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New York Times Hypes Border Violence by “Rogue Militia”
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JESSE McKINLEY and MALIA WOLLAN
The New York Times
June 27, 2009
The New York Times
June 27, 2009
Editor’s note: The Department of Homeland Security’s report on “rightwing extremism” assesses that “right-wing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence.”
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Multiple gunshots are then heard on a tape of the call.
The woman, Gina Gonzalez, survived the attack after arming herself with her husband’s handgun, but both he and their 10-year-old daughter died.
The killings, last month, have terrified this small town near the Mexican border, in part because the authorities have now tied them to what they describe as a rogue group engaged in citizen border patrols.
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June 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
wow thats crazy . but we all saw it coming.
AGuy Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
aww you took my first :O
jon Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:18 am
wow these murderers are ruining our info revolution. We will be targeted because there are dumbasses out there who choose to kill people when they get angry. Our revolution must be a peaceful one! The day we become violent is the day we become just like them, and we lose.
TheGhost Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:44 am
or maybe youre just a pussy
Patriot_in_Arms Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
How many of you guys on here, are members of your local, or State Militias? If you really want to do something, & be prepared, then do as your forefathers demanded, & join the Militia! This was an order, not a suggestion! I’m not talking about the Washington run National Guard either. If you read, in the Constitution, you’ll find that the Militias are not to be sent off of U.S. soil, nor be at the command of the President, unless there were a major emergency! So the second the Government sent the NG overseas, they became nothing more than a branch of the U.S. Military. This is very important, that you guys on here, especially those who own riffles, seek out the closest Militia to you, & start training. There are plenty of legitimate Militias out there who are not Neo-Nazi’s, or Goobers in uniforms, that are in place to be called out by the Governors of your respective States. This is not only the solution to an out of control Government, but the training you receive, may just save you & your families live one day. Our Framers set the Militias up to be a counter part to our Military. But of course, with all the lies, & covering up of our true history, the Government & Media have demonized the Militias, to be seen as nothing of importance, or necessity, but instead a dangerous group of radicals! However, our framers knew that this Government, like all Governments before it, would one day turn on the people who it’s suppose to serve. This is the reason for our 2nd Amendment, & Militias of the People, because there has never been a Government in history, that has not turned their guns on their own public! Join now, or die a slave!!!!!!!!
4w578i Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
What murderers?
reconmarine Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm
We must not resist to exist. We must be slaves. Cattle are happy, remember.
Captain Trips Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
And the hits just keep on coming!
Prescot Steve Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Jon you shill.
DErAngeD Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:45 am
how did these wildhaired crazies become militia? i know some militai people, and they would never alow these kinds of people in. propaganda anyone?
jim cunningham Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
what isn’t anymore.
Terrance Philpse Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Has anyone considered the possibility that these individuals areNOT militia?
This could be another covert operation either set up or used to unjustly accuse a group in order to demonize the real militia through the main stream media.
Think about it people…
Terrance Philpse
kat Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Missouri has a militia ,you have to have a clean record , no drugs , no boozers , faith based , etc. Not to be confused with neo groups and crazy people like that.
Dr. Conservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Peaceful revolution. Lets look at that phrase, or oxymoron closely.
peace⋅ful [pees-fuhl]
–adjective
1. characterized by peace; free from war, strife, commotion, violence, or disorder: a peaceful reign; a peaceful demonstration.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a state or time of peace.
3. peaceable; not argumentative, quarrelsome, or hostile: a peaceful disposition.
rev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion [rev-uh-loo-shuhn]
–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.
Nope. Don’t see it.
Drew Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
rose revolution
alexisrite Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
yea right take some exdesey love freikeee.
try finding someone to bury your body when they sweep u up with the rest of the deluted trash. peace love ya man.
darkstar Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
we need to stay peaceful until were pushed to the point of violence and then only to defend ourselves.
Not On My Watch Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Jon. Did you read the entire article? This wasn’t about Militia guarding our Freedoms.It was about 3 shitbag racists trying to go steal drugs to turn profits.So get your facts straight. I myself am militia and well armed.I have no desire to kill children and steal things.This NY times is a Hitpiece and the owners of the Publication are Bohemian club and Bilderberg members.They are latching on to a tragedy and more than likely these Shitbags that killed the girl and her father were CIA plants from the getgo.Normal people even militants ones don’t shed the blood of children.That’s a government thing.So before you buy into the anti militia hype get your head screwed on straight and look at history.Kids killed by Militia up until this. Kids killed by the Gov. ? Hundreds of thousands.
John Wayne Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Exactly!!
It’s such a joke they even try to tie this to militias, it’s a few dope heads terrorizing some wetbacks!
No such thing as a “peaceful revolution”.
Ltn Deathstrike on the NWO Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 12:49 am
I think the concept of militia was used out of context by mainstream media to scare population in order to disarm them more easily thats why I do believe that we should arm ourselves in order to prevent such an attack to be done on ourselves and as far as joining local militias I do believe that it is a good idea that a group of people with a common goal should align together and join forces to fight the falswe ideology being prepetrated
Kim American Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jon. Well, who says that WE are violent? MSM? They are not beyond lying you know.
Not beyond fabricating news also. Everything “they” say then come true (shortly after).
Their timing is perfect. Have you noticed? Too perfect if you ask me.
Don’t believe the news or the polls. THINK for yourself.
Do the math. The Super Freak Elite want two-thirds of the world’s population gone.
Everybody else will get to be slaves. THINKING for yourself my save you life!
illegals are killing Americans Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
This report is three years old and the numbers have gone up.
New World Man Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Pure setup Gov op mindtwisted people set loose 3 people are not a militia
Moses Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
this government will come up with any excuse to take our guns away.
but the greatest fear that this tyrannical government has is that of a well informed and well armed citizen.
so guns are not their biggest priority, its the control of information, because an ignorant but armed public is no danger, they are easily controllable sheep.
IT’S THE INFO WAR.
Geoph Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
so your the first comment worth reading.
COOL.
ME.
pistol pete Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Militia is a word, it has a definition, these people were murderers, another word which has a definition. The article said they wore uniforms like those of border agents; how does that equate to militia.
Dr. Conservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Pistol Pete. It doesn’t. But by the time DHS, the government and the media are done with any event, they have used such a broad brush tainting the evidence that the truth isn’t distinguishable from fiction anymore.
These stories are all agenda driven, just like the rash of shootings after the DHS and MIAC reports. Its horse shit.
Drew Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
police wont a revolution happen peacefully
RightofRush Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Hey Pete – do you still play basketball?
Michael Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am
It’s horrible the little girl was killed, just horrible. But the reason they were attacked was because they were ILLEGAL, which made them criminals. The news won’t tell you that one.
I bet you that the shooters tracked the family from a recent crossing of the border to that home. For the shooters horrible mistake he or she should pay dearly for killing a child.
Hypothetically a person attacking an illegal Immigrant should not attack or kill women & children, but only the illegal men, and from a distance with a sniper rifle. Understand it’s mostly illegal Mexican men that are coming across the border and guiding and escorting the women and children over vast distances of desert and heat. If the illegal men are stopped, then the women and children will most likely stay in Mexico were they belong.
It is a human law of our Nature that anyone should resist harming women and children. Something in most of us tells us to be protective of women and children no matter what their race. If a person breaks that natural law of human nature for the protection of women and children, then that person is no longer human to me. They may wear the skin of a human being, but under it they are something very Evil that should be sent to Hades were they belong.
Billy Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 2:40 am
You are soo wrong!! How dare you say it’s alright to outright murder someone just because he has broken a law.
Do you understand at all that those Mexicans are fleeing poverty? Poverty caused by the criminal govts. of Mexico and the US. You have no empathy for someone seeking a better life for himself? Your forefathers came to America for the same reason.
I hope some lawofficer is paying attention and is able to arrest you for what you just wrote here.
Shame on you!
Griz Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:32 am
I second that it’s not right to execute a person, known to be criminal or not without due process.
I also think that the defense of an illegal act for reasons of poverty is silly. I stole a Mercedes ’cause I’m stuck driving an old Ford doesn’t work either, okay?
watha Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:15 am
Would you still criminalize someone for stealing a loaf of bread if they were starving?
Viet Nam Vet Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
If it’s not right to execute a person criminal or not without due process………….
The why the fuck do the Jack boots do it all the time……………
With TASERS?
VNV?Pateriot
TheGhost Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:46 am
arresting people because their stupid? a little fascist dont you think billy?
Shadow Hawk Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Billy,
I agree with you in part. But I do believe that ALL the Illegal immigrants, no matter where they are from, should be sent back to where they come from!!
I am not racist or a bigot, But I do believe that IF they sincerely want to escape their reality, then they need to do it legally!
Unfortunately, our President is such a pansy liberal, he will allow anyone who wants to violate the law, get away with it and ignore the immigration laws that have been there since this Countries inception!
People have been waiting to come to this Country Legally for years sometimes, and some of them are in a worse situation than they have in Mexico! But they wait, because they want to become citizens of this Country, Not just to sneak in and beg whatever they can from an over taxed society of people who struggle daily. And they also don’t come in here and try and take something that they haven’t earned!
But the President is slapping them in the face, because the ones who sneak in and actually but a strain on the economy, are going to be given something that they don’t deserve, Amneisty!
So the people who have waited are to be denied for a while longer because we haven’t the industrial/ Economical base to accept them, thanks to some CRIMINALS and a pettty Tyrrant!
I don’t believe those folks should have been murdered, but IF they were Illegal, they should have been sent back!
Barry Bergrand Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Arrest someone for something they wrote? Are you some kind of dillhole or what. We are fighting for our freedom of speech and you’re saying someone should be arrested for something they say. Just go away you freakin’ TROLL!
long live the minutemen Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Hey billy!!
Shut the f**k up a**hole!!
I have empathy for people wanting a better life, but evidently you haven’t read the crime statistics posted above stupid!
Illegal aliens are murdering, raping, robbing, stealing identities, among a whole host of other crimes against Americans of ALL races. This is what many of them come here for you fool! If you support the illegal alien invasion, then you support the murder and rape of children, and you support crimes against your fellow Americans! Deport yourself NOW you traitor.
What about ms-13 gang members who are murdering black teens in California, simply because they’re black, and no other reason? HUH? That’s right idiot!
Americans of ALL races absolutely need to unite against this 3rd world foreign criminal invasion!
There is no more “unity of the brown-skinned races”. Blacks are waking up everyday, that illegal aliens hate them even more than whites.
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!
flaberghasted Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Michael….really!
I guess we should have taken out all of those Irish and Italian illegals with sniper rifles back in the day, huh? You hating, racist, bigot! When the SHTF I’ll be looking for people like you. You’ll probably be one of the looters, killing kids and raping women. Hate is hate. Educate yourself before you spread your filth to anymore fine, educational websites.
RightofRush Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Those Italians and Irish came here legally through Ellis Is. They also speak English.
BTW, don’t confuse disgust and revulsion with “hate”.
long live the minutemen Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Are you absolutely stupid? Well I guess I shouldn’t even have asked that one, cuz I know the answer. Public school did you NO favors, whatsoever!
The difference as RightofRush just noted is that our immigrant ancestors came here, assimilated, learned the language and flourished.
They weren’t offing each other in record numbers stupid. That’s the difference!
They weren’t popping out 6 or more kids that they couldn’t support.
Illegal aliens have absolutely NO respect for this country or its citizens. Read the crime stats posted above you fool, and maybe you’ll finally exercise a little common sense, if you even have a little you POS!
darkstar Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
if theyd just build a goddamn fence we could stop at least 90 percent of them from even attempting to cross illegally.im not aGAINST IMMAGRATION BUT THERES A RIGHT AND A WRONG WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
Not On My Watch Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Micheal your moral compass is so fucked up I can’t help but wonder how you found your way here.I don’t advocate snipering people for the crime of sneaking over the boarder to get away from thier native country.If you feel that strongly be constructive and build a fence.I myself don’t shoot unarmed non combatants.I don’t shoot female deer or thier young either and I think humans still deserve the same considerations I employ when hunting.
Dr. Conservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
LOL.
“I think humans still deserve the same considerations I employ when hunting”
I know what you meant but that part made me laugh.
long live the minutemen Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:25 am
What if sniping illegal alien gang members, saved an American child’s life?
How bout them apples?
Google Jamiel Shaw, then google Bologna family San Francisco, and maybe you’ll learn something about these invaders and their intentions.
BUILD THAT WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL!
marv ericson Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 8:06 am
how are you able to see with your head shoved so far up your own ass you fucking retard
Robert Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
are you drinking the flouride in the water or are just plain stupid. IF you read the article, you would’ve known that they have lived in that small town All of there lives. They’re Americans you retard.
stateofdistress Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:41 am
so they came in and shot the girl and her husband.
then left.
she gets on phone calls cops.
and then they decide lets go in and get her.
now here is the funny part.
sorry still laughing
ok
ok she gets her husbands gun.
ok if she was illegal then probably a stolen gun..
ok but she then prevents the attackers from killing her from said gun.
ok i think this is a story that the nra should be talking about and john lott jr.
illegal here illegally defends herself probably with an illegal illegally owned gun so she can continue to stay here illegally.
i had to drop the 4th illegal
June 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Hmm first comment…
June 27th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Our law enforcement at it’s finest.
If she didn’t defend herself she would be dead.
Defend yourself.
Do not wait for help, help yourself.
NOW.
ME.
Geoph Reply:
June 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
OH
first comment worth reading
ME.
showmebby Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Any one that allows criminal or legal thugs to run over them might just dissapear or die. This woman lived because she was able to defened herself. I dont like the fact that armed men are rounding up illigals , or shooting them. Thats not the answer either. Im afraid that the cops are going to start doing whatever makes them money, like any other buisnes. I also wouldnt be surprised if this was the cops.
Arm yourself, and if you have to run or explain yourself afterwards. Carry a knife. keep a loaded gun at home.
—–FREE HUMANITY—-
June 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Interesting article, not sure what it has to do with the “right wing extremism report” though. Maybe I’m missing something, but I didn’t see anything in the full article that was bad. It is possible to have bad apples in the militia, it does happen sometimes, just like with law enforcement, or the military. Now maybe there’s more to the story than we’re being told in the article, but I have no way of knowing that. Seemed to me that the article was fair in respect to not blaming it on the militia, and even pointed out the minutemen group was distancing themselves away from these criminals.
Shadow Hawk Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:05 am
The reason it has to do with the “Rightwing Extremism report”, Is because they will use this to say, “See we told you”! And then it will give the Anti-Gunners some more fuel to Come and grab our firearms. Thereby Abolishing the 2nd Amendment!
June 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Sounds like a pro gun article to me! If she didn’t have that handgun handy, the madman with his gun would have killed her to! As for psychos with guns, bad attitudes and power trips and hell bent on killing innocent people… stop it… the police and government hate the competition!
June 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
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June 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Well lets see……….
Did his involvement with a drug cartel go bad?
Did he just piss off the wrong person?
Did he owe someone money and they collected?
Was this a hit by the guvmint to make militias look bad?
And to make news to demonize true Patriots?
Many different scenarios possible.
Not enough info.
What about the Mexicans who have been terrorizing AZ?
Something stinks to high Hell here!
VNV/Patriot
Griz Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:37 am
You’re probably right. It all seems to unsure to be diagnosed yet. But, still, the woman survived to identify her attackers. That seems off, gun or no gun. It may bear watching yet.
Shadow Hawk Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Are the Drug Cartels Not Mexican?
Shadow Hawk Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Even if they let the people go, they are still terrorizing Arizona by abducting people! That statement wasn’t racist, it was factual! Maybe he should have said, The Mexican Drug Cartels that are Terrorizing Arizona, But that in itself isn’t a racist statement, Just a poor choice of words!
swordsman2000 Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Very astute observations Mr. VNV……Very astute
swordsman2000 Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Hmmmm…..Minutemen Patriots rob probable drug runners of their cash to help fund the defense of our borders ?….Why not….Look at the price of ammo these days…Guys gotta practice ya know
Said Patriots are sadistic enough to kill unarmmed man and little girl–But–run from woman with handgun….”Cowards” yes…”Patriots” no ….Lets assume this group has overzealous and hateful members in its group, they’re heartless enough to kill a little girl but not heartless or radical enough to kill an armed woman
So—Said “Patriots” doing what they see as right; set out to rob drung runners, end up killing UNARMED daddy and little girl, are hit with the sudden shock of the inhumanity of what they have done and flee from angry mommy with gun…..That scenario is flimsy enough for an episode of Law and Order
ahh but truth is stranger than fiction
In the words of Number 5…”Need More Input”
Barry Bergrand Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
You seem to have a race issue. I see you calling people racist on quite a few posts. If that is all you are here for, please take your blather some place else.
Kim American Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
You are correct. Remember WE are only being told what “they” want us to know.
Manning is calling for the Big Owe’s resignation. ck. out Manning Report atlah.org
Robert Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Hey, no black helicopters involved in this story buddy. Besides, you obviously can’t read or you would’ve read the article in it’s full content. Conspiracy theories that are off in left field don’t help our cause against the NWO!
June 28th, 2009 at 2:50 am
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! LONG LIVE INFOWARS!!!! ALL HAIL FREEDOM!
June 28th, 2009 at 3:01 am
http://www.americasrepublicmilitia.net
What the hell? The Mexicans lie all of the time they are the victims of what?
They are in our country illegal and they get free healthcare and welfare?
This is a phony and sounds like drug violence maybe her husband owed some cash to the wrong
Mexican and lied to keep the cartel off of her?
The border should be secured! We pay taxes to make this happen and they spend our money on welfare?
If any are patrolling the border I mean militia then stop now!
jon Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:16 am
wow… i cant believe you are justifying the murder of your fellow human being!! u are not a freedom fighter.
Captain Trips Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 7:11 am
We really have no idea what truly happened. It could be just another government operation used in order to frame the militiamen and make them look like criminals. We have proof positive that hundreds of our politicians have committed felonious crimes, some of them crimes against humanity yet they walk around carefree every damn day. There is no justice in the United States anymore, we life in one of the most corrupt societies in the world. I agree that justifying murder is wrong but the comment above didn’t attempt to justify murder.
RightofRush Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I gather that you don’t approve of a really effective border control, i. e., mine fields and machine gun towers.
long live the minutemen Reply:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am
No, it’s YOU and liberals like you, who support the murder of American citizens including children.
THAT’S RIGHT FOOL! If you support the illegal alien invasion, and fight against securing our border, then YOU sir support the murder, rape, robbery, and identity theft of your fellow Americans, and YOU sir are a TRAITOR!
Deport yourself now, or just kill yourself!
June 28th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Citizens have no other choice but to defend our borders and the country and “take care of business”. “Our” corrupt government has abandoned us and lied to us. Screw the morons calling patriotic Americans “right wing extremists”, they are merely using this silly “politically correct” catch phrase to slander good people now just as they used to demonize “right wing survivalists”. “Homeland Security” aka “The Department of Homeland Paranoia” (copyright 2005), you are dirty, unpatriotic bastards!
June 28th, 2009 at 4:46 am
It would be interesting to know where these three alleged scumbags have been receiving funds from. You can’t buy equipment, support yourselves and walk around in the desert without some sort of income. This is a perfect setup to start beating the drums for weapon confiscation. I believe that this should be very carefully investigated before reaching conclusions about who the real perpetrators possibly are besides the trigger pullers.
June 28th, 2009 at 6:17 am
While I do not agree with murdering people, I have to wonder, The article said that the Sherriff Confirmed that the husband and wife had been involved in Drug deals etc.
If that is the case, then why is the woman not up on charges of owning a firearm right now?
Something isn’t right with this article, or the situation that has been described!
But like I stated, I don’t agree with Murder, but I do think someone needs to patrol our borders better, obviously the law enforcement agencies that are “supposed” to do this are unable or unwilling to deal with law breakers of that nature! So whether it be a citizen Militia, or whatever, it needs done!
Viet nam Vet Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Shadow Hawk………….
She is involved in drugs yes…………….
She has a probable Illegal to own weapon……….
She will not be charged with anything……………………..
What ya want to VIOLATE this Illegals rights?
The Sheriff will more than likely give here county funds………..
To buy fucking AMMO!
VNV/Patriot
Shadow Hawk Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
You know what worries me most about that statement?, Is that it is probably true!
Robert Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pm
You have what’s similar to “selective listening” in that you only read what you want to read. Apparently, the Husband was, according to the Sheriff, “previously involved” with drugs. With that being said, the Sheriff wasn’t doing his job. If the husband was involved in drugs ( purchase, trade, sell, etc) why didn’t that guy get a warrant and arrest him?! Did he have some connection to the victim?! ( In case you don’t get it: I’m being sarcastic with the last sentence.)
Shadow Hawk Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Robert, I wasn’t being selective, I was trying to fathom, what the people who were Alledgedly attacked, were doing with firearms, if they had been Known to be involved with Drug Trafficking, And obviously charged at one time or the other, Then why as you so eloquently put it, the sheriff hadn’t had them in jail in the first place. IE, doing his job!
Basically, I was wondering the same thing you were! I just didn’t phrase it all out!
June 28th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Never forget that the TSA and Homeland Security were created BECAUSE 4 commercial planes crashed on 9/11. There were NO commercial planes on 9/11. It was all a lie…like many before and after 9/11. DHS must have all power revoked once the world understands they were complicit in the coverup of 9/11. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. 9/11 was a staged, fabricated, conspired, colluded lie involving the US military, gvoernment, corporations, and the US military corporation owned media.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:39 am
gov ops,,,making it look like militia groups
June 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I agree with coldsteel, this seems very suspicious to me. What motivation would a militia group have in killing unarmed non-combatants, even if they are stunchly against all forms of immigration. The govt started the anti-militia movement years ago with Oklahoma City for one reason… disarm Americans for ease of conquest.
Dr. Conservative Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I agree. This was no militia action. Either drug business gone wrong or government hit to further tarnish the reputations of the militias. Possibly lazy LEO types just filling in the blanks to finish their reports or close the investigation, or people were sacrificed to further an agenda.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
I agree with you above. The timing is too convenient. Expect bigger & badder things to be blamed on the patriot movement.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
operation gladio, again.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:16 am
just because three people involved in the minutemen a rogue minutemen group ,, that gives the entire movement a black eye i dont think so
Barry Bergrand Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Maybe not, but it does give the gov. fuel to swoop and swipe with new gun legislation. Looks like good old fashioned way to take it to the people once again.
June 28th, 2009 at 10:00 am
WOW! After reading all the comments here, I think only 3 of you ACTUALLY read the article. This article is nothing more than a False Flag designed to crack down on so-called “militias”. Now follow me very closely here.
In the article it states first: “The three people arrested in the crime include the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a Washington State-based offshoot of the Minutemen movement, in which citizens roam the border looking for people crossing into the country illegally. Former members describe the group’s leader, Shawna Forde, 41, as having anti-immigrant sentiments that are extreme, at times frightening, even to people accustomed to hard-line views on border policing.”
Then in the next paragraph it states: “The authorities say that the three suspects were after money and drugs that they intended to use to finance vigilantism, and that members of the group may have been involved in at least one other home invasion, in California.”
Now stay with me here.
Back around 10 years ago, 5 armed “Bounty Hunters” showed up in Phoenix, AZ. They were looking for an individual, who had jumped bond in CA 10 years prior for failing to appear for the misdemanor offense of DWI. Around 3am, the 5 armed “Bounty Hunters”, dressed in black SWAT uniforms, complete with ninga hoods and carrying “rope” kicked the door of the residence, where the person with the 10 year old warrant was sleeping. To make a long story short, the individual shot and killed 2 of the “Bounty Hunters”, before himself and his girlfriend were shot and killed.
I have been a “professional Bounty Hunter” going on 25 years now. When myself and other true professional Bail Recovery Agents read this story, we knew it sunk to high Heaven! The liberal, left wing Press went NUTS over this story, because the truth was told that at that point in time Bounty Hunters were ALLOWED under law to kick in doors, in order to make an arrerst. The Press went CRAZY in asking “How is it that non-law enforcement individuals HAVE MORE POWER OF ARREST than law enforcement?” People around the country were OUTRAGED and flooded their elected officials to do something about this. Within 6 months, just about every state in the union enacted some sort of law, to regulate and license the Profession. Four states went as far as to OUTLAW the Profession. Here in Texas, I can no longer “kick in” a door, to make an arrest. I must now ASK TO BE “INVITED” INTO THE RESIDENCE.
But 3 weeks later THE TRUTH came out about the incident. The 5 so-called “Bounty Hunters” were NOT Recovery Agents. The residence they went to was a well known meth lab. They told law enforcement they were “Bounty Hunters” as a cover story. The incident was nothing more than a drug rip-off.
Now go back to the top of my posting and re-read what was stated in the article. This WAS NOT a “militia”. This was a drug rip-off, plain and simple. But the New York Times will NOT let FACTS get in the way of their liberal agenda.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Kim American Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Thank You Steve. Yeah. Anyone who believes one word that comes out of the mouths of the MSM (at this time) is brain dead. Is stories being fabricated? Yeah. How far would “they” go?
Could people in up dead? Big Money & Power is involved. I think, this bunch will stop at nothing!
ck. out Manning he is calling for the Big Owe’s resignation at atlah.org .
Nothing that the Usurper has done is valid. Need to throw them all out!
June 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Shadow Hawk…………
what you said here, the final sentence in your above post sums it all up………..
But the New York Times will NOT let FACTS get in the way of their liberal agenda.
However………………..
“IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN”!
VNV/Patriot
June 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The government did this and is now blaming it on some “extremists” so they can justify taking the guns from the people and justify rounding up “extremists” for the camps.
June 28th, 2009 at 10:37 am
“I had to take an oath, and part of the oath was that I couldn’t eat Mexican food,” he said. “That’s when red flags went up all over for me. That seemed like prejudice.”
( Totally insane quote. )
June 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Anyone who thinks that you can remain peaceful while your oppressor uses violence is deluded and has drunk too much floride tainted water. Only focused force can take away the power that is being abused by criminals to the world. Only power focused on the targets can eliminate the threat of outright genocide. Anyone who thinks that peaceful will work is being idealistic but not being realistic. Peaceful works when the system supports such process. What we have to understand is that system that once supported peaceful is long gone. The corrupt judicial system, the corrupt law enforcement, the corrupt local, state and federal politicians the corrupt military, the corrupt science community in bed with the NWO…..Only force can stop the abuse of power that the NWO enthusiasts collectively spew forth each and every day. Not until they see themselves being killed by the angry mob will they feel the need for real change. Anything until that day is just idealist jargon that will do nothing but allow the guilty traitors that much more time to impliment their end game where everyone they choose will be rounded up and sent to a FEMA camp where you will inprocessed for whatever reason, and then killed by guillotine and your body burned in creamation ovens. That is what peaceful will get you so either wake up to the reality that only well intentioned POWER can stop these mad men. Only power used against the enemy will get him to reconsider, renegotiate or redefine his goals and intentions. Without power they will do whatever they please and laugh at you for being so stupid and idealistic. Wake up before its too late to realize that what is coming will require courage of conviction and courage of action. Without it we are doomed to slavery or for most of us, outright death and creamation in an oven.
Spirit of Scalping Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Well said my friend
June 28th, 2009 at 11:01 am
this fence will be taken down! take down the walls you build Americans! the fence is not a act of freedom but enslavement free peoples of the world have no walls . don’t get caught up takeing others freedoms away. you have no right to this land if you are part of a corporation and signed the line to the Fed . because the Fed is illegal the only free peoples are the people that have not signed there freedom away to the Fed … so fuck off you Racist Alex followers .. go dance to yr rock music or jacko music the NWO controls your life and Alex is part of it as well he will take your mind to hell .dance to your country music and end up in the hell as a parting gift
Spirit of Scalping Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Alex is not RACIST he is a true PATRIOT
June 28th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Thanks Steve in Texas for shedding some brighter light on what this probably was. I can see this as one drug gang robbing another. The govt didn’t have to spend a dime here other than write the script for the lapdog media.
Steve in Texas Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hill …. My pleasure. This whole thing stinks to high Heaven!
June 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
The new militia should be called Homieland Security Force.
June 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
This is clearly tragedy being exploited and manipulated for a liberal agenda. But who funded it, who supplied the information as to the location. Why would these people believe that the occupants of the home were involved in drugs. Because there is an unseen inside informant passing them information for a cut of the action. They didnt drive from Washington State and gather intell. Renegade militia=criminal. My guess is these murders had an operator. May be DEA, a cop, boarder Patrol. This really sucks.
June 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
how do you “hype” murder? murder is murder no matter how or by who
June 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
ooops! Mis typed it………. 1836
June 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Don’t know about Homieland Security… but you do have a point. We should recoin a term meaning Militia and play the word games the globalists play… Maybe Citizen Force Activist or something of the like.
Spirit of Scalping Reply:
June 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I love it
June 28th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
How about callin it TRS?
Tyrant Removal Service!
Or even PPF?
Patriots Protection Force!
Or even KC?
Keepers of the Constitution!
VNV/Patriot
June 28th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
we just aint gonna take it anymore
June 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Boy somone must be tryin to grow some hay cause I smell more horseshit. I wouldn’t be suprised in the least to find out that this was either a.) local law enforcement that has been co-opted against the growing militia fervor b.) federal law enforcement conducting a co-intel op to sway public oppinion against the continuing minute-man border campaign, thereby bolstering strength to the MAIC report profiling c.) Mexican police/ military acting in concert with local/ federal asswipes to accomplish any of the aforementioned end goals. Anymore I hear this sort of thing and I immediately start sniffing around to see if I smell fish cause everything has an angle or Im standing to close to Hillary’s crotch and I know it ain’t the later. This smells like the same build up of bullshit that was pumped up before the 1995 OKC bombings done to sway oppinion against the then rising militia sentiment.
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June 28th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Holy shit, someone actually moved! To bad it was against the wrong people / group. Go after the traitors that are selling us out to foreign banks, not the guys slipping across the border trying to make a better life for themselves.
If we abolished taxes, illegals and American workers would be on the same plain, job wise, because the only reason people employee illegals over natural american’s is they have to pay taxes, and insurance, etc on their American workers.
If we got rid of the taxes, we’d have our jobs back. Simple as that.
There is no reason for murdering innocents, when there are SO MANY TRAITORS.
June 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Madman,
Just finished watching………….
“The Patriot” Again.
Yes I see how the American people will be pushed just like in the Movie…………….
Then they will explode from their Slumber!
A Patriot is a militiaman who readies himself everyday in “QUIET FURY”!
VNV/Patriot
Kenneth DeWit Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Hey my Brother! What the fuck’s up? Glad to see another Nam Vet Brother on here write back if you want . I was with the HERD in 1969 as a Pointman with Cco 3/503 November plt.
June 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
To those who wish to know…………
this is the Militia Oath………..
“I, ___________________, promise to defend and observe the Constitutional liberties embodied in the Bill of Rights for all American citizens by example, persuasion, and force of arms if necessary. To that end, I intend to arm myself, I voluntarily join the Free Militia, and I agree to obey its commanders — to the extent that my conscience allows — for the duration of my service in the Militia and I pledge never to willfully betray the Militia’s principles, members, or tactics.”
VNV/Patriot
Kenneth DeWit Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Straight up Bullshit put on by the very ones that does NOT want a Militia or any other American Based Group to EXIST! GOOD People would NOT DO THIS to INNOCENT People They MIGHT do this if the Goverment comes a lookin for GUNS!
June 28th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Yep, I think we all could see this one coming ever since that damn Minuteman project. My jaw practically hit the floor when I heard our government was going to encourage and assist a bunch of regular, untrained, hate filled civilians to arm themselves against illegal immigration. Looks like another case of the government created a monster and promptly condemning it. These murderers did exactly what they were supposed to do. Another problem, reaction scenario.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Now, if we could just get all those thousands of “illegal” little brown folks
to FIGHT against the NWO on the PATRIOTS’ side…
Hmmmmm, freedom is as freedom does, eh?
June 29th, 2009 at 2:30 am
I live in Tucson pretty close to where this took place, and heard the 911 call and what happened on a local news I don”t think they were even illegals, and the people who did this were tweekers who thought there was dope in the house and tried to do home invasion I’m pretty sure this was just a normal family the fuckers hit the wrong house. They were washed out Minute men from what I have heard but The Border Militias are most likely do not have strong ties with these shitheads. To some of people who have been so hateful to the victims of this crime you are no better than the Tyrants.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Steve in Texas is probably right when i here a local story it tends to contradict with national media, proving to me that there is always an agenda.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Listen,
The execution of a 10 year old child can never be hyped up. Especially by people claiming to be Federal Agents. This story has not been hyped enough!!!
June 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24YubXmBfd8
June 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
There is not a single thing published in the NYT that can be construed as honest, truthful or not for leftist advantage. Their dishonesty is equal to the dishonesty of the people they support in Washington, Wall St and Hollywood. In other words the NYT is a leftist scumbag,propaganda, yellow rag.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I don’t belive for one second it was a rogue “anti immigration” militia. There is another story.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
It’s funny that the Mexicans are coordinated, but they’re not called rogue militia.
They even call themselves that, only the letter “i” is hyphenated.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Perhaps I’m too naive, but I don’t see these three people as part any REAL militia. I see them claiming that as a cover up for them to commit crimes.
Secondly, if our Government were truly interested in the welfare of this country, they would be sealing up the borders, sending illegal immigrants back to where they belong and then there would be NO need for groups like the “Minutemen” patrolling our borders. The illegal aliens are taking our jobs, bankrupting states though their welfare fraud and abuse, and costing this country BILLIONS of dollars every year. WE can’t keep allowing this to continue.
If one feeds a raccoon, it comes back for more. When one stops, that animal starts tearing things up. (Think about the parallel).
July 1st, 2009 at 3:58 pm
88 – 90% of the US population disagrees with the NYT
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
The border will never be sealed up . Face it ppl !
BUT I would like to see a concrete wall built from one end to the next armed with guards ANYONE crosses it shoot on site.. that will help control it !
As for the militia all I can say is SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL MILITIA you will need em once martial law is declared !!!!!!!
The state guard is NOT and I repeat NOT the militia …..
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 am
What is the militia? The term “militia” consists of two parts: the organized militia and the unorganized militia. According to the organic Maine Constitution and backed by the United States Code, the organized militia is the standing military force in the state (the “State Guard”) while the unorganized militia (which is commonly called the militia) consists of all other males between the ages of 17 and 45 (or 65 if they have prior military service). The militia was established for the purpose of defending the state (a sovereign nation) and the United States of America (a union of nations) from all enemies “foreign and domestic” based upon principles of community self defense established hundreds of years before the nation was formed. However, while the organized militia was tasked with the defenses of the states, our forefathers, having just fought their own government, did not place their entire trust in the government or a standing army to protect them but reserved the right and the means to protect themselves – thus the unorganized militia. The militia was and is a defensive body set up so that its members can take care of normal peace by internal lawless elements, or government usurpation of the rights and power of the people guaranteed by the Constitution, there is a group of people that owe their allegiance to no one except God and their fellow Americans who desire to remain free.
The mission and purpose of the militia have not changed. What has changed is the status of the organized militia. The “State Guard” with the duty and obligation of protecting the state is now under federal jurisdiction (the “National Guard”) thereby obligating it only to the federal government making the unorganized militia the only constitutional force available for the defense of the state.
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
Anger is a great force. If you control it, it can be transmuted into a power which can move the whole world.
Militia is a 3rd Amendment right. Anyone who opposes this is a traitor and enemy of the United States of America.
Individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring. Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
The national government is using events like this one to prepare for civil war. Anyone who thinks the US is NOT headed for civil war, is a fool. This should be interesting.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page