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It’s Time To Bring Back The BBS Network
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Strategy & Tactics
November 3, 2009
Before the World Wide Web (WWW) came into its own in the latter 1990’s, the BBS or Bulletin Board System was the popular means of communicating by computer.
In fact, CompuServe started out as little more than a subscription BBS that I remember signing onto with a 300/1200 baud modem – that’s slow – and the service was priced by the speed used to access it. It was straight line text. When America Online came in with GeoWorks software, subscribers were given a graphic interface that was easy to use but soon replaced by HTML.
However, aside from a few big dial-up services such as CommpuServe and AOL, the country was linked by a network of individually operated BBS’s that for some was a way of life. They offered games, file downloads, and discussion boards that attracted users and kept hobby oriented sysops (system operators) happily occupied.
A few of these BBS’s had some national recognition, in other words, some people used them despite the high cost of long distance telephone service at the time. There were even one or two slick magazines devoted exclusively to the BBS and the sysops that ran them. Slick magazines meant the advertisers saw money, there. Yes, they were popular.
During the 1990’s, there were probably a couple dozen such BBS’s just in our local area. Nationwide, there were thousands. With the WWW taking hold in the latter 1990’s, the BBS’s began to fade away completely, or take to the Internet by way of Telnet. And today, there are only some 400 BBS’s left within the USA and Canada. These are Telnet BBS’s, accessed through the Internet. As for the old-style dial-up modem BBS, only 40 exist, virtually all accessible by Telnet as well.
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Because the dial-up Bulletin Board System relies on a network of private BBS’s, the only way to shut it down would be to eliminate land-line telephone service.
Anything that can be turned into a zip file can be transmitted by BBS. And such files spread quickly over the system for download and use nationwide. Sysops wanting to keep their boards and information fresh, insured this.
There was also Fidonet, a BBS message board system that loosely interconnected participating BBS’s and would spread information across the boards overnight.
Dial-up BBS’s ran on the simplest equipment, IBM PC’s or PC-XT’s, 286’s, 386’s and maybe a few 486’s near the end of their popularity. Most used only a single phone line, though some sysops would pay for two or more lines to increase capacity. But because there were so many BBS’s, a user could generally hook up with one whenever they wanted, and some would jump around from board to board. Fidonet helped keep the flow of information in sync.
You can find BBS software free online. We used Searchlight (SLBBS) and there is an archive of old SLBBS software available. If you happened to be involved as a sysop or even an active user and preferred another software, archives for Wildcat and others must be available, as well. You will need MS-DOS to run most of it, though some was being made for Windows 95, the last version of Windows before the Internet. A modem communications program such Ripterm or Qmodem (both handling RIP graphics for SLBBS) would also be needed. Callers would need such communication software, as well.
With the Internet in peril and the free flow of news and information in jeopardy, the old-style dial-up BBS would be the ideal way to decentralize the flow and take it out of the hands of the government/media cabal.
We should begin taking steps toward bringing back the dial-up (not Telnet Internet dependent) BBS right now, or at least being ready with the software (and, if necessary, possibly some antiquated computer equipment and operating systems) to quickly put the individual Bulletin Board Systems back into play.
It might not be as pretty as the web has become, but in time of need, would be very functional.
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November 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Great idea!
jenchillada Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Are you kidding? This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard since coming to this site. Technology does not go backwards. You can’t reverse time. This shit is just starting to get stupid on here now!
Go all out and build yourself a CB radio and talk to who? Talk to the same idiot you were talking to on a corded landline or a cell. You’re still talking to a f##king moron!
john jay Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
this is exactly what I have been talking about for a while now. we need to be prepared for the internet getting shut down. this is not stepping backward this is being prepared. unless your al gore and you can invent your own internet
Fall of the Republic for FREE Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Before the web gets shut down, share Alex’s latest movie for FREE
http://falloftherepublic.webs.com/
Marc Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Can we stop obamas tiny little nipples? obamasnips.com
woot Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Out of the handful of people that get onto sites like this that actually seek the truth need to exploit sites like yahoo.com with their POPULAR SEARCHES feature. Type in phrases like NWO, DEATH OF THE DOLLAR, COPENHAGEN, and the like and see if it gets on the listed feature. Lead them to the door and let THEM open it…..
Corporate Death Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am
It’s time to bring back:
the Model T, oil lamps, churning our own butter, wire recorders, smoke signals, wishful thinking, bread and circuses and May West.
The BBS…come on. Seriously, this is an April Fool’s joke. Right? What about the pony express and the darn ol’ telegraph? Might as well bring back Abe Lincoln while you’re at it.
sheesh…Infobores needs an editor.
Justin Thought Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:03 am
That’s right, deathman, it might be time for that – because once the good ol’ USSA gets hold of the electrical system, the food chain, and the technology, we might just HAVE to use oil lamps, churn our own butter, and maybe even use smoke signals.
The BBSs were extremely primitive, but the more primitive something is, the harder it is to control it.
Or, if you INSIST on a higher-tech fix, I saw an article recently about how many people are starting to setup their own wireless networks using inexpensive wireless modems. Such a system would at least allow local organizations (such as patriot movements, hint, hint) to remain in contact with all the ease and comfort of the internet in case there were some kind of devastating interruption of the w-w-w.
But just jumping in and saying what a dumb idea this is smacks of . . . psyop? Good boy, go collect your thirty pieces of silver.
Corporate Death Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:36 am
“But just jumping in and saying what a dumb idea this is smacks of . . . psyop? Good boy, go collect your thirty pieces of silver.”
Not everyone who contributes contrarian viewpoints is a troll you f-ing tool. Shove your “good boy” up you arse.
Your brief diatribe is some hackneyed attempt to prove your moral superiority? GTFO
Justin Thought Reply:
November 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Lessee…
Light on facts and information – check!
Heavy on the personal attack – check!
If you’re NOT cointel – what are you doing working for free? Applications being taken at Langley, Virginia. Don’t miss this opportunity!
UK Expat Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:47 am
im no expert but if things are so bad they pull the plug on the internet wont they also just pull the phone lines too? CB sounds a better bet, but even then, in a martial law situation all you will be doing is giving your position away – time to breed pigeons?
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:52 am
yes, that’s what I was thinking. read up on the rf internet the hams have going. they can’t really close down the RF spectrum. Plus sending data by radio is free, no phone charges even.
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
May I suggest people get Ham radios and get their licences. You can do packet radio with Ham. maelsrom is right sending data by radio is free. Linux has supported doing packet radio in the kernal for YEARS. Start by getting in touch with your local Ham radio club, learn about it and building your own antena’s, setting up packet radio etc…
C3PO Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Someones lazy
soldier Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
go back to your video games then. Just be sure to report to the nearest FEMA camp when your number is called.
tony tyler Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
acutally you laugh about it but there are still alot of communications that are used to transmit data. i use ham radio hf frequencies to talk all over the united states, and it is kind of funny you mention c.b. radio, in the event that communications are taken away from us c.b. radio, gmrs frequencies and ham radio frequencies could be used to get data across. without communication it isolates you from the rest of the world and gives a person alot less chance of hearing what is going on.. chances are probally low we will have to use these other sources of communication but you never know.
Susan Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Tony, You never know. In World War II in France and Germany, they experienced
this VERY problem, and communicated by the rudimentary communication methods mentioned above. Our officials remember this FACT OF HISTORY very well, and learned from it. Let’s learn from it also, and be as prepared as possible. Don’t be too addicted to the attractive graphics, bells and whistles of Google and the World Wide Web. We should at least know how to access this BBS, for safety’s sake.
Roberto Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Not bad idea to buy a short wave radio also, like the old ones.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am
The owl is lonely under a full moon.
mikextx Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
That is correct,i pulled my president 2510 out of the closet about 3 months ago,im, not a ham radio operator,but my radio does have ham frequencies,so i can hear whats going on,so people can laugh if they want,but it wont be funny when the crap hits the fan and they have no from of communication.
tony tyler Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:28 am
remember the hr 2510. i have the rci 2950 .. it seems to be a good radio.. it is better to be safe than sorry… at least it would give some type of communication..
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am
ive got an old receiver that picks up short medium and longwave, and some weird soviet freqs.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
HAMNET already exists.
Susan Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Jenchillada – This is a free country, and if you don’t like what is being reported or expressed on this site, you are perfectly free to NOT log on. Exercise your Liberty,
buddy.
ron Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
if you notice, this article is not from infowars.com , they are simply sharing it. calm down.
Howard H Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Technology does go backward when it interferes with the ruling class. Download this PDF file and read beginning on page 16 about the suppression of the printing press by the Ottoman Turks.
http://www.econ.uconn.edu/working/2009-12.pdf
If it happened with Guttenburg’s invention, it could hapopen with Al Gore’s “invention” as well.
john gendron Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
well ok i give u that bbs slow phone ect
but try radio like using wifi in a network to network style then u got something…..packet radio….ect its in the works…….means no isp just user to user
as for the stupid stuff on this site……..hmmmm
maybe when u think ur back is up agent the wall ……
ei: battlestar galactica, had to unhook from the net, 4 their situation….maybe we will be using cb radio in the future…..if the situation calls 4 it…..
maybe your missing something someone else is way ahead of u on….maybe…
maybe 2012 will bring it on…….do u know….100%
anyways…….truth is stranger than fiction….and so on
later
mikextx Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 pm
jenchilla the only idiot is you,its not about going backwards,the idiot down the road with the cb radio 2 miles from you can tell you what he sees going on,such as martial law taking place,that can be the warning for you to get the hell out of dodge!How the hell do you think truck drivers communicate with each other,some even call police on their cb to get a drunk off the road,get out and learn something before you go shooting your mouth off!
youre dumb Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:54 am
you truly are a moron you moron. go get a flu vaccine shot and get rid of yourself. hahaha
Fuckyoujenchillada Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Try and relax junior. People are not Morons because you haven’t got a clue as to what they are talking about. Got any idea as to what a “fall back position” means. Best bet, don’t spout off until you’ve been there. It takes time. Being Smart doesn’t always cut it, but it does help.
DUH Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:15 am
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THE ENEMY TAKES OVER THE INTERNET, ALL YOU WILL GET IS LIES, DECEPTION AND PROPAGANDA. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT GOING BACKWARDS IS GOING FORWARD. TRY TO TAKE YOUR CANCER CAUSING, “DOCUMENTED” CELLPHONE OUT OF YOUR EAR BECAUSE ITS CAUSING YOU BRAIN DAMAGE. ASK GOD/YHWH FOR WISDOM, WHICH HE GIVES LIBERALLY, THEN COME BACK TO THE SITE WITH SOMETHING THAT CONTRIBUTES.
damright Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
damright says, “WELL SAID MY FRIEND, WELL SAID”. Wake up the fools so they can become “smart” nad common sensical again, in order to help all of those like ourselves who really understand the tech and what the hell is going on, in order to help us beat the s— out of this tyranny, ’till all that there is remaining from the s— beating we put on them, is om;ly but a carcass of their sorry a—- !!!!!!!
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Any tool is a good tool when it becomes your only tool.
Being able to put up, dial into, and use a BBS give you one more tool to use. When the web goes down, those who cannot revert to more primitive means will be out of tools.
Which would YOU rather be? Someone with at least one tool left in the arsenal, or someone whose survival and resistance toolbox now sits pathetically empty and useless?
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
learn to use LYNX browser and PINE email client too.
JLP Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:12 am
WHAT’S YOUR SOLUTION THEN? Any educated person knows that if you’re going to criticize something, you should have a “better” suggestion. I personally think this is a very viable option, however with the slowness, simplicity and possibility of being infiltrated with bad info. could be a problem which may be combated with use of codes. Even that being said I still think it could have it’s useful place for our side.
EAGLE ONE Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:22 am
HEY SHIT HEAD I KNOW AND CAN TEACH MORSE CODE, AND SEMIFOR. TECHNOLOGY IS ONLY GOOD IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE IT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
agree 100%
damright Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am
GURU Pirates can always reverse the EFFECTS of time and technology…..are uyou kidding, modern DNS with abunch of holes… who, in their right mind, would want to use DNS for the task of terminalizing hundreds of thousands of computers in a costly manner….ECONOMICS….bu the time that you would spend a ton of money to set up a modern server cluster piping JAva and HTML, you would be broke into twon parts…broke and brkoest…..what age did you start using computers? I remmber when….BBS was the only thing around….in fact, I still run one…over phone lines….with a virtual running a spoofed MAC address serving s/telnet…..what dinosaur did you NOT fall off of ?????? Even with all of the technnology, nothing can stop a tech crash….in comes the saviour, BBS.
You would have to tear down every trunk, ICE, and all of the rest of the modern day techgarb in the world, and fully eridicate ITU hyperterm functions to stop BBS…….when the Internet fails, you will probably be needing to find that “junky” BBS, as you would ‘call’ it.
BBS owners use their mighty networking skills to serve up simple, yet efficient “websites”; IE, Firefox, and all browsers are still full of CIA/NSA “worm” holes to spy on the general public, who seems to be dumbed down very effectively by their persuasive and soothing propaganda(s). INEVER FELL FOR ANY OF IT !!!! BBS ROCKS !!!!!! The again, why do you think that Bill Gates became so rich…..a dumbed-down public who is too lazy to use hyperterm tools and *NIX operating systems….tisk, tisk.
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
AMEN! Having helpd run and run BBS’s in the 90’s were good. Especially if you ran a “private” one – invite ONLY BBS. With a BBS there is many ways to keep “prying eyes” out of one section but allow them in other sections. Wihtout all the BLOAT of present day internet sites (Flash etc…).
SteveRamsey Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Congrats Jenchilada — you missed the whole point of this article you pinheaded twit
Wayback Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Thanks for this story, it would be a good thing to start using it widely now so there wont be a difficult transition and those of us who are unfamiliar with it can learn before it becomes a nessesity i wonder if china has lots of these going on?
oh and for the first commenter, i guess .mil pays you an extra 30 silver when you are first?
this is the library of alexandria and guess what it got torched “accidentally”
at some point the more noise you make on the web, the SPIDER comes over and eats yuu
Max Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
jenchillada must be a infiltrator in the patriot movement. I was think about BBS for a couple of years after I watched the War Games movie with Matthew Broderich.
CTLovesNathanHale Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Agreed — jenchillada is obviously a shill — which is the best argument yet for a back up system in place and operational. There is no doubt that people more powerful than us (now) would love nothing more than to pull strings and shut down patriot communications (as a prelude to a roundup to death camps, of course). We must present a hard target — guns, ammo, food, water, and communications — we have those covered and they wont dare attack us.
Mr. Marsh Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I’ve been talking about setting up a BBS or some sort of “alternate internet” with my group of friends for a while now. I should have a server here soon, so I’ll definitely be trying this out now. Since other people are catching on, I suppose now would be the best time to get one going.
I’d be interested to see what will happen if they shut down land-lines though. Definitely a scary thought.
wanman77 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
interested in helping out on the project. Cisco CCSP.
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I would also suggest that mesh networks should be setup to use infrared lasers to transmit data should the government decide to use radio jamming to disrupt WiFi communications. They cannot disrupt an infrared laser unless they physically block the light.
Unconquered Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Word. I think this is a great idea and I’m also interested in helping any way I can. Ok, we’re all going to meet on the BBS when Obamalamdingdong pulls the plug on Gore’s Internet. All are welcome. Except the cranky enchillada.
Who says tech can’t go backwards? F**k these old farts. The internet was all about open source and shareware back in the day. Then some douche named Bill Gates figured how to monetize software and the rest is history.
I’m dusting off my old 486, my plug in modem, 5.25″ floppys, and my Members Only jacket. It’s back to the future! It’s on like Donkey Kong beyotch!
BTW cranky enchillada: FRANKIE SAYS RELAX
hello Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
command line. neat. real geeks love it.
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Yup learn the command line – it is FAR more powerful than any stupid GUI.
Problem is you get morons that think rm -rf / is a good idea…. Maybe we would could convince some of the NWO clowns that this is a good idea to do on their systems…. :^)
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am
And here is a link to some very small and totally weatherproof enclosures. The entire computer/router/wifi access point can be mounted directly to the side of a building, to a tall antenna mast, or hidden high up in a bush or tree, powered by a small solar panel, so no power or data wires are leading to it to give it’s location away.
http://www.mini-box.com/WRAP-B.....ategory=19
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Google “VIA Technologies Pico-ITX Mesh Networks”
mikextx Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Thats a good movie,shall we play a game? haha
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
/] cls
/] bload”wargames”
brad Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
They will never shut down the internet, They need the internet to distract people aka Video gamers and false hope like this site. too many people would revolt, 1billion people are using the internet and you think they will shut it down? If it’s only in America they would have 150 million internet users after there ass complaining.
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:54 am
They don’t care if we complain. They only care if we actually try to do anything about it.
JLP Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
They don’t have to shut down the whole internet, just the patriot movement sites and communication on the internet. I like the BBS as a great back up system.
pgrab-ya Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Don’t they block certain sites with firewalls etc. in China? Why wouldn’t they do that everywhere?
brad Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I’m sure if America turned to a communist country then people would defiently revolt.
unitarian Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:59 am
They are not going to shut down the internet. What they are going to do is tern it into a giant closed network like AOL was back in the day! So it will have a limited number of corporate sites and approved content. BBS would give us a way to do an end run around this corporate beast!
SysOp Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:51 am
Let’s hope that it doesn’t come to this, but just in case, I have my Amiga 500 and an old copy of CNET BBS just in case…. grin
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I have CNet and Aftershock both. CNet rocked. I have my German Amiga 2000 – just need a new external modem – mine died finally. (old U.S. Robotics V.everything – bought it at BBSCon one in Colorado Springs, CO).
longfeather Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:39 am
hello my nuttty copatriots,
there are other networks instead of terrestrial phone and
satcom
the powergrid can be used with upb
and most industrial microwave los nets are open and unsecure
the best way to combat the feared disconnect would
be to develop an encrypted set of codes to communicate
thru as many different mediums as possible.
my favorite back up idea for www is a low freq repeater system
low freq like the ancient time pulse is simple and you can
modulate data onto the wave form
unfortunately since 911 many tools needed for
countersurveillance and non fcc transmission are outlawed.
other than electro mag waveforms are very
best way to spook the spooks but thats the next gens toys
my hope is the .gov crowd gets bored and decides to
bother some other planets……..le nm
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Many assumptions here…
1) People still using land line service…most have moved to wireless and dropped landlines.
2) New computers don’t typically come with modems…and people who used to have them in older computers have long ago disposed of them.
3) Finding the relevant BBS after the internet goes down and getting your hardware going will be a challenge.
4) If using Windows…what makes you think they cannot disable every Windows computer at any time? This includes the macs with Windows on them.
5) Who’s to say that EMP’s won’t be used and disable ALL electronics/electric based systems making this story moot.
6) People will have the time to worry about anything more than taking care of their own safety and the safety of their family.
Brian Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
1)you can get a landline for like 6/month
2)you can get a usb modem adapter for 40.00 bucks
3)grapevine is a very powerful tool…we found ‘em before
4)Linux/Ubuntu
5)Ok, but that will also disable the phone line
6)24 hours a day???
Griz Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Good rebuttal, Brian. Let me add:
1. Lots of us still use landlines, even to dial an ISP in more rural areas.
2. Some of us still insist a computer isn’t a computer without a modem
3. Some of us rebel in hobby programming and it wouldn’t be too hard to set up a tiny BBS that could run in the background unnoticed on most modern machines if the modem isn’t in use at the time.
4. Windows up to and including XP will run hobby programs and some of the older DOS stuff, if it doesn’t directly access the hardware.
5. EMP comes, we’re all on even ground unless we have access to government shielded equipment.
6. Humanity is a social animal, being able to get news of the outside world and distant places is sometimes the only thing that makes the intolerable tolerable in a crisis. Read some WWII history and think about the Chinese students that invariably set up lines of communication at personal risk in political crisis.
Bottom line, we WILL need one another to the last one standing God forbid, better to think about good alternatives even if it goes less technical and is merely modems connecting directly to modems singly. They could upload / download an electronic broadsheet with a lot of information in a two minute call at close to 56k. Not too easy to kill multi-random connected networks like that either. And then there is the fact the docs could be zipped, password protected and / or encrypted too. Secure and hard to shut down…hmmmmm.
outside_the_box Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 9:30 am
I’ve actually been working on designs for EMP proof cabinets for electronics. Its just in the beginning stages and the overhead of such a project is too large. Considering that too many people think that an EMP event is too far fetched or that our gov. would not use one against us (sheep), the prospects of recouping start up costs and developing a somewhat profitable (sustained business/profit) corporation are bleak. Guess I am going to just hodge podge them for myself and family.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
cryptome.org has specs for govt TEMPUS EMP shielding in the archives somewhere (ca. 2005)
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
oops TEMPEST not TEMPUS
Dusty Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
This website has easy step-by-step instructions on how to make DVD copies of Alex’s “Fall of the Republic” that will play on even cheap home DVD players.
http://www.thetinyspark.com
-Dusty
Kevin Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Hey, thanks for that! Very helpful. =)
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:55 am
L-I-N-U-X
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Screw that!
There not gonna put the Genie back in the Bottle!!
They can have my Internet when they take it from my Cold Dead Hands!!!!!!!
(it would be cfar easier to tear down the kleptocracy then go back to the stone age again!)
Chris Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I agree with both the previous commenters in some respects. First of all, I think it will be very difficult for the government to get away with “shutting off” the internet because of some claimed “cyberattack”. Even a good percentage of the general brainwashed public is addicted to the internet and will be crying and screaming. I do agree with the authors statement at the end: “We should begin taking steps toward bringing back the dial-up (not Telnet Internet dependent) BBS right now, or at least being ready with the software”. Being ready not just with the software, but with the hardware (fast dial-up modems), the simple non-MS OS to run the software (because I agree with Jon about Windows), and also the listing of both Toll Free and local BBS access numbers. I do recall the days of the BBS and they were not as slick or sexy as the WWW, but hey they were the predecessor and they fit the bill at the time. In a short-term rebellion situation, they may be the perfect IED in the infowar.
peace out, Chris-seattlechange.org
Kystien Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Wrong there bud, easy way to shut it down or at least all non governmental networks is to declare a national emergency with the DHS | National Cybersecurity Division. Easy way to support this is to say the government got hacked by people outside the country so you need to shutoff all access except for those businesses and government sites that are deemed safe.
Nice and easy.
Chris Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I agree they will do it, the problem is they won’t be able to easily sell to the public that there is a national emergency because someone has “evil binary digits”…I mean come on, we talking “electron terrorists”….booohooo
In fact, if the government systems are so critical to our infrastructure and would shut down our modern society because they get hacked, those are the systems needed to be turned off, not the private systems. I mean a little server in podunk Maryland is not causing the systems to all shut down. If it is, we need to have a little sit down with Mr. Bill Gates who allowed his OS to be that compromised. So compromised that the holes created in a person’s computer would be such a security breach that it causes all private computers nationwide to be DOS attack bots for the NWO false flag cyber attack.
I mean trucks can still transport food and supermarkets can still sell it, farmers can still grow crops, banks can still have cash to give to depositers, cars still have gasoline, schools still have children….the rain still falls from the sky…so for God’s sake….turn back on the f’in internet….
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
It could be done I think – L0pht claimed they know how to do it in 30 minutes. L0pht is kown for being able to do what they say then can.
“On May 19, 1998, all seven members of L0pht (Brian Oblivion, Kingpin, Mudge, Space Rogue, Stefan Von Neumann, John Tan, Weld Pond) famously testified before the Congress of the United States that they could shut down the entire Internet in 30 minutes.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht
Who do you think probably told the government HOW to do it….?
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
eehhhhh…ureeeee..uhhhhh..bing….bing…bing…duop…….You’ve got mail! ahh the days of AOL.
IBM SERVER Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Wow, the spelling for the modem sound is just too close. Admit it, you still use dial up, don’t you?
Well, I invite you to break on through to the other side, join us on the internet super highway of communications and let me tinker with your winker…(not a sexual innuendo) Sheesh!
Unconquered Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
LOL mMm! I could hear the beautiful sound of the dial up modem as I read your post!
While all this waxing poetic about BBS is making me nostalgic and I think it would be delicious irony to beat the f**kers with old skool technology, I would take the overbet that the guv won’t be able to shut the ‘net down thanks to bureaucratic incompetence. And even if they do, we’re a pretty resourceful bunch. They can’t/won’t shut down wireless phones so texting could assume a more important role. Look at the impact texting had on the Iran elections/riots, the G4 summits, news is getting out in hyper-real time. As A Patriot says, you can’t stuff the genie back into the bottle.
Viva la DOS
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
“WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?”
Chris Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
hahahahahaha, but no really we’re getting close to that
IBM SERVER Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I hear you on that one. Glad you got the joke.
max Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR.
How about a game of Chess ?
No, GLOBAL THRMONUCLEAR WAR.
(lol, ahhh the days of the WPPR).
Gerri Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 pm
“Open the pod bay door H.A.L.”…
Finally, some info that I can use, completely forgot about BBS…
And I’m pulling my “members only” jacket out of storage!
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Joshua is the name of Dr. Falken’s dead son. A guy could have a pretty good time in Vegas with all that.
hello Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I wish they could make good movies like that again, without all the perversion, and propaganda in them. ahhhh… the good ol days.
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I really had the hots for the girl.
So much for the perversion.
Sext Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
IBM SERVER…in the usual clusterfuck of stupidity that is these comment boards, your comment made me laugh out loud. Good job.
As long as we are bringing back BBS, we might as well bring back Legend of the Red Dragon, Trade Wars, and Usurper as well.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Interesting.
But, with most phone operators using various computer systems instead of swithes, it can also be monitored.
Word of advice, if you want to be sure everything is fine, use Linux.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I am not surprise because UK is the only one proud country in this World.
People in the UK are like GRADE 2 students.
Once again today Mr. Lord. Ass. Face. Evil. Chancellor Alistair Darling said he would only sell parts of the banks when “the time is right”, to ensure taxpayers get their money back and we the citizen (UK Citizen) kept quite and let these two banks are getting bailout again.
I am very very sorry that I was wrong to all of you because I proposed my banking proposal to UK government and this gentleman Alistair Darling in Feb 2009 but I never heard from them.
Now I see we are about to face the tragedy because we the people don’t have a clue who, where, how “Are we”?. See proposal at: http://www.megh.org
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
The only way to protect from an EMP is to sheild your electronics in steel and make sure there is no opening for that pulse to penetrate. They have Toshiba “hard books” I think their called or rugged books, dont know for sure. Anyways they are a steel enclosed laptop able to withstand EMP’s, water, shock and direct pressure up to a certian lb. limit. These are mostly the same laptops used in newer “Homeland security money funded” police forces. The Military, Spooks and other appropriate agencies have them as well. I couldnt find one for civilian use but maybe someone has them on ebay or something..
hello Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 pm
that might be a good product. steel briefcases, with some serious foam padding inside. i bet a metal smith could make one for a couple hundred bucks cost and a days labor. or Imagine Steel pc destop cases too. buff em up, and they’d look pretty neat too.
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November 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Watch Fall Of The Republic in full version and educate yourself online at: http://www.joemarquis.com/videos.htm
I took the time to build an area within my own business website where you can educate yourself by watching in Highest Quality full versions of Alex Jone’s and other’s DVD’s. A great place to start if your new or old and want to learn about the New World Order.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Let’s do it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
ATZ
ATS0=1
ATDT 555-1212
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Ohhh the good ole’ days of dialup….hahha screw that!
We’d be better off learning smoke signals and using carrier pigeons.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
IF WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR LIBERTY BACK WE ALL NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO A FREE FLOW OF INFORMATION. SOMEONE NEEDS TO INVENT A SOLAR CHARGED HAND HELD DEVICE TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO PEOPLE DIRECTLY. THEY WILL BE CONNECTED AFTER THEY SHUT THE INTERNET DOWN AND SO SHOULD THE PEOPLE.
RJB Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am
See the VIA Technologies website.
Go the the VIA Epia Pico ITX section.
Go to the VIA Mesh Networks section.
Then go here, for a rugged, weatherproof package to put it in:
http://www.mini-box.com/WRAP-B.....ategory=19
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Data may also be transmitted by radio. I personally have a packet radio setup whereby I can send files – over radio in the 2-meter band – to other ham operators who have their radios linked to their PC. All you need is your PC, a ham rig and a terminal node controller (computer to radio modem…). You’d want to use a beam (directional) antenna and keep the transmission under nine seconds.
As for EMP shielding, you need copper mesh, enough to encase a small room. The Toshiba “Toughbook” laptops are good, but you can also wrap your laptop up in a smaller faraday cage (enclosed copper mesh with a ground). I’ve heard space blankets will work, but I’d not trust any of my equipment to an unproven solution.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
does it correct for lost packets?
Glen2Gs Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I think you may have the low-cost solution !
In the late70’s/early 80’s a Dallas UHF TV station would transmit Computer Programing over the airwaves and we would record them on cassette tapes for the Commodore 64.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I don’t like having to depend on just the internet alone and if they start censoring and disconnecting and playing around too much I’ll have it taken out and just listen on the radio. Maybe somebody can invent something fast or open their own internet company. They’ll lose alot of money if everybody disconnects their internet service.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
You can catch all the network with a simple pair of rabbit hear. For free.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Well… that is good in theory. Like the other replier Jon stated… you have to have a landline and a working modem and also Fidonet was killed off because it was not Y2K compatible and I don’t know if the software was ever patched since by 1999 the BBS was in it’s death throws.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
IRC is also an alternative that will not be easily shut down. The good thing about BBS now is that most people have unlimited nationwide long distance too. Back in the day, you would pay if you were connecting to someplace out of your area code. Now, we could have nationwide BBS and there would be nothing they could do. The only down side is that it would be super easy to trace you because you are at your house, and if they tap your phone, they could easily cipher the information you were passing, but maybe that does not matter.
You guys need to understand too, how they would shut down the internet, there are a couple easy ways, but one would be to shut down the main name servers. Using your own name servers can get around this. There are many things.
The most important thing is to physically plan. We know if they shut down the internet it will be to immediately put into action something that could harm many of us. We need to all know people in our local area who we can depend upon for support and they on us. We need to go back to being a community.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
In reality, they probably won’t shut down the entire Internet. They will only suppress the information/users that they deem a threat. No more InfoWars, PrisonPlanet, Lew Rockwell, etc. However, if information were spread by bit-torrent it would be difficult to control. A bit torrent is a file sharing technology used to share large files that would normally take a long time to download (such as a movie). Little bits and pieces of the file come from all over the world. The “pieces” of it that you have already downloaded (even if you are still downloading the file itself) are then shared for others who are downloading. Because small pieces of the data are coming from all over the world, it would be difficult to control.
We should get some patriot torrent sites up and running that could be physically moved around every couple of hours or so if the Internet limitations ever happen. If you have never used torrent technology then learn how to. It is just something else to have in your preparedness “tool box”.
Now if they ever implement Internet 2, and at some time I expect they will, it likely won’t allow torrent file sharing services to run unless they are approved by Big Brother.
Like bulletin boards, and what I am suggesting here, freedom loving people will figure something out. I would agree with one of the previous posts, learn to use Linux. Because Windows will be totally controlled and your options will be limited. Listen to the ads on this webpage:
http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601649
Bobfortuna Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Who exactly is infowars a threat to aside from possibly the Democrats?
Darth Chaos Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
The Republicans too. Don’t tell me you believe this site is a Republican Party shill site because this site was giving the Republicans hell during the Bush admin.
Wayback Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
all their eggs are in one basket, secrecy, its a good thing inbred psychopaths never learn
there need to be ways of sharing info with people like dead letter boxes, tyranny is coming and a lot of sheep are going to fall for it, the most important thing is memory like watt says, put things on disks, get an old laptop and a plastic sealed container, and bury it someplace then if someone is safe they can go, see and copy the info and then leave it for the next person, that may seem severe but if this thing truly comes real patriots are going to be eliminated immediately stalin style. gps coordinates dont change and they cant dig up the whole world if its not on the grid it wont be erased.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Basically, I agree with the proposal and have been pushing the concept for years now. It’s good to see others jump on the bandwagon. Alternatives to the internet are needed and the BBS system is a proven tool. Sure, obstacles exist with any system controlled by the FCC, i.e. the communications infrastructure, but inventive and tenacious people will find ways around the FCC if needed. Packet radio, switched networks employing modems, and LANS employing FSO (free space optical) links are viable and more secure than RF based networks. I’m in the process of deploying a BBS system as a backup system for national and international communication and coordination.
tpreitzel Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
In a crisis, one combination could be the deployment of FSO for maximum security locally (LAN) and deployment of RF (packet radio) for longer range, less secure communication outside a local area (WAN).
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
anohter consideration: being tied to the Microsoft Windows/Office cycle does not make for reliable computing, and if the ‘net goes down, forget about new LINUX distros and bugfixes. That leaves a few old workhorses, tried and true, as viable options. Keep a copy of DR-DOS around. Get one of those tiny XP installations and burn it to disk for a rainy day. If you like MS-DOS or PC-DOS better than DR-DOS, fine, but have it ready now because if the web goes down what are you going to do, order it from, um, someone? Who?
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Let the gov’t try and take the Internet away. It wll just wake more people up like when the feds started targeting as terrorist “Typical White people in small towns clinging to their Bibles” that was one of the worst mistakes the feds have made. Before they did that the Tea Parties were small and now there is millions! People who used to call me a “kook” are on our side now. Rightwingers who loved the Patriot Act are now fighting it. The more the gov’t pushes us the more people will push back!!
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
During a created emergency they will comandeer landlines also, and this will be the critical time for patriots to communicate. CB’s and Short Wave will be the best way to go.
Crito Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Shortwave data broadcasting:
http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/multimon.html
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
If the net goes down I will:
- Copy way more DVDs of relevant documentaries & hand them out
- Make tons of anti-NWO posters and put them up
- Arrange screenings of important documentaries at my community theater
- Call talk radio every day
- Wear anti-NWO clothing every day
- Boycott all mass media
- Start my own broadcast on shortwave radio
- Draft and copy template letters to local, state and federal officials so anyone can sign/send them, indicating that the internet must be restored
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
There might be some flaws with the idea put forth here, but excellent job at trying to prepare for the (inevitable?) collapse/takeover of the internet. God bless the computer nerds.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I’m getting a shortwave asap. I already boycott all mass media-it stinks pretty much. Calling talk radio is a great idea! Boy it seems things are happening fast-all the more reason to get the word out faster.
roaddog6 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
thank you infowars for putting this idea out here. This is exactly what I’ve been talking about for some time now. We are gonna need a way to communicate with each other when they shut everything down and put us in cyber-quarrantine. Some ideas were ham, shortwave, murs, cb. This bbs was also mentioned. We’re gonna have to have something to track them and to keep in touch with family and friends and other patriots. This needs to be taken very seriously.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
archive.org/details/ShortwavePirateRadio
I agree
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I have the perfect theme song for the new BBS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrERtikdPus
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrERtikdPus
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
here is the solution. When the internet is shut down, congregate on the nearest major ISP with gun in hand. Defeat tyranny. Then turn internet back on.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
people need to create support groups in the areas they live in and get started now before anything happens. you need to prepare, discuss and know what you are going to do in case of scenarios. my suggestion would not to be connected on here by any means as you know they are monitoring.
Unconquered Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I have to respectfully disagree. I pretty much assume they’re monitoring and I certainly don’t recommend being a total asshat with what I post by I’m not going silent. That’s self censorship and once I do that, they’ve won. I used think the same way but someone on this site actually said the same thing to me and she was right. I can’t let them win and I will not be silenced. I’m certainly not going to shine a spotlight to my front door but I’m not a criminal and I refuse to live like one.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I am currently working on 2 dial up servers at the moment working on bringing this back. As a tech for IBM i have been hearing a lot about the general web being shutdown and forcing people back into there every day lives. The web would mostly be used for business and government needs with only a few dedicated sites for the public to purchase goods or view mainstream news sites and services like Facebook. This would be Internet 2.0. Dont believe me? well then hopefully i will see you on the other side when its implemented. if not.. well cant say we didnt warn you.
again i am working on two dial up servers for the bbs service.
Ham radio services are great except when it comes down getting your license for it. CB radio definitely but really open to the public and not too great for mass conversations.
We could definitely bring start up a few IRC networks. see: http://www.mirc.com
only problem there is people going on power trips and law enforcement using BNC’s and IP Spoofers to get past security. but i don’t think any of us really give a crap about authorities at this point.
Lets Roll!
James F. Blake Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
A few dedicated sights, huh? That makes it easier to concentrate our efforts.
I like your line about how having to get a license for ham radio. If we are a resistance, we are sure as hell not going to bother getting any damn licenses!
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
remember:dialup isn’t what it used to be. you have fantastically faster modem rates, and a little technical knowhow can make cell phones “free”
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
It’s time for people to stop using apostrophes to pluraize things.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Lets not forget that BBS’ use THE PHONE LINES and that even if by chance the phones were still available THEY WOULD BE TRACEABLE. This idea is well intended, but retarded none the less.
And for all of you thinking shortwave will be better…you really think that isn’t traceable too?
Folks, the NWO are bastards, but not stupid. You think they got where they were by being tards?
BBS’ were cool back in the day but they won’t help in this case. Better off going back to Payne and the handbill. No BS, that will be the best you have when they pull martial law. Going back is a good idea, this idea just doesn’t go back far enough
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
How about skywriting?
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
They may shutdown the web but they may not shutdown gopher, ftp, irc, usenet, and the other protocols that were forgotten. Also you can always telnet into an existing BBS if the web is not available.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
doubt it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
If we lose the internet our food supply will go too ….and water and electricity…..these are rotten heads of state running our country………… they don’t care about the people. What good is a CB if people are starving at the other end. Have you seen what imperialists to the the Africans….? It is totally evil
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
how about a solar powered ham radio network with both data and voice capablility. Or even private wifi networks, daisey chained by bridging.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
hamnet already exists! sheesh
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Rothschild says… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhfjSM-pgsk
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
…….Outwit, Outplay, Outlast, Outhumble.
This is what I’ve been waiting for. This story is the key for the movement to exist. We have to remember not to complicate it. I’m in the communications industry and I can tell you that the back end of the .net is a scary place to be. If we want to succeed then the best option is CB/Ham; I’m convinced of this. They can shut down the infrastructure of the .net, that’s easy. They can monitor the telephony lines, this I also know. However, CB and Ham radio chat are something they cannot monitor.
Go with your gut guys/gals, step away from the machine thinking at get into the open air.
Prax
roaddog6 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
prax—If they’re close enough to ya when using a cb they can focus in on ya by modulation. And there’s not that good a range on cb. Good for local, but not long distances. I’m ex-truck driver.
Roberto Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Short wave is good long distance.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
it’s good long distance because it bounces off the ionosphere, but it also fades in and out, bad for data, or maybe not.
mikextx Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Set in antenna up high enough and put some fire in the wire you can talk all the way to the dominican republic.
Unconquered Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Prax, you are absolutely right. This is a pivot point for liberty. We need to outmaneuver and make preparations. Sorry if this looks like spam but this is a site that I recently come across that is a wealth of information on how to prepare if the SHTF and even if it doesn’t. I really recommend everyone checks it out.
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/
There’s a lot of like-minded people out there.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
CB and Ham are just frequency allocations. If you buy used ham gear you can usually get a transceiver that will broadcast in many more freqs than those strictly allotted. http://www.archive.org/details.....irateRadio
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
OK then. I trust what you are saying.
How about a HAM? Would that work better? I know everything about today’s technology but I’m brain dead to this old stuff, please forgive! At least we are brainstorming, this is a good thing.
So we gonna have tr rely on good ol paper and pen?
My dad was a trucker as well and I had one installed in my room for when he was on the road; we had this bit ant on the house and the range now that you mention it was not great when he started to leave town…
Oh well….thanks for putting that into perspective.
Prax
roaddog6 Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
prax—-thats the start; brainstroming. roberto is onto something with shortwave. I’ve never done anything with that. My dad had a ham radio when I was a little kid. I know ya need a license for those, but when the time comes, nobody is gonna give a fuck about that. From what I can figure out just by asking around, shortwave or this bbs thing might be best, but I just don’t know. I’m trying to figure it out myself.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
HAMNET already exists. Shortwave is weird because it fades in and out.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Hey y’all, don’t forget about that other tech advance………the battery and/or hand cranked radios, when the shit goes down, do you really think they’ll leave the power on?
http://redi2revolt.blogspot.com
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I don’t think this will work, most people have never used this before or even heard of it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
mabey someone should make some how-to videos.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
The internet is not going to get shut down unless many of the root name servers get shut down. Even then you could access it through IP.
The internet is world wide. They would have to shut it down everywhere. That’s not going to happen. No way.
As for BBS’s, you’d have to get a massive dose of fidonet going in order to transfer “patriot messages” between BBS systems. BBS’s would honestly be eaiser to track down honestly. Anonymous internet is available at any open hotspot or open wifi in your area.
James F. Blake Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Oh yeah, Jimmy? All it takes is cutting the undersea fibre optics cable. Ask the folks in North Africa, where service was disrupted twice by an “accidental” cutting of the cable from Italy. Twice. In two months.
But you are right about the hotspots. We can broadcast messages over our own routers to our close neighbors, and they can relay them.
As for the people that would track us down. Well, friend. There are 300 million of us and maybe one million of them. It would be a lot easier to track them down and take care of them, if you know what I mean.
Mobius Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Oh dear lord. You just showed us all how LITTLE you know about either topic.
Chilly8 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:38 am
how about the network that predated the Internet, UUCP? It could be used to transmit Email and Netnews. Any Unix and Linux machine can run UUCP.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Dummies. Sure, bring it back so you can continue to…. tell everybody to buy gold, ammo and spend all your time sitting on canned food!
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Maybe a Patriot Wireless Mesh network that encompasses the globe. If we think that there will be an Internet 2.0, why not create it first on our own terms….
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm
BBS is a good back-up strategy, but only for the serious patriots. Most the tards barely know what it is, let alone how to use it. Off the grid water and electricity, ham radio and anything else I will need to survive…
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
The problem is that BBS is easy to track/turn off because and those servers can easily be overwhelmed with an attack.
You’re better off communicating in an (ever changing) code and using posters/flyers.
Once they have control over the hardline/hardware (which they have for years now) the only thing you can do is obfuscate in plain sight.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
The best tech is old tech because they do not look back, they look forward.
Yes it may seem retarded but look at it this way, there are many more different types of security we can implement.
For an IRC server we can set a password on connection to the servers. We can encrypt the data being sent to the server and create our own scripts for these dedicated servers.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
I know we just couldn’t wait to take our 3 turns a day at L.O.R.D hoping to get laid by Violet, but lets just forget about BBS.
Freenet is what needs to be developed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
awesome post..i remember bbs back in the day.. bring it back just in case…
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Some of us are already on top of this. Excellent suggestion though.
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Jeez, I remember using an ATARI -ST for my first BBS system then a Com-64 back in the day!
hello Reply:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
is a commodore 64 still tcp capable? neat.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
OS/2 is still going, sort of, as eComServer or something out of Netherlands. It doesn’t install as easily as Warp 4 did though.
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Technologically speaking it really can’t be done. Almost 60% of all telephone tranmissions are now going through fiber optics (The interwebs). So if the great “they” shut off the internet phones won’t work either not without a whole lot of re-working. Plus you need electricity to run all this stuff and I would think that if the great “they” wanted to drop the hammer that would be the first thing to go.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
you could always jerry-rig something, send data as audio, pick it up on the LINE OUT on the soundcard, send it through a converter and up a wire on the chimney to the guy down the river.
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I used to run a large BBS back in the ’90s. It was a neat experience up until the Internet came into play. Going back to dial-up BBSs would be like going from lightbulbs back to torches. It ain’t gonna heppen. If you want to exchange ideas and media, organize local groups and hold meetings.
maelstrom Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:58 am
yeah because as all the shills above told us, technology never goes backwards. except when you trade in a high fidelity land line in order to talk on a cell phone that sounds like you’re talking into a toilet while it’s flushing, etc etc.
a tool is only useful if you control it. a real p2p internet would be unstoppable, just as DARPA designed it to be, to stand up in the face of nuclear war.
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Not a bad idea. Having run some BBS’s back in the day, I can attest to the fact that it takes a bit of work. More than running a simple blog.
A couple of points though. You don’t need DOS per se to run them. You can get by with running the BBS software in a DOS window on most modern PC’s. You may need to use “compatiblity mode” however. You might also find a linux version, but I have never personally used one for linux so I don’t know.
You might be able to configure the software to make connections via TCP/IP as well as connecting through a modem. The idea here is that you use TCP/IP until the gov shuts down the internet, at which point you switch over to the modem.
However, keep in mind that you have no chance of anonymity in such an arrangement. Point to point telephone communications are baby simple to trace. At least with packet switched networks you can cloak your self a bit with something like TOR or by using FReenet as one poster has already alluded to.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
November 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
I don’t have enough experience or time to be a hacker/techie. but it seems that if those who possessed these skills were prepared to take down any auxilliary internet system( WWW2?) the NWO intended on using in lieu of our web that this might dissuade them from pulling the internet to begin with. The so-called nerds could prove to be the decisive warriors in the coming revolution. A small number of patriotic citizens could go a long way towards defeating the high tech tyranny arrayed against us. The sliderule boyz are passe, now, it’s the keyboard boyz who will win the day.
TechiePatriot Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Actually it would be reather easy to build a “private” mass network. Granted it wouldn’t have the bandwith the internet does. Get a bunch of small routers, switches, and LOTS of CAT5 and you could set up small neiborhood networks not monitored or controlled by the NWO. Then connect those small neighborhood networks together and you have a larger network. You get the idea. You would want to start dumping windows and move more people to Linux – it’s open source and couldn’t be controlled by the NWO – not like Windows that has government mandated backdoors in it – research this for yourself. You are right – those of us that have been the techies/nerds/geeks/hackers could take our turn, step up and build the next “internet” – however you would not have an easy way to connect continents. You probaly woun’t want to go back to the BBS now that I think about it. Whos “wires” would you have to use to do BBS’ing? AT&T, Verizon, Ma’Bell’s – who are controller by the NWO. Information could still get out, but not at the speed it does now. But we need to start preparing for it NOW – not after the internet has been shut off. We need to use the Internet to organize – the NWO can’t monitor ALL possible communications channels there are things they can’t control. There is encryption methods that would take a lot of super computers a lot of processing time to crack. I won’t explain this in an open forum but it is doable – even the NSA would pi$$ in their pants. But know the NWO could easily infiltrate our ranks too.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Just once problem. Most new computers cannot use any kind of dial-up modem. I own two computers that cannot use any kind of dial-up modem, no COM/LPT ports and no PCI ports.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Chilly
There are infact USB modems available. Also you can get USB to COM port adapters. Beyond that, most modems that you find in the store will be “winmodems” anyway. That is, they will fit in a standard PCI slot and run off of windows. I used to prefer the old ISA, hardware based, modems, but few pcs have ISA slots anymore.
Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
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November 4th, 2009 at 1:43 am
It would be VERY EASY for the NSA to scan for phone calls being used for BBS systems, modems have a very unique signal.
Maybe packet radio BBS systems would be better. These would need to be Ham radio stations, or else pirate run though. While it would be easy to intercept these communications, it might actually be HARDER for the NSA to do so since they are localized on VHF bands (or most packet BBS’s were and are). But it would be much more difficult to locate and stop the usage.
I ran a BBS for years, good tech but very very reliant upon a land telephone line.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
NSA does total coverage anyway, all RF they can find, including baby monitors and light leakage from computer LEDs from space platforms
You’ve got the right idea though. Hams are already doing it.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Also try HAM radio.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:57 am
I’ve been thinking about this for a while as well.
The whole model of everyone connecting to ISP’s (and paying them) needs to change.
Free internet could be possible if everyone had a wifi router and connected together in one big mesh network – no ISP gatekeepers!
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
look up Ham Radio for Dummies to see what HAMNET does. Wifi is easy to disrupt. RF packets with frequency hopping would be difficult for them to hit constantly. Add PGP and theyre screwed.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:23 am
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November 4th, 2009 at 7:34 am
They were pushed out because of cheaper competition! Just maybe if they found a better way of reducing cost in communications, and innovating new products for consumers on the low end of the spectrum. They would be here today!
November 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am
http://www.dosbox.com/
DOSBox emulates an Intel x86 PC, complete with sound, graphics, mouse, joystick, modem, etc., necessary for running many old MS-DOS games that simply cannot be run on modern PCs and operating systems, such as Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, Linux and FreeBSD. However, it is not restricted to running only games. In theory, any MS-DOS or PC-DOS (referred to commonly as “DOS”) application should run in DOSBox, but the emphasis has been on getting DOS games to run smoothly, which means that communication, networking and printer support are still in early development. It does have Serial port passthrough support (win32 only).
DOSBox also comes with its own DOS-like command prompt. It is still quite rudimentary and lacks many of the features found in MS-DOS, but it is sufficient for installing and running most DOS games.
DOSBox has a lively, user-supported community forum hosted at VOGONS (Very Old Games On New Systems). Feel very very free to drop by if you have questions about DOSBox!
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
i found it useless on xp. the version that ran on w2000 broke on xp, and xp emulates DOS well enough for what I need. ntvdm.exe 4tw.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
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roaddog6 Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:44 am
prax–go ahead man. I’m in touch with some infowar herd members right now, so it wouldn’t hurt. I’ll be gone till late this afternoon though, so if I don’t get back right away to ya, just hold on, I will. Go ahead and post and I’ll get ahold of ya. later
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November 4th, 2009 at 8:30 am
The linux community should do something.
Or thought the ideal would be communications through AM radio.
Hmm…. wireless WLAN that bounces off the ionosphere. I wonder if it’s possible.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Okay, guys. Now I’m more frustrated than ever, if that’s possible in the current state of affairs. I know squat about emt, bbs, cb’s, short wave radio etc., although I’ve traveled a bit and learned a few survival techniques. Spent the majority of my life as a single mom struggling to raise four kids in New York City. Now I’m a not-so-sweet “granny” (people get offended when I “tell it like it is”) who only learned a few years ago how to use the internet, computers, cell phone (still know squat about texting and don’t want to learn). Am planning to leave this City and go rural, as I did a long time ago. How does some one like me, with extremely limited cash reserves, find a cb or other appropriate equipment and learn to operate it?
And by the way, Jenchillada, everything we have today, and I mean EVERYTHING, was built on previous knowledge and experience. Have a little respect for the foundations of what you so easily take for granted.
You know, computers, cell phones, civil rights…. dare I say it? Constitution!!!! C what I mean?
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
well, with BBSes you have to get used to the idea of everything being in text. Besides that, it’s just about doing things in the right order with the modem, phone and program.
CB is made for toothless truckers from Beaumont TX. You press a button, say some garbled stuff, add a few numbers and say breaker breaker and you’re doing it. “Smokey” means the fuzz.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am
GooD, I see my collection of DOS, GEOS, WIN 3 software and serial modems was not in vain.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Good idea. It’s not about technology advancement. It’s about finding ways around the oppression.
Back in the day, this technology was a welcomed thing. If it can serve a purpose and prove a point why not? Who says old dogs can’t learn new tricks.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
BBS systems are a good idea, but it wasn’t the internet that was their downfall, it was the feds. Look up info on “Operation sundevil”. I had sme freinds that ran BBS systems, and two that I knew personally were raided, and their computers were taken and never given back. Even Steve Jackson (creator of the Illuminati card game) had his offices raided, and equipment taken.
It’s a good idea to start up independent BBS systems again, but don’t forget the past, or the possible consequences of doing so.
tpreitzel Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
More difficult to do covertly or overtly due to motion detection software and very small formats of high capacity media, e.g. SD.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Before you start a BBS, Google “Operation SunDevil” It was the downfall of BBS culture. I personally know 2 sysops who were raided back in the day.
Sorry about a possible re-post, but anytime I post a comment, it gets deleted.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
read it. not an argumetn against this at all.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:29 am
BBS….sigh. Get with the times. BBS would be step backwards. Not to mention it utilizes telnet (easy to exploit) and offers no protection of anonymity.
“DARKNETS” are the modern method of covert and anonymous (in most cases) communication via the “web”, If you don’t know what it is google it. A common example of one type of “Darknet” is TOR. though there are quite a few that use various methods.
maelstrom Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
oops you forgot to actually read the article. the author says not to rely on telnet, but phone lines. your p2p tor darknets aren’t going to work with the gateways blocked.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Today’s telco infrastructure relies upon IP based communications. Voice, data and internet traffic traverse the same network(s). Dial-in BBS systems are reliant upon this same infrastructure.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
anyone who doesn’t understand this go to http://www.archive.org/details.....irateRadio and listen to what goes on, you might learn something.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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November 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
The trick is a layered response. Its not either or, but instead both and that is the key to a successful response to the proposed internet regulations. So we need to think about BBS combined with shortwave and or local networks of low watage AM transmitters. Also lets not forget about print media, a newsletter can be handed out to people at events, or on the street, and contain info on dialing in to BBS sites or frequencies for shottwave and pirate AM broadcasts along with real news stories in print form.
longfeather Reply:
November 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
i agree multi headed beast hard to kill
though i fear the .gov crowd
many greedy souls employed by usa
patriot movement hard to form without a safe free com method to
create a structure that avoids harm of anyone.
is there reliable keys to share data without hls dropping by
ive never understood how we are to control our gov
in my lifetime it seems people just dont matter
November 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
It’s always good to be prepared… Disasters usually come without warning… I wouldn’t be suprised if the internet does goet shut down for some time due to some natural disaster… Power was out for several days at my residence one year due to a huge snow storm. So things do happen… Alway, always pe prepared with a back up plan….
November 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Packet Radio. http://www.packetradio.ca
November 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
synchronet bbs software is open source, easy to use, win32-compatible, and still occasionally updated.
http://www.synchro.net
November 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Although shortwave is another possibility, it has problems too. Have any of you considered the HAARP project? Relying on the ionosphere for communications might be a bit problematic.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
The BBS idea is great and I hope some of the computer techs on this forum pull it together. Another idea for getting the word out is microbroadcasting http://am1000rangemaster.com/index.html using low power AM transmitters to set up small local community radio stations. These small units do not require licensing from the FCC and if several were rigged together a station could cover a whole town. If groups started local stations all over the country and a network of BBS sites fed information to the local broadcasters we could keep getting the word out after the net goes down.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
How about a FAXBLAST newsletter of the days events
November 5th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Not saying BBS systems are a bad idea, it’s the network component that is at risk.
I think the future distribution of data will be an Ad-Hoc networking solution. Individual peer machines will comprise a private network wirelessly. Similar to how a torrent is distributed, only it’s the actual network connection, and not the data being distributed. The government may be able to shut down the infrastructure, or shape and monitor network traffic, but a privately operated network infrastructure will be much harder to regulate. It’s like the old kids game, “telephone”, where one PC transmits data to the next closest machine, and so on and so on, but the message stays the same.
If the internet becomes subject to lockdowns and other types of controls, this private, user supported network will become a good alternative. web browsing will be replaced by something akin to a Hot Sync, where flagged and requested data is grabbed in packets form individual machines when it’s available, and the completed download could be viewed once complete.
Packet radio is also a good idea, but not everyone would have the needed equipment.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Ultimately the corporations still control the phone lines that would be needed to be accessed, and most if not all of those phone lines are owned by the same corporations who have no trouble ‘following orders’ in shutting down the net. What we need is way to allow one computer to connect directly to another and to build a network off of amped-up overlapping wireless routers/hubs. It may not be able to stretch as far as the internet or look as pretty but it’d still be a valuable community information sharing tool.
One of the best things that can be done against the NWO is to become more self-reliant.
Ignorance is bliss, but the truth shall set you free.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
oh how I miss the days of telix and z-modem
November 6th, 2009 at 11:11 am
The NWO controls BBS as Al Gore is widely acclaimed as the sole inventor of the BBS and will require a handsome profit.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
There are better options than resurrecting dinosaur technology.
Why can’t we build an alternet internet with MODERN technology?
November 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
You asked, and the open source community is delivering. Check out this new “old” project.
http://cougarbbs.dyndns.org/
November 6th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I ran a BBS for 6 years (1985-1991) on a Commodore-64 using “Color 64 BBS” software. Had 2 phones lines connected to 300/1200/2400 baud modems. I’d be one of the first to pull the C64 out of the attic and fire it back up to keep the flow of information going. I still have the software and all hardware so it wouldn’t even be a problem to get it back online! Check it out:
http://www.zimmers.net/bbs/c6bbs.html
November 6th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Heck I hlped run a large BBS in the 90’s on CNet BBS – wow what a great piece of BBS software that was! I also ran a small private BBS on Aftershock BBS. I think going back to BBS’s may not be that bad. You can get a lot more control over things than you can with the internet (being someone who builds web sites for a living (large ones)) and someone who ran BBS’s.
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