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Neocon Gaffney: 4000 US Troops ‘Had To Die’ In Iraq
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Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, Dec 17, 2008
A renowned neocon talking head has stated that in his opinion four thousand American troops “had to die” in Iraq, regardless of the fact that Saddam Hussein posed no imminent threat to the United States.
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney, also told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews during Tuesday’s ‘Hardball’ that he was “delighted” with the outcome of the Iraq war.
The debate on the Iraq invasion became heated when Gaffney commented that Hussein presented a “mortal threat” to the American people.
Matthews laid into him for “still [using] the strategic language” of the Bush administration.
“Where do you get this from?” Matthews screamed. “We can’t find the weapons, we can’t find the rationale, what kind of mortal threat? Where do you get these words from? Mortal means you die.”
“You guys sold the war as a nuclear threat to the United States…you sold every trick you could to get us into this war,” he continued. “And now you’re backpedaling. And I do find it astounding….Four thousand people are dead because of the way you feel. And Frank Gaffney, you’re wrong about this.” Matthews asserted.
Gaffney responded with the following sick comments we have come to expect from neocons of his ilk:
“My position is it is regrettable that any Americans died. It is regrettable that they had to die, but I believe they did have to die. The threat we knew about was the chemical capability that Saddam Hussein had used against his own people. The potential for biological agents were real. There was evidence that there was an ongoing nuclear program, we had been surprised at how far advanced it was before. The danger was inaction could have resulted in the death of a great many more Americans than 4,000. And that’s the reason I’m still delighted that we did what we did.”
Watch the video:
Presumably Gaffney would have no trouble standing face to face with the families of four thousand dead Americans and making the same borderline psychopathic statements.
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Presumably Gaffney also believes that somewhere in the region of one million Iraqis also had to die, with millions more maimed and/or displaced. Presumably he is still “delighted” with all of these outcomes.
Gaffney is the founder and president of the think tank Center for Security Policy, whose stated mission is to asses“near and long range threats, devise appropriate actions, and then promote those ideas within the government, Capitol Hill, newspapers, radio, the internet, and television.”Other members include prominent neocons Richard Perle, Douglas J. Feith and James G. Roche.
Gaffney’s comments come just hours after Vice President Dick Cheney told ABC news that it was irrelevant whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that the US invasion would have gone ahead anyway.
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December 17th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
i am so shocked americans arn’t hanging these bassterds with their own ties.
Center for Security Policy sounds like a coupe de tat!!!
it proves our govt officials are puppets on a string!!!!
i bet this “think tank” gets lots of govt funding too!!!
now im truly discusted with amerika the enslaved
December 17th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
This posting is something that every American soldier both active and retired ,,should have a copy of! the reality of the awful truth of the neocons ,,the animals are sick!!
December 17th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Now a veteran teacher and grandmother, I have been deeply concerned with the secret, nefarious plans of the global elite since JFK and Viet Nam. The evil genius of their actions is an almost palpable stench. Times are at a critical stage!
But the evil cannot be combated with vile communication. The presence of raunchy language on this site, often in all caps, distracts from concerned discourse and seriously cheapens our purpose. Please consider the wider audience that may be receptive to a reasoned, benevolent message.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
this was obviously taken out of context.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
It’s funny how guys like Chris Matthews can admit the that government lied about WMDs which led to the deaths of 4,000 Americans (it’s actually about 70,000 Americans), but can’t wrap his mind around the government killing 3,000 Americans on 9-11. Notice how he makes no mention of the 1.2 million murdered Iraqis, I guess only American lives are worth a mention.
P.S. Is’nt Chris Matthews one of the media propagandists who helped sell us all on this WMDs bullshit in the first place?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
IronMaiden: You talk about the evil genius… rightly so…however, the genius is not their own. Satan is very real and is controlling them… he is their master and they are his puppets…he promises them wealth and position… and he gives it to them… in order to carry out his own plans… but they work for what he wants in return. There is a controversy going on over us humans… very few seem to understand this… because very few read their Bibles anymore… instead are happy to listen to pleasing sermons by weak men… who call themselves men of the cloth… Please see the bigger picture. I would like to recommend that you try and get a copy of, or maybe it is on the net somewhere… of an interview the one Roger Morneau… there maybe be transcripts of the interview floating around on the web somewhere… he wrote a book called A Trip into the Supernatural… It is quite interesting. Thank you… over and out…
December 17th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Hang the stupid ass and put him and the rest in the ground where they belong.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Frank Gaffney is a war criminal and should be tried by a war crimes tribunal for his continued propaganda role in the Iraq invasion and the sham “war on terror”. His role in the criminal activities of the Bush administration are akin to those of Nazi propagandist Julius Streicher and we all know what happened to him at Nuremberg.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
“Slow to anger, once awake its impossible to stop them”
December 17th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Center for Security Policy, whose stated mission is to assess“near and long range threats, devise appropriate actions, and then promote those ideas within the government, Capitol Hill, newspapers, radio, the internet, and television.”
The esoteric meaning: My criminal friends and I sell armaments to hapless third world nations with brutal dictatorships so they can use them against their own people. Then our friends in the media play on the heartstrings of the American people by constantly streaming the results. We then place well paid puppets, so called experts, on the tube to overplay the threat this poses to the American people and how democracy needs to promoted throughtout the world. We then open the markets for windfall profits on all the fancy weapons we have created.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
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This is a must see link.
ae911truth exposed. Yes. The architects & engineers for 9/11 truth have been exposed.
http://www.youtube.com/profile.....=playlists
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December 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
The neocons should all be castrated and force-fed their own testicles. Note how they don’t do ANY of the actual fighting they so ardently espouse.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
4,000 americans and a million Iraqis dead not to mention the suffering of those that have survived this travesty. There hopefully will be a cold place in hell for neo-cons who promoted this un-American action, right along with hitler,mao, and stalin!!!!
December 17th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Show a friend who believes governments are necessary this copy of title 50 of the United States Code, section 1520 (this “law” was repealed in 1998 by those same people who said they were not wiretapping without a “warrant”). This “law” authorizes the “Department of Defense” to conduct chemical and biological warfare experiments on “civilian populations”. You’ll notice there is nothing in there about about informing the “civilian population” and getting their consent. While the only ones “notified” are “local civilian officials”, there is nothing about getting consent first.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
4000 neocons have to die.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I’d be “delighted” if Gaffney was shipped to Iraq with a bullseye painted on his back. Gaffney is an unmitigated and unrepentant war pig, as are the neocons who pushed this illegal war down the throats of the American people.
Gaffney said the troops “had to die”. He deserves to be strapped to a Humvee and left in the middle of Fallujah. The Iraqis would know what to do with him.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Just like Hitler’s goons, who were “delighted” all those
tens of millions died by their hands.
I’d like to see these filthy cockroaches take a spin on
something called the “Tucker Telephone”.
It was first used in Tucker State Prison on unruly inmates.
It consisted of 2 electrodes. One was fastened to the victim’s
scrotum, the other was placed “where the sun don’t shine”.
It was plugged into an electrical outlet and a switch was
thrown. Those who experienced this said “Everybody talks
on the Tucker Telephone!”
The blackness and despicable filth in the heart of maggots
like Gaffney beggars description. People who complain
“How could a just God send people to hell?” need to realize
hell was made for Satan, his demons, and certain select
psychopaths who are way beyond redemption.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
This is for Christians ONLY———>http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/ Peace, Prosperity and Protection Be with You! THIS IS CRITICAL TO YOUR FUTURE!!!
December 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
To #19
grow up – Jesus is a myth and you are following a religion and belief just as blinding, hypocritical, and destructive as any other out there.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
There is nothing more infuriating than an individual who makes or recommends military action and has never” stood the wall” these eggheaded pussies need to get their asses beat by those of us who have served.
If I ever see this scumbag in public I’ll make it my duty.
The smug look on this douchebag makes me want to smack him.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Gaffney is Cheney’s homo lover….
Hey, shoe throwing is a perfect, republican gayboy forest activity next July in Monte Rio.
Do they make bulletproof outhouses?
December 17th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Pawns they are.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
what a NEO cock sucker …May all his grand children go to FEMA camps ….no hell I’m not even that bad!!!!!
December 17th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Our military should have had a coup by now , where is the military , who to an oath against all enemies foreign and domestic. I mean really It would take . Get your nuts back and arrest these absolute mad men . Hey man come clean with the American people about all your bullshit and I mean all your bullshit. Like there is really something we can’t handle if you told us. At this point you need to make a decision . Either start arresting people cfr, media , and any other traitor or side with them. I guess we will know by the time obama takes office. If you allow a foreigner take office you have betrayed your oath. I guess we will wait and see what you will do.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Frank Gaffney’s home address is listed in the public domain and at the website 411.com
look him up and pay him a visit. both his home address and his office address on Pennsylvania Ave ared listed. Most Neocons can be looked up in public records in No Virginia (Mclean)
and sububurban Maryland (Chevy Chase- Potomac) they can also be found on 411.com
Down load this info before they go under cover
Go to the Montgomery County tax records and the Fairfax county records
then go to Google earth and mapquest thier homes
December 17th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
#4
“The presence of raunchy language on this site, often in all caps, distracts from concerned discourse and seriously cheapens our purpose. Please consider the wider audience that may be receptive to a reasoned, benevolent message.”
This is the best thing I have seen on this site in a long time.
To the rest of you ranting and raving… You realize all this venom you spew never actually gets read by the intended targets right?? I keep waiting to see some legit organizing and tips for preparation for the coming conflict. All I see is people cussing and SCREAMING in all caps at the NWO. Like any of the folks at the top are actually monitoring this site. How about making some rational comments about TFA (The Farking Article) instead of rambling on about Jebus or trying to make your case to folks you know are not reading a word you type. That would be a refreshing change. I have been lurking around Infowars for the last year, and I have yet to see anybody actually trying to come up with a plan. All I see is much gnashing of teeth and immature rantings. How about using this forum as a place for rational conversation and education. You will attract many more people to your cause if you stay rational.
Continued ranting and raving to “the NWO masters” will do nothing. If you think they read anything on this site, you are truly suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Long time Lurker
December 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
NOTICE! THE ILLUMINATI IS FINISHED! FOR ALL ETERNITY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz6ZmSiuiGk
December 17th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
HISTORY IS ABOUT TO BE MADE!
NOTICE… THE ILLUMINATI IS FINISHED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz6ZmSiuiGk
December 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
MORE pink floyd???———>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBkTUzKAiXQ&feature=related <———Man does not live by N.W.O. alone. Enjoy!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
just shoot that fucker! someone put him out!! no more …no no more of that shit!
whoever is closet just whack his ass – seriously put him down hard and messy- he is evil
December 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Absolutely no question Gaffney, Roche, Feith & Perle are repugnant, reprehensible SLAVES to the Wealthy Old Whiteboy 1%-ERS. Clearly, these gentlemen do not deserve to get to their cars in the evening after they work late. They need to be made to feel their lives are as worthless and THEY are as expendable as the 4,000 soldiers Gaffney felt ‘just had to die’. Soon, it shall be their time and I and millions of other Americans know they will when, whimper and beg when it is…
Their their World View is as depraved, debased, demeaning and degrading as their secret view of themselves. That’s why their perceptions are constantly clouded by visions of EVIL, DEBAUCHERY, GREED, VENGENCE & MURDER. I give them each 3 more years of seeing the sun and then their time will be up. They have nothing to be ashamed of as others are far worse than they are.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
hurray for chris mathews,if he keeps this kind of stuff up,I just might to start to like him!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Creatures like Gaffney are precisely what Americans voted for in 2000, 2004 and 2008. You casts yo’ vote fo’ human garbage, you gets yo human garbage….Enjoy. I’m looking forward to seeing national service…and Obama’s planned civilian defense force…the SA…
I won’t be supporting Ron Paul again until he stands up for 9-11 Truth…I will not vote for a ‘party man’ again…Any party that would have creatures like Gaffney and friends in high office does not deserve support. Any party that has the likes of Clinton, Obama, Rezko, Soros, Brzezinski and Albright as members is not an alternative. Revolution Now! The enemy is in Washington!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
As an afterthought, consider this America. Iran ‘gassed’ the people in the hills of east Iraq these 4 depraved ‘demi-men’ would have you believe SADDAM ‘terminated’. In fact, the Iranians used product in cannisters the US gave to them when they fought Iraq. SO, SADDAM GASSED NO ONE & THE STORIES AMERICANS HEARD ABOUT SADDAM WERE 102%, just like the ‘WMD’s’.
At some point in their sad, empty lives of quiet desperation, Americans must realize the WEALTHY OLD WHITEBOYS like Bakers, Kissenger & ‘Ziggy’ have persistently SERIAL RAPED them since 2000. Their soulless, gutless GOP cowards & the ‘Blue Dog’ COPPERHEAD Democraps were principle facilitators and ‘CO-CONSPIRATORS’ in the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
Gaffney and disciples and colleagues will have to bear FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the EVIL, DEATH, DISEASE & DESTRUCTION the Future holds for ALL Americans. There will be no escape nor will their be enough MONEY in the hands of the WEALTHY to protect them from themselves.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Gaffney was “delighted” because he could sit back and watch from the cheap seats…. If he had to serve,,, which he has never done… perhaps he wouldn’t be so “delighted”…..
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1183.html
This guy is no “has been”… he is a “never was”…..
He is a waste of human flesh at best.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
No Mr. Gaffney, 4,000 U.S. troops DID NOT have to die in a needless war and occupation for OIL!!!
You neo-cons make me sick!!! Why don’t you tell that to the thousands of mothers, fathers, wives, and children of these dead soldiers!!! And neither did the 1.5 million Iraqis had to lose the lives, homes, and freedom to American bombs and bullets!!! Saddam Hussein never posed an immediate threat to America. Ever since the end of Operation Desert Storm in 1991, the U.S. had
enforced the the no-fly zones and an export embargo on Iraq. Not to mention, we destroyed any trace of chemical and biological weapons (WMDs) at that time following U.N. inspections. As for Saddam using those WMDs against his own people, Mr. Gaffney as well as the media neglect to mention the fact that it was the U.S. that gave him those weapons to use on the Iranians during the Iraq-Iran war (1980-88) with the blessing of Donald Rumsfeld (Dec. 20, 1983 handshake with Saddam)!!!! Also, under the Reagan administration, the U.S. State Department took Iraq off the list of nations supporting terrorism in 1982. Only to restore full diplomatic relations with Iraq by 1984. But back in 1988 when Saddam did use mustard gas against the Kurds, NO PROTEST was
raised then!!! After all, Saddam had been a longtime C.I.A. asset since the 1960’s. As well as a business partner with BUSH SR.(Oilman/Ex-CIA director) and his friends!!!! Saddam was financed through the CIA-bank BCCI, gived germ cultures by the CDC from Atlanta, Ga., arms transfered to him by Wackenhut (the BUSH/CIA-connected company that also guards Area 51), Cluster-bombs from Chile (ran by CIA -installed dictator Pinocet), as well as computers, satellite intelligence, and Bell helicopters. Now, BUSH JR. is trying to accomplish the goals of the neo-con think-tank PNAC by setting up PERMANENT MILITARY BASES throughout Iraq, the establishment of the WORLD’S LARGEST U.S. EMBASSY, and the construction of the MOSUL-HAFIA OIL PIPELINE.
So, when CHICKENHAWKS like Gaffney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney show such a callous reguard for human life, the American people should remember the words of GENERAL SMEDLEY
BUTLER that WAR IS A RACKET and EISENHOWER’S warning of the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. And as HENRY KISSENGER once said,”MILITARY MEN ARE JUST DUMB STUPID ANIMALS TO BE USED AS PAWNS IN FOREIGN POLICY!!!!
December 17th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
You people keep referring to these white boys,well get it correct almost all mentioned are jewish not white!
December 17th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
You can bet, if i had a son which i did, who fought over in Iraq, and Lost his life for a No reason, thankfully mine made it home , Makes me wish i could use Frank Gaffney’s Head for Shooting practice. This man deserves to be Held for High Treason, along with the Whole Bush Cabinet. Those young Men and women have died for No real good reason is what he’s saying. Why doesn’t the american People wake up? They honor those fighting in Iraq,But there fighting an Illegal war. these Politicians are no better than a Legalized Murderer. yet People still keep talking High of Bush and Cheney like they Changed the world. No They stole your world away, you just are Blind and can’t see it! They took your common since if you had any in the first place ,and turned you into a bunch of Lab Monkeys. This man, Frank Gaffney,Is a Hypocrit. He slaps our country’s Veterans of this Iraq war
In the face saying there comrades died in a war that had no true justification. I’d be Mad at the world over that! If my son would have died in Iraq, I swear Mr Frank Gaffney,would be another so-called war casualty! People just listen to whats said and go on like ,well what am i suppose to do? What is thos country going to say or do when they find out how careless these politicians are, and how hard they work at making these service men and women feel there supporting the right people for the right reasons, and it’s for love of this country? If they did, they would put most politicians against a wall and threaten them with firing squads for there handling of such poor and unethical beliefs these politicians have of Life in general. To say, Oh well 4000 had to die! Someone’s son or Daughter Died over there, and he is saying Oh well, Much Like Dick Cheney. Time to get real people. Pride, is hard to stare at when your fighting something that isn’t for truth and Justice. It’s for POLITICAL GAIN. There lives were sacrificed so these politicians can say Look what i done.
December 17th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
no…..i think the correct term for them would be(VERY NEAR FUTURE ELITIST DEAD SUBHUMANS) I think that sum it up better
December 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
forgive my spamming 3minute 9-11 video I made it’s a day late and a dollar short but it shows some pretty hard evidence that I think has gone unnoticed in the 9-11 truth movement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQYFABSlCQ4
December 18th, 2008 at 12:08 am
I earnestly hope that GOD will give all of us who have stood up for whats right a front row seat to the biggest trial in our history. Honestly, I pray that these evil creatures will repent but I am not holding my breath on it. This is the ONLY reason why many of us are sitting still and not taking out the trash.
December 18th, 2008 at 12:19 am
motherfckr! i come from a small town 3800 people that’s more than all the people in my home town. How dare you say that! I hope you burn with all the rest you spineless pig!
December 18th, 2008 at 12:20 am
1,400,000 casulties in Iraq and Afghanistan. 400,000 dead in Darfur, and the Bush minions are satisfied. Congrats neo-cons!!!
December 18th, 2008 at 12:20 am
#43 Tiny spoken like a true man of god! Way to keep it real
December 18th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Psychopath…
December 18th, 2008 at 4:15 am
He should get his big dummy head busted. He aint nothin but a infadel of the worst kind.
Fony-balony muthafucka thats what he is. They otta test his nuts an see where hes at. Then he be revealed as the flogin ass trick that I know he is.
December 18th, 2008 at 5:41 am
So many neocons, and only two shoes…we need more shoes to throw. Wouldn’t it be funny for one day every elitiist CFR, Trilateral, Bohemian Grover, etc., neocon, were to be bombarded by shoes for an entire day, wouldn’t that be funny; the average schmoe vents his frustration by shoeing the elitiists for a day. Hey, before they start to exterminate us, we could say we got our kicks in. Come on, I saw you smile. Imagine Cheney, Kissinger, Hillary, Bill, Bush (the whole clan) with sole marks all over their faces at the end of the day.
Imagine all the People, shoeing for a Day….
December 18th, 2008 at 5:51 am
Now! Chris Mathews wants to out the neocons? What a joke!
December 18th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Al, I’ve got a wardrobe full of them.
Are you referencing yourself to Imagine by A Perfect Circle? Great song.
December 18th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Why didn’t Matthews say these things a few years back? Because now he can. Its all staged. Bush is on his way out and the next Puppet is about to take the stage and start a new show so its ok to attack the outgoing puppet.
December 18th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Saddam did pose a threat to the United States. He was going to start selling cheap oil in Euros. That was the threat. He had been a CIA asset, just like Bin Laden, Mossadeq et al but had outlived his usefulness.
December 18th, 2008 at 7:21 am
This guy should go fight his own war. By the way, Take Bush, Cheney, Gates, and Dumbsfeld with him, and see how long they lasts. What douchebags these politicians, and their puppets are! Throw all the loafers you can at this ass pirate!
December 18th, 2008 at 7:40 am
This site is becoming comic relief, this is too funny. The majority of criminals justify their actions so what do you expect this one to say when 4000 soldiers (AND over 1 million Iraqis) didn’t have to die? Can you imagine anyone of them concuring that yes, none of them had to die?
December 18th, 2008 at 7:42 am
#54
Good point. Sort of like how Kucinich was only “allowed” to read the 30-some articles of impeachment against Bush in the closing months of Bush’s at once suicidal and genocidal reign.
Do me a favor, anyone who disagrees with that last statement. Find me one president in history whose policies have been so disasterous, who has turned a surplus into such a deficit, who has sold out his country more than Bush, who has engaged in several pointless wars, who has squandered so much, and who takes no responsibility for his actions or the actions of his administration. Then find me one who doesn’t even know the definition of what Bush campaigned as, a compassionate conservative.
December 18th, 2008 at 8:39 am
The story is he is delighted with this outcome and the U.S. has signed agreements to be in Iraq until at least 2011, the question is what is the next step by these neo cons that will continue to run the military decisions, what is the next objective to complete that will delight them? Troop surge in Afghanistan? Iran, Pakistan, India, what do all the clues add up and point to?
Let’s hear
December 18th, 2008 at 10:17 am
This 4000 number is very very wrong.That is the number that die on the ground in Iraq. The last number I read in my VFW Monthly was over 10,ooo dead.The rest are the ones that die in Germany and later in the US.RICE APOLIJISED ,BUSH SAID SO WHAT, AND CHENEY SAID THE REASONS WERE IRREVELANT!!!!WHAT DOES THIS TELL US OF OUR LEADERS. WE WENT TO WAR BECAUSE THEY WANTED TOO AND HALLEBURTON NEEDED SOME NO BID CONTRACTS.WAKE UP PEOPLE OBAMA IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING TO Pakistan. This goverment is not legetament and once we all wake up to it we can change it.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Chris Mathews, better late than never.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
HEY #61 Roger, how about getting a source for the 10000 dead….. your whole argument is based on the # and you cant sustantiate it.
ANy way my VFW monthly never said 10k, I cant show you a solid number anywhere because I have found no independant site’s showing my any truth.
I was over there and we were hearing numbers all the time, but when your boots are on the ground you seldom take note of proaganda.
Scary stuff the LEADERS DONT CARE THEY WANT YOU DEAD
Everyday more evidence piles up
That stinks, hey some one promise me they wont lose faith when they take the net from us all.