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Mandatory In-Car Breathalyzers Coming?
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Eric Peters
National Motorists Association
June 23, 2008
If you’re not a convicted drunk driver, should you still be required to have an in-car breathalyzer fitted (at your expense, ‘natch) to your next new vehicle?
Apparently, some automakers — including GM and Toyota — think so. They and a few others are working together under the auspices of something called the Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety, which is a $10 million federal “research program” that is trying to develop just such technology for mass introduction a few years from now.
At the moment, the only people who have to deal with (and pay for) in-car Breathalyzers are convicted drunks; the devices are basically ignition locks that prevent the vehicle’s engine from being started until the would-be driver blows into the tube and the system determines he’s not liquored up.
But by 2012 or so, in-car breath sniffers could be standard equipment in every new vehicle sold, force-fed to you by the tag team of Washington, Detroit and, of course, the ever-busy Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD).
No conviction necessary.
Advocates say the technology under development would be “less intrusive.” Instead of making the driver blow into a little tube like they make you do at those roadside “sobriety checkpoints,” a system of passive alcohol sensors would be fitted to the car that could take a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) reading via a person’s skin — as when your hand touches the shifter or steering wheel. This “quiet” approach is supposed to make us feel better about being pre-convicted and treated like known and duly processed irresponsible drunks every single time we get behind the wheel of a car.
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It doesn’t work for me.
I dislike drunk drivers as much as Mothers Against Drunk Driving (is anyone actually for drunk driving)? But I certainly do object to policies and regulations that impose cost and hassle and arguably, petit tyranny, on people who have done absolutely nothing to warrant it.
This isn’t about nannyism so much as it is about upending a few basic bedrock Western ideas about criminal justice, rights and responsibilities. Chief among these being that each of us gets treated as a specific individual.
If we do something wrong, we get specifically held accountable for it; the guy next door who had nothing to do with it isn’t dragged along for the ride. But that’s just what is happening here — indeed, has already happened — from those so-called “sobriety checkpoints” (which mostly “check” perfectly sober drivers) to the growing kudzu of “primary enforcement” seat belts laws that pester (and ticket) people for not wearing a seat belt, an action that may not be especially smart on an individual level but which has very little to do with the safety or well-being of others.
What’s even worse than these growing harassments, however, is how few object to them on principle.
Perhaps it’s because of the continuous dumbing-down of the populace, which knows all about Lindsay Lohan’s latest bender and who’s the latest finalist on American Idol but no longer understands that the ends don’t justify the means — and that down that road lies much worse than henpecky tickets and having to pay a few more bucks for your next new car as a result of some government mandate.
People used to get that; today, most don’t seem to. It’s the only way to explain the tsunami-like effectiveness of the word, “safety” — which doesn’t have to be specifically defined, quantified, subjected to cost-benefit analysis or throttled back by the once-superior claim of the individual’s “personal bubble of authority” — where he or she formerly reigned supreme, free of the suffocating and endless edicts of others who claim their evaluation of a perceived risk trumps your personal right to choose.
Just say “safety” (and for added emphasis, include “our children”) and no objection can be sustained.
This latest bit of ugliness burbling up from the stinkpot of government-corporate do-gooderism is merely a symptom of the underlying canker that is our ignorance — and acquiescence.
Earlier generations of Americans would have said, “Hold on a minute. I haven’t been convicted of driving drunk; hell, I’ve never even been suspected of it. Why in the world should I be required to buy an alcohol sniffer to check me out before I drive?” They would have insisted on tough punishment for the specific dimwit who got behind the wheel of a car impaired by booze. But they would have insisted, with equal toughness, that everyone else be left the hell alone to go about their business in peace.
Today, however, the siren song of saaaaaaaaafety is like a secular version of the prayer call in Muslim countries. When people hear it, they automatically fall down on their knees en masse and begin to worship.
God may be great — but “safety” is rapidly gaining ground on him.
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June 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I wrote a blog on this saying essentially the same thing. It’s open to EVERYONE and can be commented on by ANY myspace member. I’d encourage everyone to come check it out: http://blog.myspace.com/index......=408568232
June 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
IF U HAVE A PRIOR DUI THEN YES DO IT! DRUNK DRIVING IS DANGEROUS AND KILLS COUNTLESS PEOPLE EVERY YEAR. IF YOU DONT HAVE A DUI THEN I DONT THINK THERE IS ANY REASON TO PUT ONE IN YOUR CAR.
ITS LIKE HAVING EVERYBODIES APENDIX REMOVED AT AGE 16 BECAUSE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT MAY SWELL UP IN THE FUTURE.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
#2————-Yeah, I read a while back about some women who are having their breasts removed so they don’t get brest cancer.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
wear gloves
June 24th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
#2, not to mention people who did it once when they were stupid 20 years ago and don’t do it anymore
June 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
yes because people NEVER LEARN> it only takes the actions of a few,to punish the many. think back to grade school morons.
i am totally for this.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I feel like I’m in a Steven King Novel or a Sci Fi Horror movie or a nightmare I can’t wake that I can’t wake from.
Everyday it get’s worse. I keep hoping I am going to wake up and realize it was just a nightmare.
I don’t know what’s more frightening what is actually happening or the ignorance of the people I am surrounded by.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I have been endorsing this idea for awhile now. But don’t throw the whole cost on the people. The manufacturers and the government should also help pay for this.
Big bars should also offer their own shuttle services. I have done the math on this. Even at only $20 dollars- it could get each person a ride to and from the bar. To and from, all for only $20 bucks. Then poor people and middle class would have an option, besides being tempted to drive under the influence.
The only people who lose in this plan are cops, and taxis. GOOD.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
The woman in the car is a cutie.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” – B.Franklin
yes, he was right… totally…
June 24th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
i’s mainly the mexicans who are getting drunk and killing people in the US. They come over the border and go,”Hey, cool, paved roads!!! Pass the tequila!!” The fact that drinking and driving is illegal means nothing to them. They have no concept of our laws or our society. They think it’s a big holiday and that they have arrived at the biggest party. Then they say things like, “What do you mean I need a license??!!” Then they kill a few pwople after hitting the sauce real hard. Kinda funny how fast you can get on a paved highway. They just aren’t used to it. This technology is for them, because they will be the only ones with jobs able to afford the new cars. Sad but true. I’ve lost 2 jobs this year because Latinos will work for 2 dollars an hour less than me. Plus I’m bilingual!! America deserves to go down. We suck. So much for my positive attitude.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
everyday for the rest of our lives they will test for alcohol, drugs,sunburn,oatmeal,registration,books,shampoo,underware,housework,mail,accounts,snoring,
bills,entertainment,friends…ect.,ect.,ect. The list grows everyday by leaps and bounds. Wraped in
golden chains.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
What other draconian means will they think up to replace that revenue?Maybe the car will contact authorities and issue you a citation for intent to drink and drive through onstar, which having all your info will deduct the money right from your account.(tack on a service fee too.)turn to your friend tomorrow at work and say”this is the greatest country in the world”
June 24th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
great another thing on a car only the dealer will be able to fix. I could only image what the dealer is going to want to replace one of these things. But hell, it will keep are children safe, right
June 24th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I wonder if you could just use a turkey baister to blow into it? That would be too easy, huh? Or just fill a balloon full of your breath before drinking? Then untie it, and let rip! Or maybe get your sober friend to blow for you! Then the cop can say “have you been drinking?” and you could say, “of course not, the car started, didn’t it?” What if it was easy as putting the thing up to a stiff breeze? I bet the balloon would work, though.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
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June 24th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Here’s what they haven’t told us: “Once you blow over the limit the device immediatly tasers you or releases a gas that incapacitiates you. Then it alerts the local authorities to swing by, not to see if you’re ok, rather to issue you a ticket, a beating and/or an arrest.” Wow, now that’s something we REALLY need in our cars, why didn’t we think of this sooner?
Y’know what I’m sick of is how we’re expected to buy tonnes of booze and cigarettes but don’t you dare consume them. Oh no, we can’t have that!
Here’s how we beat them at their own game: Continue to maintain your current car or get one that is affordable to maintain and don’t buy anything new. You can also do what I do and ride a motorcycle. Cheaper, more fun and no stopchecks for seatbelts. Why anyone would drink and ride is beyond me especially since it is a lot harder to do on two wheels.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
MADD should change their name to NAGG: Nazis Advocating Global Government. MADD is funded by the auto industry. CSPI is funded by the Rockefellers and the biotech industry. Partnership for a Drug-Free America is funded by the alcohol and tobacco industries. Every phony “we know what’s best for you” nanny-state Nazis are funded by the very same things they claim to be against. I am SICK of their FUCKING LIES! You people better wake up, or these Nazi bastards will murder your children or sterilize your children. You wanna “think of the children”? Then think of the children and protect the children by standing up to these fucking Nazis!
Alex, just thought of a song you could play as bumper music: “Nazis 1994″ by Roger Taylor.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Breathalyzers NEVER test for alcohol, because that’s impossible. The so-called “legal limit” is 0.00% is all states. Now your car will testilie against during every traffic stop, with it’s DUI ignition interlock computer flash drive, and GPS speed detection and location flash drive. Speeding ticket by mail, DUI SWAT death squad arrest in your home. Suckers.
“Strictly speaking, a driver can register a BAC of 0.00% and still be convicted of a DUI. The level of BAC does not clear a driver when it is below the ‘presumed level of intoxication.’”
—Tennessee Driver Handbook and Driver License Study Guide
“One of the major defects in many methods of blood-alcohol analysis is the failure to identify ethanol to the exclusion of all other chemical compounds. Thus a client with other compounds in his blood or breath may have a high ‘blood-alcohol’ reading with little or no ethanol in his body. If you look at the warranties – it is sort of interesting – none of the breath machine manufacturers warrant these things to actually test blood alcohol.”
—Lawrence Taylor, attorney at law, DUICENTER.COM, Drunk Driving Defense, 5th Edition (2000)
“Nancy Benoit also had a blood alcohol reading of .184, although Sperry said the blood alcohol and drug levels could be affected by the decomposition of her body. ‘These (blood alcohol) results are not reliable for interpretation because the amount of alcohol in her system could have all come from the decomposition.’”
—Cindy Morley, Fayette Daily News, GBI: Chris Benoit’s son was full of Xanax, July 18, 2007
“There’s a report out tonight that 24-years ago I was apprehended in Kennebunkport, Maine, for a DUI. That’s an accurate story. I’m not proud of that. I oftentimes said that years ago I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much and I did on that night. I was pulled over. I admitted to the policeman that I had been drinking. I paid a fine. And I regret that it happened. But it did. I’ve learned my lesson.”
—President George W. Bush, CNN Larry King Live, November 2, 2000
June 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Mike From Austin, you’re onto something. Reminds me of the days when we performed ‘balloon hoots’ to get the most out of our ‘leisuretime’ if you know what I’m saying. Your proposal is ideal! Heck, someone might even try flatulating into it. No, wait! That ‘air’ may contain some alcohol so maybe it needs to be further investigated…lol!
June 24th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Sounds like it could save lives. But, what if you have alcohol on your hands from working?
June 24th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
This is tyranny, they are already creating citizens into criminals with ridiculously low blood alcohol levels that do not take into account body weight or tolerance, more over, the jist of highway deaths occurs as a result of fatigue…people falling asleep.
Death to MADD!
June 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I said this ws a possibility yesterday and AccuracyCounts said it was far fetched. looks like its not so far fetched is it?
June 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
pablo drifter number 11.. lmfao get out of here with that b.s
now mexicans are mainly responsible for draining the economy, starting wars, bringing weed into america,and killing people with cars
SCAPEGOAT MUCH?
all this mexican hate reminds me of jew hate
June 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Forget the test… who the beaver in the pic? she can blow my cock… i meen Breathalyzer anyday.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
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June 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
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June 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I dont care about all this damn stuff they make me install. I and all you guys am too smart for their stuff. We will find a way around any of it. Its easy to just rip the damn thing out. We could build our own cars and skip putiing in all this GPS breathalizer computer tracking etc. Sometimes they just CANT force their will on a non-compliant population that want NONE of it.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
http://www.thereignofchrist.org
Today, the United Nations with it’s sinister ‘declarations’
is the antichrist. The UN outwardly seems to be a good
‘peace keeping’ force, but many of it’s declarations are
subtle and evil, lying couched like a leopard, as it ushers in
The Battle in the heavens and on earth
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the New World Order. This organization will be replaced
by a man, the antichrist himself, who will do the bidding
of the Dragon. This man opposes directly God the Son.
“And the beast which I saw was like to a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth
of a lion. And the Dragon gave him his own strength and
great power. And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to
death, and his death’s wound was healed. And all the earth
was in admiration after the beast. And they adored the
dragon which gave power to the beast. And they adored the
beast, saying: ‘Who is like to the beast? And who shall be
able to fight with him?’”31
The people of the world are in admiration of the superior
weapons technology which the mega-powers use in their
ever expanding global battle-field. The Prophet Daniel
foretold: “And the king shall do according to his will, and
he shall be lifted up, and shall magnify himself against
every god, and he shall speak great things against the God
of gods, and shall prosper, till the wrath be accomplished,
for the determination is made. And he shall make no
account of the God of his fathers, and he shall follow the
lust of women, and he shall not regard any gods, for he
shall rise up against all things. But he shall worship the
god Maozim in his place, and a god whom his fathers
knew not. He shall worship with gold, and silver, and
precious stones, and things of great price. And he shall do
this to fortify Maozim with a strange god, whom he has
acknowledged, and he shall increase glory, and shall give
them power over many, and shall divide the land gratis.”32
Maozim is the god of military forces, star wars, and strong
holds. If you do not think that this god of war is not
idolized, just look at the entertainment areas in public
transportation places, as well as in the sports arcades in the
cities, and the ‘games’ advertised in the music stores – you
will see – you do know.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
So it’s supposed to check that through skin contact with the steering wheel. Hmmm and I suppose if it doesn’t get any reading at all – because someone is wearing gloves – it’ll shutdown the engine too.
My that’s bad! Me and all my Jack Boot friends we wear gloves all the time, our reinforced Enforcer genuine leather gloves and we don’t even take them off to wash hands! .. and now you’re telling me I have to take them off and arghhh! touch! that steering wheel with my bare hands! Hell if I got a civilian to take to the station and I have to take my gloves off to do it he or she might see my bare hands!
June 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
“Ello mate Says: June 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I dont care about all this damn stuff they make me install. I and all you guys am too smart for their stuff. We will find a way around any of it. Its easy to just rip the damn thing out. We could build our own cars and skip putiing in all this GPS breathalizer computer tracking etc. Sometimes they just CANT force their will on a non-compliant population that want NONE of it.
Well you’re one of those cattle who think they’re smarter than The Man. You’re not. I’m his dog and I’ll tell you what.
First of all a modern car wont run without the engine electronics package. At a bare minimum that box calculates the right ignition pattern. Then of course it calculates how much fuel to send into the combustion chambers. That’s the bare minimum you would need to rebuild to run your car and I don’t think getting that will be easy. Also you’re not going to get the same kind of mileage as with the original device so your gas costs are going to go up _AND_ you might chronically overheat parts of the engine too while you’re at it so your engine life is going to decrease.
And forget tampering with the device itself, just because you can chip a playstation doesn’t mean you can do that to your car’s electronics. To tell you the truth the people who designed the Playstations or X-boxes have not even nearly done all they can do to fortify their boards against hackers. And think about what it means if the car electronics decide to report you and/or stop working. You can always go out and buy a playstation and try again… but where are you going to get an electronics package for your car? And it could cost up to $4000 too while we’re at it.
So aside from this lack of technical perspective, what really upsets me is this attitude I’m seeing here like “if we all don’t like it we don’t have to take it”. You think if a lot of people refuse their shots will stop giving them. Helll nnooo! We’ll double, triple, quadruple our efforts!
If you rebel, it’ll be Bosnia and Kosovo for you folks, you’ll see. We’re here to stay and YOU cattle are our PROPERTY.
June 24th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
So how about for us here in Vegas and other parts of the desert. I guess I”m supposed to sit in my hot car, hold on to my sizzling hot steering wheel for a period of time when all I want to do is get in and get my damn A/C started. Blow me. I’m not doing this.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:26 am
In the words of Homer Simpson…”Damn you Jackboot…that information is privy…privy I tell you!!!”
June 25th, 2008 at 1:06 am
The hell with it. I will just smoke pot instead.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:40 am
why the fuck do idiots who want to act like they love the cock sucking government get on here and bullshit. Go suck satans cock some where else.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Jackboot: you obviously know nothing about cars, you can take almost any modern engine and retro fit it to run without any electronics other than a battery and spark plugs. ANY ENGINE. Engines have all that electronics to run faster w/ more hp, not just to run. the blocks are still basically the same as they have always been.
“First of all a modern car wont run without the engine electronics package. At a bare minimum that box calculates the right ignition pattern. Then of course it calculates how much fuel to send into the combustion chambers.”
distributer cap, timing belt, and carborator, WOW!!
And by the way we are smarter than the man. because they think all of this will stop us, lol. We the motherf**king People are here to stay.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:56 am
@ Jack Boot – YOU IDIOTS WILL NEVER LEARN FROM HISTORY !
The People will be Planting, people like you in the cornfields soon enough.
Molon Labe.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:58 am
Yes exhale like a good little slave. Let your government regulate everything. This is disgusting. The way I have come to learn it the past 5 years is that everything comes back to the filthy international bankers. We need to get rid of this disease.
Beat the international bankers at their own game……….become debt free and take your finances offshore….
http://www.becomericher.info
June 25th, 2008 at 5:39 am
I wrote a blog on this saying essentially the same thing. It’s open to EVERYONE and can be commented on by ANY myspace member. I’d encourage everyone to come check it out: http://www.myspace.com/chadpolenz
June 25th, 2008 at 6:29 am
the future is gonna be high tech devices that are there to log and tax every action to keep you under their control and also keep you locked in their prison slave labor factories making toys and junk for prospering countries like CHINA
June 25th, 2008 at 6:45 am
Pop your heads out of your rear,do your own research,there are way more people killed by vehicles when there is no alcohol involved.
I don’t endorse drunk driving,but did you ever consider the reasons people drink?,they are medicating themselves to ease the pain of living a nightmare they cannot awaken from.
That nightmare is western society,consumerism,wanting and thinking they need,when they have more than they can use.
Most importantly though,if people drove less,there would be less carnage on the roadways.A great number of trips (most) are un-necessary and wasteful,people are allowed to drive without thorough testing to determine if they are suited to the responsibility (a 16 year old SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING A CAR).
There are way more problems with driving than just alcohol use,alcohol use is the great distractor,when in reality,many people should just not be out there on the roads at all.
Aside from the cost of fuel…………..
June 25th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Modifying auto electronics is easy,in this interlock shit,all you have to do is determine where the sensor is plugged into the system,determine if it is ac or ao switching,and jump the circuit appropriately.
If it is software based versus hardware,it will be too difficult to keep it running because of interference,aircraft computer systems work because they are away from interference,remote,auto computer systems are prone to interference from ground clutter.
Cops are assholes
Politicians are worse
I ride a bicycle,fuck you all!
June 25th, 2008 at 7:43 am
so, it’s the
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counts here
June 25th, 2008 at 8:02 am
lmao Robert. “I ride a bicycle,fuck you all!”
Id be more worries with my buddies. You know one night, you would be all loaded, and one of your buddies will be a dick and blow into your car to get you in shit lol
June 25th, 2008 at 8:56 am
tom and thomas – stop piggybacking on the infowars site to advertise for yourself…you’re as bad as the government…
June 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
All, that’s going to come out of such a requirement is that you’ll have to have someone else start your car.. “Hey Tom, would you mind coming out to my car to `blow me’ – I’ve had to much to drink, and I need to get home.”
June 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am
this will never fly. The states will fight this tooth and nail. It will reduce the number of convictions which will result in a drop in the revenue collected by arresting people for DUI. Why do you think they lowered the limit to .08? Over 90% of alcohol related fatalities occur at .15 BAC or higher. It wasn’t about safety… it was about collecting money and putting more people into the system.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:19 am
So Mormons and the rest of us who don’t drink will be forced to participate? It’s like giving a nun an HIV test for heaven’s sake! Gotta love this “one size fits all” McCulture we are being forcefed by the Loving Elites.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am
…and after the care decides you have too much alcohol to drive, the info will be relayed to Onstar who will then notify police who will immediately show up at your car and write you a hefty fine for attempted drunk driving. It was only a matter of time before this crap showed up.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I actually don’t think this is a bad idea as long as the cost – it will likely be built into the cost of new cars – is reasonable. Who cares if your BAC is read through the steering wheel? Nobody will be killed by a drunk driver again if they can’t start their car. Even Mormons and people who don’t drink can still be killed by somebody else. The roads will be safer.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Angus, then you will be faced with the problem of people having someone else blow into it for them that have not been drinking… and then it will be oh no… we need cameras in all the cars now! and what about older cars? I guess you will have to pay to have these put in and don’t fool yourself into thinking that you won’t have to pay for this in newer cars! It will cause the price to go up! You get nothing for free! I’m so sick of these people who are oooh it’s for our safty…
Look you aren’t even going to be 100% safe! There is always going to be crime… and so on!
I think you ought to just accept that and live with that! The alternative is much worse… giving into all this crap will certainly bring you total and complete tyranny!
June 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Guess if/when this happens, I’ll be stuck driving my old car forever. I dont drive DRUNK, but I do enjoy going out and having a few beers (YES over the .08 BAC level, suck it!).
June 25th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Don’t trust the MM – I understand how this stuff can go bad, but anything can. People are killed by drunk driver’s every day. Maybe its a fraction of the total amount killed, but it a fraction you can stop. And if it was someone close to you, fractions don’t mean a thing. And I don’t think having someone else put there hands on the wheel would be an issue as the wheel would constantly sense changes.
As for cameras in the car – well that’s practically here already. EZ pass, some highways, red lights, etc. GPS follows most cars everywhere. Freedom to ruin lives through irresponsible stupidity is one freedom we can do without. Yeah, I know. That’s how it starts right?
June 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Personally if I could afford it I would volunteering set one of these devices up in my own car just to keep the temptation away from me driving home drunk and risking a DUI or worse.
As I get older and as the drunk driving laws get more draconian I am very fearful of getting a DUI. I try to moderate my alcohol consumption and fortunately I live in a city where if I do get too drunk I can take a bus or taxi home or just sleep in my car until the next day but there are times
I found myself driving home thinking I’m OK when actually I really shouldn’t. This is where the device would come in handy for me. So this would be perfect for me personally.
On the other hand I don’t know if it should a required device. I’ve always been against seatbelt and helmet laws. Simple fact that not wearing a helmet or seat belt does not endanger other people’s lives only the individual who decides whether they should wear one or not and risk injury or death but its a hard call about the breathalizer because obviously driving under the influence does endanger others, and whether you or I drink or not there are others who may not be as responsible.
Now I’m surprised that MADD is behind this. Simply because if every car is equipped with these devices then it would eventually put MADD out of business.
June 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
MADD is out of control. at what point does putting breathalyzers in all cars ignition systems (this is non-feesable as 10 millions autos/month would require this technology which is not free) become a really dumb idea. clearly nobody thought about it and MSM has to put this a a top story on a slow news day (control, control, control) without a single critic of it.
why wont this work? people can breathe on it for you,. like the drunk who gets his oil changed (the lube kids have to breathe in it to turn the engine over), its not hard to get someone else to do it. also, in cars built before the 1970’s. there is no computuer system hardware. how can you hook up digital to analog? thats just plain dumb. also, what happens if you brush your teeth and rinse with mouthwash….there is enough alchohol in that stuff to make your breath “blow over”, try it all out if you’re a doubter, but at least fucking think where this will go when we start allowing niche “morality” groups to dictate what the state does. maybe when madd pays for their own installation of these i’ll believe it possible, but thats a hell of a charity drive to bankroll that operation.
also, MADD believe in prohibition of all drugs. they’re quite nazi-like when it comes to intoxicants. believe what you want, just dont take the moral high ground when you spend millions on adverstiments that back your views on putting poor criminal “pot smokers” in jail for 20 years. how bout the MADD just give some of their advertising budget to social programs, treatment programs and EDUCATION. naw, that would actually accomplish something
June 25th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I have written extensively on this. MADD execs get loads of money. They are fundmental prohibitionists, and they are neo-puritans that want to put signs up everywhere saying “NO FUN ZONE”. If you are on a bicycle with a beer, they want you arrested. If you are on a skateboard with a beer, they want you arrested. If you are walking down the street with a beer, they want you arrested. Funny thing is they want you to drive a car, and they are really just the wives of rich corporate and political big shots. But since they are “mothers” we are to assume they want the best for children! When they lowered it to .08 that was the dead giveaway. That means you can drink a beer, get in the car, and blow “dirty”. They are saying you can’t have a single beer. They do not care if you are too drunk to drive. They care if you had a single drink. They know the car won’t start if you gargled with listerine, or scope. They know it won’t start if you had to take some Nyquil for your bad cold. Even if you put some vanilla extract in you milkshake, you can blow dirty. Here is something to look for. Find the company that makes the device, find the men who hold stock in it, own it. Find out who their wives are, and then check MADD. The loving mothers will be there.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Also, they base studies on data collected on alcohol related accidents, gotten from police reports. What they leave out is WHO caused the accident! The cop comes up and you have alcohol on your breath, and the report shows “alcohol related”. There is a can laying on the floorboard, the report says “alcohol related”. Have you had anything to drink today? Yes, earlier, “Alcohol related”. They then say that alcohol was the cause of the accident in the study, MADD avers. What they don’t tell you is that “Joe” had a couple at the pub, waited for the left turn signal, and the other driver decided to take an unprotected right, smashing his car. Alcohol related. “Angie” had a glass of wine at the bistro, and as she came down the parking lot, somebody backed into her, not looking, talking on the phone perhaps? Alcohol related. See what i mean? I even took the rap one time for a woman I know. We had a few at a big barbeque, and as we came down the road, some IDIOT decided to perform a U-turn into oncoming traffic! Bam. Illegal alien (that’s another topic), and he ran off. Not OUR FAULT. I spent 20 days in County for that. Alcohol related. They could not prove I was over the limit. They had to change the charge to obstruction of passageway. But guess what? It still, to this day comes up on their computers that it was a DWI. How can that be? Because they don’t count the judges ruling. They count the charge, even if it is later dropped. According to MADD, and their “methods” of data accumulation, almost everything is alcohol related. Stupidity, poor visibility, slick conditions, light running, traffic light malfunction, everything related goes right out the window as soon as one gulp of beer is taken.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Here is another thing that makes me mad. They say that if you drink even a little, you WILL cause an accident EVENTUALLY. I know at least a dozen people who have perfect records, who have been driving since the early eighties. Driving every day for 25 years, drinking when they wanted to, and never having an accident. That is 9,125/0 mistakes ratio. I think some people are just bad drivers that don’t pay attention.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Give me a break! There are a lot bigger issues out there that we need to stay on top of. What you don’t know, and may never know, is how many lives were saved because you little babies were inconvenienced. One life saved would be worth it to me. Stop the whining!
June 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Incidently, I didn’t ask for airbags, but I paid for them anyway. Why is that any different than the breathilizer? Many drunk drivers don’t sustain much personal injury in accidnts – but, the innocent victims always do. You’re a bunch of self-serving morons!
June 25th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
NOT IN MY VEGI OIL BENZ, BEOTCH NWO!
June 25th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Self serving what?
“But I certainly do object to policies and regulations that impose cost and hassle and arguably, petit tyranny, on people who have done absolutely nothing to warrant it.”
June 25th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I wonder if it comes w/a night gown and plays like it’s gonna kiss you on the cheeck as a rouse; or, has ol’ ma’s face on it?
June 25th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
keith, you are from outer space man. have you not the cognative ability to do a little mathematics? one person weighing 120 lbs (i picture a jockey or small circus preformer) can take an entire hour (thats 60 minuites, or 3600 seconds) to drink ONE beer (355 ml…average northamerican size) at 4.5% alchohol by volume (being from canada, that would be our lightest beer) and STILL BLOW OVER .08%. (my chilean neighbor is a prime example of preemo lightweight skill) anyone with their head not lodged in their anus could see the logistical problems.
plus, as mike from austin said, MADD is a not-for-profit society. how much money can 10 million breathalyzers cost to put in automobiles? i know for a fact that installing one in a jeep grand cherokee takes 2 hours of labour (according to the blue/motor’s mechanics guide) PLUS (assuming its a court ordered installation) cost which was $3000 (the fellow whom’s vehicle i repair has one, i am quoting the price from him). now assuming you could get a sweet charity discount on an hourly rate. you’re looking at 100 dollars an hour. or 200 for instillation. Thats a price tag of approx. $3200, at 10 million autos (an extremely lowball estimate) that a small price tag of 320 billion dollars. Shit. even if the price tag of a breathalyzer ignition system was 30 bones, thats only $2.3 billion…lol thats not feesable. even adding this system at factory is not feesable. but then again, i live in the real word.
June 26th, 2008 at 12:20 am
HEY KEITH ,I MEAN BLINDED DUMB-ASS SHEEPLE, I THINK AND EVERYBODY THINKS YOUR A SELF-SERVING COMMUNIST PUNK – DUMB-ASS
June 26th, 2008 at 3:06 am
FINALLY!!!!!! THE ELITE DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR A CHANGE. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
Alcohol controls the way you think so if you truly want to wake up, stop consuming it as well as meat. That, as well as mass media is how they control you. Now you know the secret. what are you going to do about it?
June 26th, 2008 at 5:35 am
Where dose this shit stop? Let me ask you ,take a guy who s worked all day out in the hot sun ,and stops by and has 2 cold beers after work and get in his car to go home.I don,t know about you people but after 8 or9 hours out in the hot sun 2 beers isn,t drunk or even buuzzed,but get pulled over and you are drunk as far as all these assholes go! And to top that here in FL. you just got your self about $3 to $4,000 worth off bullshitOh and don,t throw a cigg. butt out the window that s jail time!!!
June 26th, 2008 at 10:58 am
me says,
To an extent, I stand corrected. I may be wrong, but I was assuming that installation would be phased in over time and be applicable to new cars only. I do agree with you that it would be wrong and would be cost prohibitive to impose it across the board. However, though your cost estimate for existing vehicles may be accurate, I think it would be substantially less for new vehicles, installed on a production line.
I pretty much agree with most evrything originating from AJ’s sites. But, at some level, for new cars at least, I think this “safeguard” is a great idea. When people drink to excess, they have little or no regard for the safety of others. We all know the statistics and have heard the horror stories. I have the same concern as marlboro man (68) though, it’s a slippery slope – where will it end.
So, since we have the technology, what’s the answer? I don’t think doing nothing is the answer.
June 26th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Has anyone given any thought to equipping cars with drug testing equipment? Who knows how many drivers are out there on the roads driving under the influence of prescription drugs…
How about having cars set up to detect how many hours of sleep the driver has had during the previous 24 hours?
Perhaps we should just prohibit anyone from driving at all. That would certainly reduce accidents and injuries a great deal.
Wait a moment though; if nobody drove a car there would be no profits for the auto manufacturers, no profits for the insurance companies, no profits for the oil companies. Of course we can’t do something so draconian as stopping driving altogether!
What we have to do is simply accept the fact that that nobody cares about reducing accidents and injuries, and that the real reason for additional restrictions on driving is to increase costs for citizens, increase profits for insurance companies, and create additional reasons to impose fines on people.
June 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
WhoCaresAnyMore,
Excellent points! I concede my position. Now, how do we beef up the laws so that our worthless judges will stop letting the hibitual offenders off the hook? A lot of what I’ve read in the past revealed that the drunks who’ve killed someone, had several prior DUI convictions. As for unlicensed drivers, lock them up forever.
June 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Just think about all the guys going out on a date and the alcohol in their colognes deactivates their car’s ignition. All those women stood up.
June 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
When do the politically incorrect detectors become mandatory on all new cars. Or what about dissention detectors? If I’m not gay will I have to pay more? If I complain will it be a hate crime?! What about an IRS CAM to see if you are hiding money? Get real.
June 27th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Screw MADD–
Support DAMM- Drunks Against Madd Mothers
June 29th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Your all fucking idiots, so what if the government and the automakers decide to install these. Its a matter of Public Safety not the fucking government punishing us. I bet if your momma or wife and kid got hit by a drunk driver you’d fucking care wouldn’t you, then what. If these are installed, guess what you might get to see them when they get home. Quit playing fucking video games and get a real FUCKING JOB instead of bitching and crying.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:06 pm
But I like video games, and I hate working.