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NIU Shooting ‘Oddities’
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Lori Price
Citizens For Legitimate Government
February 16, 2008
NIU shooter joined US Army in September 2001 –Kazmierczak later discharged from Army for ”unspecified” reason 16 Feb 2008 (IL) Peter Rachowsky, a former Elk Grove Village resident, said around their junior year of high school, his [former friend] Steve Kazmierczak began exploring Satanism and white-power movements, leading Kazmierczak’s parents to take him to specialists who put him on drugs… After graduating from high school in 1998, Kazmierczak left Elk Grove Village to get treatment for his problems, Rachowsky recalled. Kazmierczak eventually went into the Army in September 2001. But he was discharged in February 2002 for an ”unspecified” reason, an Army spokesman said. [See: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities' by Lori Price.
'TGSCOM Inc. also operates the Web site used by Seung-Hui [Cho] to purchase a firearm used in the Virginia Tech shootings last April.’ Company: Gunman, Virginia Tech shooter used same Web dealer [Why not? They had the same handlers.] 16 Feb 2008 A firearms dealer in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Friday confirmed a bizarre link between the graduate student accused of killing five people at Northern Illinois University and the gunman in last year’s deadly shootings at Virginia Tech. A Web site used to buy gun accessories by Steven Kazmierczak is owned by the same company that operates a site patronized by Seung-Hui Cho, the company said. Kazmierczak ordered two 9 mm Glock magazines and a holster for a Glock handgun from the Web site February 4, said a statement released by TGSCOM Inc. He received them February 12, two days before the NIU shootings, it said. "TGSCOM Inc. also operates the Web site used by Seung-Hui [Cho] to purchase a firearm used in the Virginia Tech shootings last April," the statement said.
Gun Dealer Sold to NIU Shooter, Va. Tech Gun 15 Feb 2008 An Internet gun dealer based in Green Bay that sold a weapon to the Virginia Tech shooter last year sold handgun accessories to the man who killed five at Northern Illinois University Thursday. Eric Thompson says that his Web site, thegunsource.com, sold two empty 9 millimeter Glock magazines and a Glock holster to Stephen Kazmierczak on February 4. Thompson’s site also sold a handgun to the person [Seung-Hui Cho] who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus last year.
Gunman kills 5 and then himself at Illinois college 15 Feb 2008 A black-clad [MKULTRA] man fired into a lecture hall packed with students at an Illinois university on Thursday, killing five people and wounding 18 before shooting himself dead, police and college officials said. [Notice we're no longer talking about FISA, the Guantanamo Bay kangaroo courts or Bush's approval of torture? Whenever the Bush regime is sitting on a new pile of embarrassing revelations, a Manchurian killer dressed in black shoots up a school, 'then kills self.' The upside for Bush: Another GOP crony gets million$ for the black hole called 'security.']
Who Was the Illinois School Shooter? 15 Feb 2008 Stephen Kazmierczak, the 27-year-old who opened fire on a crowded Northern Illinois University lecture hall, killing five and then himself Thursday, had served as a member of the NIU Academic Criminal Justice Association. Law enforcement authorities told ABC News that Kazmierczak had likely planned the assault on the school for at least five days — he had bought most of his arsenal, including a 12-gauge shotgun, .22-caliber pistol and a 9 mm pistol, at a gun store in Champaign, Saturday. Another .45-caliber Glock semi-automatic handgun that was found on the scene has also been linked to him. At approximately 3:15 p.m. Thursday, Kazmierczak — dressed in black and armed with three handguns and a shotgun — entered an introductory geology class and opened fire.
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February 17th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Get a load of his blog posts. This guy was skitzoid…and should’ve been locked up in the rubber room a long time ago. Why didn’t anyone have him commited? His writings are poetically scary. They prove that he was nutz for a long time.
http://skazmie.livejournal.com/
February 17th, 2008 at 8:26 am
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February 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Yeah! Just lock people up that you don’t understand! Give them medications!
February 17th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Oddities,
That is just the way it is. Must be for future publicity reasons. I know of an incident where the potential shooter had made a video of himself shooting his AK-47 and also had made some rather violent threats, but did them in round about ways. Approximately 60 “official” agencies were informed of this person. One place contacted other people involved and left the complainer’s name and address. The other people filed charges against the complainer while in the complaint acknowledged what was being seen. Part of the complaint demanded that immediate action be taken to stop the complainer from contacting even government officials on the matter.
Now, the charge was eventually administratively dismissed after almost 2 years and the person showing the shooting of the AK-47 is still at large. The “official” agencies? I put that in quotations because of what they did, which was NOTHING. By official, I mean official, one being the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Most gave no replies. Some said to contact other agencies. Then there the ones, like a state attorney general who wanted all the details and then hushed up after receiving it. The only person to suffer was the complainer. I hope that somewhat answers an concern you might have over this article’s shootings. Shootings make media copy. Arrests of them or even questioning beforehand do not.
Rhonda
PS: This is comment number two
February 17th, 2008 at 9:04 am
This time around I really don’t see any oddities like with Cho. This really seems to be a clear cut case while the one with Cho warants more reseach.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:02 am
CVB. You are a moron. You are pretty much the type of moron who posts on this site. The 9/11 conspiracy, Ron Paul wannabe. Thank god there aren’t too many of you in the world. You must have been molested by your father too. That would explain a lot.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:05 am
so this guy was a satanic minion who killed himself under the orders of the masonic illuminati CIA controllers? sounds far fetched…but maybe they offered him a good position in hell or something. some people are stupid enough to fall for that shit if it’s being offered by the right people. that’s how they control people, they invent shit or whatever to mislead people into doing whatever they want. mind control? how to manipulate people has got to be the first thing humans learned about themselves. what will it take to end all of this?
February 17th, 2008 at 10:17 am
nonpaul: you are probably one of these sheep who thinks only government officials should be trusted with guns? Your an idiot. We’ve got 1 billion ARMED Chinese across the Pacific and you think we should all lay down our arms because some dick with a list of prescription drugs goes bonkers?! your the MORON. Its pretty obvious that your being paid to be here also.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:41 am
alex jones is a schill. being a member on his websites and calling his show gets you compiled on a list. MOCKINGBIRD
February 17th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Brent. Go back to 3rd grade and learn how to use the word “your” before you come here and try to talk to the big boys.
And if you don’t know what I mean, go ask “your” mommy.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am
nonpaul YOU’RE a fuck head. is there a reason you are here on a messageboard full of people you obviously have nothing in common with since they are at least half awaken and you are obviously an agent or some yuppie pretty boy bitch who can’t stand the fact that maybe some of this could be true but you are afraid of being different then the rest of the drones out there.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:51 am
ron paul 4 president 2008! http://www.ronpaul2008.com http://www.ronpaulreveres.com go chek em out nonpaul & get some education and a dick then come on back for some more….
February 17th, 2008 at 10:53 am
hey tj. Is your foil tin hat too tight today. I come here to make fun of you morons who follow stupidity. Yes I am a yuppie pretty boy. Damn proud of it. I got it and you losers don’t. I play golf every day. Swim in my pool in the afternoon. And have steak every night if I want. You morons go do your grunt work for your bosses and bitch about being a loser. I got it good and your life sucks. YEA!!!! for me.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Here’s what struck me. The shooter purchased his guns in Illinois. Obviously this shooter was in possession of a valid Illinois F.O.I.D. when he made the purchases. Anyone who has ever lived in Illinois knows that the state has some of the most oppressive gun control laws in the country. It is obvious to me from this incident that strict gun control never really works. On the contrary, had students and faculty been given free access to their constitutional second amendment rights, this incident might never have happened. Under the current system, psychotic criminals have a target rich environment of unarmed helpless victims almost anywhere they go. Wake up America, demand that our constitution become the law of the land once again!
February 17th, 2008 at 10:55 am
yeh yeh yeh blah blah blah,if you had all the things you talk about then why the fuck you in here
everyday,i,m here everyday and so are you nonpaul so go spout off to someone else cause no-one gives a shit what you got to say!
February 17th, 2008 at 10:56 am
yea jim, Ron Paul for president 2008. Sorry to laugh in your face but your little bitch is done. He has 14 delegates. How can you poor losers afford to give up your beer money to him. I guess you eat Burger King for a week then.
I win…… You lose.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:56 am
zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz
February 17th, 2008 at 10:58 am
I can afford to be here every day jimmy. I don’t need to work. You are here every day because your late night shift at Wal-Mart doesn’t start till late tonight.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Nonpaul, you are a moron, your success only leads you to be apathetic towards inhuman behavior towards your fellow man, as youe well example yourself to be akin to hitler and stalin loser. You may have it all, but you only have because you sold out somehow, because those running things, also worship satan, and are DIRECTLY intent on making the whole world fall spiritualy. DOnt believe im sure, but know that when things happen in the future, youll be part of it, but you wont probably end up anywhere near, God, goodness heaven or happiness, for everything is karmic, rotating, what comes around goes around..moron.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:59 am
hey Jimmy. That post of yours in 17 was the most intelligent thing I have read by you… LOSER.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:01 am
haha that was funny man,walmart aye, actually i,m unemployed and kicking back collecting some of your mummy & daddies hard earned tax dollars:)
February 17th, 2008 at 11:02 am
jim..get a job lol or at the least some motivation..my tax dollars too lazy b****
February 17th, 2008 at 11:04 am
i will hit the pavement tommorow man i promise:)
February 17th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Now that was funny NPIWA. I have it and praise satan. You don’t have it and you are jealous as hell. I made my money using my brains, Something obviously would cause you to starve. Go back to digging those ditches.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:05 am
you dont have the money for a hospital bill dude!
February 17th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Rob In Cananda:Its true they brainwash people to do things they normally would not.They don’t even know they did them when it is over.Just research these programs and see for you self.Making uninformed assumptions is what stupid know it alls do.I think this is true so it must be mentality is usually the mark of an idiot or a government agent doing his job of disruption and instilling doubt.But unfortunately for them they are lacking proof so the doubt is non existent.But the disruption is all they got and it does little and exposes their ignorance and agenda.I am sure the informed will link you to them if you need it.I have watched video’s on this stuff and read articles but Sorry I have no links but i bet people will be happy to supply them for you.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:07 am
now why am I not surprised you an unemployed piece of shit Jimmy. Wash the window of my Benz and I’ll give you a dollar.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:09 am
hey NPIAWA, that’s what insurance is for moron. God, you ARE stupid aren’t you.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:09 am
brains? ok lets have a contest..i by choice choose not to participate in the rat race to “get” crap because ‘crap” does NOT make me happy..being around cool people..with brains and interesting conversation and debate, does..im only here cause i got sick of reading the news..nothing good anymore..just fear, and death..oh yeah and again, i think your full of smartass sarcastic crap..i see rich ass losers everday..and those that get life handed to them, or become comfortable in complacency and decadence, will one day reap what they sew..I think much of the classist rich assholes, and the ALL asshole politicians and there buttslaves have enough enemies..they actually need enemas… rather because theyre constipated badly
February 17th, 2008 at 11:10 am
nonpaul i wouldnt piss on that benz if you were on fire inside it, fuckin mercedes piece o shit car,fuckoff back to germany you nazi bastard,man we kicked your arse twice this century we just gonna have to do it again,u ignorant sack o shit!
February 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am
See only insults and sarcasm..how are you smart..oh wait thats right, your lying about your wealth..and your just acting like a typical young republican..disingenuous and false faced
February 17th, 2008 at 11:14 am
go cry to your mummy np, let her know the poor boys are picking on you again:)
February 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am
see i do know rich assholes, because i grew up in a town of them..HAHAHA and im rich HAHAHA, soon to be very popular as well because I ROCK THE FUCK OUT! BIZZAM
February 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am
NONPAUL dont you have better things to do than surf the net causing problems with people who support Ron Paul.You would last .5 seconds in Ron Paul’s presence.You make weak arguments and offer no proof to back your ignorance.And when you do link something its a friggin joke and you look an even bigger fool.You obviously get paid to be a fool and as far as your taxes go your income comes from OUR TAXES.You see you are transparent because most people research and visit sights and information related to their interesta and the search for truths they believe to be true.And most people are willing to look at thinks that make sense and are based on facts that may prove what they believe to be true is not true.But you nonpaul just run your gap like a school girl pissing in the wind.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:18 am
You’re right NPIWA. Learn what the difference between “your” and “you’re”. No wonder you are a poor moron. I play golf with Presidents, CEOs, COOs. Very intelligent people who I debate with all the time. But none of them believe in your idiot Ron Paul or 9/11 crap. They are too smart for that. And I like my crap. 3 cars, a 6700 sq. ft home in a gated community. My 3 cars are worth more than you would make in 4 years of work. So keep those dreams alive of Ron Paul.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:20 am
why the gated community np? are over 65 or just scared to live in the real world!
February 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am
*scratches beard* You know happiness is quite a relative thing. The paradigm most of us so called “wordly” westerners have been forced into keep us believing that monotary riches are the only success markers. Some people may define their sucess by being able to take it easy, swim in their own pools in their back yards, eat steak and all that. Some people, such as myself, who are able to do all that measure their own success by their family and loved ones. I could lose everything I have tomarrow, materialisticaly speaking, but as long as I have my loved ones what does it matter? I certainly couldn’t enjoy the fruits of life with out them. These comments are somewhat directed to the petty bickering between nonpaul and his nemises. I find it funny, “yuppy”, being the type of individual as superficial and vain as you are nonpaul, to see you here spending time posting futile remarks that in the end wont matter to anyone, not even yourself. Chances are you’ve exhausted much of the things and experiences that at one point made you happy. Now you resort to *laughs* bragging over some alleged material wealth, and spewing senseless hate to people who actually care about other people even like you, as well as this planets perilious future. Do what ever you have to do to get your kicks, know that when all of your materialistic gods have betrayed you and you are left suffering that you were warned, nonpaul. *laughs*
February 17th, 2008 at 11:22 am
you grew up in a town full of them huh? Did you scrub their toilets and cut their grass?
February 17th, 2008 at 11:23 am
no jimmy. It is to keep the scum of the earth out, like you.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:24 am
so you really mean by debate, forgive I just worked a 10 hour shift till 3 in the morning, my eye is infected, i cant afford insurance because corporations are greedy liars and users. ANd people like you lick boots sicofanticly walking around a room talking about poor people, sir you have no soul, and in any 2nd civil war anarchy situation, i would hope your the first to be jacked and looted by some violent gangsters who do really mean things…and.. I dont care what i spell like on a stupid debate with a hobag such as the likes of your alternate personality. Also again, im not poor..nor am i stupid..but still with money..I work because why. OH I HAVE A SOUL! you have..a lump of gold that you jerk it with..must hurt
February 17th, 2008 at 11:26 am
as far as the 911 crap…*laughs* I find it appropriate that you cant stomache the very scientific facts that prove 911 was a result of controlled demolitions. The laws of science that day decided to bend and the fires from the planes brought down the buildings….riiiiiiight. It gets so old dealing with you types nonpaul. Really.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Non Paul: I am calling BS on your claim of being rich. I dont think you have everything you say you do. Maybe your boss has the pool, steak, Benz, you know one of the head-honchos at, maybe Faux, CNN, etc. I am convinced you ARE PAID to ATTEMPT to ridicule Ron Paul and his supporters.
NON PAUL IS A PAID TO SPEW PROPAGANDA!!
NON PAUL IS A PAID TO SPEW PROPAGANDA!!
NON PAUL IS A PAID TO SPEW PROPAGANDA!!
NON PAUL IS A PAID TO SPEW PROPAGANDA!!
February 17th, 2008 at 11:27 am
and ps you may actually be smart as you saw through the rich thing, at least i concede when im wrong..unfortunately you never could. Oh wait dont say, because your never wrong, and its why your rich..well your not right for putting other down for one, nor holding others down for two, nor lying cheating swindling and slutting yourself either for money, let me recommend you to a video response, you could relate to the lyrics, he personifies you i think , go youtube search SWANS HOLY MONEY, and fuck you inciter, get off the comments this isnt a goddamn forum
February 17th, 2008 at 11:28 am
its amazing what an asshole will say just to get attention
February 17th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Off to the course losers. Go back to kissing Alex’s ass. I’ll think of you as I am on the back nine. And Sean, for you, I will be playing with one of my sons. Having my money makes it great because I can spend as much time as I want with my family.
So FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 17th, 2008 at 11:33 am
So nonronpaul believes building seven one block away built to withstand earth quacks fell from the vibration of bldg 1 and 2 hours later?He believes osama binladen who has been dead for years.Butto even gives the name of the sheik who killed him.Yes a guy on dialysis in a cave with a cell phone stood NORAD down.He was the one cheney was giving orders for right nonpaul?Have you heard any orders to the contrary?isn’t that what cheney said to the soldier nonpaul?nonpaul thinks a plane hitting the pentagon would not take out the light poles lol.nonpaul thinks a Boeing can fly 20 feet above the ground with out touching it.nonpaul thinks a guy who can not fly let alone land a Cessna can make a maneuver circling the pentagon and bulls eyes the reinforced built recently section of the pentagon. nonpaul believes the plane folded like a jacknife and all went right in that little hole a Cessna would barely fit in.nonpaul does not wonder why the engines did not make holes in the wall.nonpaul thinks the windows on either side of the hole would not have been broken because he thinks they were designed to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing. isn’t that right nonpaul?But then he is a great debater isn’t he?In fact he is a master debater.Thank god he isn’t a fisherman too.He may start making the claim of being a masterbaiter.Now this we could believe.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:34 am
of course NPINR, i saw that the first post, hes another shill for a slut of money and politics. THat attitude signifies hes a rabbel rouser, a moronic twit who starts wars because of a foolish immature mindset never developed properly because he spent too much time thinking life was a race to be like daddy or some rich guy who drove him there. like ive said..ive met them..
oh and im not that poor seeing as I brought myself on a european on my own work money mowing lawns at age 15. that developed in a me a certain ethic towards hard working people who do what they must, and a hatred for prissy pricks who smart off to me and others i dont know but care about more than you.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:36 am
by fore, i think he means foreskin..??maybe? if so what a pervoid
February 17th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Dear god nonpaul, you actually produced a spawn that you like to play with? Could you define what type of activities you engage in? I know that alot of the new world order elitist have a taste for young boy flesh and since your “in” with all of the up and ups I’m sure you perhaps join them on occasion. You and your spawn plaything? Please, before you give birth to any more parasites or engage in any more hedonist boy orgies, just go. Granted, you’ve provided an amusing distraction. But thats all you are in the end, maggot, an amusing distraction. Would you perhaps give me your number so we can have a real conversation?
February 17th, 2008 at 11:45 am
See how the weak run when it starts to get tuff?Wonder when he will change his name like they usually do.He has kept the same name for a while now.Longer than usual.When they don’t show up and another takes their place its probably the same people.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
The second I heard this news I turned to my friend and said I bet this lunitic has a military background and is on all kinds of mind altering drugs from his Dr. These things are so predictable any more. Just like the article said, any time the Neo-cons have a world of shit comming down on them there seems to be a shooting. I just find it funny that this happened just days after a bill was introduced into the Ill. state legistlation that controls ammo.
AMMUNITION BAN BILLS ON THE MOVE IN ILLINOIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY
A pair of ammunition ban bills are up for hearing in the House Executive Committee this week. If enacted, either of these bills would effectively ban the purchase of ammunition in Illinois. The bills in question are HB 4269 sponsored by Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago), and HB 4349 sponsored by Rep. Naomi Jakobsson (D-Champaign) .
Here is what passage of either of these bills would mean to you:
1. Ammunition manufacturers would be required to imprint a secret code on cartridge casings so that the purchaser of the ammunition could be identified.
2. When you purchase ammunition, that secret code would be registered to your name.
3. All your ammunition purchases would be registered with the Illinois State Police.
4. You would be responsible for all eternity for ammunition registered to you.
5. It would be in your best interest to destroy all expended ammunition casings because an unaccounted for empty casing could be used to frame you for a crime you did not commit.
6. You would have to surrender all unregistered ammunition you now own to the Illinois State Police.
7. Reloading would be banned.
8. The Illinois Department of Revenue would be authorized to place a tax on ammunition and raise that tax any time for any reason.
9. Taxes and increased manufacturing costs would raise the price of a box of .45 ammo to $200 or more.
10. Gun ownership would become too costly for most people.
WHAT YOU MUST DO TO HELP SAVE YOUR GUN RIGHTS:
1. Call Rep. Monique Davis’ office at (217) 782-0010 and POLITELY tell the person that answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and you would oppose Rep. Davis’ attempt to ban ammunition.
2. Call Rep. Naomi Jakobsson’s offce at (217) 558-1009 and POLITELY tell the person that answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and you would oppose Rep. Jakobsson’s attempt to ban ammunition.
3. Call each of the following members of the House Executive Committee and POLITELY tell whoever answers the phone that you OPPOSE HB4269 and HB4349 and that you would like them to vote against those bills in the Executive Committee. Remember, you represent the gun owners of this state, so BE POLITE:
Rep. Dan Burke (D-Chicago) (217) 782-1117
Rep Joseph Lyons (D-Chicago) (217) 782-8400
Rep. Dan Brady (R-Bloomington) (217) 782-1118
Rep. Eddie Acevedo (D-Chicago) (217) 782-2855
Rep. Maria Antonia Berrios (D-Chicago) (217) 558-1032
Rep. Bob Biggins (R-Elmhurst) (217) 782-6578
Rep Michael Bradley (D-Chicago) (217) 782-8117
Rep. Brent Hassert (R-Romeoville) (217) 782-4179
Rep. Jim Meyer (R-Naperville) (217) 782-8028
Rep. Robert Molaro (D-Chicago) (217) 782-5280
Rep. Bob Rita (D-Crestwood) (217) 558-1000
Rep. Angelo Saviano (R-River Grove) (217) 782-3374
Rep. Arthur Turner (D-Chicago) (217) 782-8116
4. Please pass this alert along to all your gun-owning friends and ask them to make calls as well.
5. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards to which you may belong.
THEY CAN’T GET THE GUNS SO THEY GO AFTER THE AMMUNITION
No direct un-apportioned tax confirmed by the US Supreme Court rulings in CHAS. C. STEWARD MACH. CO. v. DAVIS, 301 U.S. 548, 581-582(1937)
America’s Founding Fathers said, “_Rebellion to Tyrants
is Obedience to God”
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is , more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime ; he is a good citizen driven to despair.–H. L Mencken
A Citizens Militia is supposed to be a check against the power of the government and a reminder that the people still control this country.
It is NOT a division of the Federal military, police or national guard.
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February 17th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
TO “TJ” #11 i couldn’t have said it better. right on bro!!!!! it seems like these faggots have nothing better to do.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Attention, America; Bush finished in the TOP TEN of best Presidents EVER in a Harris poll. Crack WAS handed out freely at the polling stations.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
OMG, why didn’t you include the LINK to my article???
http://www.legitgov.org/niu_shooting_oddities.html
Unbelievable!!!
Lori R. Price
Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government
http://www.legitgov.org/
“Hi, mom, this is Mark Bingham… you believe me, don’t you?” Mark Bingham – Sept. 11, 2001
http://www.legitgov.org/9_1_1_oddities.html
February 17th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
So I should be delighted to be shot up by a TRUE patriot? Puh-leeze. Dick Cheney shot a guy and he was just drunk (albeit a PATRIOTIC drunk)
February 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Oops – you included it, under my name.
My apologies and thanks.
Lori Price
CLG
February 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
It is also interesting to note that the hard drive was missing in his laptop! I find that very strange.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Woah! Most, if not all of you, are WAY off topic!!! You’re letting nonpaul win by dignifying her trollish remarks with replies!!! In doing so, you are giving her exactly what she wants; a pissing contest with her!!! IGNORE HER!!!
Anyway, I also suspected there was a questionable military background. It was also a no brainer that pharmaceutical drugs were involved. Not saying this equals “manchurian candidate”, but it does make one wonder…
February 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Listen to spiritsoup he’s right that’s how they get our guns. Through our ammunition.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Sorry, i have a tendency to go Hannible Lecture on yuppies. They’re so……rude! How diabolical though, stoping our right to bare arms by restricting ammo.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
To Spiritsoup, It is refreshing to see a display of intelligence on these forums. Thank you very much for posting this information for people in Illinois. I think that it is very sad that the entire state of Illinois is ALLOWED (by the state population) to be completely controlled by a few liberals in that filthy garbage hole called Chicago.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
CIA. MKULTRA. You are all sheeple being led to slaughter. This was designed to strip you of your constitutional right to bear arms. If this one won’t work they will try another one. BUY MORE GUNS AND MAKE YOUR OWN AMMO.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Everytime I hear about one of these “incidents”, I always think, there goes another “black ops” deal–and it always turns out to be correct. None of these things ever happens randomly.
They troll mental facilities and re-hab centers for fodder for their mind control operations.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
u ppl are idiots
February 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
ever think that some ppl are just simply crazy?
February 17th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Tom, they’re not idiots. But you do make a good point. Some people are just looney-tunes.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
even if u spell it out for people they still dont get it what else can wedo?
February 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Right on Daniel! Oh, and Tom…You’re squirrel doo-doo. How does that feel, jackass. I know, I know…I don’t like being called names either…pinhead! ( No offence to actual pinheads with that deformity ).
The New World Order can floss with my butt hair right after they plug the holes I’m going to put in them if they try to take my guns.
Have a great day everyone….
February 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
How come the shooters hard drive is missing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
February 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Another oddity was that the shooter entered through an emergency exit door back of the stage. Normally these doors are locked on the outside and will sound a piercing alarm if opened from the inside. Was the door disabled and propped open ahead of time?
February 17th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
The FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, and FEMA all got involved. This federal involvement, very quickly on the scene, is common to most of these random-rage mass-slaying stories.
Another commonality is that these shooters are almost ALWAYS under some kind of psychiatric care or will have been mentally ‘treated’ at some point. Despite this, their shrinks are NEVER interviewed, even though they are best placed to provide a plausible motive, which ALWAYS remains a mystery in any case. In cases where the shooter is captured alive, even they can’t explain what happened:
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Wayne Lo, 18, Simon’s Rock College, Great Barrington, Massachusetts, 12-16-92; 2 dead, 4 wounded
– “At the time I thought I did the right thing,” he said recently. “But as I look back at it over time, more and more it doesn’t make sense to me. And more and more I ask myself, Why? Why did I do it? I mean, Why?”
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Barry Loukaitus, 14, Moses Lake, WA, Frontier Jr H.S., 2-2-96, 3 dead, 1 wounded
“There are things in life we’re never going to understand, and this case is one of those…”–His Attorney
“Barry never articulated a reason why he did what he did.” –John Knodel, Grant County prosecutor who handled the case.
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Jillian Robbins, 19, Penn State U, State College, PA, 9-17-96, 1 dead, 1 wounded
–when she was arrested, she answered repeatedly, “I don’t know.” when asked why she brought school violence back to PSU.
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Luke Woodham, 16, and Grant Boyette, 19, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 10-1-97 2 dead, 7 wounded
…(I) fought with myself because I didn’t want to do any of it.”
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Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 12-1-97, 3 dead, 5 wounded
Carneal’s home room teacher reported that Carneal did not seem to recognize what he had done.”
–When ask why he did it, he said he didn’t know.
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Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, 3-24-98, 5 dead
–”Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer.” Johnson: “I really thought that no one would actually be hurt.”
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Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, 4-24-98 Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded
–”Why did he do it? Andrew doesn’t know, …saying he had no reason of kill the teacher.” “…no one…that evening could recall anything that might explain what happened. Andrew himself has no explanation.”
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Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 5-22-98, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded
–In police interview he repeated “over and over” that “I had no choice.”
Q: Why did you go to school and start shooting people?
A: I had to. I had no other choice. I couldn’t do anything else.
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Todd Cameron Smith, Taber, Alberta 4-27-99 W.R. Myers HS, 1 dead, 1 wounded
In a signed police statement, the boy later said: “I have no particular reason for shooting the boys that I did. I don’t know who any of them were.”
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T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, 5-20-99 Heritage High, 6 wounded-
–Upon handing the gun over(a teacher had convinced T.J. not to kill himself–the barrel was in his mouth)he started crying hysterically and said repeatedly “I don’t know why I did this.”
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Seth Trickey, 13, Fort Gibson, OK, 12-6-99, 4 wounded
–”He said ‘I don’t know’ when asked why he did it.”
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Charles ‘Andy’ Williams, Santana HS, March 2001, San Diego County (2 dead, 13 wounded)
Williams was interrogated by detectives for about an hour after his arrest, and while prosecutor Anton declined to detail what he said, she indicated the statements may not explain why he opened fire.
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10-9-06 Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO
A 13-year-old student walked into the east side of Memorial Middle School, shooting wth a rifle…. (boy’s attorney Chuck)Lonardo said the boy’s motives and intentions remain unclear even to him after sitting in on juvenile authorities’ interview of the boy after the shooting. “That’s just it,” Lonardo said. “We still don’t know.
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2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded
Salt Lake City police have finished their exhaustive investigation into the shooting rampage at Trolley Square, finding no real motive for 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic’s killing spree. “I think it may have died with him,” Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said in an interview Sunday with the Deseret Morning News.
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**btw, the “MK” in MK-Ultra is sought to stand for “Mind Kontrol” or, more likely, “Mind-controlled Killer”
February 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I heard today on the Alex Jones Show that Doom was designed by/for the Pentagon.
I think Alex went a little overboard on that one.
Doom was designed by id Software, at the time a small software developer in Texas. Two of the main programmers were John Carmack and John Romero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Software
It is true that the US military developed a version designed for military use in 1997 called Marine Doom. They replaced the demons with foreign soldiers and the imaginary guns with real guns.
I highly doubt id Software is a Pentagon/IBM front company, or whatever. Though all their games heavily feature occult/Nazi-references, so you never know.
February 17th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
What I think is happening (this is just an idea – i have no verification):
They’re using those flying airplane remote control drones, to send out cranial messages to a wide area of people. Potentially they could target an entire town. Only people who take psychoactive drugs would even consider listening to the messages if they involve breaking the law, such as in the case of murder.
So, if I have one of these drones, all I need to know is where a potential killer who’s doped up on psychoactives, lives, and I can fly the drone over his house to send him the message. I don’t need to worry about adverse effects on other people, because there is only one person in the house who will actually read the message. The weak one taking the drugs.
A more extreme case would be to target an area where multiple potential killers live. Who knows what kind of kill count we’d see from such an action.
Another possiblity is frequencys sent over any type of wire you have in your house, overlapping with everyday frequencys you hear or see. DSL is a good example. It uses the phone line, same as for talking, but the data transfer is on a higher frequency.
I would bet that both TVs and Computers could be sent higher frequencys that only the subconcious mind is capable of reading. You wouldn’t actually need a special device in the machine. Even a super old TV would be capable of sending subliminal messages on higher frequencys. Maybe thats why they want every one switching to high def. They want to send more potent messages. Frankly I think it’s almost time to break the TVs. I do not agree with getting rid of our little robot companions, though. Without the internet this movement would not exist.
“real life” ex. NOT saying what I heard was real. It could have all been my imagination, but I doubt it. Didn’t fit the profile of imagination. I was in Seattle half a year ago. I was REALLY high on weed and I thought that I heard something like the above possibility. I heard “sonar” beeps on diff. freq.s and my brain atuo lined some of them up. I heard all the electronic equipment in the house humming or whatever, and my 2 year old cousin’s TV specifically, that was supposed to be playing Barenstein Bears, sounded like it was playing a “war” time message. there was a siren. A male german speaking news reporter was issuing directives to whomever was listening. I think the only reason I heard it was because my 2 year old cousin was hearing it. I was high, but it was just weed, and I have not heard anything like that since.
3rd possibility. I’m special ops, and we need to have a shooting occur. I go to Cho’s (for ex) house in an army uniform, tell him to come with to the school. When we get there, we shoot him up on something that will REALLY make him crazy, give him a gun and tell him to go kill people. Sinse he’s high as a kite, he might not get as many kills as we want, so we send someone else out who is garunteed to get kills. Then when we’ve wracked up sufficient dead bodys, we wrap it up, maybe tell Cho to kill himself. Then it all gets blamed on Cho.
This is the most likely probability. But you do end up with the problem of what happens when other people see the other shooter. And also, why not set a sniper, who know one would see? That’s why I think the other two possiblities are more valid.
But, all in all, I would imagine all three, or more, of these possiblities, are being used simultaneously, to cause these people to commit murder.
I find it IMPOSSIBLE that these shooters are acting of their own accord. I think within the last two months there have been ~4 shootings or something like that. This is a huge increase in the frequency of craziness. Why is this increase only happening now? There needs to be a logical explanation, and there isn’t one. People have been on psychoactives for decades. That’s not a good reason. Having a position of authority, and telling people who are mentally weak and tripping to go do something crazy, is a far more likely scenario. Who is in position to do this? The military industrial complex.
February 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Now you got to ask your self, how dose this serve there big game plan. IS there a gun control bill in a state House or Senent up for a vote this week? Obma is the Ill, Rep. and it happen in Ill. and he is running of office… A ploy perhapes to force him to look soft on gun control? an any case
Let ’s get beyond… oh what strange and odd facts part and get to the beat them at there own game part. How can we get the mind controled druggies to kill our politiations instead of our students.
February 17th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
The thing I find interesting is that the incident took place on Thursday afternoon ( 3PM or so) but Mr. Kazmierczak name was not released until the next day (at least 12 hrs later). Usually the victims names are withheld pending notification of next of kin & so forth, but not the perpetrator,especially when they are known.
February 17th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I live in Illinois and the executive committee in one of the state houses in currently debating a bill to mark all ammo, which would make all owners of said ammo responsible for crimes committed with it. This bill is sponsored by Democrats. And yes, Obama was a Democrat in the Illinois senate before becoming a U.S. senator. (Thanks to Ron Paul Meet-up members for spreading the word about this proposed legislation!)
February 17th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I find it most fascinating and troubling that everytime there is a new law about to be passed, that supports the advancement of the NWO, etc., that a string of events comes along to justify the new agenda.
As we saw with the advent of the super computer that can store unlimited data, we must have a National ID Card and access to everyone’s genome and medical files, so we can locate the terrorists and would be criminals using bio-metrics and identify the illegal immigrants. Notice how they keep the southern border wide open to assist this line of thinking.
Now that this new high-tech equipment exists, we will see many, many more examples that prove we must allocate billions of dollars to those industires that have arrived in the nick of time.
This is so pathetic.
Very sincerely
February 17th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Hmmm, has all the earmarks of another MKULTRA op. This brings to mind a weird but interesting book I read about 10 years ago called “The Montauk Project”. Supposedly a secret underground project beneath the Montauk airbase in New York that operated in the 70’s and 80’s. Part of the book talked about kidnapping young boys, turning them into Manchurian Candidates through psycho/sexual torture and sending them into the future. However it is happening, I believe these killers are programmed, and it will continue to happen (along with the inevitable copy-cat type killers) until the
NWO finally does away with our second amendment
February 17th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
These people are patsy / fallguy for gun control.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I htink you guys are missing the point just as bad as the media are…
Teach respect for life in the abstract, and stuff like this would happen far less often.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Everyone of us should read the book “Abuse Your Illusions” and it should be required reading for our high school students. Get guns, learn to use them. If we carried weapons legally that loon would have been taken out quickly,…OR most likely…he would never have done it! Unless, of course, he really was mkultra Manchurian programed. But at least they could have FOUGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instead they were victims.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Brent Richman (from post # 8): Learn proper English grammer. Your use of the word “your” was improper, you should have used “You are” or the contraction “You’re,” instead of “Your.” Notice, the Possesive Pronoun “Your” means ownership, like “Your ideas” and not “You’re ideas” which says “You are ideas (which says you are an idea, which is meaningless).”
Brent, if a “Gun Control Wacko” curiously goes to this forum and sees this “fuzzy” use of language, it makes us all look bad. Furthermore, if you want to understand Law, and Statutes, your knowledge of grammer must be much higher than it is.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Shouldn’t we be getting Alex something to celebrate the birth of his baby? Should we not be sending him a box of cigars or something? Tell me what you think.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Man, I tried to read through these posts to see if there was anything intelligent and there SURE WASN’T!!!! Just idiots!! Most of these recent shooters are likely CIA mind control operations. They aren’t thinking with a rational mind. The CIA started this with MK Ultra way back in the 1950’s. Apparently, they have perfected the ability to cause a client to kill others and then kill himself. The American government is notorious for doing false flag terrorism (”remember the Maine?”, Pearl Harbour where they froze the bank assets of all Japanese and waited for them to attack Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin, 911 attack, anthrax attacks following 911). These shootings terrorize the American sheeple and are used as a pretext for ever increasing Homeland Gestapo controls, and for attacking our Right to keep and bear guns especially.
February 18th, 2008 at 3:05 am
America will soon be brought down. It’s in the cards boys and girls. Alex (CIA Alternative Media Agent) is preparing you for what’s coming. Just got off the phone with Bush Senior…North Korea attacks the South, China hits Taiwan, Israel hits everything Muslim. Black Pope, Knights of Malta, Rupert Murdoch..looks like the Bible is again vindicated.
February 18th, 2008 at 3:32 am
Docho,
In stead of buying Alex a box of cigars how bout we just pray that His Wife, the Baby AND Him, doesnt come down with some staff infection that is EPIDEMIC in hospitals
Going to a hospital to have a THIRD Baby and than watching TV for a few hours???
while His Wife is in labor????
What was He thinking???
and while were at it, whats up with Ron Paul being a pussy doctor???
What bussiness does a MAN have being a pussy doctor??? Seems like if a Man HAD a half a clue as to how bad woman have been damaged by male dominated birthing facilitys…He might wanna leave the pussy work to the woman folk….like it should be. Ron should be a nut sack doctor or something….with all due respect
Wierd
February 18th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Check your own grammEr man, he he…
February 18th, 2008 at 4:46 am
wow, I must comment on how you refered to Ron Paul so eloquently as a “pussy doctor.” I mean your entitled to your perspective which does seem to be a relatively educated one, but you destroy your own credibility talking like a potty mouthed teenager. Speaking of “pussy” and “nut sack” doctors lets turn on fox news and get the daily body count.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:46 am
What the hell ever Sean, im a pussy doctor too (midwife) so you can emagine that i have old rancors with pussy doctors who are Men right?
there is a birthing clinic in this town who i give a particularly hard time to….like they all got a ENDGAME in their christmas stocking….its name is willow creek….the DOCTORS refer to it as “pussy creek” they pretty much hate my guts and would have me thrown in jail….if they could….sometimes i just get all dressed up in my priestess robes and just go in there and just glare at the bitch ass nurses who administer the epedurals and vaccinations ….they fear me because i am soooo old….but look so young….that is one of the reasons i am not in prison for messing with cold detatched scientists (eugenicists) the way that i do… sorry….but i kinda am a potty mouthed teenager…thanks for the compliment…..and my credability is so fucked for so many life times….that i wouldnt know how to act if i had any
yeah,…lets turn on fox news and get the body count
*sob*….Oh My God….how many more days of this horror can my poor old broken Heart take
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! sob hoink cough sniff….OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!
February 18th, 2008 at 6:45 am
Look for the govt. to keep their cia mind controlled assets to keep doing these types of attacks, in order to disarm the public so we cant fight back when they come to kill our families When they implement martial law.
February 18th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I can’t help but long for the good old days when there would be a mass killing of people and there not be a conspiracy behind it.
. although, I think that the last non-conspiracy killing was probably before my lifetime, if not a couple hundred years ago. I pray for all the innocent people who were affected by this, and I hope that they might find out the REAL reason for the shooting.
Teenager
February 18th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
trenchcoaters o’ fame
The last decade has seen a plague of the same kind of motiveless attacks by young people. Is there a connection? It should be noted that just about none of these attacks had any kind of believable motive.
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5-26-94
Clay Shrout, 17, murdered his parents and two sisters,
He wore all black every day with combat boots and [b]black trenchcoat[/b].
2-2-96
Barry Loukaitis, 14. Frontier Jr. High School, Moses Lake, Washington. Dressed in all black, [b]trenchcoat[/b], 3 dead, 1 wounded.
11-25-96
[b]Black trenchcoat[/b] wearing Rod Ferrell, 18, and others are arrested for beating to death a Florida couple.
2-20-98
“Kentucky Occult Teen Killers” six [b]black trenchcoat[/b]- wearing young people plead guilty to killing a couple and their daughter.
4-20-99
Killings at Columbine High School planned and executed by the [b]black trenchcoat[/b]-wearing ‘Trenchcoat Mafia’
2-05-01
3 teens arrested for planned attack on their high school in Hoyt, Kansas. Each possessed a [b]black trenchcoat[/b].
October, 2001
Five teens from New Bedford, Massachusetts are arrested for planning an attack on New Bedford High School. They wore long [b]black trenchcoats[/b].
12-8-01
Four young people are arrested in Loudown County, Virginia for the stabbing/slashing death of one of their fathers. “The suspects favored all-black outfits, long [b]black (trench)coats[/b].”
10-26-02
Daniel Hawke Fears, 18, Sallisaw, Okla. (2 dead, 7 wounded) He went on a 20-mile shooting spree, apparently targeting people at random. “He… always wore a [b]black trench coat[/b].”
2-17-03
Oakton, Virginia 19-year-old Josh Cooke mowed down his parents in the basement of their home with a shotgun. Cooke wore a [b]black trench coat[/b] ….
6-29-03
Joseph Hunter Parker, 30, killed two people with a samurai sword at an Albertson’s supermarket in Irvine, California(Orange County). He was wearing a [b]black trenchcoat[/b] and green beret when he was shot to death by police minutes later.
7-7-03
Oaklyn Public School, Camden, NJ
Matthew Lovett, 18, and two boys, ages 15 and 14; wearing [b]black trenchcoats[/b], arrested after they attempted to carjack vehicle; on their way to attack school with numerous weapons.
3-16-04
Josh Magee, Malcolm High School, Malcolm, Nebraska
Arrested after pipe bombs and a rifle were found in his car outside school as he contemlated attacking: “Magee was dressed in camouflaged pants and a [b]black trench coat[/b]….”
3-21-05
Jeff Weise, 17, wearing [b]black trenchcoat[/b], shoots seven at Red Lake HS, MN.
10-19-05
Lafayette, CA Goth killer Scott Dyleski, 18. Convicted of murdering his neighbor, the wife of noted “CourtTV” commentator Daniel Horowitz. Wore a [b]black trenchcoat[/b].
11-20-05
Tacoma, WA Mall Shooter Dominick Sergio Maldonado, 20, of Tacoma, 6 wounded(1 critical)
Wearing long [b]black trenchcoat[/b] when he began his rampage.
2-1-06
[b]Black trenchcoat[/b]-wearing Jacob D. Robida, 18, New Bedford, Massachusetts gay bar slasher/shooter.
3-20-06
Kyle Huff, 28, Seattle rave slayer, 7 dead, owned a [b]black trenchcoat[/b], attacked a party of goth ravers.
5-11-06
Hans Van Themsche, 18, wearing a [b]black trenchcoat[/b], shot 3 people on an Antwerp street.
8-30-06
Alvaro Rafael Castillo, 19, Orange High School, Hillsborough NC 1 lightly wounded, suspect’s dad dead at home. Wore a [b]black trenchcoat[/b] in the attack.
9-13-06
Kimveer Gill, 25, Dawson Junior College, Montreal, Cananda 3 dead, 18 wounded. Wore a [b]black trenchcoat[/b] in the attack.
11-20-06
ex-student Sebastain Bosse, 18, Geschwister Scholl School, Emdetten, Germany (1 dead, 5 wounded) Wore a [b]black trenchcoat[/b] in the attack.
1-19-07
John “Jack” Odgren, 16, Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School, Framingham/Sudbury, Massachusetts
Stabbed a 15year old boy to death in the school bathroom. “Two juniors yesterday said the student now accused of the killing often wore a [b]trench coat[/b] to school.”
2-12-07
Sulejman Talovic, 18 SLC, Utah, Trolley Square massacre shooter. Used a shotgun to kill six and wound four more. Wore a [b]dark trenchcoat[/b] during the attack.
10-10-07
Asa Coon, 14, Success Tech HS, Cleveland, OH 1 dead, 4 wounded
A goth, he often wore [b]trenchcoat[/b] to school.
12-9-07
Matthew Murray, 18, kills 4, injures many others in two locations. Was wearing a [b]black trenchcoat[/b] at the New Life Church attack in Colorado Springs, according to some media accounts.
2-14-08
Stephen Kazmierczak, 27 Northern Illinois University, Dekalb, Ill., 6 dead
Some accounts had him wearing a [b]black trenchcoat[/b].