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Lou Dobbs alert: Illegal immigrants may get rebates
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Politico
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
In their bipartisan zeal to quickly cut a deal on an economic stimulus bill, GOP lawmakers overlooked something that will certainly inflame the conservative base _ illegal immigrants could receive a tax rebate check from the government.
The text of the House passed bill contains language making “non resident aliens” _ illegal immigrants _ ineligible for the tax rebates. But every year, hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants use individual taxpayer identification numbers, known as ITINs, to file income tax returns with the IRS. These ID numbers are used instead of Social Security numbers. There are no exact statistics for how many illegal immigrants file tax returns, but this New York Times story from last year details the significant increase in use of ITINs. This story also lays out the issue.
Immigration advocates point out that many legal immigrants use ITINs, so it would be impossible to outlaw rebates for everyone who uses this form of ID in tax returns.
Republicans who were involved in negotiating the bipartisan economic stimulus package would like to avoid the illegal immigration debate as the $146 billion bill comes to the Senate this week. Congressional aides say the problem is that the IRS is not a law enforcement agency, so it doesn’t check immigration status when people file tax returns.
“The reality is that those who filed a tax return will be eligible” for tax rebates of $600 to $1,200, said Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.). “This [issue] has not been addressed” by the senators writing the bill.
The issue has certainly caught on in the conservative blogosphere, though, and you can bet a few conservative senators will bring this up as the stimulus bill hits the Senate floor. CNN’s Lou Dobbs will probably have a field day with the issue as well.
A spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) points out that illegal immigrants are ineligible for any rebates and are committing tax fraud if they fraudulently obtain taxpayer ID numbers to file tax returns. Republicans also issued a memo Wednesday trying to defuse any controversy over immigrants and tax rebates.
“The bill includes language similar to the provisions included in the 2001 and 2003 tax relief bills designed to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving benefits,” Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith said. “There is no language in the measure that would enable illegal immigrants to receive a tax rebate.”
Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a conservative organization, says the problem is not with the economic stimulus bill but with the lack of coordination between the IRS and immigration enforcement agencies.
“If the IRS was cooperating with Social Security or DHS [Homeland Security] … they would know who the illegal immigrants are who file tax returns,” Krikorian said.
According to a Senate GOP aide, Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) will try to offer a “fix” to the bill in the Finance Committee markup of the legislation today. Republican aides are also worried that under certain definitions in the House bill, a resident alien who spent at least 183 days drawing income in the United States but was deported _ and still filed a tax return _ could have a rebate check sent to their home country. Ensign will try to prevent this with an amendment to the bill, according to a GOP aide.
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February 4th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Dobbs is a patriot!
February 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If the IRS is not a law enforcement agency then why do they burst down your door in black uniforms that say “IRS” when you fail to pay your taxes? What a lie.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
The IRS is the collection agency for the private Federal Reserve. If you go up against it and become a tax protestor, you’re guilty until proven guiltier. In 1913, our country’s monetary system was co-opted by a private banking cartel with more power than the president and Congress combined. The only way we’ll ever get free of this parasitical organization is if the majority in Congress decide to shut down the Fed. That, of course will happen when Hell freezes over, given the fact that most of our politicians are either too compromised or too afraid to go up against the almighty Federal Reserve. JFK tried, and had most of his brains removed via the gunman in the grassy knoll as a result.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
I’ll take on the IRS any day, any time. Heh… you can’t worry about them coming after you. Even if you do pay your taxes they can just frame you for something else. Or just claim you never paid. It’s not like they’ve do it before.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
ITS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION FELLOW HUMANS. WE ALL MARCH TO THE CAPITOL ON JULY 4TH. SPREAD THE WORD. WE ALL MARCH FOR THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Wow this 1 is easy. Just stop paying your taxes, and let the illeagles pay our taxes for us. We will just let anyone from anywhere live here and we can make them pay 50% of their pay towards USA citzens. Then we can feel good about our open borders
February 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am
If a person pays income tax then they should be eligible for the rebate period. It shouldn’t matter whether or not they are illegal aliens. This is a red herring argument.
February 12th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
instead of a march lets get everyone to think on a few things: everyone write your own name in on your ballot, and take a picture of it. this would bring america back to us or we the people. Next lets not settle for a rebate when we should have total credit forgiveness under Nesara for all. Look up Nesara its legal but hidden so the Fed reserve can exist. This is the hidden item that helps lenders work with you when there should be no debt. Lets Jam traffic on the 4th until we can’t drive then get out and March. For any of this to work we need everyone…think about it. No tax… No Fed… No Government except locally newly elected by people in each community/district. Gold/silver only tender thats legal. think about it control of your life.. no gas tax.. no food tax… no bank fees…think about it… look up Nesara google it
February 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I think AS left a letter out of his name….”S”
There is NO logical argument for an illegal immigrant to receive ANY type of rebate. Let’s use some common sense here, people!
I guess it’s really time to start buying up silver coin, better get a Berkey, order some eFoods Direct, get a piece of protectable property with gardening potential, get a dyno short wave, need cases of candles/matches, get a year’s supply of Spirulina and Chlorella, stock up on some good seeds, cut up the credit cards, get rid of the mortgage, grab a couple of unregistered guns and plenty of ammo………..so much to do, so little time.
February 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Jimbo
“No logical argumet?” Listen, Alex may be on the money with some of his arguments, but you guys who want to blame the state of the economy on the influx of undocumented workers are just flat out wrong. The net economic affect of their labor in the economis in the positive billions of dollars. Not the other way around. Contrary to the argument that they are a strain on the social services, they actually pay more in taxes than whatever charges could be accumulated for the use of social services. These guys buy groceries, pay rent, buy cars, gas, clothes, etc. Just because a small amount of their income goes back to Latin America, it doesn’t mean that the majority of the money they make doesn’t stay here. In addition, once the families back in Latin America get a hold of the cash sent back home, they buy products from American stores and suppliers. So, in effect, the money circulation is reciprocal. Your argument is the same old argument against immigration that has been used for the last 200 years on every other ethnic group from around the world, “We can’t sustain growth with the moocher immigrants flooding our country”. It just is not true. Go fight the real enemies who are the multi-national corporations.
AS3
February 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
” Listen, Alex may be on the money with some of his arguments, but you guys who want to blame the state of the economy on the influx of undocumented workers are just flat out wrong. The net economic affect of their labor in the economis in the positive billions of dollars. Not the other way around. Contrary to the argument that they are a strain on the social services, they actually pay more in taxes than whatever charges could be accumulated for the use of social services. These guys buy groceries, pay rent, buy cars, gas, clothes, etc. Just because a small amount of their income goes back to Latin America, it doesn’t mean that the majority of the money they make doesn’t stay here. In addition, once the families back in Latin America get a hold of the cash sent back home, they buy products from American stores and suppliers. So, in effect, the money circulation is reciprocal. Your argument is the same old argument against immigration that has been used for the last 200 years on every other ethnic group from around the world, “We can’t sustain growth with the moocher immigrants flooding our country”. It just is not true. Go fight the real enemies who are the multi-national corporations.”
arrrghhhh….
February 14th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Actually, rethink, tens of millions of illegals getting free medical care, welfare, schooling, and other social services is raising our deficit, big time. Then there are the ones filling up our prisons faster then we can build them. They also lower wages and raise housing costs. No fucking Bueno, Paco! I certainly don’t think it’s the main problem or that all Mexicans are La Reconquistas(though many are) that want to kill the gringo. Many of them are also dealing shit like meth that comes up from Mexico. I live in a shithole apartment complex in a sanctuary city in Colorado, I see it every damn day!
February 15th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Sounds like Phantom is looking for some other than himself to blame for living in a shit hole. Sounds like you like to preach personal responsibility by won’t take it yourself. I’ll ask you a question. Do you know who are the highest purveyors of meth? Guess what, its mostly white biker gangs who sit on top of the methamphetimine pyramid, not Mexican undocumented workers. You may also be unaware that this “Reconquista” moniker is something that was made up by racist organizations like the “Minute Men”.
Undocumented immigrants do not lower wages. Most of the skilled ones are making higher wages of $20hr and more.
The undocumented worker actually lowers housing costs as well as the cost of every other product or service in America, not because they lower wages, but because they are so efficient in their work production that the going labor wage rate garners more production from the undocumented worker than from any other group. Simply put, they work harder and that makes life more affordable for you.
Their use of social services is actually 1000 times smaller than any other group in the United States. Hell, if someone pays taxes, they should expect a return in social services. The fact is that their use of social services has been consistently blown out of proportion. In addition, their net positive economic effect elliminates any cost of social services rendered.
You want to talk about Prisons? Do you actually think that the lower socio-economic and undocumented workers commit more crimes than white collar or middle and upper class people? Maybe you should study crime and punishment a little further.
There is one thing for sure, your patriotism certainly is phantom. If you truly believed in freedom, you would want freedom for all men, not just me my four and no more. And you would fight the real enemy to freedom, the multi-national corporations and the world banking institutions.
Fight for freedom!
AS3
February 15th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
The only damn reason the illegals are crossing our borders is that their damn government is more corrupt than ours. Don’t blame the U.S. for your financial problems. You’re a communist State just like all the rest. You don’t have the backbone to stand up against your own damn government. You want to come to America and mooch off of the U.S. taxpayers. You’re mostly a bunch of damn parasites.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Lori,
Your assumptioins are wrong. I am a 6th generation Texan. Suffices to say that I am an American. So, when you say my government is communist, you are talking about your own government. That is if you are a legal immigrant to the US or an American citizen. Are you an American? It doesn’t seem like you believe in freedom. My family fought in many wars to guarantee your freedom here in America. You should be more grateful and if you don’t want to be considered a 3rd class human being, then you shouldn’t treat others that way. Remember the golden rule? Our economy (if you are an American) is a world economy. That means that we have everything to do with the economy of every other country in the world. That means that the Economies of Latin America are completely dependant on the US economy. Do you know anything about history?
Please don’t continue being a sheep.
AS3