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Media Declares “Victory” For Gun Rights As Second Amendment Is Systematically Destroyed
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Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Comments made by justices in an ongoing landmark case, which seeks to address the very meaning of the second amendment, have been heralded as a "victory" for the individual right to bear arms, but in reality the second amendment is being completely eroded altogether.
Individual Right to Bear Arms Wins Favor in Court Argument, the headline from the New York Law Journal, was typical of the media output yesterday after most of the nine Supreme Court justices hinted that the right to bear arms is a "general right."
However, the case is likely to conclude with the introduction of several new regulations on hand gun ownership at the very least, and, if the government gets its way, a total ban on handguns.
The outcome will set the precedent for gun laws nationwide.
The NY Law Journal writes:
Justice Kennedy’s comments appeared to spell trouble for efforts by the District of Columbia to revive its strict handgun ban, although lawyers for both the Bush administration and gun-rights advocates acknowledged that some lesser regulation of the right would be acceptable.
Counting Justice Kennedy, it appeared that five or more justices were ready to recognize some form of an individual right to keep and bear arms that is only loosely tethered, if at all, to the functioning of militias. What kind of regulation of that individual right will be allowed by those justices is uncertain.
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When the arguments were over, gun-control advocates seemed less pessimistic than before the session began, though they did not predict victory.
Joshua Horwitz, director of the Education Fund to Stop Gun Violence, who filed a brief in the case and watched the arguments, conceded he cannot count five votes for a strictly militia-rights view of the Second Amendment that would allow for almost unlimited regulation of firearms. But he could conceive of five justices adopting an individual-rights view that will mean "a lot of regulations will be OK. The outcome is not necessarily poor for us."
The case, DC v. Heller, stems from proceedings filed by lawyers for security guard Mr Dick Anthony Heller, which state that the District’s categorical restrictions are so broad that they cannot comply with the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to bear arms.
An amicus curiae brief filed by U.S Solicitor General Paul D. Clement, on behalf of the Bush administration and the government, says that federal gun control measures should not be limited and proposes that a court may determine that a full scale ban on almost all self-defense firearms may be upheld as constitutional if it constitutes a “reasonable” restriction of constitutional rights.
Lawyer Alan Gura, opposing the law and representing Mr Heller said "We have here a ban on all guns for all people in all homes at all times in the nation’s capital."
Read the transcript of yesterday’s argument.
Read briefs in D.C. v. Heller.
Advocates of the ban and the representatives of the District of Columbia have attempted to argue that the history and context of the second amendment applies to the rights of militias and not to individuals.
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However, there are thousands of quotes from the founding fathers that pour water on this weak argument. The founders said over and over that when a government seeks to take away individual weapons it constitutes tyranny and that government must be removed.
Here are a few choice quotes:
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
— Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
—Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
—Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
—James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
—John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)
Furthermore, even if you argue that the second amendment applies to militias, the very definition of the militia, according to the founders and their contemporaries, is THE PEOPLE:
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
—Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
Last month a majority of the Senate and more than half of the members of the House issued a brief in which they urged the Supreme Court to uphold it’s previous ruling that the District’s handgun ban violates the second amendment.
The brief asked the Supreme Court to uphold the lower courts decision and allow the precedent of applying a stricter standard of review for gun control cases to stand.
In a separate letter, other representatives, including Congressman Ron Paul, called for the Clement/Bush administration brief to be withdrawn as it sets a precedent for further erosion of individuals’ Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.
Citing Constitutional concerns the letter stated:
“If the Supreme Court finds that the D.C. gun ban is a “reasonable” limitation of Second Amendment rights, the Court could create a dangerous precedent for the nation in the future. Such a decision could open the door to further regulation on American citizens’ Second Amendment rights on a large scale.”
Essentially the government is saying "You have the right to bear arms, unless we say so."
Where there is individual ownership of weapons there is liberty, where there is not there is tyranny because powerful organizations and governments will have a monopoly on it. The latest developments in this case are not a "victory" for the second amendment, on the contrary, they constitute its very undoing.
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March 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
They wouldn’t be so stupid as to out-right destroy the 2nd amendment in one swoop. I’m sure they plan to gradually diminish it. This seems to be working well for this government. It’s sad the people are not paying closer attention.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
field of battle? Believe me when I say that I feel as you do watchdog, but have you seen the technology that the military has on the military channel these days. We have no air support, the militias of the 1990’s have disbanded in fear of the patriot act and we can’t even come close to the technology that our military weilds today. Once upon a time I felt as you did but trust me when I tell you that we’re screwed. You have to understand watchdog that the templars love to operate through creating caos and bringing order via the iron fist. through caos, order. If they do come door to door, I guarentee you that they will meet light resistance at best. Americans today are more worried about monday night football, and night time soap operas then the stuff that really matters.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
from my cold dead hands
March 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
In Jefferson’s wittings and in the Federalists papers it is clearly spelled out that the 2nd amendment guarantees the individual citizen the right to possess firearms. The Social Marxists seek to destroy this. We will meet them with guns and do our best to stop them. We can count on several thousand members of our military to join us.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Let the supreme court do what the will. The day gun seizures come to Missouri, there will be a rifle behind every cedar tree.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Just because we have no chance at a mass forceful confrontation does not mean we have no chance at a mass peaceful confrontation. Although The Beast has control over our law, it has no control over our freedom. Freedom is on the individual level. Live your own life the best you can.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Folks..people in this country don’t have the foggiest what the hell the Bill Of Rights is and sure don’t have any idea what the Constitution is.Most of them..if they are making a paycheck..then he’s a good president…don’t make a damn what he is doing…gets frustrating trying to wake people up outta their sleep…let’s face it nobody gives a damn and a few of us that are trying to speak out on what is happening get called kooks. But the bed they are laying in is goona get spikes and very uncomfortable before it is over with. And i don’t want it to get to the point of having to say” see i told you” because it will be to late for us too..
March 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
dog, we might be on the same page. Being a Man does not necessarily necessitate physical violence. Only in defense of justice should physical violence be used. Man-made law however, does not necessarily emulate justice.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Me thinks they have not the gaggle of men you think they have. A blanket door to door confiscation will never fly, nor will it be tried. (if they know what’s good for them) Instead, you will be forced to decide to turn in your guns to feed your family, or keep them to defend your starving family when they collapse the dollar completely. It will not be government that takes your guns. Your inability to feed your wife and kids will accomplish that just fine.
Therefore we should jump out of this pot and threaten the pitch and the goose feathers, lest we be boiled alive.
Draw your line and do not let them cross it.
We will not fight all at once, and they cannot maintain military order over this entire country if we resist from the start. Then when they are tired and at their weakest, they will lash out and remove all pretense of their purpose. We will then have all the resistance we need to finish them off for eternity.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Watchdog…Very Well Said…..We Must Defend the Freedom That so Many Men have Died For in the past 100 years of War. fake War. we have there souls to help us in the fight and all the men that stand and belive in the republic.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Hey TheSlayer, you are partially right, they have air support and they have chain guns, etc.
But there is an awful lot you can do with C-4 and even dynamite, like claymore mines and shaped charges.
Improvised claymores are especially effective against organized groups of Gov’t troups trying to unsurp liberty.
Start collecting used tungsten carbide chunks to make armor tank piercing claymores and used ball bearings to take out groups of soldiers and cops. Tanks are also useless against massive attacks with Moltov cocktails bottles as the Chechnyans proved in Gozni when they barbequed a whole group of tanks entering their city.
Boobytraps also took out a lot of invading Russian soldiers. These guys are masters at guerrilla warfare.
These devices can be strategically placed at “decoy houses” were improvided “disturbances will be planned by us freedom fighters. When all the Gov’t troup s arrive in masse, the devices are detonated and you have an instant carnage in the direction they are pointed.
Can you guess what Iraq is REALLY all about ? Iraq is urban warefare training to prepare our US troups to fight against the American people when the revolution does finally occur. All those ten’s of thousands of troops are learning what to expect from urban guerrillas (like you and me), how to torture most effectively, how to rape, how to kick down doors, how to murder and pillage.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
A MILLION ARMED FREEMEN POSSESSED OF THE MEANS OF WAR CAN NEVER BE CONQUERED….(Andrew Jackson)
March 19th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
THE BEAUTY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THAT IT WILL NOT BE NEEDED UNTIL THEY TRY TO TAKE It…..(Thomas Jefferson)
March 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Well said there Watchdog. Slayer, you’ve chosen the wrong handle, maybe it should have been Layer or Baa Baa, etc.
We have no choice if they come for us & our guns unless you enjoy the gulag lifestyle. If you need some low-tech countermeasures, google Mark Koernke, he has some good advice.
When I was in Vietnam in a training class, they told us about an incident where one man with one garand rifle captured an entire battalion of German Panzer tanks. When one of them would stick his head out of a hatch, he would take it off & he picked at them until they surrendered to one man with one rifle!!! I believe that man was Audey Murphy. When you are mobile and in the woods, their high tech stuff ain’t worth much. So quit the whimpering sheep talk!!!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
never forget the political impact of a good old fashioned gutting and carving, fellerz
March 19th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
“some lesser regulation of the right would be acceptable.”
BULLs---, just like everything else out of this administration!!!
What part of “will not be infringed” do they not freaking get….
March 19th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
If you plan on making a stand when the thugs come door to door to take your guns, remember that they train all day and night for taking a house. It’d be better if you got together with a “neghborhood watch,” if you will, that could ambush the bad guys as they prepare to enter a house.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Go ahead and try and take my gun(s)….. see what happens
March 19th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
If the treasonous occupational government of this country thinks that I’m going to register my firearms they’ve lost their minds. If they think they are going to take my firearms, I will consider that a declaration of war against the citizens, the constitution of the united states of America!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Damn J. Edgar, you about summed it all up there…
March 19th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
It seems they are working pretty fast to get this NWO thing on line.
It seems these supreme court justices have taken on the likeness of gods. If they have that much power, who is to stop them from making any declaration they want?
It’s pretty interesting how they introduced the topic in the first place. Someone asks about the D.C. handgun laws and it conveniently ends up on the laps of the supreme court justices. No one said a damn thing about the D.C. law for 30 years. Now all of a sudden it’s an issue? How convenient. It was obviously just a vehicle to get the issue in front of the decision makers in order to manipulate laws on a national scale.
I guess I’m overstating the obvious, but it blows me away how the government seems to be able to manipulate us at will. It really disgusts me. If you look at all the people in our government, including the supreme court justices, and how they are working so diligently to undermine everything our country was founded on, it leaves you wondering what is going through these peoples’ heads. Have they been brain washed? Paid off, in league with the devil? What are they thinking? Do these people not care about our country, do they not care that so many Americans have sacrificed, fought and died for their right to live freely and, now, to use their priveledge and power to harm us? How do they sleep at night? I just don’t understand.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
thats a big 10-4 bigmama. i will comply with no law or decree that violates the constitution. any orginization that impliments these unjust laws or decrees are criminals and should be disbanded and prosecuted.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
The founders rose up, fought and died for their ideas, they did not have any assurances of winning or even surviving the next skirmish.They pledged their lives fortunes and sacred honor. All this crap about: You can’t win the tyrants will have air and sophisticated weapons” What choice is there? If it goes down, people will be shot, arrested and interrogated in the “new army”way . Not everyone there at the start will see the constitution restored There are no assurances .Use their advantages against them,don’t be where they would expect to find you,hit and melt away, never provide a fixed position. REMEMBER BOYS:”aim small- miss small”
March 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
What about our American soldiers and our cops? Are they really going to shoot us and kill us for protecting the Constitution? Don’t these people think for themselves? Or, do they just blindly follow orders?
I’ve also heard that papers were signed giving foreign soldiers authority here in the U.S. in the case of some sort of national emergency? They have really thought of everything.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I know foreign soldiers would probably be waiting in line at a chance to get over here and kill some Americans, but what about our own soldiers and cops. They are Americans, too. Wouldn’t they be hesitant to fire on their own people?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
This is just another milestone for the NWO. Yeah…the NEOCONS are on a timeline and they really get pissed when we get in their way. They passed laws to make the U.S. of A. drinking age 21…how hard will it be to keep federal funds from states for gun control?
I truly believe this will start to wake people up. Do you think people will resist giving up their arms? I’ve seen the big boys talk big. I saw the videos of the English giving up their guns. Truly a sad site to see. They did it so ‘Peacefully’!
A Real life experience:
I recently purchased a rifle at one of the few independent gun shop stores left in NJ. I was even happy to see Ron Paul slim jims by the door. I brought up Gun Owners of America since I heard Larry Pratt talk with Alex on the radio. The sales guy behind the counter tells me that anyone who signs up with Gun Owners of America automatically puts you on the “gov’t watch list”. I really didn’t expect that comment from him. The shop, after I saw the NRA sticker, is obviously NRA biased. Another shopper did mention Ron Paul when we were talking some politics. This made me kinda happy. This experience tells me that there is still a lot of people that need to know the truth of what is going on.
Ron Paul has made the issues clear. We must be ready to stand tall to keep our freedoms from being taken away. Murray Sabrin is bringing much hope here in NJ. He’s a good person that is keeping up the fight.
I guess I need to tell my family, friends and co-workers another erosion of our Constitution has occurred. They are waking up…though the process is slow for most part.
Keep up the good fight and Godspeed to you all!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Cranky, and to everyone else that might agree with Cranky, you haven’t got it yet. There is a reason why our gov’t has allowed so many foreign troops (as well as criminals, psychopaths, and anyone with an IQ of less than 100) into our system of law enforcement and military. They want people that will NOT think rationally or for themselves; they want people who WILL simply follow orders without thinking; they want people who care about nothing and enjoy a good power-trip. I tell you if the day comes where there is mass social unrest, or even martial law, the LAST person you want to run to for help is one wearing a uniform. They will NOT hesitate to destroy your life.
I don’t care if they start going door to door one day…do NOT give up your arms. Imagine the bravery of the founding fathers declaring independence from England. They had little arms, little men, but huge ideas; and ideas are bulletproof. We will have to fight to take back our freedoms as our founding fathers had to fight to give us our freedoms. Americans think this country started as a free nation, well it didn’t, and it was only 230 years ago Americans were shedding their blood to make this a free nation they whole-heartedly believed in that today’s culture is destroying. It is a damn shame and my 25-year old heart is broken. YOU BETTER FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, OR GOD HELP YOU. DO NOT BE BRAINWASHED BY THEIR PATHETIC TV SHOWS AND THE MINDLESS FLUFF THEY THROW AT YOU. THEY ARE LAUGHING AT YOU, CAN’T YOU SEE THAT!!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
When the militia movement was at it’s full growth in the 90’s, there were 7.5 million men under arms and ready to fight. These were the ones working with their sheriff’s department openly and publicly; who knows how many more were operating underground. This is a huge force and even though they aren’t meeting actively, most of them are still there and still equipped. Remember, one guerilla fighter is worth ten regular troops!!! Next time a false flag OKC – 911 style operation will not diffuse the situation. Bet we could summon enough volunteers to fill those camps with treasonous neocons and guard em closely till their upcoming trials & hangings!!!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Reading these comments scares me as it plays directly into their mission.Generating constant fear even if it is all pertinent information, and not having clear options available is not good for anyone.
We do have options.
We need to act locally by participating in bringing about awareness.
Hand out CD’s
Take part in or even organize local, national events.
Take action in being active politically locally
Support or run your self as a third party candidate. The time is right.
We need hold our public officials accountable by us dictating what issues we know are important.
Get involved or educate Parents (PTA). Increase their awareness on what is really taking place in our schools, demand answers and action.
Have free screenings of a series of powerful documentaries, and provide info and direction to the many support, patriot, organizations that are in action.
Eventually one or two sites should turn out to be home base.The more we channel everyone to one or two sites.The more powerful our voice,The more organized we are and the more option we will have.
Organize a free internet radio show, or community cable show. .
And of course we all have to have faith in what ever God or creator or organized spiritual belief we hold that the giver of our next breath (man can only take the breath) will have a hand in the direction of this creation.
The main thing I see is this.
It is real, we are in the midst of a turning point for humanity. We have options.
We raise the standards,from the bottom up locally
We become responsible active aware voters(show up in huge numbers dictating what our agenda is).
Right now wouldn’t it be nice to have a few hundred representatives of such integrity as Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich,etc. Lets demand our standards now and eventually,sooner then later,we will have individuals with integrity and honor SERVING.
Spread the awareness.
Organized Massive action solves all problems.
We all know ultimately we will fight, kill and die for our lives and for our freedom if necessary.But we can not forget we have, can, and should be creating,and actively participate in options.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Pull your NRA membership. They print in Spanish and allowed the govenment to pass 2640 veterans disarmament act. Illegals are allowed to vote in many states. I am sure they have some kind of fake Id to buy guns.
Hispanics are asked to buy guns!
http://www.alipac.us/article-1187-thread-1-0.html
Blackwater and the miltary will be used along with some of the cops!
Don’t give up your guns!
March 20th, 2008 at 1:39 am
A Militia in our perfect little countries where the government has no secrets for you, are you kidding me??? bann all guns!!!
Atleast, that’s what people keep on telling me in the Netherlands
March 20th, 2008 at 2:09 am
I’m going to get the word out
March 20th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Look at Tibet to see what happens when tyrannical government turns on an unarmed population.
Those smiling Chinese goons wouldn’t look so smug if the Tibetans had guns.
I live in a totally, 100% gun-banned ‘civilized’ country here in the UK; yet the criminals on the streets have and use more guns than at any other time in our history -so how does that fit? Decent people are scared to go out at night and accept the police only turn up after the damage is done. Things are going to get worse and I feel it is all deliberate, they want us afraid all the time.
Don’t allow this to happen to you. Whatever is said about the USA, you allow your people the God-given dignity of a right to personal self defense, which is unarguably denied to us in the UK. Our government says we have a ‘right’ to use ‘reasonable force’ -but this means nothing unless it is realistic and practical -how are decent ordinary people expected to have a chance to defend against gangs with knives and guns when we are 100% banned from carrying any weapon of any description? People in power make me sick -they are rich and don’t live amongst crime yet make all the rules.
March 20th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Simple Hegelian Principle tells us as follows –
currently such weapon regulations would not receive public acceptance.
Problem? NO!
I suppose it will happen as follows – some shocking “attack” – maybe another Columbine (maybe staged this time) or a crazy guy running into the Capitol or some public institution, a small massacre with shooting some people – but really hurting something of public interest.
And then of course – all mainstream media – played up and down – panic, fear, all will be created – there will be a reaction as to say that people themselves will say that something has to be done – and the government – as of course always listening to people’s needs (a little sarcasm on my side here…) – will provide the demanded solution.
Strict regulation on bans.
Maybe they will even make a “coordinated attack” throughout various places in the US as this has an even much stronger psychological impact.
WTC down was bad, but with the Pentagon and a 4th plane too – that really made the “ATTACK” so shocking.
Do what you can to spread the word and enlight people.
I’m not a US-citizen myself, but I do my part.
March 20th, 2008 at 3:17 am
If the media declares it it must be true-right. NOT. If you believe anything the major mass media has to say about anything, I feel sorry for you. The major mass media has but one purpose and that is to condition you and I for the not so far away one world order.To sway our votes and to control our actions to suit the one world order.Wake up people before it’s too late.Soon America will be gone and on the level of third world countries.Stand up for freedom before it’s too late. I sure miss the old America but if you do a lot of reading from the other media, the ones that you can still trust and believe you will find out that our country was set up for failure from the beginning. America has turned into Amerika and I for one don’t like it. God save America.
March 20th, 2008 at 3:28 am
They can make it illegal to breathe, but that only means we’ll do it without their consent. Here in America we run on Natural Law. As Gandhi said, “It is not just our right but our duty to stand in firm defiance (to human rights violations)”. Once they take your gun, they’ll come for your gold, and then they’ll show up with a needle, and then a black bag.
March 20th, 2008 at 3:28 am
– Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we’ll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its “finger men” to point out enemies, its “muscle men” to destroy enemies, its “brain men” to plan war preparations, and a “Big Boss” Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
March 20th, 2008 at 4:36 am
Good Lord!
Much as I adhere to lots of the sentiments on this site, this is tragic!
Guns = violence = death.
this is what we are supposed to be fighting AGAINST.
Grow up, put guns down and use your HEADS!!!!!!
March 20th, 2008 at 4:56 am
Mitchell, what in the world are you talking about with that asinine analogy? Guns save over 2.1 million American lives each year, FBI statistics, every country that has instituted gun control under that phoney ruse, the bull work of tyranny,”safety,” it is shortly there after followed by the genocide of the population,Every country that has committed genocide has written near verbatim, the same laws as Adolf Hitler instituted in 1938, all of them talk about safety and relying on the police for our security,Maybe you have been asleep this last year, but the police are abusing their authority, taseing innocents, wheelchair bound women, stripping a women naked because she complained she was assaulted, breaking their bones, …the violations are to numerous to list, this is tyranny! All of the facts I just laid out can be found in Lethal laws by Aaron Zelmon, THE FACT IS GUNCONTROL =tyranny =death!
The only thing for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing, the government keeps brainwashing and polluting our young with drugs then sends them into schools etc., to murder so the population will clamor for gun control, can’t you see that? You obviously have the veil of ignorance upon you, pray that it is lifted! The wicked one puts the veil on his subjects making it appear of”god”, our creator says ,”My people die for lack of Knowledge! He instructs us to subdue and have dominion over our enemy in Genesis, subdue means to vanquish, to destroy to withdraw, employing your flawed logic which has been instituted by communist infiltrators in the pew potato church, we are being subdued by the enemy and Daniel calls this dilemma the 4th reign, the 4th Reich or empire, George magog the destroyer of Christianity announced this new world order in 1991, THIS IS IT, arm yourself as our savior instructs us, “he that does not have a sword, let him sell his garment and buy one, and defend the faith as the Father mandates,He said”he that does not provide for his own is worse than the unbeliever! How will you take care of and defend your family without a firearm? YOu can’t, hence you are in contravention to the word of the MOst High,if you are a believer, which is where I assume your pacifist posture was fostered, you have been lied to sir!
March 20th, 2008 at 4:59 am
When they come to take you or kill and rape your family, you will wish you had a gun!
March 20th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Once they disarm us , they will come for our families. This is no longer a government for the people, but for the corporations.
March 20th, 2008 at 5:47 am
We must surround them in masses an take there guns they should’nt be allowed with no criminals should have gons,as Dr Ron Paul has stated all government should not have guns.I pitty who ever comes to get them end first.Their using the Nazi plan a whole lot of them are German they are the wreckers of the Illuminiti.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie O’Donnel fat
March 20th, 2008 at 6:22 am
It’s very important that you see what is happening here in our federal agencies. Many, most, if not all of us have experienced abused and mistreatment at the hands of the petty tyrants who now think they run the US government.
So we know that there are many bad people, but what about the other side of the coin, what about the good people who work for the federal government who are left, the honest and bright ones?
The answer is, they are being systematically pushed out. This man was fired for having a Coast Guard blog, discussing important issues in a frank way, and for trying to make the Coast Guard a better place for all Americans–and for that, he was rewarded with termination. He scored very well on a job evaluation that was done 2 weeks prior to the termination, which cited his unofficial blog as the source of the reason for said termination.
The man’s name is Michael Mcgrath, and he’s from a Coast Guard family, and he’s worked for the CG for 20 years.
His web site is http://www.cgblog.org.
Immediately prior to being fired, he wrote about a tragedy involving a diving ship, which is described below:’
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An explosion aboard a Dive Support Vessel (DSV) has injured six members of a divers’ support team working on a pipeline project in the Gulf of Mexico. A seventh member of the crew was reported to be missing, said the US Coast Guard.
Coast Guard helicopters took the injured crew members to hospitals in Lafayette and Houma after Tuesday night’s explosion on the vessel, which took place about 15 miles south of Marsh Island in Iberia Parish.
According to Chet Morrison, CEO of Chet Morrison Contractors, the explosion apparently occurred in the engine room of the 150ft DSV Jillian Morrison.
The vessel was anchored at the time of the blast, Morrison said, and no divers were in the water. “They were in the field as part of routine connection work associated with some part of the pipeline,” Morrison said.
Chet Morrison Contractors acquired Jillian Morrison only recently. The 175ft four-point vessel with built-in diving equipment compliments CMC’s 185ft vessel, Stephanie Morrison, which is currently believed to be operational in the Gulf.
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There was an allegation that the Chet company didn’t properly manage the divers or safety, and that at least 3 divers now have permanent brain damage from carbon monoxide poisoning. Chet is trying to avoid paying them, and has already filed pre-emptive motions in court.
Mcgrath is the kind of individual that we want in the federal government, but because of the trends and the swirling, corrosive currents of corruption, he’s been thrown out–he’s been thrown out because he has integrity, and because he’s holding an honest dialog with the people he serves, the American People.
We need to back this guy up, because if we don’t, this government is going to rot out in front of our eyes like the floorboards of a 70’s Buick in a rainy city that uses salt on the roads.
Honesty and integrity is being punished, while silence, complicity, color-of-law abuses, and conspiracies to violate civil rights and perpetuate fraud, waste, and abuse, are being rewarded.
3 divers have brain damage, and they are now fighting a corrupt, deaf, behemoth. Who’s going to watch out for them, if the entire federal government and its oversight mechanisms are caked over with corruption and lies and malfeasance? Who’s going to help them, when everybody around them is a corrupt liar?
The Mcgrath situation shows exactly where what is wrong with our government is going wrong–Mcgrath is the canary in the coal mine, and we can’t just let him stop chirping and keel over.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:23 am
COME TRY TO TAKE MY GUNS, I WILL DIE BEFORE GIVING MY WEAPONS UP!
March 20th, 2008 at 6:24 am
http://www.cgblog.org
The period at the end of the sentence, which was grammatically correct, was incorrectly parsed into the URL.
Here’ s the corrected web address. Sorry about any confusion with the link.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:36 am
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TIMEFORWARHEREINTHEU.S Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 6:23 am
COME TRY TO TAKE MY GUNS, I WILL DIE BEFORE GIVING MY WEAPONS UP!
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I hear you, brother, but please read about Mr. Mcgrath, who was one of the few “good” federal employees on the job, from a Coast Guard family. His bosses fired him because he blogged about the Coast Guard and was sincere with the American public about reforming the Coast Guard’s mission to comport with today’s needs.
Brother, we don’t need a sinister government, we need a government run by time-honored, multi-generational families, whether it be in law enforcement, or fire-fighting, but the “good eggs” are being throw out as we speak, and are being replaced with psychopaths who will take orders to do anything (including ‘excessing’ us, as you are aware) in exchange for having their backgrounds legally expunged.
What I’m saying here, is that the root of the problem is the phenomenon where good men are being thrown out of the federal government, one by one, and are being replaced with “wolf packs” of cowardly bullies who feast on the fear of civilians, prey on them, and abuse them.
No, brother, you never give up those guns. And if you read this whole message, and get the gist of what I’m saying, reward yourself this weekend by buying another gun, particularly a rifle, and a few hundred rounds.
Remember you need to reliably hit a man-sized target from 500 yards, or you’re no good in this war, because that’s the kind of capabilities that the bad guys are going to have, when they come to try to take the guns away.
We need to stick together, and to form our own tiger-packs to counteract their wolf-packs, or else they will just sweep us and get all the guns. Find other guns owners so we can all concentrate our firepower on any lawbreaker or tyrant who comes to abuse us.
YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A GUN COMES FROM GOD, AND ANY MAN WHO TRIES TO TAKE THAT AWAY IS TRYING TO MAKE A SLAVE OUT OF YOU, AND A SLAVE OUT OF ME. You’re on the right track, God bless you. Don’t ever give up, and don’t ever give up those guns.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:49 am
Those in public office who try to impose such changes or amendments to our constituion should be immeditly stripped of thier office and replaced with those who stand for our constituional rights as our forefathers implied no changing of the words nothing injected as long as the people sit idoly by an allow them to desircrate our freedoms and liberties we shall be surcomed to the tyranny they impose upon us.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:52 am
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March 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I could care less what these members of the British Accredited Registry rule. They can rule as they wish and I shall not surrender my firearms. If they want them badly, they shall receive them working end first. Owning a gun is a right. They have no authority over rights. This match will be settled on the field of battle. I say good and good and good. ‘Tis time many who claim to be in this movement prove themselves as men. If you will not fight then you deserve the death of the camps.
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Working end first, I like that. You know, they have these groups of men in Iraq, these paramilitary thugs working for the United States, who go out looking for guns, and sometimes they never come back.
So, I guess they found the guns.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:53 am
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TheSlayer Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
We have no air support,
That’s not entirely correct.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:57 am
bigmamma that will only work if we all declare it.,..I have spent most of my life being locked up and put in prison.I can tell you how to shut down a prison.It is not hard .
March 20th, 2008 at 7:00 am
“Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” <—- This is the most unrealistic statement imaginable and does NOT belong being use to defend the second amendment!
Guns are dangerous. Guns are lethal. Every one of them. Take guns completely out of the equation and we are back in the 1300s. If you wanted to kill someone you sharpened a blade as best you could, stalked your victim, and hoped to hell you were faster than he was.
Not too many murders taking place when everyone is on level playing field. Give hood rats guns, now its no longer a level field at all. You have criminals wielding unstoppable power.
But for over 700 years mankind has constantly worked to advance and improve all weaponry. Our founding fathers knew and saw this, which is why they maintained that every citizen should have the right to bear these arms, AS IT IS THEIR ONLY MEANS OF DEFENDING THEMSELVES WHATSOEVER.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:00 am
ps you can’t do it with guns.Atleast not at first.My advice is to hide some bury them.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:03 am
very ignorant dude and it will cost you your life someday.do penciles misspell words.you dumbass that is what will happen only it will us living in the dark ages they will still have guns duh duh
March 20th, 2008 at 7:10 am
PETERZ WHEN s--- HIT’S THE FAN,notice I said When not IF you are one of the SHeeple that will be BEGGING FOR SOMEONE WITH A GUN TO HELP YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO LIVE WITH CONSTANT “CRANIAL RECTITUS” ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.
IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT ARMED CITIZENS DETER IF NOT STOP CRIME……..DO YOU REALLY THINK A CRIMINAL GIVES A s--- ABOUT LAWS??????
REPORT TO WAL-MART FOR YOUR INOCULATION,THEN GET ON THE BUS TO THE F.E.M.A. WORK CAMP YOU FREAKIN LAMB…………
March 20th, 2008 at 7:12 am
WITHOUT AN ARMED CITIZEN ARMY ,OUR GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO RUN AMUCK EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS NOW……
“JERICHO” IS NOT JUST A TELEVISION SHOW
March 20th, 2008 at 7:14 am
we the people dont need guns…we need rocket launchers and grenades and the bible..lol
March 20th, 2008 at 7:22 am
guns are bad, thumbscans are GOOD
guns are bad, microchip implants are GOOD
guns are bad, national id card GOOD
guns are bad, random traffic stop searches GOOD
guns bad, retinal scans to purchase GOOD
guns bad, total state control GOOD
guns bad, corporate takeover GOOD
guns bad, lying down like a bunch of american idol watching, football crazy sheeple trash who couldnt tell the difference between tyranny and their rear ends GOOD
March 20th, 2008 at 7:29 am
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J. Edgar Hoovers ghost Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Can you guess what Iraq is REALLY all about ? Iraq is urban warefare training to prepare our US troups to fight against the American people when the revolution does finally occur. All those ten’s of thousands of troops are learning what to expect from urban guerrillas (like you and me), how to torture most effectively, how to rape, how to kick down doors, how to murder and pillage.
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So they train to kill us and our families, and it’s “Iraq urban warfare operations against dissidents”, but if we train to kill them, then we’re terrorists doing ‘dry runs’–but we know that they are cowards and liars, and that they’re using dumb people like a wall or a weapon against us, because that’s what cowards do.
They (the US paramilitary units and CIA) claim, “We need to kill the terrorists first, before they kill us”, but they’re not targeting terrorists, they’re targeting civilians, and they’re targeting us, so if we use the same approach, then they’re going to say that pre-emptive self-defense against a confirmed bad government is a form of terrorism, and that’s baloney, and I think people, from generals on down, are going to see just how false that whole paradigm is.
The elites want to have all the money and power and land, so they’re coming to kill us, but if we want to defend ourselves then we’re terrorists, so they have to wipe us out; that’s one paradigm, and that’s what they’ve been doing to the Iraqis, and in the Middle East, and in Latin America for decades now. These people, and their children, are just brought up under despotic oppression, and the United States is training and sending torturers and murderers to the Middle East and Latin America, and bribing the rebellious young men with demeaning manual labor when they rise up, to placate them just enough to keep them enslaved. It’s a terrible way of life.
The whole thing is rotten from end to end. We don’t need Washington politicos stealing our Navy and Air Force and Army and using the military as a cudgel abroad. We don’t need these lying corporate whores or their wars anymore.
We can defend our own borders and run our own country without them. They need to go to prison and stay there for a long time.
And as far as the returning monsters from Iraq, well, use what works, use what’s been proven most effective against them by poor Iraqis just trying to defend their families. That’s what we’ll have to do.
I guess the United States is going to have to be destroyed with the house-to-house searches, and arson, and explosions everywhere. And then everything is going to become concrete-reinforced, hardened, military-style buildings with tanks rumbling through burning streets.
Elites like nature, so we can go up in trees and start killing birds, or cutting down forests or polluting rivers. We can destroy the atmosphere before they do, or before they can target certain areas over others.
Too bad for those poor elites who wanted to use neutron bombs and preserve all the real estate.
We can make sure that our hell, will become their hell. They won’t be able to escape and hide in some submarine under the North Pole while America burns.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:32 am
I have a buddy who has his stash of guns. He says when the government comes for them, he will give it to them… one bullet at a time.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Well…just a little more foreplay until we are completely striped of our gun privileges. Weather we have the guns physically or not, what is the difference? America has already been MENTALLY disarmed.
No big deal to me. I have learned to accept the fact that people are sheeple. Everyone will just bitch, bitch, bitch, but at the end of the day they will follow the rest of the shepple. Always has worked that way and will continue to work that way.
We have the guns now and don’t even use them. There are criminals running our country, we allow it and don’t arrest them. So what is the difference weather we have a second amendment or not??? BOO-HOO…WAHHHH!!!
I am so tuff with my guns. I have 5000 rounds of ammunition, but I am going to burry it where it doesn’t serve any purpose. Hahahahahaha….would you people listen to how pathetic you are…lol.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:52 am
TheSlayer<— He’s right. Door to door, is how they will take the guns. One at a time like hurrican Katrina. Katrina was a test to see if Americans would look te other way while FEMA had their way with innocent citizens. It won’t do any good to have a firearm. 30 million peaceful protestors on the white house lawn is the only way to stop this madness.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:57 am
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NWO citizen Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Well…just a little more foreplay until we are completely striped of our gun privileges. Weather we have the guns physically or not, what is the difference? America has already been MENTALLY disarmed.
No big deal to me. I have learned to accept the fact that people are sheeple. Everyone will just bitch, bitch, bitch, but at the end of the day they will follow the rest of the shepple. Always has worked that way and will continue to work that way.
We have the guns now and don’t even use them. There are criminals running our country, we allow it and don’t arrest them. So what is the difference weather we have a second amendment or not??? BOO-HOO…WAHHHH!!!
I am so tuff with my guns. I have 5000 rounds of ammunition, but I am going to burry it where it doesn’t serve any purpose. Hahahahahaha….would you people listen to how pathetic you are…lol.
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I knew half way through the first sentence that you were a smarmy little poseur.
Thanks for flushing yourself out.
Charlie’s in the light. Charlie’s in the light. Enjoy your liquidation, old friend. It’s 8:00am Mountain Time, 10:00am Eastern Time, which makes you an early riser for someone with such a studied lack of verbal discipline. Etymological countermeasures aren’t necessary here due to the already extant deluge of keywords, which lends little credence to non-official status for your presence here today.
I think you need more practice if you want to earn money doing what you are doing.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Hey NWO citizen! I think that the Captains’ buddy has the first bullet trained on your head! Watch yourself, you traitor of the Constitution!
March 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am
One by one you will hear(internet ) in the near future how they will raid gun owners and take there guns away.They will raid homes and businesses all across America.They can’t take them all at once,because they know there will be a back lash from the people.And the controlled media will be more than happy to keep it hush hush for them.This is one fight we have to win.Theres a town in America where everyone owns a gun,there crime rate is next to nothing.The proof is out there that guns save lives.If they take the peoples guns away,you might as well start digging your own graves,because shortly there after,thats where we will all end up.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:09 am
TIME FOR THE “CITIZEN ARMY” TO GATHER AND TRAIN IN “COUNTER ATTACK” PRINCIPLES……
BUT GEUSS WHAT ,NO ONE WANTS TO ….TO BUSY WITH WORK,LIFE, SIPHONING GAS TO GET TO WORK,GOIN TO THE WAL-MART FOR ROTTEN MEAT AND FRUIT FROM SOUTH AMERICA,BUYIN CRAP TOYS LOADED WITH LEAD FROM CHINA,,,, IT IS DEPLORABLE……..VOTE DOESN’T COUNT ,POWERFUL RICH GET RICHER BY THE NANO- SECOND WHILE WE THE PEOPLE WATCH OUR PALTRY 401K LOOSE MONEY IN MINUTES…….PROTESTING GETS YOU “DOCUMENTED” IF YOUR SEEN AT A POLITICAL PROTEST YOU ARE VIDEO TAPED AND YOUR TARGETED…….
“DO NOT BE SCARED-BE PREPARED” IS MY MOTTO……..
March 20th, 2008 at 8:49 am
My Fellow CountryMen
It is time to march with our Leadership (Ron Paul) on DC and let the court know that we will defend this nation as provided by the second amendment against all enemies foreign and domestic. At anytime. We must march…
March 20th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I really don’t think peoples or individuals understand what it would take to revolt. Try one night hiding in the woods. Think about it? No warm bed , no food supply , no toilet. Guns and ammo are also heavy. You better be fit and not care about eating much. Words aren’t action. No one will know until they come a’knockin. Better know where you are going to go!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Open you eyes. Ok, so why are yours shut? How the f--- do you equate defending the Constitution from lying politicians a “revolt”?
This ain’t Russia, Britan, or Germany dude. You need to wake the f--- up.
And I won’t be “hiding in the woods” either. I will be shooting mother f---in traitors and spending the night in their nice track homes while I refresh before I go shoot up more FEMA camps, rail cars, and armored columns.
I think you need to watch Red Dawn again and grow a set of balls.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am
This is madness. Pure f---ing madness.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:08 am
“Open your eyes”? I hope i’m wrong, but you sound like the kind of pussy who would sell out his own neighbor for a hamburger. Any way, I feel I should let you know that I for one, will f---ing shoot you without hesitation for treason should you bow down to martial law. And then I will take whatever WAS yours. BE WARNED.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Gabriel A. King,
Stay calm. I am scared. Will you protect me?
Rhonda
PS: This is comment number 73
March 20th, 2008 at 9:10 am
In case you don’t remember, TREASON IS ILLEGAL. And so is martial law. Suspension of the Constitution is also illegal, and treason. So I am well within my rights to defend the innocent and this country from tyranny. WAKE UP.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Rhonda. f--- American Express. “Don’t leave home without” THIS- http://www.magnumresearch.com
March 20th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Gabriel A. King,
If you will defend the innocent, does that mean I do not have to be scared anymore and you will protect me?
Rhonda
PS: This is comment number 76
March 20th, 2008 at 9:16 am
This so called “victory for gun rights”, is just a trick by the government to lull the people into thinking there is no conspiracy, and they still have rights.
How else are you going to get the sheeple to trust you, and let you take them to FEMA camp, in case we have another “emergency”?
March 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Rhonda, I probably won’t be around to protect you. I’ll be out shooting up traitors and multinational “peacekeepers”, and trying to save innocent people from being railroaded to the camps. And hopefully, I won’t be alone. But if I am, f--- it. I don’t care. I’ll fight even if I am the only one. And when I take my anger out on someone, I want it to be the people who deserve it- the scum who enforce the betrayal of America.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO FIGHT. One man CAN make a difference.
IMAGINE WHAT MILLIONS OF US CAN DO.
Surrendering the Constitution is NOT an option. You will end up slaves, you and your children will be raped, people will be systematically murdered. And eventually, soon, the UN will enforce the global ID described in Rev 13.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Gabriel A. King,
I am scared. People follow me around wherever I go as it is. Now I have to worry about them?
Rhonda
PS: This is comment number 80
March 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Gabriel, you seem determined to “go out in a barrage of bullets”. Don’t you see any other future for yourself? While you may believe in life eternal, isn’t it prudent to make contigency plans for a life….just in case all this mass murder DOESN”T occur?
March 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am
No
March 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Oh, and one other thing…..I get the feeling your anger may come from more personal sources…..internally and that possibly you are latching onto this negative scenario and magnifying it beyond reasonable probability. You seem like an extremely angry person. God bless you for standing up for the constitution for sure, but I would seriously examine my internal anger.
people protector Reply:
March 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
no gabriel is right read the bible its all there in black and white it predicts everything that has happend is happening and will happen so read rev 13 and c 4 yourself
March 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I’m sick of a bunch of negative talk about,”we ain’t gonna nothin, those who engage in that mantra sound like disinformation agents,”
War is a terrible thing and takes a lot of mental and physical preparation, did they attack Iraq in one day, no, it took the mighty united states 6 months to set up staging areas, logistics and move the troops over there, Did the insurgents fighting there plan to do this? No, they were forced into it and have successfully fended their country for 5 years.
Did the founders attack every time they were attacked, no, they waited and tried to use every means possible to resolve the situation peacefully,”moliter manus imposuit,” they exhausted every appeal, then, there was the staw that broke the camels back, then the core militia element when faced with coward soldiers marching down the avenue to relieve them of their arms in the face of oppressive taxes and soldiers living in their houses etc.,”they suffered more tyranny than us, the only soldier in my house is me.
You people need to deeply consider history, no one wants to go to war and while all our petitions are equally ignored and we have no representation, we are still holding out for the correct timing, if they are attacked first, we look like the bad guys thus they can demonize us thus they have the moral highground, conversely, when the launch their next attack as general honore and tommy franks,”traitors!” have said will happening and we know they are now preparing to do in a multi pronged attack to utterly cripple our nation and decimate the moral of our country, then, it will not be a choice, it will not matter if people can tolerate being in the cold like the days of the civil and first revolutionary war, many reluctant men were dragged into it, they found courage through necessity and preservation, it is our inherent human nature, any time a strong cowardice force subjugates the general population who by and large want to be left alone, raise their children and love their spouses et.
We should revel in this time, we can still communicate, we have the weapons, we need this time to network and assemble a general plan, amongst the various groups and states to defend themselves, we are blessed that we are given time for our children to grow big enough that they have some ability to defend themselves in our absence and we have time to prepare logistically while we still can, proactively attacking prematurely is bad medicine, history hath shewn, that free men wear no tyrants chains and the unwashed are increasingly seeing that we that they consider “radical” are actually in the know and have told the truth while the fedgov has ben the deceiver and is the object of their destruction.
Esprit de corp!
March 20th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Gabriel. I am with you. I have been get amno, food, water and gold for 10 years now getting ready for the time that is upon us. Those of you that have not, you have better start. the s--- is about to hit the fan.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Watcher, we all have a right to be angry, this is ager with direction, if some one comes in your house and tortures your family to death and rapes them at will, are you happy, at no time in history has being nice to the enemy inspired them to stop killing, raping, burning etc.,
You say, what if they don’t do mass murder??? That is totally illogical, they are setting up staging areas all over our country, they have built concentration camps and cars, they bragg that and the young dupes cheer the murder of 90% of our population,.
Lets say, tomorow, all of them woke up and collectively said, you know, I don’t think we wmt to kill every one as planned,”isn’t going to happen” they still are not going to undo all the treacherous laws, the sick garbage they are doping to our kids in schools, they are still forcing deadly and debilitating innoculations,the list of trason goes on and on, they are stripping us of our freedom and we have NO VOE,NO REPRESETATION,NOTHING, THIS IS NOT GOING TO EVER GET BETTER,IF IT STOPPED RIGHT NOW TODAY,IT HAS GONE TOO FAR!
Your contention is un”reasonable,” and many peole are going to suffer and die thinking that way, that is what the turncoat rabbis told the Jews to send them on their way to the camps, “deception to the last!, was hitlers and this country’s motto, They didn’t THINK the Germans could or would do so much evil, they were duped into thinking, just comply, get this over and we’ll settle the differances after it’s over! That is what FEMA is telling pastors to tell their flocks of pew potatoes today here in AMerica, WAKEUP!!!!!
March 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
This just goes to show , people have no brains. Read the bible yourself. It says follow the words of the men who rule you….UNLESS what they say goes against the word of God . Then you must follow god. So it goes to show , all these preachers don’t know anything about the true god. I personnaly think guns won’t help because the only reason for guns is killing. The rule is ‘Those who kill by the sword will be killed by the sword.’. So to me , I’ll never sink to their level. THEY need guns and weapons to impose rule and intimidate. The message I’ve ( and others) been given requires no fight as it says ‘ Sit still and watch as I fight for you this time!’ and ‘Worry not , the former things have passed!’. They can come smash this shell I call a body , spit on it , burn it , hang it in the street all day for show….it matters not. My soul , the breath of life , will return to Jehovah , witnessing to the fact that I didn’t accept this system and would not sink to their level and murder out of the fear THEY created. I promise all out there , in those final days only 1 question will be asked of you , ,Do you accept this system as your saviour , or do you choose Jesus?’. And you WILL die when and if you answer Jesus. Have faith , they can’t kill the soul …….only the shell. And NONE of those hypocrite preachers will be waiting on the other side. Right now theu are telling you who they choose as leader. They , like Satan himself and all his system will be SIMPLY FORGOTTEN…….like just some dream.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Line up for your chips.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Fred J, your answers are always thoughtful. And I understand and agree with alot of what you are saying. But in life…IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE…one must understand that NOTHING is set in stone as the ONLY POSSIBLITY. Murphy’s Law was written for a reason. There are ALWAYS existential possiblities in any given situation, whether personal or global. That is why I keep as many potential options open in my mind (including extraterrestrial intervention and Planet X).
I appreciate your comments always. But I believe that reasonable people look at EVERY possible contingency. TY
March 20th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Oh, and Fred, one other thing. I always keep my powder dry! LOL
March 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Barbar, I VERY MUCH appreciate your posting. This is correct my friend. We have nothing to fear IF WE BELIEVE IN GOD’S PROMISES. God (Jehovah) or whatever word one puts on it has given his word. It is the word OF THE CREATOR. And yes, Satan wants us living in fear. I have always been sure that things will move in the process ordained by God.
Again, thank you for that imperative.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Like I said Gabriele, go spend a night in the woods. I bet you couldn’t shoot worth a crap! With you’re attitude they will just bomb the piss out of your neighborhood. And by the way Red Dawn was just a movie.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:23 am
As a Jewess in the US, may I remind everyone that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk? And that America wasn’t won with a registered gun? That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:23 am
No Barbar, that quote in Romans 13 was a response in one context in which the pharisees were trying to trick Yahshua into incriminating himself, again and again this has to be said to undo all the communist infiltrator have done to damage our scriptures to their Machiavellian ends, Read the scriptures in Hebrew, Mr. Tyndale translated the scriptures into English from the Hebrew so the the largely illiterate and badly uneducated English who were religiously oppressed could understand it, Again, read Genesis, Bers---h, The most High mandates we are to SUBDUE and have dominion, subdue means to VANQUISH, to destroy to remove, remove who? The Nephilim, the Giants of whom there are today many and various skeletons left, see stevequayle, and google the various giant skeletons that have been found recently, these were the seed of the wicked one that were defiling our women, committing various abominations such as beastiality and homosexuality, committing genetic manipulations creating chimeras,”SAME AS TODAY, THE END WILL BE AS THE DAYS OF NOACH!” All throughout the scriptures we are mandated to take up arms and be his battle axe, Jeremiah 50-51, Yahshua himself tells us to buy a sword in Luke 22:35-36, you have to look at the totality of the scriptures not individual verses, how could we have dominion over the seed of the wicked ones if we are unarmed? David defended himself and his army by hitting the nephilim in the brainpan, the examples are too numerous, in psalm 149 He tells us that <’like the declaration of Independence, when a government becomes corrupted, the Almighty YahVeh will raise up mighty men to restore the government,” that’s a paraphrase, read it entirely. No where does it say we are supposed to be subject to ungodly wicked government, that’s an oxymoron, how could we subdue and have dominion if we are unarmed? If we are subject to absolute Despotism and the wicked ways inspired by the wicked one, there would be no believers to spread the word, there would be no America, axiomatically, if we are not subduing the wicked ones, then they are subduing us,”as is the case today,” and that is in contravention to the will of the Almighty and his word, doublethink!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:28 am
For all of you Bible/Koran/Tora etc scolars…..be advised…..there really IS a WEE SMALL VOICE from the spirit that will keep you UPDATED. No need to live in the past and biblical dogma any longer people. In the sixties there was a saying “tune in and turn on”. You are like a radio receiver if you want to be. God does speak IN REAL TIME to those who listen. The updates will not come on the tv or internet friends. The updates will come from the home which you will one day return to. This is a sojourn friends. A passage. And soon to be seen as a dream. God is watching. God is speaking. God is omnipotent. God can do ALL.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Open your eyes. I don’t know what your angle is, but what do you suggest? Are you even a 911 truther? And what are your political views. If you advocate some other form of opposition to marital law, i’d like to hear it. But as far as willingly boarding a railcar, I don’t think i’m to into it dude. Especially after watching the Pianist.
Speak up buddy, i’m waiting. I am really curious as to your viewpoint on this.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am
NWO citizen? Are you serious? You wouldn’t take a UN chip would you? Say it isn’t so!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am
NWO, thank you for the expression of candor. Infighting never assists god’s people. A house divided, etc…. Let’s not be diverted into argument. Let’s keep our eye on our goals.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Fred and hornet, were definately on the same page. Barbar, the statement “Those who kill with the sword must be killed with the sword” is oft misinterpeted. A more difinitive definition would be to say, “As you do unto others, the same shall be done unto you”.
It’s not a crime to fight evil, and defend yourself and the innocent. Even Jesus said “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law”. And what is “THE LAW”? Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy. You will be pleasantly surprised at the true lengths of our Christian authority.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Gabriel, he also stated that “I am come to bring a sword”….. equally dividing the word of truth.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
And another thing, there is no higher Law than God’s law. And it is that law, that we should attend to first, and give precedent over all else.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Watcher. Jesus had alot of patience, and set a good example. He was always demonstrating with his behavior the importance of being non judgemental, forgiving, and loving.
However, even the Lord has his breaking point, and if you recall, he did drive the money changers out of the temple with a 3 cord whip. But that is nothing compared to what he will do to the NWO beast system when he returns. LOL
March 20th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Gabriel, there is so much more to it than you think. If you really want the big picture start looking into Planet X! Thats what is really coming and when it arrives most everything will be destroyed! The rest is just management for after the destruction. Most of the world will be radically changed and all of the goverments know this is going to happen. Just look at Norway and the Doomsday Vault. Look and ye shall find the truth!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Oh man,,,you guys, Barbar and Watcher, you have been blinded by churchianity revisionism, the same sort of revisionism that has infested our schools to remold the masses minds into pacification and compliance, Yahshua does not want this for you, you people are only reading half the scriptures,even the new testament as I have outlined does not direct you to be pacifests, an analogy, my neighbors are all heathens, they are cretinous nitwits who are lost and most likely facing damnation if they don’t get right soon, as much as I would like not to, I am mandated to love these people and as long as they don’t trespass me, I am to treat them as beloved neighbors,”I have prayed much about this,” if they do trespass me and ask forgiveness than I am mandated to forgive them, if they do not, I do not as scriptures says.
However, the bright line of demarcation here is, when Adam and Eve,”Hawara,” partook of the sexual fruits of Lucifer who was at that time a beautiful angel, and she conceived while Adamu was the first victim of the abomination of homosexuality, YahVeh said,” I will put enmity between your seed and his seed,” Between one man and one women, there is only one seedline, therefore, Hawara,Eve had conceived by both her helpmeet Adam and the one known as the wicked one,Lucifer,” 1 john 3 1:12 the son of the wicked one,” Now, enmity means hatred, the seedline of the serpent who YahVeh put on his belly, and the seedline of Adam and Eve, the bloodline through which our savior would pass,”Yahshua ha Memeshiac.”
Would you two stand idly by while U.N. Troops or the Mexican army who uis now invading our soil to rape your wife and daughter, shoot your 17 yr old son and haul them off to a haliburton ran/blackwater concentration camp shortly before or after they shoot you or send you on a separate train to a labor camp to work to deat? How does this fulfill our covenant to subdue the wicked one? This makes no sense, do you understand that,YahVeh tells us that “he that does not provide for his own is worse that the unbeliever, providing embodies defense of your loved ones, if you aren’t going to take care of your loved ones, they need to find a man who will and leave you to your fate, don’t allow them to be subject to this ZHell on earth, Read the scriptures in the Hebrew via a concordance.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:55 am
“Joshua Horwitz, director of the Education Fund to Stop Gun Violence, who filed a brief in the case and watched the arguments, conceded he cannot count five votes for a strictly militia-rights view of the Second Amendment that would allow for almost unlimited regulation of firearms. But he could conceive of five justices adopting an individual-rights view that will mean “a lot of regulations will be OK. The outcome is not necessarily poor for us.”"
Militia-rights are the only thing holding the people separate from the state, the state can go declaring what it wants, when its crunch time, our guns keep us eternaly not in the hands of a statehood or kings tyranny. sadly though i dont see a gun standing against a bioweapon or nuke, which as we all know 9-11 was a willing job by the ruling class.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Fred J.: Your theology is a disaster! Biblical eisegesis is, often, a really bad approach in determining what the Bible is saying to us. There’s no Scriptural evidence, whatsoever, that Eve had sex w/ Lucifer. If you take a ‘woodenly literal’ approach to Biblical exposition and teaching, then you’ll not only confuse yourself but all others who might foolishly entertain your notions. Just an observation..Amerika bless God! Chris
March 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Hey Fred you need to get of the religious band wagon and look into Planet X. Also known as Wormwood for you bible readers.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Fred J, again I appreciate your opinions. I do not agree however. You are jumping to conclusions about my beliefs. Again….having actually died…..I have had the pleasure of meeting our maker during this lifetime. It was a most wonderful experience to say the least. Too many of us WANT TO LIVE UNDER various dictoms. All the bible study in the world will not change WHAT IS. Everyone wants to be an expert. Everyone wants to correct everyone else. I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM. I BELIEVE GOD BELIEVES IN FREEDOM. We are all entitled to our interpretation and belief. And by the by, hell really is here on earth. All of those who embody hatred, jealousy, betrayal, devisiveness, et all, shall HAVE THEIR REWARD. That is the truth. Flowery words will never change that truth. Scriptural quotations will never change it. God reads the sincere heart.
God bless Fred.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am
You got that right Gabe, that is exactly correct, if mans law is in contravention to the Almighty’s law, then we are to forego the former for the latter, A fortiori!
I am aware of planet X, Niburu, it is according to summerian cuniform, the home and origin of the giants, the Nephilim, some call the Anunaki, If that happens it hapens, we might all perish, as Esther said, if we parish, we parish, however, it is irresponsible to say to your family, well, we’re going to die anyway, so we don’t need to prepare, the scriptures tells us to prepare every year at the feast of Tabernacles, we live in a tent for a week and practice our skills, dance and sing and hone our survival skills, we midrash, “The Jewess will know what that means, it is a beautiful time, I can’t wait eto do it full time, I didn’t want to come back! I amsick to death of society and living in the world!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am
OpenYourEyes, thank you for that entreaty. Many of us have studied on that subject of late. It could prove to be a factor in the future of our solar system.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Fred J, again I appreciate your opinions. I do not agree however. You are jumping to conclusions about my beliefs. Again….having actually died…..I have had the pleasure of meeting our maker during this lifetime. It was a most wonderful experience to say the least. Too many of us WANT TO LIVE UNDER various dictoms. All the bible study in the world will not change WHAT IS. Everyone wants to be an expert. Everyone wants to correct everyone else. I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM. I BELIEVE GOD BELIEVES IN FREEDOM. We are all entitled to our interpretation and belief. And by the by, hell really is here on earth. All of those who embody hatred, jealousy, betrayal, devisiveness, et all, shall HAVE THEIR REWARD. That is the truth. Flowery words will never change that truth. Scriptural quotations will never change it. God reads the sincere heart.
God bless Fred.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Watcher: Where did you happen to meet “our maker” [sic] after you “died”? God is in Heaven, and the Glorified Son of the Most High, Jesus Christ, is seated at His right hand (per the Scriptures). Were you really there?! Come on, now..be for real. I don’t doubt you might have experienced “clinical death”, but the rest is tough to swallow. Chris
March 20th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Yes, I was hoping Watcher would elaborate. Not that I doubt, I just wanna hear it
March 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Fred J.: Your theology is a disaster! Biblical eisegesis is, often, a really bad approach in determining what the Bible is saying to us. There’s no Scriptural evidence, whatsoever, that Eve had sex w/ Lucifer. If you take a ‘woodenly literal’ approach to Biblical exposition and teaching, then you’ll not only confuse yourself but all others who might foolishly entertain your notions. Just an observation..Amerika bless God! Chris
High Plains, My theology is straight out of the scriptures from our creators language in Hebrew- all the silliness that has been inserted into it, Who do you think the other seedline came from, there was no one else there, why is Cain referred to as the son of that wicked one? I do not need to explain all the common sense meaning in the scriptures, you are confused and so, in that I have provided proof, youu are the one who needs to study and apply reason, I provide proof here every day, day in and out and no one yet as been able to prove me wrong, what I am teaching provides answers to a bunch of asinine 3rd grade level story telling that the scriptures has been subject to as a result of the roman church and various kings and the pharisees needing to keep the truth from reaching the hearts and minds of the unwashed masses, this is a tool of control that has been assumed by the communists that have long ago infiltrated our churches and schools, the truth as I have presented it answers questions and areas of the scriptures where the enemy has inspired people have been able to attack it, if we are not to take the scriptures literally, then what would be the point of reading it, I am not into fiction and since the scriptures have been proven scientifically and factually accurate via the skeletons of the giants and the chariot/horse remains at the bottom of the Red Sea where the scriptures say they are in that order amidst tons of other proofs provided by the book, the Exodus cae,theexoduscase.com splitrockresearch.com exodusconspiracy.com. I have the book and have met the divers and I’m fixen to again with their documentary compilation next month, you cannot quash the truth with empty denials. Since the scriptures are proven accurate and scientifically, the our savior and His Father, our creator and the accounts of the wicked one defiling Eve as the giants defiled the women in the days of Noach are TRUE and the TRUTH…VERITAS.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Chris, yes I died. Yes I spoke to god. And yes, I was told to return. I was killed in a car accident. Sheet over head. Died in ambulance and was dead for close to 20 minutes in earth time. Eternal time is different I believe you can understand that. A broken bone went through my heart. I will not argue biblical beliefs because until I experienced it, I had other beliefs entirely. I was raised Catholic.
I now have other personal beliefs. Yes, when I died my whole life as they say “flashed before me”.
Not just what I DID, but what I THOUGHT and even further…. God granted me the ability to hear the thoughts of those I harmed.
It matters not if you believe me. What matters is that one day you will all meet your creator. I hope you are all ready for that. This is only a passage on this planet. It is a sojourn.
God bless you all….believers and non.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am
~They took our legal backing by attacking the Constitution
~They’re taking our offensive backing by attacking the 2nd
~They’re working on attacking our defensive backing by banning the sale of body armor to civilians
~God is the Universe and we are all connected with it. If your ready, think long and hard on this quote…”We are all the universe interrpreting itself.’ The universe contains the same element as what most people define as God. The beginning and the end, the creator, the father, alpha and omega. It is the same thing, simply called something different. God and the Universe are the same thing. The universe is all things. Period, that is the way most define it. It is ever expanding, ever growing, ever learning. It has a consciousness and feels. It has good and evil, just like all things. Therefore, you are part of the universe, and thus, you are able to communicate with it.
I apologize for the tangent, but I read all the religion talk and had to put that out there.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Fred J, I’m with ya on your Eden belief. That is the only thing that makes sense.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I don’t doubt watcher in that he died and experianced the presance of the MOst High,
I had a vision years ago while in deep prayer, I did not see an identifiable form, but the presence gave me such an awesome overall feeling and I was made to know this is how we feel in Heaven which I never before understood why everyone was so gung ho to go there, nevertheless, we have a covenant here, we have a mandate, to subdue the wicked ones seedline, we are to be his battle axe in the tribulation, the 4th reign or reich, prior to our saviors return when he returns as a Lion with a two edged sword in Judgement, we, the believers are to be Judged first, lest it would be unfair to the unbvelievers, then the wicked one is to be defeated and we assume the kingdom on Earth, IT IS WRITTEN!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I agree with you there Watcher on your 115 post, that is awesome, “As for me and mine, we will fullfill our covenant,”a marriage proposal, this is our contract to perform for our Messiah just as you are expected to perform your duties and covenant with your husband or wife, it is a beautiful shadow picture.”
March 20th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Watcher: You were dead for “close to 20 minutes”..and that “in Earth time”?! The brain can’t survive without oxygen for more than 8-10 minutes without suffering severe and lasting damage. Please tell me you’re exaggerating! Otherwise..I’ll have to conclude otherwise. haha etc. Chris
March 20th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Much truth in what Watcher is saying, even according to the scriptures.
Fred, 114. Sure, it’s possible. But sort of like the DaVinci code, not 100% clear. The “Sons of God” came in unto the daughters of men. Well, this didn’t imply “Sons of Satan”. Possibly a reference to fallen angels. Even good men are sinners, and create injustice and violence in their ignorance.
But according to the parable of the wheat and the tares, God sows his children into the earth, and Satan sows his. This is also evident in the parable of the Sheep and the Goats.
Like Watcher says, it doesn’t matter what religion people are. It only matters what they truly are on the inside, their soul.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:35 am
What’s with all this ‘new age’ religious nonsense on this site? I’ve been debating folks for years who are into all the experiential hokum, but don’t know the Bible. The world is already full of “strong delusion”, everywhere one turns. I would hope that folks would seek after Godly wisdom, and not rely on what they’ve seen in the ’secret chambers’ of their own minds. C
March 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am
High Plains Drifter, as Jesus once said “the kingdom of heaven is within you”. Because you dont understand something is not sufficient to label it “new age religious nonsense”. Mose people here are pretty well researched in MOST areas. And since you mention “godly wisdom” at least you understand there is some. And by the by, that “godly wisdom” would be stored in their minds. Do you have somewhere else in mind? LOL
March 20th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Gabe,that “sons of god” phrase , it is in this context refering to the fallen angels, just as when Eve says, ” I have gotten me a man from the lord,” she is refering to ba’alzubub, she said this in the context of, being in the Almighty’s face, this is common Hebrew speech. It is impossible for her to have had an offspring of two differant seeds and cain being the son of the wicked one. Totallity of circumstaces.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:49 am
High plains drifter. If we fail to address the supernatural, and odd events, and discern how it applys in relation to the scriptures, were going to miss alot.
I have seen UFO’s before, and they were not man made. I assure you. This does not weaken my faith in the scriptures, but strengthens it. I also believe in Sasquatch, and so do most main stream scientists now.
I’m just saying, that if we maintain a close minded and dogmatic fundamental viewpoint, we close ourselves off to further learning and truth.
People probably laughed at the Wright brothers too. But now it’s a billion dollar industry.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:51 am
There was a reason he said ‘Turn the other cheek!’. Also when asked ‘How many times must I let my brother sin against me? Seven times? And he answered ‘ I tell you not seven , but up to seventy times!’. And again ‘My Kingdom is not of this world! If it was , I WOULD FIGHT FOR IT , but as it is , it is not from this world!’. So it seems to me many have been confused by what exactly Jesus taught. Remember , Steven was stoned to death for a verbal assault on the jews. HE DID NOT FIGHT BACK , NOR DID THE DICIPLES AFTERWARDS!!!! When Jesus spoke of Rome coming and crushing Jerusalem , he instructed those paying attention to flee to the hills when they recognized the signs. Seperate yourselves from the discusting thing , not sit and fight in it’s face!!! So , yes , I’ll sit and watch them sin until I’m dead. See , when my breath of life goes back to Jehovah , my soul , and I stand before Jesus to be judged , I’ll never have to answer to this……’Did you take any human life?’ and sound like an idiot by answering ‘Well , I didn’t have a choice (complete lie)’ or , ‘I didn’t know’ or ‘I saw you weren’t coming and took it upon myself ( like King Saul who lost the Kingship from being hardhearted and presumptuous)’ or any other idiotic excuse I can grab. The choice was and is mine as to whether I sink to the level of murderers and fear mongers and grab something to fight , or stay with my morals and die for humanity. Some should go back and read the account about Jeramiah and another prophet being threatened. Jehovah told both prophets not to worry , he would protect them. The other prophet grew fearful and ran to Egypt for protection. He was caught in Egypt , turned over to the powers back home , and died for his lack of faith. Jeremiah was spared his life , while at the same time being shown that though he thought he was the only one left , 70 prophets not bowing to BAAL were saved in a cave , and therefore Jeremiah was NOT ALONE. You can have faith in God and a gun at the same time. Doesn’T work. Bye the way , this is luggnutz , but when I use that name , hackers block my comments , must have really pissed someone off. Got ta love that!!!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am
I have’nt seen any new age religious stuff, what I am doing, in the messianic community is returing the scriptures to the originol source and resotre the Name of the creator, we are removing all the trash that various individuals and kings and those that hate the Almighty and his inspired word which is proving true every day, this brings honor and glory to Him, it is a matter of reverance and love and better yet, it is rebellion to the enemy in not following his whore church and counterfeit teachings, know it,learn it, live it…whoah!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am
And I meant to say you can’t claim faith in god while hugging something created for the soul purpose of killing , namely a gun!!!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Barbar, thanks for telling us who you are. We know and luv our Lug! I appreciate your posting too. It is interesting to consider both points of view. I will take up arms if god impresses me to do that. So far he has not. But that is not to say he will not in the future. I know I shall receive the information as needed. God is faithful.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am
“for the people, by the people and of the people”. That clearly means THEY SERVE US. They are elected to DO OUR BIDDING.
But all that is gone, are Gov. has been under control of the NWO for many years now, ( so has the rest of the world ) are polatitions have been bought off ( there just whors) and /or put under pressure by the powers that be ( NWO). The want to keep there jobs and be on the inside so they will not have to take the mess and be under control that the regular people will be subject to soon !!!
Remember the Gov. is and has been building VERY large underground cities for a long time, with are Tax dollars………With every thing they will need for a long seage if nesasary, for the protection of the few. When the s--- hits the fan you wont be alowed in !!!! Do a web search on that if you need to know more
PLEASE …..check it out “Alan Watt’s web site ” http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/
March 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Fred. I have to beg to differ here. Genesis 4:1 is implicintly clear.
“And Adam knew his wife; and she concieved, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.”
Clearly, Adam was Cains father. And why would God attempt to reason with Cain, if there was no hope for Cain? 4:7
The truth is even Gods children do bad things sometimes. That’s why we are all called sinners.
The “sowing” of the devils seed, is usually a spiritual sowing. But I do believe strongly also that there are Satanic bloodlines. Where they come from? Well, we are still unravelling that mystery.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Thank you Somebody for cutting and pasting a portion of my chat in reference to Alan Watts. As I stated before, most of us are familiar with him. But for those who are not, we appreciate that reference.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Barbar, there is a seaon for love and a season for war, the scriptures covers a wide variety of subjects and topics, mostly, love and war, is he a liar? Did’nt our savior say he came here not to do away with a jot or a title? He came here to do away with the lying abominations of the talmud, the pharisees traditional law, he did not do away with the Torah, why did he tell you to buy a sword and yu refuse? He tells us to be his battle axe and to subdue, vanquish, destroy the enemy, the wicked ones, What he said was in Exodus is, Do no miurder, killing someone trying to murder your family is not the same thing, he even tells us that if a thief comes in the night, we shoud kill him, but if he comes in the day, not to kill him becvause that would be murder, that’s a concise paraphrase of Exodus 22:2-3
March 20th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
O.K. Gabe, we will have to agree to disagree, I gotta go.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Gabriel, we certainly are working on the unravelling of that “seeding”. Many of us might be prone to investigate the alien race of giants being bred to women of earth causing the breech of DNA and the “fall” from grace of humankind. Many folks are afraid to tread in that area, and yet those of us who might have some familiarity with UFO’s in THIS lifetime, are more open to the VAST possibilities of what might have transpired to corrupt the creation here on terra.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
For the love of God, I will light up whoever tries to steal my food, water, anmo. I have compashion for those who need, but for the one who steals? Light’em up.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
LOL Hornet, thank you for that comic relief! None of us will linger in deteriorating flesh that much longer anyway now will we?! But thanx for the laugh.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
so let me get this strait ……I should give up my gun and not own any because why? because i should turn the other cheek? should i not be able to protect my family? are you saying god dose not want me to own a gun? or as the 10 C’s say thou shal not commit murder . what hills should i run to? and when cornered should i then commit sucide and kill my family ? like at masada? please explain.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Happy to make your day.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Oh, and one other thing about the bible and the sacred texts. I believe much of them have been EDITED by one church faction or another over time. It was just in the 1940’s that all the vast texts called the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. We all want to think we have total access to knowledge, but it may become amusing in the future to see ALL THAT WAS KEPT FROM US. We all think we are so smart. But yet, blessed are the meek, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Lord means Ba’al look it up.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
religions are something created by man, The word religion comes from the word “religio” which means “bondage of the spirit”
have a relationship with god instead, instead of being in bondage to man
March 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I’d be worried if I was them with their underground bull. Rev.14:18-19 ‘And still another angel emerged from the alter and he had authority over the fire. And he called out with a loud voice to the one that had the sharp sickle , saying:’Put your sharp sickle in and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth , because it’s grapes have become ripe.’And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth , and hurled it into the great winepress of the anger of God.’ These clowns think they can hide from his power. This is THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE , not the creator of the chip clip! He can create and destroy at will , and yet we are still alive , as disappointing a creation as we are! Then some say he has no love. If ANYONE of us was up there , watching what we are doing to each other and the planet , we’d have scrapped everything in one judgement and start all over. He lets us live , as useless and disappointing as we are , cause he has faith in us and what he created. And we can’t even return that , the same faith he puts in us , we can’t give back to him. Sad. But as for these underground faithers , they got a suprise coming. Hide yourself in the rock , even down in there HE’LL COME FIND YOU!!!!! He’ll pull you out and expose you for what you are. No where to run no where to hide. Jehovah made this planet and you think you’re smarter than him??? I sure wouldn’t want to be any of you , hiding in my corner , under some miles of dirt , waiting for judgment from above.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Good point Jason!
Watcher, yo9u’re right on tghe texts being fooled with, we only have so much, but, what we have is being largely confirmed by research and physical findings, what we do is use the best evidence rule, that is, go back to the most origonal documant, I know you have a good heart and testimony, but there is more to the scriptures, some are salvations issues, others are not.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
agreed, face the fire with faith, well said barbar.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
L O R D
L = life
OR = or
D = death
March 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Watcher, The Dead Sea Scrolls are a virtual identical match to the KJV Bible. The truth has been on the coffee table the whole time. God is not so callous as to leave us in a pit of lies without a lifeline. The KJV Bibles accuracy has been proven over and over again. Even Jesus confirmed that the gospel would be preached unto the ends of the earth, for all to hear that want too.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Good call Fred. “Not one jot or tittle”. Very important. We may disagree on a few things, but remember I am of course your friend and ally. And I don’t pretend to know everything either, i’m still learning. And yes, it’s possible Eve slept with Satan. I just find it unlikely, as I believe the KJV accurate, because it matches the dead sea scrolls, and it extols such truth and good virtues that my own conscience verifies it’s accuracy.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Gabriel, I was not intimating that the Dead Sea Scrolls invalidated anything in the bible. What I AM SAYING is that there is more to the bible than we have been allowed to see. I know as a child we were taught that “not one word shall be added nor taken away from this word”. HOWEVER, that was after the catholic church placed many of the texts in the basement of the vatican. Those texts were exempt. Martin Luther railed about that. That was part of the “Protest”ant revolution. The hiding of the texts. And irregardless of any of that……god speaks to each one of us even now. There are codes within all of us. Those codes shall be activiated upon god’s command. THE BOOK OF OUR LIVES IS OUR OWN CREATION ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD. That god can effect further instruction at will. I believe we will all see and know more at the appropriate moment.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
its not the good book that has changed so much, its the words we use and their context and meaning that have changed.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
gabriel, i thik the meaning of that line, is metaphysical in nature, and applying it “thou shall not remove or replace one word of..etc” means that the words are mathematicaly set, in spell form. That the prophecy, is a spell or curse. Could it have been dictated by a God, who is not one, but bent on our destruction, perhaps a telepathic alien?
March 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
i dont believe that God spoke to anyone, other than people putting similar experience onto the same template, known as God. trying to define it through the metaphore they were living out via religion, same with anything really, conciousness is tricky buisness.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
i generally don’t care to debate religion i am not well versed enough to quote scripture allthough i am a beliver of sorts and very faithful. an the following story is intended as an attack on any bodys faith or beleifs merly a true story to ponder this happened this year at a local church and i will appriciate any and all comments good or bad OK here it goes
a local busnies man of strong faith owned a carpet and tile busniess in my small comunity of 15,000 ppl mostly catholic he donated some expensive tile $10,000 worth ,left over from a big job ,to his local church building. then donating many hours after work and on weekends of his time and a few employies time which he paid them for. a few weeks later , after the job was finished, he was aproached by the preist who then said “hey bob ( not his real name ) thanx for doing such a wonderful job with the tile but i’v noticed you haven’t been puting as much money in the colection basket latley let us not forget your duty to the church” am i the only person who see’s this as strange? so soon after all the effort on Bobs part.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
sorry if all this was off subject
March 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
there was supposed to be a “not an attack on” oops
March 20th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Gabriel, I use the Hebrew which isn’t alot differant than your KJV exept is some select words and the names, My Pastor uses the KJV because it goes along with the concordance, we go through it word by word and number by number, If you want, you can listen Fri nights at about 7.00 and Sat night at about 6.00 Search paltalk rooms religion-christian then manna from heaven, the time we come on varies.
Again, I have a brother in Law that went to seminary, pastor college, He told us they are taught to teach at a 3rd grade level, all churches, at your run of the mill churches, that is all you are ever going to learn, there is so much more and it is beautiful.
March 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Jason, Bob,needs to depart that greedy snapperheads “church” and find a teacher who is fixated on the truth rather than his finances, If I were “Bob,” I would’ve departed immediately.
Yes, this is off topic, I do not start these religious tangents unless or untill someone spews injaccuracies regaurding the things of the Father and or gun control type communist propaganda and “they” usuallty combine the two, I will not allow lies to be spread without challenge, I will not allow people to spread sovietized indoctrination about the scriptures because stupidity is contagious, that is, if inaccuarcies and lies etc., are allowed to go unchallenged, then they become and remain truth in the minds of the masses that regurgitate them,”this is the underlying principle of mein kampf, to repeat something until it becomes truth,” my goal is to reverse this dilemma and represent and introduce the long lost truth to whoever will listen.
Veritas!
March 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
openyoureyes
said” Try one night hiding in the woods. Think about it? No warm bed , no food supply , no toilet. Guns and ammo are also heavy. You better be fit and not care about eating much.”
I don’t know what you do with your weekends but you should really get out into the woods more…you’re talking about a normal run of the mill fun weekend around here. ,Include in a little time at the range….. Cowboy up it aint all that bad ( Egads No toilet! grow a pair dude.)
March 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
That was good Jonas, it amazes me all those homeless types don’t take to the woods and pioneer like the old days, we love it, Every time we go, I don’t want to come home, Being in the treeline with no bills, in touch with nature and the Almightys creation, outstanding.
We do rope work, learn traps, day and night nav., all kinds of phun stuff.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:17 am
hey guys f--- it , let the dead bury the dead. get your s--- together and move away from big cities and illegal’s.
i mean imagine a family of illegals breaking into ur home for food. him and his 5 sons vs u and ur dad kid mom sister? f--- that load up!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am
Load up and go where numb nuts??? Where are you running to? I think you are forgetting why Europeans migrated to the Americas in the first place. There is no where else left to run to. The last place left to run is where you are right now, in America you idiot. Why do you think all the immigrants and your ancestors migrate here? Because they are to pussy to get control of their government just like you! Nobody wants to be the sacrificial lamb which is why we are financial slaves to the Rockefellers, the Rothschild’s and all their little minions. It will only get worse, so get use to it.
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March 21st, 2008 at 4:17 am
hey guys f--- it , let the dead bury the dead. get your s--- together and move away from big cities and illegal’s.
i mean imagine a family of illegals breaking into ur home for food. him and his 5 sons vs u and ur dad kid mom sister? f--- that load up!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am
That sure is some good english deadstorm, makes the patriot movement look real good to the scum that’s watching and the undecided unwashed trying to decide which side of the fence to jump off to.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:01 am
Patriotism leads to nationalism, which was what Hitlers’ regime was, a hysterical wave of nationalism. The problem we face now is not whether to fight or not, it is when we DO fight, and im sure we will, what will our ultimate fate be, if said fight is won? The same thing. Maybe not in the near future, but the remains of the day will be just that, remains. It takes no brilliance to look at the past and see this kind of nonsense has happened before. We won’t remember, because we’re human, and humanity has a hard time remembering things like this. BUT: that does not mean we SHOULD’T fight. to the contrary, in fact. We must, and we must win. Seems a little bass-ackwards, I know, but here’s why: Because, maybe, just maybe, someone somewhere in an unknown future will wake up one day and realize they have it good because of us in the past; because for once, somehow, someone learned somewhere along the way, how to be a decent, upstanding human with REAL morals, and REAL common sense, and that one individual passed it along, and finally… finally… FINALLY, it stuck. People will finally get it. I hope. Someday. That day is not today, but I will fight for that future human being because I have my human hopes of that happening. Had i not fought, against all odds, then what’s the point of living? Go trudging along? Pfah. Until we learn to truly love and to truly trust, we’ll be of no use to anyone or anything. An organism that wars with itself is doomed. But to get there, to get to that place, I feel we will fight, will war, and will prevail. Because we are many, and they are few. We aren’t complacent in our positions in life, they are. We will see. And may the future take notice this time.. but if the future may not see us for what we are, maybe they will in the next life.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
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