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Margaret Sanger’s Case For Eugenics
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“The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics.” Birth Control Review, 1921
As the Founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger is considered a hero to many for bringing choice to women in America. However, it becomes obvious from Sanger’s own words and publications that she did not care about freedom of choice, but cared only for a superior race, and she had a plan to “prevent multiplication of this bad stock”.
Sanger was a member of the American Eugenics Society. She was a eugenicist who wanted to forcefully sterilize people, she wrote many articles and books on the subject. In 1922 she wrote The Pivot of Civilization, (HG Wells wrote the introduction)and she refers to people as “human weeds” and morons who did not deserve to have children. In The Case for Birth Control she offers a vague list of random reasons that would justify sterilization, it included anyone that was “poor” and people with children that are “not normal.” With such ambiguous standards, virtually anyone could be labeled as unfit.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Hitler admired the work of Margaret Sanger, and modeled many of his Eugenics Laws after America’s. Coincidentally, Hilter’s director of the Racial Hygiene Society, Ernst Rudin was the same man that Sanger had previously commissioned for her own agenda, publishing his work in her magazine, the Birth Control Review.
In 1939 Margaret Sanger began “The Negro Project”and to bring people along willingly she enlisted black preachers to support sterilization. She outlined the deceitful plan in a letter to Clarence Gamble of the Procter and Gamble Empire,
“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”
Sanger’s personal “Plan for Peace” outlines what she really thought of our human rights.
The second step of her plan “would be to take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployable, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strengthening and development of moral conduct.”
Margaret Sanger has been paraded around as an advocate for “women’s rights”, her historic value has been overinflated, and her dark history has been, (and is being) rewritten by the main stream media. Life Magazine for example, has even placed Margaret Sanger as one of the “most important people of the century” which may be true… if you are a eugenicist.
“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
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June 9th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I’ve been researching this witch lately, thanks to Alex for mentioning her quite a bit in the last week, and she one rotten lady. I guess she was a pioneer to the feminists of her day. Just another evil social planner whose blue prints have never been shredded, but are followed closely to this day.
tuff old bird Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Selective history,people are just caught in unless propaganda to prop up a system of abuse,that in my view they have learn to worship.I talk to anyone that will give me time,I find that there attention span is about 5 seconds.They have none if any understanding of history.
dmc Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
have you seen the new BCpill commercials – eugenics can now “give you great skin” and only 3-4 periods a year – YAAAY !
Stasis of Season's Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am
You know the funny thing about this commercial is the part where the lady asks “Who said you have to have a period once a month?” both me and my roomate say at the same time “nature!” of course then you get the huge list of side effects all said really fast and how is stroke one of them?
theTruth Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
to quote Mr. Carlin…
“has anyone noticed that most of these people are people you wouldn’t want to f*ck in the first place?”
not exactly on the same topic but it’s the first thing that comes to mind everytime i see her picture..
I am all about personal freedom and choice, regardless whether you’re anti-abortion, pro-choice, or a psycho into eugenics the bottom line is no one has the right to tell anyone else what to do or not to do with their body
Good (Patriot) Guy Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Your “personal freedom” you are so proud of (abortion on demand I’m sure) is just another name for communist new world order depopulation agenda. Anyone who supports abortion supports the new world order. You are brainwashed just like all the couch potatoes watching American Idol and football.
metalfunk Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
aborton is not something you should take such a harsh stance on in some cases it is nessary but i allso dont think you should get one insteed of responable birth control condoms not pills
Blow me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Christian tool. No one supports abortion. They support choice. Something you would know nothing about in your closed world view.
steve Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:05 am
No, a closed world view is believing that choice means you have the right to absolve yourself of any personal responsibility and commit murder by claiming a baby is a parasitic part of your body and not a human being created my God.
A woman has the choice to not have sex. She has the choice to use birth control. She has the choice to give up the baby for adoption. Or if she feels the need to kill a human being, she can always kill herself. I don’t think we need to give a woman any more choices.
Godzilla Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am
And Hillary called her “a modern day Thomas Jefferson”, we are truly living in strange times.
Pete Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
The quickest way to get banned from a liberal blog (besides speaking about 9/11 Truth) is to mention these facts about Margaret Sanger.
They just love their eugenics.
homedawg Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Hilldemon Klinton worships this twit…she quotes her all the time…tells you something about our Sec of State doesnt it?
suck it, sanger! Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
the smithsonian actually has a display showcasing ms evol her self. our taxes at work!
we need to call this legendary museum and voice what we know while we can.
live free or die! fight the eye! no slave am i! & ill NEVER comply!
FreedomLover Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I know where she is now. And it ain’t pretty.
Usa Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
shes a witch!
Chris Cudnoski Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Thank you to all trolls and patriots alike for using cuss words on this forum. The government “loves the children” of this nation too much to let them be exposed to such language. Internet 2 will impose fines on websites that allow such language to be used. It will be up to the website host to either pay the fines, pay a fee to allow x-rated content, or pay a moderator to censor your comments since you can’t seem to censor yourselves.
BTW 80% the so-called patriots who make valid, cogent points, and then throw in 3 or 4 cuss words, are paid or unpaid trolls. All they have to do is say something true, that you can agree with, then they pile on the vulgarity which will lead to this sites downfall, and you allow this to happen because you happen to agree with the statement they made.
If you are not a troll, stop the cussing right now!
janine Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Well, we know she is surely in hell right beside Hitler.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Sick! Very Sick! We truly live in an evil, demented, perverted, twisted world and society! Sad, very sad!
"ren Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
i agree
Ryan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I’m just glad shes rotting in hell right now.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am
If she is implying that people should be forced into sterilization, then she is mentally retarded? Why doesn’t she mind her own business? She should write a book about how wonderful being a mother or a father is, and how important having a new generation is?
Davey C Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am
She ca’nt. She’s dead. she’s discussing eugenics with Dr. Tiller over the nice toasty flames of Hell!
FreedomLover Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
No, she’s not discussing anything with anybody. Read “23 Minutes in Hell” by Bill Wiese. When she can get a breath, she’s letting it out shrieking in agony.
janine Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I saw that, set my teeth on edge, and scared the living daylights out of me. Not good at all people.
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:47 am
I’ll bet that crack is stuffed in a crack. A necrotic crack, just how she liked it.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Incredible article, somedays I wish I nver opened pandoras box, the one marked info war, lol. To think that this woman and America, was a model for the third Reich is unreal. Eugenics wasn’t even in my vocabulary until I got on board the INFO War!
June 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Its a shame someone didnt abort her. These things should be added to her wikipedia page. Everytime they get removed, put them back in it.
JTCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am
If it hadn’t been her, it would have been someone else… you have to look past the individual and realize the underlying evil, we can rely on certain traits to be genetic, but at least half of what we are is a direct result of the environment in which we are nurtured.
JTCoyoté
Marc B. Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
More like 80% genetic, 20% percent environment.
Gary Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
And, indeed, it HAS been someone else, JT; generations of them, following in her footsteps. Also, Sanger was only one among many like-minded eugenicists of her day.
JTCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
You will get no argument from me there, Gary… eugenicists seem to multiply as if by mitosis, and the Petre dish is the public schools… ;^)
JTCoyoté
June 9th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Sorry but i hate that evil bitch…Sanger
Christian Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
She was probably mad because nobody wanted to sleep with her troll looking self.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Click on this link and then scroll down on the page till you get to Margaret Sanger bitch “” and watch the interview with Mike Wallace.
http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/coll.....s/wallace/
Godzilla Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Wow, great resource, thanks for the link Sebastian!!
FreedomLover Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Mike wasn’t afraid to put her in the hot seat, and she sure did a lot of back-pedaling!
Gary Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Thanks for the link, Sebastian. I now believe Sanger was even more evil than I had thought she was. Also, I’m wondering if Mike Wallace is still a smoker today. If so, it’s a wonder he has any lungs left at all. Lately, he looks like a stand-in for the next “Mummy” movie.
Hmmm Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Great link Sebastian, really great stuff in there.
sebastian Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Cheers Mate please go to my Channel on YOUTUBE and watch my videos on the NWOhttp://www.youtube.com/user/WeLoveAlexJones
sebastian Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/WeLoveAlexJones
janine Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Boy was that video something with Mike Wallace and the witch. I picked up some things about her you might be interested to know. Actions speak louder that words, watch the video and watch or actions, it is very telling.
When she is uncomfortable or lies about a subject she – puts hand on face-neck, scratches head,bobs head forward slowly, eyebrows lower or come together, tilts head forward, stammers or lowers voice slightly, asks to repeat question, raises head if don’t like question, plays with her hair-ear.
When she tells the truth or feels strongly about an issue she – gets stern, sits straight, raises voice slightly, tries to stop a grin, shakes head back and forward faster,puts head down and looks at ground, raises head up higher at an angle, rears back and straightens and throws head back faster.
Sanger beliefs: Nurse and think women suffered too many pregnancies of unneeded children, feminist, one of 11 children herself, catholic mom died young due to giving birth to so many kids, Atheist father – town called the family the devil children and father had hard time keeping jobs, said she saw too much cruelty in nursing, didn’t like the state and fed laws on birth control and stigma of sex discussions at the time. loved her movement more than her marriage, pandered birth control from U.S. – China – to Europe, didn’t like the Catholic church laws on birth control and sex or hierarchy of top of church – said they think they are god, supports population conrol, making kids secondary to sex, believes healthy adults can have healthy kids but diseased parents should not have the right to have kids, believes in gov legislation on birth control mandatory, said catholics don’t want birth control because they want more catholics in the churches and will outpopulate others around them, said she was a catholic and then admitted later she is and I quote “non-catholics like myself”, catholic church wrong on issue of birth control she is right, gays are okay but only the non-perverted ones, god – we all have a divinity within ourselves – all religions are so much alike, sin – bring kids into this world with disease from the parent is the greatest sin of all, infidelity – won’t answer the question, murder – terrible act but won’t admit it is a sin.
I only watched 3/4 of the thing and I picked up on all this. Boy is that woman evil and full of hate for everything Catholic or diseased. Hates unneeded children because of no birth control – especially those born to the inferior diseased or undeserving types. She doesn’t realize everyone on the planet has some sort of a disease inside them in one form or another, even her. That is why we eventually all die. Some are taken off this earth before it hits them. We see people die of them every day of our lives in person or on TV or radio. Just watching her, you realize she is the biggest disease of all and she don’t even realize it but you will when you listen to her yourself. She will make you sick, I had to stop the tape, she reminded me of a female Hitler. barf!
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Well, the part you missed at the end was that she has eight grandchildren. Did you catch the part about her believing she’s divine? Divine, whoo! She’s a hag with lice.
FreedomLover Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:29 am
She was. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:27 am
billary worships the ground she walked on.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Saying that planned parenthood is evil is tantamount to saying that unplanned parenthood is the only way to go. But that would be pretty hard to justify – impossible, in fact – and it flies in the face of everything we know about biology.
Humans are more than animals, but biologically, they function in much the same way. In particular, their shapes, sizes, behaviors, and capabilities are largely genetically determined or at least “biased” by their genes, and these determinations or biases are not homogeneous with respect to humanity in general. (Otherwise, genetic determinacy would be limited to a trivial range of variation, and all people raised in the same environment would think and behave identically, have identical shapes, sizes, and IQ’s, and so on, none of which is true.)
In other words, not all men are created equal, except in the sense that all share the general spiritual image of God. However, this image is susceptible to degrees of accidental contamination, some of it no doubt genetic. God wants humanity to survive, but not all human traits are equally conducive to survival; for example, if all humans had a high genetic predisposition toward stupidity and criminal behavior, civilization could not be sustained except by an iron-fisted police state.
It is clearly asinine to inveigh against a global police state, but at the same time, deny the need to make sure that human genetics do not drift toward a physical and mental condition that cannot be sustained except under a police state. Thus, if groups with higher tendencies toward irresponsible parenting, criminal behavior, and lower intelligence “outbreed” other groups and thus inevitably displace them in the gene pool, and these groups lack the intelligence and moral instinct to grasp their need to change, we can be sure that either the breakdown of civilization, or a global police state, is coming.
My question is this: what scientific evidence can anybody on this site offer against the need for some sort of rational reproductive planning, not only on the level of individual families, but on a social scale? My mind is open to any such evidence – I’d love to see it. Until then, I see nothing but contradiction in the simultaneous condemnation of the emerging police state, and the kind of genetic planning that will ensure that the human gene pool does not drift away from the capacity to recognize and conform to the high spiritual and intellectual ideals promulgated by the US Founding Fathers.
The fact that eugenics was once abused, or that it is still cynically abused by an evil elite under whatever name(s) they may choose, does not mean that all forms of eugenics are evil. Can we please stop pretending otherwise? If we do that, we’re just lplaying into the hands of the emerging police state by providing it with an ironclad rationalization: responsible human self-governance is impossible if there are too many stupid and irresponsible people to let it happen.
Thanks, everybody, for using your heads regarding this controversial issue.
Desslok Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:01 am
My “scientific evidence” is that we allow people who think like you to live at all. It’s your way of thinking that is the real threat to mankind. Go on and worship your guidestones in Georgia. Unlike you, we humans have a trait called “compassion”. Not all of us carry this inferiority complex of yours.
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Sorry, Desslock. but that’s not “scientific evidence”. (See what I mean? You can’t even tell the difference between scientific evidence and your own opinion. This problem could be partially genetic.)
Incidentally, you don’t “allow” anything of real importance, much less the “existence” of your moral and intellectual superiors…i.e., people who at least have the “compassion” to worry about future generations of humanity and the long-term preservation of freedom in addition to their own questionable reproductive privileges.
Remember – it’s never too late to start using your head regarding tough issues!
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Live and let live it’s as simple as that. Some people will end up stupid and some people will end up very intelligent. Everything can be explained in spectrums. Some of us will be at one end of the scale and some on the other, with most in the middle. Just let Mother Nature do her thing. You or I don’t have the right to decide anything but our own lives.
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
“Live and let live” is a concept with which I agree. “Breed and let breed” is another thing entirely. Breeding is something you can’t do on your own; you need a partner, you are dooming the child to share any genetic weaknesses in your own constitution, your offspring will compete with the offspring of others for resources even to an extent that could eventually result in their death or enslavement, and so on.
If “Mother Nature” were responsible for all of this, I could see your point. But she isn’t. The world in which some of us are forced to pay for the offspring of others is completely artificial. Those who don’t want birth control or “eugenics” apparently don’t want that level of artificiality, but see nothing wrong with a level of artificiality in which people must pay through the nose for others’ children (even if that means they can’t afford children of their own), endure higher crime rates and the associated repression, affirmative action, and so on. It makes no sense.
On the other hand, if you want to revert to a state of nature, then goodbye, civilization (as I pointed out above). See what I mean?
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I see what you mean. I just don’t agree. What you are describing is human nature. It goes back to what i was saying about spectrums. Some people will turn to crime and some people will fight crime. No one has the right to choose or manipulate genetics in “their” vision.
You are an intelligent person but your arrogance and inhumanity by your logic could be argued as genetic deficiencies.
And what do you mean by “responsible for all this”? Everything you are describing has been around for as long as human beings have. Nothing is new. And if anyone is “responsible for all this” it’s the so called elite sticking their noses in.
I have a friend who is a member of mensa, god knows what her IQ is but her mother and father are both, with all due respect abit stupid. Live and let live, breed and let breed, whatever name you give it it will produce the most beautiful and the most evil. That is the way society works. To artificially manipulate that is simply wrong.
Kopernicus Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Well said, Jim.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5080
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
To add to my comment above. The problems with face today are nothing to do with genetics (nature) they are to do with nurture. Ignorance and apathy are not genetical. The powers that be have created this society through the magic box of TV. If people could break free of that and care more about what’s going on in the world than what Brad Pit had for breakfast we would be in a much better position to fight back.
Look at athletics for example. New world records are being broken all the time. We have a new fastest man on the earth. Athletics is one area where progress hasn’t been nullified. If we applied the same to the rest of society you would see a better world.
Lochness Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Running Faster lol? He is talking about Kepler, Bach, Da Vinci, Luther, Einstein, Gauss, Riemann… namely… WESTERN CIVILIZATION SCIENTIFIC AND CREATIVE ACHIEVEMENTS!
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Rick, we have no scientific evidence that “the problems we face (have) nothing to do with genetics (but only with) nurture.” The evidence I’ve seen points to (e.g.) a 50-80% genetic contribution to IQ…and as the Founding Fathers would have been quick to tell us, intelligence is a crucial factor in rational self-governance.
As far as ignorance is concerned, it can indeed be predicated on genetic limitations of intellectual capacity. That’s not my opinion; that’s a scientific fact. To get around this, you’d have to show that it’s totally irrelevant to the present and future condition of humankind, or can be made so through education. Unfortunately, although this is a popular thesis, we have little or no scientific evidence for it. In fact, IQ is defined in such a way that it is largely synonymous with “educability”, so it is impossible by definition to remedy a statistical IQ deficit with education alone.
As far as athletics is concerned, of course human ability expands as the bar is raised, at least among those with an appropriate geneic potential. But this doesn’t mean that it is expanding “on its own”, or quickly enough to solve our current social problems given certain artificialities of modern civilization. A few home runs or hundredths of a second on some world record might look like a big deal on the sports page, but it’s not enough to ensure the survival of free humanity.
I agree that it would be great if there were some Lamarckian mechanism for smartening up our children in a big hurry with no attention to genetics. But as it stands, our social problems are expanding much faster than our overall intellectual and moral capacity, especially given current unnatural trends in human reproduction.
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
As i said above i don’t believe our problems have anything to do with genetics. We got this far, including you being born and raised to become who you are just fine.
Yes it would be great if we were all smart and ticked every box but thats not how it works. Diversity of life is a beautiful thing. Yes that means we have to take the good with the bad but the artificially mess with that doesn’t mean we will fix all the problems.
Be careful what you wish for.
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Lochness. I know that but the point i was trying to make is that those people that you mention did their thing and in another arena of life someone else has done and will do other great things. To focus on intelligence as being the all mighty thing to being a great person is wrong and as i keep saying you, me or anyone else doesn’t have the right to decide who fits into the “perfect” model.
Our so called “problems” have been around since human beings have and will always be there.
Rick Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Sorry to post again but i was just thinking where i would agree in using the things you subscribe to is to eradicate genetic disease. My mates wife died at 29 from cancer. The doctors told her it would happen at some stage it was just when and where.
We see women having their breasts removed and such like to pre-emptily stop it. If we could understand the genetics of it and stop it that way i would agree that is a good thing.
FreedomLover Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Some things, like faith, kindness and compassion, can’t be measured scientifically; nor can evil. They can only be statistically documented based on the statements of people as well as their actions. In the case of poor and disabled, the Bible is clear. We are to care for them, not kill them. Margaret Sanger had no compassion for the poor and disabled, and she’s in a place now where there is none for her.
Our social problems are expanding because reverence for God has been removed from public life and the eugenicists are doing everything in their power to remove it from private life, even thought, if possible. Instead of reading, writing and life skills, like balancing a checkbook, our students are being force-fed every politically-correct demonic philosoply that exists. The family has been attacked by everything satan can throw at it. Selfishness, convenience and greed have taken over and the family, the most important building block of a nation, has crumbled from the onslaught. This has been a dedicated, relentless effort for ages. When children are raised in a home that reverences God and has compassion for the hurting, the children grow up responsible and pursue professions that are honorable. Children from broken homes add to the social dysfunction. Birth control is not the answer. Morality stemming from a relationship (not religion) with a holy God is what turns the tide of a nation gone horribly wrong. Pray for revival and repentence.
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:22 am
Jim, Reproduction isn’t a privilege. It’s a natural right!
Warrior Priestess GrandMa Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Right on Desslok !
Looks like this poor boozo bought the program.
And Ya know what else? he would have never bought this program if he was not IMPRINTED to lean toward the side of evil…guess his Mommy never told him the magic equasion, which is, “if Ye error, error on the side of Love.”
His is the mind set that believes that the problem is those who he sees as lesser than him….He is not able to see that the problem is REALY with those who kill people into deaths that CAUSE them to fragment into 10 different people, each equipted with only about one tenth of the essence necessary to run a Body.
problem-solution
These people are the REAL “fragmented,” ones, that lack the componants with which to see the same thing You and I, see….when We look into the face of a child .
Go haunt a house Jim,
You are now considered obsoleet, non-Human, UNLOVEING light !
And dont let the door hit ya in the ass on your way out !
Warrior Priestess GrandMa Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Look here ,Jim Williams
I came back to give You the GOOD news!
Our Original Grand Father has MERCIFULLY ! established a river of amnisty for People like You who have been so heavely penitrated by “bad light.”
It is called “Grand Father’s Stream of Grace.”
Because, AND ONLY BECAUSE You are GREATLY LOVED, By Mother,
You are elegable for salvation.
I BEG You to jump into this stream with the rest of Us who have realized how EXTENSIVELY We have been damaged by UNLOVEING, “light.”….even to the point of becomeing, “UNLOVEING,”light,” Ourselfs.
Here is Your theropy
Stare deeply into the eyes of a Human Child….and, in Your mind appologize for ever haveing drifted so far from the shore of being a LOVEING/FEELING. Human Being.
Than cleans Yourself in Grand Father’s Waters of Amnisty, than, simply,
Go, And Sin No More,
FOREVER ! BELOVED !
Kopernicus Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Well, someone needs to help protect the English, Dutch, German, Irish, Scotch, Scandinavian heritage of this country…. There are probably more thoughtful ways of doing this though than eugenics….
Jim is very much correct in saying that ignoring genetic predispositions of race is madness and slowly erodes an intelligent demographic which founded America.
To say that genetics don’t matter regarding race but matter regarding individual family characteristics is profoundly hipocritical.
The 1924 Immigration Act was monumental in restricting the influx of immigrants from other cultures different than the ones who founded America…. This Senator’s speech was influential in its passing.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5080
Mar Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Here’s the issue. I believe God wants the best of humanity to evolve. And this involves everyone, of every race and social standing. And this evolution is spiritual not physical. The problem with eugenics is that a group of mostly white elites want to determine who lives and who dies. They claim their so called “inferior” races are criminal and stupid. Yet these elite are the most psychopathic and criminal group on the planet, and they are not exactly the smartest either, they just happen to be born into old money. To answer your question, no person or group should have the power to determine who reproduces, by nature Eugenics is just plain evil and against God. Any reproductive planning should be left to individual families to determine how many children they want. These elites should really be working towards making the world a better place for everyone, not just themselves. You need to remember it’s the policies of the elite that makes criminals of anyone they choose. It is now pretty much criminal to be an independent self sufficient person, does that make you unfit to reproduce? What if some bureaucract decides you can’t have kids because you didn’t score high enough on your SAT’s. Remember that welfare policies setup by the elite promote irresponsible parenting and reproduction. Sorry I can’t give you scientific evidence against eugenics because science is no excuse for morality. You will feel different when eugenics hits home, but for now you should take a trip to Africa and ask those people how they feel about eugenics.
Lochness Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Typical response….
“and they are not exactly the smartest either, they just happen to be born into old money.”
Money? He is talking about Kepler, Bach, Da Vinci, Luther, Einstein, Gauss, Riemann… namely… WESTERN CIVILIZATION SCIENTIFIC AND CREATIVE ACHIEVEMENTS!
Mar Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
The Arabs were responsible for a lot of today’s science, mathematics, astronomy, medicine. Do some research. Besides I am talking about the Elite families not necessarily being the smartests, they just think they are.
Mar Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
The Arabs were responsible for a lot of today knowledge of mathematics, astronomy and medicine. Do some research if you dare so. Besides I am referring to the Elite families believing themselves to be the most intelligent, not attacking Western accomplishments.
PrivateSi Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Future eugenics will mean the rich can buy their perfect(ed) children, despite any defects or weaknesses they inherited. Gataca is the most realistic, probably accurate (and inspiring) anti-eugenics film that I know of that deals with the (very) near future. Even this tame film in sci-fi terms shows a dis/utopia with problems. It can be viewed as an allegory of present, 2-tiered society also..Obviously the extremes of an (almost) cloned population, perhaps differing only in physical form are abhorent to most. I’m not a christian but I still don’t agree with imposed artificial mass alteration of the gene pool (of the entire planet, flora & fauna et al), esp. as we haven’t studied all life or all (semi closed) environments yet…
WileyCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Many of the “elites” are the product of generations in inbreeding. I have heard that in Europe, there is a “family tree” book listing all the elites and their lineage. Is it known as the “blue book”?
Jski Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Your thinking is frightening and obviously YOU are not using your head. No other human being has the right to decide who is born, who should live and who should die. That is God’s job. These people who think they are God are the most dangerous people on the planet, even more dangerous than these groups you are saying have higher tendencies for criminal behavior and might “outbreed” others. What makes you think you are any different than anyone else? How can you even think for one minute that you have more right to exist than anyone esle? Your are no better or worse than anyone else and your cockiness sickens me.
WEREFEAT Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am
To Jim Williams.
That’s a good post. I’ve tried to put this idea down several times here, and there is some support. The way I would do it is to pass a law that says that any children born after, say, five years, would require birth permits. The irrational petty people here can’t even read with enough comprehension to respond intelligently. They will drag up Jesus or profanity and miss every point there is. And it is genetic too. Conceptual reasoning is a genetic characteristic. They don’t realize that they themselves aren’t affected. Never mind that there would be appeals and other things that would ameliorate the exactness of the laws, just like any other social regulations.
The scary thing is that instead of using the media to educate the masses, the press preaches any form of reproduction and don’t worry about it. Even though there is no reason to panic today, the trend of the world’s population is up. And up. And up. Completely without any control of the quality of the population.
Alex is always saying that there is a plan to kill 80% of the population. Period. China supposedly only allows one child per family. The first idea is repugnant to me, even if I lived. We drag history behind us, and I wouldn’t know how to teach that in a history class. And the second only addresses quantity, not quality.
If you are a world leader, you must anticipate trouble and steer around it. But if you’re a world leader, and if you can’t reason with them, what do you do?
I dunno. Scary.
Curt Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I support selective breeding. This is a world of limited resources and every new person born is another slice from the selective pie. Whether or not you buy into global warming you have to agree that there is only so much land, so much water, and so much energy. Downs syndrome can be tested before birth. It would be better for society if the child was never born, and thus I believe the government should allow and even encourage aborting such genetic mistakes; it’s a lot cheaper than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that will never be more than a drag on society. It should never be mandatory, as the government has no right to tell you what to do, but there should be some level of encouragement to improve the human race rather than drag it down.
FreedomLover Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
You’ve been deselected as a fit human being – you’re missing a heart.
idi amin Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
nazi-ism is dead curt–died with hitler
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 am
AND you’re drinking too much KoolAid. The pink stuff.
PrivateSi Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I’d hate to live in a world of mad geniuses – personally!
commen sense Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Dear Jim?
I think you have a right to free speech, but there is no getting around the fact that if a women becomes pregnant, unless it is a case of rape, the mother had a choice to use birth control. I personally believe that a human being is created during conception, and the baby has no choice as the law states weather or not to have its head cracked open and thrown in a dumpster (excuse me “medical waste”) I also believe in adoption if the baby is not wanted and I know that I am not the judge of this world. Not everything is in black and white, but some things are and we know when those times are. Eugenics and this witch that started it is surely from a bunch of silver spoon rich families, poor people have more important things to think about like how to pay rent and eat, not plotting with other poor people to make the world a better place by enticing rich people not to conceive “ha yeah right”
BJG1985 Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Commen Sense,
“…if a women becomes pregnant, unless it is a case of rape, the mother had a choice to use birth control.”
True, but even if she made that choice, birth control can still fail, and does more frequently than you might think. I have seen it happen to many women. Just thought I would point that out, as it is unfair to claim only those who have been raped have the right to abort a fetus.
It is a sad thing, most definitely, but at times it must be done. If a woman ends up getting pregnant even while taking birth control, it is only fair that she has the right to decide what happens to her own body. Many women who end up keeping their babies because they do not believe in this right end up on welfare or with too many childeren, or disabled childeren because taking BC while pregnant can severely harm the fetus causing brain damage or mutations. Many of these women end up being financially challenged, divorced/single parents, proliferating the usage of our tax money on paying the welfare of others.
Just Me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
If the eugenicists had their way the likes of Einstein, a Jew with speech difficulties at a young age, and Stephen Hawking, a man ALS, would have never had a chance to contribute to our society.
Machine Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Why do you no abort yourself ! Jerk Off We as humans do have compassion good looking our Desslok! Jim Williams I guess you are not a Christian? It is up to God who lives and dies!
Sanger was an evil sickness and I am so glad she is dead! I wish everyone who shares her views were dead also! Planned parenthood is a criminal organization and right now since the idiot is president they thrive, but remember things change? The left slingshot the right!
A police state by people like Sanger is just like Hitler and people of a lower IQ are still people and Love covers all!
PrivateSi Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Why is it always the Christians who most loudly scream ‘BLOOD’!!
Just Me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
You sir are, an obvious pseudo-intellectual that has no comprehension of concepts such as genetics, natural selection and the likes. I have neither the time nor the desire to instruct you on the theories of, genetics, natural selection and evolution in this forum. Suffice it to say that, limiting a gene pool has NEVER benefited ANY species.
Please feel free to take a sabbatical in order to educate yourself in these areas upon which time you may return to engage in educated scientific debate rather than Proselytizing your mindless uneducated drivel.
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I agree that one of us is uneducated regarding “genetics, natural selection and the likes”, but it clearly isn’t me. Suffice it to say that anyone making a statement like “limiting a gene pool has NEVER benefited ANY species,” complete with CAPS, has no concept of scientific accuracy. You can’t possibly be in a position to make a statement like that. Worse, it is irrelevant, since we’re not talking about a reduction in genetic variability within the population, but a massive shift in the genetic distribution. Making this kind of error while trying to con people into thinking that you’re a biology expert is simply ridiculous.
Modern evolutionary theory informs us that evolution is not just a matter of genetic mutation, but of selection. Selection works not just on individuals, but through changes in population genetics…organisms with particular genetic traits tend to displace others within a common gene pool. In other words, it’s mainly about patterns of reproduction. My point is that if an observed pattern of human reproduction favors people who have genetic profiles predisposing them to lower levels of parental responsibility, intelligence, and social fitness, then unless this is actively changed by modifying operative selective constraints, the overall population will eventually exhibit this profile.
For example, in a colony of bacteria, there may initially be only one bacterium resistant to a certain antibiotic. But if we apply doses of the antibiotic in question as a form of selection, eventually, every bacterium in the dish will be resistant. On the level of basic biology, we’re not talking about anything more advanced than this: population genetics are changed by selection applied within populations.
Similarly, take the US population, and apply a form of selection which forces more intelligent and productive people to subsidize less intelligent and productive people, along with their “right” to reproduce (even at the expense of their own reproductive “rights”). Biologically speaking, it is only a matter of time before the US consists almost entirely of less intelligent and productive people, given scientific evidence for genetic components of intelligence and behavior.
Anyone who can’t understand this, or pretends not to understand it, is too stupid or dishonest or both to constructively partake in the advanced form of self-governance mapped out for us by the US Founding Fathers. In other words, you help prove my point. (Thanks.)
WileyCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
“but it clearly isn’t me” grammatically should be – “but it clearly isn’t I”
Me clearly is not the uneducated one – OR – I clearly am not the uneducated one.
Which sounds more genetically superior?
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
People who think that the limited use of colloquialisms by others with whom they disagree proves them “more genetically superior” have a problem: they think they’re so much “more better” than others that they make fools of themselves trying to prove it.
WileyCoyote Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Jim-
Please get a life, and while you’re at it, stop using double comparatives! I don’t get the impression anyone is impressed with your almighty expositions!
Jim Williams Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:28 am
You just don’t get it, do you, Wiley? English grammar, I mean.
Some colloquial usages are so widespread that it sounds funny to say the same thing the “right” way. Take “it isn’t me” or “it ain’t me”, for example. Say “it isn’t I” instead, and you sound like an actor out of an old British movie or an uptight schoolmarm with a 2×4 up her backside.
If you want to sound like that, good for you. But don’t use phrases like “more genetically superior” to boot, or people will think you’re a British schoolmarm with a learning disability of her own. (If you know what a double comparative is, then you know that inserting a modifier in the middle of it doesn’t help.)
Remember, Wiley: when you’re on a highway and roadrunner goes “beep beep”, better watch out or you might end up in a heap. Or as another might say while pointing in your direction, “That coyote is really a crazy clown!”
Peace, dawg.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
once again jim you have trumped yourself
if natural selection determines things then you must answer this question:
why were the first noteworthy and great civilizations all from black and brown people? from ethiopia (where ancient egypt began) to the hindu-kush and chinese civilizations. nothing from the people you claim are the best until your so-called ‘middle ages’ after europeans were educated by the arabs and other africans.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
if according to your apparent “rationale” whites are superior shouldnt they have learned to be civilized before anyone else–rather than being sequentially speaking the LAST to become civilized.
dont say ‘the greeks” jim , since by their own admission they learned from the dark people in egypt how to become civilized and even named some of the ‘gods” after those brownskinned teachers
khan is an idiot Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Dumbass. I can tell what color you are by your post.
Jack Barrier Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Jim, thank you for attempting to educate us on the postive side of eugenics. While I don’t agree with 100% of what you’re saying, I will say that the laws of simple math prove a society over-saturated with ignorance will lead to some big problems down the road.
What I find extremely disheartening is how many people here have taken your logical discussion and turned it into yet another outlet for their religious beliefs. I’m a firm believer in personal religion and not wearing your religious convictions on your sleave. Religious arguments bring nothing to a rational discussion and furthermore, only serve as evidence to support your initial claim. My father once said people will attempt to use logic in order to convince another, if logic fails, they will try volume -like typing in caps- if volume fails, they will resort to religion and if that fails, violence. I’ve seen/read about this method being applied countless times throughout history, oftentimes producing disasterous results. There also seem to be some irrational racism comments so perhaps my fathers equation should be modified to include if religious arguments fail, try character assasination.
Personal experience is key to understanding your point in my opinion and I think I can add a bit to the argument. I worked for a call center for almost 4 years and while I have been promoted out of my initial duties, I will never forget what that job did to change my perception concerning the average citizens ability to process even basic information. Out of the 80+ calls I took per day during the course of a 5 day week, 75% couldn’t follow basic instructions. Simple instructions like telling someone to look at the top right of the site couldn’t be followed, nor could the majority of them speak without saying ummmm after every 3rd word. The job forever changed my view of society and I can say with certainty that no matter what the media may lead us to believe, many of our fellow citizens are unable to comprehend basic point and click instructions let alone what you are attempting to convey.
Personally I believe that until mankind is able to identify/modify genetic structure in a way that promotes widespread intelligence, even reducing the population to a “sustainable” level won’t solve any problems other than the most basic required to continue life on earth. What kind of existence those under a eugenics based society would enjoy is debatable. Also, the question of whether or not a highly educated society is even desirable cannot begin until our numbers are much lower.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
the answer for ignorance is education not extermination
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 am
“Modern Evolutionary Theory.” What a tool you are.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
jim you’re hilarious
your thinly veiled racial hatred is interesting though…why?
because by your own “scientific understanding” you’d have to exterminate your own kind (european whites) since they are genetically inferior to black and brown people
yes jim the darker genes are dominant
Kopernicus Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Ghenghis Khan… you’re obviously an Asian/African supremiscist yourself; get civilized on your posts please! Didn’t you get any manners taught to you at the dinner table?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
since i havent called for any eugenics policy effecting any population i have no idea why you would call me a racist other than the fact that you cannot stand the ideas of white racism being exposed as a lie
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
you post this>>> Jim is very much correct in saying that ignoring genetic predispositions of race is madness and slowly erodes an intelligent demographic which founded America.
To say that genetics don’t matter regarding race but matter regarding individual family characteristics is profoundly hipocritical.
The 1924 Immigration Act was monumental in restricting the influx of immigrants from other cultures different than the ones who founded America…. This Senator’s speech was influential in its passing.
AND THEN YOU ASK ME TO GET CIVILIZED?? after posting hitlerian hatred you ask me to get civilized…hahahahahaha
commen sense Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Dear jengjiz
It sounds like you are the thinly veiled racist. The only things the darker genes dominate are hair and skin color and not always in bi-racial humans. Go back and read some more National Geographic and keep letting the rich divide us because they tell you that you are from “dominant genes”,the only color they care about is GREEN! Ask yourself this, what color is the human spirit?
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
sorry i hurt your feelings but i was responding to what someone else said in kind–thats my right
and in this matter genetics the darker genes are in fact dominant –that is not racism its genetics
that you are indoctrinated with typical white racism is evident or would not have taken what i said at all since it was in response to what someone else said
common sense Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Jengiz,
YOUR quote was” ( European whites) are gentically inferior to brown and black genes! That makes you a racist and you are hopelessly brainwashed about the secret white man racist conspiracy….whooo booooo we must not get labeld racist or its over for us damn it! M.T.V has trained you well.
khan is an idiot Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Really pushing “white guilt” for everyone to get, aren’t you? Everyone knows the truth. Your kind hasn’t evolved much.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
this issue was not the human spirit–i responded to what jim said –he didnt address any spiritual reality that i saw
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
i was actually giving examples of how someone can present occurences and facts in any way they like and then make a charge based on PARTIAL evidence
if you read what i posted perhaps you wil begin to under this
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
jim
the problems you metioned are primarily social problems and not genetic—thats why if you go to more traditional societies where people have not been subject to “modernisation” you dont find the same problems with illegitimacy, crime drugs etc. in fact if you go to places in africa and asia (have you travelled?) you will find that the people are amazed at the weakness of “genetically superior” whites in the u.s. and how criminal and dirty they are in their lifestyles.
adultery is taken as normal for instance as is alcoholism and drug use in the u.s. whether the drug is prescription or illegal
Just Me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Awww….come on JT…I can understand perhaps the “jackass” comment getting deleted but pseudo-intellectual!? lol
JTCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Well, dang it, this time of day with the load and all, some posts on some threads are taking a long time to post…the servers and software are smokin’… All of your posts are still there, give it some time…
There is real flesh and blood under this iron glove… I hope to be able to take it off sometime soon… ;^)
JTCoyoté
Just Me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
lol yeah, I saw that. Sorry mate. Thank you for all you do. Keep the Faith.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
jim
lesbianism and sodomites marrying one another is now normal to whites in the u.k. and u.s.— while in africa and asia this is seen as absolutely unbelievable that you all actually have debates about whether sodomites should be allowed to marry
lol
this seems to show your genetic inferiority jim–an inherent tendency toward legitimising evil degenerate behavior which is rampant in white western societies
all of your corporate heads are thieves who simply never go to jail or pay their way out; does this make them less criminal than the whites who actually are in prisons joining ‘aryan nations’ and kkk?? no it doesnt jim–just means they havent been caught because they have money–is this a genetic tendency toward crime? by your standards it must be called that
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
so jim
with all of this in mind should we be mulling whether to cull the white western population perhaps in order to end all of the prescription drug abuse, illegal drugs being brought into the u.s. by the c-130s at the behest of c.i.a. and u.s. govt, and deviant sexual perversions—this surely shows a genetic deficincy jim doesnt it?
and lets not forget the ‘white” genetic tendency for fighting world wars—that is certainly something the world can do without—that population needs to be culled to prevent ww3
roaddog Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
jim—your have bought into the agenda 21 sustainable development lie. If you really believe what you say, you would gladly commit suicide for the benefit of the planet. So with that said, we’re waiting, it’s ok, we got time, go ahead……..
jman Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Eugenice is a psuedoscience, and its insulting to compare humans to a bacteria.. genes do not dictate our behavior, but merely predispose us to it if at all. What if some unelected beurocrat selected you as being bad? This arguement opens up pandoras box to hell… Give people nutrition and not poison, and maybe then we can evolve naturally, and not by the hands of some control freak with an alterior motive. We are NOT parasites. The power/control freaks are the parasites. If technology wasn’t being withheld from us, the earth would not be so poisoned and we could all evolve together. By the way, you would surely be the victim of the mindset you are espousing. You sound smart, so you are a threat to them. Do you eat GMO foods, do you breath chem trailed air, do you use chinese radiation filled cheese shredder, let your pets eat food with chinese additives, do you drink fluoridated water, are you on pharmiceuticals, drink out of bpa plastic, consume high fructose corn syrup laced with mercury, drink diet soda, etc? Then you are under eugenics attack right now! The power elite have a plan human evolution, and its not pretty. Stop falling for their scams, I know a sucker is born every minute, but don’tt let yourself be one of them…..
Robert Macias Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Please see http://www.ppnf.org
Weston A. Price, DDS did some great work. Read his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, read it cover to cover. You will find answers to your questions. Never heard of Price, ask why? This answer may answer your first question. All of God’s Blessings to you. Jesus Christ’s light reveals the Truth!
June 9th, 2009 at 10:54 am
jesus christ was the message to the masses,he died to save us from our sins. he had faith in us,we should have faith in him. if prophesy is written in stone than,why die for us? i think we have a chance to change the world to goodness again,we must spread truth of such evil people like miz sanger.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:57 am
If that website is the truth then Margaret Sanger is not a racist.
Warrior Priestess GrandMa Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Steven,
The problem of Human sacrifice,
These people who are killed, and, consumed/inslaved by Margaret’s cohort, LUCIFER,
runs alot deeper than just racism.
WEREFEAT Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Nope!
An intelligent Eugenics plan isn’t “racist” although “racism” is a term that has no real meaning. The problem is that on one hand, there is a program to feed everyone in the world, and cure all diseases. And that’s a good thing.
But on the other hand, Ma Nature has always tried to weed out the unfit. It’s the LAW that has gotten us this far. But every day, we transgress by implementing the “feed everyone” plan.
One thought that has been mentioned is that Hitler tried this and it failed. If we put in an intelligent Eugenics plan, it would take at least a hundred years for the effects to be seen.
Warrior Priestess GrandMa Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Werefeat !
“ma nature.”
Yeah, TYPICAL !!!
BLAME IT ALL ON THE MOTHER !!!
“mother nature.”
DONT YOU SEE THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM OF OUR MOTHER’S LIGHT BEING DISCREDITED IN THESE WAYS ???
IT WAS LUCIFER WHO FIRST BLAMED OUR MOTHER’S GOLDEN, LIGHT WITH SUBLIMINAL BUZZ PHRASES LIKE “mother nature.”
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM , ABSOLUTLY POSITIVE !!!!!! THAT IT WAS NEVER !!! NEVER !!!!! NEVER !!!! OUR ….FORGOTTON !!!! AND, DISCREDITED !!!! “MOTHER’S !!!! PLAN!!!!! TO EVER !!! EVER !!!!! EVER !!!! ALLOW !!!! ANYTHING !!!!! TO DIE !!!!!
TRY TALKING TO OUR FORGOTTON AND CUT OUT OF THE PICTURE, MOTHER…..JUST ONCE….LIKE YOU DO TO GOD…..JUST TO SEE WHAT ALL COMES UP….AND, AFTER THE TEARS….PLEASE !!!! APPOLOGIZE TO HER FOR EVER HAVEING BOUGHT INTO THE DEVIL’S SUBLIMINAL SLIGHTS AGAINST HER
PrivateSi Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Most famine is caused by war. Without the warmongers we’d easily be able to ‘feed the starving’ in times of local drought / crop failure..Meritocratic, non-racist eugenics is still artificial and prejudiced – and of course, totalitarian and fascist..I’m not against altering dna and artifcially inseminating to remove a serious genetic disease/defect but I’d stop there. Without genetic screening / alteration eugenics would be doom to fail as diversity would decrease leading to an increased chance of inbred mutations over time (as seen in pre-mass-transport villages / closed societies)…
June 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
The one thing missing from this article is the fact that Hillary Clinton thinks Sanger was greater than Thomas Jefferson. She pratically worshiped Sanger before Congress.
And that 1/2 black Barak Hussein Obama must believe it also.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
she’s a eugenist not a racist(though i think she is),and she lies continuiously during mike wallaces interview. mike really is a great blood hound reporter of his time.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am
I WISH SOMEONE WITH AIDS WOULD PEE IN THEIR PUNCH
hurr Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am
AIDS doesn’t work that way, bro.
Interesting article. Thanks for writing it, Amy!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Infowars.com are merchants of Dysgenics.
JTCoyote Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Marc B.
Your assertion here is totally untrue. Dysgenics, is precisely the thing that the globalists, or eugenicists, and the New World Order, are obsessed with. A condition that exists primarily in their own view which is one reason for their eugenics push. Their approach is one of assuming that their intellectual capacity is somehow superior to the natural selection processes that are evident in the natural world. In order to breed a superior being, they have created by manipulation the idea of dysgenics, in order to substantiate their manipulation of genes toward a superior being, they seek to weed out what they see as inferior…
Given the magnitude of the natural world, the very genes that they are identifying and eliminating as inferior, may in fact be the factors necessary at some time in the future, that will right genetically something that has gone wrong. If anything, InfoWars is promoting letting of nature take its course, which for humans can best be found within of a society based upon right-use-ness, and liberty.
JTCoyoté
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
yea but how come the final comment i had for jim wont show itself still???
Just Me Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Preach it brother! Preach it! Amen!
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I’m reassured to learn that this site is in favor of “letting of nature take its course, which for humans can best be found within of a society based upon right-use-ness, and liberty.” Nothing to argue with there.
I would, however, argue that there are indeed certain dysgenic influences (selective pressures) active in the world today, and thus that the scientific elite are not entirely mistaken regarding the possible benefits of an open, intelligent eugenics or “anti-dysgenics” program administered under responsible public supervision.
I would also argue that not all of the intellectual elite regard their own intelligence as “superior to the natural selection processes that are evident in the natural world”. In fact, their main concern is that these processes have been politically and/or technologically suspended and no longer affect human reproduction and survival.
Additionally, I would point out that not all “elite” Americans are trying to “eliminate (certain genes) as inferior”. They understand the importance of genetic variability and do not support the elimination of any particular branch of the human family. They merely want to prevent large-scale genetic and/or demographic shifts in the population that would interfere with the kind of self-governance envisioned, and successfully practiced, by the Founding Fathers of the United States of America.
It’s no accident that Ron Paul is not a supporter of the continued subsidization of protected groups and their “right to reproduce”. They have their reproductive prerogatives, alright, but they do not have the right to demand or receive subsidization from others who could better spend their own resources to have and support their own children. That’s something on which I think the vast majority of us would still agree, even after decades of NWO anti-American indoctrination by the corporate media and liberalized school system.
jenghiz khan Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
jim
i agree with you no one has the right to demand to be ’subsidized’, etc—the problem is in the apparent hypocrisy of those who actually built a nation using forced slave labour (subsidization) now screaming againt subsidizing others!!!!!
those poor people could certain have better spent their energies supporting their own families and their own culture rather building someone elses
yae Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Jim,
Perhaps you can explain what happens when the Elite (who preach and praise eugenics) purposefully DUMB down the population. For example, how under the “no child left behind” system gives 65cents to every $1 to handicapped children/special ed kids…….while less that 4cents goes to advanced-gifted children (this is from the mouth of my son’s advanced resources teacher)?
How can normal evolution and higher education even hope to take any natural turn for the better when such insane obstacles are put in front of advanced-gifted children of the regular & poor classes.
Any entertainment to the notion of eugenics only encourages this type of abuse and doesn’t allow the Universe (whatever your higher power is) to shine brightly where it’s MEANT TO.
It leaves brilliance to only shine where HUMANS decide it will. I think the Universe (God etc) has done an amazing job of deciding evolutionary standards and man’s interference in that process is ignorant, narcissistic, and suicidal.
yae Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Actually, come to think of it Jim. I found your argument ignorant, narcissistic and simple-minded. You think you’re very intelligent no doubt. Perhaps you think you are more intelligent than the grand design of the Universe.
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I sympathize, and I agree with you regarding the injustice of a school system that spends almost nothing on poor gifted children while spending almost everything on the learning-disabled. This is a very inefficient use of resources…if the truth be told, one that we have never been able to afford. In the large, it has certainly helped to “dumb down” the US population, and the only real winners are those who want to steal the property and the lives of US citizens without worrying about their informed consent.
However, this irrational maldistribution of educational resources is related to the fact that there are now far more slow-learning or non-learning children in the US than there used to be. In all probability, this is due not only to various environmental problems, including chemical and biological pollution, but to the systematic redirection of employment, immigration, and educational opportunity away from the traditional US majority and its close genetic relatives to other groups that have never been noted for high scholastic performance.
But please try to remember what I said: “The fact that eugenics was once abused, or that it is still cynically abused by an evil elite under whatever name(s) they may choose, does not mean that all forms of eugenics are evil.” Similarly, the fact that some people abuse firearms, e.g. abusive law enforcement personnel, does not mean that firearms are evil in themselves. Firearms are as firearms do, and they only “do” what people want or need them to do…for example, give honest citizens a chance to protect themselves from crime, or from future police-state brutality run wild.
Much the same can be said of eugenics. I sincerely wish that it were unnecessary. But in the hands of responsible citizens, it may be the only way that the United States can make even a partial recovery from the damage thus far done to it by those whom you seem to deplore.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Sanger is in hell! We should have a holiday on the day she died!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
www,americannewsnetwork.info
read about sanger and Hillary the shithead!
June 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
To Jim & the pro ‘ethical’, meritocratic eugenicists – The line between genius & madness is known to be very fine…
Badgerman3 Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
..There’s a fine line between retardation and madness…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
She is such a paradox. She does something good like promoting women’s rights but underneath it she has this vile nasty agenda. But that’s how the globalist work Promote something that sounds good and at the same time commit some devilish deeds
Hmmm Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
well said automatic, well said.
Mark Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Paradox? She hated people, especially people of color. She is responsible more than any other for the millions of children murdered in the wombs. To gloss a record like that over with words such as “women’s rights” shows you to be a murdering, racist, moron yourself.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I have also been looking in to this psycho path. It’s ironic how they name black schools after her. She wanted to exterminate the black population.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQcuDImMmo
June 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
i meant to say in the last line, what use are we to them really? we all have value in God’s eyes, and we should all have the freedom to simply live out our lives in peace and love and to be left alone. my question was meant to suggest, that we have no meaning to them.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Isn’t it ironic that the the more educated portion of society today are the ones who are having less children. Seems her plan may have backfired
Roy Hobbs Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Good point.
WEREFEAT Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
It is a good point. But that’s the plan of the bad guys taking effect.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Want to see what a moronic society might look like and get a few laughs? Check out this movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
June 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Eugenics r good for a humanity
if people r sick and have bad genetics they should not be breeding , and people who can not afford children should not be breeding
they do not want to take responsibility for themselves so governments must take charge .
there is no conspiracy , u just have a small brain, your moma did not breastfed you
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:30 am
You people make me sick. You can take two perfectly terrible people, or goats for that matter, and breed them and they’ll turn out a really great kid or kid. Farmers know this, but you people are too removed from your roots to know ANYTHING about breeding. You should be breeding right now as a matter of fact. Go to bed!
June 9th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Margaret Sanger was a horrible, racist bitch. The fact that blacks vote for Hillary despite her idolizing this racist bitch is amazing to me. Mike Wallace should have shot her square in the face when he interviewed her.
Christian Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
By the way in her interview with Wallacw she calls her self a great humanitarian. I didnt know calling for sterilization for the poor & minorities was humanitarian in nature. Hopefully this crackpot’s bloodline has ended.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
..There’s a fine line between retardation and madness…
June 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I got a 31 on the ACT despite having an undiagnosed form of epilepsy at the time. A 31 despite having uncaught partial seizures caused by a brain disorder. Should I be sterilized Margaret?
June 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
My apologies for my grammatical and spelling errors….please do not have me sterilized
June 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Sanger quote:
“In my experience as a trained nurse while attending persons afflicted with various and often revolting diseases, no matter what their ailments, I have never found any one so repulsive as the chronic masturbator. It would be difficult not to fill page upon page of heartrending confessions made by young girls, whose lives were blighted by this pernicious habit, always begun so innocently, for even after they have ceased the habit, they find themselves incapable of any relief in the natural act. [...] Perhaps the greatest physical danger to the chronic masturbator is the inability to perform the sexual act naturally.”
IRC_sum Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Whoa. That has surely got to be one of the most telling and revealing quotes that I have ever read. It speaks volumes to Sanger’s mindset. So sterilization was punishment then. It was the deliberate infliction of execrable cruelty.
Dave Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Good point. She was also one of 11 children and watched her mom die of cervical cancer. While 11 kids may not have been out of the ordinary at that time I am guessing that watching someone dying of cancer (before there was much they could do about it) had a profound impact on her. On the one hand you can see that maybe on some level she was trying to keep women from becoming baby factories and then dying young as a result, but then you look at her racism and lack of compassion for those she saw as “lesser” and it makes for an odd mix to say the least. That picture of her above is eery. Her eyes are just dead. No soul.
BobLeeSwagger Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
and the bitch probably had her own collection of antique dildos
June 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Why is it whenever you look at the eyes of these “elites”, even from old photographs, its like looking into the cess pit of hell? The only Eugenics that really are, or were needed, are the eugenics that get rid of these types of people. Are societies awould be SOOOO much better off without the likes of the Margret Sangers, and other baby killing monsters. They think there’s too many people? Well good, like Alex says- off your damned selves first and we’ll go forward from there- and laugh at their dumb asses.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I say that all of the people calling for depopulation and sterilization should lead by example and be the first to go. anyone agree with me on this?
BobLeeSwagger Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
See my above post
June 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Obama’s new healthcare plan is all Hitler inspired ….. it is coming….congress will pass it….like congress passed GATT Nafta and Cafta……get rid of middle class jobs so middle class cars can’t be sold……………it worked…….now the healthcare plan is to get rid of undesirables
June 9th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
June 9th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9qiuMU8N40
June 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
well documented research about the world trade orginization and codex. And the nazis. It’s all interconnected. It’s all Satanic. The Devil is real. GOD IS HOLY. REPENT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9qiuMU8N40
June 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
This Margaret Sanger piece of trash is just a sick twisted evil and f…ed up little B.TCH. I hope she is burning in hell, where she belongs.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Aside from that I think sterilization (as a choice) is a great option. I had one child, I knew my limit and I stopped there. It was a choice of responcible parenting and knowing how many children I could afford. That is not eugenics. That is COMMON SENSE. There isn’t a gene for that.
Eugenics means having so-called “experts” with PHDs who often suffer various neurosis’, delusions of grandeur, socialpathic tendancies, manipulative personality disorders (90% of government officials) & a host of other untreated mental problems….decide the fate of humanity. A dangerous place to be for everyone. Healthy mentally stable people don’t even entertain the notion. Jim, have you tried therapy?
Jim Williams Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
There may not be a single gene for common sense, but common sense (practical intelligence) is very likely to correlate with one or more genetic complexes present in those who exhibit it. (Congratulations.)
One need not be an expert or a PhD to understand the available statistics on crime and education. They tell a very clear story: the US has become less educable and less concerned with ethical behavior. Both educability (IQ) and behavior are known, beyond any shadow of doubt, to have strong genetic components. They are not absolutely determined by genes, but genes push very hard on them.
Many of those who gravitate to positions of power are indeed psychopathic and suffer from other personality disorders. But while these traits are dangerous in conjunction with high intelligence, they are largely independent of it. Alas, the same does not apply to rational self-governance.
WEREFEAT Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:09 am
That 80-20 rule is looking better and better.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
The infowars comment sections pretty much demand a eugenic response.
They look like us (sort of), the talk like us (sort of), but they ain’t human.
I love you all, why don’t you love us all?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
For the sake of choice in which the Word of God is nullified for the traditions of men demands judgement . These devour my brothers and sisters , then they wipe their lips and say I’ve done no wrong . I will pray to God about this matter .
June 9th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I marked Sanger as my own . She says what I say . Thinks how I think . Does what I do . Looks how I look .
BEAST Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
King Herod worshiped my image when he slaughtered the innocents in Bethlehem ………..
June 9th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
When he speaketh a lie , he speaketh of his own : for he is a liar , and the father of it .
Soft Word Reply:
June 9th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
By your words you’ll be set free , or by your words you’ll be condemed ……. Amen
June 9th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
does anyone know about the jesuits involvement and vatican and eugenics?
June 10th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Well I have read most of the above comments …You people never fail to amuse me with your soft pansy thinking…the fact is we don’t need to worry about any of this because the great and terrible day of the Lord is coming and he will wipe out nearly everybody…… like he did in the big flood and you can all beat up on him for being a murderer then and ask him about why he chose one line to continue and wiped out everyone else???? Humans can’t control themselves the aliens eg God will come and do it for us….You’re all just breeding program anyway…. didn’t you know and now there is lots of treasure on this planet…YOU and you mostly all be eaten!!!!
What Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Yes that’s right,
Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Dinner is about to served!!!!
Wartooth Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 am
I hate to name call (again) but you are a Presumptuous Ass! Has God sent you his schedule? Or wasn’t he the one that said “You know not the day or the hour”? Huh?
Molly Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Yep he did…. his schedule says July 10th for the pick up of the wanted to be taken underground so the Gentiles can tread on them underfoot ….
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months……….three and a half years and again this time of three and a half years in this below…..
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
See three and a half years again…. do the maths and this date of July 10th 2009 is exactly three and a half years prior to the date of 21 Dec 2012 so you see he did send his schedule… he gave it to the Mayan’s and the Chinese who both say the end of time is this date… so get ready to be eaten….
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and BEHOLD A WHITE CLOUD, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and BLOOD came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Note the beginning of the above says BEHOLD A WHITE CLOUD and this relates to
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds;
see CHEMTRIALS so you see he is announcing his arrival…Time to bend over and kiss your arse!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Quite frankly nations like Africa and China are seen by the parasites as lowly nations easily brought into conflict. As those nations crumble within months.
I think they see America as the same easy target. But Americans are a mix of ALL races…… E Pluribus UNUM. Out of many………the ONE.
It has take 85 LONG years for the parasites…..the house sparrows to dominate this country. That says a lot about our people, and our peoples resilence.
Americans aren’t genetically inferior. That wasnt the design. Its impossible. We are of all races.
Put that into your genetic eugenics hat…….and quite frankly, choke on it.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 am
http://911essentials.com thinks Margaret Sanger’s name should be dropped from all schools and government buildings that use it.
911essentials is a primer portal introduction to the New World Order Corporate Banking Police State, its plans for one world government and their worship of the fake science Eugenics.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
I’ve tried to tell my other black peoples that Abortion is population Control. They don’t even understand. I was in ATL the other day and they have signs up now that say. ” Call here for other choices for free Abortion, basically come here you don’t need the money will sign you up for another test or treatment for free.” The idiots at the Mainstream media won’t cover these stories that’s why they want shut down the 3rd party news sites
June 10th, 2009 at 8:03 am
It only makes sense to me. Why SHOULD poor people have children? They can’t afford to take care of them, so makes sense!
June 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
It won’t allow me to Email this article. IT keeps saying enter valid email Address. WTF??
June 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I hope she started practicing what she preached by having herself sterilized.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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