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Neocon Lie Finally Debunked: Osama Not in Cahoots with Saddam
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
March 11, 2008
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| Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, the Pentagon finally admits, a fact understood by many well before the United States invaded Iraq, an invasion at least in part predicated on that neocon spawned lie. | |
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It comes five years and a million plus lives too late: “An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the 2003 United States invasion of Iraq has found no evidence Saddam Hussein’s regime had any operational links with al Qaeda’s terrorist network,” reports McClatchy Newspapers.
At the time, some of us declared this fallacy to be nothing less than a bad joke, but we were drummed out by a massive tidal wave of absurd noise unleashed by the corporate media, taking its marching orders from the neocons.
In addition to the fairy tale about al-Qaeda, we endured another debunked fallacy — that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Recall Bush’s hare-brained speech in Cincinnati in October, 2002, when he ominously warned “America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud,” another gossamer lie cooked up by his coterie of neocon advisers, more appropriately described as his puppet masters.
“President Bush and his aides used Saddam’s alleged relationship with al Qaida, along with Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction, as arguments for invading Iraq after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks,” McClatchy continues.
Then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld claimed in September 2002 that the United States had “bulletproof” evidence of cooperation between the radical Islamist terror group and Saddam’s secular dictatorship.
Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell cited multiple linkages between Saddam and al Qaida in a watershed February 2003 speech to the United Nations Security Council to build international support for the invasion. Almost every one of the examples Powell cited turned out to be based on bogus or misinterpreted intelligence.
As recently as last July, Bush tried to tie al Qaida to the ongoing violence in Iraq. “The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims,” he said.
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Powell and the neocons did not cite “bogus or misinterpreted intelligence,” they were in fact telling big fat whopper lies.
As Joseph Goebbels knew, the “stupid thick-headedness” of the people, easily frightened into submission by the specter of fantastical demons, made Hitler’s Big Lie possible. Hitler wrote in his autobiography, Mein Kampf, that the Big Lie is so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”
Indeed, the truth was distorted with infamy, not only in the lead-up to the invasion and mass murder spree in Iraq but in regard to the events surrounding September 11, 2001, as well. In effect, the Pentagon’s admission that the neocons had lied — it is euphemistically called “bogus or misinterpreted intelligence” by the conniving corporate media — is a slap in the face, not that most Americans, somnolent at best, feel the sting as the back hand retracts. No longer do they care what the government does in their name, as their name is obviously mud.
As well, the people, suckers by the millions, are unable to grasp the well documented fact that government is a serial killer — not simply killing Iraqis or in the not too distant past Vietnamese, but their own people, who are basically on the same level as countless — and uncounted — victims in far away places most Americans cannot find on a map.
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It is not a stretch to conclude that a large degree of the popular belief about our so-called enemies is little more than an implausible myth of gigantic proportion. For instance, numerous scholars and researchers have demonstrated that al-Qaeda was created by the CIA — but most people either do not know this or refuse to believe it, preferring instead to buy the ludicrous fantasy that Osama bin Laden and his supposed gaggle of dour cave dwelling Muslim terrorists not only came into existence all on their own without the assistance of government and intelligence agencies, but also managed to have NORAD stand down and were able to perform impossible aeronautic feats with humongous airliners.
Now that the Pentagon has fessed up to the fact Saddam and Osama did not collaborate — and remember, the neocons told us these two characters plotted to attack America, and that’s why the United States invaded Afghanistan and Iraq — maybe the CIA can fess up to its lies and misdeeds.
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For those a bit sketchy on history, allow me to repeat a few key points at the risk of redundancy — both what would later become known as al-Qaeda and the Taliban emerged from the Mujihadeen in Afghanistan, a motley assemblage of religious fanatics used by Zbigniew Brzezinski, acting as Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor, and his successors to attack the Soviet presence in that remote corner of the world. Brzezinski and the CIA teamed up with the brutal Pakistan military dictator General Zia ul-Haq to spread Wahabi fundamentalism far and wide in Central Asia and the Middle East. In fact, the United States preferred demented religious fanatics over the less mentally unstable.
Norm Dixon writes:
Washington’s favored mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West’s distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavory “freedom fighter”. Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970s for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil.
After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992, Hekmatyar’s forces rained US-supplied missiles and rockets on that city — killing at least 2000 civilians — until the new government agreed to give him the post of prime minister. Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction.
As Dixon notes, between 1978 and 1992, the United States spent at least US$6 billion — some estimates range as high as $20 billion – for arms, training and funds to keep the murderous mujaheddin factions going like a rabid Energizer bunny. During the mid-1980s, according to journalist Ahmed Rashid, the CIA “committed … support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).” Some of the more promising candidates were sent to the CIA’s spy training camp in Virginia, where they were taught “sabotage skills” of the sort that would come in handy during the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. After these events, the word “al-Qaeda” would appear increasingly in the corporate media.
“Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden’s organization, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with ‘legitimate’ business operations,” writes Dixon, who seems to think Osama bin Laden, as a CIA-ISI operative, went off the reservation after the Soviets were evicted from Afghanistan. Of course, such defections — especially by key personnel involved in multi-billion dollar operations — are the improbable exception and not the rule.
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So useful was al-Qaeda, they were employed elsewhere, most notably in the Balkans. “In a cruel irony, while the Islamic jihad — featured by the Bush Administration as ‘a threat to America’ — is blamed for the terrorist assaults on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, these same Islamic organizations constitute a key instrument of US military-intelligence operations in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union,” Michel Chossudovsky wrote on September 12, 2001. As it turns out, Osama bin Laden’s CIA sponsored operation, Maktab al-Khidamat, was instrumental in running Jihadists into Bosnia out of its Brooklyn, New York branch, known as the Al-Kifah Refugee Center, a fact reported by the Associated Press.
Indeed, al-Qaeda served as “a key instrument of US military-intelligence operations” in the United States as well, although such a band of fanatics and demonstrable mental cases would be unable to pull of an operation of the sort that occurred on September 11, 2001. “Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms,” notes Andreas von Bülow, the former state-secretary in the German Federal Ministry of Defense. “To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry.” For more detail on how the CIA and Pentagon ran the operations of September 11, see the video included here, The Underlying Politics of 9/11.
As should be expected, there is more – much more – to the story and it would take several thick books to spell it all out in detail.
Now that the Pentagon report on the Big Lie concerning the once purported Osama-Saddam link is in the process of undergoing a “painful” declassification review, it is time for the same to happen in regard to the events surrounding September 11, 2001. Let’s begin with a new investigation — this time conducted by people not associated with the Bush crime family.
Of course, this will not happen, not without a fundamental change in the government, in fact a radical change within the government. Dare I say practically the entire government would need to be replaced for this to happen? It is an unlikely prospect, especially considering a large number of people believe a man such as Barack Obama represents change. Incidentally or not, Obama has enlisted the help of the above mentioned Zbigniew Brzezinski, the man who dreamed up al-Qaeda.
In the meantime, I’m going to wish for a pony.
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March 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I believe in god, and I believe that God uses evil as he uses good. Bush and his controllers are in Gods hands whether they like it or not. And trust me well everyone, God will do his best to piss them off, slowly and torcherously, but first they need to get high enough to have a scary ass fall. What a ride destroying, lying, perverting and corrupting a good intended country, right George? Also I believe God allowed these criminals to lie to us all, because we the people, as a whole, were not focused, but now everyone incorrectly focused because the conciousness is not on self betterment of soul, but wealth and material. That is why evil wins here, the populaces greed in apathy. And no one here today will make it to heaven sadly, because they are down the rabbit hole with two broken legs and one crutch, being slowly widdled.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I thought it was already proven that Al-CIAEDA had nothing to do with Sadam.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I knew this when the planes hit the buildings. I am no one and I knew it. A friend was in Iraq in 1991 and met with Saddam. We argued in 1994 because he said the U.S. Government would take Saddam out (he had and I have the documents to prove it). I told him, at that time, Saddam was irrellevant and meaningless to the U.S.
Osama is Shiite Wahabbi from Saudi Arabia, studied under the Brotherhood of Egypt, Saddam was a Sunni Baath. As we see in Iraq today, Shiite and Sunni are enemies. Saddam and Osama were ideologically oppsed. They had no business together. Osama has more in common with the leaders of Iran.
What we are seeing in Iraq, the Iranian leader’s visit, was created by the U.S. Government’s hostile corporate takeover of Iraq. The U.S. government created a quagmire in the Middle-East. I say corporate takeover because Cheney and his friends have gotten very rich.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Overthrow the government and institute a new government for the people and by the people not the by the lobbyists for corporate America.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Actually, I don’t believe the Shiite and Sunni in Iraq hate each other as much as we are made to believe. I think Blackwater has more to do with the random bombings in Iraq than Al-qaeda. It creates fear and instability to justify the U.S. corporate government to maintain its presence in Iraq. Where is all the oil going and where are the profits from the oil going? Iraq was one of the top 5 oil producers in the world before 1991. Some of the largest reserves in the world were discovered there, where is it all going?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
ATTENTION: Ralph Schoenman has a radio show, “Taking Aim”, every Tues 5-6PM EST on WBAI NY, a Pacifica affiliate. Web stream @ http://www.wbai.org
March 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
The CIA is controlled by the Jesuits and the Vatican.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Humpty Dumpy had a great fall… LoL… God will prevail… after reading this story
and printing it out.. all those that doubted me are going to hear a ‘told ya so.’
And seeing our military contracts being draw up with European companies,
it comes as no surprise to me now seeing Boeing being replaced with European
companies also.. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap.....60178.html
March 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I believe acceptance that we have no control over these events is also part of the Big Lie. Wake up America, we can make a difference. If you believe that this is God’s doing, and that we have no control over it….your just as bad as the Satan you believe in. You have free will. Use it to make a difference, your God would expect nothing less.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
*if
March 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
i was just reading up in these FEMA detention center’s. somebody pls confirm if this is true and give me proof. cuz if this is true, i am going to snap
March 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
EJR, I’m sorry to be the one to confirm this for you, but I’ve been watching the fema camps issue for a while now and it appears 100% true. It’s even been reluctantly confirmed by the mainstream press (i guess it’s hard to keep 800+ massive detention camps a secret)
See this link for some disturbing photos
http://www.libertyforlife.com/....._camps.htm
though their maps need updating. I am working with others to compile a more complete list of the locations of these centers.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
There has never been a time in history when the misdeeds of the state have been so clearly revealed and analyzed. The flow of information has been so liquid and for this the people, the citizens, have a true opportunity to resist. The internet can be removed at anytime however, so it is very important to note that the venues technology offers will only be available until it becomes a genuine liability to the regime. Any true change must come in the form of footwork and awareness outreach. If the best we can do is unabashedly blog our frustrations about things we can change but don’t, we are stuck. Research well and prepare for verbal battles.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
ok so let me get this straight. there are over 800 detention camps inside the US. and who is going to be put in these camps? if americans really felt as though this was a real threat, wouldn’t everybody leave the country?
March 11th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
NEO AS IN NEO NAZI = FASCIST
CON= AFTER YOU VOTED FOR BUSH, YOU LEARNED YOU’VE BEEN CONNED, THEY ARE FASCISTS
NEOCON.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
wouldn’t everybody leave the country?
AND GO WHERE ? RUSSIA, CHINA ?
MOST PEOPLE ARNT COWARDS. THEY WILL STAY AND FIGHT.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
have no clue of what there doing
YOU DONT HAVE EYE’S, YOU NEVER EVER THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THE PIECES TOGEATHER,
YOU NEVER WENT TO LUNCH AND COMPARED NOTES>
I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE, AND.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID 25 YRS, NOW YOU SAY 15 YRS.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
The “Jesuit and the Vatican” angle is a NWO loyalist tactic to take people’s eyes off the real perps.
NWO damage control is in high gear and will try to misguide the TRUTH movement from the inside.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Simpleman1776 – AND GO WHERE, RUSSIA?, CHINA?
we could pull out and go to mexico, or canada. i am not so sure that i would want to stay here and end up in a concentration camp like the jews did. do you have any idea the horrors they went thru?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
When are you people going to realize that you and the neocons are on the same side? They, like you, do not want a world government because it would mean giving up caucasian EuroAmerican hegemony. They will NEVER allow a world governmen to come to pass because if they did, then all races would have sovereignty and some say over the course of the world. They, like you, want a world run by the KKKKKK (KKKorporate KKKhristian KKKconservative KKKaucasian KKKapitalist KKKomplex). Until you infowarriors take History of Western Dominance 231 like me, you cannot truly be informed on this topic.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
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EJR Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Simpleman1776 – AND GO WHERE, RUSSIA?, CHINA?
we could pull out and go to mexico, or canada. i am not so sure that i would want to stay here and end up in a concentration camp like the jews did. do you have any idea the horrors they went thru?
DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS. GOOD RIDDENS.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE MEN IN THIS COUNTRY GONE ?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
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College Kid Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
When are you people going to realize that you and the neocons are on the same side? They, like you, do not want a world government because it would mean giving up caucasian EuroAmerican hegemony. They will NEVER allow a world governmen to come to pass because if they did, then all races would have sovereignty and some say over the course of the world. They, like you, want a world run by the KKKKKK (KKKorporate KKKhristian KKKconservative KKKaucasian KKKapitalist KKKomplex). Until you infowarriors take History of Western Dominance 231 like me, you cannot truly be informed on this topic.
YAH RIGHT, YOU WENT TO A FABIAN SOCIALIST BRAIN WASHING TROTSKI SCHOOL, AND ONLY YOU KNOW THE TRUTH.
I BE WILLING TO BET YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE 1ST 2ND AND 3RD AMMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, BUT ONLY YOU KNOW WHATS WHAT.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
hey EJR, Mexico and Canada are in on it too… only true citizens of all three countries can fight it… and it’s about WORLD domination, so you can’t just turn tail and run and hide, because it will find you…
March 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
redgene – you have a point there. i cant believe the american people are funding their own death camps. what would happen if all the teachers in this country picked a certain day to show all the students in this country “Zeitgeist”.
also, i like what somebody said earlier about us needing adults to stand up and confront clinton about 9/11. we need a mature, 40 something man or woman to stand up and protest
March 11th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
college kid – you are stupid. we are already under a world dictatorship, THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL. these rich bankers control everything. http://www.zeitgeistMovie.com
March 11th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
You american are not very smart!
Don t submit taxes until the war is stopped! no money, no war! pretty simple!
Even for simpletons like you americans, idiots!
March 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Isnt funny that KLA or know as The Kosovo Liberation Army members Were trained by some of the M16s and cia agents?
So much for been called Liberation Army.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
The US legislators all saw the same prewar intelligence and came out of the hearings and said they didn’t see any evidence to support the war but they voted for it anyway and continue to vote for it even as we approach and are probably already in the Iraq war recession/depression. So the responsibility for what is happening needs to placed where it belongs.
These people want war. It’s more important to them than the well being of the United States, the
March 11th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Al Qaeda was and remains made up, just like 911 was an inshide job and the war on terror a hoax. The fact that Saddam had nothing to do with 911 is a NO BRAINER.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Well, I don’t like to make comments here, since it’s like preaching to the choir. Here everyone knows that 911 is an inside job, out there “everyone knows [the troofers] are crazy”- just as bill-shill said.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
ground-breaking news! ^^
March 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Reality is never as we initially perceive it. As an example, two words for contemplation, “Tim Osman”. Tim was an honored member of the CIA back in the late 70’s and 80’s. You guessed it, CIA code name for Osama Bin Laden. President Reagan at the time referred to him a and his comrades as FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Einstein was right, time and space are relative.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Yeah it was well known even admitted on the History Channel surprisingly enough, that Saddam and AlCiada didn’t get along… In fact there was a lot of tension because Saddam wouldn’t allow them to operate in his country.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
There is not and never was an Al qaeda but i know for a fact that there was an Al Bundy. CIA members have attested to the scam of the supposed terrorist cult being nothing more than a US con to allow more fear mongering.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Did you hear about the 2 terrorists arrested w/ bombs in the Mexican Congress in 2001 ?
They were caught trying to stage a FALSE FLAG OPERATION one month after the 9/11 attacks.
As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with 9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.
“We believe that the two Zionist terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism.”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mex.html
March 11th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Whenever they need to get the masses on board their “way of thinking” they stage a terror attack and herd the scared sheeple in the direction they want while the fear is warm.
Something was going to happen in Australia but three Mossad agents were caught making forged passports. They too were shuttled to Israel before the news got too big.
If they had not been caught a terror attack would have happened over there and blamed on some arabs to get the AU population on board the gravy train.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
They are the original Nazi party……………………………………………………………………..
As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being targetted, the US Congress proposed to set up a commission to merely “study” the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principle American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.
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According to Lenni Brenner’s book Zionism in the Age of Dictators (Ch.7), the Zionist party was the only other political party in Nazi Germany that enjoyed a measure of freedom, and could publish a newspaper.
The reason: Zionists and Nazis had a common interest = making German Jews go to Palestine.
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm 2.
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“If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel (Palestine), then I opt for the second alternative.” David Ben Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938 (Brenner, Zionism, p.149)
March 11th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
This is classic conditioning. First, they tell you WMD’s and Al Qaeda connections. Then, years later, they tell you theres no WMD’s. Then, a little while later, they tell you theres no Al Qaeda connection.
Another example- WACO. First, they spin an official story. Later, they pretend to have a trial. Later, they finally admit CS gas use. What is the moral of the story?
Given enough time, they can incrementally get you to accept anything without resistance. 911 is so stale by now, that Bush could announce live to the press that he helped plan it, and the American people would just say “oh well”, and plan their next vacation.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
The NWO Lies keep changing everytime they are told and the NWO loyalists think each new lie is another reason to support the first lie.
Its psychotic.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
the drummers are the zionist
and only 10% of the USA inhabitants,might know this,
the rest just eat shit and whatch the box
March 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am
What kind of dumb asshole just figured this out. REALLY?? I’m not the type to jump to conclusions; however, this is fairly elementary. And the comment on the latest NAZI party…. Look around sweetheart. History has been ignore; we might be a young country but that doesn’t mean that people living here have to ignore their rights and act like social retards.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Debunked. I’m still amazed… Really. So Bush the first…
March 12th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Hertl was the originator of the ´madagascar plan´which was to relocate jews to madagascar. German decision makers renounced the british plan to put jews in palastine stating the obvious, that it would lead to eternal regional conflict.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I wonder if all those talking heads in the MSM will admit how moronic they looked and sounded by just reading from the script and not doing there job of investigating what really happened. The Pentagon said “they had to look thru 600,000 different documents” to come to this conclusion?? What a complete farce. There has been numerous amounts of factual evidence to this fact for over 5 years! The MSM was ordered to lie to us for so long and at the same time strongly discouraged to investigate any of this. But then again, what’s new??
March 12th, 2008 at 2:35 am
I think if US Commander Admiral William Fallon who just quit over his disaggreance with Bush over Iran, then the troops should have the right to quit without reprimand also.
Ron Paul cares about soldiers, their health after their service in the war and finding all the missing soldiers that our government has so easily forgotten.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:13 am
test
March 12th, 2008 at 5:01 am
Well the rule is in the military is that you can QUIT anytime you want because its all volluntary service anyway. But they don’t tell the lowers this. They don’t tell the lowers they can get out. They don’t tell them that all they have to do is get a FREE millitary lawyer.
They tell the lowers they will be punished or never be able to get a job in the civilian world with a dishonorable discharge on their record. Not to mention it is ingrained into them that they can be shot durring time of war for disobeying orders. The officers know all the legal issues but when your talking about your average seaman or grunt they are not so well educated on the rules and for the elite its a good thing because then they couldn’t carry out their evil plans if they were ediucated.
It is really easy to get out of the millitary. But because many of the soldiers don’t read the books and rules given to them durring training. Like most soldiers don’t know or read the UCMJ Uniform Code of Military Justice. This UCMJ should be read and memorized by every soldier because it would prevent alot of the crimes committed by US soldiers.
Im sorry if what I wrote here is not written very well as it is 7am and I just woke up.
One Angry Vet
March 12th, 2008 at 5:12 am
Lets pick up the criminals up in DC Imprison them while we make the treasonious case against them what is everybody waiting Our own military should be frantic about this their own NAZI Government killing our people they must be waiting for the people to do it all the wimps in military are not doing anything.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:12 am
People get lied to so much, they don’t know what is true. Not only are people lied to about 9/11, and the North American Union, Fluoride, Mercury, and Chem trails, but people are lied to about spiritual matters. There are many lies being told to people to turn them from God and the Bible. The movie Zeitgeist, and the Theory Evolution, ungodly music; weather it be Rock, Country, or Rap; when this music mocks sin, God, or the Bible, or Bible teachings, it is ungodly. False Religions also turn people away from God and the Bible, some even use the Bible but manipulate what the Bible says to back up their own beliefs.
Read the Bible for yourselves to get your own opinion. Also, give the Bible the benifit of the doubt, that’s what we do for many other things.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:54 am
Preacher#71: You are right we are lied to, and most of us here know that we are being lied too. It just ain’t the lies. I can be pushy people who think if you cram a beliefe in someones face enough then you can change their beliefs. I’m not sure I need your or anyones religion. I know god and that is good enough for me. It should be enough for you. You spend alot a time here but I don’t see you making alot of friends. You chase me away from god with your religous banterings. May be you should try a different way to bring people to god. Your way, it just does not work for me.. Power to the peacefull.. RIO in NC
March 12th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Rio, you and others keep using the phrase, cramming religion down our throats or in our face, my daughter used to say that, due to the fact she used to be a stellar Christian, then she saw me go through hard times and then she fell away, seeing her come unglued and fall into the degenerate ways of the world, I reuired her to go to church with me, of course, she rebelled, then, but know she admits I am right about what is going on.
I don’t agree with some of Preachers scriptural positions and I know he doesn’t agree with me, I know we both have friends and antaganists here, but most importantly and the point unbelievers don’t get is, believers, desciples are supposed to be the salt of the earth, Yahshua did not instruct us to go and make friends, he instructed us to go and preach the good news, salt irritates, not that, that is the point, it is to be persistant both in discipleship and in honing our our spirit man to improve ourselves to be lights upon others.
The man is commited to his mandate and while you might be offended, you don’t have to read his or anyones postings, but someone else might find his or our information instructive and inspirational.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Brent –
You are an idiot. You CANNOT just quit the military. It is a volunteer army in the sense that you are not MADE to join. You enter into a contract for x number of years of active service. You can’t just quit without consequence. It’s not like you are a greeter at Wal-Mart (which I am sure you have experience in performing.)
Is this article news? I don’t think there are many that think there was a solid case for Iraq anymore. In typical fashion, Nimmo starts with one thing and spends most of the article on conspiracy. Here’s a news flash: THERE WAS NO NORAD STAND DOWN ORDER! He mentioned that in the article so I felt obliged to include that statement.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Some of this video is shocking. CIA front operations? German Intelligence agent exchanges. There needs to be a full and independent investigation. My only question is how do civilians get classified documents and testimony, and if it is branch government investigation why won’t the truth just get buried again. This rabbit hole is highest echelon stuff. What is purposely released disinfo, what isn’t? Too much disinformation for me to completely make up my mind. Mossod? CIA? Saudis? ALL of the above? Somrthing is definitely rotten.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:39 am
The TRUTH has always hidden in plain sight . . . -Adam
March 12th, 2008 at 7:03 am
Yes, there was a Norad stand down order at the command of dick cheney, they and Alex provided the actual script, there’s no way this farce would have happened without the order to stand down, the Pentagon was and is well defended and what hapened with the aircraft being tracked so long without being intercepted is not credible in any way.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:28 am
You have a lot to learn Fred. I doubt you have any experience in fighter aviation.
Please provide proof of the stand down order. I have yet to see it. I have looked for it, I have asked people like you about it, and there has been no proof provided.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:42 am
i don’t think there is proof for an ORDER, but norad standing down or being really, really, really slow is a fact. I think we’ll get proof for the order very soon, the house of lies is going to collapse really rapidly.
“I think Osama Bin Laden is in the closet” “Let’s kill everyone in the house, just to make sure nothing evil happens” -.-
March 12th, 2008 at 7:45 am
We all have alot to learn, but on this, I am by far ahead of you in terms of reasoning and observation, the stand down order was played and replayed on Alex’s show months ago, I do not have it, ask Alex.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Ive read the bible, and actually had a few different studies with various groups. And to be truthful there are glaring inconsistencies. God never changes and is the same till time indefinite, or words to that effect is used in the bible. But God in the Old Testament is more fire and brimstone and eternal damnation, while God in the New Testament seems more loving, forgiving. The arrival of Jesus on Earth and his love of man seems to have had a big impact on his father, unless of course you believe Jesus is God and that the Trinity is true, in which case when Jesus was on the cross asking why have you forsaken me father he was talking to himself. Also every time Jesus prayed he must have been praying to himself, a futile excersize, as he would answer his own prayers. Also while he was in human form on earth he must have put a stand in to look after things in the heavenly kingdom while he was away. LOL. The false teachings and truths of the bible hidden by men just help to turn people off. Even the bible speaks of our age preaching false doctrine on a huge scale. The great harlot, clear implication of the Vatican and its false interpretation of scripture. But no matter what interpretation you choose to believe, it is the meddling of corrupt governements and religious groups in mans natural progression that needs totally done away with. I dont think the Kingdom of God on Earth is the answer, it would be just another system of control. I cant imagine the 1,000 year reign of Christs Kingdom being very tolerable of those that didnt follow. Also the Pagan influence on Christianity is there for all to see. Its corrupted at its core. There isnt even clear evidence Jesus was crucified on a cross, as the bible refers to it as a torture stake, which in those day was basically a plank of wood. The cross has pagan origins……..period. The whole lot of it stinks of control.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:50 am
If someone finds the audio, i’d be really interested. Must have missed it.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Club of Rome 72:
“If the present growth trends in world population, industrialization, pollution, food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet will be reached sometime within the next one hundred years. The most probable result will be a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline in both population and industrial capacity.”
“It is possible to alter these growth trends and to establish a condition of ecological and economic stability that is sustainable far into the future. The state of global equilibrium could be designed so that the basic material needs of each person on earth are satisfied and each person has an equal opportunity to realize his individual human potential.”
“The overwhelming growth in world population caused by the positive birth-rate loop is a recent phenomenon, a result of mankind’s very successful reduction of worldwide mortality. The controlling negative feedback loop has been weakened, allowing the positive loop to operate virtually without constraint. There are only two ways to restore the resulting imbalance. Either the birth rate must be brought down to equal the new, lower death rate, or the death rate must rise again.”
“The result of stopping population growth in 1975 and industrial capital growth in 1985 with no other changes is that population and capital reach constant values at a relatively high level of food, industrial output and services per person. Eventually, however, resource shortages reduce industrial output and the temporarily stable state degenerates.”
“Man possesses, for a small moment in his history, the most powerful combination of knowledge, tools, and resources the world has ever known. He has all that is physically necessary to create a totally new form of human society– one that would be built to last for generations. The two missing ingredients are a realistic, long-term goal that can guide mankind to the equilibrium society and the Human Will to achieve that goal.”
“Without such a goal and a commitment to it, short-term concerns will generate the exponential growth that drives the world system toward the limits of the earth and ultimate collapse. With that goal and that commitment, mankind would be ready now to begin a controlled, orderly transition from growth to global equilibrium.”
Club of Rome in 91 report :
This is the way we are setting the scene for mankind’s encounter with the planet. The opposition between the two ideologies that have dominated the 20th century has collapsed, forming their own vacuum and leaving nothing but crass materialism.
It is a law of Nature that any vacuum will be filled and therefore eliminated unless this is physically prevented. “Nature,” as the saying goes, “abhors a vacuum.” And people, as children of Nature, can only feel uncomfortable, even though they may not recognize that they are living in a vacuum. How then is the vacuum to be eliminated?
It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one invented for the purpose.
New enemies therefore have to be identified.
New strategies imagined, new weapons devised.
The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.
The old democracies have functioned reasonably well over the last 200 years, but they appear now to be in a phase of complacent stagnation with little evidence of real leadership and innovation
Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time. ”
So there ya go , if you want to know how long this has been planned.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:54 am
The only thing I have read or heard is Minetta talking about the young man coming in with reports of the planes distance out. Chaney telling this person that the order still stands. The only order given was to shoot down the a/c. There has been and exists no proof of a stand down order. It requires a leap to assume that since the plane was not shot down, the order must have been to stand down. There was no stand down order.
You have a lot to learn, as most on this site do, about fighter intercepts. I have tried to explain this before, but technology scares most of you on this site and you fail to understand it. You can complain about some incompetence, or the failure of some in charge (middle managers, not the Pres or VP) to fully grasp the situation, but NORAD is not involved in any conspiracy. Here’s one for you to think over. If there was a NORAD conspiracy and cover up, this unnamed young man has to be involved. Therefore, where is he? Do you think that the VP is going to enlist a young man that obviously is so low in the chain of command that Minetta did not even know who he was, with something so sinister. Have Griffen find this young man and interrogate him. Lets hear his side of the story.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:57 am
THANKSFORAMRINE !!
Did you see the testimony of the Aviation Commander who landed all planes in the US on 911 .. did you hear it ?? Obviously NOT !! You are as subborn & ignorant as i read your posts , i mean are you a neo-con yourself ,, Norad did stand down & it was by design thanks to the bad elements that had 20+ exercises going on during the attack ,
Did you hear the testimony i mentioned ,
‘The young man asked The Vice President , the plane is 40 miles out,,30miles out & when he got to 10 miles out the young man than asked the Vice President ,, Do the orders still stand .. The vice president whipped his head around & said , of course the orders still stand ,, have you heard anything to the contrary ???? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!! I mean are you that naive to know that this operation was planned years b4 & are you that blind to know that planes do not disenegrate & vaporize from impact or 1200deg maximum temp keroscene ??? You are in denial * you are obviously out & or brainwashed into believing your neo-cons no matter what you are told , we are marked for takeover & destruction , do your homework , you just don’t understand how bad things really are. I guess when they come to your door & throw you in a truck than maybe you’ll open your brainwashed mind back up.
BTW:: Where do you get your info ,,,Popular Mechanics ????
I mean there’s over 300 loop holes in the 911 story , can you debunk every one of them ??? NO YOU CAN’T !!!
Can you explain why BUSH-CHENEY WOULD NOT FACE THE 911 COMMISIION UNDER OATH ?? IF THEY HAD NOTHING TO HIDE THAN WHY??? Why were the families not allowed to know what they discussed ,, i mean ,, wake up & stand for your country&the people or GET OUT!!
March 12th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Why did we invade Iraq? Oil? Dictators eat drink and be merry – today, for tomorrow they die. They can’t take their wealth with them. Economists call this a high discount rate. Why would Saddam try and blackmail us over his main source of revenues (oil), required to sustain his life style? If he was no real threat to the US, then why exactly did we invade?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:05 am
blabla marine. The fact that we don’t have the order doesn’t mean the order doesn’t exist. Of course it would be covered up. We know that Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified about the situation in the command bunker.
“NORAD says the F-16’s from Langley were still 105 miles and 12 minutes away. This means their average flight speed was only 14.3% of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175. If these F-16’s flew at top speed, they would have been there just after 9:37.”
Look it up here, a detailled timeline:
http://www.911timeline.net/#924
So we smell a rat, or a cat, actually an rotten elephant .
March 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
sgtjohn –
Show me the proof of the stand down order. I have yet to see it. You say I am blind, then open my eyes and show me the order. Nothing in the above transcript says stand down. Wake me up and prove to me that an actual order did exist.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Frank –
Nice try. First, they CANNOT kick in AB’s and fly at over Mach into a heavily trafficked air corridor. Second, they were not sure where they were headed in the first place. Third, they were trying to find a needle in a haystack. I cannot even argue with you about the intercept. You guys are far too ignorant about the capabilities of fighter aircraft to even make it worth my while. I have tried it before, I won’t engage in it again.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Norad standing down? Coincidence. Drills taking place about hikacked planes at the exact same time? Coincidence. Mineta testifying about the bunker situation? Coincidence. No plane wreckage found at the pentagon, not even the huge titanium turbines? Coincidence. The pentagon video only showing a huge explosion, like planted explosives or like a missile? Coincidence. All tapes recording the incidence immideatly being taken by CIA agents and never released? Coincidence… errm.. wait… maybe not? Maybe i should use my brain now and stop listening to TV.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:17 am
#81, I Preach 2, Well, I know you are a Jehovah Witness, and that is why you disagree with me. Please, consider all the Bible verses that I presented on the deity of Christ, in the article titled ” Cops Assault, Arrest man for Lawfully Preaching”, and my comment is #254. This article can still be found through “Sections”, then Police State.
About the cross, There are pictures and types of examples of the cross. One example is putting the blood of the lamb on the lintel and the door post thus forming a cross. Yes, it was a tourcher devise used by the Romans to kill people.
Please check out the verses I was talking about, and later today I will look for your comments about it.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I Preach 2,
You bring up some interesting points, but what does your comment have to do with the above article?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:19 am
How about the wreckage on the lawn? How about the people that SAW the plane hit the pentagon. How about the ATC’s tracking the plane into the Pentagon?
For the 400th time….There was NO STAND DOWN!
March 12th, 2008 at 8:19 am
disinfo bla.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
I have not confirmed the ATC’s into the Pentagon. I apologize ahead of time. Please withdraw pending confirmation.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
That is the best you can come up with Frank? Disinfo blah? Tough to refute some of that, huh?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Thank you Sgt. John, you are well informed and learned on this issue, thank you, there’s no point in pointing out any more facts to the marine, I believe your assesment of him is correct, he would rather blindly believe the machievallian debinking rhetoric of popular mechanics, “what a crock,” than to employ common sense observations requiring us to provide him with the actuall document that would be impossible for us to have although we have all detailed where he can find this infrmation.
That information is by the way, irrelevant in light of all the other myriad of exculpatory evidence, such as the fact the hole was to small, there were insufficient parts and debre, there were no engine drag marks on the lawn or the building, the silly assertion that the entire aircraft vaporized, Titanium?,”every other crash in the world, including IFOR 21 that was brought into the side of sveti Ivan,air force two, with Ron Brown, the aircraft was largekly intact and even had a survivor, Shelly Kelly, until the special forces recue team showed up, and all the other crashes , such as flight 800 that was shot down and slammed into the ocean, was all brought back up and pieced together.
Then there’s the evidence that is inculpatory that was confiscated and destroyed by our own FBI.
All the videos, the fragments that didn’t even match an airliner, the silencing of witnesses including a paramedic with flight experiance who said he was made to do a FOD walk rather than try to assist any injured persons. There’s too much, if the fedgov. is telling the truth, they would’nt be hiding and destroying evidence and witnesses as they have since clinton took office with all the fedgov. fiascos.
Apparantly, the marine is one of these people who is going to come and tell you, you didn’t see what you saw, such is the modus operandi of the government when they are covering up their crimes and or events they don’t want to be public knowledge.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
we don’t know exactly what happened at the pentagon. My best guess is that it was a flyover with good timing and pre-planted explosives. The ‘wreckage parts’ shown on the lawn are not from a boeing 757, probably some smaller plane. The fact, that the boeing did a u-turn before impact, flying with high precision into this flat building with incredible speed, doesn’t make the official story more credible. We know the Al-Quadi patsied have been trained by the CIA. So there’s something big in the closet regarding the pentagon, but we don’t have the complete story.
Whereas WTC7 is much more obvious. A 47-store steelframe building collapsing into its own footprint because it was depressive or something is really hard to believe. Because these incidents are closely related to eachother and there are many strange incidents at the pentagon, the official story regarding the pentagon is certainly fake.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Misdirection marine, there were several witnesses that saw a boeing lumbering over head, when the missle hit, as their phoney black box inadvertantly revealed, the boeing flew close overhead while the missle struck, people sdaw a big jet, then their attention was diverted to the impact and exploosion, slight of hand and it just happened to hit an area where special acountants were investigating some missing trillions. The whole left which was deper than a airliner could penetrate,”the nose being made out of carbon plasti for radar,”left very little fire damage, in the pictures you can see unburnt books and a stand, the debre was ashow, 4 or 6 pieces, a turbine from a fighter jet of the 60s? a mystery box that could be lifted by 6 men? from a 200,000Ib aircraft? no engines, no wings, no stabilizer or rudder, no luggage or people parts.
The witness I listed below was also a pilot and he witnessed to missle coming in from two angles as he was driving towards the pentagon. He was watch as he left the “FOD” walk by men with binoculars and made to feel very uncomfortable for askng questions.
Where is the 200,000 Ib pile of molten plane at Marine? That is impossible and a rediculous assertion, the plane vaporized, for real.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
i think the damage was done by pre-planted explosives, because the impact of a real boeing 757 would have been too impredictable. The boeing could have missed the reinforced impact side which was renovated at that time and could have hit other parts of the building including Rumsfeld’s office. To attack the pentagon was actually a really genuine move, if you look at it from the NWO perspective, because the thought that the CIA would attack their own bulding seems far-fetched. But as Hitler said, the bigger the lie, the easier the cover-up. Fortunately, the whole 9/11 thing was carried out real sloppy.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
could have been a precise missile, too. We’ll find out very soon
March 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Well Frank, that’s possible and a logical assumption given what we know about the Trade center buildings, but the impact was towards the interior rather than the exterior, all the “FOD” walkers were basically finding and instructed to look for where small pieces of composite materials, as the witness I referanced alluded to in his account, he saw what he beieved to be a cruise missle, such as a tomahawk. A bunker buster configureation would be required to penetrate the reinforced rings of walls as it did, your theory is better than the “plane just evaporated lie,” at least it is plausible, but again, the blast was inward.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am
93Thankamarine? You are absolutely unbeleivable dude. I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe that you are even a real person. No stand down? You have got to be kidding me!
4 planes, 2 hours, no interceptions.
Government says “no prior knowledge”, but MAGICALLY- on the day of 911 no less- they somehow know it was Al Qaeda and Osama bin somewhere for 7 years?
Norm Minetta’s testimony?
Yeah, I saw the “plane wreckage”. A few tiny pieces of planted debri, and a tiny engine that in no way resembled the large mercedes engine of the alleged model aircraft.
Witnesses? Yeah right. That’s why the 200+ cameras footage at the pentagon was confiscated, cause they really want us to see what happened.
Here’s some other award winning “witnesses”. Google video “911 octopus”.
You give a whole new meaning to the word Jarhead.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:08 am
i think what happened to the pentegon is that a chopper with a missile popped up from some secret area around the pentegon and fire a tomahawk into the building. yea alot of the reports of people who were in the area said they were drving down the highway and such, heard a swoosh and looked to see the pentegon in a ball of fire. then there were others who said they seen planes, but nobody seen the same type of planes descriptions, they were all different. people dont know what they see alot of times and get facts twisted or just want to get on tv when they actually seen nothing. what about that nice streak on the lawn days before the plane hit? doesnt it make it look like a plane actually did hit to the average public watching it on tv? even tho it was already there? or could it be some kind of aiming marker? and i might be somewhat incorrect on this one , but wasnt that section of the penetogn reinforced, the only section like that…since rumsfeld was directly on the other side of the penetogn at the time it all happened? there were like 75 or 80 cameras who all had this on CCTV like hotels and gas stations, all to be confiscated by the FBI in minutes., and people were told to keep their motuhs shut or they would face a possible death sentence. theres the official story and the real story, both are not the same. WTC bldg 7 is sketchy as well, seems all the CIA scandals and documents concerning charges against the CIA for its dirty work were all lost and destroyed. also 300 people with the CIA were told not to come in that morning, for they had prior knowledge, but wouldnt tell NORAD, but instead held drills on the exact same events , the exact same location, on ther exact same day, JUST LIKE THE 7/7 BOMBINGS IN LONDON
March 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
ALSO TOO IF THE PLANE “EVAPORATED” THERE ARE COMPUTERS AND SUCH JUST SITTING THERE IN THE PENTEGON WHERE THE PLANE HIT WHICH ARE PERFECTLY IN TACT NEAR FILING CABINETS ETC. UNLESS THE COMPUTERS ARE MADE OF SOMETHING BETTER THAN TITANIUM……..C’MON!
March 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I believe ThankAMarine is a plant. Always claims to be studying commission report. By now he has had plenty of time to form a consensus. Seeds of doubt planted to create doubt in readers here.
Thanks Gabriel A King.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Actually Gabriel, they have had prior knowledge since the 60s at or about the time of the bay of pigs fiasco, it is called operation northwoods, written by that marine traitor Col. Oliver North, also Mark Korneke who was then a CIA agent, had drafted major parts of that and or REX 84 dealing with incarcerating American citizens in concentration camps during Reagons era.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am
the more interesting question concerning marine is: how can he go on seeding distrust, dispite of all the facts? Switch sides dude, time for a u-turn.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Good call canadian army man, although I disagree with your helo analogy, while witness accounts differ, some were very detailed especially from a pilot.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Frank, if ThankAMarine is a plant…..he will make no concrete decision. THAT IS THE GAME. Endless questions meant to plant doubts.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am
yes, and diversion with other topics like religion and jews and preaching and stuff.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am
The towers? That’s even easier. First, the assholes put it on the money in sequential order. Second, they planned it as an inside joke on 911 cause it’s the number for emergency. The investigation began on 411- # for information.
Put options and insider profiteering.
“Elevator shaft maintenance” 2 weeks prior to 911?
William Rodrieguz, and hundreds of other credible witnesses testify of explosions and injuries prior to any plane impact, a thousand ft. below impact zone.
MARVIN BUSH WAS IN CHARGE OF WTC.
Even if I give you the first plane, what about the second one? It flew in over the bay where it could have been easily shot down. FAA, NORAD, and Pentagon(gram) had over an hour of advanced notice.
Bush said he saw the first plane hit the tower? (Come on people!)
After impacts, everything below impact zone is fine- no damage. The supposed “weight”, is the exact same weight that had always been held, and black smoke indicates a dying fire. Yet somehow, the buldings “collapse” in a huge pyroplasmic cloud into the path of most resistance other than falling upwards. WITH VISIBLE DEMOLITION SQUIBS SEVERAL FLOORS BELOW THE SUPPOSED COLLAPSE LINE. Google video “911 squibs”.
Years later, FAA manifest still lists alleged planes as operational?
A hijackers passport, found on the ground unblemished, in two different locations?
911 commission concludes whoever funded attacks of “No practical signifigance”?
Molten steel under the rubble?
Crime scene evidence swept up in record time and shipped to China?
Gold confiscated by Feds under the towers?
Victims familys remains dumped in potholes and landfill?
Guiliani personally responsible for deaths of over 300+ firefighters, yet “hero” of 911?
Pat Tillman?
Totally inconsistent mainstream video footage? Google video “911 octopus” and fake witnesses?
Riechstag? Herman Ghoering?
Operation Northwoods?
I could go on all day, but heres the grand finale-
THE SOLOMON BROTHERS BUILDING AKA WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 AKA THE SMOKING GUN 47 STORY 610 FT HIGH STEEL FRAME BUIDING NEVER HIT BY AN AIRPLANE.
#1 First steel frame building to collapse from fire in history
#2 OKC half gutted by a bomb, no collapse?
#3 Collapse was literally at free fall speed.
#4 Building housed several government agencies including FBI and CIA
#5 Critical ENRON documents lost in WTC7 “collapse”.
#6 Visible squibs
#7 BBC fucks up announcing collapse at 5:00pm EST, (building collapsed at 5:20pm EST) whoops
#8 NEVER HIT BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE WAKE THE FUCK UP
#9 Hundreds of structural engineers, scientists, pilots, senior military personel, celebrities, and more http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
#10 OIL MAFIA. Motive= profits/control http://www.waterpoweredcar.com
March 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am
great post, Gabriel.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
That ain’y always diversion Frank, sometimes religion, in the context of prophecy is integral to the intent and modus operandi of the perpetrators and crucial to demonstrate the scriptures accuracy.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I know they had prior knowledge Fred. But they SAID they didn’t, which is just another lie. They of course try to use the buffer excuse, or playing golf. But it’s all bullshit. Half of the victims families believe 911 was an inside job. And so do many firefighters. But that’s not how the corporate media spins it, of course. When they shut us down on the internet, it’s time to make like Elvis and “rock n roll” if you guys catch my drift.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am
might be.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
MCCAIN HISTORY:
The LIBERTY was the most heavily damaged ship in modern history including WWII.
We did not receive any help from our government for 18 hours after the attack when help was only 15 – 20 minutes away. Why was our government willing to sacrifice 294 American sailors, marines and the finest intelligence ship in the world? That’s what we all were wondering. A few days later, Admiral Isaac Kidd came aboard our ship and ordered every crewman never to speak a word about what happened to us to other crewmen, parents, family, no one under penalty of prison or worse and we all knew what worse meant.
We took the ship to Malta. The dead were removed from the torpedo space and the ship was repaired and painted to look brand new, as if nothing had ever happened.
I stayed silent for many years. I was so afraid to say anything as was the rest of the crew. In about 1983-1984 I read a book called “Assault on the Liberty” by James Ennes Jr., an intelligence officer onboard when we were attacked. I began asking questions of the navy, congress, anyone I could write to find out answers to a simple question – why our government went along with the cover-up as it is still doing today. The standard answer you get from congress is there have already been many investigations which is a bold face lie and I have told them that. All you have to do is check the congressional record and you will see there has never been any investigation except for the sham Board of Inquiry which was a white wash and only took 6 days to complete. Isaac Kidd signed off on it as did Captain Ward Boston, Admiral John McCain Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson all in a matter of 10 days. The conclusion? Mistaken identity!! Captain Boston has recanted what was in the Board of Inquiry as a pack of lies. He was ordered to sign off by none other than Admiral John McCain Jr., Senator McCain’s father.
The fact is we were set up to sink fast, blame it on Egypt and bring the U.S. into the war. This was the deal made by our government and the Israeli Government. This government will not help us get the truth out. They are knee-deep in bed with the Israeli Lobby, AIPAC and every other Israeli interest out there. Our elected officials sold us out then and they are still selling us out now. Israel is committing war crimes on Americans and our government could care less. This country is not “We the Government” it is “We the People” and if we don’t take our government back soon it is nobody’s fault but our own.
FULL STORY: http://ussliberty.wordpress.co.....holocaust/
March 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Your welcome Frank, always trying to help. No matter how many facts we post, or videos we show people, some people will always find a way to rationalize what is plain simple truth and facts, into something else. These same idiots even try to rationalize that government secrecy is “GOOD”. And we need it.
Skull n fuck, illuminassholes, Builderbitches, committee of 300 dickheads, Bohemian scum, RIIA, Council on foriegn conspiracy, United enslaved nations, Clump of Rome, Fuckedmasonry, it doesnt matter. They don’t care. Secret societies infest our Republic, but they don’t understand the danger, and they don’t care.
All they really care about is rationalizing and justifying everything, and seeing only what they want to see, and maintaining their comfort zones.
The next false flag attack, will be blamed on someone else AGAIN. And Americans will cry
“revenge!!!!” locked down on red alert in their plastic lawn track homes, while FEMA conducts the food rationing and house to house gun confiscations.
Till then, they will swipe their plastic cards, watch FOX, regurgitate “love it or leave it” to anyone who dares to question the snakes in suits who hijacked our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, wash the car, renew the insurance, refinance, spend $ and bitch about imports, stand like fucking brain dead lemmings in front of the DIEBOLD machines pulling the handle hoping to get 3 cherries, vaccinate their kids with poison and consume MSG/flouride/aspartame, breath the chemtrails, attend the 501c3 grain bin sheeple steeple while the preacher passes the plate, preaches prosperity scriptures, and pumps the tithe, while marinating the sheeple in Romans 13, and when the wifes at work and the kids play video games, whack off to internet porn in high def.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I am laughing to myself after reading the inane ramblings of “ThankaMarineForYourFreedom.” He personifies the old saying that I’ll paraphrase – There’s a sucker born every minute.” His grasp of the English language and his ability to spell indicate that he is obviously somewhat intelligent. However, its unfortunate that he doesn’t utilize his brain for anything except memorization of propaganda to regurgitate in forums such as this. Were it not so pathetic, it would be amusing.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Sputnik. Thank a marine is funny huh? I find him amusing myself. He doesn’t seem ill intended. I think most of us have taken a liking to him, and have sort of adopted him here at infowars. If I had served in the marines, I would probably feel uncomfortable learning this stuff too.
Marine is the guy sitting in alcoholics anonymous, who listens, and speaks, but still doesn’t know yet wether or not he is really an alcoholic. LOL
March 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Cha-Ching!
March 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Although ……I’m not anymore comfortable when I don’t know where the children are or what they are doing. Shift change should come soon.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Thankamarine is a government shill. I’m glad he’s here because then it gives folks like Gabriel a platform to debunk him. Everything Gabriel says is true and can be verified with a quick Google search.
I think the next false flag is the engineered destruction of our economy. $109 oil. $1.55 Euro = .645 dollar. Banks broke. Homes foreclosed. No good jobs for Americans. 2 to 1 GDP deficit with China. Food prices doubling. All markets down. This isn’t a cycle or a swing, it’s engineered. Why else would Bernanke drop rates, dump $200 billion into broke banks, badmouth the dollar? Buy gold/ silver. Buy organic seeds.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Our country had a slim chance of redemption with Ron Paul, but you saw the resistance he got going against establishment candidates and the controlled Media. More CFR crap to follow.
USS Liberty; Let’s see here. Candidate Lyndon Johnson steals Senator Coke Stevenson election by vote fraud (I.E. Ballot box 13), orders the assassination of JFK via E. Howard Hunt’s CIA operatives, and orders the USS Liberty sunk by these words ” I want that GOD D*** ship going to the bottom. ” This thief and assassin will have his day of mourning, to be certain. No bad deed goes unpunnished either.
Finally September 11 2001 was staged for sure. I wrote my Congressional Leaders about them sponsoring a bill to re investigate 911. We need to get all these groups to write their Congressman and keep the press on this matter.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Gabe and Sputnik –
First, because I do not believe the inside job theory, does not mean that I do not critically look at the evidence. The big difference here is that I do not make leaps on conjecture alone. That doesn’t mean that something is automatically false because a leap must be made, I just am not convinced enough to make the amount of leaps that you make. But, please do not confuse me with some blind trusting, as you put it, “sheeple.” One thing I learned while serving is that the government is not to be blindly trusted, so on that note we agree. It is only to what degree that we part company.
I also appreciate being adopted by some. lol. It is always good to be wanted, even if out of pity. lol I think there is a shred of truth in your AA analogy. Like I said, I don’t trust the government just because they tell me something, but I cannot get on board with all the other things. The problem I have is there is nowhere that is where I reside. Most either trust everything about the government, or nothing about the government. That is why I have spent a great deal of time talking about ditching all of the conspiracies and focussing on the matters that can bring about a more wide-spread base of support among everyday folk, which is where true momentum for change resides.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Drew, maybe the staged downfall of our economy will be the next false-flag event, but it will be easier to blame a violent false flag event – one that resuts in the death of tens of thousands or millions of people – on some “boogeyman.” Throughout history, 99.9% of the false-flag events have involved people being murdered so their leader can promise to protect them from being murdered if they give up their liberty. It happened in the Roman Empire with Nero. It happened in the 1910s with the attack on the Lusitania to get the US and UK in World War I. It happened with the 1933 Reichstagg Fire and the 1939 Gleiwitz Incident to give Nazi Germany the tyranny they sought out. It happened with the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack (the US didn’t carry it out, but they had prior knowledge). It happened in 1953 with the CIA/MI6 overthrow of Mosaddeq (the same scenario will probably be soon carried out with Chavez in Mosaddeq’s place). It happened in 1963 and 1968 with the assassinations of JFK and RFK. It happened in 1993 with the first WTC attack. It happened in 1995 with the staged Oklahoma City attack. It happened in 2001 with the second WTC attack. It happened in 2004 with the Madrid bombing. And it happened in 2005 with the staged London bombings.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Yes Drew. And don’t forget, THEY arranged the burp of 1908 which justified the illegal creation of the Federal Reserve. Calling it “Federal”, is a blatant lie in itself. It isn’t federal, and there are no reserves. In fact, the Federal reserve act was passed in late December by only 3 assholes in Congress just after midnight, while everyone else was at home on Christmas vacation. The US Constitution does allow us to print and issue money to our own people, free of interest. However, it does NOT allow for trojan horse legislation to force the people into borrowing money from shady assholes like the Rothschild family. Especially because the money they issue isn’t backed up by anything, but the word of shifty politicians who made the membership rosters of a literal salad bar of secret societies who now have a stranglehold on America.
These same assholes, also orchestrated the collapse of the stock market in 1928, by recalling the loans which were purposefully lended at generous qualification standards, to sucker the sheeple even further into the fiat currency scam of the Satanic globalists aristocracy.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Marine. I have been investigating this stuff meticulously for 25+ years now. All I can tell you is, keep researching. No one wants you to leap to any conclusions without solid evidence-
(except Bush n Company) LOL
Watch all of Alex Jones videos on google video for free. Watch “911 press for truth”. Watch “money masters”. Watch “Freedom to facism”. Watch “WACO- rules of engagement”. Watch “The Clinton Chronicles”, watch “Outfoxed”, watch “Votergate”.
Robert Bonner, former head of the DEA admitted on “60 minutes” in 1993 that the CIA runs dope.
I don’t know how much more obvious it gets marine.
None of us want to believe this horrible stuff, but secret government is UNACCEPTABLE.
And politicians violating and destroying the Constitution is UNACCEPTABLE.
Executive order #11000, signed by Clinton, authorizes FEMA to split up families and put them in forced labor camps in the event of an “emergency”.
Directive 51, signed by Bush, allows him to seize presidential powers for an additional 10 years in case of an “emergency”. Or whoever happens to be president at the time.
Also executive orders #10995-12919 allow for seizure and martial law for the entire country. And don’t forget homeland insecurtiy, patriot acts, torture, IT NEVER ENDS.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Yes Drew, ThankAMarine is much too indecisive to be genuine. I think he is planted to keep people wondering. After all the time he has had to research the commission and all the rest and still has no firm decisions speaks for itself.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
ThankAMarine….you are too slow a study. If you are not interested in believing the truth you should not be wasting everyones time with your endless plodding conjectures.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
beware of preachers and military people on this site. like someone just said…”they were planted here to keep people wondering”…fuck off preachers and military personel
March 12th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Thank you EJR. His endless quandary proves the point.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
My advice to you marine, would be to be brave, and research hard, before “Al Qaeda” is brought into service again by the globalists, and your mother, or your sister, or your little brother is taken to a FEMA camp for their “safety”, and a fat guard with a pentagram tattooed on his back runs a nice bead of caulking between their delicate innocent butt cheeks in a rape room.
Proof? Google video “Conspiracy of Silence”. “Dark secrets inside Bohemian Grove”. “Riddles in Stone”, “Kathy O’ Brien”, look up Pam Schuffert. Ted Gunderson. “Kay Griggs”. Michael Aquino (former NSA director/Satanist). Stew Webb. http://www.freeourkids.com
“Bill Schnoebelen”. “Aliester Crowley”.
Study freemasonry and the Illuminati. Also, “Jess Levay”.
The rabbit hole is endless.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
America is the most heavily armed population in the world. There are more guns in the hands of civilians here than the govt. There is no way possible that there going to put us all in concentration camps. A civil war would kill everyone, including the elite. ( yes it’s true, we have more guns than Afghanistan and Iraq.)
March 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Good point leon. I guess the government can just tear down the 800+ empty FEMA camps around the USA, and give us a refund on it, huh? Is your firearm registered leon? If not, i’m calling Infragard on you.
The ATF should be a conveniance store, NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
By the way leon, do you have any source material to support your claim? You didn’t post any…..
March 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.
The only question is whether World Government will be achieved
by conquest or consent.”
Jewish Banker, James Paul Warburg
(1896-1969) son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James’ brother Max, banker to the German government.
Source: while speaking before the US Senate, 2/17/1950
March 12th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
They are all One World Liars Devils & sumbags. The first book I ever read on this was Wall Street & The Bolshevik Revolution & it blew my mind. This was in !976 & at first I had problems with this because it was aganist everything I had been programed with.But when I really woke up & accepted it a few books later I’ve never looked back. God Bless America & down with the NWO. Shamus
March 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
What does is all do?… we need to take action.. action means sending letters directly to congress men and woman(not emails) federal express… tell them that you as an American DEMAND a new INDEPENTANT 911 investigation! We need to take action.. talking about this does not help…. At a minimum it could be proven that the current regime allowed this to happen.. this is enough for criminal proceedings..if they were capable of doing this 7 years ago and they did not have the power that they have now imagine what they are planning next?? We need to all show up on the 2008 truth rally in NYC show the world that this is indeed a serious issue.. if we show up and hit over 6 figures this would help!!! and could avert another potential disaster…
March 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
yeah fuck the military, cops, and religions period!! these assholes more often than not do not give a shit about you and even if in some cases they think they do, they are just too stupid to know any better! they will think FEMA camps are good for you! and these are the people that always refuse to get informed! they’d rather laugh with their thumbs up their asses! don’t try to bring them down with facts and govt. admissions! think positive! enjoy the perfect economy!
enjoy your freedom! don’t whine! work harder! be a good American and spy on your neighbor!
this is a free market economy! sure you may have been laid off! but you have a better job waiting for you with Homeland Security! and when you see one of those evil 9/11 truthers, get angry and say taser that piece of shit and take him to a secret prison!! oh America! or Americo! this is the utopia! put your hand on your chest and sing the national anthem! and if you don’t know the words? don’t worry! just hum it! and if you know the words in english? then learn them in spanish! well this shit shouldn’t be funny! it really shouldn’t!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
ok but please don’t forget Saddam’s unsean cruellty
i.e. Saddam’s hairdresser witnessed-forced to stay calm-how a secretary had widthspoken some of Saddam’s words
so an officer was ordered to take a pliers on Saddam’s command and pulled out one of the secretary’s teeth
beyond imagination!
doctors in hospital immediately cut the ear of the person brought to them by police whithout even thinking twice
fear for their own lives
people were done through a blender
children tortured before their parent’s eyes
sometimes they even pretended to release a prisoner and brought him to hospital where he was
treated well and after recovery
they restarted torturing him
anyone for no reason could find the head of his or her daughter or son
right before the doorstep
I really do not like to describe all this
it is soo disgusting and horrific
but it is a long list
of 100.000 s of such cases
and as I hear people talking as if Saddam was innocent,
I can’t shut my mouth anymore!
he himself was a weapon of mass destruction!
not that I have one good word for the Iraq invasion, the way it went!
of course, for those still alive in dungeons, it did not matter who released them
so as a coincidence there was at least one good side effect to that war from their point of view
(and I am sure there are good service men and women who care for people overthere
no images we see from them!)
but I am getting the impression that Saddam’s ‘handbook’ had found followers in the U.S. now!
to those:
STOP YOUR SINNING SINCE YOU WILL ALL STAND BEFORE YOUR GOD AND BE JUDGED!!!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
My God,no wonder I have difficulties falling asleep.I focus too much on the future because I want to know what to expect so that when it happens I’ll only be half as frightened as the unenlightened.This world is doomed and a one world governemnt is inevitalbe,think not,research the book of revelations thoroughly and watch programs such as tomorrows world on the v channel,sunday nights.My only hope is for Christ to rapture me before the ruthless dicataor reveals himself and begins to slaughter millions of people which refused the number of the beats…
March 12th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Tard secular civilians, without us exmilitary-believers, you would’nt have a clue what’s going to happen and after the balloon goes up, you would’nt know how to handle professional troops.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Once upon a time, in a far away land, there lived a people who were admired and celebrated throughout the land. Alas, people of the world discovered these people who were admired were no angels, but were, and are, the very incarnation of malice, malevolence, and butchery. They not only murdered, robbed, stole, lied to their own people within their own land, (United States), and to their own people (Americans), but exported their culture of butchery to far away lands. However, recently, that is from the year 2000 a.d., their vaunted culture founded on butchery has been elevated to fine art. With their superior media, and superior technology, they have midwifed a lie
so rich, and so strident, Nazi Germany would have been envious of their achievements.
But wait a minute. Are they not Nazi Germans reborn in the new world? Aren’t Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld of German heritage. And aren’t they terrorizing their own people with bogus threats to goad them into foreign wars based on lies? And wasn’t that how the Nazi German Government lead its own people into a meat grinder to come…and wait, isn’t the present U.S. Government composed of the children who not only admired the very Nazis they are, but were in fact their biological heirs. What is the saying? You can take the German out of Nazism, but you can’t take Nazism out of the German. Now, isn’t it interesting that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfelfd are all of German Heritage?
You Americans thought you have beaten the Nazis in WWII. In fact, they have buried themselves into the very tissue of your American flesh and have become like a grotesque running tumor that has become a festering narcosis, like a flesh eating disease, to turn America on itself. The Nazis are reborn, and they are called Your Government. And they are You. Beware, that your fate should not become the fate of Nazi Germany where your leaders, like those of Germany will be hunted as war criminals and when captured, jailed and even executed. Can you see Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld do to themselves what Hitler did to himself to avoid capture? I hope you Americans have enough courage and wisdom among you to excise this Nazi tumor from your midst, before your Nazi Government in your name challenges the world, and the world will do to you, what you and your allies did to Nazi Germany.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
The truth about the attacks of 9-11 continues to bleed out, ebbing and flowing, but constantly forming a larger and larger pool of blood that is staining the entire U.S. elite, the government, and, through them, we ourselves, the people. It is slowly penetrating the dense, obtuse, distracted American consciousness, but it is anyone’s guess whether it will penetrate enough and in time to waken the country and prevent the jaws of totalitarianism from closing completely on the collective throat of the American people. My guess is that it will not, and Americans will have to endure what we have long imposed on peoples all over the world while hypocritically pretending to foster “democracy” and “freedom.” It would only be just, after all. Of course, I still hope, but I have less and less reason to.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:58 am
An European Voize, just a short note.
Saddam was propped up by the USA and supplied with everything needed to suppress his people and wage war against Iran. As long as he was gassing Iranians all was well. The companies that supplied the “machinery” needed to wage chemical war were American and European.
Again, as long as his victims were communists and Iranians and other “undesirable” elements by USA standards nobody spoke up or batted an eyelash. On the contrary, they made tons and tons of money with him.
he was quickly, and conveniently. Had he been allowed to speak openly, although he would of course not have been exonerated, he would have risked exposing the devious butchers that later put him down.
March 13th, 2008 at 7:29 am
An European Voize, just a short note.
Saddam was propped up by the USA and supplied with everything needed to suppress his people and wage war against Iran. As long as he was gassing Iranians all was well. The companies that supplied the “machinery” needed to wage chemical war were American and European.
Again, as long as his victims were communists and Iranians and other “undesirable” elements by USA standards nobody spoke up or batted an eyelash. On the contrary, they made tons and tons of money with him.
he was quickly, and conveniently hanged. Had he been allowed to speak openly, although he would of course not have been exonerated, he would have risked exposing the devious butchers that later put him down.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
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December 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
As a portly woman plodded ahead of him on the sidewalk, the obese mayor of America’s fattest and unhealthiest city explained why health is not a big local issue.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Yeah, Saddam Hussein didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. He gassed thousands of his own citizens with talcum powder. He didn’t know Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden’s family construction business just built his palaces. Sunni and Shia Muslims compete for power, but they would never unite against us infidels, or keep us busy/kill off our military with radiation/disease as they conquer Africa for Islam. The United Nations isn’t just politics on a worldwide scale, they just bought Iraqi oil only to feed hungry Iraqi babies. Ignorance is only bliss until it is too late to wise up.