself more free surrounded by more intelligent people who were just as kind and generous as my former fellow americans.
Trust not a single Gov’t agency.
Educate yourself, independently.
Think about what the CIA has admitted, been suspected of and look again at those protest signs.
Surely the Iranian gov’t is no worse than ours – remember the republicans stole at least one election, maybe two; and would have gone for a third if they could make it seem the vote was a closer decision in the last one Thank God it was not too close to call this last time we’d have republican prez for sure, but sadly as I’ve suspected and told those I’ve tried to awaken; POTUS is a puppet and has been since Kennedy in my opinon.
Pease, out…
June 27th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Sorry, keyboard batteries are fading…
1st paragraph should read:
I lived in the US for 20+ years and was frequently told when trying to wake up people back in the mid/late 70s that “If you don’t like it here in God’s country, the land of the free, why don’t you leave?”
June 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
You only know what you think you’ve been taught
June 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Alex Jones and the “infowarriors” would take away a piece of old bread from a starving person if it was given to them by the CIA.
Shame on them.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am
This seems to be the “I HATE AMERICA” thread on this board. And boy howdy, do the lot of you hate this nation. Libertarian, above says “Surely the Iranian gov’t is no worse than ours…”. This is about a nation that beheads or stones people for; adultery, pre-marital sex, parental disrespect, and other “crimes”. If the people dare to demonstrate against the government they can EXPECT to be beaten [not just whacked] with truncheons and shot. In Iran, when you protest the government you are defying the religous leadership that control everything. Ahmedijad has even called for a “New World Order” in several speeches. So it strikes me quite strangely that the lot of you here denounce these Iranian protests.
You think you are so awake, but your wooly fleece is showing. Baaaaa
June 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Hi Davis,
You are right: I should have clarified my post about the Iranian Gov’t being like ours was meant strictly when it comes to stifling dissent.
As you correctly point out the US doesn’t (yet) punish people barbarically for minor crimes in those specific ways you mention.
However, we do have a lock ‘em up and throw away the key approach to many a minor crime in the good ole US of A which I know some people in other parts of the world look at and shake their head in wonder over.
No place is perfect, all places have a peculiar mix of good and not so good.
We must endeavour to find a place with a mix of good and not so good that we can live with and I just couldn’t live with the american mix over the decades. Better yet, people could/should be able to create their own society with a mix of good and not so good that they like, but alas the vehicle for so doing has been hijacked…
Sadly the US mix of good and not so good developed over the past 10 years is being exported around the (western) world fairly quickly.
It’s maybe important also to note that I love America, and almost all Americans – espeically the ideas and ideals about America taught to me in High School during the 70s. It saddens me that I wil probably never go back after what happened to me the last time – but that’s another story for another day.
Trust not a single Gov’t agency.
Educate yourself, independently at that.
Safe.
June 27th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
It is very true that our government has been hijacked, just as Iran’s has. But what really troubles me is that the “officials” doing most od the finger pointing are from the crooked Iranian regeme that is desperately trying to retain power. And the bulk of the readers of this board are so gullible that they just say “Yup, more CIA stuff, evil bastards”. They accept the accusations of the corrupt government that is also busy beating and shooting the protesters. The other 10 to 16 deaths that occured off camera don’t seem to matter. It is rather evident to me that the Iranian government is the culprit in these deaths. Government should only come from a mandate from the people. [Please lets NOT rehash Bush, BOTH canidates slugged it out in court and only 1 can win.] When an election is SO obviously rigged and people take to the street, th least WE should do is support their effort for freedom. And I noticed that lots of folks say a lot about freedom here.
The Glorified Janitor Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Alot off people here don’t like Mosavi because he helped kill hundreds of Marines in Beriut in 1984. There are a lot of Marines that would love to kill him. He would nuke Isreal and New York just as fast as Maqmoud.The real CIA/M16 guy is Prince Pahlavi son of the Shah.
The only way the kids in Iran are ever going to have a chance to go to discotechs and pop ecxtasy and and have extra marital sex like American kids is with a Savak like crack down on the Islamist Fundelmentalist.
As more and more Americans begin to distrust thier government, some see the Islamic Revolution as a hedge against The Empire that stole the freedoms and economic future of America.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Hello Info warriors,
Here is an interesting article I saw on the internet written by an author who goes under the name Karmasurfer here I reproduce it which gives a little info on who is the most Powerful person in the World and it aint the President of the United States. It is more like the head of state of the United Kingdom.
I guess it is true all trouble in the world can be traced back to the City of London. Or Babylon-don as some would say.
That is why when Khamenei said Britain is the most Evil of all the nations. We at infowars know exactly what he meant. He was referring to the British Global Elite like Queen Elisabeth the last of the Hysos Hebrew Zionist Jewish Egyptian Pharoes out of Egypt.
According to Micheal Tsarion, remember that the the Egyptian people rose up against the Hyksos Hebrew Pharoes like Queen Nefertiti and Akhenaten and kicked these tyrants out.
Apparently the shame of being booted out of Egypt they started building their New World Order from that point on. Sure they lost their beloved Egyptian Throne so what they do? They are conquer the entire world to make up for it and put their Luciferian dark solar cult as the one world religion.
——————————————————————
who rules the world?
Kamasurfer
http://karmasurfer.blogspot.co.....world.html
Ever get the feeling you’ve been lied to your whole life? I don’t mean discovering your parents lied to you about the Easter Bunny or finding out fluoride was not only bad for your teeth but was rat poison or that your parents were really brother and sister. I mean something so Earth shaking that it’ll pulverize the bedrock of your whole belief system to the point it’ll spin you in a completely different direction.
Ralph Ellis wrote a book called “Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs” where he claims Jesus was the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra and named Ptolemy XV, the last of the Ptolemic Pharaohs, or as Julius liked to call him, Caesarian, which means little Caesar. When Caesar was named god by the Roman senate, he was considered god to the whole world. Caesarian was also recognized as god in Egypt as the son of Cleopatra. She named him king of kings at the age of 13. When Julius got knifed by the senate, his son Octavian took control of Rome and ordered Caesarian dead. Cleopatra feared for the life of her first born son, and sent him to India with her most trusted servants, who became parent guardians to watch out for him. Could these servants be Mary and Joseph? For anonymity, his name was changed to Esau, which means son of Isis, and just happens to be the Egyptian name for Jesus.
In 1887 Nicolas Notovitch wrote a book called “The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ” which tells of his discovery of ancient scrolls that tell of a philosopher named Isa who arrived as a teenage boy from a small Mediterranean country to study the teachings of Buddha, five hundred years after Buddha died, which coincided with the lost years of Jesus.
Now here’s the freaky part.
Mary Magdalene, or Cleopatra Selene, was the half sister of Jesus. She’s also identified in the Bible as Mary Cleopus or Mary of Cleopatra.
The wedding Jesus and Mary Magdalene attended was actually their wedding, otherwise the Bible would have said something about their hosts. (I guess incest is best)
Since Jesus lost everything because of Octavian Caesar, he wanted to get it back so he had a plan to take over the Roman Empire, by starting a new religion and turn it into the Holy Roman Empire.
Since Jesus was well trained in ayurvedics and meditation and able to shut off pain, and since he had a foot pad on his cross to hold his weight, and since he was on the cross for only six hours before his friends got him down and immediately took care of his wounds with expensive healing oils and herbs, is it possible he survived his crucifixion and allowed his death and resurrection to go on as a way to solidify his new religion? Was this all part of the plan?
Now these people were far from poor. Mary Magdalene, or Cleopatra Selene, was wealthy, as were all of their friends. Their bloodlines were directly from Caesar, Cleopatra, Alexander, and the greatest nobility the world has ever seen. These were very rich people with a plan to take over the world.
And this bloodline traveled 2,000 years to Queen Elizabeth herself.
That’s right. Elizabeth is the last Hebrew Pharaoh and ruler of the world with The Vatican as the religious head and Rothschild as world banker.
Hey, don’t take my word for it. This stuff is out there if you dig for it.
Bulls---, you say? Well, just keep your eye on Prince William. Sure as God made little green apples he’ll emerge as the world ruler in five years. That is, if we live that long.
Karmasurfer
July 7th, 2009 at 4:32 am
TOR is not an encryption software. A proxy and a data encryption are two different things… idiots.