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Islamic group says four alleged US plotters ‘not real Muslims’
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The National
June 2, 2009
The recent arrest of four New York men for allegedly plotting to attack Jewish centres raised fears among American Muslims the incident would reinforce extremist views of them as an ever-present danger in US society.
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“We say there is no place for any terrorism in Islam, period. Some people abuse the faith out of their own tribal agendas. These four guys were not even practising Muslims. They had criminal backgrounds and some had girlfriends,” Mr Baig said.
This view of the plotters as outside mainstream Muslim society helps to explain why the alleged bomb plots were usurped by the financial crisis and its moral implications as the most discussed topic at last weekend’s three-day ICNA conference, attended by up to 12,000 people in Hartford, Connecticut.
Muslim community leaders have tried to distance themselves even more from the plotters in recent days, with many issuing statements of concern over the use of an informant by US law enforcement agencies to catch the men, who aimed to bomb two New York synagogues and shoot down military planes in Newburgh, about 110 kilometres north of the city.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 am
[Quran 6:151] “…… You shall not kill – Allah has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand.”
[Quran17:33] “You shall not kill any person – for Allah has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. …..”
[Quran 5:87] … and do not aggress; Allah dislikes the aggressors.
[Quran: 7:199] ……You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.
[Quran 49:13]“O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. Allah is Omniscient, Cognizant. ”
[Quran 8:61]“If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in Allah. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.”
[Quran 4:90]“…… Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then Allah gives you no excuse to fight them.”
4w578i Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 am
…unless they don’t pay the head tax.
Hael from Detroit Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Lol u dick
chairman mao Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
whats a ‘head tax’?
Tomasz Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Greetings:
The “Head tax”(How did you get that name?) must refer to Jizyah.
When the Muslim Caliphate let Non-muslims live in the society, they would charge them a once yearly tax in order that they live in the Society.
Muslims are obligated and mandated to pay a once yearly tax of 2.5% on whatever they don’t use on household expenses and living expenses yearly.
123 Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
You shouldn’t refer to the 2.5% as tax. The Arabic term for it would be ‘Zakat’ a.k.a alms.
“One of the most important principles of Islam is that all things belong to God, and that wealth is therefore held by human beings in trust. The word Zakat means both ‘purification’ and ‘growth’. Our possessions are purified by setting aside a proportion for those in need, and, like the pruning of plants, this cutting back balances and encourages new growth.”
2.5% of your left over income should be paid to the poor and needy whether it maybe directly or though a trusted organisation.
123 Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
through a trusted organisation.**
Tomasz Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Greetings:
The “Head tax”(How did you get that name?) must refer to Jizyah.
When the Muslim Caliphate let Non-muslims live in the society, they would charge them a once yearly tax in order that they live in the Society.
Muslims are obligated and mandated to pay a once yearly tax of 2.5% on whatever they don’t use on household expenses and living expenses yearly.
hipo Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Thx Eric
Hael from Detroit Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Hey bud, I don’t know if you’re a muslim or not, but thank you very much for that.
Jet Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
It is so sad that this information will not reach so many idiots out their. Alex Jones needs to have a channel on direct/dish networks. I’d pay $50 a month to see that happen
Tomasz Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
FROM THE QUR’AN(THE NOBLE BOOK):
“And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.”
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #75)
88 Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance).
89 They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
90 Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.
سورة النساء
An-Nisa | 176 verses | The Women”
hipo Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
When the famous nameless sayes kill them it means give them an “E”
There by enabling a little one to One.
See: chapter 76 Al-Insan ” THE MAN”.
or How to make a pearl which is in fact the insoluable base amphetamine
3,4, MethyleneDioxy `n` Methyl Amphetamine (3,4 MDMA).
Tomasz Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Greetings:
From The Qur’an(The Noble book):
Al-Insan | 31 verses | The man | سورة الإنسان
“1 There surely came over man a period of time when he was a thing not worth mentioning.
2 Surely We have created man from a small life-germ uniting (itself): We mean to try him, so We have made him hearing, seeing.
3 Surely We have shown him the way: he may be thankful or unthankful.
4 Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.
5 Surely the righteous shall drink of a cup the admixture of which is camphor
6 A fountain from which the servants of Allah shall drink; they make it to flow a (goodly) flowing forth.
7 They fulfill vows and fear a day the evil of which shall be spreading far and wide.
8 And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive:
9 We only feed you for Allah’s sake; we desire from you neither reward nor thanks:
10 Surely we fear from our Lord a stern, distressful day.
11 Therefore Allah win guard them from the evil of that day and cause them to meet with ease and happiness;
12 And reward them, because they were patient, with garden and silk,
13 Reclining therein on raised couches, they shall find therein neither (the severe heat of) the sun nor intense cold.
14 And close down upon them (shall be) its shadows, and its fruits shall be made near (to them), being easy to reach.
15 And there shall be made to go round about them vessels of silver and goblets which are of glass,
16 (Transparent as) glass, made of silver; they have measured them according to a measure.
17 And they shall be made to drink therein a cup the admixture of which shall be ginger,
18 (Of) a fountain therein which is named Salsabil.
19 And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. “
hipo Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
The purple stain at the junction of the oxide and the clean metal is mainly cinnanimic acid.
hipo Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
The smell of ginger is flamable fair enough but not much more than petrol.
Buffalo Nuts Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
if they let them get in the mosque and kneel towards mecca,then they are moslems and the faithful will accept them until its convienent not to claim them…..those morons were proud to claim al-lah and talk bad about whitey…now the faithful can pay the price for letting them into the club
attila the hun Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
then i suppose christians should pay the price for bush and cheney and hitler etc being in the “club” eh?
xavier Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Anyone is allowed to come into the Mosque (exept for mecca), regardless if you are muslim or non muslims, we muslims cant say to another person “hey! get out of the mosque, you are not allowed here!” Unless there is a good reason for not allowing them acess into the mosque.
plus now we know that these people were actually christians! as we learned in the infowars article a few weeks ago. Why doesnt the media label them as christian terrorists?
rob base Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Muslims generally are such hypocrites. The weak amongst them decry others as ‘non-muslims’ when it suits them yet all muslims believes that muhummad is the last messenger of G_d. Muslims believe that the whole world should be run under sharia (muslim) law and that those who do not believe as they do are condemned as ‘kuffir’ (non believers). The arab muslim in the USA is the biggest coward there is. Funny how living with the ‘Great Satan’ is preferable to living in the Middle East.
rob base Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Perhaps the ‘real muslims’ are in the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia? A bunch of whore mongering hypocrites who frequent the whorehouses of Paris and the casinos of Monte Carlo with their ill gotten wealth. These ‘real muslims’ think nothing of buying a football club in the UK for $800 million and then bid $200 million for a single player whilst muslims in Palestine starve. Salaam alaikum you pricks.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 am
Neither is Mike Tyson a “real Muslim”,nor are half of the blacks in the US prison system “real Muslims”,they are just defiant, antiAmerican’s who wish to make a statement.
Queen Lib Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
That’s a real stupid statement. do you even know any “REAL” Muslims??? Based from that statement, I really doubt it.
Real Muslims could care less about Americans, they just want to be left alone. The west is constantly interfering with other countries and cultures.
An European Voize Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
that way you aren’t real in what you say at least
can’t you just be happy that islamic people want to show peace?
I am no muslim but I know many and most of them are a good example to us,
surely to you, with your racist talk
you certainly are not one of ‘us’ for me, if you talk like that!
still I respect your view
hipo Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Quite I didn`t join I was conscripted but the ones that I`ve met seem to have few interests outside of prayer they are a funny bunch just let them pray and they are happy enough
I didn`t get that much out of prayer my self but I did learn how to be super hygenic.
Jet Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I agree.. You must remember though that most americans are brain washed fake Christians who only care about what they can buy next and of course that next awesome vacation.
Ace's &Eight's Reply:
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
You Stinking Muslims aren’t fooling anyone .Do America and all European countries a huge favor and get the hell out NOW !
chairman mao Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
you have no way of knowing if tyson or anyone else is muslim if you dont know them
same with u.s. christians—they are all christian in name
but when they do wrong like bush et al other christians say “he is not a real christian”
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
you sound like that you fell for the propaganda the U.S. Government has put out about muslims since the fall of Iran…..when the NWO and Military was chased out of Iran, the banking system lost because the Russians stepped up to the plate…..go forward to The Alfred Murrah Building bombing in Oklaholma City and how the Muslims were blamed just after it happened, with in minutes,I can go on and on….look at how when you are indocrinated in Military Boot Camp how the enemy painted in the minds of the recruits is Muslim…..all of this feeds into the NWO’s plan for world domination…..divide and conquer tactics…..most of he true patriots on this site see through this ruse….and the only ones who will bitch and complain are those who are still sleep walking through life, and the trolls who are committed to their master, Molech
wellsaid Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
WELL SAID! Well said indeed!! Bravo!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 am
When the govenrment trys to find these people, they look for individuals that are already messed up in the head and give them money and gifts to basically bribe them to stage “terror attacks”. Of course they are going to find people to do this. Then they label them terrorists and take away more of our freedoms. That simple…..
Hey everyone I made a video…Ranging on a few different subjects…Check it out please…
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Dave Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
That’s right,terrorism whether real,imagined or created by the government is beneficial to the expansion of government.
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
not just that, but the Muslims are the only group, religious or otherwise, to take on the NWO head on in the fight for liberty with in their soverign countries…the nwo think they are slick with all of their monopolisation of key institutions around the developed world….the third world does not want them….they dont want the hollywood-fake-assed-life that the developed world fantasy’s about in their heart of hearts….the irrational exuberance of american idol and reality tv….keep it all over with in your borders…..just like with Rome and the lead pipes, Americans are decadent, greedy and uncaring with the actions of “their” Gvt…..and now the rest of the world is supposed to live the way you do…..give me a break
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
like with rome and the lead pipes America has GMO foods, growth hormones, and flouride to become just like the Romans you are
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am
Some or most like Alex and followers have a { Paranoidpersonalitydisorder } be a good citizen go back to work spend time with your family’s and friends do not be bothered with matters that are not yours ……. Aleichem Shalom
MattR Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
We also have a term for people like you my friend, “Sheeple”..Go back to your house, gather up your family and sit down and watch mainstream news. Everything will be ok. I for one am not paranoid at the least. I know whats going on in the world outside of mainstream news. It is good to be informed about things and take views on subjects from other sources. If anyone is paranoid its the American people about terrorism and all the other bullshit they get fed through the idiot box. Why else would people be so easy to give their freedoms away??? And we are the paranoid ones, no my friend we are AWARE….Have a good day…Peace
Hael from Detroit Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Gotchu fuck face, wake up or get the hell out of here.
Jet Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
We need to help the Ron Paul grassroots grow. Let’s make shirts that gives Ron the same Hollywood glare that Obama’s dumb a** got. I would hope everyone is willing to open up their wallets so we can help curb obama’s cash cow in the next election. (Which I feel he wont get as much.) They are going to try and run a black republican against obama. Do any of you know who might be their guy? It’s not going to palin ya know. I’m gearing up for the next election. Sorry a bit off subject, but we really need to get organized if we want to stop the obama following.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 am
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June 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
The more the economy crashes the more “patsies” the government will try and recruit.
NEXT time this may be one of your family members who is hard up for money.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am
The “Israelis” are nearly as easily led as so many Americans are.
The United States gov-corp has milked this ‘war on terror’ /staged drama for all they can..and then some, but seems that the Isreali gov-corp milks their situaions too….and the Israeli population eats it up.
A piece here on how the United States co-operates ( AND HAS BEEN ) with the Shia – Iranian leaders of Iran. Of course, the Israeli gov-corp continues to bombard to it’s citizens the so – called Iranian threat; even though Israel is THE most heavily armed country in the region, hands down and without a doubt.
See how “governments” can easily lead their masses?
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m54.....=1&l=e
Hael from Detroit Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Shias were only possibly helped with the so called disarming of Saddam Hussein as the Iraqi leader, but a real Shia, a real muslim at that knows to stay away from such western operations since they are all part of a corrup agenda. Other than that, you’re absolutely right, Israel is armed to the teeth at our expense, we should all stop paying taxes.
bar abbas = son of god Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Hello Detroit
I believe the United States corporate-government and those that fall in line, will and do need “Iran” in regards to Af-Pak and those plots.
On the outside, Iran, Israel and the US put up alot of bluff and show for the camaers, the media and their citizens; ( they dont need to fluster their citizen’s “patriotism” and the governemnts have to put on a ‘patriotic show too. But, behind closed doors…away from the eyes of the curious citiiznes of Iram US and Israel……sweetheart deals are being made.
Last week the ‘presidents’ of Afghanistan, Israel and Iran met and I don’t believe they were spending much time talking about soccer or if the hottest bellydancers come out of Lebanon, Turkey or Egypt. The ‘leader’ of Pakistan has sold out to killing his own countrymen and then the collateral damges are labeled as Taliban fighters. These 3; Iran, Afgahnistan and Iran ( along with the United States, will and are trying to join up to push into that region even deeper. Israel is of course in there too and making alot of noise to make it appear to it’s citiizens that Iran is a ‘threat’.
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
how does the average American feel about being Isreal’s biotch….I mean I am only telling the truth….take your heads out of the sand and do something about it, or are you afraid of the ADL and SPLC putting your name on their hit list……America’s Patriots are in a position to really make the change needed so that our world can grow into the “golden Age” talked about in religious philosophy……3% defeated the british in the revoulutionary war…..if 5% of America cares, they can be done with it in 6 months time, and the same goes with the Isreali people…..
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“Islamic group says four alleged US plotters ‘not real Muslims’”
Neither were any of the so-called 9/11 “hijackers.”
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
nor the oklaholma city bomber
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
The “real” threat in the Middle East started with David Rockefeller’s (and the rest of his clan) association, influence, and subsequent rescue of the Shaw of Iran.
The “real” threat in the Middle East ends with David Rockefeller (and the rest of his clan) shooting themselves in the head.
We are really in Afghanistan — not because of “politics” — BUT, INSTEAD, because of 240 million tons of copper that Rockefeller (and the rest of his clan) want to steal.
rom Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
yea like it is called the NWO’s footprint into Asia….the Russians and Chinese are not playing that $hit homeboy…..no one has ever taken Afghanistan…….who are the NWO kidding????
Mac-101 Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
I beleive we have dedicated almost 1 BILLION to build a road from Nothern Afghanistan to south of Kabul so the Red Chinese can mine the copper. Many mountains here are a bronze color since their is no vegatatoin and the majority of the country is overgrazed so that their is practically NO vegitation anywhere other than the valleys.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Lol supposedly one of the guys kept leavin Qurans everywhere, at strip club? R u serious? And then his passport miraculously survived the WTC explosions, like, do people seriously eat this shit? Seriously?
Gary Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Apparently so. Millions are still eating it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
we all want to be left alone and live in peace. we live in north america,let’s stand shoulder to shoulder for our rights so our children will live in free and peaceful world.
Gary Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Yeah. Maybe if we all sing “We Are the World” that will help, too, eh?
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
“Iranian diplomats” coming for the 4th of July festivities in America. ? Know more ‘axis of evil’ ??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....iran_july4
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June 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Bullshit you cant say they werent real muslims because they smoke pot and had girlfriends. Not defending them but its articles like this that p*ss me off because i am a muslim, i have a girlfriend, i smoke pot. Religion is something spiritual between you and god alone not a set criteria that you fall into. This sh*t is just ignorant!
xavier Reply:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
why cant you say that? its been Prooven they were not muslims at all, they are Chritians! they follow the bible!
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Xavier, you need to layoff Paddysally’s weed. Whatever the “Magnificient 19″ were, I highly doubt they were Christians.
Corect me if I am wrong, but we all are born muslims. TO revert one only has to saya the magical words three times and they have REVERTED to becoming a Muslim once again. Was the REVERT who wacked those two privates a true Muslim, or did he misundertand “The Religion of Peace”?
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 am
i became muslim back in 2002, sense then i have learned alot about how the world works, and i have to say some of you so called patriots really make me sick!!!!
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
sorry to seem to spam but this is very important to all who seek the truth and to help show how deep the cover up goes.this mans life was destoryed because what he descovered. there are many disinfo agents that try to discredit him have even killed people involved with him that where tryin to help get this info out. he was even shoot, this is the first vid but there are like 18 i suggest you also reserch his name you will find a few sites that attack him because of what he knows. they are disinfo site for sure but please watch with an open mind.
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June 3rd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Brothers, sisters, do you not see you are biting into exactly what they want you to? You vest all of your hopes and dreams in your religeon and will fiercely defend it against any “Non-believer”. This is how wars are started. This is why our children starve. This is why we willfully and happily brainwash ourselves. Do not fight eachother over the meanings of a writing in a fake book designed for you to die for. Religeon is the root of all evil. You will see a good, peaceful man turn aggressive and enraged if you comment on his religeon. Love your brothers and sisters because we are all one. We share this earth and we share the field of eternity. If you insist on believing in something, believe in yourself. You are the key to your own happiness and prosperity. You are the key to your brothers happiness and prosperity. Love is the cure, anger, racism, fear and religeon is the disease. Cleanse yourself.
June 4th, 2009 at 8:08 am
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June 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Religion is the solution for everything.
All good what we talk about came from faith.(Religion)
Peace, honesty, truth, living together, Scarify own wishes for other, Share, Live for good, love, Passion, (being poor and stay happy) more, more and more.
Hate, Lie, selfishness all others are products of a non-believer.
If there is no punishment for a thief, may be 90% for the world become thief.
There are diseases of spiritual and physical kind.
In today’s world we have different punishments for physical but no cure/accountability for spiritual.
I am 100% sure blaming religion is more of Self-Worshiping.
I have seen religious people before been materialized they are the best people around.
Even the non-religious people have some % religion, so they do well.
Today what we have so many different religion expect one all are product of self-worshipping/Ego/Power/Control/Materialism.
All in one. If you believe in death then you will know when it comes to you. That is living was given to test you.