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    John Markoff
    The New York Times
    February 16, 2009

    Editor’s note: According to Markoff, the internet is so flawed and clogged with viruses, the only solution is to scrap it and start over. He suggests a “gated community” where users give up their anonymity and freedom in return for safety. Sounds like the same version of the internet our rulers have in mind.

    Two decades ago a 23-year-old Cornell University graduate student brought the Internet to its knees with a simple software program that skipped from computer to computer at blinding speed, thoroughly clogging the then-tiny network in the space of a few hours.

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    The program was intended to be a digital “Kilroy Was Here.” Just a bit of cybernetic fungus that would unobtrusively wander the net. However, a programming error turned it into a harbinger heralding the arrival of a darker cyberspace, more of a mirror for all of the chaos and conflict of the physical world than a utopian refuge from it.

    Since then things have gotten much, much worse.

    Bad enough that there is a growing belief among engineers and security experts that Internet security and privacy have become so maddeningly elusive that the only way to fix the problem is to start over.

    What a new Internet might look like is still widely debated, but one alternative would, in effect, create a “gated community” where users would give up their anonymity and certain freedoms in return for safety. Today that is already the case for many corporate and government Internet users. As a new and more secure network becomes widely adopted, the current Internet might end up as the bad neighborhood of cyberspace. You would enter at your own risk and keep an eye over your shoulder while you were there.

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    83 Responses to “New York Times Calls for Internet 2”

    1. Darth Chaos Says:

      The article also calls for a “digital Pearl Harbor” – aka a cyber-9/11 – to be used as a pre-text to not only usher in Internet2 but also force all internet users to have internet licenses just to access the web. Remember last year that Lawrence Lessig said that there will be an i-9/11 and an i-PATRIOT Act.

      http://darthchaosofrspw.wordpr.....ork-times/

      Arrested Truth Reply:

      dude wtf???
      enough already, we know, in fact most of us had seen the f---ing vid weeks before you even placed your posts.
      i admire your tenacity but please stop now
      by acting like your stuck on stupid only discredits your cause bro, maybe change tact a bit??

    2. luggnutz Says:

      I’d take my chances anyday on a dark flawed net1, then trust net2 and give up freedom. Let them leave us net1, and get a band of hackers together as a security corp to defend against net2. I see it now, netwars and truthwars. An idiot can figure out a program ( virus) should have been written long ago to wander the net gobbling up and eating ALL OTHER VIRUSES then eats itself out at the end. 2 or 3 passes, there’d be no more wandering viruses. But I know, ya can’t sell antivirus software upgrades EVERY YEAR if you do that!!!

      Whammo Reply:

      This is what happens when you get your understanding of computers by watching “The Matrix”.

    3. Andrew Jackson Says:

      every time a naive american tells me that the USA is free i want to punch him/her in the face. our government wants total control of everything…and that’s not freedom people!

      here is another example i found. new hampshire is trying to pass legislation that will make it illegal to drink more than one beer per hour in a bar. here is the link:

      http://wbztv.com/newhampshire

    4. Ken Says:

      This is ridiculous.
      It’s not about security, it’s about the fact that people are moving to alternative media in groves!

      The major media are loosing market share and getting desperate!
      The government’s propaganda is not as effective as it used to be, so they want it too.

      CFR & NWO Destroyer Reply:

      Exactly ken….and what is even sadder is that there are some people who will STILL believe what the government says even after they continue to strip away our power to defend ourselves and gain knowledge!

      David Reply:

      - Because the ‘they’ have done such a great job in instilling the belief in the masses that the mainstream & governments have believeable authority…

      ie: Your news authority….

    5. internet1vsinternet2 Says:

      http://it.slashdot.org/article.....15/2114216

    6. when does it end Says:

      i mean it is each day something new is being taken away ….

      when doe sit end?

      Im ready to do something..we need a a gathering start forming groups to protest ,..we need to become activated together

      Mina Reply:

      Whan, where, how?

      2bwise Reply:

      If I had the software I could get things started It only cost $70 bucks & I got all the time in the world. I’ve just had to live off my moms income because of a crippled knee. If you want to help me then e-mail me at talkativejd@netzero.net

      think for youself Reply:

      go to a different web site to beg people for money you pathetic peace of s---, i bet you cant wait for obama to redistribute the wealth, my birthday wish this year is for everyone with your mindset to go out and kill themselves

      CFR & NWO Destroyer Reply:

      exactly man i a movement is impossible to defend against….can you imagine if everybody who was awake stormed the white house? there are more of us out here than people know and if we just came together with unity it would all work out!

      P.S. f---ing hilarious how you called that guy a pathetic piece of s---…i almost spit out my water i was drinking LOL

      TEX Reply:

      EASY–LIGHT’IN UP CLOWNS
      OH YEA ENJOY THE WATER I PISSED IN IT
      AND THE FISH f---ED IN IT.

    7. SHENK Says:

      I now more than ever love to be informed but if this Internet 2 is achieved then I’ll simply cancel it, sacrifices have to be made sometimes…

    8. A.L.Ex N.E.T.A Says:

      HOUSEHOLD internet wasn’t AROUND two decades ago so it had to be someone in Government.

    9. h5mind Says:

      I worked for years in data networking and discovered early on that the only hack-proof network was one which was physically separate from everything else. Even then, most networks are a single disgruntled network technician away from breach from within the firewall. The Virtual Private Network type of encryption employed today merely encodes data passing across shared copper and fiber optic infrastructure, and none of it is hack-proof. You can even buy sniffers which grab data as it passes by on fiber optics. The very same cheap interoperability of the internet protocol (IPv4) that allows your Apple PC to read web pages on a LINUX server is at the heart of this vulnerability. IPv6 was introduced more as a means to allow the creation of many more IP addresses and hence more users on the web, rather than security per se. But if you think PC networks are flimsy, take a look at the telephone networks– they’re even worse. A single phone tap at a credit card company would rake in thousands of unsuspecting users’ data (i.e’, “Mr. Smith, in order to verify the account, could you give me your mother’s maiden name?” etc). Imagine if the public realized that identity theives could tap lines as easily as does the government? No doubt, our elected officials will soon encourage or create a ‘cyber attack” to invent a pretext for more Draconian laws to limit our access to and freedom across the Internet, as China does today.

      think for youself Reply:

      WELL SAID!!!

    10. HillbillyJihad&TheBubbaLiberationFront Says:

      Luggnutz: I’ll take your lead on that!!! Ken: Good point…the GOV. propaganda machine is limping around saying it’s NOT wounded!!! BuLLLs---!!! They’ve been Zero’d and they know it!!! The 2N’d shot is just for chuckles!!! G’Day!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”

    11. Jeff Says:

      The light at the end of the tunnel is that..as stated in the last paragraph of that article, that endeavor is virtually impossible. Im not a techi guy, but i think the internet has grown to large to contain ala the truth movement. Any internet scholars on here that can back that up? Its simple in my mind, 1st off this will do NOTHING to stop us. Ill simply cancel my service and then take to the streets and even door to door as i have done already. When in war you counter your opponents attack. This is further evidence that their whole s--- house is going up in flames. They are a desperate lot throwing out all the stops.

      Ted Reply:

      I find it very unlikely that people will allow this to happen, even those that are not aware or do not believe in any conspiracies. It’s just too all-encompassing and it would be very disuptive to business on top of that. These media goons can keep on dreaming.

    12. TVOR Says:

      I’ve always thought that many viruses are created by the companies that sell the antivirus programs. It would be very easy for them to pay computer geeks under the table / off the radar to create new viruses that the antivirus company can then sell us their program to combat.

      By the way, beware of “finallyfast.com” by Ascentive Software if you see it advertised on TV or email in your area. That is a scam whereby you pay roughly $30 to download their software to clean up registry and other errors on your computer and make it run ‘better than new”. When you download their software it does nothing to speed up your computer, but rather imbeds a trojan virus onto your computer allowing them to hijack your computer (bot) to send mass advertising emails advertising “Ascentive software” products.

      I did a quick search and discovered that “Ascentive software” is based in Philadelphia and also does….Wait for it….Bail bonds…

      Bail bonds and software development?? Philadelphia?? I wonder who might be behind that…

      Sir Baby De Porky Reply:

      They also sell deodorant !?!

      sam Reply:

      It would surprise me either. It would also explain why the companies come to the rescue so fast after one of the viral epidemics.

    13. uncleeddie Says:

      Australia has a more Orwellian approach. Torture the users by filters that slow the speed of the Internet. Then the bottom feeders can beg for a new government controlled Internet. A major brainwashing campaign will be used here by liars like Markoff who know there is nothing wrong with the Internet, except that giant Multinationals don’t own it. People with anything beyond an ape level intelligence prefer the web to the ridiculously progagandized MSM. The shameful way the New York Times reports and non reports the news is the main reason people who won’t let others define their thought patterns are increasingly rejecting newspapers like the Times. A very modest amount of computer knowledge, a little caution and anti-virus software makes the web anything but a problem. Slaves need not worry however since this evil monster known as the Internet can be replaced by a corporate controlled and taxed version that will keep you safe and sound from the big bad world out there.

    14. internet1vsinternet2 Says:

      Britain Lets Police Hack PCs Without Warrants

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476904,00.html

    15. virtualk Says:

      It’s just another money grabbing idea they want to implement and force us onto.
      SQUEEZE the public more and more and more. I’ll take the old Internet any day.

    16. Darth Chaos Says:

      “I’ve always thought that many viruses are created by the companies that sell the antivirus programs.”

      ZoneAlarm is now owned by Check Point Software, which is a Mossad front. ZoneAlarm “phones home”, so when you use ZionAlarm, Mossad knows where you’ve been.

    17. Sir Baby De Porky Says:

      The old technique of throwing you in jail , to make sure you’re safe !!!

    18. Max Says:

      New York Times can go f--- themselves! They are one of the biggest traitors in the whole country and people should remember that when the s--- hits the fan.

      Arrested Truth Reply:

      i was wondering why someone hasnt posted that as i was going over comments. well done Max! at least you are remembering how these f---ers have acted.
      this statement from them is just one more nail in their coffin as the balloon goes up.
      i hope a mail room guy fraggs the entire boardroom one day

    19. ICE FARMER Says:

      Its really nice to have a government that cares about my saftey, not!
      They want to find a way to tax it. They want to find a way to watch it. They want to find a way to silence us. They want to find a way to exploit, anything.
      Its the 9-0’s and above against the 6-0’s and below (the mega wealthy who control the government, against us). The middle class is the 7’s and 8’s now, who knows what side they are on.

      think for youself Reply:

      haha indeed, i am not a fan of Reagan but i really like this quote of his, its “I think the scariest worlds in the English language are, *im from the government and im here to help*” or something close to that.

    20. 4w578i Says:

      “What a new Internet might look like is still widely debated, but one alternative would, in effect, create a ‘gated community’ where users would give up their anonymity and certain [essential] freedoms in return for safety.”

      “The program was intended to be a digital “Kilroy Was Here.” Just a bit of cybernetic fungus that would unobtrusively wander the net.”

      Obsessive tracking overburdens internet, makes everyone unsafe. Everyone hates it.

      Solution: In our name, build internet which tracks everything.

    21. Abashira Says:

      Say “YES” to the Internet.
      Say “YES” to Freedom.

      Say “NO” to Internet 2.
      Internet 2 is a violation of the USA Constitution.

      Anyone who backs Internet 2 is a “TRAITOR”!!!

      Arrested Truth Reply:

      seems close enough to righteous

    22. R.U.R. Says:

      REPENT.UNITE.RESIST.

    23. Randolph Grant Says:

      YOu can call Rick Wesson, the guy who is saying there is a digital pearl harbor on the way at (415) 865-0853

      Please be ploite to Mr. Wesson, but let him know you are against IpV6 as it will take the internet away from the people and put it in the hands of corporations thus killing the free speech and only allowing approved and establishment points of view to be expressed online.

    24. one Says:

      You bet, they can`t lure any advertizing because the public goes to internet one for the truth.

    25. theDewk Says:

      I can see it everywhere and I guess it’s good-bye to having a choice. Mark Cuban we need you to start internet 3

      Blind Watchmaker Reply:

      That’s a great idea.

    26. 1patroit Says:

      When you The US Government lets this happen we will tale no matter who you are out of there an Gitmo is your last stopyou criminal bastards are scum and need executed you let all this happen because your pussies how do they get in whitehouse if they do blow them away any criminal can be stopped the masses all know this now we have films tens of millions pieces of materal we are handing out everyday so you lost asshole we will be shutting all airports down no one flies in or out we will conduct the dc &ny round up all we do is wait now

      Blind Watchmaker Reply:

      That doesn’t make any sense. Executed? If we don’t care about the justice system, why should they? I think you should seriously reconsider that kind of thinking.

    27. Hm? Says:

      Is Internet 2 only commercial thing?
      Like you have to pay to get there and be there?

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      Arrested Truth Reply:

      dude- stop…….. really!

      n/a Reply:

      anti-christ = pope :)

    29. TVOR Says:

      I was told recently that Macs are completely virus-proof, right off the shelf. I haven’t researched that claim yet, but I’m going to look into it.

      Anyone else ever heard that?

      I know very little about Macintosh as I have only used PCs and Windows

      Rich Reply:

      Who told you that? What a pile of crock, I hope it wasn’t the staff at the Mac store. Macs only have less exposure to viruses that’s all…mostly due to the fact that they have a vastly smaller market share than PC’s do.

      Ken Reply:

      Once you go Mac you’ll never go back.

      Ken Reply:

      Thanks to a UNIX based operating system Macs DON’T EVER CRASH, only the program that is in use under taxing CPU usage will shut down. C++ GUI IS unstable.

      Corporate Death Reply:

      I crashed Macs so often in the 90’s we called ‘em “crashintosh”.

      Ken Reply:

      http://www.macnn.com/articles/.....urpass.ms/

      TVOR Reply:

      Just a friend of mine. LOL, nope – I know better than to believe sales people.

      Ken Reply:

      Macs use a UNIX based operating system that makes them invulnerable to viruses that are designed to run on windows operating systems (C++ GUI, a highly unstable code to begin with). The same goes for Linux, totally invulnerable to any virus attack. It all has to do with the programing code that is used as your operating system.
      I’ve had an iMac for three years now and have yet to catch a virus on my system. 99% of viruses are designed for running on a windows system.

      Ted Reply:

      I’ve used Windows for 12 years and I’ve only had a virus twice. Once on purpose because I wanted to try out a trojan. I think the main reason for viruses spreading are a combination of internet newbies that click on everything and the huge Windows security holes. The solution to this problem would be personal responsibility, ie. think before you click!

      Ken Reply:

      Don’t let the NWO mongers scare you into believing that the current internet is a dangerous place for your computer and that there is not enough bandwidth to support the flow of information on it.
      Do yourself a favor and buy an iMac or install Linux on your current PC. The only reason that windows is in such wide use is because it’s sooo cheap to get a PC with it installed on it.
      By the way… The school district in my city only allows their schools to use iMacs just for the very reason that PCs are prone to malicious software (viruses).

      Arrested Truth Reply:

      no do your self a bigger favor and take the money you were goin to get a mac with and buy ……food,guns and ammo and survival gear!
      this whole idea that I2 is coming is more distraction brain candy – keep you mind on the present.
      we are going to be in the streets before I2 becomes important!

    30. Pete Snidal Says:

      The time is getting CLOSE to get an FTA (FreeToAir) satellite system up and running. Less than
      200 bucks will put (another ?) dish on your house and give you 24/7 access to GCN, RBN, and a host of other alternate radio networks, as well as lots of TV – like Russia Today, PressTV, Al-Jazeera, and a mess of good stuff. All for no monthly charge; one-time fee of buying the hardware and doing the installation. Search FTA TV for more info – while you still have a web to search with!

      I listen to Alex every morning and I don’ need no freekin’ internet to do it!

      Blind Watchmaker Reply:

      We would still need the internet for reference materials.

      Arrested Truth Reply:

      yes that is true – but if this happens before we are shooting back per say, this would be one more level of control for them and could be the last straw…and would be deemed not important anyway.

      we need to stop acting like we have got a lot of time to deal with things like this, it is an illusion and we do not have much more time before the ballon goes up guys

      Corporate Death Reply:

      We do not need any more references. The race has been called. A duck is a duck.

      Are you in?

    31. paul Says:

      The Internet calls for a New York Times 2.0, one without all the bulls---.

      As a person intimately familiar with security, the whole thing is FINE, the weakest point of internet security is the user, as it is supposed to be.

    32. roaddog Says:

      I see this as a ploy to quarantine people. Cut everybody from each other so not to spread information. Like cutting supply lines. Just one more way of surrounding us and making us dependent on them (they think). Keep us in the dark and feed us s---.

      Blind Watchmaker Reply:

      I see it as an attempt by the telecom and corporate web industries to force people to spend money on them. I’m not really seeing this as an attempt to shut out the kind of info on this site but instead to make it so that you have to pay (them) to play. They like money. They don’t care about free speech one way or the other so long as lots of money is involved.

    33. ibram Says:

      Its interesting, im totally opposed to this kind of (effectively) restrictive movement on the net with you being traced all over the place. that said it wont be hard to break the system. Hackers and the like will have proxy servers and subnet/ip masks that’ll keep your Anonymity to a high level. Whenever they release this new software the slackers dont make it properly i.e. why does everything need to be patched so often? not because its a brand new update, instead it was not implemented earlier on. More complicated the software the easier it is to manipulate and crash.

      There will always be an alternative. Hell they said Vista couldnt be cracked and its fully downloadable from bittorents. This is one where the younger generation shine at i.e. the tech age

      Blind Watchmaker Reply:

      That’s why there has to be a base for the things not capable of being in the corporate system, like, for example, “Mark Cuban’s internet 3″, as someone suggested earlier.

      That way people wouldn’t have to go through too much trouble to figure out how to access this kind of information.

    34. Will702 Says:

      Just get an apple computer and you are set man! at least that’s my experience. I used to have a pc and every other day I used to get a stupid virus, I guess in part it was my fault for not getting anti-virus… (It’s costly). My point is that there is other solutions out there instead of gay ass internet 2 which I’m sure it will be implemented. Don’t mean to be negative, but there is this stupid ass sheep out there that will take poison for food.

      JewAgainstZionism Reply:

      Exactly. The NWO scum have never liked Steve Jobs, and he doesn’t like them. That’s why they kept trying to get rid of him, and eventually kicked him out of Apple for a while. That’s also why he and Bill Gates are enemies (used to be friends). It’s sad because he’s starting to get really sick. I wonder if there is something more than meets the eye in that, like they are trying to kill him off so that Al Gore and the guy from Pepsi can run the company.

      Windows was purposefully designed to be unsecured and filled with security holes for this very reason. Microsoft has almost unlimited resources vs. apple and still can’t make a secure OS compared to Linux or OS X? Yeah right. If you run a windows box, you might as well just mail your computer off to the closest “fusion center” as you’re wide open… not to mention viruses.

      ByteM3 Reply:

      Maybe if MAC had over 85% of the market share they would be a bigger target for viruses. Have you ever considered that hackers don’t waste time on things people won’t notice? let’s just do the math – (Microsoft 85%, that leaves 15% for Mac and Linux) I’m just talking about the desktop market share, so before all the Linux guys jump in I want to clarify. I use Linux for most high-end server builds, and I love it. I also think Mac makes a great machine, I just think that it’s really trendy for yuppie kids to take their $2200 Mac book to the Starbucks coffee and talk s---, that they don’t understand, about MS. All I’m saying is if you want to put a Mac against a MS machine then let’s put it against one of equal value, and then let’s see the results.

    35. LuckyOne Says:

      FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS GOOD AND CRUNCHY, WILL YOU STOP WITH THE *#&$^% ANGELS!!! YOU’VE BEEN DOING THIS ON EVERY (BEEPING) PAGE!

      Corporate Death Reply:

      Apparently, this dude is anti-angel.

      The angel must’ve f-ed ‘im up too!

    36. off_thegrid Says:

      Use Linux.

    37. David Says:

      Yeah… The government is so flawed and scrapped with CORRUPTION and has manipulatted Humanity for CENTURIES… – It’s time we scrap it altogether and build a REAL by the people government, and NOT these PATHETIC, DRACONIAN inbred ‘people’ who are the ones that should be behind bars!

    38. Kyle Says:

      “Any Society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

      Benjamin Franklin

    39. NYDB Says:

      Just some random thoughts here to fix the problem:

      There _IS_ another way– In the “old days” before the Internet and web browsers, there were “Bulletin Board Systems”– (BBS)– These worked over the standard telephone lines using modems. The BBS systems (for the most part) disappeared as the Internet became the better price/performance deal. This “BBS” type of system could be resurrected (using the Internet-2 in whatever form it takes as gateways to transfer traffic long distances). We could take the source code of one of these older systems, and then modify it to use only encrypted connections. In essence, it would be an “Internet-1″ network on top of the “Internet-2″ network– Thus reversing any notion of controlling anything or identifying anyone (if that was desired). What would be needed would be a vast array of servers (with multi-line modem connections)– operated and maintained by local people. Probably, they would have to charge an ISP fee to pay for the whole thing (multiple phone lines are NOT cheap!)– BUT, it would be un-censored. There should be a backup system if the Internet-2 is taken down– for example phone lines, microwave links, radio links, satellite links, etc to transfer the data long distances. In fact, the local connections could be made by 802.11n WiFi– just have these (like “cells”) in a grid all over the local area– then no phone lines would be needed to connect to the local server– (though you _could_ still have some modem lines if you want, for those people that are out of WiFi range).

      Anyway, maybe this isn’t the right answer. There are a lot of very smart people out there that would be able to route-around the Internet-2. This could be done by using existing technology– just used in clever ways in which it was not originally intended…

      Comments?

    40. n/a Says:

      what i was thinking :) – just use linux…

    41. n/a Says:

      please stop with the posting the same comment and posting new…. :)

      n/a Reply:

      I mean post something new…

    42. dicktater Says:

      “He suggests a “gated community” where users give up their anonymity and freedom in return for safety.”

      I’ve got a better idea. How about a Bill.Gatesless community. A little less Web 2.0, waste my f---ing bandwidth and processor, flash eye-candy dogs--- wouldn’t hurt either.

      Are you listening, Kurt? Employing so much of this crap just makes you an unwitting tool of Force Consumers Into Perpetual Upgrade Loop To Maintain Our Bottom Line Computers and s---ware, Inc.

    43. ByteM3 Says:

      I have heard stories of a new generation internet called The Grid. But even that was only referring to the ground work, meaning using all fiber and dramatically increasing bandwidth. This article seems bogus to me because it makes the internet sound like a place rather than inter-linked-networks. Scraping it would be impossible because much of it still uses the existing telecom network; you would have to “scrap” the telephone network too, and even if you did computers are made to communicate. Anywhere there is more than one machine connecting via copper, fiber, or wireless frequencies you have a network. Also, the birth of a new internet…without viruses??? Machines get viruses, not the billions of routers and switches that supply the traffic with a destination and route, or the billions of miles of copper and fiber, but the PC itself. Lets compare that to a human virus for conversation sake – “we are going to re-structure all of the sidewalks in America because too many people get colds.”…sounds funny when you hear it that way, but that is basically what they are saying in this article. The internet is not a person, place or thing, and you cannot see it smell it or touch it.

      Sorry for the rant, articles like this strike a sensitive chord with me. They play on peoples fear of computers and lack of understanding of technology…and I think thats just cruel!

    44. Darth Chaos Says:

      URGENT! Now Howard Stern is calling for Internet2 using the perceived threat of a “digital Pearl Harbor”, which will most likely be staged by the DoD.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joqWVOaFu3g

      Translation: Howard Stern wants the Department of Defense to launch a false-flag cyberattack on the internet in order to silence the alternative media who are taking away listeners from establishment shills such as Howard Stern.