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NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under guise of humanitarian aid
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Pravda
August 27, 2008
NATO has been increasing its naval presence in the Black Sea during the recent several days.
“The US Navy destroyer USS McFaul, which is currently docked in the Georgian port of Batumi, carries about 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles on board. They are outfitted with nuclear warheads and are meant to hit ground targets. The remaining NATO ships are currently concentrated in the northern part of the Black Sea,” a source in the military intelligence of the Russian Federation said.
He added that other NATO ships drifting in the Black Sea were armed with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and about eight helicopters.
Washington insists that the ships, which appeared near Georgia’s shores, have been deployed there in accordance with George W. Bush’s decision, who ordered to deliver humanitarian aid to the Georgian military. Other NATO warships – Germany’s Luebeck, Spain’s Adm. Juan de Bourbon and Poland’s General K. Pulaski arrived to the shores of Bulgaria and Romania to participate in the military exercise that was scheduled along ago and has nothing to do with the conflict in Georgia.
“It is strange that such a large group of NATO warships has arrived for a joint exercise with Bulgaria or Romania. Usually, only one or two warships participate in such exercises, so the attempts to substantiate the presence of the naval group with a military exercise does not withstand any criticism,” the source said.
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“It is clear that all statements made by the political and defense administration of NATO members are accompanied with outspoken militarist demarches. The use of nuclear weapons by NATO ships in the Black Sea is out of the question. The conventional weapons, which the NATO naval group has in the region, are more than enough to achieve any defense goals, which can be exemplified with Yugoslavia,” the source said.
The port of Batumi is the only port, which US warships can access on the Georgian territory. The port of Poti, which is larger and more convenient, remains under the control of Russia’s troops.
Russia’s President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Al-Jazeera in Sochi that Russia’s recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia had only one goal – to help the people living in the two republics.
“There are no other motives in our actions,” Medvedev said answering the question about Russia’s possible intention to destabilize the government of Mikhail Saakashvili and change the political regime in the country, RIA Novosti reports.
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August 27th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
yikes…
were going to war.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
So here is the Neocons delivering weapons of mass destruction to Georgia to fight Russia under the guise of “humanitarian aid”. Typical for those slimeball Nazis. America better wake up quick and take her country back!
August 27th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
go russia teach em a lesson
August 27th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I believe that the majority of people in countries where the media portrays russia as the bad guys in this are in support of russia big time. No doubt about it even with the propaganda all over the place. I would like to see how many will go to war with russia if it came to one. I certainly would not and I am on the side of the russians on this one. I dont agree with their action 100% either but I know who started this shit and I know what all this is about.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Is there any way to do an intervention with the “Reign of Christ” bozos? Better yet,can anyone get them to listen to Frank Zappa’s album “Broadway the Hard Way” which includes the song written about them called “Jesus Thinks You’re a Jerk”? How about we send them 144,000 cans of Spam and hope it helps.Victor Lord,will you please shut up!!! Or we’ll send a Catholic priest over to babysit your sons.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
GOOD STUFF LARGE WILLIE.
Even if this is extremely serious,I am still laughing.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Vengeance is mine, sayest The Lord.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
…could this be the beginning of WW3, or something bigger??….smh..Georgia will fall if this gets outta control, but hey, they did start this so now they gotta pay for it.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
For Post 1. How can you believe in all that bullshit when anyone with a brain knows that al the mainstream religions are cratedd by the Illmanati to control the people and use the tactic of divide and rule.
But there are many like you, so keep praying to your imaginary friend, talk to your invisable friend and how that he will put his foot up your ass and wake you up along with all the other faithful.
Come on folks, all those little bible specials with the folks who state they have evidence as to Jesus’s and all the other bible heros are paid by the church to feed you shit. There is not one scrap of truth, people are only goin on faith and what they were brainwashed to believe, how did you learn of all this stuff, most likely you were raised in it, or were at such a low point that anyting sounded good.
good luck with your imaginary friends angls or what ever you want to call them. Hell why not watch beneath the planet of the apes, and when all is said and doe you can create a religion that worships the great bomb.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
I just watched the live coverage of the convention including the Biden speech. The speech was pure bullshit, no surprises there. What stood out most to me was the delegates. These people almost all looked like they were on drugs or something. No one seemed to have both oars in the water. The common trait looked to be glazed over eyes rather like cattle. I think they must have been chosen for these specific traits so there would be no surprises at the convention. The candidates and their families and the other dignitaries seemed by comparison to have bright shiny eyes and looked very energetic. It was like looking at two very similar species, with very different destinies. One species to rule and the other to serve. These are my observations. Anyone else see what I see?
Have a nice day pilgrims.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Very briefly while driving I switched to the convention on XM C-SPAN channel. It was pretty early. I heard some clod reading so slowly off the teleprompter I could not believe it. He would stop and then the audience responded back with a chant and applaud like human seals. It sounded like he was reading to the learning impaired in Second Grade. I also heard a little bit of the Hillary endorsement of Obama Tuesday night, and she was pulling a classic Yalie Law School trick. She was reading slooowly and methodically like a person who has been held hostage and forced to read a prepared statement. Clearly she was signaling she was doing it out of necessity nor sincerity. I could not stand listening to people in what I call “The Alternative Universe”. I went over to a friend’s place and had to knock back a good number of Coors and watch ESPN. The Convention goers look like they are in a Voodoo trance.
Bob you made me laugh wild…”glazed over eyes rather like cattle… while the candidates and their families have bright shiny eyes and look very energetic” That is freakin hilarious. Pilgrim
August 27th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Damn I wonder if this is Bush’s move to stay in office as well…been wondering if that fool was gonna have something happen before November so he could pull 3rd term because of a war
August 27th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Lots of firepower amassed in the cryptosphere of delivering “humanitarian aid” only. We have so many ships there, more than the deployment prior to Iraq. Nuclear tensions. Remember the story about the guys who fell asleep at the control board for the nukes? Well they completely scrambled those codes to something new. Now do y’all feel better? Meanwhile we have three simultaneous Tom Clancy novels being played out. Russians are very suspicious and the war rooms are surveilling this farce. Warmth is just a button away. Play nice.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:12 am
My dear God…what are they doing….?
This is surreal and shows that Bush/Cheney are unquestionably off thier collective trolly…
Our government is run by fucking Madmen !!!!!
If this article is true then our executive branch is now completely out-of-control….and should be shut down…immediately
The US Admirals should refuse any further commands from these loons under Article 1 of the
US Constitution…and return to port of origin….
I am praying loudly that we make it to Labor Day….
August 28th, 2008 at 12:56 am
God have mercy on the innocent!
August 28th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Duck and cover!
August 28th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Yet, our people sleep, in a spell, glazed over by the “news” that Mr. Obahama will be the Democratic nominee.
Sleep fools, sleep, this chess game does not include you, you are not even aware of the game, much less a part of it.
The reduction of the eaters has begun and will be in full swing soon. Sleep fools, sleep.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:08 am
I found a very interesting article on the Russians performance in war in Georgia. It would appear that the Russians command not only the battlefield but also the respect of military annalist here in the US. Sorry its rather long but worth the read.
Russians Melded Old-School Blitz With Modern Military Tactics
By THOM SHANKER
WASHINGTON — Russia’s victorious military blitz into the former Soviet republic of Georgiabrought something old and something new — but none of it was impromptu, despite appearances that a long-frozen conflict had suddenly turned hot.
The Russian military borrowed a page from classic Soviet-era doctrine: Moscow’s commanders sent an absolutely overwhelming force into Georgia. It was never going to be an even fight, and the outcome was predictable, if not preordained.
At the same time, the Russian military picked up what is new from the latest in military thinking, including American military writings about the art of war, replete with the hard-learned lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan.
So along with the old-school onslaught of infantry, armor and artillery, Russia mounted joint air and naval operations, appeared to launch simultaneous cyberattacks on Georgian government Web sites and had its best English speakers at the ready to make Moscow’s case in television appearances.
If the rapidly unfolding events caught much of the world off guard, that kind of coordination of the old and the new did not look accidental to military professionals.
“They seem to have harnessed all their instruments of national power — military, diplomatic, information — in a very disciplined way,” said one Pentagon official, who like others interviewed for this article disclosed details of the operation under ground rules that called for anonymity. “It appears this was well thought out and planned in advance, and suggests a level of coordination in the Russian government between the military and the other civilian agencies and departments that we are striving for today.”
In fact, Pentagon and military officials say Russia held a major ground exercise in July just north of Georgia’s border, called Caucasus 2008, that played out a chain of events like the one carried out over recent days.
“This exercise was exactly what they executed in Georgia just a few weeks later,” said Dale Herspring, an expert on Russian military affairs at Kansas State University. “This exercise was a complete dress rehearsal.”
Russian commentators have countered that more than 1,000 American military personnel were in Georgia for an exercise last month. But that exercise focused on counterinsurgency operations to prepare a Georgian brigade for duty in Iraq, a different mission from the seizing of territory or denying an aggressor a new stake on the land.
Even as the Russian military succeeded at its most obvious objectives — taking control of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, humiliating the Georgian government and crippling army and police units — serious shortcomings on the Russian side were revealed, Pentagon and military officials said.
To the surprise of American military officers, an impaired Georgian air-defense system was able to down at least six Russian jets. The Sukhoi-25, an aging ground attack plane, appeared to be the most vulnerable.
Georgia never has fielded an integrated, nationwide air defense system, and those ground-to-air weapons that survived early Russian shelling operated without any central control — and some without battle-command radars, as they were destroyed by Russian strikes.
That they bloodied the Russian air wing was taken as a clear sign of poor aircraft maintenance, poor piloting skills — or, most likely, years of insufficient funds for adequate flight training.
Russian-language news media and unofficial national security Web sites in Moscow, which since the days of the disastrous Soviet foray into Afghanistan have developed a skeptical independent streak, also noted other shortcomings.
A Russian general in command of the 58th Army was wounded in the leg when he led a column of 30 armored vehicles toward the capital of South Ossetia, apparently without sufficient intelligence from scouts on the ground or surveillance aircraft overhead to know a Georgian ambush was waiting.
The Russians also suffered losses as they came through the Roki Tunnel, which connects South Ossetia to the neighboring region of North Ossetia in Russia proper. Russian national security analysts said there was no air cover to protect Moscow’s forces in their first minutes outside the safety of the mountain tunnel.
Despite these failings, the Russian military was able to coordinate infantry advances with movement of airborne troops, simultaneously with the deployment of armor and artillery.
Russian warships moved off the coast of Georgia, and Russian Special Operations forces infiltrated into Georgia through Abkhazia, according to Pentagon and military officials.
“This was not the Russian Army from the humiliation of Afghanistan, and it’s not the Russian military that had to flatten Chechnya to save it,” said one Pentagon official knowledgeable of how the fighting unfolded. Another said: “The Russian military is back. They are to be contended with.”
Despite a recent increase in Russian long-range bomber flights along old, cold war routes near United States airspace, the offensive into Georgia gave little indication of a renewed capacity or renewed interest in global projection of power by the Russians.
But Moscow’s military is wholly capable of pressing the Kremlin’s designs on hegemony over the formerly Communist states along the border that Russian leaders call “the near abroad.”
Russia prepared the battlefield in the months leading up to the outbreak of fighting.
In April, Russia reinforced its peacekeeping force in Abkhazia with advanced artillery, and in May it sent construction troops to fix a railroad line linking that area with Russia.
Georgia’s overmatched army of about 30,000 was able to field four combat brigades of about 3,300 soldiers each.
At the start of the fighting, the Georgian Army’s First Brigade was in Iraq, and was airlifted home aboard American aircraft — but without their war-fighting gear. The Fourth Brigade was in training for the next rotation to Iraq. The Second and Third Brigades were in western Georgia, closer to Abkhazia than to South Ossetia, where the fighting started.
The American military training for the Georgian troops has been described as involving counterterrorism for domestic security and counterinsurgency for the Iraq mission, with little emphasis on taking ground, holding ground or defending against invasion.
Against the Russians, Georgian command and control withered quickly, and army and police units were operating on their own, often at cross purposes or overlapping missions.
Although the Georgians had been taught that speed of operations brings a mass all its own to the battlefield, and that improving accuracy in firepower brings a mass all its own, the lesson of the conflict is that, in some cases, mass has a mass all its own.
Russia easily smothered the smaller Georgian force.
Have a nice day pilgrims.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Wheres the part that says weapons are being delivered? Am I the only one who thinks the title is a little out of sync with the substance. Shit, our detractors call us fringe already no reason to give them more excuses to label us as so.
August 28th, 2008 at 2:26 am
#20, you are quite right.
This is why Pravda is still not a reputable source of information. It has no journalistic credibility (if that is not a contradiction in terms).
It was a mouthpiece for Communist propaganda in the bad, old days of Cold War I, and even today it is good for little else than fishwrap.
Citing Pravda regularly does little to help th credibility of an otherwise excellent source of information as ithe nfowars/prison planet websites.
August 28th, 2008 at 3:49 am
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August 28th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Humanitarian aid delivered by military ships armed with nuclear armed weapons or even cruise missiles?? Ha, Ha, Ha, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Hey, anybody out there want to buy a bridge? Russia, don’t let them get a foothold. How ’bout war crimes trial for Sashi?
August 28th, 2008 at 3:59 am
This cite doesn’t want comments on their history. It’s cencorship. They want people to walk in the dark… Nothing better than CNN
August 28th, 2008 at 4:35 am
I think Bush and Cheneys daily testosterone shots have turned them into dogs. They are trying to spread the scent of their urine all over the damn world, peeing on this country and that country. Bush/Cheney peed on S. Ossetia, Russia peed on Georgia, now Bush/Cheney have to go cover their scent again. Pure animalistic behavior is my point.
August 28th, 2008 at 4:56 am
IF YOU HAVE A LEADER EAGER FOR WAR….YOU OFTEN GET ACCIDENTAL OR INTENTIONAL WAR
August 28th, 2008 at 4:59 am
I noticed that the last ship, had a Huey on board. That was not a black hawk, and so that must have not been ours’. We use Hueys in the guards still and sometimes the marines use them still. So with that said, makes u wonder “WHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT UUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP” Ol’ Football comerical LOL LOL LOL
August 28th, 2008 at 5:08 am
The US military have informed Bush and Cheney “we will NOT go to war”. That is your Provost
Marshall ( the REAL Commander In Chief) speaking. Go to http://worldreports.org/
August 28th, 2008 at 5:14 am
Hey people,
PRAVDA.ru is NOT a Communist website. As far as I understand, it was only very initially the website for the still existing (but very small) political party newspaper PRAVDA. PRAVDA.ru has a mostly Russian nationalist line and is largely supportive of Putin and State policy, though in the late 90s it was critical of Yeltsin.
Any, ANY link you read off infowars.com has its own political line…there is nothing especially wrong with citing pravda.ru , particularly in relation to events concerning NATO military actions in East Europe and the Caucausus, where you KNOW you cannot get the full story from US sources.
Even if it were Communist, I would not see the problem. I know some of you posters think that Communists are stooges of world bankers or world Jewry or blah blah blah, but in fact the Communist Party of Russian Federation is left-nationalist, probably the foremost opponent of NWO in Russia, and is largely socially conservative and pro-Orthodox Church. The cosmopolitan Left abandoned the communists long ago. They reformed as social-democrats and social-liberals and believe in mega-financial capitalism and globalisation. They were never communists, just opportunists. Those who remain in the CP everywhere outside China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Moldova, and West Bengal do not have a particularly high position in society.
August 28th, 2008 at 5:14 am
President Medved has already stated that any delivery of military equipment to georgia will be seen as a declaration of war on Russia by NATO.
So, if true, Russia will take this as an act of war.
Good job dumbo Bush, and NWO clowns.
13*
August 28th, 2008 at 5:19 am
To be more clear on top of what I said in #29, I am saying PRAVDA.ru separated from the political party newspaper PRAVDA, organ of the KPRF (communist party of the russian federation), though it retained a broadly left-nationalist line. After Putin consolidated power, the website moved towards pro-State articles, *including criticism of the communist party*.
It has been well known for years, however, to the American anti-globalisation crowd, which cited many of its articles starting, as far as I know, during the Kosovo war in 1999. They also at least used to republish paleoconservatives like Pat Buchanan, who are largely friendly to Russia.
So if you find citing them controversial, I would assume you are out of the loop a bit.
August 28th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Alex Jones, if you believe you are correct, you won’t need to publish misleading crap like this.
Shock horror, military ships have weapons on, but according to the article, none are being delivered to Georgia, as the headline suggests.
Not everything the west does is bad.
How come no articles about how the Russians are still in Gori, which is far outside of the seperatist zones?
August 28th, 2008 at 6:04 am
of course the Bible has been twisted and perverted by evil and its holy days made to fit the evil ones. but there is a god of goodness I have had many experiences in my life that god has showed himself to be very real.don’t throw god out of your life because of brainwashed people. evil has had its way on earth for a very long time when evil comes to you and presents it self as good reject it just as you are doing now. do not throw god out of the picture
August 28th, 2008 at 6:57 am
#19 This is the first I’ve heard of Russian planes being shot down. Can you provide documentation of this claim? Also, while I *suspect* the US is there on a military and not a humanitarian mission, I still don’t see the evidence in this article of US weapons. Just that a Russian military guy “suspects” thats why the US is there. Well of course that is true, but I’m not convinced they were actually caught unloading weapons to Georgian soil or anything.
August 28th, 2008 at 7:48 am
HELL I SAID THAT VERY SAME THING, THEY ARE NOT BRINGING AID, BUT WEAPONS. I SAID THIS A WEEK OR SO AGO.
August 28th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Dutch newsmedia reported about weapons last week so this is not new.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:04 am
this is new to us!–Who listens to Dutch News?
August 28th, 2008 at 9:08 am
To really find out what’s going down— you’ll have to get inside the Vatican–they are behind it all.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:24 am
SCOOBY DOO #32…..WE ARE DELIVERING HUMANITARION AID WITH……..WARSHIPS…….YOU DIPSHIT. IF YOU BELEIVE THAT ONE I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU!!! SASHKAVILLI ALSO VOWED TO STRIKE AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE IS WAITING FOR….HIS WHEATIES….SHIPMENT.
WE JUST GOT DONE WITH JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES WITH GEORGIA WHEN THIS CONFRONTATION STARTED. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN ARMING AND TRAINING THE GEORGIANS SO I GUESS NOW WE HAVE PROPHETS IN WASHINGTON THAT KNEW RUSSIA WAS GONNA ATTACK GEORGIA AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARMED AND TRAINED THEM….RIGHT……ANOTHER SUCKER…
August 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
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August 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Linda # 28 , Interesting site, will have to read more of the articles there. Offers a explanation to why mines appeared on such a important railway, when the tracks would have been checked before shipments went down there after what took place in the country.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am
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August 28th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Totally uncalled for; I’m sooooo tired of this BS. Escalating to War on a boldfaced Lie … again.
“Humanitarian” Aid my @ss. Learn well from this example: this is exactly how they do BAD with GOOD.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:58 am
#39 – Pull your head out of your ass for a minute, and look at the real world:
1. The total amount of arms delivered to Georgia by the U.S. to date is some 1,300 assault rifles – NO tanks, NO APC/IFV, NO ATGM, NO mines, NO artillery, NO SAM have been sent.
2. The number of Georgian troops trained by the U.S. in COUNTERINSURGENCY tactics amounts to about 4,000 combat troops – troops that were scheduled to rotate to Iraq to replace the units on station there.
3. U.S. Warships have been used for DECADES to deliver humanitarian aid. Look it up.
4. We are NOT delivering nuke-armed cruise missiles to Georgia. Anyone who buys that line is just a total fucking moron.
5. Pravda is about as reliable a source for accurate news as is the NYT (that is to say, not at all).
6. There’s NO WAY that Russia could have reacted in force in an organized fashion in less than 24 hours without having the units’ orders already issued, and the units on road march towards Georgia. If there’s a set-up here, Russian “peacekeepers” probably provoked incidents inside S. Ossetia and had units ready to roll at the drop of a hat.
7. Study some Russian history – there’s several hundred years of it to read through. Russians have ALWAYS – regardless of government or administration in power – been militaristic, paranoid, and xenophobic.
Having said that, there are no clean hands in this situation, and it WILL continue in a downward spiral to another World War.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
OldGrump:
Regarding your point #6, If you’ve read earlier reports the russians have observed the georgian maneuvers and preparations for the strike on ossetia in advance , and did their own maneuvers and preparations
only in radio-silence , that’s why their counterstrike was so unexpected. did they use homing pigeons?
August 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
OldGrump:
Again your point #6 , again you seem to have short attention span and forget that the georgian
ruler Sack’o’shitvili has admitted giving his soldiers orders to attack ossetia – there was no provocations by the russian peacekeepers.Sackoshitvilli took all the responsibility.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Stop NWO:
Apparently you either didn’t read or pay attention to reports of cross-border incursions and “incidents” by the Russian “peacekeeping” force into Georgia proper prior to the conflict (unsubstantiated, but reported). Also, you might want to talk with someone that knows and understands military operations as to how much prep time is necessary (excluding actual march time in transit) to get an attack force of overstrength regiment-size into march column to use a single road for operations, and the type of supply train necessary for even short combat operations.
Also, the Russian maneuvers were carried out prior to any Georgian “buildup” of troops – something that would take far less time for the Georgians to accomplish, as their bases were a mere few miles from the border with S. Ossetia – operations could be launched, including call-up of any reservists/off-duty personnel, within a few hours.
Like I said, there are no clean hands here. But S. Ossetia and Abkhazia are technically still part of Georgia and under legal Georgian jurisdiction and control, and there’s a direct involvement and invasion by a foreign power in what is an internal Georgian matter.
August 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Also, the 50 Tomahawks on the USS McFaul are NOT fitted with nuclear warheads – they are nuke CAPABLE, and can’t be armed with nukes except via direct command from the theater commander or the president (who would presumably have issued the order through the theater commander). Even then, the captain can legally refuse the order if he does not believe the situation warrants use of nuclear weapons, or the use of them violates his conscience.
August 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
http://infowarschat.com
August 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
No kidding? Since when are the forces that control the US government humanitarian?
August 28th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I think the NEO-CON-victs have tripped over the psychological precipice into madness and desperation. They have created an irriversible, destructive economic, political and social vortex in America (which has engulfed all other nations as well) and they do not know how to get it under control. This may have been ‘part’ of their agenda, but I do not think it ‘was’ the entire plan. Not to this degree this swiftly, and along with the fact that many have been awakened to their evilness. Now, their left with the only option seen through the lens of madness, which is suicide. My prediction is they are going to attack Iran, first (before the elections, especially if it looks like McCain won’t win. Though in the long run it doesn’t matter.) Then, some kind of false-flag will be commited via-Georgia or some where in that region, and that will pull Russia into the fray. Either way these rabid-mad dogs seem hell bent on global suicide in lieu of global control.
August 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
WHEN PEOPLE ARE SO POWER MAD, THEY ARE NEVER SANE. I ASK YOU, DO THEY LOOK SANE? WHEN CREATURES ARE SO DETERMINED TO GET POWER BY ANY MEANS, THEY DON’T SEE FAILURE AS AN OPTION–REMEMBER THEIR HERO HITLER, WENT INTO HIS BUNKER AND COMMITTED SUICIDE WITH HIS CHOSEN FEW–AT LEAST THE ONES HE COULD GET TO GO IN WITH HIM! IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THEY DID THAT, BUT THESE WILL TAKE US ALL WITH THEM, OUT OF SHEER SPITE AND EVIL! HOWEVER, THESE NEO-CONS (NWO) ARE FAR FROM BEATEN, AND ALL THE TIME THAT THE DRUNKEN MORON YELTSIN WAS A PUPPET OF THEIRS, GAVE THEM A HUGE BOOST OF EXTRA POWER. THANK GOD RUSSIAS’ WOKEN UP AND KICKED THEIR ARSES OUT AND REGAINED IT’S PRIDE. THEY HAVE BITTEN OFF MORE THAN THEY CAN CHEW–BUT THIS SCUM HAVE BIG MOUTHS!
August 28th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Old Grump, how long do you think it would take the theater commander or even Bush for that matter once the capt. said no to ask him to hand the phone to his second in command and order him to shoot the capt.? Automatic promotion to capt. for the executive officer and then the order would be repeated again. Repeat this scenario as many times as necessary. If you think those missiles wont be launched on orders you really know how the military operates in this day and age. Same as it ever was.
Have a nice day pilgrim.
August 28th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
#29, Thomas says:
Hey people,
PRAVDA.ru is NOT a Communist website. As far as I understand, it was only very initially the website for the still existing (but very small) political party newspaper PRAVDA. PRAVDA.ru has a mostly Russian nationalist line and is largely supportive of Putin and State policy, though in the late 90s it was critical of Yeltsin.
Any, ANY link you read off infowars.com has its own political line…there is nothing especially wrong with citing pravda.ru , particularly in relation to events concerning NATO military actions in East Europe and the Caucausus, where you KNOW you cannot get the full story from US sources.
Even if it were Communist, I would not see the problem. I know some of you posters think that Communists are stooges of world bankers or world Jewry or blah blah blah, but in fact the Communist Party of Russian Federation is left-nationalist, probably the foremost opponent of NWO in Russia, and is largely socially conservative and pro-Orthodox Church. The cosmopolitan Left abandoned the communists long ago. They reformed as social-democrats and social-liberals and believe in mega-financial capitalism and globalisation. They were never communists, just opportunists. Those who remain in the CP everywhere outside China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Moldova, and West Bengal do not have a particularly high position in society.
BUT, I NEVER SAID PRAVDA IS COMMUNIST NOW. THOSE ARE WORDS YOU PUT IN MY MOUTH. YOU ARE TWISTING WHAT I SAID.
WHAT I SAID IS THAT IT IS STILL NOT A CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE NOW. AND, FURTHERMORE YOU NEVER ADDRESSED THE FACT BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT THIS ARTICLE NEVER EVEN TALKS ABOUT ACTUAL WEAPONS BEING DELIVERED, THOUGH THE BYLINE CLEARLY STATES THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT. THIS IS SHODDY JOURNALISM AT BEST. AT IT’S WORST, THI SHOWS THAT PRAVDA IS STILL LIKELY A TOOL OF STATE POWER IN THE POST-COMMUNIST, BUT HARDLY DEMOCRATIC RUSSIAN “FEDERATION OF iNDEPENDENT STATES.”
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE AS GUILTY OF MANIPULATING THE TRUTH AS THE PROPAGANDA PROS.
AND BY THE WAY, “Hey, People” IS EXTREMELY EFFEMINATE, THOMAS.
August 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
They may box Russia in so much that it may give Russia no choice but to attack.
August 28th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
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Hey B*tchface (maybe you prefer that testosterone-filled address),
I was not addressing all points ever made on this posting, but it was implied that PRAVDA.ru was linked to the old newspaper of the Communist Party of hte Soviet Union. That is incorrect.
I am sure these journalists have zero hard proof that the warships were delivering military aid. Only military intelligence could prove that. But do you believe seriously that about ten armed warships in the Eastern Black Sea are there for humanitarian reasons? Are you that naif? Do you think Georgia needs that much aid for having a couple buildings roughed up in a small city like Gori?
Thomas
August 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Yes the plan is definitely to box Russia in and provoc an the nation to lash out.
However Russia has more sanction wise and politicaly to toss at the west than Washington has to impose on Russia! I really hope that the two breakaway fractions are recognized as free nations and that China backs Russia!
The hypocracy and lies of the west media and empire have to be challanged and revealed!
August 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
WJB
August 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
10 ships could have appeared there anytime…..but no! they have appeared now!! this sends one message to the world even though no politician will say otherwise……NATO & the US wants to show Russia who the boss is! LOL
Nuclear war would be the only conclusion…and the end of a long game for everyone including the elite….so what is their plan? to take us to the brink? or is it all one big pantomime?
August 28th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I also think the NWO did not see this one coming!
And how will they figure this into their plans?
They must be the biggest bunch of twats to have “ruled” the earth or what would be left of it after a nuclear war.
August 28th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
DBell,
Notwithstanding the intentions of the “New Pravda.ru”, I understand your reaction to the article, and now I have a similar reaction. The main difference is; this article upset me so much that I could not sleep last night. You are correct, as a story it is baseless and only misplaced conjecture and innuendo.
Because I have travelled to the russian -speaking world, and I understand that the Russians
WILL and are very capable of doing everything they say, unlike the methodical, and even effeminate, lying, weaseling and waffling, attacking creampuff Arab states with no real armies only a hodgepodge group of raghead militias,
Putin and his protege Med. have both become a very successful business magnates and are not required to have a “blind trust”. However, this beyond a business dispute with BP and Chevron now.
This is for the legacy of their Russian Empire, which in my view, Georgia, Ossettia and the north resort coastline is a part of thier territory and will never be relinquiished…NEVER….
why do we think otherwise?
If we are unloading arms they will occupy Georgia in 10 minutes. Period.
Ukraine is very different for many reasons.
I am still praying.
August 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Mike…it’s all about what they are gonna do over there and meanwhile a plague will kill us all off..this way there is nobody that can do anything about it. The criminals walk while we try to figure it out in the chaos.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
33. Well if you believe in that maybe the Easter Bunny will visit you, but I guess people have to believe in someting and have hope for some afterlife, or something along tose lines. sorry i have investigated all religions, see the same threads and know what it is all about. But if believing helps you through the day go for it, because all religions are made up, and believe me I am not brainwashed. I am so glad I was not raised with religion.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:19 am
#8 BOB,I though that religion was about forgivness.That explains why they are so many wars between different religions.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:08 am
Bob in Colorado,
Summarily executed? Highly doubtful, especially since the Captain would, at the very least, discuss options with his XO and/or other senior command staff prior to deciding – and that is IF the order is morally questionable and/or nonsensical to the personnel on the spot. Arrested and confined? Most probable. So, Bob, how many junior and/or ordinance personnel you gonna lock up for mutiny when they hear the captain has been arrested for making an informed decision NOT to commit mass murder without provocation? Who’s going to load those Tomahawks?
And thanks for the prior intelligent response – something sorely lacking around here sometimes.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:21 am
military confirmation of the forces at http://www.eucom.mil
August 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am
More propaganda B.S. George Bush couldn’t even spell the word humanitarian let alone know what it means.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I agree that everyone “says” we should do this and that. I am not going to be that guy anymore. I am an ex-army, poor American. But, the important thing is that I love my fellow man. I always have to fight for whats right. Usually I only defend homeless or people from others racist views. But, I realize that we can all do more. That’s what it took for us to establish this country. Like a skipping record that’s driving me crazy, I hear repeats of, “we should do something”. I hear repeats of children screaming and crying as their homes are being bombed, as they are being dug from the wreckage. I never seen war over seas in person. I am thankful as I probably would have lost my mind. I was and still am, a damned good soldier. I took an oath to defend this country and people in general for that matter. I meant it. If you ever spoke the pledge of allegiance, or prayed to God; then you took an oath too. I don’t know what people are scared of. How can anyone lay in bed at night knowing that men, women, and children are dying by the hand of our people at the very moment you lay to rest your eyes? We are only in need of coming together at some place. Hello? We are here. But coming together for a common cause is simple. We just have to use the brains that we are claiming to possess. One man is remembered today and always will be for standing up. Why are we focused on complaining of the politics involved with the media. We know of the corruption we know that our votes count for nothing. We know we lost our country to “the elite”. So why are we still talking about it? I have never claimed supreme intelligence. And I say start here and now. Forget yourself who can afford the internet, a car, a home and food. How many people of this world can’t?!!!! I have heard people say that there are too many problems to fix. I say hell no. We just need a place to start. If we bring our military home, and I mean all of them, we can start the beat of OUR drum. Start playing music for the people for a change. We could save plenty of money to get the ball rolling toward a new FUTURE FOR MAN KIND as opposed to NEW WORLD ORDER. If 30% of the world control 70% of wealth……..Ha I like those numbers. So, no, I am not near afraid. 70% voted against the war. 70% WILL stand. I am willing to do whatever I can. I was playing a game online and in two days found 100 people playing the same game on my team with very little effort. There is still hope. This is the tool that we need right here. All it takes is one to say, “I will fight for the peoples rights”, then there will be two, then there will be three, etc. I’ll bet if those limbless toddlers with bashed in skulls were looking you in the eye, you might find the guts. We can do something. First thing is come together. Our petty tiffs over who was right or wrong on a meaningless issue keeps our focus off of that baby bleeding to death and screaming in agony tonight, or that child that will not wake up in the morning because he exploded in his sleep. Close your eyes, and picture your sons and daughters in that position, then enjoy that warm bed tonight. I do it every day. I am not saying that I am any better than anyone else. I am only telling you that I am here. I am not kidding you. All you gotta do is understand that try is a small word, but neglect is an atom bomb. If you really want to do something. If you REALLY do want to make a change……………………………………………………………………………
esaiasdaddyloveshim@yahoo.com / esaiasdaddy@myspace.com
August 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
For all the attempts of portraying Putin as a dictator, I believe many Western thinkers underestimate the Russian sense of collectivism. This well concerted effort of foreign policy by many of the Russian officials has shown to me that Medvedev and Putin are the big boys in a system seemingly being a strange fusion of the Russian social revolutions of the early 20th century and modern Federalist politicians, playing on the peoples want for powerful leaders; the autocratic past already forgotten.
The Pax Americana is in trouble. The last eight years their foreign policy makers and officials have been buffoons, clearly misguided and culturally isolated individuals who think that the entire world works like their backyard. They’ve been the laughingstock of the world, GWB in particular. They have shocked the world with their blatant lies and ruthless feigned ignorance.
To much of that world, in particular the general public in many EU constituencies, the Russians inspire fear, but also a sense of competence. Their propaganda machine is based on entirely different principles than the flag-waving heroics of the corresponding American. Especially among the socially minded Europeans, it’s really reaching its target demographics.
Whatever the new Administration does, they better be able to express at least some level of understanding and intelligence if they really do engage in another Cold War. Rambo 3 ain’t gonna work as justification for putting the Taleban in power this time around.
But I digress.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I can see how the majority is already against almost ninety percent of what the “elite” are doing. What I can’t see, is how the hell we are going to “get the info out”. Most of the people that I speak with do not wish to speak about 9/11. They already know it was a sham. The neo-cons are laughing on their fat asses at this very moment. Why? Because, they slapped us in the face with their “terrorist attack” and we proved the fraud a long time ago. They just say, “nope, not us, it was a freak thing that has never happened before in history”. And while we try to convince more people of that truth, they commit more crimes right in front of our faces. Give me a break. I feel like the town bully has walked in my front yard and stolen my car. While I am in court trying to prove to his brother (the judge) of his crime against me, the bully is robbing my house and raping my wife. It is like a stupid cartoon where they say, “hey, look over here”. And while your attention is diverted, drop an anvil on your ass. I don’t care if you bring the Lord himself down from heaven to testify in court and say that 9/11 was an inside job. Suddenly out of nowhere, twenty or thirty “terrorists” will be found and executed. Then the dog and pony show will roll on. Fact, the MAJORITY is against the war mongering. Fact, the MAJORITY is poor as dirt and going further down the slope. Fact, they are taking the guns right out of our hands. Fact, they are poisoning our food, water, vaccines, and air! The fact of the matter is, we all know! You can’t prove that an insurance company owes you money for an accident in a decent amount of time. In just two years, look how much damage we have done. I agree, get the info out there. But I say, “do more than that”. Lets say you and I are going to race one mile. Before you can run your first yard, you have to get permission from me. Before you run your second yard, you have to prove that you deserve the chance to run. Myself on the other hand, run each and every yard with no question. You have no say at all. Who will win that race every time? To each his own, I guess. God Bless guys.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Infowars independent chat now up and running…… No sign-ups or Registration. Chat and debate with other infowarriors……. Site dedicated only to you guys…..
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August 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Shouldn’t we be “excercising” our DIPLOMATIC resources, instead of military? Hmmm……..? How hard is it to avoid war? In this day and age? Uh, can’t we work it out? Can’t we all just, get along? I wouldn’t shoot you for a bundle of bananas! This isn’t rocket science! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO OVERCOME ANY OBSTACLES- EASILY.
They are all LYING to the public through thier own financed tool- the corporate media.
Study Albert Pike, i’m tired of explaining this shit.
August 29th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Who believes this is Stupid or Lunatic. This headline is a complete nonsense. So NATO need to disguise weapons as humanitarian aid and give them to Georgia. You are really in need of a shrink. Listen… NATO is the Military Ruler of the World. NATO is not a group of Terrorists like Al Qaeda or the 911 Truth Movement. NATO means North Atlantic Treaty Organization, I bet most of you morons don’t even know what you are talking about. Go educate yourselves. NATO doesn’t need to disguise weapons and give them to a Country. If NATO wants to give weapons to a Country, NATO simply delivers the weapons and period. You really call and go see a Doctor all. Wish you get well soon.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hey Freelikebird: Sure NATO is free to give weapons to other NATO countries, BUT Russia is Free to destroy those weapons if they are used against Russia or it’s people. NATO does not trump National Sovereintry, especially when the offended nations back yard is infiltrated. Russia is stronger than NATO and is quite capable of WWIII, whether NATO likes it or not. NATO knows this and is trying to hide their weapon buildup under the guise of humanitarian aid. NATO fools no one.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Why are you Mr. Jones charging for your movie about 9/11????
How can you give a message about “money tyrannism” and all the bad things that involves this unhuman way of order and still charge for the “truth” to the people that really affects all of this.
So in the end you still want money… if you say that it costed you money to make the film, then you should get it from another source….private sponsors or something…..BUT NOT MAKING A BUSINESS OUT OF IT with paypal and shit…… what is you message with this? IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH YOU NEED TO PAY FOR IT??? what about the people that dont have or dont use those electronic systems of payment? are they condemned because of it? DO YOU LIKE TO SEGREGATE PEOPLE TOO?
When you give a message you need to be clear about your intentions. The minute you start charging for “the truth” you’re a LIAR…someone taking advantage of intelligent people that realize by their own about the real situation of our world….. I really hope you can read this, because I’m one of your disappointed fans.
Truly and sincerely,
Oscar
August 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
#78
You obviously aren’t familiar with Alex Jones. His films have no copy restrictions, and he urges individuals to make and distribute copies free of charge. You see, things cost money. Media operations require funds. Apparently you think running a nationally syndicated radioshow, and being a film producer is all free. You’re wrong. So, if you care about the information at Infowars.com and Prisonplanet.tv, you are welcome to purchase a high quality DVD, at a discounted rate; but please make plenty of copies for free distribution to get the word out. Also, please make them available on internet download torrents, which Mr. Jones has also encouraged and seeded, for free download of high quality versions.
Idiot.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
FUCK NATO AND THE NEO-CONS THEY RODE IN ON!
August 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
When I was a lad, NATO was held up to be a just organisation defending the free west against the totalitarian state, the USSR.
What a long time ago that now seems.
We have had the obscene spectacle of NATO bombing civilian targets in Belgrade in support of KLA terrorists, the illegal act of NATO engaging in an offensive ground war in Afghanistan, on the pretext that they wouldn’t hand over Osama Bin Laden, against whom not even the FBI have any evidence concerning 911.
Now the lunacy of dragging the coat-tails of an inferior NATO flotilla past the Russian military within the black sea. What are they thinking?? Why would any sane person do this?
Assuming they are not just stupid or insane, we must conclude that this is an intentional provocation to ratchet up tensions with moscow…..why? There must be a reason..What insanity is about to unfold?
August 30th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I think some of us have that answer. The birthing pains have begun…
August 30th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
http://www.terrorist-threat.com
August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 am
we have a money making deal with putin.
he kills a double agent we pay hin 10 bilipn through the wto
August 31st, 2008 at 6:32 am
Interesting post – the people of Georgia should decide their own fate – since they will suffer the consequences and rip the rewards – will they side with Russia or the so called Democracy that is their call to make – they have to side with someone as they can not stand still.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Nato and the West were the “good guys” fighting the evil empire, but that was before a bunch of shet faced ideologues took over fresh from the corporate empires.
Now it’s all propaganda and bs there is no more just cause because they are all part of the new world fascist movement to gain wealth and subdue the masses through things like the “patriot act”. Ha! I would laugh but it’s really sad.
August 31st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
There is no doubt that we have BLACK op ships out there as well as some nucular submarines. Were conducting information gathering on russian ships and there communications. The Nato ships are just dummies -Like candy to a baby!
Me thinks that the reson with Georgia was to keep russia and the world media occupied while We continue to Bring more ships in the gulf to prepare for attacks on Iran. Soon we will know!
August 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Looks like the French Public Opinion has made their voices heard. Sarkozy the NWO trained monkey has had his little rasist/fascist arse kicked into shape and been reined–in. The latest has Robert Kouchner denying any sanctions against Russia. Russia was NOT waiting wth baited breath! Silence on the Sarkozy front–also the little creep Miliband, the Britz “boy-wonder”–NOT! The self importance of these little retards! Only, it’s the GROUP THEY WORK FOR that gives them this astonishing huberis and outlandish confidence, after all, their electorate hate their guts. Here in Britland this regime is the most hated since Thatcher and have the same politics even though it’s a “different” party. That’s the Neo-Con/Bilderberger effect. No time to slack now, they are NEVER STILL.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:33 am
We are one missile launch from those ships in the Black sea from obliteration.