Jeb Bush called Donald Trump “a creature of Barack Obama” in the latest example of the former governor’s ever-present frustration with the billionaire businessman during an interview with NPR.

“But for Barack Obama, Donald Trump’s effect would not be nearly as strong as it is,” Bush said.

The comments come as Bush continues his full assault on Trump over the past several weeks questioning everything from his rival’s seriousness to intellectual prowess. However, Bush expressed optimism to NPR that “the emotion of the here and now” with Trump “will subside.”

“The point is that we’re living in this reality TV political environment, where [Trump] fills the space by saying outrageous things [and] then people based on their emotions will express support for the sentiment, not necessarily the specifics, because there’s none and then he’ll backtrack,” he said. “And he’ll move on to the next thing and he fills the space.”

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